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The taste smells so good. And made with real fruit. Even better. Whether I'm hitting the trail or meeting my friends on the court, this is my go to on the go snack. Quick, easy, ready when I am. When it's go time, I go with Gogo Squeeze Active. Snag yours on your next door run. Search for Go go squeeze on Amazon. I thought this song was about her dad, about Scott Swift. And I'm just like, why is he telling her that he has like a bigger dick than the devil's? Like drinking brown liquor with like dad like this just introduces some weird elements into what I thought was like a really sweet Chandler. He's got the most intense look on your face. We've been together for like the last hour. But we are here, you guys. We have new Taylor Allison Swift. TS12 is upon us. It's in our ears. We're completely surrounded by it. We're ensconced. We're ensconced. We are popping a little champagne to celebrate this occasion. Everyone. We only have ever drank champagne on the pod for one other holy occasion, which was Taylor's engagement. And I feel like this is only appropriate. Absolutely. Here's you have to go. What does that mean, you guys? Here we are. Apologies for this delay. I'm now wet with champagne. You know what? It's on brand with the album. It's true. Okay, pour me some first. Sorry. Because. Because Taylor gets wet in the album. That what you were referring to. Yes, of course that's what I was referring to. We've been poring over these lyrics, you guys. Lauren, I have not even discussed it yet. I am wiping my hand on this linen curtain. Okay, hold on. We'll see how this goes. Cheers. Cheers. Cheers. This is the pop apologist life of a showgirl listening party. Welcome, everyone. We need to disclaim a few things. Ready? The first is we are. This is. This is like an album reaction episode. This is not. I wouldn't say this is going to be a deep reading of the text because we've only had it for about 12 hours. Well, I came prepared for some deeper readings, for what it's worth. I mean, I did as well. I have. I have many notes. Okay. They're not printed out. I do have my iPad today. I just want to set the expectations. We've only had it for 12 hours. And here's what I think. I think a new Taylor Swift album, it. It evolves, you know. Yeah. And we might in. By the time this releases, we might have so many different thoughts. We're going to. Because we are actually about to enter into a monastery retreat. We're going on a Taylor Swift retreat. We're going on a Taylor Swift retreat. And we plan to only talk about Taylor Swift for the next four days. Yes. We are going to upstate. We're going to update everyone and we're going with the. Or the group chat. The group chat, which I can't say the name of. But anyway, I think when we get back, we are going to have so much. So many more insights to offer. But Here we are 12 hours into this album and recording for you. It is Friday evening. Friday night. We stayed out far too late last night. It was our dear friend Kelsey's bachelorette slash album release party night. It was so fun. It was the most perfect night ever because she's also a huge Taylor Swift fan. So we, like, dance Taylor Swift until midnight. And then clock struck midnight and then the new album was here and we were just. We were in the bar, let's be honest, pouring over the text. You sent a photo in the group chat, which was so perfect. You said this is what it was like as we were listening to the new Taylor Swift album. Do you want to describe that photo? Oh, yes. It was a meme I saw on a friend of mine's Instagram. And it's the Situation Room. Yes. From Osama bin Laden, just Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama. Everyone's hunched forward, looking. Looking at the computer or looking at the tv the body cam, just so focused. And that is exactly what happened. Because here is the thing. I am going to come clean. I'm gonna come clean. Like, I'm not. Are you about to give your take? No. No. Okay. I'm gonna say that we're still on the preamble. On First Blush, listening to this album at the beginning, it was a little bit of like a. It threw me. It threw me. I think we're used to private listening experiences. We are. And I. And I. I opined to you before that I was like, I'm not sure how I feel about this listening, you know, communally to. To New Taylor. Well, imagine my shock is I realize that I've lost or I've forgotten my headphones, so I have no way to listen to it privately, even on my way home. No, it's a horrible thing. And you know what I think? I think it was a struggle, low key for everyone. The listening experience was different for us, but nonetheless, we did finally get to our own private listening experience. The party was so fun, but it was hard. It was hard to like, fully consume the music in a communal environment. But what I will say is I feel like when we got like 1989 vault tracks, I think the reason why those were such bangers right off the back, right off the. From the jump. From the Jump is that we were used to that sound. Right. It was very 1989. Obviously coded. Yeah. And it sounded very cohesive with that album. So that was A, like one of Taylor's greatest works. But B, just sound we were used to. And I think that when. Whenever Taylor does something different, it takes Swifties a minute. I mean, if we remember Tortured Poets, if we remember Midnights. Okay. Midnight's is the only one that I don't understand. All the people that, like, didn't love that from the Jump. I know. I mean, well, I just. I want to talk about this. People not loving her albums from the Jump, kind of generally. I want to talk about that because I think MMA just cut you off. Yeah. I just think that is. That's what everyone wants to do. Everyone wants to say, how do we feel about it? Like, I think that we are all on our own personal journeys to having our own testimony of Taylor Swift. And I think that it does take. It takes you like literally just listening by yourself. Yeah. Before you, like, you can fully get there. Yeah. And I think that. I think that everyone comes to a new album with basically this hope that it's going to be exactly what they want. Yes. So the folklore evermore cult, which I really believe it's a cult at this point. You are part of it. I love those albums, but they are not the ultimate to me. People are part of people. A lot of people, like, only want more folklore evermore. Essentially, I feel like, anyway, whatever that is for you, for me, midnights. If it's not what you want, a lot of times the initial reaction can be. It cannot be pos. All the way positive. Well, and I think it's kind of. I think people would rather be like. I don't know, rather than say they love it. I think people are a little, like, nervous to be like, I love this. It's. It's perfect. Because they're kind of waiting for what everyone else is going to say and think about it. So I'll be honest and say when I was first listening, I didn't love it from the jump because it wasn't what I thought it was going to be. Yeah. And I just have a message to myself. Are you ready for this? Okay. Yes. You're pulling up a text. Well, I have inscription, a writing. I have an important. A very important message that I. I think that if you are going through this as well, and your next time you're listening to new Taylor music and you are contending with it, I want you to remember this important quote. Imperfect people make mistakes. Therefore, please, my dear brothers and sisters, my dear friends, first doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith. First doubt your doubts before you doubt your faith. Okay, I. And that's a deep cut. That is a deep cut. And I think that it could not be more germane in this situation. It actually could not be. It's actually true. It's. It's full. Well, I don't. I don't believe in it in that context, but I absolutely believe in it in this context. Yes, I. And it's. It's Holy word in this context. It absolutely is. And it's. And it's very relevant because once you kind of settle into the new sound and you. Then you kind of get into what Taylor's doing. Yeah. I think almost everyone comes around well and. And loves it. And that is where I have arrived. I love this album. Okay, great. Thank you for sharing. I think as well, what was unexpected? Like. Yes, it was a different sound, but I think we had very. We thought we had been really tipped off to what the songs were going to be about. Yeah, we thought. And you and I did not listen to any leaks. Correct. Correct. Virgin ears. Beyond virgin ears. No. And we. It was like fighting Tooth and nail. To not have the, like, the temptations, the temptresses, like, get to us. Yeah. There were a lot of friends who were listening and. Yeah, it's like, I guess, you know. Yeah. Just by your friends, you shall know them. Exactly, exactly. So we thought we, like, knew what some of these songs were going to be about, and then they did not turn out to be that. And so I think, like, there was a little bit of digesting and processing. Yeah. That had to happen. Which I think kind of like I felt a little bit blue balled at first listen. That's what I'm gonna say. Yeah. I think that. I think that. Especially with the way she set this up on the podcast with Travis, where she was like, everything's a banger. Everything's 10 out of 10. Yeah. And we know he loves 1989 so much. It just felt like this is going to be 1989, part two. Yeah. But it's not. It's live of a showgirl. It's a different sound. And the other thing I want to say is that I believe that this just goes to show what an artist she is. She is not here to just, like, basically churn out the same thing that she knows people love. She is here to evolve and grow. And guess what? Sometimes she's going to be writing lyrics that are so dense, that are so impressive, that are just, like, very, very highly wrought. Yes. And sometimes the bops are going to be a little bit more plain spoken. Sometimes she's going to be Faulkner. Sometimes she's going to be Hemingway. It's called range, bitches. It's the quill. It's the glitter. Yes. And I think that's what bugs me so much. I mean, we need to get to the actual album. But I think what bothers me so much is that people are. I mean, it's literally her words, like, you're only as hot as your latest hit. And. And people want to measure every single song against their favorite Taylor song, their favorite piece of lyrical genius. That's not how this works. That's not how she's creating a body of work. Yeah. And, like, she gets to create an album with songs that have more simple language, that I can still be amazing and beautiful. I just. It really bothers me when people complain about her lyrics being juvenile, even though I am a person who has done that. Yeah. I just think that it's like an attempt to somehow, like, discredit her completely. And she'd be like, travis is such a terrible muse. I saw that too. And you know, we wish William Bowery was back. And it's just like, guys, she ha. She's capable. She contains multitudes. She is capable of expressing herself in all sorts of ways. And sometimes you want to bop to a more chill boss. Yes. And just know what it means immediately. It's also like, maybe she's in a different phase of life. I don't know. Maybe when you're in the depths of depression because you are in a terrible relationship. Yes. Maybe you're going to churn out some more gut wrenching lyrics. Absolutely. Okay. But we should get to it. We should actually talk about the album and not just Taylor Swift theory. Not just rant. Yes. Not just yell. Oh, you guys. Okay, well, let's go track by track. I think that's the perfect way to do it. That's how I've set this up. Let's do it. Stunning. Okay, well, let's start with Fate of Ophelia, obviously. Obviously. I have to just say that this one, I think the first two songs. Yeah. Were initially very hard for me. Not hard, but they were not instantaneously like. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think because they both felt a little literary. Yes. I think. I think that they just felt a little abstract. And I kind of needed, like, maybe less. You wanted a little bit more of a. So high school moment. Totally. Right off that. Just to get me in the mood, to get me grooving. For what it's worth, I've come to enjoy and really like both of these songs. Okay. We're talking about two songs. Sorry, I'm talking about the first two. But let's start. Let's just. Let's dive in specifically to the Fate of Ophelia. Absolutely. I will say I absolutely love the Fate of ophelia. It's a 10 out of 10 for me. Let's just play a little bit for the Pop Apostles. Oh, and one thing I'm gonna say, everyone, we're sticking with Pop Apostles. Okay. It's a good name. I got a lot of people that were like, yo, girl, I go to church. I love the name. It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Yep. So we're sticking with it. So, Papa Paw Souls, let's listen to the Fate of Ophelia for a second. It's. It's such a bop. It's such a dancy song. And I think I. I kind of need to know the lyrics, I think, before I can fully enjoy dancing to it. Yes. And I think that's maybe what also I was struggling with is I Just didn't know the lyrics, so I was like, okay, I like dancing to this, but I want to, like, I want to be fully in the song. Well, okay, let's just play. Let's just play a little bit of the beginning. Beginning. Okay. Because I think that it's really cute because I think it describes obviously, Travis saying on his podcast that he wanted to. Basically, the lyric is, I heard you calling on the megaphone. You want to see me all alone. As legend has it, you are quite the pyro. You light the match to watch it blow. Obviously a reference to TNT Dynamite. The megaphone being his podcast. What? Wait, what? Like, obviously he's referencing TNT Dynamite. Like, she's saying legend has it. Yeah, you're quite the pyro. I know. I know what all of those words mean. Why does it relate to Travis? Because Travis is like, you know, tnt. That's their thing. Oh, no, see, I don't know that. She. She learned the engagement announcement. She put the dynamite emoji. Oh, you're right. Is the chemical name for tnt. Wait, I had no idea about this lore. I just thought it was, like, firecracker, like, sizzling romance. No, that goes back to stop. So, okay, that's great. Okay, so we're gonna listen to this for a second.
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I heard you calling on the megaphone. You want to see me all alone. As legend has it, you are quite the pyro. You light the match to wash.
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I mean, just so cute. It's very cute. So cute. And then it just becomes this total dance bop. And it's like painting this imagery of, you know, Ophelia from Hamlet. I, I, I knew absolutely nothing about Hamlet. Did you? I've not read Hamlet, but I obviously knew about the painting, and I knew, like, I had. I knew immediately. Yeah. So there's a famous painting of Ophelia having drowned herself. I don't know who painted it, but that's. That's how. Oh, yes, yes, yes. Our. One of our friends sent this. Yes. Yeah. And so, so basically, the reference on the COVID is. So I'm gonna actually.
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Yes, yes, I remember this being talked about. Okay, so let me just share this. In William Shakespeare's Hamlet, Ophelia is driven to madness and drowns in a river after the death of her father Polonius and Hamlet's rejection of her. Her death is a tragic culmination of the pressure from the Danish court and the manipulative action of the men in her life. Her passing is described poetically by Queen Gertrude as her falling from A willow tree into a brook. Whether it was an accident or suicide is ambiguous. And so I think that obviously the COVID of the album is very much this, you know, reference to Ophelia drowning. And the song specifically talks about just how in despair she was, and literally, Travis saved her from the fate of Ophelia. Do you have the chills? I have. I have the chills. I have the painting pulled up. Yeah. It's spectacular. It is spectacular. Wow. Okay. I'm already loving the song even more. Right? I mean, I. People are complaining. This album is shallow. Like, get a grip. Literally, get a grip. Grow up. Also, maybe why don't you read some handler? Here's the thing. Literally, though, it's like, if one song is a miss, people are just so ready to throw her under the bus. And, like, that's what separates the wheat from the tares. Well, thank you, Chandler. I completely agree. And also, I will say I think it really speaks to what she talks about in Eldest Daughter, which we'll get to, which is just like, everyone is so ready to have a hot take. And it's so much cooler to be. To hate. To hate than it is to be sincere and to love. Yeah. But anyway. Or to just, like, getting ahead of ourselves. I think people want to fully, like, tank this album if they don't love a song and then have it be some. Also some indication of how she's getting worse. Yes. An indictment of her. Yes. Because they. There's the clip where she's like, you know, I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to sing if I was happy. And everyone's like, the fear came true. It's like, shut up. Literally, shut up. It's not true. This song is such a bop. And also, can I also say that? So there's a lyric. All that time I sat alone in my tower, you were just honing your powers. Now I can see it all. And I just feel like this is basically like invisible string. But if it was a bop, you know? Well, invisible string is. Is a bop to me. What do you mean by that? It's like a dance. A dance hall anthem. Yeah, exactly. Yes. Okay. So is that your favorite lyric? I mean, I think my favorite lyric is, don't care where the hell you've been because now you're mine. I just think I. I like how she just loves him so much. Doesn't give a shit that he's done some corny reality television show, doesn't care that he's actually told Ramon Singer that if a woman doesn't want to give him a blow job. It's a deal breaker on Watch what happens live. Yeah, that's real, everyone. She doesn't care. And guess what? She's kind of do. I kind of agree with Travis. No. Yeah, I mean, that should be a. I just feel. It's like if a guy doesn't want to go down on you, like. Yeah. Mom and dad, Hello. Welcome to the podcast. No. Yeah. Wow. No, she doesn't care. She doesn't care about little Squirrely. No, whatever. Like, the tweets. She's not worried about it. No, she doesn't care, and she's charmed, and I just. I find Big Trav, you know, he's six. Six. He's six. Did you see that? We. Someone sent us a. I don't think we can share that. We won't share. I won't share more details, but I'll just say that we have seen what his clothing looks like. He's such a large man. Yes. Okay, wait. Now I want to get. Before we go fully into that, you know, we'll say that for wood. I might. My favorite lyric. I love it when she kind of. When she switches things. She does this in father figure, but she says, I swore my loyalty to me, but myself and I. And then she changes it to pledge allegiance to your hands, your team, your vibe. Just. It's. It's perfect. And she makes me like football, and that's. That's a powerful thing also. The lands, the seas, the skies. So what she's doing there, she's like, interweaving, basically. I looked this up. I did not know this, but what I looked up was she's interweaving, like, these themes from Hamlet, which is like. I thought she was just talking about our world. No, she's. She basically, like, you know, making a hybrid of modern language and then, like, the land, the seas, the skies. Oh, right. Because. Very Shakespearean. Keep it 100. Modern language. No. Yes. Keep it 100 is not from Shakespeare. Chandler. This is just. It's a great. This is 10 out of 10. It's a great opener. Yes, it's a great opener because I think it's. It's positive. It's. It's smart. Yeah, yeah. It's keen, as. As our. As our intro music would say. Oh, it's absolutely so keen. It's so keen. Okay, should we move to the next one? Let's move to the next one. Okay. I think for this one, I just want to disclaim that I know I'm a Little overdressed today. Oh, what? I'm in all my jewels and my. This feather dress. Obviously. Everyone, this is a nod to this album. This is. It's a perfect color too, right? Yeah, I didn't really have anything that was a perfect color. I mean I kind of got my nails done a little bit, but. And thanks also. I think this is just very us. Yeah. You know, and I'm glad you got all done up. I think it looks beautiful. Thank you. There is no better protein powder on earth than Clean Simple Eats. They make the most incredible protein powder. I have been obsessed since college. Actually, Chandler, you introduced Clean Simple Eats to me. That BYU I remember you telling me this protein powder is so good. It's true, you guys. If you mix one scoop of Clean Simplete's protein powder with ice and water and blend it or just a little bit of milk. Little bit of milk is delicious. It tastes like a Wendy's Frosty. 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If you're ready to find the right therapist for you, BetterHelp can help you start that journey. Our listeners get 10% off their first month@betterhelp.com Popapologists that's better. H E L P.com Popapologists okay, well, let's get to Elizabeth Taylor. Okay. I have so much to say about the song, but let's play a little bit of it first, please.
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Elizabeth Taylor.
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Okay, pause it for a second. Lauren. This song is right up our alley because in the likes of Paul Newman, Marlon Brando. Can't remember the other one. Elizabeth Taylor. I mean, like, she's a girl like us. No, I mean, I. Sometimes I struggle to care about the. The new young celebrities, the Kaia Gerbers, the Apple Martins of it all, but Elizabeth Taylor is right up our alley on this show, this program. I mean. Okay. So much to say about this song. Should we play a little bit more first? Play a little bit more. Ok.
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That view of Portofino was on my mind when you called me at the plaza atene O Often times it doesn't feel so glamorous to be me all the right guys promised they'd stay under bright light they withered away but you blew Potofino was on my mind and I think you know why and if you.
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Okay. Portofino was on my mind and I think you know why. Do you know what that means? I mean, I do. I'll share. Okay. Please. So I could tell you might. Might not. Well, I. Okay. Please. Yeah. Well, this is what I think. So Elizabeth Taylor was proposed to in Portofino. Yes, yes. Yes. Elizabeth Taylor has strong ties to Portofino. Yes. But I think what she's saying. And Elizabeth Taylor is so famous for, like, loving diamonds and jewelry she was always dripping. And I think this song, this is my theory is I'm like, I was thinking about Portofino. I think you know why. Like, she's wanting to get engaged. Like, this is like her song about deeply wanting to get engaged. That is my theory. Okay. I actually think it's definitely. Okay. Okay. The dime. Okay. Yes. I think it's a little bit of a stretch, but I think I Can see her being at this place while dating Travis and thinking about the parallels of her life and Elizabeth Taylor's life. Chandler, what could you possibly get for the girl who has everything and nothing? An engagement ring. Come on. I want to tell everyone about Elizabeth Taylor's connections. Portofino, though. Okay. Okay. So something crazy is that Elizabeth Taylor had four honeymoons and she got married eight times. Yes. And she spent four of her honeymoons at. In Portofino. Yes. At the Belmond Splendido Hotel, which is. You know what? She's a bellman head, just like Ben and I. I mean, it's just so iconic. It's iconic being like, you know what? Actually at my three past honeymoons. We love this hotel. Literally. She's. She's a woman. She knows what she likes. Let's run it back. Let's run it back. It's like, if it's not broke, don't fix it. And so another cool thing is that Taylor Swift has described, like, Portofino as like, Portofino orange glitter. Oh, wait, what? Yeah, so like, basically that's like the, the shade she called, like, a certain run of the vinyls. Okay. Yeah. So Taylor Swift first referenced Portovino during the initial release of this album. And it's vinyl, where she called the shade of orange Portofino orange glitter. Wow. That's the vinyl I got. Oh, it is. Yeah. I'm exciting. I'm so excited. So anyway, I didn't know about any of that. I've never been to Portofino. I must go now. I must make a pilgrimage. We must go. I love this song. I love this song because for me, it really, really rings true for when you just want to go engaged so bad. I'm just struggling with this, this entire read of the whole song. Okay, please share. I don't disagree with you, but I, I, it seems like I think this song is pretty self evident. Okay. It's just about, like, hopefully I want this to last forever. Do you think this is going to be forever? And because Elizabeth Taylor famously did not have, you know, the best luck and love. Yes. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's possible. I mean, either way, that is the feeling that you have when you want to get engaged. Right. It's like you're wanting to lock it down. You're wanting it to be forever. So whether this is specifically about the ring or whether it's about just wanting to seal the deal, the emotion is resonant and it's so relatable. I mean, I am loving all of the References here. Okay, so when she says, you know, we hit the best booth at Muso and Frank's, babe, I would trade the Cartier for someone to trust. But then she says, just kidding. Just kidding. Kind of funny, which is amazing. She says, be my New York when Hollywood hates me. I mean, she is just this. There's just something about this song that is so. What I love about it is it's such a dance bop, but it's also kind of sad. Yes. Well, and I love. It's giving me Maroon, I think, too. Like, we go from the fate of Ophelia, where it's like, I'm saved. I. You know, like, we're good. Everything you've saved me to. Then, like, oh. But, like, it's not. It's not never a sure thing. You don't. I don't totally know for sure. And she's, like, praying to, like, the, you know, this woman in the heavens above from, like, history icon. Well, and as we know from Ed Kelsey, she was getting antsy, and I think that this is the antsy she was. This is when she was antsy. She wrote this song. Totally. So true. Okay, but let's put your reading aside, because there's a couple more cool things I want to talk about here. So I love it. I thought, like, the imagery where she says, I'd cry my eyes violet. Elizabeth Taylor is so stunning. I'd never heard that expression before. I'd never even heard that. And so I did a little bit more research into that. I'd love to hear. So Elizabeth Taylor's eyes were famously described as violet. Oh, really? And they were likely a deep blue that appeared violet under certain, like, lighting and with different makeup. And Taylor's eyes are famously blue. So when you think about the idea of I'd cry my eyes violet, if you mix blue and red, you get purple or violet. Like, I'd cry my eyes violet. So when her blue eyes turned red from crying, they'd naturally shift to violet. Okay. I'm so grateful that you brought this reading to the to of the text to the pod today, because when I saw this lyric, I thought it was like, oh, maybe she's gonna act to Joe because of, like, she'll go back and be in the lavender haze. No, no, no, no, no, no. Which was such. Seeing the colors of red eyes and blue eyes. Such a basic misinterpretation. Right. But everyone knows that that's kind of been your interpretation of this song. It's a very sophisticated reading. Well, it's not just you Know I didn't come up with that. That's on genius. But still, thank goodness there are much smarter swifties than us. Well, I love, honestly, how sophisticated her writing can be. And to me, do we really need more than. I'd cry my eyes violet. Elizabeth Taylor. It's beautiful. It's glamorous. It's giving. It's like. It's like bejeweled, but sad and wistful and just wanting to be with Travis and his redwood tree. I mean, I just think there are people who bring their pitchforks to the listening, and there are people who don't. And I don't bring a pitchfork. I just bring a good attitude. And I just hope that I find a couple more favorite songs, which I absolutely did. Yeah. Okay, so a couple more things I want to call out. So I love this Reddit comment. You know how she says, like, I trade Cartier for someone I trust? Just kidding. And this comment said, paper rings found murdered in the back of a Cartier store. And then someone responded and they said, joe. Never defeating the poor allegations. Oh, my gosh. Poor guy. I know, I know. Rip. Rip. He's still alive, but basically non existent. Anything else about Elizabeth Taylor? We've got quite a bit to go through. No, I think let's move on to Opalite. I mean, only to say that I did put 10 out of 10 next to Elizabeth Taylor. Love it. And I think, like, I actually came into the bar, I had stepped outside, and I. I missed, like, the first minute of the Fate of Ophelia. So, like, I was kind of. I was not totally, like, along for the entire journey. And then when Elizabeth Taylor hit the album, hit for me. Really? Yes. That's when I was like, okay. Yes. We're back. We are so back, baby. No, it's an incredible song. It's an absolute 10 out of 10 banger. Let's move to opalite. Track number three. Also challenge. Do you know this is Travis's favorite track? Yes. I saw that. Okay. So cute, right? Very, very cute. So, Travis, can we play a little bit? Yeah, let's play a little bit. Look, everyone, I'm not a big gemstone person. Yeah, fair. But I'm. I'm. I'm taken with this stone. Well, and I'm. I'm taken with this song. Okay.
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I had a bad habit of missing lovers past My brother used to call.
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It.
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Eating out of the trash it's never gonna last I thought my house was haunted I used to live with ghosts and all the perfect couples said when you know, you know. And when you don't, you don't. And all of the foes and all of the friends have seen it before they'll see it again. Life is a song it ends with when it ends I was wrong.
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But.
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My mama told me it's all right. You dancing.
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I'm, like, having. I don't want us to turn it off. Like, we're so back. We are so back. I just. I. I mean, I'm sorry, but I love the way she's basically saying, like, her. She was so depressed, and then all of a sudden, her midnight dark onyx sky got turned to opalite. I mean, that's an incredible color. A gorgeous color, especially to. To think of the sky as that color. I mean, spectacular. And that's her. That's her life with Travis. Have you seen Travis's eyes, by the way? I did wear blue in honor of his eyes, actually. Okay. Just so you know, his eyes are, like, a very beautiful shade, and this is a reference to his eyes. I mean, they're. I did pull up a hot photo of him last night as we were singing and dancing. Oh, this is the hottest photo of him, too. Oh, well, they are quite beautiful. They're. They're, like, very striking. Yeah, they've got, like. This is. I would love to have eyes like this. Me too. It's got that green and the blue rim. Yeah, no, they're very beautiful eyes, and they kind of do have, like, an opalite vibe. I don't know if he's got a spray tan in this photo, but this is his hottest photo of all time, for sure. This is just a total bop to me. Play it on repeat. I want to dance to it. I want to work out to it. I want to sing it. I want to scream it. I want to do karaoke. I love it. It's great. I love it, too. And I. I just feel like this is one where we don't necessarily need ancient literature to enter the picture. It's fun to just have a simple bop about her sky being turned to opalite. Okay. And I think, like, this, it's just, like, there's lightness. Travis brings lightness to her life. This song is uncomplicated. Yes. And that is okay. And we are allowed to enjoy that. Enjoy it. And that does not mean that he is not a good muse. No, absolutely not. Also, I feel like this kind of. For some reason, I was just thinking a lot about Midnight Rain when I was listening to this, because, you know, she basically says like, all of me changed like midnight. Obviously, to Taylor, color is so important, you know, like, she. She learns that love is golden. Loving him was red. Yes. And I think a lot of times she. She describes, like, her interior life as very dark. Yes. And to hear that now all of a sudden it's an opalite sky. I just. I thank Travis for this. And I'm. I'm so happy that she is so happy. Right. And why would we want her to stay tortured? No, just so that we can have like, a couple more songs to, you know, throw on as we're doing, like, our makeup in the morning. Also, can I just say, like, I. I love the sad songs, but same. We're all getting. We're all growing and maturing with Taylor. We're all entering. A lot of us are entering different phases of our life where we are less just like on the floor about, you know. Totally. I actually was talking to Olivia, very talented interior designer. Yeah. About this. This morning, and she was just saying that this album is something that she feels like she could throw on whenever versus, like, tortured poets, where it's like, I'm just not. I'm not ready to have. We're not down bad at the gym and. And I'm not ready to hear loss of my life. No, exactly. I. Sometimes you just don't want to go into those, like, cobwebs of your brain. Okay. I think that's such a. Such a great point. Point. Right. Because sometimes. That's why I like to sometimes put on like a fortnight because. Or. Or like midnights even. Well, midnights, I feel like, can be pretty torn up. I'm like maroon. I mean, that can just, like, send me to another dimension. Really? Like in a sad way. Yes. I don't know. Not. Not like torture poets, but. Yeah, but I just. I love. I honestly. Call me sacrilegious. I like some Taylor easily listening. It's okay. It doesn't make, like, her songs, her really sad and heavy and, you know, artful songs any less great if she has some easy listening. And this is exactly what this is. And I just think for every girly in a stable, happy relationship, this is a beautiful bop. It's a beautiful bop. It's a absolutely beautiful bop. Okay. There's a little bit of shade towards Travis's ex. You know this, right? No. Oh, my gosh. Okay. I'm so glad you don't know this. So in verse two, she says you were in it for real. She was in her phone and you were just a pose okay. Yeah. So I didn't know what that meant. So basically, like, there's, like, there's a video actually of Travis and his ex girlfriend where he's like, get off your phone. Like, like, you know, you're always on your phone. Oh, for real? And then there's. I think maybe it's the same girl. I can't remember. But, like, she always just, like, would take pictures with him or something. And it was not like the most, you know, earnest, heartfelt relationship. Interesting. Yeah, that's like. That's the lore there. Or that's what people have extrapolated. Wow. Yeah. Anyway. Kind of crazy. So a little. She's throwing shade. I mean, we haven't even gotten to actually romantic, but, like, this album isn't a battlefield. But it's like no stone has been left unturned. No. And I just. I. Sexually. This is definitely her most sexual album, which we will get. We'll get to. I've gotten many, many thoughts. But anyway, so that's another interesting bit about this song. Should we move on to a certified 13 out of 10 banger? I've been listening to this album for the last. I mean, unless I've been asleep, I've been listening to this album. The fact that I'm not able to just, like, have it in my ears this whole time, it's actually kind of struggle for me. No. And there's no joy, everybody. Like, when you are in the afterglow of a new Taylor Swift album and you are just, like, craving the songs. Like, I need to hear this one again. The hunger. When you have a few times and you're ready for that exact dopamine rush again, but you haven't heard it a million times. It is such a unique human psychological experience. It should be illegal or something. I don't like. It's like a drug. I mean, what she. What's the. What's the lyric about? She has the. She puts. I'm ready to get there when you got. Got it for me. She laces her songs with. Not Novocaine, not cocaine. Is it. Are we quoting Halsey? No, we're quoting Taylor. That I put. She puts. She puts, like, an addictive substance in her songs. What's the lyric? No, I'm. Narcotics in my songs. Remember that lyric, baby? What is it from? Put narcotics in all mice. Okay. Definitely from something. And you know what? I'm not letting this go. And I'm not editing this. Narcotics and all my. Okay, I think it's from. It's from. I, I. This Is feeling familiar. I just can't place it. All my songs. Hold on, everyone. I mean, all the true swifties are, like, rolling. I know. They're screaming out now and they're turning and I'm sorry. Who's afraid a little of old me. Okay. She says not one I don't love. Put narcotics and all into all of my songs. And that's why you're still singing. Yes. Yes. Wow. We got there. Thank God. Okay. Okay, let's get back to. Let's go back to track four, which is my number one. Oh. It's like. Well, I mean, I can go to my ranking. It's not my number one. I think it might be my number two. Okay. I mean, fair. It's. It's really hard to pick a number one. But let's listen to father figure.
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The cold pulled up to you in the jack turned your rags into gold. The wind and road lead to the chateau. You remind me of a young. To me I saw potential. I'll be your father figure. I that brown.
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Okay, so I think let's, like, let's set up what the song is about for the uninitiated. Yeah. Because you had an interesting journey with this song. I did. So our dear friend Maren, dear friend of the pod, she said this song is about Scott, and so. Which is true. I thought this song was about her dad, about Scott Swift, and I'm just like, why is he telling her that he has, like, a bigger dick than the devil? Like, drinking brown liquor, Like. Like, this just introduces some weird elements into what I thought was, like, a really sweet family. Okay, so. So I was. How many hours. When did this. How many hours ago did you learn the truth? I listened to it, like, at least six times, thinking it was Scott, her dad, and not getting a single damn word. Okay. But trying to. Trying your damnedest. Trying so hard, and then all of a sudden, she has a bigger dick than her dad. It's like. Okay, so let me just share with you my relief when I found out this is actually about Scott Borchetta, the CEO of Big Machine Records, who sold out her music, essentially. I don't know if it's from under her, but he sold her music. Yeah. Without her permission. Without giving her the opportunity to bid on it or to purchase it herself first. And so this song is basically. It's describing. You know, she says, you turn my rags to riches. Like, basically, you drive me up to the chateau. Like you're the big baller. Yes. You tell me, everyone's gonna know my name I'm your protege. And then basically it talks about how, like, in the end, she's the one who had the bigger deck. Right. Well, should we just play that? It. It's such a. Yeah, it's such an amazing shift in the song. Or switch, I should say, because we go from, like, this, like, kind of bravado. And she's talking about him, and. And he's very Mafia. Like, yes, I protect the family. And I. You've never watched the Sopranos, have you? I, like, love the Sopranos, love all the mafia stuff. And so I love all that, like, imagery in here. And, like, when she's like. Like when she, like, whispers, I. I protect the family. So then it shifts to then her being the father figure actually, like. Yeah. The person who's actually calling the shots. Because, you know, he obviously just thought she was some stupid young person that he could take advantage of. Started at the. At the chorus or the verse where she's just. Where she says, like, you know, what you had to do to get ahead, or. Okay. Also, I do have a quote about this whole time from her that I think might. Might just help. Might be helpful for texture and color. Love it. So when Swift's masters were sold to scooter Braun in 2019, she detailed her frustration in an open letter. Do you remember this? My gosh, you definitely remember this. Because she. She says, for years, I asked. Oh, yeah, yeah. Pleaded for a chance to own my work. Instead, I was given an opportunity to sign back up to Machine, Big Machine Records and earn one album back at a time, one for every new one I turned in. That's basically, like, what Scott's deal was to her. And then she goes on, and at one point she says, anytime Scott Borchetta has heard the word Scooter Braun escape my lips, it was when I was either crying or trying not to. He knew what he was doing. They both did. Controlling a woman who didn't want to be associated with them in perpetuity. That means forever. So it's like he really, like, twisted the knife over. Twisted the knife. Also, remember when Justin Bieber posted, like, you. You know, Taylor Swift. What bought Taylor Swift. You own Taylor Swift and something like that. Yes. And like, the Kanye stuff that's all wrapped up in this. I mean, one thing I will say about Taylor is. Is I just love the way she's not, like, you know, take the high road, turn the other cheek, you know, an eye for sleeping dogs lie. Yeah. I love that she's an eye for an eye kind of bitch. Because you know what? I like a little revenge too sometimes. Honestly, she fudgeing gets to be. Yes, exactly. Like, I also. It's just. It's so gratifying as a woman to not see a woman play the whole, like, just virtuous. I don't. Like, I don't care about money. Yeah. And like, I'm so grateful for my time. Yeah, exactly. You know, like, she did plenty of that, and he, in the end, still screwed her over. So this is where the song starts to switch. And instead of him being the father figure, she turns into the father figure.
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My dear boy, they don't make loyalty like they used to. Your thought is ambition spark the ignition on foolish decisions which led to misguided visions. Led to fulfill your dream. You had to get rid of me. I protect the family. I was your father.
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I mean. Okay, let's just. First, let's talk about this for a second. When she says, your thoughtless ambition sparked the ignition on foolish decisions which led to misguided visions that to fulfill your dreams, you had to get rid of me. Okay, so that's basically saying, like, you know, when you sold. When you. When you sold the. My masters. Yeah, well, and this is another genius annotation. But it says, like, he made foolish decision. He made foolish decisions like getting rid of her masters by selling them off, which led to Taylor leaving his record label re recording her music, which ultimately backfired on him. Okay, this is so good. And then I. This next chorus, like, this is really when it switches. Sorry, everyone. Okay, here we go.
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I protect the family. I was your father figure. We drank that brown liquor. You made a deal with this devil. Turns out my dick's bigger. You wanna fight? You found it. I got the place surrounded. You'll be sleeping with the fishes before you know you're drownin'. Whose budgets on the map? Know who covered up your scandals? Mistake my kindness for weakness and find your car cancel. I was your father figure. You pulled the wrong trigger. This empire belongs to me. Leaving me I protect the family. Leaving me.
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All right, Anybody chills? Fbc. This is one of my favorite lyrics. When she says you want to fight, you found it. I got the place surrounded. You'll be sleeping with the fishes before you know you're drowning. I mean, it is so good. I. I also love whose portrait on the mantle? Who's covered up your scandals? You know, mistake my mistake my kindness for weakness and find your cards cancelled. I just wish I had. I. I want this experience. No, I was literally just going to say, like, Is there anyone in my life that I could, like, cancel their car? I'm like. And just be like. I just like. I want. I want to have revenge. I know. I really want to have some revenge. Sounds so, like, it's just like lighting the match as you walk away. It's just. It's. You know, the song just has, like, big dick energy. And I love it from her. Yeah, No, I love it so much, too. And there was definitely some commentary I saw that was like, I don't need to hear that. Like, Taylor saying her dick is bigger. It's like, grow up. Stop. Because of being such a misogynist. You know? Like, it's okay that she's damaged. Yeah. Yeah. That she's a woman and she's being, you know, that she's being aggressive. Yeah. That's okay. That's like the world we live in. Yeah. And you know, our president not going there. Okay. Perfect. Like, almost like that Maddie Healy, like, intro he used to. And you know what I'm talking about. No. Anyway, just. Yeah, that was a perfect. Perfect non starter. Okay. Moving right along. I actually didn't understand whose portraits on the mantle. Who covered up your scandals? Well, I think that's, like, now whose portraits on the man. Like, who's the bigger. Who's the. Who's covering up all the scandals. Covered up. And maybe she's covered up a few of his scandals. Portrait on the mantel is not just meaning she's the big star. Well, I think she's like. It's like the Godfather. It's like, who's. Like, who's the family boss now? And it used to be Scott because, you know, he was like, the guy who gave her her start. Right. Right now it's her. And also, you're still be sleeping with the fishes. That's like a expression in the Mafia. Oh, it is. Like, about getting killed and then dumped in a body of water. Well, I thought she came up with that. And I'm still gonna. And I just love. Pretend she did. This empire belongs to me. Like. Yeah, it does. Okay. I just want to say one thing. If she really goes and just, like, has a house with a basketball hoop with Trav and we get no more of her, I'm gonna be. That's not gonna happen. That's not. I'm being livid. I. I actually. I'm not going to let it happen. I don't know how that's going to work, but I can't not have more Taylor. No, that's not going to happen. That's not going to happen. Okay. If there is one thing that I post about and get so many responses, Chandler, it's early bird CBD gummies. 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They are crisp, but they're also silky and smooth. And they don't make you feel hot at night. It just literally feels like you're sleeping inside a magical cloud. And mornings, you know, they're already a struggle. And I'll be honest, these don't make it any easier because you just want to stay wrapped up in them. You can try Cozy Earthquake risk free for 100 nights. And if you don't love them, you can send them back. But trust me, that won't happen. You won't want to. And with a 10 year warranty, this is comfort that sticks around. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code pop for 40% off. And if you get a post purchase survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Because your bed should be more than a place to sleep. It should be your happy place. Cozy Earth makes that possible. Let's go to eldest daughter, please. Let's. Let's change up the mood. Yeah, which by the way, you know what I have written next to each other. What? 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10. This is a 10 out of 10 song. This is coming up for me as number three. Okay. This is number three. I didn't do any rankings. I just ranked out of 10. That's okay. No, this is good. This is sadder, but also sweet. It has my favorite bridge on the album. Oh, it does? Okay.
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Everybody's so punk on the Internet Everyone everyone's unbothered till they're not Every joke's just trolling and memes Sad as it seems Apathy is hot Everybody's cutthroat in the comments Every single hot take is cold as ice when you found me I said I was busy that was a lie I have been afflicted by a terminal unique madness I've been dying just from trying to seem cool But I'm not the baddest and this isn't savage But I'm never gonna let you down I'm never gonna leave you out so many traitors Smooth operators first But I'm never going to break that bow I'm never going to leave you now, now.
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Now I mean, to me it's just such like a plain and plaintive, wistful, like, ode to sincerity and to loyalty, fidelity. To just like, to like, what matters. Yeah, I think it's. It's. It's. It's like purity. It's like there. This is. I'm not a bad. This isn't Savage. I think she does such a great job with, like, sad songs that are also very romantic or not like sad, but just like sincere. That almost feel a little bit like, like sad kind of, you know. But they're like deeply romantic and simple and like, they really like. She really just like, bears her heart sometimes. And I love that. Especially coming off the heels of Father figure. No, absolutely. I think that you Know, we get to who Taylor actually is to her core, which is someone who just wants sincere love and honestly wants to bake sourdough bread and, like, you know, play house, basically. I mean, like, make children's purses. She doesn't want to have a bigger dick than Scott Borsa. She just ended up needing one, and she got one, and she. You know. But in her. In her reality, let me just say, this is what she wants. And I want to play this next part because I think it's my favorite. Is it the bridge? I think it is the bridge. And, yeah, I find this to be. Play the chorus again and then the bridge. Okay. Like, yeah, it's. It's spectacular. It's spectacular. Oh, also. Sorry, One last thing. I love it when she says, like, when I met you, I was. Said I was busy. That was a lie. I love that. Like, there's a couple more of those, and I just. I think those are, like, just beautiful. Like, I was lying. How about when she says, when I said I don't believe in marriage, that was. That was a lie. Like, she's. She's just. She's trying to protect herself. Totally. And we've had big dick songs from her before. They're like, I don't believe in marriage or I don't care about that. Totally. Everyone knows 1950s for me. Like, she's showing us her evolution so clearly. And I am so grateful for that. I agree. Okay. So without further ado. Down.
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I'm never gonna leave you at so many traitors smooth operators But I'm never gonna break that vow I'm never gonna leave you now now.
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Now.
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We lie back A beautiful, beautiful time lapse Ferris wheels, kisses and lilacs and things I said were dumb. Cause I thought that I'd never find that beautiful, beautiful life that shimmers that innocent light back like when we were young every youngest child felt they were raised up in the wild but now you're home.
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I mean, Ferris wheels, kisses and lilacs and the things I said were dumb Because I thought I'd never find that. That beautiful, beautiful life. Like, I'm like, I'm actually Verklont for once. I mean, I think because when you have been scorned by many men, as you and I both have. Yeah. When you. Or just by life and you just think that certain scored by so many men that took a turn. Okay. I don't really know what scorn means. All the scorned. Well, I just feel like we've been scorned. Well, you know when you've had. When you have. When it's been a broken road. You know what I mean? You build up your armor. Yeah. And also, I think as a woman dating, you kind of. I think you. You kind of get taught to, like, don't ever bring up marriage. Don't bring up what you, you know, early on. Just keep it light, keep it fun. Don't act like you don't care about that stuff. Be chill. Be chill. Don't be crazy. Totally. But it's like, actually, no. Getting married and committing your life to someone and have. Building a family together. I will say it, everyone. Chandler. I do have, you know, values of marriage and family on this podcast. We do. And we try to not bring them up because we know they anger certain people. But that is actually, at the end of the day, for a lot of us, what brings meaning to our lives. And it's not dumb, but sometimes you have to say it's dumb or that you don't believe in it or that it's. So you don't. For other people, but not you. Yeah. And because. Because you. You have to kind of tell yourself a little bit of that. Maybe some people do believe that, and I'm happy for them, but I think for the most part, it's just something you have to tell yourself to kind of just, like, survive the hell that is finding your person. Yeah, Agreed. I love this one. I love that bridge so much. Incredible. It's an absolutely, like, spectacular song. Yeah. So good. Okay, let's move to the next song, which I will say to me is the biggest disappointment of the album. Ruin the friendship. This. We were sitting there last night pouring over these lyrics, and it's like, we're. We're. Well, and I just remember we're on. We're like, we'll play a little bit. But, like, when I got to. When I. When we got to. Should have kissed you anyway, I was like, okay, we're not getting what I think we're getting. I was like, I can. We can. We can, like, reference Tennessee places. The gay watching the game, her brother's Jeep. Okay. But then should have kissed you. And I was like, this is not a song, like, lively. That just was the biggest Blue ball moment of all time. And you guys should have seen us keeping time with the lyrics. And, like, we were kind of trying to scroll. There's like, surely she's gonna say something. Surely we're gonna get something. But it ends with us and the florist and the three pairs of pants. Justin, she's Talking about Justin. She's, like, riding in Justin's Jeep. I should have kissed Justin. Anyway, beanie didn't actually wash. Watch the effort. No teeth. She's gonna say no teeth or something. Yes. Oh, it didn't. It never came. This is actually a song about a young man who she knew in high school who tragically passed away from an overdose. Yeah. And I guess she did have feelings for him, but she never wanted to ruin the friendship. And that basically, it's about, like, you know, not taking the chance. Yeah. And I think I. I was struggling in real time with this song because I. It starts off just sweet, like, once I processed. Okay, this is not a song about, like, live. This is a song about romance. I was like, okay, sweet song about, you know, what could have been. And then it does get quite sad and heavy when it talks about, like, Abigail called me with the bad news and I went to your grave. I mean, should we play a little bit of it? Yeah, we can play a little bit of it. I mean, it's. It's not a bad song. It's definitely beautiful. I think that, unfortunately, my hopes, just because we only have 12 tracks on this album, I was not anticipating. So I think a song about somebody, like, it just was a little more out of left field. Yeah, it was a little out of left field. But I will say I think I have a little bit more. I'm a little older than you, so I think I have a little bit more of a sentimentality toward mortality. If I'm gonna be completely. Can't. I feel like we're both. I don't know. I think about death, I think more than you. And so I think that's just because you're unmedicated, which you would love. Nothing more than. Taylor recommends medication for me regularly. She's like, you know what's really helped me? I'm like. I'm like a Zoloft ad to you. Okay, so let's play a little. Also, Taylor's. I'm just not allowed to go on Zoloft. I need her to feel for sure. Maybe like, Travis is her. I don't know. And if she would be great. No, she has his mom. Mom says that I'm on pills. That's what mom says. Okay, let's hear a little bit of Ruin the friendship. Actually, let's just get to the part, I think, when she basically talks about Abigail calling because, yeah, it's basically like, I should have kissed you. I should have not cared that you had a girlfriend. Like, I should have you know, just gone for it. Yeah. Okay. Oh, I will also say, when we were listening to this song and I was having my kind of, like, bad first listen, I was a little bit like, why aren't we talking about second period? I didn't love being back in high school. I think it's like, I'm okay to kind of be back in high school in an abstract way. Yeah. But I think when we say second period, it's like, oh, I'm. We're really like, the bell's ringing. Yeah. We're back on the bleachers. Yes. It's hard for me. Yeah. It's hard for me to sing along about second period. Exactly.
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When I left school I lost track of you Abigail called me with the bad news Goodbye and we'll never know why it was not an invitation But I flew home anyway with so much left to say it was know it convenient.
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No.
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But I whispered at the grave should have kissed you anyway and it was.
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I mean, I just find that to be very arresting. No, it's a beautiful. It's a beautiful song. I think that if it was coming on an album like TTPD that had 27 songs. Yeah. I think I would be able to maybe give it. It's like. I don't know. Maybe it's just selfishly, I am a little bit. Yeah, I see what. I know what you mean. But I don't want to speak ill of anybody or, you know, you're not speaking ill. It's lovely. I'm happy it exists. I wasn't totally ready for it on this album. I just love your. I love your diplomatic take. You're like, it's a beautiful song. I'm happy it exists. I'm happy Taylor is happy. Okay. I recently learned that your gut houses about 80 of your immune system, which is basically the whole thing. And this blew my mind. No wonder it feels impossible to operate at your best when your gut is all out of whack. Digestive health is one of those things that's just so easy to overlook, even if you're super health conscious, until suddenly you're bloated, sluggish, and just off. That's why nature's sunshine chlorophyll stick packs are great. They're a gentle plant powered daily detox that supports your gut, helps you feel lighter, and keeps you balanced. You just tear one open, pour it into water, stir and sip. The flavors, lime, apple and melon are crisp, refreshing, and not overly sweet. It actually makes plain water pretty enjoyable. You can do one mid afternoon after a heavy meal, and it genuinely helps with digestion and reduces bloating. It's convenient too. Perfect for travel or just a quick reset. Nature Sunshine packs decades of herbal expertise into this daily little boost, helping your body feel lighter, cleaner and more energized. Get daily detox with chlorophyll stick packs. Nature Sunshine is offering 20 off your first order, plus free shipping. Go to naturesunshine.com and use the code POP at checkout. That's code popaturesunshine.com Popapologist is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Fiscally responsible financial geniuses, Monetary magicians. These are the things people say about drivers who switch their car insurance to Progressive and save hundreds. Because Progressive offers discounts for paying in full, owning a home and more. Plus, you can count on their great customer service to help you when you need it. So your dollar goes a long way. Visit progressive.com to see if you could save on car insurance, Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Potential savings will vary. Not available in all states or situations. Moving right along though, everyone, because we have to get to actually Romantic, which I actually have many thoughts on about and I thought this song was going to be like the most romantic of all of them on the album. Yes, I thought it was going to be how Travis is the only guy actually been romantic, not about that. Literally. Complete 180 I will say this song was spoiled for me by a dear friend of the pod, very close person of the pod who listened to the leaks and so she told me what it was about, why maybe 30 minutes before oh, okay. And it was fine. Yeah, it was fine. It was actually. It was fun to know, but I didn't hear it. Also pause really quick. These are lyrics that we had to pour over multiple times because there's so many. It's not just like a bunch of, you know, the same chorus. There are. Yeah, there's a lot going on Shots fired.
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I heard you call me boring Barbie when you're out feeling great High fives my ex in there and you said you're glad he ghosted me Wrote me a song saying it makes you sick to see my face Some people might be offended but it's actually sweet all the time you've spent on me it's honestly wild all the effort you've put in it's actually romantic I really gotta hand it to you no man has ever loved me like you do okay.
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So this is the diss track to Charli xcx. Yes. I didn't know we were getting a Charli XCX diss track at all. And boy, did we get one. A little bit of lore to back this track up. So. So Charli XCX did open for Taylor on 50. I believe it's 51 shows for the Rep tour. And something interesting is during an interview about it, Charlie said that she felt like she was performing for five year olds. Yeah. And I think that was a moment where Swifties really started to kind of find, like, really kind of irritated and thought that was quite rude. And I can imagine that Taylor was also not loving that remark. I think also to insult the fan base of a megastar that you're opening for and you're also trying to court that fan base, like literally fall in line. Yeah. And I say this as someone who likes Charlie xcx. And she later clarified and she said I. I had been used to performing at clubs, so it just like was an adjustment for me. Something like that. I felt a little bit like. But I think that was the big. Maybe the beginning of the end. And then. And then she puts out a song on Brat. Yeah. Sympathy is a Knife. Should we play a little bit of that? So basically, this song, Sympathy is a Knife, is her talking about how jealous she is of Taylor Swift and how Taylor triggers her and she's just like, she doesn't want her around. She doesn't want to see her face. Like, she hates the way she feels about Taylor. And she's like, is it even real? And I quite like this song. I think this song is a banger. It's also just really good because I think it's like complex. And I think that in this song, she doesn't say Taylor is horrible. No, no. She just says like, I hate the way I feel about her. Totally. She explains herself. Ye. Yes. And she's like, basically this girl. She. It's. It sounds like she's just super jealous and envious. Yeah. And I think too, just like you're a woman in the industry and you're comparing yourself obviously to like the. The biggest. The biggest star that there is. Okay. So let's play a little bit of this anyway. Yeah. Basically, Charlie XCX's now husband is in the 1975. Has always been. Yeah. And his best friends with Matty Healey. Like, they're. They're great school best friends. She's saying, I don't want to see. I don't want to see her on my boyfriend's show. Yeah. I hope they break up quick. Yeah. What's interesting is that Taylor Swift and Matty Healy really were such a flash in the pan romance that, like, for this to have been this annoying to Charlie for we just. It must have been bigger than we knew. I know. But like, for years, like, I don't know, it's just like, it's kind of crazy. Like, even if it was three or four months, was. Was. I feel like Brat, though, came out before all the whole, like, this song's written about you. I'm speaking. I'm writing for you. No, Brat was like, I'm like, Brad. Brad was like two summers ago. And I feel like that was like 2022 was three summers ago. So you think that this was written during that period, like when Taylor and Maddie were, like, fully on and he was coming to Aristotle. Yeah. Oh, really? Because, like. Like, when was. When was the election? Because I just remember, like, Kamala, she was like, Kamala. So brat. And that was like, also in the heyday of brat. Yeah. Yeah. Which I think was the election was two years ago. Yeah. Okay. So actually romantic. Oh. It's also a nod to Charlie's song. Everything is romantic. It is just non stop. Yeah. Like, cheeky. I'm so flattered that you think about me all the time. Yeah. So let's hear Taylor's reaction to Charlie's, you know, thoughts about Taylor. And one interesting part is she basically says in it, she says, how many times has your boyfriend said, why are we always talking about her? So let's see. Scathing, scorned, sending me funny valentine.
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And I know you think it comes off vicious, but it's precious. Adorable. Like a toy chihuahua barking at me from a tiny purse. That's how much it hurts. How many times has your boyfriend said, why are we always talking about actually sweet? All the time. Time you've spent on me. It's honestly wild. All the effort you put in. It's actually romantic. I really got to hand it to you.
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I mean, this song, I think it kind of slaps. I. Oh, it's great. It's not. It absolutely slaps it. Mega slaps. Because you know what? The bitches who can't shut up about you are the ones who are. Yes. They're the most in love with you. Yes. Because you are number. You live rent free in their heads. Literally. It's the most flattering thing. Yes. So this song is great. Oh, I think it's so great. The one thing I will say about it, though, is do you feel like it's a little bit like punching down? I think it's a little Outsized like more sympathy is a knife. Because I think that that song is. Is, like we said, it's less about, like, Taylor's. It's actually not at all about how Taylor's terrible. It's just about, like, this is how I struggle. Well, and my question is. And what I put in my notes is essentially like, there must just be a lot of terrible behavior or, like, horrible things said that we don't know about. I mean, and literally in the first line, I hear you call me boring Barbie when the Cokes got you brave. There's got to be more than that, though. No, I know, but I'm just saying, like, if that. If she felt comfortable enough to put that in her song also. That's just. Just. Yeah, it's just. It's very clear. This is about Charlie. Oh, absolutely. Okay. Should we move on to the next one? Yeah, let's move on to the next one. The next one is my number one. Okay. You know what's so funny about this? As I put this song is the sequel to so High School, so. Of course it's your favorite. Of course it is.
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They want that yacht life under chopper plates. They want those bright, bright lights and balency shades and a fast act with the baby face they wanted. Oh, they want that complex female character. They want that critical smash ponder and an Oscar on the bathroom floor. They want it. Oh, and they should have what they want. They deserve what they want. Hope they get one what they want. I just want you have a couple kids got the whole block looking like you. We tell the world they got to leave us alone and they don't. Wow. Got me dreaming about a driveway with a basketball. I just want you.
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Favorite chorus. Favorite chorus of the whole album. I think her saying got me dreaming about a driveway with a basketball hoop. It's just. It's so cute. It's so cute. Ugh. I. I also love we tell the world to leave us the fuck alone. And they do. It's just like. I don't know. It gives me the chills. We make no promises. Oh, yeah. We won't. We won't. Oh, that's about us. Did you not clock that? I just didn't think about. About me. I know. It' I. We will. We are not capable. I mean, but I'm not. Like, we're. We're not driving to her house. Yes. No. Oh, my gosh. You know, it was so funny. What? We made a joke, you guys. We made a joke basically saying that she got married at her house on Rhode Island. Everyone's invited because it's like, so public. Totally Sona Bluff. Yeah. You can see it from the road. And we were like, let's get a. You know, should we get a boat? Yeah, we'll get a boat. And people were like, how dare you, like, invade their privacy. This is so. We're not getting a boat. Yes. It's called J O K E. It's a joke. It's a joke. It's a joke. Actually going to go to their wedding. You know what, Taylor? Probably laugh. Yes. Yeah. So anyway. Bizarre. Back to the song. This was the first song on the album where I was like, oh, I'm going to need to run that back. I'm going to need to play this on repeat 5 times. I was listening to it on my bike ride this morning. Got teary. It's just, it's simple. I just. I don't know, I like. There's a reason I love the song. Sweet Nothing. Yeah. Like, I. I just love it when she yearns for a normal regular life because she's just like, very happy. Like, being at home with Travis. The one thing I will say. Okay, here we go. It's. It's just like it. She's like, you know, they want a heli on the yacht. You know, they want that life. They want the balency shades in the bright light. Is that a brand Balenciaga? Oh, that is a brand. Chamblanciaga. I just am like, love you, Taylor. But you have eight mansions. You have two private jets. Like, she wants. She has the heli in the yacht. Yeah. She wants the most simple of like a. A mansion. She's not moving to the suburbs in. You know, Casey. Maybe she kind of is, though. I mean. Yes. She's never going to be like, actually a person with like a modest house with a basketball or living any remotely normal life. This, this, this is what I have to say. I think that when you found the one in your heart of hearts, like, and you're ready to settle down, you just do kind of daydream about the simple stuff. I just think in her mind this is true. Like, she is seeing. Yes. The truth. And she is. I think she does have those wholesome values. Yes. She just happens to be a billionaire. You can't blame her. Like, I wouldn't fly commercial if I had her. No. And it's not, it's not about, like, she doesn't want to be rich, but I think she just like, wants, like, normal. Right? She wants normal with him and she, she wants normal and she Wants normal with him. I do have to say, this is not a song for Lisa Barlow. That is such a great point, Chandler. She's. Lisa Barlow is listening to this song and she's getting on Reddit and trashing this album. She's making a TikTok. Yeah. Yeah. Lisa can't relate, okay? She just lives a bigger life. She lives a very different life than Taylor. Yeah, she does big things. I do big things. Taylor can't relate, you know? Oh, my gosh. So funny. Oh, yeah. I. I love this song. I think it's. Again, it's one that doesn't need deep layers of interpretation. Okay. We actually don't need to provide a PhD analysis of the text and reference Shakespeare and explain whatever. We're good. Like, we know what this means and we love it. I think people are, like, asking Swifties with every album to, like, defend your fandom. Like, literally, like, defend your thesis. Yeah. Defend the fact that you still like her, and I'm just sick of it. No, I just want to enjoy it, and I don't want to be scrutinized for continuing to enjoy it. And you know what bugs me the most is when it comes from Swifties. When it's like Swifties. When an album doesn't hit perfectly for them, like we said at the top of the episode, all of a sudden they're try. They basically are, like, tearing her down. Just like she says, you're only as good as your last hit. And I just. I don't like it. Let this girl have a. You know what a house with a basketball. Hope song. Everything doesn't need to be a beautiful allegory. Like, cowboy like me. I know I struggle with that one. I think I'm not smart enough. Oh, cowboy like me. Once you get cowboy like me, which I didn't. I had to be. Can you. Can you teach me this weekend? It's incredible. Okay. Okay. You know, and this next song, we want you to keep this in mind as we get into the next song, which is where if she does become indefensible, where I have to put on my goggles so thick. You guys, we are talking about wood. Let's just play a little. It starts out normal. Great, bouncy, boppy.
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Over me it's under sun I ain't got to forgive me it sounds cocky. Hypnotize me and open my eyes Redwood tree it ain't hard to see his love was the key that opened my.
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Skies oh, just wait, girls I don't.
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Need to catch the bouquet. A hard rock it's on the way. And baby IOUs.
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That one is what? LA. In the club last night. That. That's the one that killed me. The curse on me was broken by your magic wand. You guys, have you ever talked to Ben? Can I just. Can I just remind you of a song that we go. We go from this song. Hold on. I already missed the basketball hoop. We go from a lot from this song. Okay. This song with its darkness. Okay, go from this. You know, in order. In order to change the prophecy. She just needed his magic wand. Like, how do we go from this. Yeah, yeah, it's a good question. I mean, maybe this is the part where we are a little Serena, Joy and Pearl clutching. Yeah. And it's like, back to one of my earlier points, if I may quote myself. Like, we only got 12 tracks. Yeah. I did not need one of them to be a full penis song. Yeah. Care to respond? I mean, so much to say. 1. Were Donna and Andrea briefed? That's my question. I feel like you and I work hard to make sure that this podcast is somewhat listenable to our parents. To our parents. And that we fail constantly. We fail constantly. But we never do this to them. We would never. True. We. We never do this to them. Chandler. Also, what was the process like with Travis? Like her. Yeah. I mean, he honestly must love this song. He probably does. He does. Every guy. I mean, of course he would. Every guy wants a song like this written about them. But I should get an AI jingle for Kagan gone. Yes, you should. As a gift. What's his birthday? It's actually in a couple weeks. That would be. So that's perfect. Yeah. No, this song is a struggle for me. And so we actually listened to the album twice last night. Yeah. And I. I was incredulous. My. My jaw had dropped. I. I am not able to get on board with this song. Yeah. For me, this song, I think it's. I like that she is in her sexual prime. I like that she's loving her life. It's just. It's. It's not for me. But you know what? Like, that's just something I need to work through. I mean, I. I think I'm also just, like, not into, like, singing about penis. You're not. I'm not. And I think if we can also just. I'm trying. I don't know why using the anatomically correct name feels better. But also, let me just say, if you would have told me that we went from the girl who said, you know, now I leave a drawer at your place. And that was like our first nod to the fact that she is having spendovers. Yeah. And other things, you know. Right. That you can imagine. Right. That we would also end up here. That we would end up here. No, I mean, remember the, the very famous clip where Andrea's like, if I had a 10 year old girl in the audience, I'm not sure if I'd like that dance move. Remember that? No, no, there's like a very, there's a very famous clip of Andrea basically saying that one of Taylor's dance moves is too suggestive. This is like from a long time ago. Yeah, it's like so I don't think Andrea pulls the same weight when making decisions about Taylor's art anymore. Yeah. I don't want her to be puritanical. But this song, it's just. Once again, if this was a 27 track song. Great. Throw it in there. 27 track album. Yes. Sorry. Yes. This was a 27 track album. Throw it in there. Right. Yeah, but it, it's there and it's there. Yeah. I can kind of dance along to it, but it's not my. It's. Yeah, it's not going to. Reach for it. Yes. Whenever I have a special event, a themed get together or a beachy vacation, no matter the weather or the moment, I always go to Revolve for the perfect pieces. It's how I make all of my outfits feel elevated and high quality clothes that actually make me feel like me, but better. Okay. Right now I'm obsessed with this blue simchai set I got. You may have seen me post about it. I got it from Revolve and it's just perfect. The minute I put it on, I felt so, so confident. It's just beautiful, but different. And I had never seen anything like it until I saw it on Revolve. And that's the magic of Revolve. It's your go to for everything from chill weekends to concerts, date nights, and all the little moments in between that deserve a little extra unique style. Revolve makes shopping fun and easy. With over 1200 brands and 100,000 styles, curated edits for every occasion, and personalized recommendations, I can find pieces I love without endless scrolling. Plus sizing runs from extra, extra small to 4x. New arrivals drop daily and the quality is always spot on. Whether it's a weekend away, a big night out, or just a little style refresh, your dream wardrobe is just one click away. Head to Revolve.com pop shop my edit and take 15 off your first order with code POP. Fast two day shipping, easy returns. It's literally the only place you need to shop from. That's Revolve.com pop to shop my favorites and get 15 off your first order with code pop shop offer ends October 22nd. So happy shopping. Okay, let's get to canceled, which I'm gonna say I will reach for. And I do think it's a banger. We differ here. Okay.
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You thought that it would be okay at first the situation could be saved, of course. But they'd already been picked out. Your grave and hers. Beware the wrath of masked crusaders. Did your girl boss too close to the sun? Did they catch you having far too much fun? Come with me. When they see us, they'll run something wicked. This way, Cal. Good thing I like my friends. Cancel. I like them cooked in Gucci and in scandal like my whiskey sour and poison sor flowers welcome to my underworld where it gets quite dark. At least you know exactly who your friends are. They're the ones with matching scars.
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Okay. I'm going to tell you why I like this song. Yeah. I find that, like, that beat, that deep base to be so, like, sexy and just, like, So. I just love that gritty. It's. Yeah. It's really. It's such. It tickles a part of my brain that I really enjoy. I agree. I agree. I also like when Taylor goes into but daddy. I love him. Like, I love when she gives a big fu to the Sarahs and Hannah. Yes. And I. I also just love that she is not kowtowing. No, she does not care. Like, it's. It's another example of just like. I don't listen to any of you. Yeah. And I don't care to. And if I hear it, I don't give two. Yes. Yes. And I just like that. So energy. The question that this song begs. Yeah. Is. Is this the Blake song then? Which is what people are saying. Yeah. So my personal feeling. And I'm. I don't think. I'm just trying to comfort myself. I do think this is true. I just think that she would be publicly standing by bike if she really thought Blake was a victim of sexual harassment and was in the right here. I just highly, highly doubt that she's secretly, like, allegiant to Blake. Especially Blake didn't like her engagement photo. Right. I'm following. Yeah. Travis unfollowing. Yeah. Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively. Like, come on. It's an interesting song to keep on the album. To have on the album feels intentional. Some people Are saying it's about Sophie Turner. Yeah, Sophie Turner. Cancellation was very light. Yeah. It was, like, not a thing. Everyone was like, nice try, Joe Jonas. Yeah, I. I know. It's. It's really tricky because you just don't know what this could possibly be about. Yeah. Like, Brittany Mahomes has actually not been canceled. No, I know, but I'm just saying, like. Like, she's friends with people that not everyone loves or, like, people have different political beliefs, you know? I mean, can you imagine, though, this song was about Brittany Mahomes? Like, she loved Brittany Mahomes that much. That's true. I'm gonna need to rethink everything if we got a Brittany Mahomes song and a penis song. Brittany Mahomes love song. Like, she's lost the potty. No, I. I don't know who this is about, but I refuse to believe it's about Blake Lively. Also, because we got insider tea. Gotten quite a bit of insider tea about Taylor's ire towards Blake Lively. Yeah. And I just also think the, Like, Travis unfollowing. Yeah. There's just. I'm sorry, but there's just no way. This is, like, a loyal ode to Blake Lively. Totally. Otherwise, it. I think she would have done it differently. Yeah. Okay, let's go to the next one. But a great, great song. Okay, the next song is Honey. So I'm gonna play a little bit of this. Can I have your initial thoughts on this song? I really like it now, and now I love it. Yeah, I know you were asking you. You're not there yet. I'm not there yet. I need to be, like, instructed. I really, really like it. It's number five for me. Number five. Yeah. And, in fact, I would like you actually to just kind of skip to the. Kind of. To the. Towards the end. I mean, everyone. I love a song. I'm a for love. I'm a for being in love. Songs about love. And I think this is just another one. That's great. And it's. It's beautiful. So I love when she says at the very end. Actually, I'll just have you play it. The bridge. Okay. The bridge after verse two.
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To the floor. Give me more by the paint in the color of your eyes and graffiti my whole damn life, Honey. When anyone called me late night he was screwing around with my mind Asking what are you wearing? Too high to remember in the morning and when anyone called me lovely they were finding ways not to praise me. But you say it like you're in awe of me and you stay until the morning, honey. Would anyone call me sweetheart? It was passive aggressive at the bar. And the chick was telling me to back off. Cause a minute looked at me wrong. He looked at me. If anyone call me honey, I'm standing in the bath. You're white, but you can call me honey if you want.
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I think it's sweet. Yeah. I think that it's not a song that I'm. I don't think I'm gonna, like, well up with tears listening to it. I love the line when she says, when anyone called me lovely, they were finding ways not to praise me. Because I think that like. Like, you know, that thing that people do. Lovely girl. Yeah. Like, when they're searching for another, it's meeting a little Donna. Yeah. I wonder if she's talking about Donna. I know. Yeah. It's giving, like, bless her. Bless her heart. Yes, totally. I don't know. I think the song is sweet. I think it's cute. It's a sweet. It's a sweet song. It's not. It's not terrible. I'm just not, like, balled over. Yeah. And you might get there. I certainly hope I do. Okay. And finally, we've arrived at the title track, the Life of a Showgirl featuring Sabrina Carpenter. Let me just tell you, okay. When the first line. Well, I. Maybe I don't want to give it away. So play the first two lines, and then I would like to say something. Okay.
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Her name was Kitty. Made her money being pretty and witty.
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Okay. So the minute I heard those two lines, I go, okay, here we go. We're back to the 1920s in Rhode island, and it's a history lesson about some. I don't care about. I hate the history songs. And. And this is kind of what's why I struggled. Because the first two songs are a little history. Yeah, they're a little history. I like them. But this one, I was just like, her name was Kitty. And I'm just like, oh, I don't want to hear about it. I don't care. We don't care about Kitty. We just want to hear about Taylor. Literally. Take me back to the basketball hoop. Okay. It is a good song. I love it. I love this. I think it's just so fun to listen to. And I think it. I don't know, there's something about, like, the very kind of cloying, saccharine, sweet way that they say, like, thank you for the lovely bouquet. It's so. If acting could be done in a voice, you really hear this, like, showgirl Right. Thank you for the bouquet. Like. Yes, but you don't want my life. Right. And I'm. This is going to sound so insane, but I think on some level, you know, we do our little program here where we, we put on some sort of show. Yeah. And there was a part of me that like kind of could relate a little bit to some of the things that she was discussing. Yeah. Yeah. And so I don't know, I just, I like it. I think it's kind of a darker song about just like, about like this type of life that's dressed up in this like sweet, sing songy, you know, like way with Serena Carpenter's voice. You know, like, I do love the way she like syncs on it. I mean, it's very good. Their voices sound insane. Yes, they sound very, very good. Okay, so let's play a little more.
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They gave her the keys to this city Then they said she didn't do it legitly. I bought a ticket she's dancing in her garters and fishnets 50 in the cast, zero missteps looking back I guess it was. Was Kisma. I waited by the stage door Packed in with the autograph hounds barking her name and glowing like the end of a cigarette while she came out I said, you live in my dream. Then she said to me hey, thank you for the lovely bouquet. You're sweeter than a beach but you don't know the life of a. So girl bab and you're never ever gonna wait. The more you play the more that you pay? You're softer than a kitten so you don't know the life of a show girl bab and you're never gonna wanna.
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I mean, it's. I think it's fun. No, I do too. I don't dislike this song. Yeah. I mean I. I will say her name was Kitty and it does, it sends me. Yeah. But after I. I'm like, okay. Not actually fully about a different person. No. Like, I get, I get to it. And I think there's something very sweet about Taylor and Sabrina kind of being in different moments in their career and they're both relating to this. I think that's a cool, like aspect of this song. That's such a good point. I didn't think about that one. Should we play a little more? Should we keep playing? Let's play the song. Yeah. We'll keep pausing and interjecting. I'm gonna get hate for not loving the history songs. I mean, I just don't love Last Great American Dynasty. Probably a lot of people that can relate to. Yeah. So I think you're fine.
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She was the menace, the baby of the family. Lennox. Her father hoard around like all men did. Her mother took pills and played tennis. So she waited by the stage door? Asked the club promoter arrive? She said I'd sell my soul to have a taste of a magnificent life. It's all mine. But that's not what show girls get.
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Oh, her boys leave us for dead.
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Hey. Thank you for the lovely bouquet. You're sweeter than a peach? But you don't know the life of a show girl bab. And you're never ever gonna wait. The more you play, the more that you pay? You're softer than a kitten. So you don't. You don't know the life of a show girl ba. And you're never gonna wanna. I took her pearls of wisdom hung them from my neck. I paid my dues with every bruise I knew what to expect. Do you wanna take a skate on the ice? Inside my veins they ripped me off like false lashes and then threw me away. And all the headshots on the walls of the dance. The witches who wish I'd hurry up and die. But I'm immortal now, baby dolls I couldn't if I tried. So I say thank you for the lovely bouquet.
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So good. This song also does a great job of, like, narrative, you know, where it's like. By the end of it, it's like, I wouldn't have it any other way. Well, and I think. Yeah. And she's like, I'm married to the hustle. I also think that. Okay, well, I'm just gonna play the end because I think it's really cute because they basically play actual audio of the Eras tour at the end. I didn't know that. I don't think I made it to that.
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Thank you for the. Love you.
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Thank you for an un Will see you next time.
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Give it up.
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The band. Is that for Sabrina or Taylor? Wow. Yeah, I think too. It's. That's so cute. It's really cute. You know, it makes me like Sabrina Carbon. I already liked her. Yeah. I think it feels like so much more than just a feature. Yeah. It feels like them really telling a story together. Well. And I also think that, like, we've all just kind of been on the Eras tour journey for the past couple of years, so it just feels like a nice culmination. I also think that, like, I was definitely expecting a lot more about the life of a showgirl on this album. I feel Like, Marin relayed that to me that. That your note about this song was, like. It's actually the only one that's, like, about the album. The only part of the album where we talk about the life of a showgirl at all. Life of showgirl is, like, literally not discussed anywhere else. Absolutely. I mean, I don't know if that's, like, the Elizabeth Taylor. No Elizabeth Taylor. Like, there are some threads, but it's not subtle. Yeah. It's. The thread is not woven throughout all of them. No. And I thought we were going to get, like, songs about, like, when she got sick or when there was, like, the threat in. In Vienna or, like, I just thought it was going to be way more totally descriptive of behind the scenes. Getting my six spray tan of the week. Like, stripping off my clothes. Like playing in the rain. Exactly. Oh, playing in the rain. Yeah. Like, second period. Yeah. I. I thought there would be so much more about. I don't know, like, I could do it with a broken heart. Yeah. I thought it was gonna be way more of that. So that was when I commented to Marin when I was on my bad list and which is my first list, I was like, okay, finally, let's talk about the life of a show girl. But, yeah, no, I. I love this album. I love this. I love it, too. It is. I will say, like, is it 1989? Is it, like, is it. Is it Snow on the beach? 12 snows on the beach. No, we didn't. Yeah. That's not 12 sweet nothings. For sure. Sweet nothing. Just, like, that's the song that I like that I would ever say is not very good. And that's your snow on the beach. Well, people are wrong about snow on the beach, so it doesn't even matter. Literally her best song, but a top five anyway. Top three. I just. I feel like there are songs on here that are complete tens. Yes. And they stand on their own merit there. It's its own entity. Yeah. And I. I know that this is, like, essential. Some of these songs are essential. Taylor, listening to me now. Yes. And I think this is. This is kind of true for every album. There's always, like, five, ten out of tens, and then there's other ones that are just more like eights. Yeah. There's gonna be a thank you, Amy moment. There's gonna be a me, Everyone. Shake it off. There's. There's gotta be a shake it off. And you gotta shake it off, bitches. Shake it off, everybody. We love this album. We do. Like, you had your journey. I had my journey. We don't apologize. As our dad would say. It's great. It's excellent. And we hope to be back with you with more thoughts. Okay. Because this is was not enough for me. No, absolutely. And I like this is. We only get these moments every now and then and you need to savor this. I like a deep reading. So we hope after our Taylor retreat that on the premium episode we're gonna be back. We all say is we should have very good information from this retreat. We might do a line by line reading of wood. Oh, we definitely are not gonna be. Oh, at the retreat. Yes. But not on the premium episode. I was like, oh, no. I was thinking for the premium, we're definitely not doing that. Okay, you guys, love you so much. Thank you for listening. This is our weekly episode, by the way, even though it's coming out, we're going to get this out asap so it could come out this weekend at latest Monday. This is the episode for the week. The next episode will be our premium episode on Friday. So just be aware of that. Love you. Bye. Love you. Happy ts12. Happy ts12. This thing on. I'm Kaitlyn Bristowe, host of off the vine podcast where I get real, maybe a little too real sometimes with my friends and celeb guests from Bachelor franchise and beyond. I'm talking guests like Jonathan Van Ness. Na na na na na na na na na na na na na na. Nikki Glaser, Wells Adams, Elise Meyers. Just like in this, like business jacket. Like, I would love some tacos. Heidi d', Amelio, Big brother's Taylor Hale. I have to bring it up because it happened. And we're gonna get through it. What I do and so many more. So come hang out with us, hear ridiculous confessions and get a little vulnerable. Because you know what? We're all just floating on this weird little planet together. Follow rate and review off the vine podcast Wherever you listen to your podcast this October, fear is free on Pluto tv. With horror movie collections from Paranormal Activity.
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The Ring, you will die in seven days.
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