293: Gigi & Kendall's Vogue Cowgirl Cover + Facelifts at 35?! Inside the Ageless Arms Race

Summary

Pop Apologists: Episode 293

Gigi & Kendall's Vogue Cowgirl Cover + Facelifts at 35?! Inside the Ageless Arms Race
PodcastOne | September 10, 2025
Hosts: Lauren and Chandler

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Episode Overview

In this episode, sisters Lauren and Chandler serve their signature blend of pop culture commentary, humor, and candid sisterly banter. They dive into the recent Vogue cowgirl cover with Gigi Hadid and Kendall Jenner, the internet's "ageless arms race" around cosmetic surgery and early facelifts, new celebrity updates (including Ireland Baldwin's viral ode to Hilaria and Pamela Anderson’s “PR romance” rumors), and the cultural undertones of everything from wedding rings to hair color comebacks. Their discussion threads between serious insights and playful roasting—always rooted in love for both the celebrities and each other.

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Main Topics & Key Insights

1. Sisterly Catch-Up, Wardrobe Jealousy & Social Media Detox

• Chandler and Lauren riff on their outfits for the episode, with Lauren in a plunging neckline and Chandler embracing a more “bank” (read: conservative) look. (03:00–05:00)
  • Chandler teases Lauren's "plunging phase," while Lauren jokes about Chandler's skin sending her into an existential spiral.
  • Notable Quote:
    "I just committed to wearing more tops, you know, less tees...it looks a little bit more polished." — Chandler (04:05)
• Instagram off, business on: Lauren experiments with deleting Instagram while Chandler manages the account, underscoring the double-edged sword of social media for influencers.
  • "Congrats on having Instagram deleted." "It's been like thirty minutes, but yeah." (05:21–05:33)

2. Travel Anxiety: Long-Haul Flights & The Dread of Coach

• Chandler shares her panic about an 11-hour coach flight to Hawaii, including planning outfits and food. (05:50–11:27)
  • The sisters discuss whether to splurge on business class, the agony of coach meals, and the communal dread before travel.
  • They joke about pharmaceuticals vs. natural remedies for flight stress.
  • Notable Quote:
    “Honestly, that’s basically the worst part about that flight...the dread leading up to it—the dread is almost as bad as the experience.” — Lauren (06:51)

3. AI in Social Media: The Spooky Realness

• Chandler unveils an AI project that dubs their Instagram Reels into other languages, complete with realistic mouth movements. (11:32–13:23)
  • The sisters express simultaneous wonder and existential horror.
  • Notable Quote:
    "Our mouth moves perfectly and it’s in our voice. It’s…spooky." — Lauren (12:39)

4. Celebrity Recaps & Quick Takes

Megan Markle (14:09)

• Lauren recounts a frustrating customer experience with Markle's brand, but maintains hope for a comeback and retooling of Meghan’s image.
  • "I was really rooting for you here." — Lauren (15:33)
  • The sisters agree they remain invested in Meghan’s next moves, whatever they may be.

Ireland Baldwin's Ode to Hilaria (18:23–22:10)

• Chandler reads Ireland Baldwin’s Instagram "love letter" to her stepmom Hilaria Baldwin, softening both hosts’ previously skeptical takes.
  • Notable Quote:
    "To hold no resentment should make Ireland eligible for sainthood." — Lauren (20:49)
  • Lauren and Chandler reflect on the importance of family harmony after a tough public divorce.

Pamela Anderson & Liam Neeson: Real Romance or PR? (23:32–26:46)

• The sisters dig into rumors about Pamela Anderson and Liam Neeson's relationship: real, PR, or somewhere in-between? Lauren plays a revealing Andy Cohen clip on "Watch What Happens Live."
  • Notable Quote:
    "We can all rest easy—Pam and Liam, this was a real thing. And it could still be happening—we don’t know." — Lauren (26:11)

Clubbing with Andy Cohen, Maude Apatow, and Celebrity Run-Ins (26:54–28:42)

• A side story about attending a club with reality stars and unexpectedly meeting Maude Apatow, whom they found sweet and “normal.”

Kyle Richards & Mauricio: The Uncoupling Model (29:49–31:16)

• They reflect on Kyle Richards and Mauricio's daughter's wedding, praising the family's ability to remain united post-divorce.
  • Notable Quote:
    "We give praise to Gwyneth for conscious uncoupling, but we really need to be sitting down with Kyle Richards." — Lauren (30:55)

5. Main Pop Culture Segment: Gigi Hadid & Kendall Jenner’s Vogue Cover (34:20–42:54)

• Visuals & Setting: Lauren and Chandler gush over the American West theme, appreciating the photo shoot's aesthetic.
  • Discussion of both Gigi and Kendal's “cowgirl credentials”—Bella Hadid is called ‘the biggest cowgirl of them all’.
• Inside Friendship: The hosts dissect the interview’s lack of deep revelations but enjoy glimpses of the models’ real friendship and shared history.
• Kendall's "Problematic Relatability":
  • Lauren rolls her eyes at Kendall’s “not my cup of tea” quip about their reality show and the “simple life” rhetoric.
    • "Everyone loves to have nothing to do, like, what’s better?" — Lauren (38:46)
    • Extended riff comparing the Kardashian-Jenner family dynamic to their own, imagining the resentment if a “little sister” disdained the family meal ticket.
• Friendship Webs: Gigi’s ability to mingle with both Team Taylor and Team Kendall/Hailey, making her a “share point” in A-list friendships, is a topic of hilarity and curiosity.
  • “How does Gigi balance? I know—I really like Gigi. She just comes across as less entitled.” — Chandler (42:28)

6. Royal Watch & Micro-Trends

Kate Middleton’s Hair (43:06–45:18)

• After a brief stint as a blonde, Kate Middleton reverts to brown—immediately after public negativity.
  • The sisters find Kate’s quick pivot relatable, comparing it to their own post-salon crises.
  • Notable Quote:
    "Doesn’t that make her so relatable?" — Lauren (44:27)

Sidebars: Jewelry & Wedding Ring Culture (47:18–49:59)

• Lauren details her attempt to channel Taylor Swift by trying on an 8-carat “old mine cut” diamond ring, then discusses how Swift’s actual ring is surprisingly modest (approx. $250k).
  • “It’s a paper ring and it’s pretty spectacular and pretty special." — Lauren (49:22)
  • "Our girl is just very wholesome." — Chandler (49:26)

Extreme Cosmetic Surgery: The Turkey Height-Reduction Trend (50:02–54:54)

• The hosts react in horror at reports of young women undergoing costly surgery in Turkey to become shorter—literally removing part of their leg bones.
  • "We have lost the plot." — Chandler (51:05)
  • "It just feels like...becoming shorter is mutilation." — Lauren (54:06)
  • Spirals into existential humor about the "pride cycle" from their Mormon upbringing and societal obsessions with aesthetics.

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Deep Dive: "The Forever 35 Face"—Facelifts, Age Erasure & The Next Age of Beauty

Discussion begins: 54:56
Article referenced: "The Forever 35 Face" (The Cut)

• Facelifts Are Starting Earlier:
  • Once reserved for 60-somethings, top-tier facelifts (including “deep plane” techniques) are now common for women as young as 35–45.
  • “The idea is that you do it much younger so that…you don’t want this dramatic result.” — Lauren (56:47)
• Technical Breakdown:
  • Lauren explains the differences between traditional SMAS and the “deep plane” facelift, showering credit on skilled surgeons.
    • “[Top surgeons] are absolutely artists.” — Lauren (62:28)
• Cultural & Financial Impacts:
  • Discussion on the financial exclusivity but prediction that, like nose jobs, these surgeries will become mainstream and widely accessible within a decade.
  • Chandler notes: "The procedure costs are generally like…one hundred K to start." (60:39)
• Celebrity & Social Influence:
  • They speculate on which celebs have benefited and reflect on the subtle social pressure in certain elite parenting circles.
• Personal Reflections:
  • Both hosts emphasize that “natural warmth” can be as beautiful as a surgical refresh, championing female choice and self-confidence.
  • Notable Quote:
    “It’s not about looking thirty-five forever—it’s about feeling confident wherever you are.” — Lauren (67:17)
  • Candid admission: “We’re for women winning, whatever that means to you.” — Chandler (67:39)

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Quick Hits: Trends & Shallow News

• Blondes, Side Parts, and the Return of (Some) Y2K Trends
  • Rejoicing at Morgan Stewart going blonde again; the side part’s comeback. (67:47–69:11)
  • Chandler outs herself for “lower-maintenance” brunette hair and Lauren shares shopping tales.
  • Notable Quote:
    "Blondes back, you did stalk me into Chanel yesterday." — Lauren (69:11)

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Notable Quotes & Moments with Timestamps

• On Facelifts at 35:
  “People are getting minor tweaks but also deep plane facelifts much, much earlier…between the age of 35 and 45, which is actually crazy because, you know, I literally am thirty-five." — Lauren (56:23)
• On the AI Voice-Over Trend:
  “It’s just so incredibly convincing… our mouths move to fit the words perfectly.” — Lauren (12:39)
• On the Gold Standard of Divorce:
  “The way that they have been able to unravel their romantic and private life but not have acrimony and keep the family together—it is so impressive.” — Lauren (30:55)
• On Celebrity Friendship Webs:
  “Gigi is obviously somehow the SharePoint…but I’m curious about like…is Taylor invited and also Kendall to the same event?” — Lauren (41:54)
• On the Culture’s Ageless Arms Race:
  “Social media is terrible…and can really be a mindf***, but I think that we have a lot of advancements…and if those tools are more accessible, that is a win.” — Lauren (66:12)

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Episode Structure & Timestamps

• Intro/Wardrobe Banter, Social Media Life — 02:32–05:36
• Travel Panic/Coach Flight Anxiety — 05:46–11:27
• AI in Social Media, Dubbed Reels — 11:32–13:23
• Celebrity Quick Hits (Markle, Ireland Baldwin, Anderson, Kyle Richards, Maude Apatow, etc.) — 14:09–34:20
• Vogue Cowgirl Cover Deep Dive — 34:20–42:54
• Royal News: Kate’s Hair — 43:06–45:18
• Wedding Ring, Taylor Swift, and Jewelry Tangent — 47:18–49:59
• Extreme Cosmetic Surgery in Turkey — 50:02–54:54
• The “Forever 35” Facelift Arms Race — 54:56–67:39
• Shallow News (Blondes, Side Parts, Shopping) — 67:47–71:01

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Final Notes

This episode is rich with pop culture references, playful jabs, and genuine insights into female self-image—balancing skepticism and celebration of both celebrity choices and modern cosmetic advancements. Lauren and Chandler’s banter anchors every segment, making complex topics like plastic surgery feel accessible and light (without minimizing their seriousness).

For listeners seeking both laughs and a nuanced take on the beauty standards and celebrity cycles shaping our times, this episode is both entertaining and oddly comforting.

Transcript

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[Chandler]

App.

[Lauren]

Well well well back again back in the saddle back in the sack.

Okay we've never been in the sack and we're not back in the sack.

[Chandler]

I'M just saying it's your favorite expression well well well another episode here we.

[Lauren]

Are we are gathered here today to have a gorgeous episode of pop apologists as sisters and as listeners hello everyone.

[Chandler]

Listening hello everyone listening lauren is wearing a plunging neckline okay the thing is this is like the definition of a.

[Lauren]

Plunging neckline you know what's so funny about this it's so interesting i wore this exact top before i got my boobs done and there was no issue right no there was no side eye glance from you from anyone but now that i might have a tiny bit more volume all of a sudden it's like how inappropriate cover up i mean.

[Chandler]

Like if you were a teacher and you're wearing that like you would be thrown out of the school well first.

[Lauren]

Of all i'm not a teacher i.

[Chandler]

Know i'm just saying like it would not it's not appropriate in some settings but it's it's great on our podcast.

[Lauren]

Do you think it's inappropriate for the.

[Chandler]

Show no and i told you before we started that i didn't think it was that inappropriate i just wanted to tease you a little bit okay you look beautiful ravishing plunging ravishing all those.

[Lauren]

Words thank you so much chandler it's a joy to be here with you you look very conservative like you would do really well at a bank at bank of america at us bank teaching this is a very yeah buttoned up.

[Chandler]

Look and i like it it's buttoned.

[Lauren]

Up everyone i conservative like your politics.

[Chandler]

I was i was triggered last week because i showed up to record and another wrinkly white tee and lauren was wearing a fashion top and it kind of set me off a little bit as it you know as as as you know will happen and i just committed to wearing more tops you know less tease in these recordings because i generally think it looks a little bit better it looks a little bit more polish so your girl hit up zara.

[Lauren]

And here we are here we are i mean that is one of like the charming things that can happen when you do a social media business with your sister it's like the other person looking too good can be kind of.

[Chandler]

Triggering it would set me it sent me into like the ninth realm of hell instantly you i opened the door and saw like whatever lace and i.

[Lauren]

Was just like oh you know what my top last week was kind of plunging too you're reaching for the plunging.

[Chandler]

Tops often yeah i guess i am but they look great they look great and you know what i wouldn't say that it's so you're not i like i said before we hit record you're not spilling out of it no i'm.

[Lauren]

Making hay while the sun shines every time i remember one time chandler's skin looked really good on an episode and i i just felt like i did not look good on the episode i remember i text you the next morning and i was just like i don't know that i'll ever feel pretty again.

[Chandler]

Oh yeah i went into a full spiral that was a dark moment and you know what that's the beauty and the joy of our social media business is getting to look at yourself on camera multiple times a week i have.

[Lauren]

Instagram deleted right now which feels really.

[Chandler]

Good how do we run our business with with you having instagram deleted well.

[Lauren]

You'Re running the account so kelly you.

[Chandler]

Didn'T let me know i guess i'll be sure to monitor the dm's yes please do congrats on having instagram deleted.

[Lauren]

It'S been like thirty minutes but yeah.

[Chandler]

I was gonna say i do feel good good great you know what and what makes you feel good makes me.

[Lauren]

Feel good oh very good what do you have coming up in this world chandler what do i have coming up.

[Chandler]

In this world well we've got a busy week in front of us we.

[Lauren]

Do because you are taking flight i'm.

[Chandler]

Leaving town everybody believe it or not i also go on vacation oh my gosh and i'm going to hawaii i'm going for a wedding and and so i'm leaving this weekend really though i can't even get mentally to hawaii because i have a flight in front of me that it's starting to sink in how crazy long it is yeah so everyone i we live in new york we decided we were going to like spring for a non stop flight to hawaii because we figured this is going to be better you know let's just get there what i didn't realize is that it really is so long it's like a ten hour thirty eight minute flight so it's basically eleven it's basically an entire day spent in the skies in coach in my situation like that has just been sinking in little by little for me and i woke up this morning with kind of a full panic about what am i gonna wear like i need to it's like i'm preparing for surgery or war like what am i going to pack what am.

[Lauren]

I going to eat anyway i'm very.

[Chandler]

Stressed about it well i think that's.

[Lauren]

Honestly some of the that's big basically the worst part about that flight or flying a long haul flight in economy is the dread leading up to it the dread it's like writing a paper it's like the dread is almost as bad as the experience of actually doing it and the other thing about your.

[Chandler]

Flight is it's not a red eye.

[Lauren]

So you're going to be awake the.

[Chandler]

Whole time no i lauren you're absolutely right it's not a red eye and i thought oh this is nice like this is what rich people do they don't fly overnight they fly during the day when they're alive and awake no.

[Lauren]

Rich people do business i mean other.

[Chandler]

Than oh i trust me i know what real rich people do no need to no need to educate me but i'm just saying like i you know typically i spring for a cheaper flight which is a lot of times red eye but yeah this is an awake flight which means that like i leave at ten am new york time yeah i fly for what eleven hours might as well be you know twenty i know i land at like three pm hawaii time which is basically eleven pm new york time it's a full day in the air yeah it's a full.

[Lauren]

Day in the air okay this is what you need to do i've thought about this okay the first and most important thing is to put down your sword against the pharmaceutical industry and big pharma as an evil in this world.

[Chandler]

Okay many people have written in giving me this exact same advice because i think something that has not really clicked for me until just now until the last few days as i've been thinking about this you can take sleeping medication during the day and it will just.

[Lauren]

Put you to sleep no for real.

[Chandler]

I think so is that what you're.

[Lauren]

Telling me oh no see i was thinking taking a little xanax yeah that's.

[Chandler]

What a lot of people were saying.

[Lauren]

And then and it just will relax you okay so like at least you won't be complete like it'll just help you not be so miserable right and.

[Chandler]

And that's that's truly what i'm looking for any type of otc utc situation uti anything that will send me into a state of relaxation somebody said early.

[Lauren]

Bird otc is not going to be enough because i was like do i.

[Chandler]

Just take a unison no and call it a night but then i'm just like i feel like that messes up.

[Lauren]

My timing i know that we're this is a public show we should not be talking about you know we should not be giving each other medical advice.

[Chandler]

I'M gonna take vitamin c and call.

[Lauren]

It a day i would take vitamin x what is vitamin c no i'm.

[Chandler]

Just joking okay i was like is that cam street name for something i don't know about and can i have.

[Lauren]

Some yeah exactly no i think i just think a little bit of xanax probably every four hours every four i mean basically like i would definitely reuse and i but don't take any until you get into the air okay because like you don't want to be in a situation where you're grounded and you're super groggy right like you kind of want to be in a situation where you know you're getting there yeah and then yeah i or you could actually save it for a treat for once you actually start to get super uncomfortable.

[Chandler]

Feel terrible the other thing that's really stressing me is the food situation so i am in we're row thirty seven okay i'm just gonna come clean with everyone uh it was a solid two grand to just upgrade us like to business oh worth it nope worth you think's worth it for both of us to upgrade for two grand each that was two grand total wait what you can get a lifelot seat no well no maybe actually yes i think a couple days ago i think it was like two thousand five hundred total that was not gonna fly my household i.

[Lauren]

Mean that is so worth it for an eleven hour flight i just i.

[Chandler]

Didn'T even think about like bringing it up you need to just check out like well maybe i will on the way home because there's actually no more delta one there but there are seats now there's like it's like fifteen hundred dollars for business which is a wider seat and i don't know if that's.

[Lauren]

Oh yeah it's just a wider seat i think it's worth it but if you can get lie flat yeah life flat it's completely worth it anyway yeah.

[Chandler]

I i think the the thing that's mostly stressing me out is what am i going to eat because it's a full day and i hate plain food i hate i hate airport food i hate literally any food you get a grab and go there well you could.

[Lauren]

You could obviously bring food i think.

[Chandler]

That'S what i'm gonna have to do so i'm like now i have to be a chef the day before it's like add that to the list but.

[Lauren]

If you were flying business you would get a beautiful meal served with actual silverware it would be a totally different.

[Chandler]

I mean should i text ben right now and be like should we upgrade a business i think you can save.

[Lauren]

It for after the show but i think you should definitely upgrade to business it's just too long of a flight someone wrote that in there were like i'm sorry but for that long of a flight business and i think that's.

[Chandler]

Accurate well i i doubt that will that that'll get a yes for my financier but it's fine it's fine watchdog i just feel like i'm gonna arrive no matter what swollen bloated and sleepy which is really just a magic combination.

[Lauren]

For beginning a swimsuit vacation yes literally.

[Chandler]

To you know check in at the hotel and throw on a bikini can.

[Lauren]

I show you something please i'm not sure if you know this chandler but know what i mean this is just so fabulous did you know that we.

[Chandler]

Both have surprises in this episode did.

[Lauren]

You know that i speak spanish.

[Chandler]

This is ai look at this this is.

[Lauren]

Someone sent emailed this to us so.

[Chandler]

This they used your likeness just watch.

[Lauren]

This is no this is meta's ai of our instagram.

[Chandler]

We are hot as speaking spanish what if it means like i'm attracted to myself when i speak.

[Lauren]

Spanish okay what's crazy about it i think it's seeming cultured and sophisticated no.

[Chandler]

It'S it's seeming extremely smart it's like.

[Lauren]

Learned yes wow that ship sailed a long time ago up duolingo yeah exactly a late night indulgence no what's so crazy about it is our mouth moves perfectly and it's in our voice it's.

[Chandler]

Spooky so i thought it was like a brand that stole your likeness and then i was like we've made it.

[Lauren]

Or lauren's made it yeah so what.

[Chandler]

So this is like something you can turn on like i think i did.

[Lauren]

Tap like allow for it to translate our reels into other languages and now it does and it's just it's ex it's so incredibly convincing it's just crazy how how they change our mouths to move to fit the words perfectly and.

[Chandler]

It'S in our voices it's crazy well i know about software that can literally like we would plug our podcast in and then we could say give us an episode where lauren and chan talk about quantum physics and it would turn it out no yes maybe not on camera i don't know actually probably on camera but yeah isn't that crazy scary.

[Lauren]

It'S spooky okay but we'll charge on.

[Chandler]

You know and when lauren and i release an episode on quantum physics you'll know yeah exactly wait can we just.

[Lauren]

Say that the bin laden episode was ai and then we could just finally.

[Chandler]

Like be out of totally yeah that was an experimental episode that was an.

[Lauren]

Experimental episode that went very poorly a lot of people did not like it.

[Chandler]

But a lot of people liked it.

[Lauren]

Some people really did but you guys it was actually just an ai generated episode we're never gonna do that again never no i'm just kidding that was not an ai generated episode i wish i could say it was it was my brainchild and it really hit the.

[Chandler]

Sky skits i i liked it you know we we're testing stuff out where should we begin this gorgeous pop culture episode let's talk about some real living breathing celebrities let's do it i want.

[Lauren]

To bring up a celebrity we talk about a lot okay megan okay we're.

[Chandler]

Starting with her okay let's do it.

[Lauren]

I just want to share that i had a very positive experience with as ever the brand oh what did you get by then it turned into a very negative experience okay what happened so first i bought the apricot jam during the second launch because it was the only thing available apricot spread whatever preserve yeah the spread and anyway they canceled my order because they didn't have enough stock okay and they refunded me but they also said we're still going to send you jam once we get it in which i thought was pretty incredible.

[Chandler]

Yeah that's great a brand doesn't have.

[Lauren]

To do that no that is legally there not required correct so i get the seventeen dollars refund two months later you know it comes through the mail it brought jam but i opened the box and it was open like like.

[Chandler]

It hadn't been packed well no like.

[Lauren]

There was no seal on the jar was like open there was like jam inside the box like it had fully opened in transit yeah like cracked like no not cracked like the that's bizarre the lid had come off okay that's.

[Chandler]

Really weird i i feel like it'd be one thing if it was like shattered no in transit but to have the lid come off it's actually i feel like i couldn't shake a box hard enough and get it get the.

[Lauren]

Lid to pop off maybe it was like a pressure thing i don't know and like flight or something you know.

[Chandler]

What we'll cover that in the quantum physics episode but it just i just.

[Lauren]

Thought megan i was really rooting for you here and so you're mad about.

[Chandler]

Some free stuff you got.

[Lauren]

I'M not mad i'm just i'm just sharing my experience and i don't know if you saw this on our ig stories but.

[Chandler]

The shadow script deleted okay i'm just.

[Lauren]

Kidding the show oh yes so everyone it never made the top ten the season two and it was also forbes said watched by five hundred zero zero zero fewer viewers in the first than the first week of the first season so anyway well i hope it comes back for season three a little re reconstructed with a co host i hope we see more of megan but i do think there's probably some reworking happening in montecito yeah which i honestly i sound so like snobby and horrible as i say that i don't mean to truly i i i want more of.

[Chandler]

Megan yeah we both want more of her and we will consume whatever comes next so happily so true okay let's move on let's do it this month.

[Lauren]

Is a big month for us clean simple eats fans because we've got several new clear protein flavors that absolutely slap.

[Chandler]

You already know that i love the.

[Lauren]

Frosted lemonade clear protein soda and now they've added cherry lime and grape to the lineup both of these flavors completely.

[Chandler]

Blew me out of the water everybody.

[Lauren]

In fact i think cherry lime might even be my new favorite okay each can has only ninety calories and twenty grams of whey protein which is unbeatable i love taking them with me when i have to run out the door.

[Chandler]

In the morning to go record and want to make sure i hit all.

[Lauren]

My protein goals for the day lauren.

[Chandler]

Loves one in the afternoon to beat.

[Lauren]

The midday slump they're just perfect around the clock also i love to put it over a ton of fresh ice and squeeze in some lime chef's kiss don't sleep on the clean simple eats clear protein or their delicious protein powders seriously everything this brand touches turns to gold and my pantry is starting to look like a clean simple eats store.

[Chandler]

Ben and i just love it so.

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

Sent you an instagram post over the weekend you did that i thought was really out of left field frankly it's.

[Lauren]

Certainly caught me by surprise everyone ireland.

[Chandler]

Baldwin posted an ode to ilaria a.

[Lauren]

Full love letter chandler i like took.

[Chandler]

A like a first look at it and was like this this is real because i don't follow her but it just came up you know in in the algo but this is what the the ode says so it's a photo of her and laria laria is holding one of the children and ireland's holding i believe a dog which i know that's a dog okay but it says i wanted to take a second to talk about my stepmom hilaria baldwin i think if people actually knew her the way i do they would be quite surprised this post may come out of left field since i don't post about her or any of my family members much i expect misinformed comments and plenty of comments about me only playing nice so i can secure my inheritance come on people i see the comments i'm not getting an inheritance i have seven siblings these thoughts have been on my mind since i late since i last visited her on the east coast hilaria has had a far more complex and chaotic upbringing than she lets on and i think that's why we've maybe bonded in some ways she didn't always feel safe and seen sometimes she is too loyal to a fault she's eccentric and totally batshit crazy in a fun way but she saved my dad's life she turned his health around and has shown him the forgiveness and kindness that he needed she also recognizes and nourishes the parts of my father that are the most compassionate and wonderful she's taught him that he doesn't need to suffer inside of his own head and stay stuck in his own past that it's never too late to admit you need help and it's never too late to learn to be kind to yourself hilaria is the reason i'm able to have the close relationship with my father that i do she is the reason i get to have siblings slash a big family that i've always wanted she has always respected me accepted my flaws embraced me and and has always shown me kindness i met her as a teenager and needed her as an example i still very much look up to her i'm so proud of her for doing dancing with the stars and i cannot wait to cheer her ass on she deserves this and it's not my place to share the ins and outs but this woman is a gem and deserves all.

[Lauren]

The love you know what honestly i i think this is wonderful it turned me around i think that it's nice to hear that ireland doesn't have any ire toward hilaria because you know what if i was the sole heir to alec baldwin's fortune which is probably not nothing okay and then he ended up marrying a much younger woman and proceeded to have seven children with that woman i think to hold no resentment which should make honestly ireland eligible for sainthood.

[Chandler]

Yeah that's pretty huge she also did not have to do this but i think she also just went so far and above what she ever needed to do or say she could have just said like she could have posted an instagram story and said rooting for you and we would have been like that's amazing clearly they're on good terms but she issued like a public love letter to her stepmom yeah and i i you know what my heart is softened and i'm rooting for hilaria what is.

[Lauren]

So wrong about pretending to be spanish that's my question i mean look at.

[Chandler]

Us on on meta it's so true.

[Lauren]

It'S just like i think that the whole i don't know hilaria from boston is really hillary from the boston thing it's overblown like let this woman have a false identity that's like a pretty fun life to live i think it's.

[Chandler]

Like a straw de vivre a hundred percent she's creativity that's literally creatively putting herself out there yes and you know what i think we are too hard on the most delulu among us and i think they're the happiest that is.

[Lauren]

Such a good point it's like the happiest people we know are the most delusional and i think hilaria baldwin is chief among us she's winning that race like she's clearly high on her own supply and why have we decided as a culture we want to tear her.

[Chandler]

Down i i'm gonna say something please i think we need to change the connotation with delusional with delulu okay because i think truly you need a healthy amount of delusion in this day and age in this climate in this world to just get by and to just like enjoy your life yeah i don't.

[Lauren]

Want to see things clearly okay i want some haze i want some lavender.

[Chandler]

Beautiful haze you want a paris filter.

[Lauren]

I want a paris filter absolutely over the lens which i look out to.

[Chandler]

My life yeah one hundred percent i don't know i thought this was really.

[Lauren]

Sweet honestly i love the way that we're trying to rewrite the narrative for hilaria and i think ireland for her positive spin the other thing i will say though truly is i think as the daughter of a father just most.

[Chandler]

Women are daughters of a father as.

[Lauren]

The daughter of a father the the one thing you want is for your dad to be happy you know and to be taken care of and to have a great life and so i'm sure that laria being there to honestly be alex caretaker someday but also you know having made his life so much better that is that is a gift and a blessing for ireland so and.

[Chandler]

I think after after enduring kind of a brutal divorce and custody battle with you know with her mom and alec baldwin's ex wife i think that yeah it's great for her to see him be happy with his like with you know with hilaria you know and they're and their children and i'm glad that she's i'm glad that she feels included.

[Lauren]

In that yeah agreed okay big news pamela anderson has you guys she has set the story straight about her dalliance her relationship with liam neeson whatever you want to call it so if you remember tmz posted that this was a pure relationship from this from the jump they never really spent any time together offset you're smirking over there i've got something to say okay and pamela has gone on the record so she says i do not and never will feed into pr stunts that would be a death sentence i'm authentically driven i'm superstitious when it comes to love and i'm not comfortable sharing any shred of my romantic life for as you can see it is only built up and torn down in days in a media culture that is quick to judge and ruin it do not mistakes my kindness for weakness yada yada yada i'm not going to finish the quote because it's pretty long but she is standing firm that she would never participate in such antics.

[Chandler]

So what do we think happened here how did we go from you know several outlets saying this was all a pr stunt to her biting back clapping.

[Lauren]

Back what do you mean i think she saw that and so do you.

[Chandler]

Think it was ever real okay because she's not saying like liam and i are in love i think that's very.

[Lauren]

Purposeful and i couldn't actually find any interviews where they said we're in a relationship now right they had affectionate things about each other but it was never them being like oh let's talk about the fact that we're dating but this is what i this is what i did find that i think is proof that the relationship was real and potentially is still real okay so this is pam and liam on watch what happens live and this is what andy cohen has to say and i think this is very revealing okay the question that.

[Ad Host]

I'M not asking the two of you tonight is what's going on between the two of you but i do just want to say as a very old friend of yours all of your friends are very much stanning this relationship as the kids say just want to say.

[Lauren]

That right dani so i don't think andy cohen would say all of your i'm an old friend of yours and to speak for all of your old friends all of your friends we are stanning this relationship if it was fake.

[Chandler]

Yeah yeah right yeah to issue such a strong cry of support on something that's like not real right and it.

[Lauren]

Also says in our private world we understand this relationship to exist yeah so guys we can all rest easy pam and liam this was a real thing and it could still be happening we.

[Chandler]

Don'T know no i think you're exactly right i don't think andy would like would break the fourth wall like that if it wasn't real they probably just wanted to be tight lipped about it right i will say though i i just don't understand how is andy cohen.

[Lauren]

Just friends with everybody like liam neeson.

[Chandler]

And andy cohen that's a that's a friendship out of left field as well.

[Lauren]

I think that andy was friends with pamela that's what the that's the vibe okay i think he was looking really at pamela when he was saying okay i don't again liam serious irishman dirty irishman he's not friends with andy cohen.

[Chandler]

He'S not like how's the new york franchise going no he's not going to.

[Lauren]

The clubs with andy no he is reading seamus heaney by a fire speaking.

[Chandler]

Of going to the clubs with andy what did you know that maude apatow is making her directorial debut no yes.

[Lauren]

Oh my gosh okay everyone you're probably wondering how that relates to clubs with andy chandler and i went to watch what happens live with heather gay we were her basically her her groupies yeah plus one and two her posse and afterwards we went out to a club in new york with heather and andy cohen was there andy cohen we did not we were not inter we were kind of like we were kind of.

[Chandler]

Like fish out of water i won't lie we were like at the b.

[Lauren]

Level tier we were not in the.

[Chandler]

Booth with the we were just kind of around trying to stay out of the way but trying to rub elbows and shoulders but i will say it.

[Lauren]

Was actually like this very funny moment because lucas gage was there that was who was she was on watch albums live with and lucas gage's friends came and part of that friend group was was maud apatow yeah yeah and maude apatow could not have been more just more normal and nice yeah yeah i.

[Chandler]

Remember she was like do you want.

[Lauren]

A drink like she went and got me a drink she just she did not act like she was anyway like important she was so charming and sweet so anyway that was a very fun memory so crazy i didn't really know who she was tba really yeah and i was more concerned about daniel day.

[Chandler]

Lewis if you remember because we were also there with sally field's son sally field's son and you know what we'll.

[Lauren]

Leave that story there we'll leave that.

[Chandler]

Story there but anyway i thought that was a little interesting tidbit where else.

[Lauren]

Are we at what's her directorial debut.

[Chandler]

I can't remember the name of it but i just saw like a panel that she was doing and it is it's a little bit like you know she's a little young i think to be making her directorial debut but the world's gonna keep on turning and nepo babies are gonna nepo baby she's not.

[Lauren]

That i don't think she's that young i bet she's probably like late twenties.

[Chandler]

How old is maude apatow maude is.

[Lauren]

Such a cute name for a girl.

[Chandler]

Yeah she's twenty seven she's twenty seven i guess to me she's always just.

[Lauren]

Like twenty obama was i think thirty five as a senator oh you know.

[Chandler]

What i watched last night what to get in the mood.

[Lauren]

Really that works.

[Chandler]

For me no no the first dance with him and michelle run number one.

[Lauren]

Like what mood were you trying to get into the only kind of mood.

[Chandler]

I want to be in which is.

[Lauren]

Literally the love the first their first.

[Chandler]

Dance like when when he becomes president like at the inauguration and beyonce singing at last okay and she's crying anyway that's beautiful it's really sweet and michelle and barack look good it it always.

[Lauren]

Is sobering and scary as a newly minted thirty five year old to realize that like what important jobs people do who are actually quite close to my.

[Chandler]

Age yeah i mean it's a it's a strong reminder that we are just built different and built and built more.

[Lauren]

Poorly and wasting our one precious inhuman life yeah not doing anything truly good.

[Chandler]

For the world but lauren no no no we've got we've got plenty to say about we got plenty to say about mario and kyle umansky let's talk.

[Lauren]

Some more shit on meghan markle oh.

[Chandler]

Our legacy oh no we've got something else about haley bieber and taylor swift's.

[Lauren]

Wedding rings that too our contribution to.

[Chandler]

The canon i want to quickly touch on the fact that kyle and mariso's daughter alexia got married over the weekend yes i have trouble keeping the daughter.

[Lauren]

Straight kyle richards really had the perfect life i will say i can't believe.

[Chandler]

How many kids she had two four.

[Lauren]

Daughters four like wonderful daughters that she had a very close relationship with an adoring husband has a close relationship with i'm sorry i just meant like that.

[Chandler]

We could see on the screen yeah.

[Lauren]

And i don't know it's it's as close to a perfect life as i think you can get that kyle richards.

[Chandler]

Experience kyle and mauricio walked her down the aisle which that was a very sweet touch i had the same thing of course very very sweet and you know i'm just i'm happy to see that this family remains like a unit and that they haven't let the divorce or the separation or the scandals with you know whoever anyone is dating like get in the way of them remaining as a family unit and that's what they promise to us and to each other and i just i'm glad they're.

[Lauren]

Sticking to it yeah i think that we get we give a lot of praise to the likes of gwyneth for conscious uncoupling but we really need to be sitting down with kyle richards because the way that they have been able to unravel their romantic and private life but not have really seemingly any acrimony yeah and keep the family together is so impressive to me right you know.

[Chandler]

Another one i had thought of another one who jennifer gruner oh yeah i.

[Lauren]

Mean we don't really know what's going.

[Chandler]

On there no we do like they they go on like do they yeah they i think i saw a photo of them like last week at like a baseball game or something as a full family do they go to aspen.

[Lauren]

Together i don't know i'm just saying.

[Chandler]

Let'S i'm just trying to give more women some credit okay i mean jennifer.

[Lauren]

Garner is like top top tier in.

[Chandler]

Every single i mean she's heavenly mother to me basically yeah i just don't.

[Lauren]

Know that ben affleck is i know.

[Chandler]

He doesn't deserve any credit but i'm just saying i think she deserves a lot of credit for like for the conscious uncoupling there that's true that's true.

[Lauren]

Alas we thank you we thank you jennifer for your service and i'm so happy for alexia and i'm happy for the umansky richards clan can you name the other three daughters portia alexia no.

[Chandler]

Yeah it's very hard to keep them.

[Lauren]

Straight but what are the other names.

[Chandler]

They all kind of have that same.

[Lauren]

Ring to them yeah anyway let's move.

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

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Sunshine dot com speaking of beautiful girls in beverly hills do you want to get into the vogue gigi hadid kendall.

[Chandler]

Jenner yes cover coming okay everybody hold on let me just flip to it kendall jenner and gigi hadid have graced the COVID of vogue together as besties as friends it's a very sweet cover it's them riding horses they're on a ranch and what i believe is wyoming i want to say yeah they're in the grand they're at a ranch in grand tetons in the grand tetons and it's very beautiful i love the photos.

[Lauren]

Yeah i mean you and i i think we have a penchant for the american west and all of its manifestations yeah and this honestly is a beautiful photo shoot i love the pictures i kind of i honestly i love all of the bougie farmy girls i mean that also includes bella bella is obviously the biggest cowgirl of them all that's.

[Chandler]

Like one of the comments was like where's where's bella because she's a little bit more of a natural fit i would say for this well i think.

[Lauren]

That she's a full time cowgirl for sure but you know what gigi i think lives on a farm in pennsylvania for a lot of the time and.

[Chandler]

I just think if you got lyme disease literally from riding the horses like you deserve to be on the COVID of vogue for your horse like personality.

[Lauren]

That'S that's true i think that bella's had enough vogue moments i'm fine with gigi and kendall getting this time also i will say kendall has she bought a twenty three million dollars like sprawling ranch a ranch in montecito chandler a ranch in montecito like this is the most beyond incredible charmed life there are very few things i think that really like give me that pang of jealousy yeah i feel like i'm pretty like i i don't know i just i'm i'm used to seeing these celebrities do crazy things right but when i saw the ranch in montecito it was just.

[Chandler]

Like that would be amazing it's definitely a choice to be there not like calabasas i mean she's sure i got a house in both but like she clearly wants like a a pastoral sort of situation second home right right that.

[Lauren]

She gets to go to and it is just she just has such exquisite taste as you have discussed true i just i find i find kendall jenner's aesthetic and entire like all of her choices for where she wants to live and how she wants to i don't know lead her life we like her.

[Chandler]

Taste it's beautiful and you know what her taste is maybe the most interesting thing about her yeah no tea no shade yeah i know i've said some things about her but this article had a few little nuggets in it that maybe even feels like a little too much of an overstatement yeah it was.

[Lauren]

A little snoozy it's just about their friendship yeah which is sweet and i'm.

[Chandler]

Happy that they're friends for sure but they really are they're quite guarded when they want to talk about anything it's like remember we went on that double date right i'll tell you about it we'll talk about it after you know.

[Lauren]

I mean there was a time when i think in one part of the article kendall's like you posted this photo because i think gigi's a little bit older than her yeah she's like you posted this photo and you were just so beautiful and i was embraces and like had acne or whatever and i was just so jealous she's talking about when they were like in high school.

[Chandler]

Yeah so that's like cute to hear yeah i think like kendall knew i don't know some they went to like neighboring high schools or whatnot no it is it is sweet like all of them growing up in the same area and then i guess like when gigi moved out to new york i'll remember that on real housewives of beverly hills yolanda getting her set up in her first apartment i guess like kendall will come out and visit and like she let everyone come over to kim and kanye's apartment they had like a you know a night or something anyway just it is fun hearing about some of these like you know i don't even know you'd say like just these moments off screen that all of these models and a listers have had yeah i.

[Lauren]

Mean i love hearing any detail about their lives i will say there was one part of the article that just like it just made me roll my eyes at kendall jenner and if people want to say that i'm jealous that's true but i do think that my criticisms are valid so they she basically says in the article that reality tv or the show the kardashians isn't quote her cup of tea and it's like really not her thing and then there's this other quote actually i feel like.

[Chandler]

I need about designing houses no not.

[Lauren]

About designing houses but she's like she says she you know she loves being in beverly hills or in la but what she really loves is the simple and just like getting up and putting on a swimsuit and sweatpants and having nothing to do yes simple life and i just i find it to be very obvious yeah it's like everyone loves to get up and have nothing to do like what what is what's better.

[Chandler]

Literally what's better so that's amazing that you enjoy that this is you open a can of worms you opened the lid and i was trying to be.

[Lauren]

Nice it's just it's not exactly original.

[Chandler]

She'S to me she is a little bit grating because she is so she's.

[Lauren]

Just so privileged and kind of boring well she's so boring but also i think that imagine this i was trying.

[Chandler]

To be so nice i want you.

[Lauren]

To imagine chandler that this little clown town show that we put on twice a week for everyone i want you to imagine that it made mccall famous okay and gave her money and access to the best plastic surgeons and mccall mccall is our little sister everyone let's just imagine that our hard work our vulnerability one of us releasing a sex tape literally doing like fighting tooth and nail showing up to like shitty events.

[Chandler]

Some of us still on camera i'm speaking as chloe here like having to.

[Lauren]

Do fake pranks doing all the fake antics putting our shoulders to the wheel to elevate our entire family and then our little sister who just got to essentially like you know be a boat raised by the tide imagine if bacall had the gall to say you know i just podcast a little embarrassing pop apologists just not not my cup of tea not my cup of tea i i would be so irritated about this attitude if i was especially kim or chloe or or honestly chris i mean.

[Chandler]

Even like even kylie i have so much more interest in because i just feel like she's she's built a crazy business yeah and kendall has eight hundred and eighteen but like she just she just always comes across as like too cool and entitled every interview i see with her she just doesn't seem like she really wants to be there she's just aloof and that just might be her demeanor and her manner which is fine it's just it doesn't make for my favorite type of celebrity and she.

[Lauren]

Didn'T she was a kid she didn't ask for them to do a reality show but i still it's just like.

[Chandler]

Show some goddamn results a little bit yeah and like i mean i will say the show now is it's a slog to get through so i get that she doesn't really want to film but it it also seems like they set it up in such an easy way for them to film it's like come over eat a salad while we you know have like a complete blur filter over everything right you know it's just it's quite easy now so maybe don't complain about having to come over to chris's house and eat a salad.

[Lauren]

For twenty five minutes and film no one wants to work these days chandler.

[Chandler]

Nobody okay the one thing i want to say here yeah it's cool that she says you know she would like to just decorate houses you know and if she wasn't doing this that you know she said something like you know they were up to me i just decorate houses or something like that but it's kind of calling into question her and gigi hadid's whole friendship you're so right you know because the rainbow pasta drawers happened on her watch yeah it's.

[Lauren]

Like friends don't let friends have six feet pencil or installations in their tribeca.

[Chandler]

Penthouses okay i literally was thinking about the pencil before you even said it it's like where was she so how good of friends are they truly are they truly sisters well and here's also sisters wouldn't certainly wouldn't let that happen.

[Lauren]

Here'S also my question yeah how does it work because gigi great friends with taylor but then also really good friends with kendall who's good friends with haley and we know that the kendall haley click selena oh yeah i mean selena the selena of it all like gigi is obviously somehow the share point yeah but i'm curious about like birthdays is taylor invited and also kendall to the same event very very interesting i sort.

[Chandler]

Of doubt it i don't know how does gigi balance i know i really.

[Lauren]

Like gigi i like gigi a lot.

[Chandler]

Too also i think her hair looks amazing in all these photos it's like it's giving me like it's like brunette like i'm obsessed gigi you can just.

[Lauren]

Tell honestly from her instagram that she's a very wholesome person yeah and i don't apologize she just comes across as.

[Chandler]

Less entitled i'm sorry and i don't.

[Lauren]

Know what that is because obviously gigi honestly was like born into a much more intense pedigree with muhammad hadid as her father but yolanda somehow raised him.

[Chandler]

Right or maybe it's just maybe it's just a kendall thing maybe this is she's just kind of cold i don't know i don't know everybody but yeah i mean the article is a short read definitely worth flipping through the photos.

[Lauren]

Other big news kate middleton has reverted back to her signature brown locks chandler only days after going blonde so the princess of wales forty three was pictured happily taking in the women's rugby world cup on saturday with what appeared to be a darker dew albeit tinged with muted golden undertones or pulled into a chic half up ponytail so we all you know remember just a few days ago when she was blonde and i think the internet issued a verdict very.

[Chandler]

Very quickly it was not the karen.

[Lauren]

Reed trial okay they we all said.

[Chandler]

Not good yeah and it was unanimous basically it was i do wonder is she living in the comment section as as lala would say did she literally.

[Lauren]

Change it because she had to have.

[Chandler]

She saw all of like the the comments out which makes me kind of sad but then again let me just say that i have left plenty of hair salons in tears basically knowing that damage had been done not literal physical damage my hair but just that i hated whatever had just happened and so i kind of picture kate getting into the back of whatever town car you know she was traveling to and from you know kensington in the salon and she gets in she like turns on the front facing camera and she's just like what what am i gonna do i mean what have i done and.

[Lauren]

Doesn'T that make her so relatable no.

[Chandler]

It does i it makes me and the fact that she changed back so quickly kind of also makes me love.

[Lauren]

Her more one million percent you know when you have that moment when you have done i remember one time i my hair was just like way too blonde from a hair appointment and it leaves you like in tears up until.

[Chandler]

Like the age of probably twenty five i was leaving most hair appointments kind.

[Lauren]

Of like crying yes and i just i completely relate to her having a crisis hashtag this is a crisis and she had the the palace hairdresser come over and get her back to brunette and you know what she looks so beautiful it literally is like she's back she looked so different blonde it was.

[Chandler]

Crazy and you know what i think i think she knows what her hair what looks best on her and let's just stick to it and let's just keep moving forward absolutely i don't know i just i've this was very real this is a very real human moment from kate and i love to see it agreed if you guys know me.

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

Love the watermelon and strawberry flavors those.

[Lauren]

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The site or in the app okay what else are we getting into this week i mean i wanted to touch on this let's just do it briefly we have we want to talk about this this article in the cut about the forever thirty five face but before we get to that everyone i do want to touch on this so i i think i shared on the premium episode but i did a jewelry appointment to try on some rings and one of them was an eight carat old mine cut diamond ring just because i literally was dying to know what it felt like on taylor's hand i mean.

[Chandler]

This is psychosis you are you have issues i've talked at length with you about you just need one more hobby you need one more thing kicking around in that brain of yours besides jewelry.

[Lauren]

So true i love jewelry you really.

[Chandler]

Take it to another level in fact you scold me when i'm not excited enough about jewelry purchases from you for you for yourself not even for me but you know what i have benefited from it i will say i don't.

[Lauren]

Think that i need more things in my brain other than jewelry i think i need anything in my brain other.

[Chandler]

Than jewelry please everyone send suggestions do you have books lauren can read maybe can we get you some encyclopedias okay anyway duolingo the point of this story.

[Lauren]

Is that the ring i tried on was one hundred twenty five zero zero zero obviously i'm not in the market for that way too expensive but it was a fun thing it's kind of.

[Chandler]

It was like a it was like a little it was a spectacle and.

[Lauren]

It was fun to do anyway long story short this place i went was expensive like it was an expensive jeweler and they they if anything their stuff is overpriced so it definitely made me think like i think all of these quotes are overblown about taylor's ring especially when you look at it it is not like a super white stone yeah right which i'm kind of into honestly but anyway long story short it has been revealed that it is more closer to two hundred fifty k her ring and if you compare that to other celebrity rings i just think it is pretty remarkable what this like it is truly like a gold band it is.

[Chandler]

Like a string it's a paper ring.

[Lauren]

It'S a paper ring and it's it's pretty spectacular and pretty special our girl.

[Chandler]

Is just very wholesome i think truly what matters as well is that it.

[Lauren]

Feels very her like if you had.

[Chandler]

Told me that this ring was a lot more money but like i would have believed you and also thought yes and it feels like her totally it was the right ring for her at the right time the right guy right it's perfect it's perfect and i'm i celebrate and applaud her for not this is where i really actually celebrate her taste and we don't do this enough yeah we do not do this enough.

[Lauren]

On this podcast it's true i think that we need to give her flowers here i think this was just an incredibly restrained choice and i just think.

[Chandler]

It'S absolutely beautiful restrained but spectacular yeah.

[Lauren]

No the vintage look it's very cool very pretty yeah okay okay and other news chandler did you know that women are now flying to turkey okay for an extreme and brutal surgery aimed at reducing their height okay so surgeons yeah.

[Chandler]

And i knew people were flying to turkey for procedures like get it but this one is it's medieval so surgeons.

[Lauren]

In turkey have started popularizing popularizing this cosmetic surgery which is able to reduce height by over five centimeters within the last six months the demand for the service has become overwhelming some women claim to have done it to improve their success in dating others argue that they are tired of being tall the brutal brutal process involves cutting the leg bone to remove part of the femur the cup bones are then joined and fixed in place with a metal rod which is then removed after the bone heals clinics offer offering the service allege it leaves no visible scars i don't know.

[Chandler]

How that's possible you're literally cutting off a part of your bone in your.

[Lauren]

Leg i mean we have lost the.

[Chandler]

Plot we have lost the plot also.

[Lauren]

I don't know how familiar you are.

[Chandler]

With like the metric system or i don't know inches and centimeters five centimeters is not that much no it's not.

[Lauren]

It'S like two inches it's like two.

[Chandler]

Or like i saw what i was seeing and this is from from an article orthopedic specialist baris gorgon explained that the procedure can shorten femur femur bones by up to four centimeters and shin bones by around three centimeters resulting in a total reduction of six to eight centimeters like at best okay and the bones are then fixed yeah with the plates that's like max three inches i love being tall i mean i just don't know if this is like a culture women cultural thing or women who are like a lot taller than us like we're like no it's not because.

[Lauren]

I saw on the before and after it was like she went from five eight to five five yeah it's definitely.

[Chandler]

Been a cultural thing which is crazy.

[Lauren]

It'S just is something that i find it's like we've really lost the plot i sometimes i can feel like i wonder is there anything that happens after we die is there does god exist what's happening and then i read stories like this and i'm like no this is all just completely random because this none of this makes any sense i.

[Chandler]

Mean have you seen those memes that are like me explaining this to a serf in like the fourteenth century and like i would just love to explain like a height reduction surgery to a surf flying to turkey for that truly.

[Lauren]

You know what it reminds me of you know in the book of mormon there's like the cycles so it's like.

[Chandler]

The pride cycle there's the it's the.

[Lauren]

Pride cycle it's like the there's we.

[Chandler]

Have a lot of listeners who are not mormon so should we clue them in a little bit this is we we were mormon we are now quoting from our religious upbringing everyone yeah but.

[Lauren]

Anyway in the book of mormon basically like there would be civilizations and they.

[Chandler]

Would please pull it out chandler they.

[Lauren]

Would go through like cycles over and over again where they would please chandler.

[Chandler]

Why don't you read also it's just i love going from sawyer to the bright cycle in your google search okay so it's really so it's righteousness blessings and prosperity pride pride wickedness destruction and suffering so it's just destruction and suffering humility and repentance which then brings you back to righteousness i think we're at.

[Lauren]

The destruction and suffering part yeah for sure if we're if we're traveling to turkey to get to cut part of our limbs off we are just we need to be humbled as a human as a human species what do you.

[Chandler]

Say to men getting height like addition.

[Lauren]

Surgery what do i i mean do.

[Chandler]

You feel the same way no i.

[Lauren]

Don'T because different i don't think that anyone should be getting that surgery because i think it sounds like it's crazy invasive i i'm not educated on it but there's something particular similar process i think there's something particularly unnecessary about becoming.

[Chandler]

Shorter yes agree agree becoming shorter feels like mutilation yeah and it also just.

[Lauren]

Feels like there's nothing in that's not instinctively better to me yeah yeah and.

[Chandler]

Like i don't know i i i feel a little bit like these plastic surgeons are like gouging people and also predatory one hundred when you look at the videos of the recovery it's like relearning how to walk like on crutches like it looks brutal it's you know.

[Lauren]

Honestly it's just like men used to go to war it's like we need real problems that's what that's more what it is i don't know about the pride cycle anymore i'm going to leave that one in the book of mormon but but it's just like we need some real problems well should we get.

[Chandler]

To you know another part of the pride cycle another part of you know our the plastic surgery world that we all live in now yeah so we.

[Lauren]

Are going to chat everyone about this article that came out in the cut called the forever thirty five face this is the part of the show where we are just very candid with each other two girls yapping so if this is conversation that you're not super interested in going into plastic surgery faceless all of that then feel free to sign off now we'll catch you on friday on the global elites episode or next.

[Chandler]

Wednesday i just want to fully state that the things that we're going to be talking about are so outlandish it's it's totally on another planet you know even though we might even live in the same city as some of these people living on another planet correct like it is so beyond belief that i find it to be fascinating because it's.

[Lauren]

So alien to me exactly so without further ado you guys this article is so crazy it's called the forever thirty five face the facelift is better than ever and everybody wants one deep inside the uncanny world of the surgically ageless so basically the conceit of the article is that facelifts used to be something where you kind of if you were gonna get one you waited till you're about sixty sixty five and you were you generally looked much older right and then you got a facelift and generally everyone could tell that you had had a facelift but it definitely refreshed you gave you a you know in most cases increased confidence and gave you a refreshed appearance it was a really dramatic result and a yeah dramatic change but basically the trend now has completely changed and people are getting minor tweaks but also deep plane facelifts much much earlier between the age of you know they are saying like thirty five and forty five which is actually crazy because you know i literally am thirty five so the idea that people my age are going and getting facelifts is insane but the idea is that you do it much younger so that a you heal better and b you don't want this dramatic result what you want to do is kind of try to maintain your your appearance without ever like letting things get to let it without honestly letting.

[Chandler]

Gravity take its like resetting the clock a lot earlier on versus way later on where it's such a drastic change and where yeah the recovery is less optimal should we explain the difference between yeah well if you want to no.

[Lauren]

I do i think it's really interesting because one thing the article gets into is how so the traditional facelift is called an smas facelift a smas facelift and it's essentially where the surgeon lifts and tightens the layer of underneath your skin called the superficial muscular planet rotic i definitely did not pronounce that correctly anyway it's basically it's apparently not as.

[Chandler]

Deep as the deep plane yeah so it's just like just below the superficial.

[Lauren]

Surface of the skin it improves jowls jawline and mild to moderate sagging it's less invasive with a shorter recovery time or results are effective but can appear less natural they're over tightened since the skin and the smas are moved more independently from each other whereas the deep plane facelift works beneath the smas layer and it re they literally release and reposition the ligaments in your face and they address like deeper structures of your face they're kind of the re the re draping like your your facial muscles yes yes across your skeleton yeah yeah instead of like just re draping your.

[Chandler]

Skin yeah basically i it's kind of helpful like it's like a bed sheet like it's like going from the you know like re re draping all the layers versus just the bed sheet layer.

[Lauren]

Right and the deep plane facelift it is a lot riskier there's a lot more chance that you could have nerve damage and just things go wrong and so it's been kind of it's been something that people did do in the past but it's really become popularized by ent plastic surgeons and they've really kind of marketed it as like a much.

[Chandler]

Better facelift and and like kind of the hot new version of a facelift.

[Lauren]

Right like you like the other facelift is just completely inferior and one of the things that i found to be super interesting is like there's a very intense battle between the surgeons who are old school who do the sms facelift in the deep plane facelift surgeons and there's there's just like a lot of there's a lot of snide remarks between each side at each other in this.

[Chandler]

Article yeah so it's interesting there's like all of these kind of older plastic surgeons who are basically saying we've always been doing this or we've always been doing something like this you know like this is just marketing they also say.

[Lauren]

We have done this in the past but it's much riskier and for most of our patients the smas facelift is much better for them because it's less risky it's less recovery time and what they say is basically it's like these ent surgeons who decided they didn't want to just do boring ent surgeries yeah and they wanted to make a fuck ton of money and so they all became like very specialized facial plastic surgeons and they created this like marketing engine around this deep plane facelift or which is actually a technique that these trad surgeons or the old guard kind of disregarded for a reason right right it's very interesting this article is incredible well.

[Chandler]

They also have like several women in here who share their experiences and their before and after which i was not expecting especially like new york like these are women who are paying the top dollar for these procedures and they were comfortable sharing before and afterwards which i thought was like kind of amazing incredible.

[Lauren]

The procedure costs are generally like for a facelift like this it's like one.

[Chandler]

Hundred k to start it's and and i think generally it's like this is the procedure where you don't want to cut corners so you go to a surgeon who is top dollar basically and that's how they get you well also.

[Lauren]

If you're doing a deep plane facelift where there's a lot of risk involved yeah you don't you want the best of the best working on you or someone who's highly highly trained i want.

[Chandler]

To talk a little bit more about these plast surgeons because it really does so much of the time come down to literally finding you know someone who is truly beyond skilled and so you know this article says elite facelift surgeons having put in malcolm gladwell level hours of practice have ultimately become olympians regardless of which technique they are using much of what turns a good facelift into a great one is located not in the overall technique being like smas or deep plane but in something more ineffable deep in the weeds of surgery it's down to being able to pivot when you open up a face uh this doctor says it's not always what you expect it to be fifty years into modern facelifting surgeons better understand how to read tissue and how to and how much to lift and move it they can feel exactly which direction to pull vertically and horizontally down to fractions of a degree so the skin is moved to precisely where it used to sit they know better where and how to sew back down and what kind of sutures use they're able to tunnel further into the face first from smaller openings and they are more meticulous at placing and sewing up incisions and so that they become invisible their precision overall means they can smuggle dramatic changes into a patient's face without disturbing the features that make it theirs bone structure eyes and smile the result is as close to authentic as a surgically altered face could be i mean i found that to just be fascinating because i don't know i i think that these doctors are just extremely skilled they're like artists yeah.

[Lauren]

They absolutely are artists and i just think that like if we look at lindsay lohan if we look at anne hathaway this is just a very different approach to anti aging than what was happening twenty years ago yeah and it looks very good it does feel overwhelming.

[Chandler]

Financially it feels it feels catastrophic financially.

[Lauren]

Yeah and it feels like a different plan of species get to experience this but one of the cool things in the article is it was basically saying that like this is going to become way more widely accessible it's not just.

[Chandler]

For the upper east side elite elite of the elite no there's a ton.

[Lauren]

A ton of doctors are getting trained on doing this and i just think that like they basically said like this is in five ten years this is just going to be way more widespread and basically we will be seeing people making these interventions a lot sooner in their lives and it's not just going to be for the hyper wealthy yeah and it just it's interesting to kind of like note that that shift essentially right we're like a boob job a nose job all that stuff is so common a forty year old getting a facelift right now it's for the one percent or the point zero one percent but in ten years from now you know i just think that it'll be very interesting to see kind of how many people are opting for this kind.

[Chandler]

Of intervention really young right right and what the landscape looks like because you.

[Lauren]

Really you really do look better if you do it earlier yeah which is just what's kind of crazy and the results are better remember when jonathan zelkin that surgeon on our show and he was like no like i see it every day like people that do this earlier they really do benefit and they enjoy the benefits for longer well and.

[Chandler]

I think a lot of celebrities that we don't even really realize have had this done the other thing i want to say yeah i think also it really depends on like the sea that you swim in whether or not this is something that calls to you and i think that was an interesting part of the article because a lot of these women say that like they notice that all these other women in drop off or whatever just were looking so refreshed right but i think also if you're just if you're surrounded by people who aren't caring about this as much i don't think that it's something you have to be necessarily tuned into or.

[Lauren]

Care about i will say you might call this super pollyanna but when i was looking at the before and afters i didn't see a forever thirty five face i saw i saw faces that looked more refreshed but kind of the same age they were to begin with but there was a real warmth and beauty to the faces that were just aging naturally yeah and i don't know it's like i look at gwyneth i think pre facelift just as beautiful yeah had a very natural kind of warmth yeah i would say she has more of like a her look is a little more done now it's striking in a different way yeah and i i think there's honestly there are there's just so much truly beauty to either path.

[Chandler]

Yeah i agree and i really do.

[Lauren]

Believe that yeah this the scary part is there's a lot of risk i.

[Chandler]

Mean to the surgical path and i think that's what people don't talk about enough is that it can go really wrong and even if you choose a.

[Lauren]

Great doctor yeah no absolutely at the end of the day chandler i do like seeing them doing something finally useful in stem okay.

[Chandler]

You'Re exactly right and we're shining a light on it thank god for these these doctors and scientists.

[Lauren]

These nobel prize winning deserving winning yeah.

[Chandler]

Pioneers pioneers truly wow stem stem to good use with the two hundred k facelifts i love that thinking lauren and you know what it's just it's a beautiful time to be a woman yes social media is terrible and can really like you know be a mind but i think that like we also have a lot of great tools and advancements.

[Lauren]

Are being made no exactly and and the thing that they kept saying in the article is like she loved her results at the end and whether you think she looks tweaked or whether you think she looked better before it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if women have tools to make themselves feel more confident and if those tools are going to be more accessible that is a win.

[Chandler]

That'S a win so women are winning.

[Lauren]

Women are winning so true yeah i need to i need to start saving.

[Chandler]

I mean they also talk about financing and that's like a real part of this for a lot of people and hopefully that won't you know these costs won't be so inflated for forever well.

[Lauren]

And also you don't have to go to a celebrity surgeon even now there are great excellent surgeons that just happen to not have done kris jenner and don't work on the upper east side in new york who charge much more reasonable fees and are doing incredible work yeah so i do think that is where like do you know you just do your time you do your research and if that's something that's going to make you feel better you look in the mirror and like feel more confident that's what it's about and i also think it's like it's not about looking thirty five forever it's about feeling like you look it's just about feeling confident wherever you are in your life and feel like you're a fresh version of.

[Chandler]

Yourself i mean i think when you know whenever you don't recognize yourself that can just be like really destabilizing yes so yeah anyway we're for women winning whatever that means to you we are.

[Lauren]

We are indeed can i share with you some news when we're on we're on the fully shallow topics right now yeah please did you know that morgan stewart went back to blonde yeah i.

[Chandler]

Did and did you see her post about it no i didn't well it was actually it's kind of sad but so her brother passed away kind of and she she literally posted and i just she's so real she literally posted from like the chair yeah she said i can't deal with this while being brunette she said i can't do all this deal with all this shit while.

[Lauren]

Being also burnett she's incredible and i i mean aside from the tragic news that is horrible i'm really sad i saw the post but moving back to her being blonde this is a sweet relief for blondes everywhere because it is not not chic anymore we're done we're done with that era we are we're done being blind and i heard too.

[Chandler]

That the side part was back no yeah you are but you're side parting right now why are you like no.

[Lauren]

I'M so happy yeah thrill yeah i heard that too you want to hear an esthetic emergency i or i thought.

[Chandler]

You had thoughts about my brunette hair that you were going to share for me share with me on the pot i thought that's actually what you've been meaning to talk to me about this.

[Lauren]

Whole time time you're not brunette like you're i love you i know i.

[Chandler]

Know i'm not brunette hair but it's more brunette for me and you said you had thoughts about it did i.

[Lauren]

Imagine yeah no i oh i did and they were to sit to share that morgan's back to blonde oh so and so you don't need to to.

[Chandler]

Do this okay well it's actually a lot lower maintenance and i am enjoying.

[Lauren]

The journey you look beautiful but you.

[Chandler]

Are blonde i am still it's definitely still blonde but yeah what else did you have another shallow nose anything else side parts back blondes back you did.

[Lauren]

Stalk me into chanel yesterday oh yeah.

[Chandler]

Well stalk you i have your location i was buying some you know some new tops for this podcast and you were overspending probably but actually i take it back because when i saw you you had no bags correct so shopping.

[Lauren]

With elizabeth dear friend of the show she's been a guest co host we got a beautiful lunch and then we went shopping and lo and behold it walks ben and chandler okay and a sight for sore eyes definitely and chandler goes where are your shopping bags i told them there would be two blondes in here overspending that's what i was.

[Chandler]

Here to see they asked me well first of all they have to be letting in at the door so i already feel dumb and i've got a zara bag like swine yeah so i go i'm like you know they let me in the door and then they say what are you here for they're.

[Lauren]

Like wait that's so funny they didn't.

[Chandler]

Ask me yes they literally maybe they asked me like they didn't say what are you doing here what are you doing here they said like are you here no i think they said what are you here for okay and and i said you know looking for two.

[Lauren]

Blondes overspending yeah neither of us had bought anything and you were like i haven't bought anything interesting you were having.

[Chandler]

A shopping day i just assumed you would have some success everything in those.

[Lauren]

Stores is like ten thousand dollars well.

[Chandler]

I just assumed that you were going.

[Lauren]

Other places places no i zara actually the only places we wanted to go were at logan hall material good to look at to look at jewelry and.

[Chandler]

Then we just what could you what.

[Lauren]

Jewelry could you possibly have not seen.

[Chandler]

You asked me about tomorrow tomorrow's our niece's birthday we're supposed to spend the whole day with her and you said do you think she wants to go to logan hallowell our eleven year old.

[Lauren]

Niece it's because logan hall was closed and i was devastated ah yeah anyway yeah i did not buy anything i'm trying to be fiscally responsible and i.

[Chandler]

Left empty handed well i'm proud of you thank you okay everybody thank you for listening we absolutely adore you and love you and we'll be back on.

[Lauren]

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