295: Taylor Swift's Stalker, Gwyneth's NYFW Debut of GWYYN, + Priscilla Presley Memoir Bombshells

Summary

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Pop Apologists – Episode 295

Taylor Swift's Stalker, Gwyneth's NYFW Debut of GWYYN, + Priscilla Presley Memoir Bombshells
Released: September 24, 2025
Hosts: Lauren & Chandler

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Episode Overview

This week, sisters Lauren and Chandler dive into some of pop culture’s most dramatic and unsettling stories: Taylor Swift’s vanishing stalker, Gwyneth Paltrow’s new clothing line debut at NYFW, bombshells from Priscilla Presley’s memoir, and some dark breaking news headlines. They also manage to keep their signature humor and wit alive, dissecting fashion disappointments, Real Housewives shenanigans, and true crime headlines with candor and irreverence.

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Main Discussion Points & Key Segments

1. Taylor Swift’s Stalker: A Vanishing Threat

[07:50 - 14:00]

• Case Details: Chandler recaps chilling updates about Taylor Swift’s persistent and increasingly dangerous stalker, Brian Jason Wagner.

  • Wagner diverted Swift's mail to his address, falsified DMV records to link to her LA home, and sent disturbing messages calling Swift his “wifey.”
  • In July 2024, Wagner escalated to showing up at her house with a glass bottle, possibly as a weapon.
  • The most frightening recent development: Wagner vanished after missing a court appearance, despite a private investigator’s attempts to track him down.

• Implications for Swift: Lauren discusses how this threat shrinks the world for mega celebrities:

  “As they get bigger, really their world gets smaller and the number of people they can trust gets fewer and fewer.” [12:57]

• Security Concerns: They reflect on how even the best security isn’t foolproof, referencing Swift’s previous break-ins and the new “rolling black bulletproof screen” used at Chiefs games.

  • Lauren: “Her security has failed before, and I’m sure it’s top of the line.” [11:39]

• Memorable Quote:

  “It would be very unsettling if I was Taylor… to just not know where this obviously mentally unwell person who has it out for me is.” – Chandler [12:29]

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2. Taylor Swift’s “Life of a Showgirl” Release Party & Fan Culture

[14:11 - 16:49]

• Lauren reads out Swift’s Instagram announcement for the “Life of a Showgirl” film event, noting its playful, hyper-fandom oriented marketing ("brush off that Eras Tour outfit or orange cardigan").

• Lauren admits: “I love the music, but the visual component to what Taylor does… sometimes can be hit or miss. I don’t watch every music video. It’s really about the songs for me.” [15:45]

• Both sisters express mild disappointment that fans are getting a lyric video/behind-the-scenes reel, not a full documentary.

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3. Gwyneth Paltrow’s NYFW Debut of GWYYN Clothing Line

[19:01 - 26:48]

• Chandler describes the “homey” concept of Gwyneth’s new line: an NYFW apartment-setup event with goop-approved nibbles, racks of clothes, and a peach tablecloth.

  • “She was standing next to racks... alongside designer Sophia Minase… formerly from Maison Margiela.”

• Fashion Roast:

  • Lauren is “catastrophically” disappointed in the collection, saying Paltrow’s current style is “masculine and matronly… a lot of oversized midi A-line dresses, big cardigans, a lot of puff sleeves.”
    • “Do you… Are you inspired by her fashion?” – Lauren [21:13]
    • Chandler’s biting summary: “Ann Taylor does and has been, every season... Let’s give Ann Taylor some fucking credit.” [25:29]

• High Prices:

  • “It’s astronomical. It’s almost four digits.” – Chandler [23:07]

• Mission Statement Snipe:

  • “Gwen makes clothing for dynamic women who do it all…”
  • Chandler: “It’s like gobbledygook.” [25:50]
  • Lauren jokes: “What could be more man-repelling and hideous than that?” [25:58]

• Moment of Praise:

  • Lauren pivots: “Don’t sleep on the G Label… They make their sweaters in the same factory that makes Alaia knitwear, and I think YSL.” [24:48]

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4. Priscilla Presley’s Memoir: Dark Revelations

[26:53 - 40:13]

• The sisters break down revelations from Priscilla’s bombshell memoir, including:

  • Meeting Elvis at 14, the complexity of her relationship, and her early pregnancy with Lisa Marie.
  • Abuse: “When Elvis found out about Mike Stone, Priscilla said that he… forced himself on her the way he imagined a karate master doing it. It left me with an unhappy memory of my last experience of sexual intimacy with Elvis.” – Lauren [29:12]
  • Elvis allegedly tried to have Priscilla’s lover killed.
  • Family Tragedies: Lisa Marie’s drug addiction, tumultuous marriages, allegations of molestation by Priscilla’s boyfriend, and Priscilla feeling sorrow but not regret over leaving Elvis.

• Chandler contextualizes the generational trauma:

  • “You say what you want to say about Elvis. I believe he groomed Priscilla. She was far too young… He was her formative relationship.” [34:41]
  • “Lisa Marie goes on to... marries... Riley and Ben’s father… It’s just, Priscilla and Lisa Marie had similar tragic things.” [34:39]

• Discussion of previous and current taboos, the wildness of mid-century celebrity culture, and ideas for future deep-dive episodes on families like the Presleys or Hearsts.

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5. Bonus Pop Culture Hot Takes & Tangents

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City: Season Premiere Recap

[41:19 - 49:08]

• Lauren and Chandler roast the bleak Utah filming season, miserable RV cast trip, and manufactured drama.

  • Lauren: “The thing I will say is I found this episode to be completely entertaining even when the drama was totally contrived.” [43:41]

• Highlights include Bronwyn’s $4M necklace controversy, Whitney Rose’s business collapse (“very endearing… she admits failure” – Chandler [46:47]), and rumors around MLM activity in her businesses.

Kanye West’s “In Whose Name” Documentary

[51:36 - 55:21]

• Chandler summarizes: A new doc entirely from behind-the-scenes footage, no narration, following Kanye’s mental spiral from 2019 onwards.
  • “Some of the scenes are really hard to watch… his mental health completely unravel.” – Lauren [52:47]
  • The film is seen as sad, not redemptive. “You want to watch this documentary and see that Kanye is still there, but I don’t think we see that.” – Chandler [54:35]

David/D4vds & Celeste Rivas True Crime Case

[56:27 - 61:24]

• The hosts react to the disturbing news that indie singer David (D4VDS) is implicated in the death of missing 15-year-old Celeste Rivas.
  • Her remains are found in his Tesla. Both shared a matching “shhh” tattoo.
  • There are ominous online coincidences: a song called “Celeste,” lyrics, a music video of a body in a trunk, and social media posts.
  • The sisters express horror that David hasn’t (yet) been arrested and sympathy for the victim’s family.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Taylor’s security:

  “For me, I think about, like, when she goes out to dinner, immediately, you know, Discord chats… fire up… So you would think that this guy could very easily be in one of those chats.” – Lauren [09:40]

• On Gwyneth’s clothes:

  “These are all dresses I've seen at Talbot's. Ann Taylor. Not even the Loft, just Ann Taylor.” – Chandler [22:20]

• On Real Housewives drama:

  “The thing I will say is that I found this episode to be completely entertaining even when the drama was totally contrived.” – Lauren [43:41]

• On Priscilla Presley’s memoir:

  “As difficult as it was, I never regretted my decision to leave Elvis, but I never ceased to mourn it.” – Priscilla Presley (as quoted by Lauren) [29:12]

• On generational trauma:

  “I have a lot of sadness and sympathy in my heart for all the women in this family who were victimized… I don’t know how you’re a star, or the child of a star, and you totally turn out normal.” – Chandler [36:32]

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Timestamps: Quick Reference

• 07:50 – Taylor Swift’s stalker case deep-dive
• 14:11 – “Life of a Showgirl” and Taylor news
• 19:01 – Gwyneth unveils GWYYN at NYFW
• 26:53 – Priscilla Presley memoir bombshells
• 41:19 – Real Housewives of Salt Lake City S5 premiere
• 51:36 – Kanye’s “In Whose Name” doc reactions
• 56:27 – D4VDS/Celeste Rivas crime story analysis

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Overall Tone

Lauren and Chandler’s dynamic is as sharp and sisterly as ever—direct, incisive, sarcastic, but deeply attuned to nuance in celebrity coverage and sensitive topics. Between fashion industry dunks and true crime chills, they provide both escapism and a critical lens on pop culture’s darker underbelly.

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For New Listeners

If you missed this episode, expect a deft mix of biting fashion commentary, pop culture recaps, deep-dive true crime, and frank, empathetic discussions of difficult issues—all delivered in the sisters’ signature, no-holds-barred style.

Transcript

[Lauren]

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Well, well, well.

[Lauren]

Everyone, we are back with another edition of Pop Apologists. Pop apostles. Where are you at today? Are you ready for another episode?

[Chandler]

Are you talking to me? Are you talking to the listeners? Where are you at? Where are we at?

[Lauren]

I was trying to, I'm trying to, I don't know, I'm trying to like have a Persona. Maybe be a little bit like Daddy gang. Where are you guys? Okay, we never call our listeners by anything. We don't have like, I guess we have global elites, but we don't have a name for everyone. And I do think we need to have a resurgence of pop apostles.

[Chandler]

Love it. Love it. Pop apostles, wherever you are today, wherever you're listening, we hope you are doing well. Lauren and I are back.

[Lauren]

We do.

[Chandler]

We're back together. Back in the saddle, actually. Not back together physically, but back recording after my week long break while I was in Hawaii. So happy to be here with you.

[Lauren]

So excited. I mean, we're actually not together though sadly. I am back home in Puerto Rico. Puerto Rico. And Chandler is in lovely New York. She's recording from the studio. I'm not recording from bed because I'm just going to say that it was always an awkward, weird setup. And so we're just gonna hope the audio sounds good today from this location.

[Chandler]

I thought you always looked beautiful.

[Lauren]

You look like somebody wasn't who was.

[Chandler]

Like chronically ill or something. You could only like record from bed. Like you were like an ailing 16th century child.

[Lauren]

I can already hear, like, the furious DM. Like, I cannot believe you laughed when she referenced people with chronic illnesses. Okay, let me.

[Chandler]

By chronic illness, I meant like the bubonic plague or something. I don't. And, you know, that might not even be chronic. That's just fatal.

[Lauren]

No, I definitely seemed like I was perpetually ailing. And someone did ask. They said, is everything okay with Lauren? Why is she recording from bed, you know, in full glam, but recording from bed.

[Chandler]

She had.

[Lauren]

There was one episode.

[Chandler]

She had time to always put on mascara and a lip.

[Lauren]

And fully do her hair, but she was still recording from bed. No, I, I, there's one moment where I did wear my skims pajamas to record from. I had a blue tank top on and then the blue boxer shorts. I thought the blanket would be covering my boxer shorts, but then I realized when I was uploading my video that like a full 4 inches of my boxer area was visible basically the entire.

[Chandler]

Time your boxer area was showing.

[Lauren]

I'm not gonna get into it. Yes.

[Chandler]

And like on clip, the woman, the woman who's posted her ass cheeks more times than any person I know.

[Lauren]

That's.

[Chandler]

First of all, not a Kardashian or celebrity was. She was scandalized by 4 inches of her boxer area showing on camera. It's all about the setting.

[Lauren]

Okay. And context. And some contexts. Some contexts call for a more bare look, for example, when you are in an aquatic environment. And some contexts call for coverage. Okay. And so I was clutching my own pearls. I want to wipe the grin off your face really quick, though, because we are recording.

[Chandler]

I have things to say. When will you let me speak? I would like to know when I'm going to be able to speak. You give me a heads up about when I'm going to be able to break in here.

[Lauren]

Oh, well, hopefully you'll speak very quickly here because I'm going to ask you a question. Can you do me a quick favor? After this recording is over and run to or just on your way home, hit up like a shipping center and drop off some returns for me.

[Chandler]

No, I am not your errand boy. And I don't. I don't make returns anymore for free. I make returns paid. I can. I do paid returns only, not free.

[Lauren]

I think I paid you enough. I think, I think. Can you help a sister out here? I've helped you out.

[Chandler]

That's true.

[Lauren]

Can't you help me out?

[Chandler]

Yeah, I, I think I said yesterday that I would do it. It doesn't sound. Yesterday it sounded like an okay, Aaron. Today it sounds Like a really huge task.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And also I don't want this to become a repeated, like a repeat thing.

[Lauren]

You know, I make no promises on if it's going to be a repeat thing, but I would so appreciate it if you would drop off a few returns. I'm trying to be more frugal these days. Yeah, I haven't have a few Amazon returns. I definitely need dispatch.

[Chandler]

I'll make your returns for you just this once. Not a problem. I just, I feel like I do a lot of errands for you and Courtney. Like, Courtney will say, hey, can you go wait at my house for this UPS package with a. Just a five hour delivery window that I have to now just, you know, can you, can you work from my house? I guess because I work remote on this podcast. I can. I can also be, you know, an. An EA to my sisters.

[Lauren]

I mean, I would like for you to share one other task you have done. One other errand you have done for me in the past six months because I feel like you just, you're. It's a misplaced aggression. I went on to rant about how much Courtney asked. No, see, you can't even name one thing. I actually didn't.

[Chandler]

I like, come here to like, make sure that somebody could get let in to do some work on your apartment. Don't. I feel like I'm. Look, I know I can. I know I. I know I have done something nice. And, you know, you did something very nice for me, which I will share with the listeners because everybody was asking me about whether or not I upgraded. And true, that was like a huge question. And everyone. I did upgrade. I had a very generous benefactor. Would that be who, like what I would call you?

[Lauren]

What's the word? Patron saint. Patron.

[Chandler]

Yeah, a generous. A generous patron. Allah or AKA My sister Lauren sponsored some upgrades for Ben and I on our flight home and it was marvelous.

[Lauren]

I did upgrade you. Honestly, just because your flight was giving me so much anxiety. It helped me feel better knowing that you, that at least one of the legs, you would have a life flat.

[Chandler]

Uh, it made all of the difference because, yeah, it's the second time I've ever flown in a life flat type of situation. And every time I'm like, I get why, I get why. I don't know, I just, I understand lifestyle creep. That's all.

[Lauren]

I was more than happy to do it, Chan. And honestly, I just knew that I would benefit as well if you came back and weren't completely miserable. You know, less complaints for me to hear.

[Chandler]

It was an investment in your mental health, for sure.

[Lauren]

It honestly.

[Chandler]

Okay. I kind of want to start with a couple of the topics that are top of mind for me. There's a lot to get into. A lot's happened in the week while I was gone, and I. I want to address kind of, like, everything, you know, that we have before us in this outline. But there are a couple things that I can't stop thinking about.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Okay. And the first one, I want to talk about Taylor Swift stalker.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So this article says that Taylor Swift faces a vanishing threat that refuses to be found. And when I read this headline, I was kind of like, what. What is this? Like this? I don't know. It just is kind of a strange headline. All right? And then when I got into it, I was so chilled to the bone because Taylor Swift is a stalker. All right, his name. Well, she has many stalkers. But the one that we're going to talk about today, his name is Brian Jason Wagner. Okay. He is a Colorado native. All right? And basically, the filings against him detail the fact that he's shown up at her home. He's diverted her mail to, like, his address. He's even falsified DMV records to link his license to her Los Angeles residence. In messages, he's addressed Taylor Swift as a wifey. He's professed his love to her in July of 2024. So literally last summer, he arrived at her home with a glass bottle that could have been used as a weapon. So his fixation has evolved from intrusive emails to physical trespassing, each step, you know, only, like, ratcheting up the fear from Taylor and her team. I believe he said that he, like, is the father of her son, that they've. Together, they have a child. And so anyway, he's just. He's the latest. And I think this, like, line of crazy stalkers who have come after her. Okay. And where it gets chilling. Okay. Is the fact that he has disappeared, that he was supposed to show up for a court appearance. He did not show up. And they hired a private investigator to go, like, keep tabs on him to see where he's at, and he cannot be found.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I think that this situation really is so scary because she obviously has security, but that doesn't mean that, like, that doesn't mean that the security can't fail.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Right. And for me, I think about, like, when she goes to a restaurant, when she goes out to dinner, immediately, you know, discord chats, like, secret little chats, fire up and then you know that when she exits a restaurant, a lot of times there's like crowds of people because people figure out where she is. So you would think that this guy could very easily be like, in one of those chats where he is one of the first people to know where she is. I mean, there's the private jet tracker. Yes. So that he can easily follow those movements. It doesn't seem like it would be that hard to figure out where she is and also get relatively close. And I think, given recent events, I do think that she is ratcheting up security. And I don't believe that her walking behind the screen to go to the one of the Chiefs games was some sort of like, performance situation where she's just like, building hype for the new album. I don't know if everyone saw this, but when Taylor went to the. Not the most recent Chiefs game, but the one before it, they basically just had a black bulletproof screen. Screen that she walked behind. At first, people just didn't know what it was. They just thought she was walking behind a screen. Maybe because she had a new haircut or some people were like, she's pregnant. And then I saw some people saying no, like the rollout for the new album. It's just very strategic and she doesn't want to be seen right now at all. But what this says is, no, that was a proof. Proof, you know, rolling kind of screen people fit online where you can buy one of those. They found the exact thing, and it really is for security purposes. And, and I just think that one loony person like this, I mean, we. We know what has recently happened in our country.

[Chandler]

I.

[Lauren]

It's hard for me to imagine that she doesn't live in pretty serious fear, which is really. It's just really, really horrible and sad.

[Chandler]

Oh, it's. It's so scary. I mean, she's had stalkers break into her house, sleep in her bed, and, you know, I believe in her New York apartment. So her security has failed before.

[Lauren]

And.

[Chandler]

And I'm sure it's top of the line security. It's the best money can buy, I'm sure. A couple more things I want to say. I think that the most chilling part for me is the fact that she has to hire like a private investigator to kind of keep tabs on her stalkers for her own peace of mind, to know where they're at, to kind of just like, just to keep tabs, just to. Just to make sure that, you know, nobody's too close by or to. To Just literally keep her safe. So her PI was messaging him and, you know, asked where he lived because she needed to deliver legal documents and he said he did not have a place to live. In one unsettling exchange, he even said, you know, he was going to have to do something about her. Referring to Taylor, he claimed that he was supposed to live at her house and work for her, but that, you know, she's gotten angry with him and now his life is ruined. And basically these conversations are the last known contact that's happened between the PI Brookburg and the stalker, Brian Jason Wagner. And so because of that, he's just totally gone dark and he hasn't responded to anything. They can't find him, Nobody's heard from him. And it would be very unsettling if I was Taylor, obviously, to just not know where, you know, this obviously mentally unwell person who has it out for me is.

[Lauren]

Mm, no, it'd be extremely scary. And I think about like these celebrities that get so, so famous, how as they get bigger, really their world gets smaller and the people they can, the, you know, the number of people they can trust gets fewer and fewer where they feel like they can go, you know, smaller and smaller. I don't know if it was this guy, but I believe that someone recently broke into or like, oh, no, it wasn't. It was not this guy. So they tried to serve Taylor, but apparently the process server hopped the fence to try to get into Travis's house at 2am recently to serve her for the Blake Lively Justin Baldoni situation. I think that it is just one of these scenarios where it's like they live in these big houses. Everyone knows exactly where those houses are. Lots of entry points. I just feel like there would be lots of points of failure and a lot of celebrities, they get break ins, like things go wrong. So anyway, I just, I, this, this story makes me sick and it makes me feel really bad.

[Chandler]

It's really, really scary. And I, and I think it's just sad and, you know, given like the fun moment that we're in with her with their engagement with Life of a Showgirl. Travis's Steakhouse opening.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, let's talk about Life of a Showgirl. Because Taylor announced that there would be an official release party of Life of a Showgirl. She said on Instagram. I hereby invite you to a dazzling soiree. The Official release Party of a showgirl. October 3rd through 5th, only in cinemas. You'll get to see exclusive world premiere of the music video for my new single, the Fate of a behind along with never before seen behind the scenes footage of how we made it cut by cut explanations of what inspired this music and the brand new lyric videos from the new album the Life of a Showgirl. Look, it's time to brush off that era store outfit or orange cardigan. Tickets are on sale now. I mean the announcement is definitely giving. Grab your floor, grab your friends and wear your florals. Do you have any thoughts on this? This film premiere? I mean we were all dying and trying to manifest a. A documentary. This is not that.

[Chandler]

Well, I was gonna say I've been dying and trying to manifest a reason to wear my orange cardigan.

[Lauren]

That is so true, Chandler. Very few occasions call for a sparkly orange cardigan.

[Chandler]

I know.

[Lauren]

I just can't wait for. For mine to come in the mail. So I, I mean I have many thoughts on this. Well, so I'm just going to dive right in. Unless you would like to share.

[Chandler]

I want to hear your thoughts because when this news broke I was actually off Instagram. Not to brag, but I was off Instagram for the whole week that I was in Hawaii. And so I kind of missed this whole explosion and release. Yeah. So please share your thoughts.

[Lauren]

I just, personally I don't, I'm not really. I love the music, the visual component to what Taylor does. So sometimes can be hit or miss. To me just being completely honest, speaking my truth, I don't watch every music video. It's really about the songs for me. And so it's one thing to go see some sort of like extended docu series on the making of a music video. It's an entirely different animal if the majority of this film is we are supposed to believe are lyric videos. Like not even music videos lyrics.

[Chandler]

I understand. I also struggle, I think because we were so prepped and primed for a documentary, the fact that we're not getting one is a bummer. I mean, I think too, what if we could have just like, what if it could just have been a music video like premiere in the theater? I don't know. Is that weird? Like one?

[Lauren]

I think a five minute movie.

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

Okay, so let's move on to another blonde that you know is always on the docket. For us. We're talking about the clothing line Gwen released by Gwyneth Paltrow. This is the next iteration, you know, in her fashion rollout. Her fashion, her fashion. The fashion side of goop. So it's, it's basically you know, her taking a step further from G label. And I want to, I kind of want to talk to you about how she presented it. I don't know if you saw any of this, but during Fashion Week, she invited people to, you know, an address to a. I guess it was actually a studio, but it was decorated and lit to be like an apartment where she had all of the clothing laid out. And so it was kind of like, come to my home, see my clothing. That was kind of the way she did it, which I thought that was nice. Like, I, I liked that idea a lot. You know, she had a peach tablecloth with goop approved nibbles. You know, Gwen carved into the sides of zucchini, you know, some homemade looking seed and nut bars. Very, very Gwyneth. And then, you know, she was standing next to racks in the other room alongside the designer Sophia Minase, who's from Maison Margiela, who helped design the Gwen collection.

[Lauren]

Yes. So I heard that she was bringing Gwen to New York Fashion Week, and I thought it was going to be an actual fashion show. I was very hyped. This new line before I, frankly, before I saw it. But when I heard about it, I just thought, wow, this is going to be really cool. Like, she's potentially wanting to go down the Mary Kate and Ashley path. The woman who is designing it, she was previously at the Row. So I was really excited for this next iteration. Now I'm going to tell you what. What took the wind out of my sail?

[Chandler]

What took the wind out of your. I mean, let's also just state for the record, we all thought this was Lauren, and I thought this was going to be a memoir because she changed her photo. Like, we thought this, this launch was going to be a book. So this is the launch. This is, this is what she's been teasing on her Instagram.

[Lauren]

Is, is Gwen. Is Gwen. Yes.

Okay.

Well, for first, this was not like a fashion show. It was, you know, basically come and see some clothing on racks and pick up a granola bar and some crudite. So kind of an underwhelming presentation. And then additionally and chiefly and most catastrophically, the clothing itself. Okay. I, I love Gwyneth. I adore her. I find her to be so charismatic. I don't find her fashion to be super inspiring. If I'm being completely honest. Her fashion in the 90s was very cool. But currently I find it to be a lot of like oversized midi A line dresses, a lot of big cardigans, a lot of puff sleeves. Honestly, I find her style to be, like, quite masculine and matronly, if I'm just really being honest. And so I just don't know that I need this clothing line. Like, do you. Are you inspired by her fashion?

[Chandler]

I mean, haven't you seen the way I dress? I'm always heading head to toe G Label.

[Lauren]

I wouldn't even.

[Chandler]

You people wouldn't even know if I wasn't head to toe G Label. Because nobody knows what G Label looks like. Because it's so forgettable. And I say this with love. I say this with respect. I do not find her fashion. Yes, like you said, to be inspiring. Every time she'll post some type of outfit roundup on her Instagram, I'm like, these are all dresses I've seen at Talbot's. Ann Taylor. Not even the loft, just Ann Taylor.

[Lauren]

No, Chandler. These are full sister missionary outfits. I mean, look at this.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

Oh, this is a brown midi A line dress with huge puff sleeves. You can absolutely find this at Down East Outfitters.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

You don't need to be invited to the exclusive Gwyn, you know, soft launch put on by Goop. Like, this is full Talbot.

[Chandler]

Oh. And it's astronomical. It's almost four digits.

[Lauren]

Yeah. The prices are extreme. And the. The clothes themselves are so bad. There's a Jersey dress. There's a Jersey T shirt dress. A gray Jersey T shirt dress with, like, basically that hits right below the elbow. The sleeves, incredibly sexy. It goes to the. It goes to the ankle. Who's wearing this?

[Chandler]

I like what. It's kind of insulting to me because first of all, who's wearing this? Who's buying this? Who do they think? They're like, clientele is. I mean, it's like this is like the wardrobe. Okay, you know what? Oh, actually, I know exactly who this is for. I know exactly this for. It's coming to me. This is for if you're being accused of murder and you need a really nice wardrobe to wear to court.

[Lauren]

Oh, Chandler, Literally, that. You hit the nail on the head. This is like polygamous outfits to wear to court.

[Chandler]

Yes. To defend themselves in the wintertime. If you are being accused of murder and your trial happens to be in the winter. Have I got a clothing collection for you.

[Lauren]

It is baffling. It's truly baffling.

[Chandler]

So. And I. I mean, there is a pea coat. There is a cropped peacoat. Not even a crop. Sorry. Just a. A, not a long Picot, but a short pea coat, which to me, I'm not ready for those to come back in Sorry, I'm not ready.

[Lauren]

No, absolutely not. So, anyway, I just found this. I found this entire launch to be honestly super. Not even underwhelming, but just disappointing. And I will say to everyone, though, don't sleep on the G label. Now, Gwen sweaters, they do make those sweaters in the same factory that makes Alaia knitwear and I think YSL knitwear. And the quality is amazing. So actually a hard pivot. I ride hard for the G label sweaters. And there's a really good one that's. It's 5 95. So it is really expensive, but it's not, um. It's not the same price as the Row, but it's very similar style as the Ophelia sweater.

[Chandler]

I think there's just better dupes. Better dupes out there. Um, I want to also. Let me read the mission statement very quickly, please.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Gwen makes clothing for dynamic women who do it all. It is thoughtfully designed in close collaboration with Gwyneth, who's immutable. Do you know what this word is in inimitable?

[Lauren]

It's inimitable.

[Chandler]

I think it's like.

[Lauren]

Like you can't imitate it. Like it's in imitation.

[Chandler]

Ann Taylor does and has been every season. Like, literally. Let's give Ann Taylor some fucking credit. Who's inimitable? Imitable. Who's imit? One word. How do I say it?

[Lauren]

Inimit. In. Now. Now I can't pronounce it. Anyway, who's.

[Chandler]

Who's imitable?

[Lauren]

Inimitable.

[Chandler]

Inimitable. Taste shapes every collection and made in Italy from exceptional materials. Anyway, I just thought that was like gobbledygook.

[Lauren]

No. You know what Gwyneth loves? She loves, like a big puff sleeve, an A line silhouette, midi length, and a Birkenstock. What could be more man repelling and hideous than that?

[Chandler]

I do not. I do not knock Birkenstocks. I mean, I. I love my Birkenstocks. I'm planning on buying a new pair, literally, in the next several weeks. But it's all just very frumpy to me. It's frumpy and I'm missing some edge. I'm missing some color, for God's sakes. I'm missing. I've never said for God's sakes before, but it felt right there. I'm just missing a little bit of, like, cool. Missing a little cool factor.

[Lauren]

I didn't say that Birkenstocks themselves are terrible, but it's the combo. Like, if you have a big, big shoe. I don't think you should also have a big sleeve and a big skirt. Like, it's just way.

[Chandler]

Yeah, no, I agree.

[Lauren]

You need to. You need some balance.

[Chandler]

Balance. Anyway, we've harped on for this for too long.

[Lauren]

Yes, we have.

[Chandler]

Let's.

[Lauren]

Let's move on.

[Chandler]

Let's move on. We have other people to talk about besides. There's so much to get into besides Gwen and Taylor. What do you want to discuss next?

[Lauren]

Okay, there's.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

I want to get into Priscilla Presley's memoir. So you are, I would say, like, the more Presley world kind of obsessed. Elvis sister.

[Chandler]

Elvis, Diane. Elvis.

[Lauren]

Would you agree?

[Chandler]

Sister. No.

[Lauren]

But.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

You read the. Riley keough. Lisa Marie McCall is really what I.

[Chandler]

Was just trying to guess about my journey. Lauren's like, you're the one who loves. You love Paul Newman and Elvis Presley. Yes, Lauren, you would be correct. While I am not Elvis obsessed, that would be a mischaracterization because I. I am young. If I should remind. You know, if I can yet again remind you, I am obsessed with Riley Keough, his granddaughter.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

And you were also similarly obsessed because we both watched the show the Girlfriend Experience. Experience, which is very hot, very sexy. It makes it sound like we watched it together. We did not. We watched it separately, but we did love it. And I read the book by Lisa Marie and by Riley. It was basically Riley finished Lisa Marie's memoir. It's called From Here to the Great Unknown. It was one of my favorite books that I read, I believe, last year. It's. It's narrated by favorite books that you've read. I mean. Okay. It's one of my. The favorite books I've read in the last, like, five years.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

I think it's really beautiful. And it's narrated by Julia Roberts and by Riley.

[Lauren]

Mm. Did you listen to it or did you read it?

[Chandler]

I listened to it and I bought it because the COVID is really pretty. And I just. I was really, like, captivated by it. I mean, it's. It's sad, it's emotional. It's at times kind of, like, hard to read because there is just, like, a lot of darkness that happened, you know, with. With Priscilla, with. With Elvis, with Lisa Marie and her life and her, you know, like, Lisa Marie obviously struggled with drug addiction.

[Lauren]

Drug addiction.

[Chandler]

And, yeah, it's a sad story, but I think it's beautifully written. I think there's these three generations of women, Priscilla, Lisa Marie, and Riley. The way that Elvis and his legacy has kind of unfolded in their life has been really interesting. I don't want to give everything away, but, but it's, it's, it's a beautiful book.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, you've sold me. I absolutely want to listen and I really want to listen to this. Priscilla Presser. I'll be honest, I did not think she was still with us. So this was Elvis's like main big love of his life. He met her when he was 24. He was serving in the US army in Germany and she was only 14 years old and they got married. And I did not realize that knowing that Lisa Marie had passed away, I just didn't realize that Priscilla was still around. But not only is she around, but she's literally releasing a memoir about her life and we are learning a lot more information. So trigger warning. There is description of sexual assault, also of an abortion. So just I would proceed with caution. So a lot of details are emerging about her life with Elvis in this book. The first, when they got married, they were absolutely not ready to have a child and she got pregnant on her wedding and she said, for weeks, Elvis and I worried in silence about what was to come. At my lowest point, I even wondered how I'd feel if I had an accident and miscarried. I felt so guilty that I was even having these thoughts. Then Elvis looked at me one day and asked if I wanted to have an abortion. He told me he'd support whatever I wanted. His words were wake up call. The enormity of it hit me head on and I began to cry. I told him, no, we can't do that. This is our baby. Or so when Lisa Marie, that was the baby she was pregnant with, came in 1960, the couple immediately fell in love. Priscilla though, and I didn't know this, so she leaves Elvis. Four years after she has Lisa Marie, she has an affair with her karate instructor, Mike Stone. And this is the detail in the memoir that's like pretty wild. And again, trigger warning. But when Elvis found out about Mike Stone, Priscilla said that he, quote, this is her words, forced himself on her the way he imagined a karate master doing it. It left me with an unhappy memory of my last experience of sexual intimacy with Elvis. Elvis, who frequently cheated on Priscilla, was so upset he even asked his closest pal Joe Esposito to find a hitman to take out Stone, but was persuaded to calm down. So Priscilla says, as difficult as it was, I never regretted my decision to leave Elvis, but I never ceased to mourn it. Raising my daughter was a challenge for both of us. She was strong willed from the beginning, like her dad, just Came that way. Lisa had a mind of her own, and being Elvis's daughter only reinforced it. So she goes into details about, you know, Lisa Marie's drug use and dealing with that. But, I mean, another thing that she discusses is how she had a boyfriend who basically developed a sexual obsession with Lisa Marie. So there's just a lot of really, really kind of terrible and things revealed. She describes the fact that she never trusted Michael Jackson and never thought he was actually into Lisa Marie. So she says, I didn't believe that Michael loved Lisa. He married her at a time when he desperately needed good publicity that depicted him as a desirable heterosexual. There is. It was one thing to fight the child molestation charges against him. There was no way to come out of that looking good. But photos of Elvis's daughter wearing the huge diamond engagement ring he'd had made for her, that image was pure gold. On January 18, 1996, when Lisa filed for divorce, Priscilla says that she could practically hear Elvis sigh with relief.

[Chandler]

I mean, there's so much to get into with the life of Priscilla and with the life of Lisa Marie. Both of these women had their own fair share of tragedy with horrible men. You say what you want to say about Elvis. I believed he groomed Priscilla. She was far too young to understand life in any major way. And her parents let her move to America, let her move in with Elvis, basically before she was. Before they got married, before she was of age. I believe, you know, that she was really young when she moved in with him. And then they waited to get married. He was like her formative relationship. She gets pregnant with Lisa Marie, right? Literally on her wedding night, Elvis mistreats her, cheats on her, is abusive. I can't even imagine what that was like. Going through that in that day and age when everyone is obsessed with Elvis, when he's literally this mega star. And then you look at Lisa Marie and she. Her parents get a divorce when she's four. She loves Elvis. Elvis is like. Is Elvis is her dad? Yes. And she lived with Priscilla for the majority of the time in la, not at Graceland. And when she would go to Graceland, it was just, like, all fun. It was just like, her dad's this rock star. She gets to be fun and crazy, drive around in a golf cart, stay up late, do everything she wanted. And Priscilla represented, like, rules and being strict versus Elvis, where it was just, like, all fun. And so she. I think she resented her mom for not letting her live at Graceland with Elvis. And then her dad tragically dies. All out of nowhere. And I think then she. I think he dies. Lisa Marie's still obviously quite young when he dies. And so he's just, like, always this hero to her. And obviously her mom has a complicated relationship with him because of everything we've just discussed. And then Lisa Marie goes on to. She marries Riley's. Riley and Ben, who is her son who died by suicide. And so she marries. That.

[Lauren]

She marries their father.

[Chandler]

She marries their father pretty young, and he's this amazing man. And I think, like, this is one thing that's talked about in the book. Like, he. He moved back in with her, like, towards the end of her life before she died tragically, because they were just, like, great friends and he took care of her.

[Lauren]

Oh, wow.

[Chandler]

And. And she also. She was with Nick Cage and I think with. With Michael Jackson. She really wanted to have it. Yeah, she wanted to have. She wanted to have a music career. And I think. Yeah, she was. She wanted to. And I think she had a beautiful voice, but her music career never really took off. And anyway, like, not to make this Priscilla, Lisa Marie deep dive episode, but there's just. Priscilla and Lisa Marie had, like, similar tragic things happen in their life. And Lisa alleged that the boyfriend. You mentioned, Priscilla's boyfriend actually molested her.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And Priscilla says in this memoir, she says that she didn't read that or know about that until after Lisa Marie had passed. And so she feels like she'll never have closure about that situation because Lisa Marie did not say that that had happened when she had first. When. Or Priscilla says in her memoir that Lisa Marie said he came into her room when she, you know, asleep and, like. And like, basically lifted up her. Not her. Yeah, like, her sheets to, like, look at her. That's what she tells Priscilla and that's what Priscilla thought had happened. Then in the guys, the guy, the guy in his book confesses that he has a sexual obsession with Lisa Marie. But again, Priscilla doesn't think that anything ever happened. Then, you know, fast forward to the book, her memoir coming out, and her actually saying that she was molested by him. It's pretty insane.

[Chandler]

Yeah. It's so sad. And a lot of the most recent drama has been over Lisa Marie's, like, wishes for her trust, I believe. And I think what happened, what caused this huge fight between Riley and Priscilla was that Priscilla, I guess Lisa changed her will to not have Priscilla be one of the trustees or one of the people who could, like, you know, help decide what to do with things, and she just made it.

[Lauren]

Wait, who changed Her. Well, Lisa Marie, okay, she didn't want.

[Chandler]

Priscilla to be a trustee. And she. And so then there was all of this drama between Riley, Lisa Marie's daughter, and. And Priscilla. And so I. I have a lot of sadness and sympathy in my heart for all of the women in this family who were victimized, were literally. And I just. And I. I don't know it. I don't know how you're a star. I don't know how you're the child of a star and you totally turn out normal. In addition to that, I think that Priscilla and Lisa Marie did not have an easy relationship. Lisa Marie talks about the fact that her mom told me that she thought about that. She says, my mom told me that she thought about trying to fall off a horse to cause a miscarriage when I was born. She didn't necessarily feel super wanted, even though, you know, when she was born, they loved her. And I think there's also discussion. I can't remember exactly what she said, but just that, like, Priscilla maybe lacked some, like, maternal instincts. And she's always felt, like, more drawn to Elvis. I don't know if that's just because he was, like, the fun parent. But anyway, just. Just a lot of sadness and darkness with that family. And I. I wonder if Priscilla feels like she can finally share her full side of this, all the story. Because Lisa Marie has passed on, you know, and Lisa Marie struggled with. I mean, this is just like another huge part of it. But, like, Lisa Marie had twin daughters with Michael Lockwood, and Priscilla basically took Michael Lockwood's side in the divorce and was like, you know, she's not fit to be a parent. Or at least didn't say that he was unfit to be a parent, but she was struggling with drug addiction anyway. Just awful. Really, really dark stuff.

[Lauren]

Maybe it's naive of me to think that we've gotten better, but I do feel like when you read that these kind of memoirs of these people that are much older, in the 60s, 70s, 80s, like, a lot of really tawdry, awful things were happening and standards, especially for men, were, like, a lot lower. And there was almost kind of like a. A Wild west feeling to just kind of how people conducted themselves, especially with underage women. And it seems like now with me too, and with, like, disparities surrounding consent and all of that, there's just a much more heightened awareness about what is actually proper and what's improper and what is, you know, illegal. And there's just, I guess, just so much used to go down is really what I'm trying to say. Not even. I think it would be interesting to do deep dives. Yes. Of the Elvis kind of Empire and these women specifically, but also of like the Hearst family and the drama there. Like we toured Hearst Castle and we heard about like his affair with his starlet and there's just, there's so much scandal that happened like a long time ago. And honestly, so much of it is just so. Or apparently Chandler. There's a big scandal that's very juicy with Paul Newman and his like long term partner. Okay, yeah, I know someone wrote in and they're like, I would love to hear you guys do deep dive. The romance he had, the affair he had and then this long romance with this one person. I just feel like, yeah, there's, there's a lot of bad behavior alone, a lot of horny people in history that we should get into.

[Chandler]

We should absolutely do a deep dive on that. That would be very interesting.

[Lauren]

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Really quick, can we chat about the season premiere of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?

[Chandler]

Can we ever class a getaway?

[Lauren]

I gotta say, the choosing to film in. It seems like they're filming in March. February, March in Utah. It is truly Utah at its worst. Utah goes from being like in a dank, gorgeous place to feeling really ugly. I mean just really, really ugly.

[Chandler]

It's like any other winter destination in the the February, March, honestly, early April months where it's like, it's not really snowy for the most part, but it's really cold. Everything's still dead. I mean, New York looks like this sometimes.

[Lauren]

There's not a leaf on the tree.

[Chandler]

No, not. Not a leaf on the tree. Santa's nowhere to be seen. It's just. It's just sad. It's cold and sad. And this is when they always film in Salt Lake City. They always film during this time. I don't get it. They really don't do Utah justice. But, yeah, here we are up in.

[Lauren]

Provo Canyon, and then the premiere being we're gonna drive everyone to basically, like a junkyard. Okay. In an rv.

[Chandler]

Would you be so annoyed if you thought you were going on, like, maybe a relatively fun cast trip? I mean, you know, you're gonna have to, like, fight and have some drama, but then you. You at least think you're gonna get to, like, lay out in the sun for 30 seconds.

[Lauren]

Oh, what about just have indoor plumbing? Having, like, cocktail service? Just having, like, basic. Your basic needs met as a human, as an individual.

[Chandler]

If there's any way to stir up drama, it's to do this. It's to literally make them go on a trip that is. Nobody wants to be there. Nobody wants to be there. Even if they weren't getting paid.

[Lauren]

Correct.

[Chandler]

It looked.

[Lauren]

It looked so awful. The food, everything about it was so unenjoyable. So they were really troopers for powering through. The thing I will say is that I found this episode to be completely entertaining even when the drama was totally contrived. And I can tell the Salt Lake City girls are, like, trying to create a meme. Like, there's one moment in the. In the van. Whitney is fighting with Britney.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren]

Angie K. Goes and takes a full swig out of the wine bottle. And, you know, she's like, trying to basically be a meme in that moment.

[Chandler]

But I don't even care.

[Lauren]

I find so many of these women to just be so funny. To be kind of like Lucille Ball esque characters in their physical comedy and really sharp commentary. I mean, Heather Gay as a narrator is so funny. I. I was loving this episode.

[Chandler]

Oh, I think Angie K. Is so funny. I think Angie K. Also like the way that when Britney says, I have an announcement, and she announces that her and Jared were engaged and then they got unengaged because their kids weren't, you know, weren't supportive or their kids didn't want it, which I. More on that later. But when Angie's just like, well, that was short and sweet. Angie K. Is one of the funniest people. I think one of the funniest housewives, in my opinion.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

No, I'm so happy they're back on our screen. I'm so happy to have Bronwyn back because I think Bronwyn is so entertaining. Brittany Bateman is the lifeblood of, you know, the worst people on reality tv. She is like, the tip of the spear. Is that what you'd say?

[Lauren]

I don't. I don't know what you mean by the lifeblood or the tip of the spear.

[Chandler]

I know. She's just like. She's everything. She's, like the most perfect, in my opinion. Like, the thing about.

[Lauren]

She's so.

[Chandler]

She's so perfectly bad.

[Lauren]

She's so good. And even when she's being annoying, watching the other characters react to how annoying she's being is itself so entertaining. So I. I love her on the screen. I will say, with Bronwyn, I used to really like her, and I used to really, like, love her on the show, and I do think she's entertaining to watch. So she's good television. The four million dollar necklace thing, though, I wish that they had drilled a little deeper there.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Because that actually made me really annoyed that she reveals that she lied. Right. Like, she fully lied that she got a four million dollar necklace.

[Chandler]

What does she say to. What was her, like, fake apology? She says, you know, if I. If I said it like that and if I misconstrued it, well, then. And it came out like a lie, then that's on me. What? Just say I lied. I lied because I wanted it to seem like I was rich enough to. To afford a $4 million necklace on a whim on an anniversary trip. Yeah.

[Lauren]

And I just. I kind of wish one of the women had actually called her out in that moment and been like, why do you have to put on such financial errors? Right? Like, why is it so important to you that people think you are so rich? Is it because, like, there's no actual, like, substance in your life? Like, your relationship is transactional? And, I mean, obviously the stuff with her daughter is, like, actually quite touching and real. I think I just find that to be so gross.

[Chandler]

Well, she lost all credibility. She lost all credibility for me with the necklace experience and with, like, the. I think when she talked about Todd cheating, but then she walked it back, remember? Right, right. Okay. The other thing I want to bring up, the other big, you know, bombshell. I have two things. The first is that I found Whitney Rose talking about how her business failed to be very endearing. She was. It was real.

[Lauren]

Very endearing.

[Chandler]

It was Vulnerable. It was like, honestly, it made me feel really sad for her.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I do think there's more to that story though, because.

[Chandler]

What do you mean?

[Lauren]

My ears perked up when she said that she had 30 employees.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, road I don't think has 30 employees. So it would be very shocking to me if she actually had 30 full time employees for a skincare line that was probably most likely white labeled and her jewelry brand. So there's just something off there. And what she's alluding to with the Tick Tockers is basically that there are a lot of kind of rumors that there's some MLM stuff happening or that.

[Chandler]

She was really with Prism and with her beauty brand. With Wild Rose Beauty.

[Lauren]

Yes. So basically she. So she and Justin met at New Skin. Okay. Which is an mlm. And then Justin went on to work for a different. I'm not sure if it's. It was an mlm, I think. Sure. But Whitney went on to transition her skincare line to being part of something called Soul. And it was something that included social selling of wellness products, digital courses, and community. Oh, gosh.

[Chandler]

Digital courses. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Yeah.

[Lauren]

And like she had basically what's alleged is that there were these events that were thrown for people who would also be like selling these products. But those sales people had to like fly in. They had to pay to attend the. This event was like canceled last minute. So people lost money. And what people? She had transitioned the skincare to being like part of this like MLM scheme. And so I think those 30 people were actually like salespeople on the downline.

[Chandler]

Not like, you know, I, I, you know, not at Wild Rose Beauty. Wow.

[Lauren]

Correct.

[Chandler]

I mean.

[Lauren]

Correct. So I think that there was some unsavory stuff happening with her business dealing. I still, I still find her admitt to the failure being really important. Heather Gay is correct. I mean, she don't talk about failures enough.

[Chandler]

She's saying too, we invested millions of dollars and we, we have nothing to show for it. She is not even trying to pretend.

[Lauren]

They put their house. I think it's called Saratoga Springs.

[Chandler]

Is that where they look? Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

[Lauren]

They put that on the market for 2.1 million. Like, I really do think they are like she says, like they lost everything. Which is a really, really horrible place to be in. Obviously.

[Chandler]

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Um, okay, what else are we getting into? June, I want to briefly talk about.

[Chandler]

The Kanye documentary In whose Name so everyone I did not watch the documentary. It came out in theaters. I did not go and see it. But I saw a lot of these clips that have been that were either in the trailer or that people took while they Watched the movie and it's. The whole documentary is from Nico Ballesteros. Ballesteros, I believe, is how you would say his last name. And he's like the documentary guy who's been literally following Kanye around with a camera for years, years and years. So he. He began recording this documentary in 2019 when he was only 18. And he would film 15 hour shoot days just going around following Kanye, doing everything he was doing. And he recorded over 3,000 hours of footage, which was cut down to an hour and 45 minutes for the final film. So it's not. He wanted to do something different. It's not. There's no talking heads. It's not. There's this narrative set by all these different narrators, if you will. It's really just footage. And then people are left to form their own conclusions. And some of the scenes are really hard to watch. There's a scene where he's yelling at Kris Jenner, asking her if it matters. You know, the people, what people say, why it matters, what people say. Did you see any of these? Tell me your thoughts.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I saw the trailer. I felt like it's really just watching Kanye break down. Yeah. And his mental health completely unravel. He discusses being bipolar. He discusses being off his medication. I think that it's genuinely sad. I think that Kris Jenner comes off really well. She seems very loving, very hopeful about wanting things to be better for Kanye. And he seems like a raging lunatic to me. It's actually like such a. I probably shouldn't say that given that he struggles with mental health stuff, but to me, it just. I think that it corroborates his lack of sanity that he is allowing this documentary to be released because it is not flattering.

[Chandler]

So I thought there was like this. This interesting quote from Rolling Stone where it talks about how it stops short of landing anywhere coherent, suggesting that this might actually reflect the confusion and the contradiction that defines Kanye's current reality. There's no, there's not. It's not like a redemption story where it's actually. This all makes sense because look at all this behind the scenes footage where he's been taken out of context.

[Lauren]

Next.

[Chandler]

And so I think that was the point. And I think that, yeah, the fact that he allowed it to be released, I couldn't really figure out if it was like, if I don't know that he's been promoting it. He obviously did have to sign off on it getting released because it's all this footage of him. I think it is just showing the downward spiral that have been the past few years. And one thing that struck me as I was thinking about this, like there was a time, years and years ago when he wasn't spewing hateful things where he was like, insightful and a visionary. And I think so many people are still mourning that. And I think what's sad is that you want to watch this documentary and see that Kanye still there. But I don't think we see that. I think we just see literally a person who's in the midst of psychosis over and over again.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And honestly, the, the energy is very, very culty and weird. Especially when they show the church scenes. Like, there's something so dark about a lot of these scenes in the documentary that just, I don't know, it's like almost goes beyond one person's mental health breakdown. It really does feel insidious. So I will not be watching this documentary. Personally, I honestly feel fatigued by all things Kanye. I used to adore him. I used to at the height of Kimye. That's when we started this show. Originally in 2016. We loved Kanye, but now I just find everything he says to just be like so nauseating and so gross. So I will not be partaking in this. Well, I would, I would much rather watch the lyric video to Showgirl.

Agreed to.

Life of a Showgirl.

[Chandler]

One thing I'm gonna say though that's interesting is there's not a lot of footage from the last two years. And apparently, you know, this is like the Bianca Kanye, you know, time obviously, and they didn't want him filming them. So it's just like, you know, there's nothing visionary or iconic about, you know, making Bianca wear a thin strip of pantyhose and nothing else out in public. And so I, I kind of am like, no wonder there's not a lot of footage of them because it's actually just really sad and, and dark. So, yeah, I will not be seeing this as well, but I just wanted to touch on it because it felt relevant to share, you know, our thoughts with, with the pop apostles. Let's move on to another pop culture topic that is really dark, very sad. I just want to offer another trigger warning here. This is a really disturbing case. We're going to be talking about the singer David and Celeste Rivas, the 15 year old girl who was found dead. And we'll get into more of those details. But yeah, I just want to trigger warning here. Definitely proceed with caution.

[Lauren]

So David D4VDS as he is known on September 8, 2025 human remains were found in a Tesla registered to David. And the remains were later identified as those of a missing 15 year old girl, Celeste Rivas. She had been missing since April 2024. The case is being investigated by the LAPD. The cause and manner of death have not been determined. David has said he is cooperating with authorities, but at this time he has not been charged with any crime and he has not been arrested.

[Chandler]

This is what's wild about this.

[Lauren]

There are so many things tying him to this case. Not only the fact that her dismembered body was found in his car, but listen to this everyone. They both had shhh. Tattooed on their right index fingers. Additionally. Okay, this is just so crazy. He had posted, apparently Chandler, he reposted a photo of someone cutting up meat and he put me. If I catch her with another guy.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Do you know this?

[Chandler]

Yeah, no, I know about all this. I mean, and let me just say so I think there's actually even more startling ties. Unless you have more, because I have a few stronger ones.

[Lauren]

I mean, I do have. I definitely have more. Yeah, I was just getting started. Well, so he has.

[Chandler]

I just want to say that the tattoo. A lot of people have that tattoo. Like Rihanna has that tattoo. But it is startling, it is startling that they, that they share it. I mean there's, there's no doubt in my mind that he is behind this.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So he has a song called Romantic Homicide. He has. Okay, so Romantic Homicide. Everyone just realize what obviously that means. But that song was released three years ago. He has a song called One More Dance that was released more recently. The music video came out in February for it. And the music video shows him putting a body into a trunk.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I mean he also has a, like an unreleased song called Celeste. So the these. So Celeste has been missing. I think she like ran away from home and I think she would run away from home a lot. And people in her like middle school knew that she was seeing this guy and apparently he would pay off her friends to not say anything. In fact, there's a Snapchat photo of the two of them and it's. And it's like a selfie and it says like, David and Celeste won't let me sleep. I. It was from somebody they were chatting with or whatnot. And so like there's literally a photo of the two of them together. There's an unreleased song called Celeste. Her friends knew that he was dating her. I believe like she met him when she was 11.

[Lauren]

13 oh, 11.

[Chandler]

She's known him. Since she was. Yeah, I think. I think apparently on social media.

[Lauren]

They met on social media. I mean, it's just so terrifying. And her mom. Her mom said that she was. Said she was dating someone named David.

[Chandler]

Yeah. A couple more things. It's horrifying. So this Tesla that's registered to him was, like, parked in the neighborhood, and it was parked in, like, an odd spot. And so after a while, neighbors called for it to be towed, and neighbors passed it, and they reported it smelling odd, but they thought it was, like, an animal or something. And then it got towed to an impound yard. And then once it was in the impound yard, the people who worked there were like, something is really off about this car. And so that's when they called the lapd, and then that's when all this was discovered. I mean, when is this guy gonna get arrested? Like, it's. It's very clear to me that he should at least be a person of interest. I know that they've, like. I think they've had a warrant, and they, like, raided his house, and he's can't. He's on. He's on tour right now.

[Lauren]

No. No. So apparently the tour is canceled. Yeah, tour is canceled, and he is cooperating, but he has not been arrested. And it just strains credulity that this man is walking free.

[Chandler]

I know. And I think what. What's really sickening about all this is that you just know that he's sure hired some top lawyer to try and let him. You know, I mean, the fact. The fact that you would be so, like, he literally, like, there are remains in a car registered to him, and.

[Lauren]

Then there's all these incriminating details. No, it's absolutely horrific. I feel so much for Celeste Rivas, the victim who lost her life, and then her mother and her family, I mean, who have been missing her for a year, and then the worst happens.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Another really crazy thing is that I believe on one of his photos somewhere, somebody commented. I think this. A lot of this was happening in Discord. Like, not on. In, like, private chats, basically.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

But apparently one of. One of these Discord, somebody commented on a photo and said, who's the girl? And he responded back, and he said, you're a fed.

[Lauren]

He clearly knew he was doing something wrong by dating someone so young. It's just all really, really horrific. Yeah.

[Chandler]

So sad.

[Lauren]

Okay, everyone. Well, it has been quite the episode. Lots of dark subject matter this week, but just getting into all the headlines. Thank you for listening. We'll be Back on Friday for the global elites. Back next Wednesday for all the pop apostles. Love you guys.

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