305: Meghan Markle’s Duchess Demands + Jessi From SLOMW Spills Marriage Secrets

Summary

Pop Apologists – Episode 305: Meghan Markle’s Duchess Demands + Jessi From SLOMW Spills Marriage Secrets

Podcast: Pop Apologists
Hosts: Lauren & Chandler
Date: November 21, 2025
Episode: 305

Episode Overview

Lauren and Chandler, the sister duo behind Pop Apologists, dive into this “Global Elites” episode, made public due to Spotify technical issues. This week is packed with tabloid drama and pop culture breakdowns: Meghan Markle’s interesting etiquette requirements, Queen Camilla’s royal faux pas, the curious case of a nurse with 15 children (and some signature fraud), marriage scandals from The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, and a passionate Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHSLC) recap. The tone remains sharp, funny, and candid – as always.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Zach Bryan’s Sobriety & Music Drama

[06:11–12:03]

• Zach Bryan revealed he is two months sober after a major mental health crisis, crediting a motorcycle trip for helping him realize he needed change.
• The sisters discuss his Instagram post and reflect on the culture of celebrities sharing sobriety journeys.
• Lauren: "I can't wait for the album that's going to come out post... rehab is a great place to write some music." (10:31)
• Chandler is skeptical about the public confession format: "If you get caught as an abuser of some kind, it's always like, oh, I went to rehab, so I'm good now." (12:23)

2. Queen Camilla’s Etiquette Gaffe

[13:22–18:14]

• Queen Camilla asked Ruth Jones (from the UK sitcom "Gavin & Stacey") if she'd lost "masses of weight," leading to an awkward exchange.
• Ruth credits her hypnotist for weight loss instead of Ozempic, sparking playful skepticism from Lauren and Chandler.
• Chandler: “Don’t you think that’s what someone says when they don’t want to admit they’re shooting up?” (16:05)
• The hosts consider which royal would be the most fun at a palace dinner (Lauren: Camilla, because “she's just kind of no bullshit”).
• Explores how Camilla’s deep roots in aristocracy may make her more at ease than Kate or Meghan.

3. Meghan Markle’s “Duchess Demands” & Image Management

[19:10–28:36]

• Dissecting a Page Six feature about Meghan Markle’s Thanksgiving and, even more, her Harper’s Bazaar cover story:
  • The article describes Meghan being announced as “Duchess of Sussex” upon entering a friend's brownstone—even when she’s only meeting the journalist.
  • Chandler: "To announce Megan to the one other person at the home. I mean, that's insane." (23:53)
  • Another weird moment: at an event with schoolgirls, Megan is introduced by title, which prompts the sisters to compare her to Luann de Lesseps from Real Housewives insisting on being called “Countess.”
• Lauren: "I just straight up do not even like her anymore. ... Nothing really makes me like her more." (28:19)
• Chandler offers rare praise based on personal stories of Meghan's niceness in stores, but both agree her public persona is "obsessed with this pomp and circumstance." (28:10)

4. Extraordinary Story: The Nurse with 15 Children

[29:03–39:13]

• Mary Beth Lewis, a 62-year-old nurse, gave birth to her 13th child and, after medical warnings, paid a surrogate for two more—by forging her husband’s signature.
• She and her husband Bob now fight for custody of those twins (still in foster care after CPS intervention).
• The sisters discuss the ethics and legality, relating it to their own surrogacy research and how unregulated that world can be.
• Chandler: “This woman is dealing with, like, a mental illness, and it’s just absolutely crazy.” (37:56)

5. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (SLOMW): Marriage Secrets Revealed

[39:22–43:14]

• Jessi Draper confesses on "Viall Files" that her husband Jordan tried to blackmail her over messages with her affair partner Marciano, even having TikTok exposés drafted against her.
• Chandler: “This relationship ... is not one that is worth trying to salvage.” (41:02)
• Lauren senses a separation is imminent, referencing their house being listed for sale.
• Discusses broader systemic issues—in particular, women sticking with subpar (or emotionally abusive) husbands in Mormon and other communities.

6. Megan King’s Custody Battle

[43:22–46:36]

• Megan King (formerly Edmonds) lost temporary custody of her children to ex Jim Edmonds (post a CPS call triggered by a seemingly innocuous incident).
• Lauren expresses skepticism about the narrative, suggesting it’s a damaging headline with scant substance.
• Chandler recalls from The Real Housewives of OC that Megan seemed the more present, caring parent.

7. Bill Belichick at Adult Cheerleading

[46:46–49:26]

• NFL coach Bill Belichick supports his new girlfriend, Jordan Hudson, at a national cheerleading championship.
  • Hosts are both bewildered that adult cheer competitions exist and crack jokes about their own embarrassing cheer/dance stories.
• Chandler: “If you're gonna be a gold digger, you might as well ... get some investment properties, ladies.” (49:30)

8. RHSLC Recap: The Church Scene & More

[49:54–59:30]

• Andy Cohen claims latest Real Housewives of Salt Lake City scene is one of his "top 10 of all time"—the sisters reluctantly agree the church scene is wild but not truly iconic.
• Mary Cosby “blesses” Lisa to have "a sound mind," which both find to be the ultimate backhanded shade from the pulpit.
  • Lauren: "[Mary] is actually one of the rudest women on the show." (52:14)
• Extended rundown of the cast’s romantic drama:
  • Bronwyn and Todd’s marital awkwardness (including cringe “open marriage” talk).
  • Brittany and Jared’s on-camera, middle-school-style romantic fight.
  • Lisa and John Barlow’s emotional disconnect—with Lisa expressing sadness that John no longer hugs her.
• Lauren: “...unlike Bronwyn/Todd or Brittany/Jared, not exactly greatest love stories, but I feel there was real love there and partnership” (58:51)
• Both hosts admit they are "sitting enthusiasts" and would not survive an energetic church service.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Meghan Markle’s Duchess demands:
  • Chandler: “To announce Megan to the one other person at the home. I mean, that's insane.” [23:53]
  • Lauren: “I just straight up do not even like her anymore. ... None of the stories make me like her more. They all make me like her less.” [28:19]
• On Queen Camilla’s gaffe:
  • Chandler (British accent): “Haven’t you lost masses of weight?” [14:29]
  • Lauren: “I think I'd want to sit next to Camilla ... she's just kind of no bullshit.” [17:07]
• On the surrogacy saga:
  • Chandler: “Honestly, this woman is dealing with, like, a mental illness, and it's just absolutely crazy.” [37:56]
• On SLOMW's Jessi and Jordan:
  • Chandler: “This relationship ... is not one that is worth trying to salvage.” [41:02]
  • Lauren: “I'm not seeing a lot of mutual respect here.” [41:13]
• On Mary Cosby blessing Lisa at church:
  • Lauren: “[Mary] is actually one of the rudest women on the show.” [52:14]
• On supporting your girlfriend’s adult hobbies:
  • Lauren: “I want to be charitable with my opinion here ... that's got to be a little bit of an annoying way to spend your Saturday.” [47:18]
• Self-deprecating confession:
  • Chandler: “We're sitting enthusiasts. We love a seat. Love a bench.” [53:48]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Airline Snack Chat & Travel Banter: [02:40–05:37]
• Zach Bryan Sobriety & Country Music Scandal: [06:11–12:03]
• Queen Camilla’s Etiquette Goof: [13:22–18:14]
• Meghan Markle’s Duchess Demands: [19:10–28:36]
• 15-Child Nurse & Signature Forgery Surrogacy Saga: [29:03–39:13]
• SLOMW’s Jessi Marriage Secrets: [39:22–43:14]
• Megan King Custody Loss: [43:22–46:36]
• Bill Belichick’s Cheerleader Girlfriend: [46:46–49:26]
• RHSLC Recap: [49:54–59:30]

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Closing Thoughts

A dense, chatty, and juicy “Global Elites” episode, with Lauren and Chandler’s signature blend of insider knowledge, irreverence, and genuine pop culture obsession. Whether dissecting royal protocols or the latest Bravo drama, the sisters maintain a fast pace and cutting humor, offering both amusement and insight for even the most plugged-in celebrity gossip fans.

Transcript

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

If you are not a global elite.

[Chandler]

You get a taste of what it's like, and I would urge you to maybe consider joining. It's a really fun way to support the show and get another episode of Pop Apologists every week. And I will just say, 2020, 20, 2020, 2026 is going to be a banger year for global elites. So without further ado, please enjoy this episode and I'm excited for you all to hear it.

[Lauren]

Well, well, well. Welcome everybody to another Global Elites episode. Together with Lauren and Chandler.

[Chandler]

Together with us in the third person. We're only going to be talking the third person today. It's going to be a really fun experience for everyone.

[Lauren]

Ladies and gentlemen, Lauren, you have another travel day in front of you.

[Chandler]

Yeah, so I came up here on Tuesday. We recorded for the Wednesday episode, and then yesterday we recorded a deep dive on Lily Allen. So that's coming out December 3rd. And then we went to a little influencer event, which was fun. And then tomorrow, tomorrow, today I'm going home, but we're recording this before I leave. So, yeah, I'm back on JetBlue. You know, I'm going to indulge in the Mediterranean bowl, probably.

[Lauren]

What? Yeah. What kind of snacks do they have on JetBlue? I haven't flown it in a while.

[Chandler]

Thank you for asking. There's goldfish, there's granola bars. There's those Biscoff cookies, which I think are horrendous.

[Lauren]

Well, I'm so glad you bring that up, because my biggest gripe, I fly Delta a lot. Not to brag. Typically flying, you know, basic economy. That's the, that's the tier where you don't get your money back at all. In fact, I think they charge you more if you cancel. Yeah, but that's typically like the airline I'm flying. And I'm so sick of the same bullshit snacks. I'm so sick of the Sun Chips or the Biscoff cookies. I, I, I'm sick of it. I, I literally, I never want to have another Sun Chip ever again in my entire, in my, in my mortal life.

[Chandler]

Is it a collective human experience that when Biscoff first hit the scene, it was kind of like a new, interesting flavor? Like, do you remember your first time having a Biscoff cookie on a flight?

[Lauren]

Once again, so glad you asked. I remember my first time having the Biscoff kind of butter from Trader Joe's and being like, this, Is this nectar? What is this thick, creamy nectar?

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

But yet somehow, airlines have ruined that flavor profile forever.

[Chandler]

No, it's, it's basically, it's the taste equivalent of the auditory experience of your alarm.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

You know, it just puts you into a miserable situation.

[Lauren]

Like, if I were to take a bite of Biscoff cookie, you know, at sea level, I would instantly be transported to 38. And just like the, like, white noise of a plane.

[Chandler]

No, it's, it's terrible. And honestly, the flight from New York to Puerto Rico, it's just long enough to feel long. It's four hours in the air.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And so it's like just long enough to not feel. Yeah. To not feel like a brief little flight.

[Lauren]

Totally Like, I think, you know, there are people who take flights for work that are 90 minutes, two hours, two and a half hours tops.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

That's just, that's just commuting.

[Chandler]

You can get through that. But when it's like three a lot, sometimes it's like three hours and 45 minutes, it just can be a little rough. So I'm not looking forward to it, I'll be honest.

[Lauren]

Well, honestly. Because that is, that's like long enough time where you can kind of watch a couple TV shows, but then you still have like two hours to go. And it's really when you, you know, tap on your little flight screen and see that you have 2 hours and 47 minutes left, that you're just like, how am I going to get through this? That's when you really start to lose it.

[Chandler]

No, when it's above the 2 hour and 30 minute mark, it just feels like this is interminable. So, yeah, they have, they have Biscoff cookies. They have. I don't know. Actually, I probably shouldn't get into this. No one gives two shits about JetBlue snacks.

[Lauren]

I just asked because I'm so sick of the Delta flight snack selection. So anyway, thank you for making the trek to and from.

[Chandler]

My pleasure, Puerto Rico.

[Lauren]

Lots has happened in the last 24 hours.

[Chandler]

Yes. So we have so much to get into. Where should we start?

[Lauren]

I would like to start with just some of the quicker stories, things where I, you know, I don't need to spend 15 minutes dialoguing, monologuing, I should say monologuing in your case, dialoguing in mind. I want to start off with the fact that Zach Brian has revealed that he is two months sober after a quote, earth shattering mental health struggle crisis.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So he took to Instagram on Tuesday and he reflected on a 20 day motorcycle trip across the country that led him to figure out that he really needs some help. That's his words, not mine. So he goes on and he says being in the military for a decade and then thrown into the spotlight, that I fully hadn't comprehended the scope of had some subconscious effects on me as a person. I was not content. But I also feared showing weakness because that's not who I am or how I was raised to charge forward and never settle was the motto. He says he was stuck in a perpetual discontent that led him to always reach for alcohol. Not for the taste, I mean, obviously, but because there was a consistent black hole in him always needing its void filled.

[Chandler]

Do you not like the taste of alcohol? At all. Like, you don't.

[Lauren]

I'm never reaching for it. I. I like the taste of red wine sometimes.

[Chandler]

Or like a glass of whiskey neat.

[Lauren]

Never.

[Chandler]

Never like a sipping tequila.

[Lauren]

That's not that to me. I don. By anyone who's like, I crave. I mean, I don't. I mean, actually I crave the taste of maybe a blue cheese martini. Yeah, like martini. I should say that.

[Chandler]

I don't know. I. Anyway, I find that that just is an interesting.

[Lauren]

Aside from him, I always rather a tall glass of like cranberry juice or apple juice or grape juice. Grape juice. Any juice, Grape soda. Grape soda, orange soda, A cactus cooler. I'd prefer any of those things to alcohol 99.9% of the time.

[Chandler]

Yes. So.

[Lauren]

So anyway, now that we've reduced Zach Bryan's sobriety struggle to, you know, I mean, that's.

[Chandler]

The reason why I brought that up is because there's actually very little interesting to me about this factoid. I just feel like I need Zach Bryan to quit yapping and just keep singing. You know, keep the songs coming. But maybe, I don't know, the sob stories we can keep to a minimum.

[Lauren]

In the words of the letter that was written to the chicks, you know, shut up and sing. Your life will be ruined.

[Chandler]

I don't know, it's just like, I feel like.

[Lauren]

Excellent song.

[Chandler]

This just screams. Oh, yes, shut up and sing when your life will be.

[Lauren]

I have a distinct memory of being at the playground across from grandma's house, listening to that song on my ipod and just being like, just feeling so much.

[Chandler]

They've been through so, so much. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Anyway, back to Zach Bryan.

[Chandler]

I mean, how did you feel about that, given that you were pro George Bush and they were anti George Bush?

[Lauren]

Oh, it was com. Thank you again. Thank you so much for asking. Big source of inner conflict for me. Yeah. And kind of like understanding nuance.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

You know, for the first time in my. In my young life, George Bush was Chandler.

[Chandler]

Sexual awakening, everyone.

[Lauren]

Not my sexual awakening. You've not taken this from like, childhood crush, which is not. Not true. There we go. But not sexual awakening. There's a difference between your crush and your sexual awakening. When you start to feel things was.

[Chandler]

There's just something earthy and authoritative about his, like, sexual tan to you.

[Lauren]

Once again, I was brainwashed by our extremely Republican par. And I was very pro the Iraqi war. Iraqi rise up. Well, first of all, my military state.

[Chandler]

No, no, let's keep that shit.

[Lauren]

I was very pro the war on terror and I was very, very Pro what? I was very against weapons of mass destruction.

[Chandler]

There's just.

[Lauren]

At the age of seven, there is just nothing. Iraqi war. I'm sorry.

[Chandler]

There's nothing more American than the Iraqi war. When I'm pretty sure if you're, like, actually in the Middle east, it's pronounced Iraq, but, you know, chance, like Iraqi. Anyway, look, I'm just trying to talk about anything other than I can tell.

[Lauren]

And you're me. And you love making me look like a fool. Anyway, everybody.

[Chandler]

I do not.

[Lauren]

That was me when I was 7. I now have, you know, much more conflicted feelings about. About war in general.

[Chandler]

How much George Bush porn have you watched? Shut up.

[Lauren]

Zero. Literally zero.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

I would like to talk about Zach Brian. I'm sure it actually does exist. I have something to say.

[Chandler]

Even if you create it with AI.

[Lauren]

If you really want your lips. Clip, Clip. I have some things to say. Even if it's just me monologuing. So obviously we. We covered the big scandal last year about this time, I believe, you know, in. In November was the Brianna Chicken Fry.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

You know. Yeah. Of it all. Drink fry. Of it all. That's when all that, like, that bomb got dropped. And so I think it's been a year since all that came out. I think this was the only way the situation could go.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

You know, it was. He was in a downward spiral. I know you don't want to talk about this, so just try to fix your face because you already. You're already looking. So I'm intrigued anyway, like, we all knew something bad was going on and that he was a bad guy. I can't wait for the album that's going to come out post. You know, I think rehab is a great place to write some music. It's great place to work on yourself, obviously, first and foremost, and then a great place to write some music. And I'm also going to say that I think Briana did him a favor. She did him a favor by not keeping his secrets and kind of forcing him to reckon with his behavior.

[Chandler]

Do you think he's really reckoning with his behavior?

[Lauren]

I think he is. I think he is way more than he was a year ago. So that's all. That's my little monologue on Zach Brian. Did you bring anything else to the table?

[Chandler]

Do you remember we had two gaffes when it came to the Zach Bryan story. When we initially reported on it. First we said that her last name fully is Chicken Fry. We're like, no, guys, that's her last name. It is Chicken Fry. And then we also reported about that other couple on Instagram. Instagram, remember? Where he was like, basically, there's another country singer with Zach as the first name who has a girlfriend who looks identical to Brianna Chicken Fry. And he took her to, like, all the same places and, like, posted all the same photos, and the ex girlfriend, like, post put it together and posted it. Do you remember this?

[Lauren]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Anyway, we were like, we're on a. Chicken Fry has taken Instagram because Zach Bryan has, you know, been all. Basically has been kind of redoing all the things they did together. And she posted all of it.

[Lauren]

Yeah. What was wrong?

[Chandler]

Well, that wasn't a chicken fry and Zach Bryan, that was a different country singer named Zach.

[Lauren]

I don't know that I believe that. And I don't know that we even made that gap, because that still rings true in my head, that story. Anyway, okay, let's move on.

[Chandler]

Clearly, I have nothing of substance to say.

[Lauren]

Literally. I. I wish you had prepared more and complained less. So.

[Chandler]

Okay, my. My take, my true take.

[Lauren]

Here we go. Is that.

[Chandler]

It's just. I feel like it's a classic. If you get caught as an abuser of some kind, it's always like, oh, I went to rehab, so I'm good now, you know?

[Lauren]

But what.

[Chandler]

I feel like that's a pretty vanilla and obvious take. It's like stating the obvious. So I meant to, you know, joke around.

[Lauren]

Instead, I.

[Chandler]

We know.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I agree. I think that, yeah, this is a classic pattern of behavior. I. I wonder if Jennifer Aniston's hypnotist boyfriend could really do some work on him. I'd like to see a series where. What's his name again? Something is a hot name.

[Chandler]

It's not. It's Jim something.

[Lauren]

Jim Curtis.

[Chandler]

Jim Curtis.

[Lauren]

I was about to say Brad Curtis, but that's wrong. Not a hot name, actually. I take it back. Anyway, I would love to see a series where Jim Curtis is, like, Hollywood fixer.

[Sarah]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

You know, like mental fixer.

[Chandler]

That would be great.

[Lauren]

Yeah, right. And can't you just, like. I mean, he's already doing it on Instagram for free. He should get a Hulu deal at the very least.

[Chandler]

Like that celebrity Big Brother rehab edition.

[Lauren]

If you want to talk about bottom of the barrel content.

[Chandler]

I'm just saying that could be a nice spin off.

[Lauren]

I agree. I completely agree. Let's move on, though, to Queen Camilla, because she had a gaffe herself.

[Chandler]

She did. Okay, everyone. Queen Camilla awkwardly committed an etiquette. No, no. By asking Gavin and Stacy. I Think that's a show in the uk?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

This actress, Ruth Jones from the show Gavin and Stacy.

[Lauren]

I almost just said like a Regis and Philba, but isn't it Regis and Kelly? And is his name Regis Philba?

[Chandler]

Phil. Wait, no, Philbin.

[Lauren]

Regis Philbin.

[Chandler]

No. Oh, yeah, Regis, Regis and Kelly. Regis Philbin. P H I L, B I, N. Oh my gosh.

[Lauren]

I can't believe you just spelled Regis's name Regis's last name from memory.

[Chandler]

Why? You just couldn't believe it?

[Lauren]

I couldn't spell it. Anyway, back to Gavin and Stacy.

[Chandler]

We're gonna try to keep this train on the track.

[Lauren]

Or not. We make no promises.

[Chandler]

Okay, so Camilla, I guess, was meeting Ruth Jones, this actress in the show Gavin and Stacy, and she asked her if she lost weight during her recent trip to South Wales over the weekend. So this is the exact quote she said, haven't you lost masses of weight? Should I do it in British accent?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Haven't you lost masses of weight? Ew, what was that?

[Lauren]

It's like 14th century or something. I don't know. You like didn't move your upper lip.

[Chandler]

I was trying to do a, like.

[Lauren]

Haven'T you lost masses of weight? Okay. So much worse. That was so much worse. It's like Irish, I think. Haven't you lost masses of weight?

[Chandler]

Okay. Weird. Wow. Can we talk today? Can we do this episode? I hope so.

[Lauren]

No, I need to find the word like. There's a word that's like toffee pudding. Haven't you lost masses of weight?

[Chandler]

That was better. That was better. So Ruth Jones replied and she said.

[Lauren]

Yes, I have less breath. Why is there so much breath?

[Chandler]

Okay, yes, I have. Thank you. I've lost a bit of weight. You're.

[Lauren]

It's like, oh my gosh, like Mrs. Weasley in the 14th century.

[Chandler]

Anyway.

[Lauren]

Okay, so what's crazy here though is that Ruth Jones went on to say that her hypnotist, Paul McKenna, not Jim Curtis, not to be confused with Jim Curtis, successfully trained her to curb her diet.

[Chandler]

Really?

[Lauren]

Yes. In the age of Ozempic.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I'm just like, I love that people are coming up with excuses like, well, my hypnotist just literally trained me, just was like, eat less.

[Chandler]

I mean, do you think that that's.

[Lauren]

What I'm trying to do in a British accent?

[Chandler]

Don't you think that's what someone says so when they don't want to admit that they're shooting up?

[Lauren]

Of course, of course. I mean, but it is, it's quite far fetched. But I hope Paul McKenna is getting.

[Chandler]

A lot of business far fetched. Ruth Jones.

[Lauren]

That was great.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

We finally got it.

[Chandler]

We finally got it.

[Lauren]

I have a couple things to say about Queen Camilla here, please. Is it really Queen Camilla? Isn't there like some, like, queen.

[Chandler]

It's.

[Lauren]

Well, I think Queen like assistant to the manager, not like assistant manager.

[Chandler]

So at one point she was Queen Consort Camilla. I really need you to, you know, just kind of brush up before we get to recordings, please.

[Lauren]

Queen Consort Camilla.

[Chandler]

But that consort was dropped when the Queen died. Well, obviously it was after the Queen died because she didn't become a queen while Elizabeth was queen.

[Lauren]

That makes sense. That checks out.

[Chandler]

But yeah, at some point afterwards.

[Lauren]

Okay. Well, Queen Camilla, I would just want to say thank you for bringing a little bit of spice to the humdrum, boring royal events. You know, we never hear about funny things they say because they never say anything funny. And this also led me to a realization that, like, I think if I were to, if I were to be invited to dinner at the palace, which is never going to happen because of our 35 part series, 47 part series on Kate Middleton, I think I'd want to sit next to Camilla. I feel like she'd be the most like, honest and just like fun to gab with.

[Chandler]

You just know that you would cuddle up next to Camilla.

[Lauren]

I don't like she's cuddly. Okay.

[Chandler]

I think that you are sidling up to her. Yeah. With a glass of sherry.

[Lauren]

You and her two drinks deep.

[Chandler]

And you're talking a little British.

[Lauren]

Yeah. You're cheersing the port.

[Chandler]

Yes. And it, you know what? It slaps.

[Lauren]

It slaps. It's. I'm sure she's got so many thoughts on Andrew.

[Chandler]

Oh, I'm sure she has many thoughts on Megan.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

I'm skipping right past Andrew and getting to the Megan of it all with Camilla.

[Lauren]

I don't know. Yeah. Maybe I've just like come full circle and. Yeah. Kind of into Camilla. Well, yeah.

[Chandler]

I mean, you know what, she has that earthy sensuality that trapped Charles, you know, and in, in her gaze, in his gaze. And I think that there would just be a warmth to her. I don't. Irresistible.

[Lauren]

I don't think there's a warmth to her.

[Chandler]

I think there's.

[Lauren]

I actually think she's like the least warm person, but I think there's like just. She's just kind of no bullshit. And I think she's just, she's been through a lot like of, of media scorn and so she Kind of maybe gives no fucks. Well, here's.

[Chandler]

Here's what I think the real situation is. I think with Camilla, she was really born into the upper echelons of British society. So she's comfortable there. So she's more comfortable being herself. Unlike potentially a Kate. Yeah. Who kind of was like upper middle class and is always proving herself, who's maybe more prim and perfect. And unlike a Megan as well, who definitely is very image conscious, I think. I think Camille's like, I know that I belong in these stately manners with the Martianesses. Okay. With the Counts.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

With the Dukes. And so I don't need to prove myself. And so I can just spill the tea. I can pour some Earl Grey and spill some tea while I'm at it.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I can say what I want to say. I think that, yeah, she's always been very comfortable in her own skin, which I think is. Was attractive to Charles.

[Chandler]

Yeah, absolutely. Let's move forward though, because there's someone who is less comfortable in her own skin, I believe.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

So we must get into. So, Megan Markle. There's a article in Page Six called how Meghan Markle and Prince Harry are preparing for Thanksgiving with Archie and Lily's help.

[Lauren]

Slow news day, everybody.

[Chandler]

This is a very nothing Burgerman article. She talks about how she likes to walk with Archie and Lily basically in their gardens in Montecito, amongst. Amongst the honeycomb. Is that what it says?

[Lauren]

So all of this came from the as Ever newsletter which I tried to get my mitts on. It's hard for me to find. Oh, really? But I think Page Six pulled a story from the newsletter.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And this whole newsletter is about the sage honey. Sage honey recipe. Sage honey that she wants to dress her turkey in. That's like coming from her garden.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So like I said, slow news day.

[Chandler]

This is the quote. She says those strolls with Archie and Lily running in tow, her husband checking on the bees, Pula chasing the ball with Mia trying to keep up. Those were the sun drenched moments that made an everyday walk something a bit more magical. And that sage, that purple that sent around the garden was always there in the background. Okay? So the copywriter is really working hard. Okay.

[Lauren]

I mean, aren't they always.

[Chandler]

She's put her shoulder to the wheel to sell that sage honey with honeycomb.

[Lauren]

And you know what, everybody? Lucky for you, sage honey is now available for your holiday table to beautifully dress your Thanksgiving feast, either on the bird or the vegetables. I also just want to take issue with one other suggestion here. Which is to, you know, use the vinaigrette. Just a spoonful in your tea. I don't want any vinaigrette in my teeth. No, I'm good.

[Chandler]

I have actually more egregious things to take issue with. So I would like to move forward, if that's okay. Yeah. I do find that to be a disgusting condiment recommendation. So thank you for shedding light and raising awareness, you guys. So Megan has covered Harper's Bazaar. Did you see this?

[Lauren]

Yes. Yeah.

[Chandler]

So I read the article.

[Lauren]

You did?

[Chandler]

And there are two moments in the article that really stuck out at me.

[Lauren]

Please share.

[Chandler]

Most of them are very boring. It's like. It's basically. I swear, they're, like, on her payroll. This Harper's Bazaar article is so up her ass, and it is just. It's platitude after tripe. Platitude again. Someone said Lauren has it out for Megan. I truly don't. I like her. I like her. What's that face?

[Lauren]

No one's buying me, I think. I don't think you like her anymore.

[Chandler]

Really?

[Lauren]

Yeah. I mean, I think that you find more annoyance with her than delight.

[Chandler]

No. Because in my head, she isn't what she seems to be. But only because she's like. I don't know. In my head, I do like her.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

That's. That's my experience. She's kind of like. You know what she's like. She's like a sister who you love but is annoying on some level. Yeah.

[Lauren]

You know, does annoying things, for sure. Okay.

[Chandler]

So anyway, cutting to the chase. The article is filled with a lot of trite platitudes, and it's about like. Like. Okay, let me share one moment. The journalist says when I ask Megan what she hopes her kids see when they see her working, she tells me, I hope they see the value of being brave. They saw it when the jam was just a pot on the stove bubbling. When you're young, she adds, I think you're a little bit more fearless. As we get older, we lose some of that.

[Lauren]

Just kind of doing a ritual to, like, before I go to bed, just so I can kind of. Because I'm falling asleep. Well, I'm sorry, but what's brave about.

[Chandler]

The jam on the stove?

[Lauren]

Well, it was just, you know, it was just a twinkle in her eye.

[Chandler]

It was just this.

[Lauren]

This dream, this small dream of the jam being in every home across America. It was just, you know, a bubbling pot on the stove. I cried. I've never seen someone try so hard to make Jam their personality.

[Chandler]

It's a preserved Chandler. Please. Sorry. Okay, so anyway, the article is a total snooze, but there are two moments that actually you must, if you read it, you must pay attention to. So the first happens about midway through the article. So the writer writes, when I meet up with Megan a week later on a stormy day in New York. She's wearing black leggings and an oversized North Northwestern sweatshirt. Her hair is pulled back, and if she has any makeup on, it's difficult to tell. We're in a grand brownstone on the Upper east side that belongs to one of Megan's friends. When I enter, the house manager announces Megan, Duchess of Sussex, even though we appear to be the only people in the house. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Wait, hold on.

[Chandler]

Okay, let me, like.

[Lauren]

No, I. I heard you, but. So can we reenact this? You open the door. Door. You open the door. You know, keys, you know, clinging or whatever. You open the door, you take a start taking off your shoes. And then all of a sudden, the house manager, who's not a butler, who's just like, probably someone, some hourly employee, is like, Meghan, the Duchess of Sussex.

[Chandler]

I mean, that's insane.

[Lauren]

Is that what happened?

[Chandler]

Yes. To announce Megan to the one other person at the home.

[Lauren]

I think people only did that, like, if you were actually in some type of palace. Yes.

[Chandler]

At some sort of, like, state dinner.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Like, you have to have one of those, like, sashes on you, like, and shoulder pads.

[Chandler]

It's pretty wild. That detail, like, that's fucking crazy. Can you imagine inviting someone over to a place you're staying and having your.

[Lauren]

Friend'S house and I'm at your own home.

[Chandler]

It's having, I guess, your friend's employee announce you and announce your title.

[Lauren]

Yeah. How does that go down? We're like, just so you know, when I get here, I'm going to expect to be announced. Well, otherwise I won't know what to do. I have to be queued in.

[Chandler]

This part of the article is so interesting because it doesn't only happen once, it happens twice. So there's also a part of the article where they're at a museum and there's a bunch of, like, kids, like, like school girls, so it says. A cluster of white tents has been set up at the La Brea Tar Pits, the active fossil dig site and natural history museum in Los Angeles, to receive a group of girls from a local STEM academy. One tent near the entrance is appointed with a handsome worn looking desk with a tarp hanging behind it. That's Printed with a reproduction of a nature painting, it looks like the movie version of an archaeologist's field Station. The 11 and 12 year olds in their purple and gray uniforms are unaware of who they're about to meet. It's a warm September day and I can hear them murmuring outside the tent. A golf cart pulls up, the gravel crunching beneath its tires. The Duchess of Sussex, someone in the scrum announces. Megan descends, dressed in wide leg trousers, a silk blouse and. And a small pair of pave diamond studs.

[Lauren]

Girl, I thought you left all that behind it.

[Chandler]

It's like, even if she was still a working royal, both of these situations would be so weird to say, please announce me to the one other person that you know in this home, to this one visitor, or please announce me and my title to these school children.

[Lauren]

Well, I think, too, yeah. Like, let's look at the audience here. The one reporter, journalist from Humper's Bazaar, and then a group of school children. It's not like you're going to meet, you know, the president. It's not like you're going to the White House and you need to kind of like, show, you know, your status.

[Chandler]

It is, you know, what it's giving. What it is giving the Countess with the cab driver. Yeah, you know, you know, or the driver. What does she say? She says, this is my friend Luann. And then they get out of the car.

[Lauren]

Yeah. No, no, I think Bethany says, like.

[Chandler]

Bethany says is my. This is Luann.

[Lauren]

Yeah, but it's not. But it's to Bethany's driver or to Luanne's driver.

[Chandler]

No, no, because Luann's driver would know to call her, by the way.

[Lauren]

Yeah, And. Oh, yeah. And then. And then Luanne's like, when they get in the car, she's like, actually, you.

[Chandler]

Know, wait, let's pull it up.

[Lauren]

Clever is a guy who once in a while drives for Jason, and we called him that night to drop us off. This is Luann. This is clever.

[Sarah]

Hi. Hi.

[Lauren]

How are you? Oh, I totally felt awkward being introduced.

[Sarah]

To the driver as Luann. I'm not used to that.

[Lauren]

If you introduce me to, like, a driver, it's like, this is total sex, you know, like kids. Oh, it's like a level of respect. Yeah, it's a level of respect, you know. Oh, really? My husband would actually be like, oh, my God, is this real? Do you really care what a driver calls you? And I said, I did not have the Countess handbook. So I apologize. I had no idea. Oh. I was like, hey, Flu Ann, we're all having a beer together.

[Sarah]

Yeah, exactly.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

Like, come in and do a shot with us.

[Chandler]

Yeah, exactly.

[Lauren]

Got it. Yeah. Because you don't understand. I can't. There's no separation of church and state with me. There's not. I feel. It's not about church and state.

[Sarah]

I would have thought that Bethany would.

[Lauren]

Have known that, you know, So I was surprised that I had to explain it to her. Giving Rosanna.

[Chandler]

You know, she calls me Mrs. D.

[Lauren]

Did you notice that? She calls me.

[Chandler]

No.

[Lauren]

And she would not call me. She wouldn't call me Bethany. She'd call me Mrs. Whatever. Yeah. Really?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

This was, like, astounding. It was just. I just could. I just was like. All right. I was just like, who care of yourself. Clever. Would you mind getting out and opening up Mr. Step's door, please? Just, like, a level of respect.

[Chandler]

It's a level of respect.

[Lauren]

It's a level of respect.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And you know what? Neither of us demand any type of level of respect from people.

[Chandler]

And because we don't deserve it.

[Lauren]

We don't deserve it. And people can tell.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, there is just something so hilarious as. Well.

[Lauren]

I don't know.

[Chandler]

It's just so funny to me that she's so. That she's so obsessed with this pomp and circumstance. And honestly, in situations that just are. It's not fitting. I'm sorry.

[Lauren]

I just straight up do not even like her anymore. Okay, you don't like her anymore. I just think we hear a lot of stories from, you know, the press. We hear a lot of stories from insiders who know her.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And nothing, nothing really makes me like her more. None of the stories make me like her more. They all make me like her less.

[Chandler]

Sadly, I will say in her defense, the Logan hall sales assistant I was talking to who used to sell her jewelry said she was only super lovely. So, you know what?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And if you're in a good mood, though, when you're buying diamonds. So.

[Lauren]

Absolutely. And, yeah, I mean, she might be nice. I don't actually know. I don't even. She's probably in a good mood when she's buying diamonds. I'll just go ahead and, you know, agree with that.

[Chandler]

Okay, this next story is really wild. So a wealthy nurse has given birth to her 13th child at the age of 62. That's not even the story. She faked her husband's signature to have a 14th and 15th child via a surrogate.

[Lauren]

So we're talking about Mary Beth Lewis.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

And. And Bob Lewis. Bob Lewis is her Husband. They met together while working. I believe they were both, like, in military service. She was a nurse. He, I think, was an Air Force. In the Air Force. He's a pilot. And so they meet, they fall in love, and they proceed to have five daughters. All right. And Mary Beth doesn't really want to stop having children ever. And what we see is this pattern of, like, once the youngest child becomes no longer a toddler, she's ready to have more children. So she gives birth to twin girls just weeks before her 50th birthday and then gives birth to another daughter three years later, and then welcomes twin boys, you know, in 2012. So then she's 55, and she has 10 children of her own. She still felt like her calling with motherhood was incomplete.

[Chandler]

Family was not completely.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So they had run out of their own embryos, but they purchased donor sperm and eggs to create a new batch of embryos. So she was then impregnated with the donor embryos and welcomed her 11th and 12th child at the age of 59. So she keeps having twins because a lot of times, especially with these older pregnancies or. And with, like, just implantation, they will insert two or three embryos or whatever, because, like, a lot of times not all of them will take. So she has then her 11th and 12th children at the age of 59. So she gives birth then to her 13th child at 62 years old. Doctors absolutely forbid her from having any more pregnancies. And, you know, there are, like, serious repercussions for her body. You know, she's had lots of C sections, so she's at 13 children at this. At this point. And even her children are like, this has to stop. But I think actually, for this, most. This pregnancy, for her 13th child, they had everyone over for Easter, and they gave everyone a little egg with a little, you know, piece of paper inside of it that said, we're expecting.

[Chandler]

Okay. Wow.

[Lauren]

And her kids were just like, oh, my God. Baffled.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And so they continue on in this journey. And Bob at this point is like, we are done. This is done. You know, But Mary Beth forges ahead, and she decides to pay a surrogate to carry two more children. So basically, she agrees to pay a surrogate $50,000 carrying the. For carrying the children. An additional 7,000 of two fetal heartbeats were detected. And the crazy thing is, I was like, this is so expensive.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

All of these children, you know, via surrogate. And Bob is a FedEx pilot. I think he's, like, paid quite well. He flies all over the world, like, you know, for FedEx. And he's not home a lot.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And so when I was listening to this podcast about the New York Times article that came out, and they were just saying that, you know, for the most part, Bob didn't really have to experience having all of these children. Interesting. But that, like, the older children had to help take care of these younger children. So many of them, to the point where they were even delaying having kids themselves because they felt like they were, like, needed. Well, anyway, to, like, to be of help.

[Chandler]

I feel like that's a lot of what you hear in, like, polygamous communities and communities where there's so many kids, is that the older kids. I remember hearing, I think it was Polygamy usa. One of the daughters was like, I just don't want to have kids yet. Even. Even though she was of, you know, she was getting married and she was a child rearing age or whatever.

[Lauren]

Childbearing age.

[Chandler]

Excuse me. Because she said that she just felt like she'd been around little kids her entire life, taking care of them, and, like, wanted a break from that.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

So, yeah, I just think that's like a super common experience.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So, okay, so she's at her 13th child and she's now wanting more.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So she agrees to pay this surrogate and they implant the two embryos. And Bob does not know about it.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And she says that she was just sort of, you know, she knew that it wasn't going to go over well.

[Chandler]

But she just felt like he would come around.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So it's eight weeks before she's supposed to. You know, this is so crazy. The surrogate is supposed to give birth and she tells Bob. Yeah, well, actually she only. Bob only finds out because so she. She is forging his signatures all the time. She's just totally, you know, you know, committing fraud. And there's a hearing via Zoom about the, you know, the rights to the kids or something. I don't remember the exact name, but there's a normal hearing.

[Chandler]

I think in some jurisdictions you have to meet, like, actually meet with the judge to have the. To be on the birth certificate.

[Lauren]

Correct. Yeah, I think that was probably what it was. So they have this hearing. It's over Zoom. You know, post Covid, everything is done on Zoom, or a lot of, like, court things are done via Zoom now. And she creates a Zoom account as Bob, posing as Bob. And when the judge asks questions to Bob, she just sort of like grunts in. In approval.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So the judge Though kind of has a weird feeling about this.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And the judge decides to have like the signed documents or whatever know, documentation came out of that hearing sent to the home address, not to a P.O. box Mary Beth had opened to receive all this to keep it from Bob. So Bob comes home, sees the documents, freaks out, and he calls Mary Beth and he says, I'm calling the police on you. Yeah, you know, you've been frauding me. I. I do not want these children. This is, you know, but they're like literally about to, you know, be born. And what's absolutely crazy is that social services are called and it becomes this huge thing. The police, you know, are involved, and at one point they're in some type of heated discussion with the authorities. And Mary Beth says, you know, I think either Bob says, I want a divorce or I'm leaving you or whatever. And she goes, well, if you leave me, I get half of everything. And within a few days, they've totally amended fences and they are united front. And they're like, we. These are our children. We are fighting for these children.

[Chandler]

Cheaper to keep her.

[Lauren]

Yes. So the children were born and they were placed in the care of foster parents.

[Chandler]

Yes. Who want to adopt the children.

[Lauren]

Really want to adopt the children. And it's been two years and Bob and Mary Beth are still fighting for these children.

[Chandler]

And it's interesting because Bob seems to really regret having called the police on his wife because it's. It's created a ton of huge legal bills for them and it's created this huge legal battle for them to get these kids, which I guess he has now co signed getting. And it seems like, though the judge indicated that they're going to get them.

[Lauren]

Did you? Yeah, I think that what I was hearing when I was doing my. What I was seeing and hearing was I was doing more research about this is that there's some type of precedence with like intent and intended parents. You know, that's an expression, right. With surrogacy, like the intended parents. So because Bob and Mary Beth, you know, were the. Were the people who created these children, not, you know, biologically, but because they were the ones who, you know, made these embryos. Like they. It's always been their intention to be the parent. So because of that precedent, that it is likely that they will get the children, I think. But it's really crazy. I mean, this story is just crazy because I think too, she had all of these other, you know, pregnancies in her late 50s, and you're not like a lot of Clinics will not, you know, implant an embryo into somebody who's over the age of 45 or something.

[Chandler]

I think it's 55, I think, because I. Obviously, we're going through the surrogacy process on me and Kagan and on the forms. It's like, after you turn 55, like, basically, what do you want done with your embryos? Like. Like, once you turn 55, we. Like, this isn't. We don't approve, basically.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So.

[Lauren]

And. But I guess, like, they were able to just find clinics who would bend the rules. Like, a lot of this stuff is unregulated. And so, anyway, that's how they were able to even get to this many children that she, you know, carried on her own. I. I really am struck by this story because, you know, they are staying together and these. It's just there are so many children in this family now, and it's just really not fair to them. I mean, now they're in their, like, late 60s.

[Chandler]

Yeah, well. And also, all the older kids are essentially de facto parents, potentially, if something happens to them, because they're not, you know, they're not super young anymore. They're in their. They're in their mid to late 60s. And so, yeah, it's. It's a really crazy story. Obviously, this woman is dealing with, like, a mental illness, and it's just. It's absolutely crazy.

[Lauren]

And I think about these, like, sweet little children who have been born who now, you know, under these, like, really bizarre circumstances. And they were wanted by their parents, but their parents are not capable of raising them at that, you know, old of an age.

[Chandler]

Right, right.

[Lauren]

Anyway, it's just. I thought this story was fascinating.

[Chandler]

No, it's. It's completely riveting.

[Lauren]

And especially when there's no, like, religious. You know, I. We don't know, maybe there is religious, like, undertones here, but this is just like, a seemingly secular family in New York.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, there's just. There can be a lot of crazy stuff that happens with surrogacy, because I feel like having gone through the process myself a little bit. I've honestly been a little bit surprised how it just doesn't seem like. It doesn't seem like a crazy, regulated industry.

[Lauren]

Yeah, it's not like.

[Chandler]

And there doesn't seem to be any sort of universal oversight. And I remember I listened to an episode of the Daily. I think, some podcast, and there was a couple who were basically having, like, 15 babies being born at the same time with different surrogates. And so I think there Is, you know, some human trafficking that can happen. Yeah. So it's a very complicated fraud situation.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Anyway, I think the final hearing to determine, you know, who will be the parents of these twins is happening, like, right about now, so.

[Chandler]

Oh, really? Yeah. We'll report back.

[Lauren]

We'll report back. Moving along, there's a little bit of drama continuing to unfold in the secret lives of Mormon wives world. We obviously did our whole episode with Layla this week, and we've talked about a lot of this ad nauseam, but I think it's worth mentioning, kind of the latest that's come from Jessie.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Jesse Draper, which is what she's now going by. She went on the Vile Files podcast, and she revealed that Jordan, her husband, tried to blackmail her with her messages. With her messages with Marciano when they were kind of going through this struggle after he found out.

[Chandler]

Yeah. So a few crazy things have been revealed. The first is that they were not separated when she cheated with Marciano, as she. As she terms it. And apparently Jordan really wanted the story to be that they were separated because he thought it was really emasculating that she would cheat on him. And so it would help his image if they got their story straight that they were separated. So I guess what happened is he saw her texting Marciano. They were all. They were in Vegas, and they were going to meet up with Marciano, with Jordan, and he saw her messaging with him that he. Over her shoulder. He saw that there were, like, way more of them. And so he grabs her phone. I believe they were just at some sort of, like, restaurant.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

He grabs her phone. He goes into the bathroom. He screenshots all the messages and message and sends them to himself. I guess they got into some screaming fight. But then he created tiktoks of the messages, and he had those tiktoks in drafts, and he would threaten to publish them.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like, before the show came out, I just.

[Chandler]

I just feel like I need Jesse and Jordan to realize that this is not a healthy. Like, this relationship to me, is not one that is worth trying to salvage.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I'm not seeing a lot of mutual respect here.

[Chandler]

Like, I'm not seeing mature behavior.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I also don't think if your husband has been emotionally abusing you for years, that you should be trying to, like, repair this union, you know?

[Lauren]

And. Okay, so she posted a real. Last night, kind of explaining how terrible this has been, the fallout, you know, from what we've seen on the show. And I. I feel like she is kind of laying the groundwork for them to separate. I know their house just went on the market. You know, she says he's emotionally abusive, that he's been that way in the past. We watch scenes where he had some really bad behavior. She did cheat on him, which is not okay.

[Chandler]

But.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I just. I. I don't think these are two people who should try, like you said, to, like, stick it out just because.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

You know, it doesn't seem like a relationship that's working for either of them.

[Chandler]

I think there's just something so depressing about seeing the stars of this show, who really are all such dynamic, like, wonderful people, kind of sticking it out in really subpar marriages with subpar men.

[Lauren]

And honestly, I would say not even just subpar, but a guy who is willing to destroy your public image.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

On, like, the fact that he was so ready to wield, you know, this power and turn the Internet against her and just blow her. Blow. Blow up her image.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like, I think that's so gross.

[Chandler]

Yeah. It just reveals. It reveals, I think, that the relationship has gotten to such a level of contempt. And I saw that. I saw that when they. There was that scene. They were at some, like, fast casual restaurant in Utah. And it was Jesse, and I think it was. It was definitely Taylor because Taylor basically did not want to indulge in the conversation. Do you remember this when they're talking about Jordan and this is when they're, like, separated, and Jesse is kind of, like, laughing at something stupid he said or did. Yeah. And I just kind of realized in that moment, I was like, oh, in her brain, he is kind of an ex that she hates. Yes. Like, he is not someone she's trying to actively get back together with. And I just think that their. Their relationship is just so far past the brink.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Yeah, I. I completely agree. And, you know, I think that, yeah, like, the groundwork is being laid for them to separate.

[Chandler]

Okay. Another couple.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Who has been divorced, but they have more going on. So I really want to get into this, just briefly. Megan King. She has lost custody of her kids to Jim Edmonds after a CPS call. This is just really sad, but I'm reading the article, and it's very. It's a very strange story. So basically what it says is that she went over to Courtney and Jim's house. Megan did. To talk to Aspen, their daughter, or to drop off a dress. And she said she called Jim beforehand to say that she was coming over. She gets there, and Courtney says, you can leave the dress. And she says, I want to talk to Aspen. And she says she's at a baseball game with Jim. So Courtney walks away and she assumes Megan leaves, but then she hears Megan. Like, basically she walks upstairs and she hears Megan yelling in the house, trying to find Aspen to talk to her. So she comes back, and I guess Megan then walks out the door, but she puts a foot in the door. And then it's so weird because the article just ends. And it says Courtney said she told Megan to get out of the home after preventing Courtney from closing the door by putting her foot in the doorway. Megan moved her foot and Courtney close the door. It's a very, like, nothing of a story.

[Lauren]

I was searching for, like, okay, what has gone wrong? What happened?

[Chandler]

Yeah, and I. I looked at several articles because I was like, there must be a missing detail. But it's all the same. I don't really know what's going on here, except that I just saw. I'm team Megan Edmonds. Like, I'm team Megan King. Excuse me. Yeah, I just think Jen Edmonds is a creep and gross. And it just wouldn't surprise me at all if he was, you know, he was trying to get full custody of the kids so he doesn't have to pay Megan. Um, and I just. I don't trust Jim and I don't trust Courtney as much as I can throw him.

[Lauren]

I also think this reeks of. Here's this crazy headline that we're going to, you know, get out there, but then actually there's nothing that's happened. But this headline is so damning, you know, that CPS has removed your dance from you. Like you, you know, because. Given full custody to your ex. So, yeah, my. My, like, heart breaks for her. And, you know, and if something. I just feel like we would just know. I think if something, I don't know, much more terrible. It happens.

[Chandler]

I also. Well, two things. One is this is temporary. So apparently they will have a hearing about this in the next couple weeks. So she's lost custody at this very moment. But I think we're gonna, you know, really figure out what happened once a final decision is made by the judge or more lasting decision. The other thing I was going to say is that I just also remember so much from the show about how Megan was really kind of at all of Hart's appointments because he really struggles. I think he has some sort of disorder. I honestly forget what it was, but he had health. Very serious health struggles. And it seemed like Megan was actually the only really present parent for their child. And Jim was kind of checked out with Courtney, who he met or who was basically. Courtney was their threesome partner.

[Lauren]

So I am just astounded at that. Astounded. How much Megan King. Edmund. Megan. Meghan King. Meghan King and Jim Edmonds. Knowledge. You have the lore. You are.

[Chandler]

You're. You're.

[Lauren]

You know. It's impressive.

[Chandler]

Thank you.

[Lauren]

Can we just quickly move on to the Bill Belichick watching Jordan, you know, in her adult cheer competition?

[Chandler]

I mean, these images, they.

[Lauren]

They're worth thousand words. A thousand words. So Jordan Hudson was in a national cheerleading championship in North Carolina. And Bill Belichick was there in the. In the stands watching her. I want to be charitable with my opinion here.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like, you know, he's supporting her. He's supporting her doing her thing.

[Chandler]

Mm.

[Lauren]

That's gotta be, you know, a little bit of an annoying way to spend your Saturday. Yeah. I'm just gonna go ahead and say it.

[Chandler]

Such a good point.

[Lauren]

I'm also a little bit, you know, surprised. I didn't know adult cheerleading competitions existed.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Isn't she, like, almost 30?

[Lauren]

24.

[Chandler]

24.

[Lauren]

So, yeah.

[Chandler]

I mean, so not quite so. So. I will admit to everyone that Chandler and I both were cheerleaders.

[Lauren]

I was not a cheerleader. You were. No, you were not a cheerleader. You delay. Okay. You were not, like, on the team in high school.

[Chandler]

No, but we. No, even more embarrassing, we were in competitive cheerleading.

[Lauren]

Oh, I never did competitive cheerleading.

[Chandler]

I think you did. You didn't. And maybe it was me.

[Lauren]

And I think I know your lived experience better than you. No, I feel like. Because, like, Nick and I just had. Did our own. Like, we were part of the second.

[Chandler]

Generation in the family. You always like to remind people how young you are. Chandler was not part of the first generation of our family where Courtney and I did participate in competitive cheerleading. I remember they would always try to put me at the back of the formation because I'm just so uncoordinated. I cannot save.

[Lauren]

I did dance, and I was terrible.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I. I remember that. No, guys. You hurt people. When did you dance?

[Lauren]

Like, in middle school. Early middle school.

[Chandler]

Anyway, I'm glad I did too, as a kid. In competitive cheerleading or. Why do I bring this up?

[Lauren]

Why land this plane? So you know what it's like to be Jordan Hudson.

[Chandler]

Oh, well, I have to assume that's the kind of cheerleading she's doing, which is, like, where you. It's basically an offshoot of gymnastics.

[Lauren]

Yeah. You learn some type of routine.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And you do, like, tumbling and you Wear a slutty outfit.

[Lauren]

Her glam was giving a little bit of, like, Lisa Barlow in her confessional. The glam was kind of crazy for this cheer competition.

[Chandler]

The glam is always crazy for competitive dance or for competitive cheerleading. Oh, my gosh. Okay. Wow. Wow.

[Lauren]

Insane.

[Chandler]

Yeah. You know what's funny is she has time for this elaborate hobby because she already has nine properties.

[Lauren]

I was literally about. That was. You stole what I was about to say for me, because I'm just like, she is living a dream life. She has passive income just rolling, just churning. Yep. At the yin yang. And then she's just, like, pursuing her hobbies to the fullest.

[Chandler]

Yeah. She's.

[Lauren]

And I guess who am I to throw a stone? I knit. That's my only hobby.

[Chandler]

It's true. And I will say, if you're gonna be a gold digger, you might as well not get a Chanel bag. Not get crap that's just gonna get devalued, but get some investment properties, ladies. So she's doing a few things, right. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I would like to know kind of what the conversation is like with the two of them. Like, are you coming to my cheer competition on Saturday? You're gonna be able to skip practice. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Anyway, can we move on to Real Housewives of Solid City, please? Because we finally saw the episode Andy says is in his top 10 of all time. And it's because of the ending scene at Mary's church that, for him, he thought was. Just Because I watched the episode and I was, like, really top 10 of all time. Did you have the same reaction?

[Lauren]

Yes. And that ending scene. I want to talk about it.

[Chandler]

Okay. Okay. Let's just talk about the ending scene.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Like, we see there's, like, a party at Whitney's house.

[Chandler]

We can get into the other stuff after. But let's just talk about the ending scene first.

[Lauren]

I just want to say the. The part that stuck out to me was when she says to Lisa, Mary is, like, conducting this service. You know, it's. It's a very. It's like a. It's an interactive service where she's, like, talking to people in the crowd. Everyone's, like, responding. It's. You know, it's. It's not necessarily. It's like. It's like a church where, you know, you. It's not a speak and yell and.

[Chandler]

Like, you know, it's not a Mormon sacrament meeting. It's more kind of like a speak in tongues, potentially. Like, you shout.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Just, like, raise your voice for you, like, or. Yeah, it's it's an. I don't know why I'm like struggling. I just like, don't want to offend anybody. But yeah. Anyway, people know what we're talking about. But she. So she's kind of going to each of the women and she's saying like blessing them a little bit. And she says to Lisa, like, you will have a sound mind. Which I thought was insane. It was like, you will be healed.

[Chandler]

Of your mental illness.

[Lauren]

Literally of your like, inability to think. No, that was. I thought that was hilarious.

[Chandler]

That was the subtle shade from the pulpit.

[Lauren]

Sound mind. Didn't know I had a problem.

[Chandler]

So there's also a moment during Mary's dance speech, shouting dance sermon, where she says that. She says that after, you know, you leave this earth, your soul will have to pay the price. Okay. And my question is, I mean.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Will her soul pay the price for not putting a nice positive message in Britney's build a bear? Like, what's going to happen when her soul.

[Lauren]

I know, and I want to say too, we, we have been primary this season, but on the yacht, she says to Britney, you're not cute. You're not cool. And Britney says, you're like the least Christ like person the least. And you know what? I'm team Britney on that. That's really rude to say.

[Chandler]

It's actually so surprising that Mary considers herself to be so close to God because she's actually one of the rudest women on the show.

[Lauren]

You look inbred. Do you really think I look inbred? I do.

[Chandler]

That's what she said to Heather Gay. Okay. She is actually the. One of the most cruel.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

So it's, it's fathomless, to quote Katie Maloney, that she is also this like high on her horse preacher woman.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I found that ending scene to be fascinating to watch. I'm not really buying it though, that, like this is just some big kumbaya moment for all those women and everything's going to be fine after this.

[Chandler]

No, definitely not.

[Lauren]

100 because. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Can I say watching though, that whole church service, I. I didn't realize how good I had it growing up in the Mormon church because you just sit. You just sit. You can maybe have a clandestine apple wired headphone going up into one of your ears.

[Lauren]

I never would do that. You probably did that.

[Chandler]

My hair was long enough that sometimes I got away with it. Although I was always like so terrified of getting caught that it. I couldn't even listen to whatever. I was trying to listen to some Damien Rice. Anyway.

[Lauren]

Long story lowers just like coming from.

[Chandler]

Your Apple headphones or probably a podcast. But anyway, long story short. Long story short, I. Yeah, I had no idea how good I had it, because I could have had to be going to a church that I did not want to be attending that was also a cardio class.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Where I would have to be jumping up and down fully engaged the whole time. Standing. Yeah, standing.

[Lauren]

Standing. You and I do not like to stand.

[Chandler]

No, we're not fans. We love sitting. We're sitting enthusiasts.

[Lauren]

Sitting enthusiasts. Yeah. We love a seat. Love a bench. Anything else from this episode you want to get?

[Chandler]

Oh, gosh, so much. I want to talk about. I want to talk about the conversation with Todd and Bronwyn because I really want to talk about her interior design aesthetic. I mean, was that not one of the craziest fun house living rooms you've ever seen?

[Lauren]

Yeah, but we've talked about this. I know it's not a surprise, but.

[Chandler]

It'S just shocking to me every time it comes across the screen.

[Lauren]

It's always shocking because her outfit then does not necessarily, like, balance things out.

[Chandler]

No, she's. She's such a maximalist. And her style, her interior style, it's the exact same as Dr. Deb. Okay. Bronwyn's mom from Orange county, just without any of the psychedelic use.

[Lauren]

I would say it. I would say it's. It's Dr. Deb. Sure. But also a little bit of, like, Floops House from Spy Kids.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Oh, no, A hundred person. That's exactly what it is. Those. Okay.

[Lauren]

It's the chairs. It's like the chairs with the weird.

[Chandler]

Yeah, the chairs almost look like it's like an. It's like a kid's playground, like.

[Lauren]

Or a jungle gym. Yes. Yeah, it is. I will say, I love her confessional look where she has the green eyeshadow.

[Chandler]

Oh, interesting.

[Lauren]

Where she's, like, kind of in all gemstones.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Diamonds. I thought. I thought that was a sick look.

[Chandler]

Very cool. Yeah. But her overall esthetic is just truly baffling to the mind.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Please, though, do you want to get into the meat of the matter? The heart of things?

[Chandler]

I mean, for me, that was the heart of the matter.

[Lauren]

I, I. Todd doesn't really take responsibility.

[Chandler]

No, he does, because he says I was wrong.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I don't know.

[Lauren]

But he doesn't. I just. What is he admitting to? I would like to know what he's admitting to.

[Chandler]

Looking at, I guess, photos of other women or whatever on the plane, but her, like, basically trying to talk about Them having an open marriage on camera, it was just one of the most cringe inducing.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And for me also just like her being like, if you're sexual, like her basically talking about his voracious sexual needs as he's just like sitting there in that pink button down, like a total curmudgeon. Belly out. I'll say it. It was just. I mean, it is.

[Lauren]

It's like talking to your grandpa about his voracious sexual appetite. And she's like, we did. I did talk about her sex life with Whitney.

[Chandler]

I just like, I. Todd strikes me as someone who doesn't have sex. Like, I get the most.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chandler]

And.

[Lauren]

And that's. And that's what I think makes, like, the whole thing feel, like, extra weird and gross. Yes. Because, like, what is his. What is the game he has, he presents with? No game, no res. Yeah.

[Chandler]

So what is Todd like in that situation? Kind of situation?

[Lauren]

You know what? That's a fantasy. I'm not interested in uncovering going further on.

[Chandler]

I wouldn't call it a fantasy.

[Lauren]

I would just call it pretty and slip. Yeah. I'm not. I'm not interested in that type of imagination.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Right. Now let's get to Britney's walk with Jared.

[Chandler]

I mean, I was.

[Lauren]

I would say out loud, Jared's a little easier on the eyes. Okay. That's what I literally said.

[Chandler]

Am I wrong to say Jared Osmond is kind of hot? That's in my nose.

[Lauren]

I would not go that far. I would say he's easier on the eyes than Todd.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Like, if we're gonna hear a conversation between two people about their love life, I'm gonna. I'm going to pick Brittany and Jared.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, Jared knew that the cameras were going to be there. He got a tan. He put it. Picked out a crisp black T shirt.

[Chandler]

He pumped a little iron before.

[Lauren]

That man loves the camera.

[Chandler]

And you know what? I love him on my screen. They as a couple are so funny when she stomps away in her wedge heels.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

In that denim dress by the creek. And then screams at him, this is why I always break up with you.

[Lauren]

And then the camera keeps following him. And he looks directly at a camera and he says, maybe I'd stay with you if you were stable for more than three days or something. Five minutes. Like he was ready for his moment.

[Chandler]

Well, then he says, do you want me to be. Or she says, do you want to be my exclusive boyfriend or do you not want to be my exclusive boyfriend? And he just says, you're very confusing He's. He is a total gaslighter and is messing with her.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, I. I don't think that she's just running away from his undying love all the time. You know.

[Chandler]

He is a classic boy. And they are two middle aged people who are middle schoolers.

[Lauren]

What does he say? He said she was flirting her butt off.

[Chandler]

Okay. That is. I did not pick up on that.

[Lauren]

I said, I just, you know, I heard you on the boat. I heard that when you were on the boat, you were just flirting your butt off.

[Chandler]

Oh, they are stunted. They are incredible television. Can we talk about the John conversation with Lisa? Yeah, I just.

[Lauren]

I mean, I also think John's kind of cute.

[Chandler]

John is totally cute. I think he hates her. He hates her at this point. The level of like, I feel, like resentment he feels toward her when he says, you're such a great listener. And then he goes on his phone, like, mimicking when she's listening, and he says, if I'm not on the same. If it's. If we're not on the same page, it's because I'm not on your page.

[Lauren]

I mean, it made me really sad when she said, I feel like you don't hug me anymore. I don't. I think they're headed. I know.

[Chandler]

Splitsville.

[Lauren]

I know. I. Yeah, that conversation made me really sad because I, you know, unlike a Bronwyn and Todd or a Brittany and Jared, you know, not. Not exactly greatest love stories of our time. Yeah. I wouldn't say necessarily Lisa and John are. But I feel like there was real love there and real partnership there.

[Chandler]

I don't love Lisa Barlow, but I loved that she had John Barlow. Yes.

[Lauren]

And I loved. I loved when they were a team.

[Chandler]

And I loved his loyalty towards her. And I love that he loved her in spite of her kind of insanity. Yeah. And I guess it probably, though, honestly, it makes more sense that he has a lot of issues with her.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

She's someone who I think anyone would have a very hard time dealing with.

[Lauren]

Yes. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Well, anyway. What a day. What a time to be here, you guys. Love you so much. Thank you for being global elites. You are the wind beneath our wings and we will catch you next week. Next week.

[Lauren]

Bye.

[Chandler]

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