302: Kim K Fails the Bar, Kris Jenner’s 70th Bday Bash + Who Will Be Taylor Swift’s Bridesmaids??

Summary

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Pop Apologists Ep. 302: Kim K Fails the Bar, Kris Jenner’s 70th Bday Bash + Who Will Be Taylor Swift’s Bridesmaids??

Hosts: Chandler & Lauren
Date: November 12, 2025

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Overview

In this lively episode, sisters Chandler and Lauren serve their signature blend of celebrity gossip, pop culture commentary, and family banter. The main focuses: dissecting Kim Kardashian’s bar exam fail, recapping Kris Jenner’s star-studded 70th birthday party, and speculating on Taylor Swift’s rumored bridal party. Along the way, they also dive into the “Golden Bachelor” drama, influencer party culture, child skincare outrage, and reveal a hilarious family prank.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Catch-Up & The “Golden Bachelor” Deep Dive

• Lauren’s Weekend Obsession (03:23): Lauren becomes “sick in the head” with Golden Bachelor content, binging Gary Turner’s memoir and related podcasts.
  • "This guy is really full of shit." – Lauren (04:21)
  • They roast Gary’s flimsy excuses for lying about his dating history, especially his claim: “I hadn’t dated anyone who'd risen to the level of life partner since Chloe.” (05:18)
  • The hosts are pro-Teresa and joke about starting “Team Teresa” merch and a GoFundMe for her beloved smoothie habit.

2. Family Pranks & Auntie Ethics

• Niece’s Prank Call Story (10:46–15:17)
  • Chandler and Lauren recount being separately pranked by their niece James, who feigned guilt over misusing $20 from her dad.
  • Both sisters try to play “cool aunt,” with Lauren going as far as: “Your dad will never find out about this.” (11:12)
  • They reflect on the sweetness of the prank, with Lauren remarking, “If there was anything actually going on, I would have clued in her parents.” (13:31)

3. Recap: Pookie & Jet’s Hermes-Themed Baby Birthday

• Instagram Influencer Absurdity (18:31–23:29)
  • The hosts mock the extravagance and tone-deafness of an Hermes-themed first birthday for Instagram babies Paloma (Pookie & Jet’s child).
  • Lauren: “I can tell you what I was hoping for…was an Hermes themed birthday party. But Paloma got it. So I'm jealous of Paloma. Officially.” (19:40)
  • Chandler blasts it as “one of the most gross displays” of misplaced values and influencer culture: “Just do a theme on anything else but Hermes…it’s so stupid to me.” (20:49)
  • “Pookie’s gonna Pookie, Jet’s gonna Jet. And honestly, I’m gonna be watching.” – Lauren (23:36)

4. Kris Jenner’s 70th Birthday: The 0070 Party

• A-List Gathering and Royal Gossip (23:36–28:55)
  • Lauren raves about the James Bond (0070)-themed Beverly Hills bash hosted by Jeff Bezos: “I thought 0070 was such an incredible theme.” (24:02)
  • Chandler calls it, “an appropriate theme for a 70-year-old’s birthday party. That makes sense.”
  • The guest list: Bill Gates, Jay-Z & Beyoncé, Mark & Priscilla, Meghan & Harry.
  • They deflate criticisms of Prince Harry and Meghan for “ostentatiousness,” with Lauren delivering a highlight quote:
    • “This family is literally an imperialist, colonizer family. …Fuck all the way off. Let them go to Kris’s 70th.” (26:00)
  • They dissect highly filtered “photo dumps” and laugh about the Kardashians’ confessional lighting: “It’s giving wax museum night at the wax museum.” (28:43)

5. Kim Kardashian Fails the Bar

• Reflections on Resilience (34:40–40:25)
  • Chandler has “an emotional response” and feels bad; Lauren is pragmatic: “I don’t feel bad. …She only had three months to study and she didn’t go to traditional law school. …Many people have to take the California bar exam more than once.” (34:55)
  • They swap family bar exam study stories.
  • Praise for Kim’s relentless work ethic: “Her work ethic is absolutely insane. It’s so incredible. I cannot relate to her drive.” – Lauren (38:32)
  • Kim’s social post on failing the bar gets roasted for being written by ChatGPT: “Falling short isn’t failure, it’s fuel.” (40:13)

6. All’s Fair: The Kim K Legal Drama

• Hot Takes and Cackling Recap (40:34–52:54)
  • Chandler and Lauren unexpectedly love the “Over-the-top, barely tethered to reality” new show starring Kim Kardashian.
  • “It’s supposed to be a crazy, campy, silly show, and it delivers—like, it’s incredible.” – Lauren (41:28)
  • Favorite absurdities:
    • The infamous “ass-out skirt suit look” (43:38)
    • Ridiculous legal plotlines, e.g., scoring a $200M settlement using a “fire-cone-sized butt plug” as blackmail evidence.
    • Kim’s billionaire lifestyle and couture work attire: “Divorce attorneys are not billionaires. …She pulls up to a billionaire’s home.” – Lauren (48:19)
    • Show is designed as a “second-screen show”—easy to follow while scrolling (52:03).
  • Chandler's summary: “This show is like a bottle of screw-top rose on a hot day.” (52:41)

7. Shay Mitchell’s Child Skincare Backlash

• Eye-Rolling & Perspective (56:27–60:04)
  • Shay Mitchell’s “Renee” kid skincare line sparks online outrage.
  • Lauren is dismissive: “This is so overblown and stupid…literally just hydrating sheet masks. …It’s not about beauty standards.” (58:08)
  • Chandler agrees: “As little girls you get little makeup kits. How is this really any different…? It’s just a form of play.” (58:31)

8. Taylor Swift Bridesmaid Rumors

• Speculation & Swiftie Analysis (60:04–63:47)
  • Rumor: Taylor has asked Gigi Hadid, Sabrina Carpenter, and Selena Gomez to be bridesmaids.
  • Lauren: “There’s just no way…she’s gonna have bridesmaids. One, it’s kind of a dated concept…Two, she has too many good female friends to have a hierarchy.” (61:21)
  • Chandler disagrees: “I think she loves a girl gang…I just see her wanting to have that type of moment. She’s a traditional girly.” (61:37)
  • They debate the source of leaks and Taylor’s wedding privacy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On influencer parties:

  • Chandler: “This has to be one of the most gross displays of what you’re obsessed with, what you actually think about…just do a theme on anything else but Hermes.” (20:49)

• On Kris Jenner’s birthday extravaganza:

  • Lauren: “This is a big W for Harry and Megan for me, because I just feel like, yeah, they get to go do fun stuff like this.” (26:54)

• On Kim and the bar exam:

  • Lauren: “Falling short isn’t failure, it’s fuel. That is SO ChatGPT.” (40:13)

• On All’s Fair and Kim’s character:

  • Chandler: “The fact that this was just like greenlit…Yes, we’re going to depict badass, modern-day family law attorneys. …This couldn’t be further from reality. But I’m happy to watch it.” (47:48)
  • Lauren: “Divorce attorneys are not billionaires. …She pulls up to a billionaire’s home.” (48:19)

• On the Kardashians’ photo editing:

  • Chandler: “Everyone is filtered to high hell. …It’s giving wax museum night at the Wax Museum.” (28:43)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Golden Bachelor & Teresa Advocacy: 03:23–09:20
• Niece Prank Call & Family Ethics: 10:46–15:17
• Pookie & Jet’s Influencer Birthday Bash: 18:31–23:29
• Kris Jenner’s 70th/0070 Party, Meghan & Harry: 23:36–28:55
• Kardashians' Photo Filtering & Party Vlogs: 28:55–31:00
• Kim Kardashian Fails the Bar Exam: 34:40–40:25
• All’s Fair Legal Drama Review: 40:34–52:54
• Shay Mitchell’s Kid Skincare Drama: 56:27–60:04
• Taylor Swift’s Bridesmaid Rumors: 60:04–63:47

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Tone & Style

The hosts maintain a tone that’s equal parts snarky, affectionate, irreverent, and gossipy. They’re self-aware, poking fun at their own obsession with celebrity culture and family antics while offering surprisingly nuanced takes—especially on influencer excess, celebrity work ethic, and pop culture’s relationship to privacy.

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Summary Takeaway

Whether you’re in it for the latest on Kim K’s legal battle, the spectacle of billionaire birthday parties, or just the comfort of sisters riffing on culture and family, this episode delivers laughs, eye rolls, and plenty to discuss at your own next group chat or family barbecue.

Transcript

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[A]

Well, well, well. Another episode of Pop Apologists, our podcast. It's Chandler Lauren. Greet us.

[B]

Greetings, everyone. So great to be gathered here with you all today on this very wonderful. I'll be honest, it's a Tuesday when Chandler and I are recording. Chandler, you look resplendent. A vision in your maroon bedroom.

[A]

Were you gonna lie about which day it was you said? I'll be honest.

[B]

It's a Tuesday.

[A]

Are you planning on lying?

[B]

I feel like it takes people out of the moment. I actually had a friend recently. It was Wednesday morning and they're like, oh, you can't go. Cause you'll be recording. Like a lot of people, I think they forget that we don't actually record the same day we release the shows.

[A]

Yes, well, it is Tuesday, everyone. We're not gonna lie to you. There is quite a bit to get into, but anything kind of on the personal front, anything in your life. It just got extremely cold here. Like yesterday it was in the 60s and then by nightfall. By nightfall. It sounds really dramatic.

[B]

Are you okay?

[A]

Yeah, I'm great.

[B]

Because You're. You were asking me a question, but then you went into. You like, had Tourette's and went into this weather tangent.

[A]

Oh, I'm just pulling a page from your book and monologuing. Anyway, yesterday that. By nightfall. Back to what I was saying, by nightfall. It turned. It was like 38 degrees last night, so it's really cold here. Be prepared when you come up for our recording with Layla. It's going to be a chilly one.

[B]

Okay, that's good to know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We are recording with Layla from the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, so. Well, if you're hearing this Wednesday morning, we don't record with her until Thursday morning, so there's still time. You can send us any questions you have for her. Feel free to send us a DM with a question for Layla. I'm super excited. It's going to be a quick trip. I'm actually coming up to New York every week this month, which is kind of hectic, but you know what? I'm gonna do it.

[A]

We're excited to have you.

[B]

Okay. Can I tell you about the insane weekend I had?

[A]

Please tell me.

[B]

I was compelled to not only listen to the entirety of Gary Turner's memoir, but then I listened to every podcast he had been on and I re listened to the episode of Teresa on the podcast she went on. So I had a full Golden Bachelor themed wedding and. And I was riveted all weekend by this content.

[A]

You're sick in the head. You're absolutely sick. I mean, I don't even know where to begin. I know you listen to the whole book in one weekend and then you re. Listen to the interviews and. Yeah, I mean, I was trying to recommend you a book that's actually quite interesting and you were like, I'm kind of like all in on Gary's right now, and I didn't realize that you actually were going to take it to the finish line. I. I'm so surprised.

[B]

I mean, it was only a six hour audio experience. I could have listened to double. I'll be. I'll be real. Maybe triple.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. So what are your thoughts?

[B]

I mean, this guy is really full of shit. Okay. And I think I just want to. I don't want to dwell so much on Gary, so I'm just gonna share one.

[A]

You don't. Your actions say otherwise. Like you don't want to dwell so much on Gary.

[B]

Well, I want to dwell on him personally in my personal time, but I feel like everyone might be kind of tired of the Gary content.

[A]

Yeah, this Guy, this D list celebrity from like four years ago, this 74.

[B]

Year old from Indiana. No offense to our listeners in Indiana. But anyway, so he has this part in the memoir where he talks about that Hollywood Reporter article coming out, you know.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And he was like, he's talking in the memoir and he's saying that, you know, they expose him, essentially exposing quotes as having dated since Tony's death. And he. When he was on the show, he said he hadn't dated since his late wife passed away. Okay.

[A]

Correct. And this is what he says. This is his excuse.

[B]

This is his rationalization that he was telling the truth. He goes, what I should have said was that I hadn't dated anyone who'd risen to the level of a life partner since Chloe. And I'm just like, what? How does that make any sense? First of all, you. You dated someone who you met at her funeral. Second of all, this person moved in with you, moved in with you. So I think that counts as someone you dated.

[A]

All this says to me is that Gary was still getting laid, a lot like post his wife's passing, and that, you know, there was just nobody that he wanted to lock it down with, but that he was certainly, certainly not taking, you know, a vow of celibacy in her honor.

[B]

It is full on deception to say that you have not dated if someone moved in with you.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

The criteria is not risen to the level of life partner. What? No. I'm sorry. If someone has moved in with you and now you're charging them rent, bucko, you've dated since Tony. Anyway, I'm still at the restaurant. And one thing I want to say.

[A]

You'Re still at the diner, the drive in.

[B]

I'm 100% still at the diner. And I have one other unhinged moment from Gary from the podcast that I want to play for you because I just think that this is so funny. Okay.

[A]

Okay. I mean, I think we should try to have Teresa on the podcast. Maybe.

[B]

I would love nothing more. I want to say I will fly her to New York. I guess she lives in New Jersey, so wouldn't be that hard. I will pay for a train ticket. We should try to get her on.

[A]

We're putting her on public transportation. This woman has been through enough. Let's get her, like, a car service. We'll put her on the Long Island Railroad.

[B]

I will do whatever it takes to interview.

[A]

So glad you'll pay for her, like, 290 train ticket into the city.

[B]

Teresa. Okay. It's my. That was my inner Gary talking no, I will 100% roll out the red carpet, but this is, this is something treat Teresa revealed on the pod. I'm going to give you one example. When he called me an east coast knob, I was at his house and he offered me a cold cut. Said it just like this. I said, oh, no, Gary. I said, thank you so much, but I don't need cold cuts. He goes, you just insulted me. I said, why didn't I insult you? He goes, you're an east coast snob. Okay, I just find that to be so hilarious. I'm sorry, but imagine someone saying, oh, I don't eat cold cuts. And being like, you've insulted me. You've insulted me.

[A]

You lied to me. You lied. You said you were gonna go to bed at 7:30 with me. You lied.

[B]

I've never said this following sentence. You've insulted me. Like, that is such a crazy, dramatic thing to say.

[A]

You're such an east coast snob. I mean, I would actually argue that deli meat is quite expensive. And that's true. I mean, a pound of boar's head in my neck of the woods is going for 12.99 at least.

[B]

Check your privilege, Gary.

[A]

Yeah, honestly. And you know what? This Teresa can do no wrong. After hearing her describe her smoothie lifestyle and how she makes herself a smoothie Monday through Friday, but then she does treat herself on the weekends. This woman is pinching pennies. This woman is not a snob. And the fact that he tried to paint her as one, like he should be jailed. Lock him up.

[B]

Can I say that I think that we should make Team Teresa Merch. Team Teresa Merch. And I think that we should donate all the proceeds to a gift card to her favorite smoothie store so she can splash out on smoothies to spite Gary.

[A]

A lifetime of smoothies for that sweet, sweet woman who was wronged.

[B]

We really should, we should do a GoFundMe for her. Smoothies for Theresa.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh my gosh.

[A]

When she worked out the math live on the podcast where she was like, well, you know, and then like the tenth one screen, so they're actually kind of like $7 each. This woman is not now lavishly spending. She's not a real housewife of Orange County.

[B]

She has an east coast mentality. She wants to go to the most expensive restaurants and hang out with the most rich and powerful people.

[A]

She, Carrie is literally painting her as like the fourth boss lady lawyer on All's Fair. She cares about private jets and jewelry.

[B]

Gary is painting her as Alex and Simon McCord.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Of New Jersey. Just such a social climber.

[A]

Well, Lauren, what a weekend. Thank you for spending so much time in, in service of Theresa and kind of getting to the bottom of everything and understanding her truth.

[B]

You are so welcome, Chandler.

[A]

All right, well, moving on from the diner, from Teresa and Gary and Lauren's weekend with the two of them. I want to play a little audio. A little moment that happened in our family this weekend. Okay, everyone, this is a, this is a FaceTime call between our 11 year old niece and Lauren. And I just think it shows how, how morally compromised Lauren is. And everyone should be aware this is the example she's setting. I mean she's about, she's going to be a mom pretty soon here in the next few years. This is what little snow on the beach can expect.

[B]

Okay. By the way, I just want to say I want to set the scene for everyone. I was in the middle of hosting a barbecue when I got this call. So I had to like make a frenzied exit from serving my guests to take this call.

[A]

Okay, everybody, here we go.

[B]

Okay, so what's, Talk to me, what's going on?

[A]

Okay, So I borrowed $20 from my dad and I told him I was gonna get a school sweatshirt. And I actually went to Starbucks with my friends and spent it on that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I was wondering, when you come for Thanksgiving, could you like buy me like a school sweatshirt?

[B]

I'll buy you whatever you need. Okay, so whatever you need. Your dad will never find out about this. Thanks. How does that sound?

[A]

You're the best.

[B]

She gave me just like mail you $20. You're like, yeah, maybe like I can 100%.

[A]

I'll just mail it. Well, actually I'll be there on Wednesday. So what if I just. Should I just.

[B]

Wednesday is good. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so I'll give you 20 bucks.

[B]

On Wednesday and then your dad will never find out and you'll have a gorgeous, gorgeous school sweatshirt.

[A]

Maybe like could you come to my school? I might need you to come to my school. Yeah, no problem.

[B]

What happened at the school though?

[A]

Well, like, like that's where you buy it. Oh, yeah, of course. I mean, but can't you just take the like, why would I need to go?

[B]

I'm just, I just want to know how this works.

[A]

I'm just nervous.

[B]

Oh, you're nervous? Yeah.

[A]

So you want me to come to.

[B]

The school and I'm not gonna tell your parents? Yeah. Do you really?

[A]

But.

[B]

Okay, but we both know your dad.

[A]

Do you actually even care?

[B]

I just lied.

[A]

I just Lied. Well, I'll help you get out of it.

[B]

You can always call me.

[A]

So, yeah, I'll go to your school. Thank you so much.

[B]

You're the best.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

You're my number one. Never forget that.

[A]

I love you so much.

[B]

Love you, Jason.

[A]

Pie.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Anyway, that's all.

[B]

That was a private call, actually, between me and my niece, so the fact that it was being recorded should be illegal.

[A]

So Lauren and I both got pranked by Courtney and James because they both called us and delivered this exact same spiel about how James allegedly borrowed $20, lied about what she was using it for. And I thought I handled it in a pretty cool way because I also said, not a problem. But you really took it too far because you were like, your dad will never know. I thought I was pretty chill. I was like, but you literally. I. I kind of feel, like, lame now. I'm like, well, I should have said, like, I'll give you a hundred dollars, and I don't know. Your dad will never find out.

[B]

You know, I felt like what she. She had done. Wyatt didn't really need to know about it. Oh, she went to Starbucks with her friend. This is a pretty innocent sin as a kid.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

So I. I just felt like this was a fun moment for me to step in and be the hero auntie and that, you know, if. If truly, if there was anything actually going on, I would have clued in her parents. Of course, if she called me and was like, I'm in danger, anything serious, I would have clued in mom and dad. But anyway, I was, like, devastated when I found out this was a prank. I was, like, ready to go to the school. I was so excited. I know.

[A]

I. I know. I. When it happened to me, I was also super stoked to, like, have this, like, secret now with her. Like, to be like, okay. Like, we're like, there's a loyalty here. We're in cahoots. Like, she knows she can call me. So, yeah, to find out it was a prank kind of left me a little bit crestfallen. She did text me after and say, I'm sorry. And I said it was hilarious. Hahaha. And she said, I feel so guilty about it. I don't get how people lie all the time.

[B]

She's so innocent and so sweet. Which is another reason why I wanted to help her out of it, because I felt like this was so out of character for her in kind of a good way. Like, I was excited to see her to, you know, becoming more of a Teen.

[A]

It's true, it's true. Anyway, just a little bit of family pranking that happened behind the scenes this weekend. You know, you learned about lying from the past from Gary Turner.

[B]

Yeah, it's true. I was also, I was so dedicated to this that even though I found it to be so funny, like I was dying to call you and be like, guess what? James just called me and said she did. Like she's gonna need $20 cause she spent it with her friends at Starbucks. I knew you would crack up. Like no, I can't betray her confidence. So I was going to keep this between the two of us.

[A]

That's really cute cuz. You thought I would like rat her out.

[B]

I just felt like we had this ironclad, you know, agreement. Like this was in the vault between the two of us.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

Anyway, it absolutely was not.

[A]

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[B]

Pookie and Jet threw a first birthday for Paloma. So obviously everyone, this is nationwide news. We need to get into it.

[A]

I was, I was googling it just to kind of prepare for this segment and I was, I was literally googling it and I was like, do I wonder if this gets has gotten picked up by page 6 or anything yet? And I was like what am I talking about? These are just, this is just like a family on Instagram. And of course I could only find like the Instagram posts about it. No, no tabloids, no, no local news sources had picked it up.

[B]

Pookie and Jet have had their fair share of write ups in all those outlets. And honestly, I'm floored that the New York Times is not reporting on Paloma's birthday party because this is huge news. I saw this Instagram post, the reels, the photos. This was obviously a content heyday for them. And the thing that stuck out to Me. Chandler was the theme what stuck?

[A]

Oh, the theme stuck out to you. You're kidding me. I thought it was a lovely, restrained, one year old appropriate theme. The value system was on, you know, was just like it's right where it should be with these, with these folks, these good folks.

[B]

I can tell you what I was hoping for when I was, you know, 11 months old turning 1 year old was an Hermes themed birthday party. But you know what? Paloma got it. Okay, so I'm jealous of Paloma. Officially. She got my dream of an Hermes themed birthday party for a one year old.

[A]

Can she even walk? No, she can't.

[B]

No, she cannot walk. She's darling. She's very cute. That was not a dig or throwing shade on Paloma everyone.

[A]

So nerd. Lauren loves Pookie and Jet so much.

[B]

I do love them. But I gotta tell you, stuff like this, it makes me so happy that I've never become like an Hermes girly or a Birkin girly. Not that I could even swing one of those bags even if I wanted to. But even if I like whatever. It just makes me thrilled that I have not gone down this path. Because truly the bad taste displayed by some of these Instagram influencers, especially like the Hermes obsessed ones, it just, it makes all of it so tacky.

[A]

I mean I have just have to quote Bethenny Frankel. Like it's sick. It's sick.

[B]

It's absolutely so sick.

[A]

I was actually quite disgusted by this and I am not going to rant about this for too long, but I just thought this has to be one of the most gross displays of, of what you're obsessed with, what you actually think about, where you actually put your, you know, your brain waves. I mean like just do it. Do a theme on anything else but Hermes. Like the, the ridiculously overpriced everything but. And then it's the theme for your child's birthday. It's just, it's so stupid to me. And I, and I don't think that they are like this is so tongue in cheek. I think they're totally like they're not self. How cute would it be if it was Hermes themed? Like those are the conversations that they are having. And I don't know, I. These people really are not my favorite and they did not do themselves any favors with this birthday party theme. I thought it was just like, it.

[B]

Was extremely tacky and cringe and, and.

[A]

Like kind of dystopian. I mean we never get political on this podcast and I'm not going to but like things are dire for people around the country on both sides of the aisle and I just, I thought it was super gross.

[B]

So sorry, can I say that? I think that to me it's like people are gonna do what they do, right? Like, yeah, Kris Jenner is gonna throw her 70th birthday party. Pookie and Jett are going to have as lavish of a one year old birthday party as they wanna have. I think where the record scratches for me is it's like throwing a birthday party with the theme being the row and having huge LARO insignias and labels everywhere. Like Hermes I don't think is about this kind of co opting of the brand. And I think it's just funny because it's like we love this brand so much, but it's definitely not the way what they're doing with it. It's not the way the brand wants to be portrayed. So that's like what's a little, a little bit hilarious to me about it.

[A]

I had the exact same thought. I was like, I don't know that Hermes loves this. I don't know that they're going to be sending you a bunch of free, you know, Hermes orange streamers to go with this. I don't think this is, this is not the brand image.

[B]

This isn't good for that brand. No, no, no. It's not going to exactly build the brand for. I think Hermes is like the customers they're really going for, which is really not the Pookie and Jet. It's the super, super, super elite wealthy people. But anyway, hilarious.

[A]

Paloma's sweet and cute and little. This has nothing to do with her. It was just, I thought, a tacky moment from the two of them. And honestly, they can be really tacky.

[B]

I thought, but they just have tacky tastes. Like the whole again as a push present in the delivery room is tacky. All of that is just so gross.

[A]

This was just a new low, in my opinion. But what can you do? Pookie's gonna Pookie, jets gonna jet.

[B]

Yeah. And honestly, I'm gonna be watching. Okay, speaking of birthday parties, let's talk about Kris Jenner 70th, because you guys, they turned it out. So Jeff Bezos hosted at his Beverly Hills mansion.

[A]

I just want to say here we have an appropriate theme for a birthday party. Okay. It was James Bond theme. That is an appropriate theme for a 70 year old's birthday party. That makes sense.

[B]

Oh my gosh. I thought 0070 was such an incredible theme. Yes, I think that Kris Jenner is really rebranding 70 in the best way. Like, sure, it might have a million dollar price tag of like lifetime surgeries needed to achieve both her look and then probably a multimillion dollar price tag for the party or whatever, however much it costs. And you're gonna have to be friends with Jeff Bezos. But you know what? At least we know it's now possible. And this bitch totally looks incredible.

[A]

She absolutely looks incredible. The party looked really fun. I mean, it kind of makes me nervous the idea of ever being at a party like this because there's just so many leaders and just people from all sectors. I don't know, I kind of get like the sweats thinking about if I was even like, you know, a cater waiter or something there.

[B]

No, it seems so crazy to walk through that room. Like, there's Billy Gates, is there Jay Z and Beyonce. Megan and Harry are there.

[A]

Mark and Priscilla. It's kind of like a little bit of like a lizard people convention. Can I say that.

[B]

I want to get your thoughts on this? So there was a report, and I do think this was put out by the Palace. So it came from Page Six. And they say royal insiders are appalled by Prince Harry and Meghan Markle living it up at Kris Jenner's 70th birthday bash. And so one palace insider gave the quote that it's so tacky. It truly shows that Harry is so far removed from the rest of the family. These people may be stars in America, but the pure ostentatiousness is at odds with what Prince William is trying to do with his life and the monarchy.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Jealous much?

[B]

I know. Literally jealous much. Okay, first of all, if we want to talk about a family that has a history of displays of ostentation. Ostentation? Is that a word?

[A]

I'm not sure I like it, though. Let's. Let's roll with it.

[B]

We're gonna roll with it. This family is a family that has dripped in blood diamonds and jewels they've stolen from other lands while their people have essentially starved. Okay? This family is literally an imperialist, colonizer family. And guess what? Prince William, he lives in an incredible manner. He summers on yachts. You might not see it, but this guy lives way more regally and way more, I think, in a much more ostentatious way than Harry and Meghan. Fuck all the way off. Let them go to Chris's 70th. And guess what? If you were invited, you would have gone to Kate and William.

[A]

Also, this party looked way More fun than any of those stuffy, royal, you know, shindigs that, you know, everyone's just, like, sitting there in, you know, uncomfortable looking dresses, drinking sherry. No, thanks.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. No, seriously, this makes Sandringham look like the biggest snooze fest. And this is a big W for Harry and Megan for me, because I just feel like, yeah, they get to go do fun stuff like this. And you know what? After everything that they endured, I know a lot of people have different thoughts. We. We might find Megan's homemaking content to be a little cringe, but that doesn't mean we don't want her and Harry, her and Harry to have a good time.

[A]

Did you see the DM we got from a listener about the photo that was posted of Megan?

[B]

No.

[A]

So a listener DM'd us and they said, did you see that Kim posted a photo of Megan, but then immediately took it down.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

And then they were saying, do we think Meghan Markle's pregnant? Thought that was very, very juicy. I never.

[B]

I didn't even see the photo in.

[A]

The first place, but I don't know if anyone saw.

[B]

She wore a pretty fitted dress, so I think if she was trying to hide a pregnancy, she would not have worn the dress she wore. But maybe, like, they caught her at an angle.

[A]

Yeah, I think it is interesting if Kim posted something and then it immediately, like, went down.

[B]

Well, you know what? Chris has a photo with Megan and Harry on her dump. Oh, my gosh. I honestly thank God this is my job. Because the fact that, you know, I just. I know that it's like photo number four on Kris's, you know. Okay, second dump.

[A]

Speaking of Kris Jenner's photo dumps, I would like to know who is the person who is sitting at the computer, sitting at a, you know, a desktop computer with lightroom open, who is instantly getting the photos from the photographer, instantly retouching them, applying all of the face filters, and then sending them back out to everybody. Because everybody is filtered to high hell. And I'm not saying. I'm saying, hi, hell. It is giving wax museum night at the Wax museum.

[B]

I was gonna say they're doing the Lord's work. I think Chris looks amazing in these pictures.

[A]

I mean, Chris looks amazing, and I think she should look amazing on her birthday. It's just that everybody else is also looks insane. Like the whites in everyone's eyes are way too white. It's giving night at the wax museum.

[B]

Honestly, you know what it reminds me of? It reminds me of their Confessionals. When you're watching Keeping up with the Curve. When you're watching the Kardashians. Now, the confessionals are hard to look at because they're under such intense lights, and the background is like a light beige. It's so bright on my tv, I literally had a visual migraine. Like, I. It caused. It caused, I think, stars. I saw stars after watching an episode of the Kardashians because I think they have a heavy lens filter. And then also, it's just so bright.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, these people like to look good.

[A]

And who can blame them?

[B]

Who can blame them? I don't hate them for it. And you know what? I will say Kim posted on her TikTok a vlog of the whole experience, which was really fun, because when I first saw the photos, I will be honest, I was feeling very big pangs of jealousy and fomo. These people don't know I exist.

[A]

You were. You were like, why aren't I there?

[B]

I was just like, I would die to go to this. It looks so fun.

[A]

Oh, I think it would make me too nervous. I think it would be fun, but I would be so nervous.

[B]

It just looked like they were having the time of their lives and, like, what a fun experience. What a guest list. And basically, Kim posted a vlog where you get to see, like, quite a bit behind the scenes. And it's really funny. Like, there's a moment where she plays Snoop Dogg, sending her a voice memo, being like, can I smoke at this party? I don't really drink. I don't want to be disrespectful, though. And I have a gift for mom, like, let me know if it's okay for me to smoke. And it was so cute. And then there's another part where she's talking to her sisters, like, sending them a voice memo, and she's saying all the psychics obsessed with. They're all full of shit, because they all told me I would pass the.

[A]

Bar, and I think I saw that one.

[B]

Anyway, it's worth watching the whole. For anyone else who had fomo, it's worth watching the whole vlog.

[A]

I mean, the idea of all of the celebrities being in one place is kind of scary to me. It's like, what's the security like there?

[B]

You would assume that Mark, Bill Gates, all of these tycoons. Jeff Bezos has such. They all have such intense security. Like, half the room is security guards.

[A]

We didn't even talk about the fact that it was at Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez's Beverly Hills house.

[B]

The Sussexes obviously have huge security.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Crazy.

[B]

You know, if I ever got the chance to be friends with Meghan Markle, I think I would take it and I would just delete everything on this pod that I said about her.

[A]

100. We'd archive all of it, and we would just pretend like it never happened.

[B]

That's.

[A]

And everyone should just know that.

[B]

That if.

[A]

If the day should come.

[B]

You were warned. Yeah, you're warned. And also, don't. Don't be all uncool, okay? Like, don't literally send her the receipts for when I talked shit. If I ever get invited to Montecito, I'm like, I've always been team Megan. You know what I love, Lauren?

[A]

Only mainlining flower sprinkles.

[B]

I love the dried flower jewelry. I actually don't even care for diamonds. When I saw that episode.

[A]

You'Re out here going shababadoobi, I realized that I just wanted to.

[B]

To wear Etsy themed necklaces and listen to ice cream shop music. That. That. I didn't realize that was a passion of mine. Okay.

[A]

Thank you. Oh, my gosh. Okay, well, anyway, on the subject of the Kardashians.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

While we're here, let's. Let's talk about Kim not passing the bar.

[B]

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[A]

And walked up to me the first.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

You will absolute us.

[B]

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[A]

Let's talk about Kim not passing the bar. Let's touch on that because I, you know, you had an emotional response to Kris Jenner's birthday party. I have kind of an emotional response to Kim not passing. It makes me sad. I feel, I feel really bad that she didn't pass.

[B]

I don't feel bad.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

I don't feel bad because she took it immediately after passing her finals and she only had three months to study and she didn't go to traditional law school. And I just, I don't feel bad. I think that many people have to take the California bar exam more than once.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it is what it is. It's not a big deal.

[A]

When our parents talk about, you know, when our dad was studying for the bar, it's like he entered into a, an altered state and was just like sleeping at an office studying all day long. And it was just like, we'll see you when we see you.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah. I think people really do kind of enter like a bar studying, refuge, state retreat, solitary confinement situation to prep. And so our mom loves to tell the story about when our dad was studying for the bar exam. So he would stay really, really late where he worked, study. Sometimes he would even sleep there, if my memory serves correctly. And anyway, when my mom was at the grocery store, she was checking out with our oldest sister and our older. And our sister Ash apparently told the checkout lady, she said, oh yeah, our dad comes home really Late from the bar, and he's. He's always in such a bad mood. And our mom loves to be. To tell his story. And how she said, not the bar. You're thinking of. Oh, my gosh. Anything that's related to drinking, mom thinks is so tacky and so funny.

[A]

Yes, yes.

[B]

And so that's why she loves to tell that story. Like, the idea that our dad went to a bar is, like, so tacky.

[A]

I mean, this now makes me think of the time you ordered a drink in front of our niece, and she said. She looked up at you with fear in her eyes, and she said, but what if you get drunk?

[B]

No, that was when Courtney ordered a drink, and she said to. She said to her mom, we're at the ERAS tour, and Courtney got a double because, you know, it's a huge. They make those huge sugary lemonades that are, like 20 ounces, so you gotta. You don't want to get two. So anyway, Courtney gets a double, and James just looks at her with panic in her eyes and goes, what if you get drunk? Courtney, who doesn't get drunk and James has never seen her in drunk, is so funny.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

Also, back to our mom. Her favorite joke at restaurants.

[A]

Oh, yes, this one's really tired at this point.

[B]

It's so tired. You know, they'll always say, do you want the drink menu? And then our mom loves to go, she just got out of rehab. And point to one of us.

[A]

And then the server never knows how to respond because that's, like, obviously a very touchy thing for people, and it's always awkward, and I always hate it. Um, and that's about that, you know.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Sums it up. Okay, back to Kim K. Back to our other almost favorite lawyer. Back to our second favorite lawyer after our dad. She doesn't pass, obviously. The California bar is extremely hard to pass as well. I was reading about that, and I'm just. I'm proud of her tenacity. I'm proud that she is, like, gonna get back on the horse. I also think it would be really hard to publicly try and try and fail.

[B]

I mean, the fact that she is even doing this at all is so impressive to me.

[A]

It is.

[B]

Okay, so in the show, I'm watching the Kardashians this season, and Courtney, she talks about how she likes to only work one day per week max gen if she can, once a month, which to me, is a schedule that sounds completely stunning.

[A]

And then it's like, right. Right on brand for all the Women in our family.

[B]

No, I mean, so they cut to Kim and she's studying for exams while she's in her trailer filming for All's Fair. And it's just such a clear contrast in work ethics. And I think that Kim should be commended. I don't mean to have so much alliteration, excuse me, but Kim truly should be commended because her work ethic is absolutely insane. It's so incredible. I just, I cannot relate to her drive. And I think that she does not need to be an attorney. This is so unnecessary, but it's so impressive.

[A]

We've commented on her greed before and I don't think this is about greed. I think this is a true moment where she really is so driven to do a bunch of things. And it's so impressive to me. So anyway, we're pulling for you, Kimberly. Hopefully next time you get it.

[B]

Well, one thing that was funny, I want to share, is that someone in the comments kind of called out her. Her announcement about not passing because. So her announcement says, well, I'm not a lawyer yet. I just play a very well dressed one on tv. Six years into this law journey and I'm still all in until I pass the bar. No shortcuts, no giving up, just more studying and even more determination. Thank you to everyone who has supported and encouraged me along the way so far. Falling short isn't failure, it's fuel. I was so close to passing the bar exam and that only motivates me even more. Let's go. And someone called this out for it being written by ChatGPT, and it's so it. Like, literally, when you really have that in mind, falling short isn't failure, it's fuel. That is so chatgpt.

[A]

I. I mean, I never found her to be that inspiring of a writer, so.

[B]

No shit, no giving up, just more studying and even more determination. Doesn't that sound like Chachi Beatty? I guess.

[A]

Sure, sure, Lauren. I'm trying to be team Kimberly in this moment, okay? I mean, she's had a hard week. Okay, can we move on to all's fair, please?

[B]

Yeah, okay. We can move on to all fair.

[A]

Let's stay in the legal territory. Let's stay in the, in the Kardashian territory. Let's talk about all's fair. Because I saw the reviews coming in, I saw the comments and the snark coming in about this show and I was like, well, I gotta get my grubby mitts on it. I gotta watch it. I, you know, I need to see for myself. I Need to have my own testimony of all's fair. Okay? And I'm just gonna say it. I'm just gonna come right out and freaking say it. The show consumed me, all right? I completely binged it. I've watched almost every single episode. I think I'm almost to the end of, you know, whatever's out, I'm here for it. I'm enjoying it. I am also hating it, but I'm enjoying it. I have a few moments I want to discuss, but let me just. Let me just start by saying that I do not think this show deserves a 0% rating because I'm enjoying it.

[B]

Does not. I think this is one of the best shows I have seen in so long. And this is something I want to say. I would have never watched it except for you basically berated me into watching it to talk about it today. And I'm so glad you did because this show is so fun. It's very fun. It's very easy to follow. It's so over the top in every single way. And it's really one of those things where they're not trying to make it an Emmy award, winning, you know, hard hitting docu series or super realistic drama. Like, this is supposed to be a crazy, campy, silly show and it delivers like, it's incredible. And seeing Kim Kardashian acting is so fun.

[A]

It's very fun. I mean, I was watching the Kardashians and I was like, I think I just rather turn on all sphere because this is like something new on my TV screen. I've seen the Kardashians do their shtick for so many years, but like, all's fair. Like, it's a new type of show. It's a new type of moment to watch Kim Kardashian in.

[B]

Yeah, no. And I think that the, the world it inhabits is so, like fun to watch because, yes, basically it follows these really high powered, uber wealthy divorce attorneys who have this like, you know, female founded law office. They broke away from their like patriarchal law firm 10 years ago and built this, this law firm that's like that where they essentially help the billionaires divorce. It's almost like if succession was super campy and was had like Kim Kardashian and Naomi Watts and Glenn Close, these incredible female stars playing. I mean, it's just so fun.

[A]

Okay, so I want to talk about a couple moments and, and within these moments, I will get into some of my criticism because it's a fun show to watch. It's easy. But some of it does, you know, strain credulity, as we say on this podcast.

[B]

Okay, go on.

[A]

Okay, let's just begin with potentially the most. The most graphic part of the show, which is the ass out skirt suit. Look, look.

[B]

The ass out skirt suit look. I think it's where, you know, this show is not trying to be tethered to reality in any way, shape, or form. Okay.

[A]

It's so. Yeah, I'll just say so. Lauren has only watched the first episode. There's a lot more that I would love to get into, but Lauren had only watched the first episode, so I'm. I'm confined to that, you know, to those boundaries. So we see the ass out skirt suit look, which I'll hyphenate as aossl. We see this after a scene where they have scorched yet another person in mediation. Okay. You know, it's one theme about this show. They always win. Everything gets tied up with a nice little bow. Always.

[B]

It's like these little vignettes that take, I don't know, I would say, six minutes to play out. Yeah. And they always win a killing. Like, they win their client $200 million. It's just all cartoonish in the best way.

[A]

I'm all over the place because, yes, Lauren, they walk in to whatever meeting they're in, they deliver three to five seething lines, and then they get exactly what they're looking for.

[B]

Well, no, no, this is the best part. So they. They're helping this 22 year old who's getting divorced from her billionaire husband who brought in a third to the marriage, and she fell in love with the third, and so she's terrified he's gonna find out. Okay. And of course, at an ironclad prenup. So she's not going to get a cent and she just wants out. Well, they have a private investigator follow him, which leads them to find out that he's into BDSM. So their way of getting him to fork over $200 million is having a PowerPoint presentation where they show the butt plug he prefers that is the same size as a fire cone.

[A]

Also very confused by the scale. I'm not familiar with that world, but I was like, is that real? I don't know. Could that be real? I don't really know if I want to know. Lauren, I'm so glad you brought up the. You know, the scene where they go to the dominatrix studio, because they. This was a moment where I was like, okay, I think Kim Kardashian just came up with Like a four or five looks that she wanted. And then they just backed a plot line into those looks.

[B]

Well, oh, my gosh. And thank goodness, because the looks were incredible. The plot lines, though, they're so funny because they make no sense. So the dominatrix is like, of course, discretion is a big part of my business. And Kim K basically is like, I'll give you 10% of the settlement. I'll change your life. You're gonna get $10 million.

[A]

Let me deliver the line. She says, I'll do what I do best. I'll change your life.

[B]

Every line is like that on the whole.

[A]

Every single line. Every single line. Let's just quickly go back to the aossl. Absolutely. Well, really quick.

[B]

No, no, really quick. Before we do that, on the Kardashians, Kim talks about how they couldn't stop laughing filming this. And Glenn Close was like, pissed. She was like getting annoyed. Like, girls, like, literally get it together. Like, we have to get scenes completed. But I don't understand how they could keep a straight face because literally everything is so absurd.

[A]

It's so absurd. The writing is terrible. The writing is indefensible.

[B]

The writing is amazing. Like, this is incredible. It's so funny.

[A]

I mean, when they like all go around the table and share their favorite. It's just. Lauren, I actually need you to. I need you to continue watching. But yeah, sorry, back to the, back to the skirt suit look, because I just really want to explain it for people after they've had this like total victory, you know, six minute long mediation and then they walk out of there with $200 million, they have a toast or as they call it, a victory fizz. And the camera pans around and we see that Kim is in a tightly fitted skirt. But this skirt is quite different because the top five inches are completely exposed and all we see is like the top of her butt and a whale tail of like a thong. The fact that this was just like greenlit as, like. Yes, we're going to depict badass modern day family law attorneys. I mean, let me just say, as someone who spent summers doing filing at her dad's family law office, this couldn't be further from reality. But I'm happy to watch it. I'm happy to watch it.

[B]

But that's the best part about it, right? Is it's. It's barely tethered to the laws of physics. Like one client created a new plastic that was stronger than steel and they just like. Jesse from Saved by the Bell is playing this character and she has Created this, like, this new plastic, this new polymer or whatever. And the stories are just extremely outlandish. The wardrobe is outlandish. The sets are absolutely absurd. Like Kim Kardashian, she comes home from work.

[A]

She's a divorce attorney.

[B]

We were raised by a divorce attorney. I mean, we had beautiful home growing up. No tea, no shade. But divorce attorneys are not billionaires. And she pulls up to a billionaire's home.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And she gets out of her, like, Ferrari or whatever. She waltzes in. This is a house that probably, I don't know, is at least $7500 million. Anyway, she waltzes in and her private chef is cooking in the kitchen. She has, like, a butler, a doorman. You know, her closet looks like. I don't know, you're inside one of the most insane, beautiful closets you've ever seen. She showers. She puts on a beautiful long evening dress to wear to dinner with her husband. I mean, it's just. It's so funny. Like, I don't know. This is just.

[A]

Just.

[B]

It's. It's visual eye candy.

[A]

The amount of times that they are on a private jet is really also where, like, the record scratches for me, because I don't think lawyers just always have private jets that they can just take, you know, willy nilly. Like, that's. That's billionaire money.

[B]

That's one of my favorite parts. So Naomi Watts get a call. Gets a call from one of their new clients, who happens to, of course, be a billionaire's wife, who she cheated on him. And Naomi Watts hops on a private jet that the inside. It looks like the inside of the department store printeps, which I'm sure I'm mispronouncing, but it's like the most ornate, stunning, beautiful interior. It looks like, honestly, was designed by Pearson Ward. Anyway, it's gorgeous, ornate, beautiful, private. You've ever seen. And of course, like, there's a mo. The most gorgeous flight attendant who offers her a glass of champagne as she goes to New York to go to their apartment to basically tell the woman that all these jewels are considered personal property because they were gifted to her during the marriage and they're not community property. And I saw a funny comment that was like, this could have been an email. She did not need to go all the way out there. She literally could have just said that in an email. But it's the best. It's the best.

[A]

Let's go back really quick to the character of Chase, because I just want to play his big acting moment, his big monologue.

[B]

For you. We're gonna play it.

[A]

I'm gonna play it. Because I don't know if our listeners have watched this show.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I also just have to say, you know, this show is written by gay men. When you look at, like, who they chose as her husband, talk to me. Are you just having a bad day or something? No, actually, I. I spent the day.

[B]

Talking to my therapist.

[A]

Men like, crisis sound second. I'm in here with you. What are you talking about? You're famous. You have three super bowl rings. Oh, okay. I. I understand what's going on here. I get it. What you're saying is that my big life is just too rich for that little Philly kid, but you're leaving out all of your success and growth. Yeah, exactly. Why do I forget about all of that in your presence? I don't know. Why do you? You. Because next to you, I feel hopelessly, ridiculously small. That's not on me. That's on you.

[B]

You don't fucking gaslight me either, so. I've been feeling like this for years.

[A]

And I know you have, too.

[B]

What's going on with you?

[A]

I feel like you're not telling me the whole story. What's really going on?

[B]

I want a divorce.

[A]

You want a divorce? What are you talking about?

[B]

About.

[A]

Seeing somebody else. Everyone. That's just a little taste of, you know, some of the powerful emotional writing that we get in this show. So do not miss it.

[B]

The show is absolutely so funny, everyone. It was also apparently written to be a second screen show. So, yeah, we're all living in that dystopia where now we have shows that are meant for you to watch while you're on your phone. That's why all of the plot lines are so exaggerated and easy to follow, because they want it to be something you can literally just be glancing up at.

[A]

I mean, damn. Is that why. Is that why I've been like. Yep, it's great because I have just been scrolling the entire time I've been watching it.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, it's fun to have something like that last thing about it.

[A]

I will say we never see them in court. They do use the C word a lot, which is just. I'm like, does anybody use the C word this often? And I saw a comment on Reddit that was like, this show is like a bottle of screw top rose on a hot day. And I think that's exactly true and right.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. It's refreshing, it's fun, it's frivolous, it's frothy. Okay. Let's move on. Shay Mitchell has sparked outrage after releasing a skincare brand for children. Chan, you know when you're invited to a holiday party and you think, sure, I'll throw something together. And then 24 hours before you realize you have nothing to wear.

[A]

Sometimes for me, it's literally the 30 minutes before I'm supposed to leave when I look at my closet and I am just like, what in the world am I supposed to put on my body right now? I have nothing cute to wear. There's like a panic that comes with this season.

[B]

There's a fashion panic. Did you know that if you are feeling this way that you can book a session with Macy's free personal stylist? And I'm not exaggerating. I think it can actually be life changing to have someone help you shop for the holidays. You know, assess what gaps you need filled in your closet and help you just get a nice wardrobe refresh for the season.

[A]

I think people don't realize too that this is a completely free service. Like free free. You literally book it, tell them your vibe and they pull everything for you. You can tell them I want to look glam, but I also want to be able to sit comfortably through the dessert course and they will just get it and pull the right things.

[B]

No, it's so incredible. So they can pull BCBG heels, Avecla Filiz dresses. Sparkly, glam looks that'll just make you look so chic at whatever holiday party you're going to. They have free people in case you're looking for a more bohemian vibe. Also they have Levi's high rise barrel leg jeans. I'm a huge fan of those for that effortless I tried but not really kind of vibe.

[A]

And then if you want to go for main character energy, you could get, you know, an Aster off the shoulder lace top with some Ralph Lauren trousers. You know, just really give that classy and chic vibe.

[B]

Chandler, you know, I love main character energy and I can slip into a silk mini dress from Macy's with simple slingbacks. I also love that the stylus really can make any look your hoping to achieve happen for you. They know the holiday trends, they know what's working right now and they work with all the brands that we all actually wear. Coach Avec la fees, free people, Aster, bcbg, Levi's.

[A]

They make your style feel like your style and not like someone else's Pinterest board. No, absolutely.

[B]

And if you're not gonna go in person, they can still ship Everything to you and you get 20 off your first die styling session. I am shocked by how easy this process is.

[A]

I mean a free styling session plus then 20 off your purchase. I don't, I don't see a downside here.

[B]

Also, in addition, can we talk about Macy's parade of deals event going on right now? Because each new deal is incredible.

[A]

They're doing one day deals on their hottest items. Diamond studs, tennis bracelets, fragrances from Gucci and Marc Jacobs and basically, you know, the finishing touches on every outfit. Or maybe, you know, an oops, I forgot to buy you something gift you guys. Diamond studs, tennis bracelets.

[B]

I mean the Taylor Swift is playing. Okay, you're talking dirty to me when.

[A]

I hear those words and the idea that that's in the parade of deals.

[B]

And there's a steep discount on those items.

[A]

Run, run to Macy's. Macy's stylists make it fun again and they take the guesswork out of getting dressed. So go book your session now at macy's.com/personal stylist and make this your most stylish stress free holiday season yet.

[B]

Okay, the next thing Chandler we must discuss. Shay Mitchell has sparked outrage after releasing a skincare brand for children. This is so depressing. A source says so Shay Mitchell, former Pretty Little Liars actress, unveiled her new business Renee, which targets kids with hydrating and smoothing face masks. Shea and her co founder Esther Song and Matt Babble created Reenie because they wanted products that are gentle, trustworthy and inspire creativity. They described the brand as skincare meets play. People online are not enjoying the idea that children need skin care. Social media users have been left disgusted at the brand's dystopian concept. And they have slammed Shay Mitchell for pushing beauty standards on children, arguing that it's far too early to involve them in skin care. Chandler?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What do you think?

[A]

I think every child should be using an anti aging cream starting as early as possible. A retinol. Retin A. Yeah. On their hands. Don't forget their hands.

[B]

This is what I'm going to tell my, my infant. You know, right after they've wiped off the white gunk, I'm going to ask them to wipe on a Retin a. Retin A. A tretinoin and make sure it goes down to. Yeah, it has to go basically to don't forget the chest, don't forget the neck, don't forget the tops of the hands.

[A]

Decolletage.

[B]

The decolletage, exactly. Skincare goes down to the nipples essentially. And you know what? Chandler, if mom had got her together and maybe shot me up with a little Botox as well, I might, you know, I might be still getting carded.

[A]

Okay, yep, we know those days are not happening.

[B]

No, I mean, in all seriousness, I think that this is so overblown and stupid and everyone just gets upset, get at everything these days. And these are literally just hydrating sheet masks. They look fun. They literally look like, like how fun it is to put on a temporary tattoo as a kid. Like, it's just fun to have something tactile you put on your skin. It's not about beauty standards.

[A]

So when I first heard about this, I had like a knee jerk. Oh my gosh, this is we've gone too far, you know, type of reaction at first. And that was like, you know, 30 seconds of thinking about it. And after just like actually reading about what it is, I just have to say, like, as little girls you get little makeup kits. Like, how is this really different from just kind of the other types of like play, creative play, especially like for little girls that you already do and get. And you know, I don't think that they're going to be advertising the anti aging, you know, benefits of this skincare. I hope they're not going to because that would be dark work. But it's just a form of play. I, I don't think it's that deep.

[B]

I also think that now that I've finally gotten into skincare, it took me a long time. There's something really soothing about like putting on your creams at the end of the day. And it's a nice ritual. I don't think there's anything wrong with kids putting on a moisturizer after brushing their teeth. Like that's kind of sweet and kind of cute. So I'm honestly, I'm into it. I'm pros child skincare.

[A]

I don't know that this is a company that I would want to invest my savings into. Like, I'm not sure how much it's going to take off like 3, 3 year olds having, you know, face masks. But I just think like we all remember going to Bed Bath and Body Works. Like I remember using lotions and using, you know, different potions and perfumes when I was like way young because that's what my mom did. And so it's just, I don't think it's as nefarious as people want to make it out to be.

[B]

No, absolutely not. Okay, next story, let's move on. Taylor Swift. Chandler. Yeah, she has had some star Studded evenings. So she's gone to dinner with Sabrina Carpenter. She got dinner with Gigi Hadid. The rumors are that she asked both of them to be bridesmaids. So she reportedly. She asked Gigi Hadid to be her bridesmaid at Zero Bond when they were having dinner last week. She also apparently asked Selena Gomez. The quote is, taylor wants to start the wedding process this way, building her bridesmaid group and getting everyone involved in the preparation, celebrations, and plannings. And planning. She wants it to be fun and memorable for everyone. Whatever. Whatever. I think this is total bs. There's just no way, in my opinion, she's gonna have bridesmaids. I think, one, it's kind of a dated concept. And I say this as someone who did have bridesmaids. But two, I also just think that her mentality towards her guest list, which was everyone's invited because she didn't want to have to deal with, like, stressing out about, am I going to invite someone or not? Like, how good of friends are we? I think she has too many good female friends to have a heart hierarchy to her female friendships in this.

[A]

Oh, see, I disagree. I think she's gonna have bridesmaids. Really? Yeah. Like, I think she loves a girl gang. She loves a, Like, a squad. And I just see her wanting to have that type of moment. She's a traditional girly. Yeah, that's my thinking.

[B]

Okay, so you think that this is true?

[A]

Yeah, I do, but.

[B]

Okay, here's the other thing. So she also said that she told all of her friends when she got engaged. No one found out about it until they announced two weeks later. So this is going to include ostensibly all of these people she would ask to be bridesmaids. Her closer, closest inner circle. It did not get out. So you're telling me that that didn't get out, but Gigi did tell, like, leak it, that she's been asked to be a bridesmaid.

[A]

I was thinking Taylor's team told, like.

[B]

Why would they leak this?

[A]

I don't think this is that, like, crazy to leak.

[B]

I don't think that she wants information out there, though. Like, I think she wants us to be private. I don't think she wants Page Six to get the scoop early on and on anything about her wedding. My prediction is there will be no bridesmaids, everyone. This is just literally a BS Story.

[A]

Okay, Lauren. Well, we'll see who's right. We will see. Lauren, do you think we're going to see Blake at the wedding?

[B]

I think she's having all These, like, public girl girl dinners. I do think that if we don't see her have a girl dinner with Blake, that is definitely something to note.

[A]

Yeah, we will watch. We will see.

[B]

We'll keep monitoring the situation, everyone.

[A]

Yeah, we'll stay close to it. I mean, I don't. We don't even know when this wedding is going to be, where it's going to be. For all we know, it could. You know, it could happen in the next three months, and we'll never know really about it.

[B]

No, we'll know about it. She was too public. She was. She's been too public with this relationship and with the engagement.

[A]

Why would the bridesmaids then be a secret?

[B]

Because she's just not giving it through an outlet. And also, the Page Six is not generally who her team works with. Tree, I believe is is friendly with Entertainment Tonight, but Page Six does not have a friendly relationship with Taylor's team.

[A]

Okay, well, I guess we shall see. To my shall see, baby.

[B]

As someone with no. With no actual knowledge of the situation.

[A]

No knowledge, literally, like, this is just actually where I was gonna ask you. I was like, where do you get where?

[B]

Yeah, I forgot where I. Where I discovered that, but it's. It's. It's gospel truth in my brain.

[A]

I'm sure it is.

[B]

All right, everyone, well, on that note. On that delusional note, please enjoy your week. We'll be back on Friday on Premium. Of course. Actually, I have a programming announcement. Our episode with Layla will be out next week on Christmas. Everyone, I want you to start preparing now. We will be playing a rerun. We'll be playing a rerun on Christmas that Friday. There will be a Global Elites episode, a fresh one. But we will be doing reruns on Christmas from hence. From henceforth. We are finally taking a break.

[A]

I think that is okay. And we will be back after Christmas with a fresh episode. Don't you worry.

[B]

Okay, love you guys.

[A]

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