299: J Lo’s Ex Loses It on IG, Gwyneth Fires Back at “Hack” Amy Odell + Prince Andrew’s Total & Complete Downfall

Summary

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Pop Apologists, Ep. 299: J Lo’s Ex Loses It on IG, Gwyneth Fires Back at “Hack” Amy Odell + Prince Andrew’s Complete Downfall

Release Date: October 22, 2025
Hosted by Lauren & Chandler

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Overview

In this episode, sisters Lauren and Chandler dive into the week’s juiciest celebrity happenings, tackling everything from explosive ex responses (J Lo’s first husband’s IG tirade), celebrity PR missteps (Gwyneth Paltrow slams her biographer, Amy Odell), wild brand stunts (Skims’ faux-pubic-hair thong), monumental art heists, and a possible murder among the Spanish fashion elite. They also reflect on personal mishaps and the power of “letting money flow,” all while maintaining their signature blend of dry wit, earnest pop culture obsession, and good sisterly banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up: Brand Trips vs. Real-Life Crises (01:22–09:22)

• Chandler’s Glam Brand Trip: Chandler recounts her experience as a "staff plus-one" on Courtney's influencer trip, joking about being treated as staff only by Courtney, but otherwise enjoying all the luxuries:

  “In Courtney's eyes, I was treated as...one of everybody else, and I got, like, all the stuff, all the perks, and I was absolutely, utterly spoiled.” – Chandler, [02:41]

• Lauren’s Puerto Rico Water Woes: Lauren describes a local water outage disaster, leading to desperate bathroom gymnastics and reflections on her inability to survive a real crisis:

  “Life goes to hell in a handbasket quickly when you don’t have access to water.” – Lauren, [05:13]

  • Personal TMI about “letting it mellow” in the toilet and creative peeing solutions.
• Sisterly Differences: Friendly ribbing about lifestyles, empathy, and “holding space” for each other's struggles.

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2. Money, Energy, and Toxic Savings (09:22–12:10)

• The ‘Money Pond’ Parable: Lauren shares a viral text reflecting on the dangers of hoarding money (“Money must flow. You have to trust that once you let money go, it comes back with friends.”), leading to both sisters humorously justifying recent shopping sprees:

  “If you do not spend [money], it’s like poison. Like, literally, the higher your savings, the more poisoned you are by your own greed.” – Chandler, [10:52]

• Embrace Abundance: Both joke about deploying this “abundance mentality” as rationale for retail therapy.

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3. Celebrity News Hot Takes

a. Kristen Bell & Dax Shepard’s “Murder Joke” Backlash (12:11–19:15)

• Instagram Faux-Pas: Kristen posts about her anniversary, referencing Dax’s off-color humor about never killing her—during Domestic Violence Awareness Month.
  • Public outrage ensues; Lauren and Chandler respond with nuanced takes, noting the difficulty of tracking all "awareness months" and the couple’s typical dark humor.

  “Is it a little bit too intense? Sure. Do I actually think that this is like moving the needle in the wrong direction...No.” – Chandler, [14:23]

  • They question whether calendar timing or joke content is what actually warrants criticism.

b. Skims' "Merkin" Thong Publicity Stunt (21:23–24:21)

• Faux Pubic Hair Thong: The sisters mock Skims’ latest provocative product drop, recognizing the classic viral marketing tactic:

  “This is just the equivalent of Goop's ‘This candle smells like my vagina.’...Brands do this now—have a provocative product moment, get people talking, stay relevant.” – Chandler, [23:06]

  • Discussion of internet overreaction and the importance of lowering "inflammation" over trivial scandals.

c. Gwyneth Paltrow Slams Amy Odell’s Biography (24:21–29:35)

• The ‘Hack’ Author Comment: Gwyneth tells British Vogue she found Amy Odell’s unauthorized biography “badly written” and calls Odell a “hack,” contrasting this with the high-profile male biographers her male peers receive.

  “Why do the men get Walter Isaacson and I get this hack?” – Quoted by Lauren, [25:04]

  • The sisters critique Gwyneth’s directness, suggesting ignoring instead of battling back.

  “The best way to play it is to never discuss it and just act like you do not care. Just be completely above the fray.” – Lauren, [26:31]

  • They agree the book wasn’t outrageously negative but sympathize with Gwyneth’s frustration at being painted by someone without access.

d. J.Lo’s Ex Lashes Out on Instagram (32:04–40:16)

• J.Lo on Howard Stern: J.Lo laments “never being truly loved.” Her ex-husband, Ojani Noa, responds with a lengthy, mistake-laden, passionately accusatory Instagram statement, denying her claim and accusing her of infidelity.

  “Let me just say stop putting us down. Stop putting me down with your victim card. The problem is not us…The problem, it’s you.” – Ojani Noa (read by Chandler), [34:21]

  • Chandler and Lauren break down the drama, joke about the spectacle of “exes clapping back,” and debate if there should be an expiration date for public ex-lashings.

e. College Admissions Scandal Fallout: “Full House” Edition (40:21–46:03)

• Lori Loughlin’s Divorce and Scandal: John Stamos declares Mossimo Giannulli a “terrible narcissist” post-divorce and cheating rumors, and claims Mossimo masterminded the college admissions scam.
  • Discussion on how hard it is to believe Lori was entirely in the dark, and wry takes on prison as “a two-month digital detox.”

  “I was thinking though, two months is about the perfect amount of time to go to prison...You can get some real perspective.” – Lauren, [44:44]

f. Mango Founder’s Mysterious Death (48:47–51:42)

• Possible Patricide: The son of Mango’s founder is under investigation nearly a year after his father's fatal cliff fall in Spain, spurring succession drama comparisons and musings on billionaire family dynamics:

  “Does it make more sense that the heir would push the benefactor off the cliff if they had a bad relationship...or is it more likely he slipped and fell?” – Lauren, [51:33]

  • Chandler points out the corrupting influence of wealth.

g. Louvre Jewelry Heist (58:26–63:43)

• World-Class Art Robbery: A lightning-fast, 7-minute heist at the Louvre results in the theft of priceless jewels.
  • The sisters marvel at the professionalism (armored scooter getaway), speculate about pre-arranged billionaire collectors, lament France's poor museum security, and delight in the “old school” nature of the crime.

  “In a world of crypto scams, this is just so refreshing. This is just old school...just robbing a museum.” – Lauren, [63:43]

h. Prince Andrew’s Royal Demotion (63:58–67:36)

• Exile from Royal Life: Prince William plans to ban Prince Andrew from royal duties, with his duke title already revoked due to his Epstein ties and further public disgrace.
  • Both hosts see it as insufficient punishment:

  “To me, this kind of feels like a big, big W for Prince Andrew, because it’s all the benefits...and none of the duty.” – Lauren, [65:30]

  • They call for stronger consequences, i.e., actual eviction and withdrawal of financial support.

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4. Bonus: Pop Culture Chit-Chat, TV & Books (52:51–57:47)

• Quick TV Review: Lauren panned Netflix’s “The Woman in Cabington” as convoluted and implausible, leading to a broader discussion on the sisters’ preference for realistic media and memoirs versus sensational thriller plots.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you do not spend [money], it’s like poison. Like...the higher your savings, the more poisoned you are by your own greed.” — Chandler, [10:52]
• “Every month is a month for something...I just feel like there’s no way Kristen Bell even is aware of what month Domestic Violence Awareness Month is.” — Lauren, [15:03]
• “Let me just say: stop putting us down. Stop putting me down with your victim card...The problem, it’s you.” — Ojani Noa (via Chandler), [34:21]
• “Can we get, like, unsmashable glass?” — Chandler, [63:13]
• “To me, this kind of feels like a big, big W for Prince Andrew, because it’s all the benefits...and none of the duty.” — Lauren, [65:30]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Welcome & Catch-up: [01:22–09:22]
• Money Flow Parable: [09:22–12:10]
• Kristen Bell/Dax Shepard Drama: [12:11–19:15]
• Skims “Merkin” Thong/Buzz Marketing: [21:23–24:21]
• Gwyneth Paltrow vs. Amy Odell: [24:21–29:35]
• J.Lo’s Ex Responds (Read Aloud): [33:48–38:36]
• Lori Loughlin/John Stamos/Mossimo Scandal: [40:21–46:03]
• Mango Founder’s Potential Murder: [48:47–51:42]
• Louvre Jewelry Heist: [58:26–63:43]
• Prince Andrew Royal Fallout: [63:58–67:36]

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Conclusion

This episode is a buffet of pop culture chaos, with Lauren and Chandler bringing equal parts sharp insight and riotous comic relief as they pontificate on celebrity slip-ups, personal squabbles, and jaw-dropping news from the royal family to European fashion dynasties. If you like your gossip with a heaping side of sisterly snark and cultural critique, this is an episode to queue up.

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Transcript

[A]

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Well, well, well. We are so, so back. Chandler.

[A]

Hello. Hello, hello, hello. How are you doing?

[B]

I'm doing well.

[A]

What are you up to?

[B]

You know, I'm doing well. I just have been. Let's just say I have been dealing with some things on the home front but it's not that exciting over here. You on the other hand, have had a whirlwind beginning of the week.

[A]

It's true, it's true. I've been jet setting. And by jet setting I mean road tripping in a car. I went upstate to Six Bells on a little brand trip as like a tag along plus one to Courtney. I basically was Courtney's photographer for the last like day or so.

[B]

Yeah, I mean I have so many questions about this because you basically went as Courtney's staff so. Yes, I was kind of like, I know these brand trips, they put a lot of money and investment into them. You know, as an influencer. I've actually never been on one so I've just, you know, only seen it in photographs. But you know, there's like monogrammed things and it's all very. It's just like a heavy investment from the brands. So I'm just so curious what your experience was like, as being, like, basically part of her glam squad. Like, were you eating a Subway sandwich in the closet during dinner? Did they throw you in the dish pit? Were you making tinks cocktails?

[A]

For what it's worth, Lauren, okay. I was only Courtney's staff. You know, in. In Courtney's eyes, I was treated as. As one of everybody else, and I got, like, all the stuff, all the perks, and I was absolutely, utterly spoiled. Okay. But I was. I was not, you know, treated as a staff by anybody but Courtney. Really? Yeah.

[B]

Oh, interesting. Okay.

[A]

And that's just like, a role that I'm comfortable with. I've been, you know, I've been kind of her plus one, her photographer in a lot of different capacities. And so this really just, like, paid off. I feel like this was like, this is what I've been climbing towards is like, actually going on a. On a trip, you know, not just, hey, come to this. You can come to this, like, you know, two hour event with me. This was like, actually, you know, this was like, I made it as Courtney's plus one. I have made it now.

[B]

You paid your dues and you got all the way to Six Bells in upstate New York for one night. I'm super happy to hear that you, you know, are living a bit little life very different than the one I'm living. You're Lisa Barlow.

[A]

And I feel like I can't. I can't connect through anymore. It's just gonna. It's gonna be hard for us to kind of find common ground, I think, moving forward. And that's something I wanted to just kind of like, get out there. We should just try to get ahead of that problem. Maybe you and I could go touch some grass together or, I don't know, just like something where we could, like, reach across the aisle, as they say.

[B]

It's just really. It's just gonna be difficult for you when you are jet setting with Blake and Ben and Anna Kendrick, and then you have to, I don't know, get on the behind the mic and talk to little old me. I feel like it's gonna be for you.

[A]

I know. And you know what, Lauren? I just have a lot more empathy for you now because now that. Because, like, it would be hard to be you. It'll be hard to be you. It would have been hard to be you yesterday and today. And so I'm just. I'm holding space for that. Just so you know, I am.

[B]

Can I actually share that while Chandler was on this very glitzy brand trip being pampered and I. Chandler, let's just say this morning was, it was interesting. So I woke up to an email saying that water is out in San Juan, Puerto Rico, where I live. There's some like, major issue with the, with Aqueductos Puerto Rico.

[A]

Okay, okay. What does that mean? That water is out? That's interesting. You, like, live on an island. Do you think water would be in?

[B]

Well, that's definitely not how it works. Yeah, you can't just, you know, hook up a pipe to the ocean. Grateful you're not weighing in on infrastructure here. But anyway, no. So essentially, I don't know, they're doing some repair to the water facility. And because of that, water is out in a lot of places in San Juan. And luckily we live in a building where if electricity is out or if water is out, we don't notice because we have a generator and a cistern, they just automatically turn on. So. So sometimes I will get emails from people or texts or some people will DM when like there's news saying like, oh, you know, Puerto Rico cover in darkness as widespread power outage enters six day or whatever. Though those news articles are always like crazy overblown, by the way. But long story short, this morning, however, it was a real crisis for me because the pump that like, I don't know, powers the cistern or gets the water from it to your apartment, it is not working and that had to be repaired. And let me just tell you, Chandler, life goes to hell in a handbasket quickly when you don't have access to water.

[A]

Wow, amazing perspective you've gained today. Congratulations. I feel like applauding you. Hashtag, this is a crisis really did occur this morning in your life. I hope that Bethany was able to get her, you know, get her ass on her private plane and get there in time. Oh, please. Sorry, were you going to say something?

[B]

Yeah, I want to say that. Do you know what you can't do without water?

[A]

Use the toilet.

[B]

Yes. Like, that's an immediate need for someone like me that pees every 30 minutes. So all of a sudden I'm layering the pee. Ew, ew, ew.

[A]

Number two is a whole other story and I'm not going to get into that, but I think it's. It would be fine if for a few hours there was pee resting on the toilet.

[B]

I'll just say I really couldn't stomach that.

[A]

Thought everyone may say I've changed after this trip and I'm different now. But I just want you to know I'm the same girl who doesn't necessarily always flush after she goes pee in the middle of the night. And that's fine.

[B]

So I will say, I just want everyone to know that little known fact. Chandler, at her house, in the restroom, there's a sign saying, if it's yellow, let it mellow. If it's brown, flush it down.

[A]

I absolutely have that sign. But I'm just like, if it's the middle of the night, I'm not gonna wake myself up more by flushing with if it's just pee. And I wasn't expecting to get on the horn and talk about this today, but I'm like, this is who I am. And I. Yeah, once again, people may say I've changed and that I'm different, but I'm not different. Like I'm still gonna be me and honest and raw.

[B]

I have changed. And I cannot bring myself to let it rest. And so I was holding it and searching hotels frantically because I just this, wow, this was gonna be too much to bear for me.

[A]

You literally were holding your pee. Like you didn't even go once. It would be one thing. No, I mean, we're not on the same page about this. You know how we would have handled this crisis. Hashtag, this is a crisis. But you didn't even go one time and then have a second time come around. And, you know, to let that be the, the driving crisis. Do you know what I'm saying? You didn't go once.

[B]

I couldn't bring myself to soil the bowl. I really couldn't.

[A]

Oh, gosh, you know, we are different. Please don't use that type of language around me.

[B]

So I'm just like furiously looking up hotels. I have to stay here for two more days because I have a thing tomorrow. And so anyway, however, luckily.

[A]

Can you go in the sink? You've done that at my house, haven't you?

[B]

Okay, please don't out me. Chandler. That was the one way Chandler and I got through. Me staying at her apartment in New York City was basically peeing in a cup so that I didn't have to like tiptoe through her bedroom in the middle of the night and use the restroom in her one, one bedroom, one bath apartment. So, yeah, I did do that. Chandler, desperate times, desperate measures.

[A]

So you do that in someone else's house, but not your own?

[B]

I'll be honest, I thought about it, but it just didn't seem Like a permanent solution, you know? Like, I was just like, I need to get out of here. Anyway, the water came back on. They fixed this situation, so all is fine. But I just. I won't survive in a world where civilization has fallen. That is very much apparent to me.

[A]

How long were you holding it?

[B]

For like 45 minutes.

[A]

Oh, wow, that's a lot for you. That's a absolutely a lot for you.

[B]

Other than my water crisis. Chandler, I want to share with you something that I came across for you while you were frolicking with influencers. You want to hear this?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. I'm just actually going to send it to you. It's a very beautiful, I would say allegory or poem you can read to Ben. Your what? You call me your budget watchdog.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because I came across some monetary wisdom that I think anyone who is listening to this, who maybe has a partner who keeps the purse strings tight, I think that this could be maybe an inspiring. An inspiring message. Okay?

[A]

Please play it for me.

[B]

Unfortunately, it's just texts across a picture of two people speaking. And here's what it says. It says, many people work hard to earn money, save as much as possible and avoid spending. What actually happens when we hoard money and don't let it flow? I've seen this many times. When people hoard money, something goes wrong, you get sick or end up paying for it. Money is an outlet. It's like a pond. If there's no flow, the water gets bad. Money must flow. You have to trust that once you let money go, if it comes back without trust, you worry and doubt. Instead of attaching to your money, say, thank you for staying with me. Go bless the world and come back with your friends. The faster you let go, the faster it comes back.

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Is this.

[A]

This is unlocking everything for me. Okay? Like, it's like money, guys. Okay? I'm just like, I'm going to go off right now. Is money. If you do not spend it, it's like poison. It's like. It's like bitterness poison. Like. Like, it will kill you if you let it build up too much. Like, literally, the higher your savings, the more poisoned you are by your own greed.

[B]

Chandler, I think it's so true. I think that people who face money issues in their lives genuinely, it can be potentially because they are saving too much. Okay? And they're. They're hoarding too much and they're not trusting the money. They're not saying, go, I bless you, and just come back with your friends. They're not letting money flow freely.

[A]

Like, talk about having an abundance mentality, you know?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, that's exactly the logic. I'm going to pose to Ben when I tell him that I did buy another three pairs of Levi's today.

[B]

And you know what? Your money pond is not getting poisoned anymore. Okay?

[A]

Exactly. I feel lighter, I feel less poisoned. I feel like my body's less inflamed now that this money has left me.

[B]

Yes, that's exactly right. Okay. And now that it's left you, the quicker it'll come back. Let's move on though, because we actually have quite a bit of celebrity news that I'm excited to chat with you.

[A]

Oh, okay. Please, let's get into it. Where do you want to begin?

[B]

Let's start with the Kristen Bell Dax shepherd anniversary post. So Kristen Bell took to Instagram, everyone over the weekend to commemorate her and Dax Shepard's 12th wedding anniversary. She shared a photo of her giving the actor a big bear hug while the two sat on their bed. And she captioned the photo. Happy 12th wedding anniversary to the man who once said to me, I would never kill you. A lot of men have killed their wives at a certain point. Even though I'm heavily incentivized to kill you, I never would heart. These sentiments angered many commenters, as several pointed out that October is Domestic Violence Awareness Month. So here are a few comments. Someone says, justin, FYI, posting this caption during Domestic Violence Awareness Month is unbelievably tone deaf. Please, please reconsider. Someone else said, that's a wildly sad and insensitive thing to say considering it's Domestic Violence Awareness Month and thousands of women have died at the hands of a man they trusted. Another person said, kristen, there's no way you posted this during Domestic Violence Awareness Month. Okay, Chandler, please share your thoughts.

[A]

Well, everyone, I have the perfect opinion on, on this caption and I'm going to be able to deliver a take on this that is 100% respectful and also non serious and relatable.

[B]

You're going to be able to please everyone here. You're going to be able to make.

[A]

I'm going to please everyone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No, here's my take. The caption is a little bit shocking. It's a little bit jarring. And I also want to say I just think that it is a little bit hard to keep track of like what months are for what things. And so I guess I like, I know that people are going to say this is like it was really toned up of her to post this during that month. I think she didn't know it was that month. Yeah, I think if she had known, maybe she would have withheld, you know, or worked out a different caption, you know, maybe took another 20 seconds to come up with something else. But I just think this is like a part of their, like their brand of humor. They're like, you know, they kind of do a little bit of like a. It's a little bit Ryan and Blake, you know, so Instagram jobs. So I don't know. I'm actually just trying to be like a level headed person. Be like, is it a little bit too intense?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Do I actually think that this is like moving the needle in the wrong direction with. When it comes to domestic violence?

[B]

No. No. I mean, I think you said it best.

[A]

You've never said that before.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Never said that before. In your whole damn life, you've never said that phrase. Everyone, let's just take a fucking minute.

[B]

Well, that's because it just happened for the first time every month after five.

[A]

Years for something of this podcast.

[B]

Yeah. And also 30 years of life. So think about that.

[A]

Wow, I've made it. I've made it many ways over the last day or so.

[B]

No, I mean, as Chandler put it so aptly, every month is a month for something. And I just feel like there's just no way Kristen Bell even is aware of what month Domestic Violence Awareness month is. I didn't know that until today that it's October. And I, you know, I feel tone deaf even as I continue to give these remarks. But I am going to aim for just being, being candid on this program.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, it's like people need to chill.

[A]

She's a good person. I actually think there's like more gravity to getting upset about this just in general, versus being like, how dare you say this during this month?

[B]

I know, it's almost such a good point.

[A]

We shouldn't make this joke. I would almost have more respect and I would take those comments to heart more because it's like, you know, maybe we just shouldn't be making jokes like this because so many people do face this type of, you know, scary violence. But when you're, you want to say, well, you know, during these 30 days, we really shouldn't joke about this when actually nobody pays attention. I feel like to, to what months it is. Because every month is, you know, I feel like it's 10 different months every month.

[B]

No, exactly. It's not even just every month. It's a month. It's 10 different months every month.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wow. You're saying a lot of things very well today.

[A]

I'm very impressed once again, everybody. I have ocd. I think I saw on, like, one of the OCD accounts that I follow, it's like, OCD Awareness month. And even I was like, huh, do we need that?

[B]

Exactly. I also read a comment and someone said it's a joke that they watch a Dateline together every night in bed and talk about the cases and stuff. So that's why he made this comment. They are even good friends with the Dateline host. It's just an ongoing joke with them. And I can see this comment being made in this context. Right. If you watch Dateline a lot with your spouse, like, then all of a sudden this kind of dark humor doesn't have such a malevolent overtone.

[A]

I think the first sentence is kind of like, it's dark humor or whatever. I think it's when he says, like, even though I'm highly incent, incentivized to kill you, that's where it, like, goes a little too far.

[B]

It's a little weird.

[A]

That, to me, is where I'm like, oh, it's not even, like, funny. It's actually just, like, kind of dark and true because of the world we live in. But I think also Kristen Bell and Dax Shepard, I just think. I think they're good people. Everybody. I know people have issues with him. Yes. I really like them. I mean, I don't listen to Dax like I used to, but. And maybe people are going to come for me because of this. But I like the two of them. I'm happy that they're, like, still married. I just, I root for and I champion every couple in Hollywood that that is still together. Like, I don't know. I'm just want to, like, let's just applaud the people who are sticking it out.

[B]

I struggle with Dax Shepard. He kind of seems to me like the Ben Affleck to Kristen Bell's Jennifer Garner. You know, like, he kind of has this really. Is that wrong? It's a wrong take.

[A]

Yeah, it is a wrong take. Dax can be annoying. And, like, you know, I mean, it's rich for us to say because he actually has, like, a wildly successful podcast. But I found his. His podcast to just start getting a little bit, like, redundant. Like, I was kind of hearing the same stories from him over and over again, which is, I'm sure what will happen with us eventually. But he's like, he's quite like a thoughtful Guy, I would say. And I like. He's. He like worships Kristen.

[B]

Oh, he does, yes.

[A]

Yes. And I think I too, I have a lot of respect for him. He's like, sober.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know, Lauren. Maybe do your homework before you judge a book by its cover.

[B]

You know what has really colored my opinion of Dax Shepard? And this is going to sound insane, but it's the intro to the Goop podcast because it. There's a sound bite from him where he says, we didn't find the one. We found people we respected and we made it the one. And it's just kind of like the most. It's just.

[A]

That bugs you a lot.

[B]

That bugs me a lot.

[A]

I don't, I don't mind that quote.

[B]

It's so non romantic.

[A]

It totally is non romantic. And it's not exactly the letters we want penned to us by our, you know, by our betrothed, I guess. Our. They're. We're married now, so betrothed. I don't want Ben to say that to me, you know, and like some type of romantic overture.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I think that it shows that they've been through some stuff and that they like really love each other, I think. And yeah, I don't know. They're also. I respect them a lot because they don't show their kids at all on social media.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like they were one of the first couples to do that. I don't know. I root for them. Everybody come for me if you want to come for me. My DMs are open, but I root for them. Okay, picture this. You have friends coming over for brunch. Everything's cute, the table's set, the candles are lit, the food is out, and the sun hits just right on your living room rug. And that's when you see it. A mysterious stain. That's exactly why I'm obsessed with the green mitt kit from Clean Safe Products. It makes keeping your fabrics fresh ridiculously easy. From carpets to couches to car seats. Even the dry clean only materials. You just spray wipe, rinse the mitt and repeat. It's non toxic, fragrance free and made with just three ingredients, so you avoid the nightmare of getting bleach spots. And because it's soap free, there's no sticky residue. So stains don't just magically then reappear the next day. One bottle of the concentrate makes up to 16 full size bottles of the soft surface cleaner. Try it. Risk free. Clean Safe products offers a 30 day money back guarantee. No questions. Asked go to cleansafeproducts.com pop now to get 15 off the green mitt kit. That's cleansafeproducts.COM pop for $15 off the world's easiest soft surface cleaning solution. You know how every house has that one spot that you think about all day long? Well, for me, that's my bed. It's my little sanctuary. It's my post 5pm dreamland. I swear, the second I crawl under my Cozy Earth sheets, it's like I'm in my own little cocoon. These sheets are made from viscose from bamboo so they actually breathe with you. There's no overheating, no waking up sweaty, Just smooth and temperature regulating perfection. I sleep cooler and I wake up feeling way more rested. Anyone who sees our bedroom automatically gets my spiel about Cozy Earth. How they've changed my life and my sleep forever and how I will never ever go back. You can even try Cozy Earth risk free with their 100 night sleep trial and a 10 year warranty. But trust me, you're not going to be returning these. Head to cozyearth.com and use my code POP for 40% off. And if you get a post purchase survey, make sure to let them know you heard about Cozy Earth right here. Because your bed should be more than a place to sleep. It should be your happy place. Cozy Earth makes that possible.

[B]

Okay, well, let's get into the next just quick thing, which is that Skims has released what people are calling a merkin. I actually don't understand what the word merkin means. Do you?

[A]

It's like man Birkin, but I know that's wrong. Yeah, I don't know. I think we're not plugged in enough to like sexual stuff.

[B]

That's definitely true. But Skims has released a thong with faux pubic hair. Okay. On the front.

[A]

I've ordered every color.

[B]

That's why it's sold out. It's just so funny because this is now everywhere we are talking about it, everyone is talking about it and people are just very much flabbergasted. Know, why would they release this? It's so gh. And it's interesting that it's just working so perfectly for why they created it in the first place, which is to get people talking. Like I have not heard a single person say, this is clearly a publicity product. Like it's just meant to get the news cycle going. Talking about Skims keeping Skims super relevant. People are literally just falling into the trap.

[A]

I think Skims just likes to push the envelope. They want to be provocative. Like, yeah, they want a publicity moment. But I really think with the brand and with. With what they put out, like, they don't want to be safe. They don't play it safe. Like, think about even the nipple bra. When I went to the skim store within the last, like, two months, and that nipple bra is, like, for sale. Hmm.

[B]

Well, okay, there is the nipple bra. There is also the crazy chin strap, which probably is also for sale. I personally think that this is just the equivalent of Goop's. This candle smells like. Like my vagina.

[A]

Yeah. You know, which is kind of what brands do now. It's like, have a provocative product moment, get people talking about it, stay relevant, make a provocative statement, get people talking, you know, have it sell out. Who knows how many they actually made or when they just decided this is technically sold out. Which I think makes it look like it's something that people really want. But really, we have no idea. Many people bought it.

[B]

No, exactly. Also, if you remember from Amy Odell's book on Gwyneth, whenever they would release some crazy product and it would drive a lot of publicity and articles, it would drive website traffic. And a certain percentage of people who come to the website just happen to go, oh, you know, they just happened to buy something. They happen to start clicking around and they happen to buy something. So it's just a very classic, like, brand playbook. And it's hilarious to me that it seems like no one's picking up on that. I mean, when they're talking, I just.

[A]

Think, guys, let's just, like, try to get less inflamed by the Internet. Let's just try to keep our inflammation down. And let's just try to, like, ride the waves of provocative stuff happening and just let's get less inflamed, less up in arms, less mad, less commenty. Let's just take it easy.

[B]

Let's take it easy. Okay, well, you know who's not taking it easy? Chandler is Gwyneth, because she gave an interview to British Vogue. And this is very interesting. So we kind of discussed a little bit of this on the premium episode last week when she gave the quote about Timothee Chalamet and not knowing that he was dating Kylie Jenner. So if you want to hear our take on that, you can listen to that episode. But I want to get into her addressing Amy Odell's book. So she said that she did not read it, but that Brad did.

[A]

Interesting to me that that happened.

[B]

Yeah. And this is what Gwenna said. She said that Brad said, it's as if somebody put in a prompt in chat GPT and said mine every Daily Mail article and write a biography about Gwyneth Paltrow. She was deeply unimpressed. Her default setting of low key mirth momentarily replaced with frustration. She totally missed everything. Gwenna said. The truth of who I am, what my impact is. Brad was like, it's just bad. It's really badly written. She also says, I think it's very sexist. I was like, okay, hang on a sec. Why do the men get Walter Isaacson and I get this hack? You know, I mean, this is very juicy to me.

[A]

I did not like the fact that she said that.

[B]

Insulting Amy.

[A]

Yeah. I just think it's like this hack, Amy's not a. I mean, she wrote about Anna Wintour. It's not like she got Colleen Hoover. No offense to, you know, ch.

[B]

Well, okay. And also, I mean, Walter Isaacson wrote about Steve Jobs. He wrote about Leonardo da Vinci and Benjamin Franklin. Okay. Might as well have written about Einstein. This is kind of a rarefied company to Gwyneth, for Gwyneth to put herself in. Not that honestly, Gwyneth hasn't had more impact on me than all of those people, but. But I will say to the. To humanity and culture at large. I'm not sure that Gwenneth is really in the Walter Isaacson sphere.

[A]

And I think it's kind of rude. I think the word hack, I don't know, it feels gendered to me.

[B]

I think that it just is not the way to play this. Like the best way to play it is to never discuss it and just act like you do not care. Just be completely above the fray.

[A]

And I think at this point she should kind of be a masterclass in ignoring things people say about her.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And so I think the fact that like, she really feels the need to speak out about her thoughts about the book, you know, several different times, it must be kind of like eating her up inside to some degree. And I say this as a person who adores her and who really, like, who really wants to. Wants only the best things for her. But I just. I wish that she was just more like whatever people are going to write. I wish she took more of just like a. A laughing approach to it. Not so critical of. Of the fact that people are writing about her, I guess. Does that make sense?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I think that if she. If she wants to say anything at all, it should come across that she is just laughing it off. For sure. I think that's the best way to play it.

[A]

And she does do that sometimes, you know?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it would have been so perfect if she had just been like, you know, maybe I'll. Maybe I'll read it someday. I'm not sure. I like to know what people have to say, you know what I mean? Just kind of was just kind of whatever, blase about it or had some joke in the can about it.

[A]

I could see her saying, you know, I literally don't have time in the day to give a shit about what people. People are writing about me. Whether it's in the Daily Mail or a biography. Like a well placed curse word. And a kind of, you know, laughing it off remark, I think would have been the perfect way to just approach this. And you know what? I read the book. I didn't think that, like, it wasn't just like the most unflattering portrait of Gwyneth ever. Like, I don't know, I just.

[B]

It wasn't. But I think that, like, I will say in Gwen's defense, I completely believe that Amy had it out for her and was grasping at straws to try to make her look bad. Like, there was so little substance in there into the ways that she tried to make her seem catty and seem like a bad businesswoman. And I don't know, I just. For me, it felt. It felt like Amy didn't get access to Gwyneth and then just decided to not like her or just, you know, just that made her not like her and that spun the narrative.

[A]

And in all fairness, like, I'm just approaching this as like an audience member, as somebody who, like, loves her no matter what, basically. So I'm like, you know, I take the book at the good and I kind of, like, disregard the stuff that I knew was, like, grasping at straws.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I think if you were Gwyneth, it would be like, you know, this person wrote a tell all book about me that was full of lies or at least, you know, full of incomplete truths.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I don't think anyone want. Anyone would want to feel like someone was talking to a bunch of people from your past and trying to paint a portrait of you in bad faith. And so I totally understand where she's coming from. I just don't think this was the way to play it.

[A]

Yeah, agree.

[B]

Agreed.

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[B]

Well, you know who else has something to say? Okay. About their own history? Jlo. Okay, so JLO was chatting with Howard Stern and she was talking about her love life and he asked her. He says, let me actually, I'm Just gonna play it. Do you think you've truly been loved?

[A]

No.

[B]

No. And do you think you really have experience loving someone?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You have? Yeah. And when you can't get that love.

[A]

Back, what I learned, it's not that I'm not lovable. It's that they're not capable.

[B]

They can't love.

[A]

They don't have it in them.

[B]

They need to appreciate the little person inside of them. They have little to give.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You've been in relationship.

[A]

And they gave me what they had. Right. But they gave me all of it, every time.

[B]

But it's this much.

[A]

All the rings, all the things I could ever want.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Try to give me the houses, the rings, the marriage, all of it.

[B]

But they didn't love you. They didn't and didn't know you.

[A]

And I didn't love myself.

[B]

Right. It's tough. This is some journey, right? It is. And, you know, I was thinking about your music. Most of your songs are about love. They really are. They're all about love. Okay, Chandler, you know what?

[A]

They're all about love. You're right, Howard. They are all about love.

[B]

Well, you know, Chandler, who has something to say about this?

[A]

Oh, I saw. Lauren, I saw. Who had something to say about this.

[B]

So JLo's ex, her first husband, fired back in a six.

[A]

Fired back? He did. You mean he called up, I'm sure a tabloid and was like, if you give me 600, I'll give you, you know, four paragraphs on this.

[B]

No, even worse, Chandler. He went on the notes app on his phone and drafted his own formal response, which he posted. Wait, you haven't seen this? But she posted to his Instagram.

[A]

I, like, read his statement. I didn't see that it was via Notes. Notes app screenshot.

[B]

So I might have that wrong. It might not be via the Notes app, but he posted a graphic on Instagram, which would be even worse, honestly. Yeah, agree of his. His exact response to JLo. Okay, so I'm gonna read this, actually, Chandler, why don't you read it?

[A]

Okay. Wow, Lauren, you weren't kidding about this image. It's actually a very moody still of what looks to be ocean water, black and white. And then there is IG text over it. You know, it's an IG font, so it says this is in reference about the recent interview on Howard Stern Show. On the Howard Stern Show. Oh, sorry. She said Howard Stern. He's spelling things wrong.

[B]

Yeah, spelling is not his strong suit. So this is like, basically text overlaid on a moody image.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Okay, so everyone, I'm reading the text.

[B]

So he got into Canva to Firebase.

[A]

No, I think he went into stories maybe and then just like, you know, I could, I could walk everyone through a, you know, demo of how I think he did it. But we'll save that for the global Elites episode. Okay, back, back from the top. This is in reference about the recent interview on the Howard Sturm show misspelled where my ex wife in quotes, Jennifer Lopez, aka JLo said that she quote, never been loved or capable. Ha ha ha. Let me just say stop putting us down. Stop putting me down with your victim card. The problem is not us. Sorry, the problem. It's not us, not me. The problem, it's you. Capitalized you. There's a lot of miscellaneous capitalization. You the one who couldn't keep it in your pants. Capital your. You have been loved few times. You have been married four times and have had countless relationships in between. You have had good relationships, dot dot. Me for example. I was even loved. Well guys, it's kind of hard to read these sentences. I was in love with you. I'm not trying to make fun of this. I think English is their second language. Yeah, I speak literally nothing but bad English myself.

[B]

Yeah, we don't speak a second language. And the fact that this is a second language, much respect. I'm only. I'm laughing at how insane this message is. I don't care about the misspellings and mispronunciations. I'm just laughing that how nuts this is getting.

[A]

I mean it's incredible. We're on now on slide four and we're looking at wall to wall text. I even move out of state, leaving my job, my family and friends behind to support you, to love you, to protect you and care for you. I'm an amazing loving person, great human being, honest, faithful to you. Never lied, never misbehave, never, never cheated on you. I was too good for you. Good all caps. I'm too good of a man for you. But you, you chose fame and fortune both. All caps. Moving a part of our relationship. You decided to lie to cheat on me. And even though I stayed, I even tried to keep the marriage going and alive. You even begged me to stay because at the time you didn't want bad press about you caring more about your career instead of saving the marriage. And I stayed. But you, you when the fast line of your career, stardom, not caring about me. This is a little difficult to read. Once again, you wanted me to continue on cheating and lying.

[B]

I Think you say, like, when the fast life of your career slash stardom came.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

You didn't care about me.

[A]

No, I know, I know. We do need to, like, a little bit of, like, a deciphering that needs to be happening. You wanted to continue on cheating and lying. I couldn't stay anymore and deal with the constant lying. That's why I left you and that's why I divorced you. Capital D, capital Y. Tell the truth for once. Let people know that you are the problem. You should be embarrassed. Capital. Either ashamed of yourself.

[B]

I mean, this is what we need celebrities, exes, and celebrities to do when their ex says something about them in the media, they need to fire off their true thoughts.

[A]

Wait, everyone. We need to also just ground everybody in the fact that. So we're talking about Jennifer Lopez and Onagi Noah. They were married for 11 months.

[B]

And your point being?

[A]

It's long enough to know a person long enough to know what they care about.

[B]

I mean, I have so many thoughts on this. It's just. It's pretty insane that he is taking her to task on Instagram publicly.

[A]

You know what? I kind of want to borrow some of this language for my next email about lamp. Tell the truth for once. Let people know that you're the problem. You should be embarrassed, ashamed of yourself. Mm. Like, what are they gonna say?

[B]

For anyone who doesn't know what Chandler's talking about here, she is currently going to bat against a company that sold her a sham lamp. That's the only way to describe it. And I'll just leave it there. You can listen to that to our Global Elites app if you're interested.

[A]

This is galvanizing language, and I'm going to be borrowing it for my next email.

[B]

I mean, he's not wrong, right?

[A]

I started off reading this, like, because I hadn't read the actual Instagram post. I had just read, like, the copy that was in our outline. I was not really on his side. But now after seeing the arresting visuals and the dedication, like in this Instagram post, like, I'm fully on his side and I. I stand with him. I stand with Anaji.

[B]

I stand with Onagi too. I mean, if you look at his account, he is very ripped. And I think that if she had.

[A]

Stayed with him, if you look at his account, he's very ripped.

[B]

I'm just saying that she would have a wonderful, hot partner to this day who maybe she could have a loving family with. So, you know what? Now he. This guy is a personal trainer, and he's on only fans so clearly, you know, he did not make out well in the divorce from their 11th month, 11 month marriage. And I feel for the dude. What if he genuinely loved her? Let's be real. If he genuinely loved her, it was like a wholesome, real relationship. And. And she kicked him to the curb when fame and fortune came her way. That's a pretty shitty thing to do. And cheated on him.

[A]

I know the cheating is pretty crazy.

[B]

I want to see how long they were together. How long were. Okay, so it was only a two year relationship. They met in 1996. The divorce was finalized in 1998. There is a flip side of me that's like, there should be a statute of limitations on, like, how far an ex is in the past for when he can make these, you know, public statements against you.

[A]

I mean, I also think that. I think JLO also cheated on her next husband after that.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Chris Judd. I guess I'm doing some more research. You know, we should do a JLO deep dive.

[B]

Yeah, we should do a JLO deep dive and discuss all of her paramours.

[A]

I feel like. Let's get to the bottom of this. Like, I would like to know for myself. I would like my own personal testimony, if you will, of, like, JLO and, like, her love life. Like, was she wronged or is she the issue?

[B]

Was she wronged or is. Or was she in. Was she in the wrong?

[A]

Were you silent? Are you silenced? Yep.

[B]

Anyway. Okay, well, you know who will not be silenced? Chandler. I'm really crushing the segues this week.

[A]

I think you are, like, on freaking fire trying to, like. I know I've been cussing a lot, but I don't like saying, freaking, Lauren, you're on fire with the segues.

[B]

It's very juvenile. Okay, Freaking John Stamos. Okay.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Into Lori Laughlin's ex, Massimo Giannulli. I don't know how to pronounce that. Has called him a terrible narcissist. So John Stamos blasted Lori Laughlin's ex on a recent episode of the Good Guys podcast, declaring, I will never talk to him again. So he said, I'm just heartbroken for her right now. She's just devastated. For anyone who is unaware Lori and Mossimo are getting a divorce. The rumors are that she found some stuff in his cell phone and he cheated. So John said on the podcast, she's just devastated for a girl who has lived her life really well. A good person, a good mother, a good wife. I know all of this for a fact to be thrown into into now this separation and, you know, exploding, blowing up of her family in this way. I just hate to see her go through this. I really do. He also says on the show that basically that the entire college cheating scandal was Mossimo's doing and that she. Yeah, he makes it sound like she had no idea what was going on.

[A]

Yeah, well, he served five months and she served two months. So that shows that he had, you know, more knowledge what was happening.

[B]

Yeah, fair.

[A]

I mean, if you go to prison with your spouse, you go to prison because of, like, something that you guys were, you know, in it together on. And then he cheats on you after that. Like, I don't know, man.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, I also think that you got to be pretty bad for a celebrity to be calling you a terrible narcissist on a public podcast, Lauren.

[A]

I think that is the biggest indicator here. It's like, celebrities, I feel like, are they kind of like there's like a code of like, we're not going to talk bad about other celebrities. Like, even look at, like, the Selena and Haley thing. Like, we're going to try to dance around it, whatever. I'm just pulling examples out of my ass. But this is literally him saying this guy's a narcissist, like, burning the bridge, calling him fully out. And, I mean, he must have done some really bad stuff. And yeah, I mean, is John Samos married? Could they ever get together? He's probably married.

[B]

So a lot of people want to know that he is married. John Samos is married. And, you know, he said. He basically said that. That she was just always so nice and so kind and basically was like, she was just like, too nice of a person. And he was kind of more into edgy girls, is basically what he said. And he said that, like, if you talk to her about her time in prison, she's just like, yeah, I met some wonderful women. We have a book club. Like, she's very. Just like a wholesome person. Yeah.

[A]

It is interesting that he's spending a lot of time on this podcast talking about this other person. Like her.

[B]

Yeah, well, he was just asked about it. It was like a 20 minute segment in an otherwise okay, long interview. I will say I have a few thoughts. One is that I think that this guy literally looks like a cartoon character of the bad guy of a villain. And I don't know, like, he's a super, super wealthy businessman, apparently. Like, Lori, clearly her picker was off with him. But the other thing I will say is I think it's hard for me to believe that she was so in the dark. Like, the idea that Olivia Jade got accepted to USC and was on their rowing team. Like, you'd have to be pretty checked out as a parent to not be a little befuddled. You know, when. When Olivia's like, hey, we need to go get the. They need to go get some rose. What do they call them?

[A]

I don't know, like, oars.

[B]

Yeah, we need to go to the ore shop, Mom. Like, aren't you gonna ask why Olivia?

[A]

Right, right, right. I mean, she did. She went to prison for two months. And you know, those celebrity lawyers could, like, they could have done. She really didn't have a lot to do with it. Like, they could have gotten her a much, you know, less humiliating punishment.

[B]

I was thinking, though, two months is about the perfect amount of time to go to prison. Not that anyone should want to go to prison. And I hope I never.

[A]

True. It's like, tone up.

[B]

You just kind of get a. A full digital detox. Digital detox. You get to, I think, get some real perspective on how good you have it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Any dinner party you go to for the rest of your life, conversation gets a little stale. Okay. I mean, don't have much to talk about. You can be like, hey, let's do a little AMA from when I was in prison. I know. Crazy.

[A]

Do you come back with, like, a little bit of, like, a lesbian edge, too? I don't know.

[B]

I know. I mean, it would be really good for this show if I spent a little time behind bars just to tell the tale, literally.

[A]

Lauren, I don't know, though. After the morning that you had today, I don't know that you'd lasted more than 90 seconds.

[B]

If I knew that it was only for two months, I would really just look at it as like, an interesting life experience that I. You know, it's like literally, Chandler, you can get your highlights, you can get your Botox. Just get your nails off so you go in and you're still going to look good when you come out, too.

[A]

I mean, you know how often I like to get my hair done. That would feel like an eternity. That would be cast away level for me.

[B]

That is true. Okay, well.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

One of my favorite fall rituals, Chandler, is walking into a department store and seeing all of the beautiful merchandise lined up. I love seeing the new fall coats. I love seeing the boots. It's just like I'm in a candy store. And in Puerto Rico, we have an incredible Macy's near our house.

[A]

I love going there because I can.

[B]

Stock up on some of my favorite essentials at an incredible price. They've Calvin Klein, they have Ralph Lauren. They have so many brands. We love free people and the price, prices are not as expensive as people would think.

[A]

It's always a deal. There's always some sort of sale. Macy's is kind of like a one stop shop. They have shoes, they have clothing, they have accessories, they have like homeware, they have kids clothes. You can literally get it all. And you know, it's a little bit better than going online because you can just like see everything in person and decide what you want.

[B]

You guys, you gotta go to your local Macy's. They have all the 20, 25 trends. They have weekend in the country, the new boho statement, luxury, so much more.

[A]

I recommend checking out some of the romantic dresses and looks from Rachel Roy. Also they have great leather pieces from Donna Karan and Coach and Karl Lagerfeld.

[B]

Animal print is really big everyone right now.

[A]

It's a huge trend and I find.

[B]

That they have so many great options. If you want a little just kind of like wild print to mix up your fall fashion, they have great options from Steve Madden, Vince Camuto, Sam Edelman.

[A]

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[B]

Let'S talk about someone else who might end up in prison. Okay, we're segueing yet again, everyone, because.

[A]

This one founder is more of an 8 out of 10 than a 10 out of 10. But it's okay, it's okay.

[B]

He might get more than two weeks though, because the Mango founder's son is now a suspect in his death. So in December, Isaac Andic, the founder of the behemoth fast fashion company Mango, died while hiking with his son in Spain. Per the BBC, the 71 year old billionaire slipped and fell nearly 500ft off a cliff. Police initially ruled his death an accident, but now local media outlets say that officials are investigating the death as a possible homicide. And Isaac's son, Jonathan Andick is, is the suspect. So Jonathan, 44, serves as vice chairman of the board for Mango Fashion Group and has worked for the company since 2005. Initially, Jonathan was treated only as a witness in the case, having reportedly told police he'd been walking around ahead of his father when he heard the sound of falling rocks, turned around and saw him fall to his death. But he's now being investigated due to alleged inconsistencies in his statements to police. Apparently other people authorities spoke with described the father and son's relationship as bad, and police are planning to take a second look at the evidence, including his phone records.

[A]

One thing I would like to point out that I think is fascinating here, this happened in December. We are almost coming up on a year.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What has come to light? What has come to light? What clues have been uncovered? I mean, I think they say in this article, like there's inconsistencies, I should say, with his account of what happened. But like in theory it was just the two of them on this hike. So what has come to light that makes them a year later, you know, six, nine months later, dubbing the sun as a suspect, which, like, they wouldn't do that unless they had some pretty compelling evidence. Right. Yeah, I'm just, I'm, I'm ready. I'm ready for the, the miniseries, the limited, you know, three episode documentary.

[B]

I just also want to take a quick moment to ground us in how this is pretty rare, right, to like fall to your death hiking sound like when someone's like, hey, I'm going on a hike, you're panicked. Okay, don't fall, be careful. I mean, obviously there are dangers in the natural world, but this is a pretty freak accident and it's kind of coincidental that it happened to A billionaire with a lot to leave. The person he was hiking with.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's like a freak accident.

[B]

Yeah. And it's a little bit of a situation where it's kind of like Occam's Razor. Like, does it make more sense that the air would push the. I don't. I don't know what the word is. The benefactor off the cliff. If they had a bad relationship.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Or is it more likely that he slipped and fell? It's really sad. It's horrible. It's sad. I should have a more morose tone.

[A]

It's really sad. It's also just very kind of grim, you know? Like, you think about these families where there's all this money and, like, it's like this dynasty and just like, how money corrupts, you know, which is why you need to be spending all your money at all times.

[B]

Chandler, not only do you run the risk of the pond growing poisoned. Okay. By the sitting water of the money unspent, but also the people who, you know, would potentially. Would potentially want it in the case of your death, whether it's a Dax Shepard and Kristen Bell's estate or your son, if you're the founder of Mango. Also, it reminds me of the. The line, I had a dream. My daughter killed me for the money. She thinks I left them in the. Well, you have to realize when. When you're in that position, like, that probably becomes some sort of weird fear you start having.

[A]

Yes, absolutely. Like, your inner circle gets closer and closer because it's like succession. Game of Thrones.

[B]

Well. Well, some people are incentivized literally to kill you.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, Lauren.

[B]

Scary.

[A]

This is scary. Thought we need to move on to a slightly more uplifting topic before we sign off.

[B]

Well, can I share? We're not even close to signing off. Have you watched the new Keira Knightley movie on Netflix, the Woman in Cabington?

[A]

No, I have not. And I'm shocked if you did because that. That is a book that you would not be able to, like, last, because, you know, last through, I should say.

[B]

Did you read the book?

[A]

I didn't read the book, but I. I know it's a book I would never recommend to you because you'd text me after five pages and be like, oh, this is such a slog.

[B]

Because.

[A]

You just had, like, scrolled on your phone for, like, the majority of the time that you were actually reading it.

[B]

Well, you know, I love. I'm very titillated by, like, obviously, like, succession style shows. I love to see luxury yachts. I love to watch rich people. It's one of my favorite things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whether it's in real life or whether it's on television, it's just fun to behold. Anyway, long story short, I watched this movie at the recommendation of a friend. Dear friend.

[A]

Yeah. How was it?

[B]

I think it's one of the dumbest movies I've ever seen.

[A]

Yeah. I knew it, I knew it, I knew it. I mean, I'm not very good at watching stuff that's, like, not amazing. That sounds so annoying. I don't find bad TV to be just, like, enjoyable to, like, sit, you know, and have on in the background. I don't want it in the on at all if it's going to be cringe.

[B]

Well, a friend recommended it to me, so I just assumed it would get better, but the plot actually just gets worse. Like, it actually just starts degrading and it becomes the most convoluted story that I just can't even begin to describe, like, how much credulity is strained as you watch the plot of this movie unfold. And it's so shocking because it has Keira Knightley. It has. Who is that other actor? It has, like, a very stacked cast.

[A]

Yeah. Just with any of those, like, kind of Airport Hudson news books that become movies, it's pretty hard, I feel like, for them to be that good. Like, they're making the Housemaid. The Housemaiden into a book and. Or, sorry, into a movie. And I. I don't have high hopes.

[B]

Did you read the Housemaid? Mm, yeah. Did you like it?

[A]

I read it fast because I was, like, dying to know what happened, but it was very far fetched.

[B]

Yeah. And.

[A]

And I think, like, I was like, I'll ne. Like, I didn't read Number two because I knew, like, it was just going to be some other crazy scenario that's not real at all. Like, I. I want something that feels very possible, which is kind of sad because that's like, those are the shows that, like, literally. I. I'm just now going to go on a small tangent.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If I may. Like, we just finished watching. We watch To Adolescence, which we talked about.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Privately. Which felt very real and very possible and plausible, sadly. And then we just watched the show Task that was very good with Mark Ruffalo, and all of it feels very real. And that those are the shows that leave me crying because I just think about how much hardship and sadness and, you know, how many terrible unknowns there are in the world, and that's kind of the TV that I reach for personally.

[B]

That's why I like memoirs so much more than I like fiction. For some reason, it's just because I just find that I'm actually learning something from it. And it just feels like the stakes are so much higher and I'm so much more interested because what I'm hearing about actually happened instead of something that's like, so, so ludicrous. So I don't. I don't want to give a total or actually, I'm going to give a little bit of a spoiler. And so if you don't want to know kind of what the reveal is, don't listen to this part. Fast forward. But in this movie, basically the plot is that this billionaire is dying of cancer and her husband. Okay, this is so insane. He basically hires someone who he's found through facial recognition technology who looks just like her, and to impersonate her on this yacht cruise and then at a gala and sign over all of her assets to him instead of this charity that she's going to leave it to. So, oh, he murders his wife, okay. And then Kiera Knightley hears him in the next room over, killing her. He throws the body overboard. And it's only a super. It's like it's a boat of like 10 guests, okay? And then he trots out this impersonator for the rest of the trip who's going to pose as Anne, his wife. And it's like, people are gonna know. They're gonna know, like, she's gonna have a different voice, she's gonna have slightly different features, even if they look alike.

[A]

You want to know what strains credulity the most? In any book or in any movie, any work of fiction, it's this facial recognition software. Like, it's like we can just get a camera that'll zoom in on somebody's face and it'll automatically identify who it is. And, you know, all their lookalikes and everything, like, it's just. I don't know, maybe. Maybe the government does have access to stuff like that, but I think that's like. That's the most, like, Spy Matrix technology that just does not exist, I don't think. I don't know.

[B]

No. And also the idea that this person would agree on some level to this scheme, it just. It's all so ridiculous. And it even gets worse from there and more ridiculous.

[A]

I'm not going to name names right now, but I tried to get AI to put a celebrity in a certain photo with me and friends and it wouldn't even do that for me. It was like, this goes against my code of conduct.

[B]

Oh my gosh. The freaking ChatGPT's code of conduct is such a buzzkill.

[A]

I was like, well, could you put a look alike? And they're like, sorry, can't help you. This goes against my code of conduct. Somebody looks akin to this person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Anyway.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

It's pretty annoying.

[B]

Okay, let's discuss the heist everyone is talking about at the loop.

[A]

Yes. I want to just walk everyone through this really quick because please, I saw a fascinating timeline. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because you know how fast this happened, right, Lauren?

[B]

Seven minutes.

[A]

Okay, I'm gonna read it for everyone. Read it to everyone. 9:30am, a truck with a mounted ladder arrives. So it's one of those trucks that like people use to paint or whatever where it's like there's an arm and it extends and someone can be like standing in the little basket at the top, I think is what it's called. So 9:30, truck with a mounted ladder arrives by 9:30. 4. Four minutes later, the thieves have broken into the gallery through the second floor window. Four minutes pass, the thieves are already left on two high powered scooters.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And the things that they've stolen, the cost is like essentially priceless. Like, they can't even like really put a number on it because it's such valuable jewelry and items. And like crowns, I guess. One of the crowns was dropped on the way out. But one of them was taken.

[B]

Yeah. So they stole the crown of Empress. Oh, no, they actually, this is what they dropped. They dropped the crown of Empress Eugenie. So that is still with us, thank goodness. But they stole like, like you said, absolutely historical and priceless artifacts. These incredible crowns and necklaces and earrings and brooches. I mean, it's pretty insane to look at these jewels and know that like when they were worn, it's not like today where you see diamonds everywhere and it's, you know what?

[A]

Yeah, no sparkle, Sparkle.

[B]

In the time of this was worn. Even to see this would be so rare for a person and to actually like wear it. It's just so wild. It's so much history contained in these jewels and it's so cool. And it is pretty insane that these have just been taken and were they were able to take them so fast and right away on scooters.

[A]

Scooters. Lime scooters.

[B]

Like this doesn't say very good things about the French and their security. If this is the. What they got at the Louvre.

[A]

I think that, like, these art heists happen all the time. And so this is one, one very interesting note about this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Which is that, like, the buyers are kind of arranged beforehand. It's not like this is like stolen. And then it's like, let's go try to find somebody to buy this. It's like you found somebody who's interested in these pieces and then they like, get a crew to like, target.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And carry it out. It's like national treasure.

[B]

It's basically like hiring someone on the black market to steal for you. And just at the highest level, I guess. And it is really insane because some comments were like, it's just going to be so sad that they're just going to break these down and kind of like sell the jewels for parts. And I saw that comment as well. Someone was like, no, this is not how this works. Like, this is absolutely. They were paid to get these exact things by someone who wants them. And what I think is crazy is there's definitely like an underworld. And I don't know if we've talked about it before on the show, but there's 100 an underworld of like super wealthy people in other countries. This would never happen in the US Obviously.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like snow leopards in their home. Yeah.

[A]

Like, just like a collection.

[B]

Exotic. Have zoos. They will have just crazy things that are illegal in their possession.

[A]

Well, Lauren, if you watch Chimp Crazy, you'll see that. Or Tiger King. Like, there's plenty of people have, you know, illegal animals. You should actually watch Chim Crazy.

[B]

I think that'd be fun to talk about.

[A]

Did you watch it?

[B]

It's one thing if, like some redneck has, you know, an. An. An illegal animal in their backyard. It's a complete other thing when you are like, living in some crazy house and you have like a zoo of illegal animals, like, maintained by like, totally. That. That is just like such an interesting world.

[A]

Yeah, it's very spooky. And like, you know, there's just obviously tiers of people who just play by a completely different set of rules.

[B]

No respect for the law.

[A]

No respect for the law. Absolutely none. This is crazy. And I, I just, like, don't think this stuff is going to be recovered. Like, I think it's. No, I just saw this interesting infographic and it showed like, some of the biggest art things that have been stolen in the last, you know, years. Last few years. And like, most of them haven't been recovered.

[B]

I just don't understand how the security isn't at a place where within 20 seconds of a window being smashed, someone is there. Or like a team is there. This just seems pretty wild to me.

[A]

Can we get, like, unsmashable glass?

[B]

Many questions, Chandler, and few answers, sadly. But this is. Yeah, it definitely was wild. I will say the Internet's take is pretty hilarious. Like, people on the Internet are very charmed by this heist.

[A]

Oddly, I mean, unfortunately, I think the. The crimes that we see, you know, nowadays so often feel very, just darker. This is definitely sad. And, you know, it's wrong, but it's, like, harmless. No one died. There's no gun violence.

[B]

Well, I think also someone was like, in a world of crypto scams, like, this is just so refreshing. Like, this is just old school. This is in the real world of, you know, just robbing a museum, which I did find to be quite comical. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, Chandler, speaking of crowns, I'm going to segue to other royalty because Prince Andrew is in hot water. And Page Six has reported that Prince William plans to ban Prince Andrew from all aspects, all aspects of royal life, including his coronation when he becomes king. And this is. This is what's interesting. So King Charles has taken away Andrew's title, so now he's no longer a duke. He will always be a prince because he was the son of the queen, but apparently his dukedom is an honorary title, and that was removed from him. And this was removed because of Virginia Guthrie's book, which hit her. Her memoir, which is coming up posthumously. And a bunch of things have been revealed recently that just even more cast him in a bad light. Apparently he sent her Social Security number and photo to his security and tried to dig up dirt on her. In 2011, when some things were coming out about Jeffrey Epstein. And there's like, emails between him and Jeffrey Epstein where he's saying that, you know, he'll. He's kind of has his back or whatever. And so Prince Charles has kind of escalated. I don't know how to describe it. Like, the public disgrace of Prince Andrew to removing him completely from royal life, basically. And this news article is saying that Prince William is going to take it even far further when he becomes king.

[A]

This is an example of a time where I do believe the royal family does have some power to do some things, and I like to see them wield it.

[B]

Can I just say, though, that to me, this kind of feels like a big, big W for Prince Andrew, because it's like, it's all the benefits, which is getting to live in a beautiful estate, horseback ride, you know, get probably waited on by a staff and none of the duty. Like, you don't got to go to anything. They don't even want you there.

[A]

If you want to look at this with a glass half full mentality, I guess you can do that. I don't know why you would, but be my guess.

[B]

I just don't think this is enough. I just think that it's.

[A]

I know, I agree. It's not enough. It's not enough. It's totally not enough. But I, I would like him to be shunned and you don't want him showing up at your charity hospital ribbon cutting. Sorry, I don't want that royal at my thing.

[B]

I just also think that it's annoying that his life is just fully supported by the Crown when he clearly was a sex offender. Like, it's just. Yeah, that it, to me, it's still just like, it's punishment in name only and not any real punishment. It's like, okay, so people aren't going to call him the Duke anymore and that's, that's the worst that the royal family is willing to throw at him.

[A]

Yeah, but were they ever going to put one of their own in prison?

[B]

I mean, I'm not even asking for prison. It's just like, can, can you evict him from the royal. From royal housing? Can you just, maybe you can go to work like the rest of the, like the rest of the world?

[A]

Yeah, he should have to have like an email job now.

[B]

I mean, if he could even qualify.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It makes you wonder though. It's like, what does Prince Andrew have on Charles and William that they're not willing to like, throw him out in the street? Or maybe they just honestly don't care.

[A]

I just don't think they would do that. I just think that's like, that's too much scandal. Then he's like a real liability. I don't know.

[B]

Yeah, well, Sarah Ferguson has also lost her title, so she will henceforth be known not as the Duchess of. I think I forget what. What it was.

[A]

Who cares?

[B]

Who cares? But I would call that too little too late and not exactly justice for Virginia, that's for sure.

[A]

No, absolutely not. Very sad.

[B]

Very sad. Okay, well, we got through quite a lot. Anything else you want to talk about, Chan?

[A]

Nothing else for my end. I'm just happy to be back ensconced with you, Lauren, back, you know, on this podcast, doing what I love to do. And we will be back with another Global Elites on Friday.

[B]

Love you guys. Thanks for listening. Bye.

[A]

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