319: Kendall Jenner "Has Never Had Plastic Surgery," Beckham Family Drama Hits New Low + Golden Globes & RHOBH

Summary

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Pop Apologists – Episode 319: Kendall Jenner "Has Never Had Plastic Surgery," Beckham Family Drama Hits New Low + Golden Globes & RHOBH

January 14, 2026 | PodcastOne

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Episode Overview

In this jam-packed episode, sisters Lauren and Chandler serve up the latest sizzling pop culture news: a viral Christmas card airing marital dirty laundry, Kendall Jenner’s dubious plastic surgery denials, fresh drama in the Beckham-Posh family, Golden Globes highlights (including Nikki Glaser’s opening monologue and celebrity table gossip), plus the latest from The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

The hosts switch between witty, unfiltered commentary and personal anecdotes as they break down the week’s wildest stories. Expect candid opinions, big laughs, and some premium sisterly side-eye.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Viral Charleston Christmas Card Drama

[02:01–10:05]

• A listener submits a viral Christmas card from Charleston, SC, exposing a family's messy divorce.
• The card details: Ben, an attorney, spent marital assets on sex workers throughout his marriage, even during IVF pregnancies and family tragedies, while denying financial support to his ex-wife, Lisa. His mother-in-law sent out the card, seemingly skirting a non-disclosure agreement (NDA).
• Chandler and Lauren celebrate the boldness and Southern tea-spilling, emphasizing the significance of reputation in the South.

Notable Quotes:

• Lauren [04:36]: “Finally, an interesting Christmas card.”
• Chandler [07:00]: “She [Lisa's mom] is charging forward, exposing this man… he deserves every bit of it.”
• Lauren [08:03]: “Southern people, they love to spill the tea. And they do… your reputation matters more there than anywhere else in the country.”
• Chandler [08:23]: “This is a master class in justice... this is the best Christmas card of the season for me.”

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2. Kendall Jenner’s Plastic Surgery Denial

[10:18–20:42]

• Kendall Jenner, on a podcast, claims she’s never had facial plastic surgery—only minor “baby Botox” and PRP treatments—attributing her changing face to Accutane (even suggesting Accutane can shrink noses).
• Both hosts, previously divided, unite in skepticism and mockery. They lambast the use of “baby” modifiers for injectables and call out the lack of acknowledgment of obvious work.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler [14:03]: “She says, ‘I’m not here to convince anyone.’ You’re exactly right, babe. You’re not convincing anybody. Nice try.”
• Lauren [15:22]: “No one's lips get bigger...and so I think it's like, she's obviously had lip fillers.”
• Chandler [16:57]: "Don't act like we're this stupid. There's no way taking Accutane reshaped her nose."
• Lauren [18:28]: “I want you to just straight up know I was born better than you and that is how I perceive myself. I want you to feel inferior.”

Analysis:

• The sisters argue that the Kardashians’ public denial of cosmetic work is harmful, misleading, and condescending, especially when couched in faux concern for young fans.

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3. Scooter Braun and Sydney Sweeney DM Drama

[23:39–27:10]

• News breaks that Scooter Braun feels “disrespected” by professional athletes sliding into girlfriend Sydney Sweeney’s DMs and is insecure about her independence.
• The hosts find Braun’s insecurity laughable and predict doom for the mismatched couple, speculating Sydney enjoys having the “upper hand” in relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler [24:25]: “It must be really surprising when you date the it girl... and especially an it girl where her brand is having large breasts.”
• Lauren [25:01]: “This relationship is headed, you know, to splitsville quickly.”

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4. Beckham Family Feud Hits Legal Lows

[27:10–34:07]

• Brooklyn Beckham sends a legal letter to his parents (David and Victoria), demanding contact only via lawyers, after Victoria ‘liked’ his Instagram roast chicken video.
• The sisters dissect the feud—potentially centered around Brooklyn’s wife Nicola—and its roots in wedding drama and boundary issues. They note David and Victoria’s possible media strategy to gain public sympathy.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler [29:19]: “He could use all the likes he can get. So he really shouldn't be blocking people who are liking this video.”
• Lauren [32:04]: “I kind of understand where they would be coming from to say no. Like now you're blocked because you can't respect boundaries.”
• Chandler [33:19]: “I wouldn't be surprised if the Beckhams are like, feeding The Sun with new reports…”

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5. Golden Globes: Nikki Glaser's Monologue & Celebrity Table Tea

[36:37–48:45]

• Both hosts praise Nikki Glaser’s hilarious, sharp opening. Specific bits about Leonardo DiCaprio’s dating habits and shallow public persona hit home.
• They discuss DiCaprio's infamous “Pussy Posse”/“Wolf Pack” (with Tobey Maguire and David Blaine), the rumor mill about his dating and personal quirks, and observed celebrity table behavior.
• Nikki Glaser's other standout jokes: Michael B. Jordan, Sean Penn, and clever digs at Hollywood’s lack of authenticity.

Notable Quotes:

• Chandler [37:17]: “‘You've won three Golden Globes, an Oscar. And the most impressive thing is that you were able to accomplish all of that before your girlfriend turned 30.’”
• Lauren [43:23]: “She also opened it with saying, ‘We have so many a listers here. And by a listers, I mean people on a list that has been heavily redacted.’”

Kylie Jenner and Timothée Chalamet

• The hosts note the buzz around Kylie Jenner and Timothée ("Timmy"), delighting in the constant camera attention and their chemistry.
• Lauren praises Kylie for her maternal, grounded vibe, arguing she’s the most likable Kardashian these days.
• Rumors about a “Kylie Jenner Chalamet” name card are debunked.

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6. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap

[51:14–69:57]

Sutton & Jennifer Tilly’s Tense Tea [51:24–54:14]

• Sutton’s sobriety and emotional volatility come to the fore when she lashes out at Jennifer Tilly for “mocking” her. The sisters find Sutton’s openness about insecurity brave, but her unpredictability problematic.

Quote:

• Chandler [53:17]: “You think you're having a fun, chill moment with your friend, and suddenly she's being fucking stern with you.”

Kyle and Dorit Friendship Rift [56:45–58:32]

• Kyle attempts to remain neutral as Dorit complains about ex-husband PK’s behavior, creating distance in their previously tight friendship. Both hosts side with Dorit and criticize Kyle’s fence-sitting.

Rachel Zoe Joins RHOBH Cast [58:45–63:10]

• Both hosts are surprisingly charmed by Rachel Zoe’s warmth, confidence, and lack of snobbishness.
• Rachel’s positive descriptions of others’ style choices and her close relationship with her children endear her to the sisters, who compare her favorably against more judgmental fashion figures.

Quotes:

• Lauren [60:25]: “She doesn't feel like she needs to talk shit on other people to feel good about herself… I'm so charmed by her.”
• Chandler [61:12]: “It’s so rare to get a housewife who is extremely fashionable, who doesn’t use it as a sword.”

Amanda: “Delulu” New Housewife [63:32–67:45]

• Newcomer Amanda’s bravado—“I feel like I belong in any room I want to be in”—is roundly mocked but also embraced for its Ramona Singer-esque entertainment value.
• They lampoon Amanda's over-the-top bragging about home renovations, luxury spending, and the need to prove herself.

Quote:

• Lauren [64:59]: “Amanda, she is clearly very much unaware of how she's perceived, which is very fun to watch.”

Sedona Trip & Housewives Logistics [68:05–70:33]

• The hosts roast the underwhelming hotel accommodations and the production’s overblown “private jet” sequences, noting the short distances and mismatched rooms.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Lauren [19:24] on Kendall: “We obviously need to get off this… we could literally just rant about this till the end of our lives.”
• Chandler [46:24], on Kylie & Timmy: “I feel like when I see him kissing her, what I hear in my head is, like, that Nat Geo voice… the Alpha female and the alpha male together.”
• Lauren [62:47], on Rachel Zoe: “I love looking at her. I think she's really fun to look at. I love her.”

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Quick Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Time | |-----------------------------------------------|--------------| | Viral Charleston Christmas Card | 02:01–10:05 | | Kendall Jenner Denial & Cosmetic Talk | 10:18–20:42 | | Scooter Braun & Sydney Sweeney Drama | 23:39–27:10 | | Beckham Family Legal Letter Feud | 27:10–34:07 | | Golden Globes/Nikki Glaser & Celeb Gossip | 36:37–48:45 | | Kylie Jenner & Timothée Chalamet | 45:53–48:45 | | RHOBH Recap: Sutton/Jennifer | Kyle/Dorit | 51:14–58:32 | | Rachel Zoe’s Debut & Amanda’s “Delulu” Vibes | 58:45–67:45 | | Sedona Trip, Hotel Critique | 68:05–70:33 |

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Tone and Language

• The episode has an uproarious, knowing, and sometimes savage tone—equal parts affectionate and biting.
• The sisters blend sharp analysis, pop culture fluency, and personal confession (“I’d rant about this until one foot is in the grave…”) in a way that keeps even the more petty or wild topics feeling relatable and urgent.
• Throughout, humor and exasperation shape the commentary, especially around celebrity denial and housewife foibles.

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Final Takeaway

Episode 319 is a heady cocktail of petty celebrity drama, genuine insight, and Roaring-Sisters comedy. Whether breaking down the minutiae of a Southern divorce via holiday card or reveling in the high jinks of Housewives trips gone awry, Chandler and Lauren consistently amplify what’s deliciously ridiculous and emotionally real about contemporary pop culture. If you're seeking both sharp opinions and strong entertainment value, this installment delivers.

Transcript

[A]

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[C]

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[B]

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[C]

I'm Chandler.

[B]

Lauren, introduce yourself.

[C]

I am Lauren, your sister. I'm so glad to be back on this gorgeous program. A lot to get into. There's been so much pop culture news, truly, that has broke over the weekend. And we must report to our listeners. How have you been? What's going on with you?

[B]

We must report to our listeners. That's our. That's our duty. Our God given duty.

[C]

Is that what it is?

[B]

I've been. I've been. Well, I'm home. I've just been, you know, nesting a little bit. I started a new knitting project and I'm gonna end my boring personal updates there because it's really the extent. The extent of it. What about you? How have you been?

[C]

Okay, well, I thought I saw you tell Paola that you had something funny to tell me on the podcast. Is that inaccurate? Did I get my hopes up? Did I dream that it might have.

[B]

To do with something a listener sent us? It might not be something, you know, necessarily about me because I do have something crazy to show you that a listener submitted. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[C]

Okay, I think I do. Is it the Christmas card?

[B]

The Christmas card drama?

[C]

Oh, my gosh, you guys, this is some real tea. So a Christmas card got sent out in Charleston, South Carolina, that has gone a little viral on Reddit. I saw this in the DMs as well, and I was absolutely flipping floored.

[B]

Floored. And this is when I think to myself, I'm just so glad that the pop apostles are spread out, you know, across land and sea, because they are bringing us just like the best stories from, from everywhere, from far and wide. Like, we're not going to miss a single thing. And yes, we're going to share it with everybody because it's fine. It's not like we're using first and last names. And you know, honestly, the purpose of this card was to spread the good word about know some, some actions of a certain man.

[C]

Absolutely. There was someone who felt like they were silent and they did not want to be silenced anymore. For that reason, we will share this Christmas card. And I just want to echo your sentiments, Chandler, that I am so grateful. We have pop apostles with boots on the ground in all corners of the earth.

[B]

All corners. So I'm just going to describe the front of this card and then we'll get into what it says on the back. The front shows a darling mom and her two darling darling children standing. Just a cute family. But there is no father figure in the card. And so I'll now go ahead and read the back. Okay, you ready? So it begins what a year after discovering in 2023 that Ben had been paying for sex since the beginning of their six year marriage, throughout two IVF pregnancies.

[C]

Wait, stop.

[B]

Yeah, sorry, stop. I just think we need to set.

[C]

The stage for everyone really quick. This card was sent out, it seems from this person's mother. So the mother, like the grandmother sent this out and this is a photo of her daughter who looks like she's in her mid-30s, maybe late-30s with two children. Very, very cute mom and kids. And then what's most hilarious about this is it's just a very kind of standard normie minted Christmas card. So it's just printed on the back by minted with like the, the background is black and white stripes. So it's like one of their traditional Christmas prints. And what would otherwise be like, you know, Johnny started new a new soccer team this year and I don't know, Lydia is learning the flute. We actually have a different kind of update. So Chandler, please repeat.

[B]

Yeah, I'm gonna start it over because I think it's, it's perfection. Yeah, this is everything I've ever wanted.

[C]

So once again, finally an interesting Christmas card.

[B]

Finally. So it begins. What a year after discovering in 2023 that Ben had been paying for sex since the beginning of their six year marriage. Throughout two IVF pregnancies, the premature birth of their son, throughout Covid, the birth of their daughter throughout Lisa's mother's stage four cancer diagnosis, spending close to a hundred thousand dollars of their marital assets for sex in just three years and nearly 15,000 in a single Miami Weekend. Go dogs. All while refusing to have sex with Lisa and blaming her even on their honeymoon. Lisa is finally divorced. So that's the end of the first sentence.

[C]

Wow. Wow.

[B]

So it goes on. Wanting to avoid court for fear of exposing his double life within the Charleston community, Ben allowed Lisa and the kids to relocate to Virginia and played the victim among his friends and family while washing his hands of any financial responsibility with the exception of about $2,000 a month in child support and health insurance for the children through his work, all while living south of the street for $5,000 a month and maintaining a golf membership at the Country Club of Charleston. Every sentence, by the way, ends with an exclamation point. It's incredible. Through Ben's professional litigation experience, a lifelong sense of entitlement, his ability to correctly calculate that Lisa would not risk his offer to relocate by going to trial, and a family court system that protects men like Ben and expects next to nothing from dads. Ben was also able to stop paying for their school, dodge alimony, and take 60% of their house in the settlement. The same house Ben insisted on buying, which they had no business buying in the first place, which would have been sold in a distress sale had Lisa's parents not financed the majority of the renovation to the tune of $600,000. Ben also insisted that Lisa sign a non disclosure agreement preventing her from sharing any details of the marriage or divorce with his parents, his work, his friends or his acquaintances, or disparaging Ben in any way. Lisa's attorney, their guardian ad lydium and their mediator all acknowledged that if a mom behaved like Ben in a marriage, would likely never see her kids again. End scene.

[C]

And then we have minted the logo. The minted logo. A community of independent designers. Art by bomburry minted.com I mean a truly stunning Christmas message. Wow. Justice for Lisa has been served. We thank Lisa's mother, who clearly after her stage 4 cancer diagnosis, gives no fucks. And we love to see it gives.

[B]

Literally no fucks in the best way. She is charging forward, exposing this man. So basically her mom sent out the card, you know, to try to like sidestep the NDA, obviously. And apparently he's a well known attorney in Charleston. His, his photo has even been removed from his law firm's website. But he's already been like doxed and everything. I guess not docs because I don't know if we know his exact address, but people know who, who this guy is. And you know what? He deserves every bit of it.

[C]

Oh, he Absolutely does. I just love that this guy thought he could live such a duplicitous life, like, truly do something so egregious. Be cheating on his wife, who was going through fertility issues with sex workers, spending a ton of their financial assets to do so, and then also having her parents finance their lifestyle and then financially screw her in the divorce and think that he can just get away with that completely unscathed. Like, his reputation just still sterling. Good luck, Ben.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Have fun at the country club. Good luck showing your face again. And you know what else I love? Chandler Southern people, they love to spill the tea. And they do. They love this kind of stuff. And I feel like in the south, your reputation potentially matters more there than anywhere else in the country. And it feels like justice to know that his reputation is going to be destroyed in this way.

[B]

Absolutely. I think it's just the fact that he tried to financially screw her over. I mean, it's so dark that, like, you know, the bar is on the floor with divorce because it's like, so many men. Cheat. Whatever. Whatever. But the fact that, like, he then decides not only am I not going to, you know, like, give you everything you deserve after having my children and sticking by me, I'm going to now screw you over and make sure that you are, you know, financially barely solvent or whatever, that you can barely have enough money to raise our kids. And I'm not going to pay for their school. Right. Yeah. I mean, it's. This is a master class injustice. Like, like you said. And I'm thrilled reading this. This is the best Christmas card. I didn't receive it, but this is the best Christmas card of the season for me.

[C]

Could not agree more. So justice for Lisa. We are rooting for you. And if anyone has any tea or updates on what's going on here and wants to. If any other boots are on the ground in the Charleston area, please, our DMS are open and you can reach us best at via our personal DMs. Okay. Correct.

[B]

Wait, two quick things before we move on from this. It reminds me of Garcelle, because if everyone will remember, Garcelle from Real Housewives of Beverly Hills sent out an email after she found out her husband had been cheating on her. I read that she sent it, actually, from his email to all of his friends and colleagues and everybody.

[C]

So wild.

[B]

Which is incredible. And then the other Bravo note here is that I guess you didn't watch Southern Charm.

[C]

I did a little bit of it.

[B]

Okay. So, you know, like, Naomi Craig's ex Girlfriend.

[C]

Mm.

[B]

I guess this guy Ben, the lawyer, represented her.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. Charleston is just such a small town.

[C]

Yeah. Such a small town. Wow. Brutal. Absolutely crazy. So crazy.

[B]

So, yeah. Beginning. Beginning the episode with a little bit of sweet, sweet justice.

[C]

What.

[B]

What should we talk about next? Can we get into somewhere where I believe justice has yet to, you know, be served, to be given?

[C]

Yeah. You know what? I'm actually so excited to get into this next topic because I feel like you've really led. I don't know, you've been pouring the Kendall Jenner haterade and drinking it, you know, by the gallon for a while. And I've been trying to have a Kendall Jenner neutral mind space. But you know what, Chandler? Those days are over. I am throwing down the gauntlet, and I'm picking a side.

[B]

Thank God. Okay, Because I. I have stood out here all by myself on anti Kendall Jenner island for so long, and I. I'm gonna begin by saying yes, there are things about her that I'm jealous of. Okay? I'm jealous of her, like houses and all of her interior design, and she's obviously incredibly gorgeous and, you know, looks incredible in a string bikini. But you know what? There are plenty of celebrities out there who I'm also jealous of, who, do not rub me this the wrong way. That Kendall Jenner does. And I just feel like this latest admission from her, this latest bit of news from her. I'm so glad it's sending you over the edge, because it just. It confirmed to me that she is kind of all the things that I hate.

[C]

Well, it's just like, I've tried to be remotely self aware about my instinctual reaction to her, which is negative. And I've always just been like, you're just jealous, so get over yourself. But then I realized that, no, it's actually. There's. There's more to this story. Sure, there's some jealousy there, but there is also maybe someone who just straight up is not likable. And I think let's. Let's actually get to what happened. So Kendall sat down for a podcast interview in an episode of in your dreams with Owen Teal, and she talked about how she said that she has never had any plastic. Plastic surgery on her face. So this is the quote. She said, there's a whole world on the Internet that thinks I've had full facial reconstruction and whatever. I'm not here to convince anyone, but I'm just here to tell you the truth, which is that I've never had any plastic surgery on My face, nothing. She did admit to two cosmetic treatments of baby Botox in her forehead and prp, platelet rich plasma, a procedure that uses a patient's own blood to rejuvenate skin. She stressed, though, that her enhancements end there. Of the Botox, she said, I didn't love it and I. I don't love it. Adding that she's considered going back but prefers the natural look. My eyebrows are so straight and low to my eyes that I actually really enjoy the movement that I have. What really fired Kendall up, however, was the cottage industry of medical professionals speculating about celebrity procedures on social media. So she says, I think it's actually really damaging what these doctors do online. I'll see videos of me and professional licensed doctors on Instagram or Tick Tock, and they're doing a breakdown of all the surgeries that I've had and all of the work I've had done. The model added that she's watched similar videos made about fre friends that have never had any of those things. It can affect young people in such an interesting way because then they see that and they're like, oh, my God, that's what I have to do to look like. Look like that. Kendall continued, and then they go rush and do something silly, maybe at a young age. And I think it's really scary. So finally, she talked about the nose job speculation. And she said, I will say, the nose job allegations I've gotten, I would believe them if it wasn't me. Like, I look at old photos of me and I'm like, wait, it does look like I've had a nose job. However, she has a different explanation for how her nose has seemed to have gotten thinner over the years. She said, I did Accutane for my acne, and there's a theory on Tik Tok that Accutane shrinks your nose. And you guys, I swear to God, it's true. I swear. Has no one seen this theory? Go on Tik Tok and look it up. Okay, where to begin with this one?

[B]

Where to begin? Well, first of all, she says, I'm not here to convince anyone. You're exactly right, babe. You're not convincing anybody. Nice try. Let's get to the nose job eventually. But let's start with her saying that she's never done anything, Any plastic surgery to her face, which I guess kind of includes denial of the nose job. Well, here's what I think.

[C]

I think that if she had said, I've never had major work done at all, like, my face Basically is the face I've always had. I could be like, okay. In her head, what she's thinking is, I've never had, like, a facelift. Like Bella Hadid, allegedly. I've never had some of the crazy plastic surgery that some people do get in Hollywood. Like, she hasn't had the full Lindsay Lohan rejuvenation. I can maybe kind of rationalize that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But I think where she tells on herself and basically says, I'm straight up lying to you, and she says, I've only had baby Botox. I'm sorry. No one's lips get bigger. They just don't. Like, lips don't get bigger as you get older. They reduce in volume from 18 to 28. They reduce a little bit in volume. They don't get larger. And so I think it's like, she's obviously had lip fillers. So that is just like. There's no denying that. So she's just telling on herself that she's lying.

[B]

It's like she considers Botox to be part of plastic surgery. Yes, she is. Like, I've never had any plastic surgery. I guess I've had, like, baby Botox. Also, I saw this comment that's, like, so funny. It's like, girl, it's just Botox. It's not baby Botox. Oh.

[C]

It's like, why do they have to say baby Botox?

[B]

I've only had the smallest needle possible for a beautiful face like mine.

[C]

I've only had a little sprinkle. Oh. It's like they won't even cop to getting 30 units. Shut up.

[B]

I'm getting father time level Botox. Okay. Like, I am getting the biggest syringe. It's just so annoying.

[C]

I'm not getting baby Botox. I'm getting, like, extra large obese level Botox. Like, Botox. Botox for a whale. Okay. Is what I order from Allison.

[B]

Yes. And I think the fact that she says, well, you know, I. I don't know if I'll do it again. I've done it a couple of times yet. She looks perfect. It's not like she's just totally let the Botox completely dissolve. I guess I should say, like, you know, that's whatever. And like, it's like, I did this and I look perfect. I don't know if I'll do it again.

[C]

Not only is that all show cop to you, but then it's like. But I didn't love it, to be honest. I actually love my face exactly the way God made it. Actually. I was like, what are you talking about? It is so obvious. You've at least had a nose job and had your lips done and most likely have also had your eyes done. So and that's like, those are things we can for sure see with our God given eyes. So it's just, ugh.

[B]

I'll just say I went on Accutane, yes, it does shrink your oil glands. For example, I have like notoriously, you know, oily hair. Like after two days, like I need to like use dry shampoo or wash my hair. And when I was on Accutane, I did not have to wash my hair like for seven days. It was amazing. Literally, if I could take a pill to do that to my hair now, I would. Accutane does have like other effects besides just, you know, helping to clear your acne, to completely reshape your nose and to make it grow in the right places and like sharpen in the right places and then shrink in the wrong places or in the right places as well. Like, girl, please don't act like we're this stupid. There's no way that taking Accutane reshaped her nose.

[C]

Not only that, but I could see her being like, the photos that you're seeing are from a bad angle. And I, from when I was young and obviously I only post like my good angles. So I could see people thinking that I've had some work done. I could almost see that. But it's actually like actually we've seen you in high res video in both scenarios so we, we see the full 360 view and it's just very clear what has occurred here. It's like, just don't talk about it, you know, like just straight up. Yes, just shut up about it. If you don't want people to speculate and talk about it. You're just adding fuel to this fire.

[B]

It's the Bradley Cooper doubling down that just bugs me so much. And it really shows how little they think of everyone who is, you know, like observing them as a celebrity. And it's also, it's straight from the Kardashian playbook. This is what they all do.

[C]

Yeah. I think that the part about it that's the most annoying is that I think that it, what it communicates is I want you to think that I am better than you. Like, I want you to just straight up know I was born better than you and that is how I perceive myself. I want you to feel inferior. Right. Because there's just no other communication. If you're saying that like you were born naturally, like, perfect. That's the point of saying that, right?

[B]

And then it's wrapped up in this, like, altruistic. You know, I just don't want young people to think I need to do all these things to my face. Like, I just don't want all these young people to know that they, too, can look like me if they have surgery.

[C]

Mm. The worst. The worst.

[B]

It really bothers me. I mean, I think, like, the lips alone are open and shut case to me. She didn't admit to any lip filler. If she had admitted to the lip filler, I think I would be like, okay, she's giving us something, but she is literally giving us nothing.

[C]

We obviously need to get off this because we could literally just rant about this till the end of our lives.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Until our foot, one foot is in the grave. We could just rant about this. This two minute segment Kendall just gave on a podcast. But I think, honestly, it's actually so great that she didn't cop to anything because it just makes it more obvious that she's lying. Like, I'm so glad she didn't say, oh, yeah, I've had, you know, I had a bump, shave down on my nose, and I've had a little lip filler, and that's all the plastic surgery I've had. Because then I would think, oh, wow, you know, like, she really has barely had anything done because I do consider both of those things to be so minor and so fine. So it's like, almost nice that she is so clearly bullshitting us because it makes me think she's had a ton more done.

[B]

The only thing I will say is that your face does change a lot to your early 20s to your late 20s. I mean, I think you could look at a photo of me when I was 15 and a photo now and I could convince somebody else that I've had, like, you know, work done that I didn't. But I just also think if you look at Kylie, like, Kylie has, like a completely different face, basically. She looks amazing. She looks incredible. But I just. I kind of don't believe that Kendall's the only person in that family who's just, like, not doing anything.

[C]

Oh. Of.

[B]

Of with her career and. Yeah. Anyway, we can move on, you guys.

[C]

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[B]

I just have to say. Can we, can we just have a moment of silence? Because Scooter, he feels disrespected.

[C]

He's struggling.

[B]

Everyone just like, let that sink in for a minute.

[C]

It must be really surprising when you date the top hot, like the it girl, okay? And especially an it girl where her brand is having large breasts. It must just be a huge shock when there are men in her DMs.

[B]

Okay?

[C]

That has got to be just really surprising and feel super disrespectful.

[B]

It's just like, who would do this? You know, it's like, I can't believe we live in a world like this. I mean, I didn't know we live in this world.

[C]

Imagine then your large breasted it girl, a list girlfriend, also wants to travel by herself, okay? By herself. A woman alone on chaperoned. And she also wants to go out with girlfriends. I mean, the disrespect I would feel, it's sick.

[B]

It's sick. It's just like, yeah, everything's backwards. And Scooter, just like, values togetherness. Ever heard of it?

[C]

Okay, you know what this makes me think? It makes me think this relationship is headed, you know, to splitsville quickly. Because if I was Sydney Sweeney, the last thing I would want is anyone curtailing my freedom. Like, that girl has earned the ultimate amount of freedom. So the idea that some guy would be trying to like, rain on my parade, I'm shocked she is with someone like this.

[B]

It's giving, like, controlling guy who needs to read your phone. Like, let me read your DMs.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Let me read your messages. I'm so insecure. I'm so afraid that you're talking to somebody else. I don't know if he leaked this story or, you know, maybe it's just from somebody else, like somebody close to them. But I think it just reveals that. I think if he's insecure enough to talk about the fact that, like, he's so disrespected by the athletes, like messaging her, I just, I think it's a bad look to say publicly how much this bothers you. Sorry I said It.

[C]

Absolutely. And it. It's clear that he feels she is very much out of his league and could peace out at any moment. And both of those things are true. So it's hard for me to imagine that this relationship goes the distance unless she straight up likes Chandler being with guys she feels are inferior to her. And maybe that's.

[B]

Yeah, for her.

[C]

Like, that's her type. Like, she kind of likes to go for a guy who she feels like she is, like, several levels above, because maybe that gives her a sense of security. I mean, Jonathan Divino was, I don't think, ever, like, in her echelon. If I can be so old. So maybe this is, like, her pattern. I don't know. But I can just say, also, if I was Sydney Sweeney, I would not be with Scooter Braun. I would be with someone who was.

[B]

Commensurate to me, he's absolutely not cute enough, in my opinion. And he's also like, yeah, he's successful, but he doesn't. I don't know. He has no swagger to me personally. But, you know, like, they've only been together for a few months, so I guess this is just another great American love story that's going up in flames.

[C]

I. I like that I said I would be with someone who was commensurate with me, and you said, he's obviously not cute enough. That's basically what I was trying. Sorry.

[B]

So, yes, thank you.

[C]

Thank you, Chandler, for telling it like it is. Okay, let's get into Brooklyn Beckham, because there is news here, and I actually really want. I mean, I always want your take, but I very much want your take on this because I feel like you. You always have, like, a very good instinct for family dynamics.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

So I'm excited to get your take. Okay. So Brooklyn Beckham sent his parents, David and Victoria, a legal notice warning that they can now contact him only via lawyers. So the letter also instructs them to tag him on social media. A breach of the legal letter was the reason why Brooklyn blocked his parents online. After his mom, Victoria, liked a roast chicken video. He shared Victoria Beckham's positive response to his poultry recipe on Instagram, then led to a fallout last month with the youngest son, Cruz, 20, posting, they woke up blocked. So did I, talking about his parents. The blocking apparently followed weeks of frustration from Brooklyn and his wife, Nicola, who believed their requests for private reconciliation were ignored. Nicola has also now block the Beckhams. Brooklyn's grandparents and wider family have not been blocked and regularly comment on his posts. A Source said. Truly, people do not know the full facts of this heartbreaking tale and think Brooklyn was just being truculent when he blocked his parents. The reality is that he issued them with a letter at the end of last summer asking for any correspondence to go via lawyers only, and wanted to try and make amends privately, not publicly. He felt his parents ignored his wishes and kept mentioning him online instead of reaching out privately. For their part, David and Victoria simply tried to let their beloved eldest son know the door is always open and that they still care. After this letter, they had no other physical means of reaching out to him. So what were they to do? They, of course, feel utterly bemused and devastated by this latest turn of events. There's no malice from their part, only concern. But it is clear if there is going to be any reconciliation, it will be away from prying eyes and must be done privately. That's all anyone wants. But, alas, seems a long, long way off, given they are only now communicating via lawyers. So I guess. Last month, Brooklyn took to Instagram to demonstrate his chicken and beer recipe, prompting a like from Victoria. Within 48 hours, he had blocked all of his immediate family.

[B]

The first thing I'm gonna say is that he's still a budding aspiring chef and he could use all the likes he can get. So he really shouldn't be blocking people who are liking this. This video.

[C]

That's actually a great point. It's like David and Victoria interacting with his content, especially amidst this feud. All it does is drive traffic to his Instagram. Does he not want more followers?

[B]

Right. Like, buddy, it's like engagement bait.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, obviously, this feud has been going on for so long. We've. We've seen the, you know, the Instagram stories from the other kids. We've. We've reported on this before. I do think it's pretty crazy that he literally says, like, you are not allowed to interact with me at all, and you're not allowed to, like, like anything. Tag me in anything. You can only reach out to me through my lawyers. And, you know, I just feel like. And perhaps I've said this before, the only thing that makes sense to me is maybe one of the siblings, maybe David, or maybe Victoria, said something terrible about Nicola and they will not apologize for it. That's the only reason why you would be this intense. Actually, you won't even be this intense. And I literally have no other alternate theory. Well, I just think that, like, it's not her fault, but I think that, like, she is at, like, at the center of this in some way.

[C]

So I feel like when it comes to this whole feud, I really do go back to her basically having to redo her wedding and her like having a huge fallout with her wedding planners where it seemed like she was totally the brat. But then also the moment where like Victoria kind of where who was it? Anthony was like JLo's ex husband.

[B]

Right. Oh, Mark Anthony, most beautiful woman in the room. Yes, exactly.

[C]

Went up and introduced the most beautiful woman in the room, Victoria Beckham. And that, you know, did not make Nicola's night on her wedding night. I. Yeah, I feel like there is the chance and probably the truth that Nicola and Brooklyn are spoiled brats. That doesn't also mean that Victoria Brackham didn't potentially plan to her wedding being a disaster. So I think that there is the potential, I guess, that Brook Lynn and Nicola feel slighted by his parents. And then they also feel that they are kind of poking and prodding them on social media and they don't want that. Like they don't want to be interacted with at all in a public way because for them that feels violating. It feels like it's inviting public attention and it's not communicating via private channels to have a reconciliation. And so I could, I kind of understand where they would be coming from to say no. Like now you're blocked because you can't respect boundaries.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, people online also say, you know, Brooklyn Beckham, he was the oldest kid, he saw a lot when he was growing up. He saw how much his dad like stepped out on his mom. And so, you know, I just, I don't think though that's, that's not going to drive you, in my opinion, to then cut off your mom.

[C]

Yeah, for sure. And. But it's also very hard for me to believe that Brooklyn Beckham was in on David Beckham's philandering.

[B]

Right.

[C]

Which must have been relatively short lived.

[B]

I don't know. I mean, actually, I don't know about that. But people were like, he's seen Victoria cry. I just, I'm like, I don't know that that would cause you to then literally cut off all communication with your mom.

[C]

With your mom.

[B]

You know, did you see the story that's in here about like Nicola maybe pushing her nanny down the stairs?

[C]

I did see that. I did see that.

[B]

That it is alleged, but I'm just gonna leave it there. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, there was a news article that she was devastated by that rumor. I guess the nanny was her nanny, like all Growing up, I guess I. Again, when it comes to Nicola, it's like you go back to the behavior with the wedding planners and the way that that family reacted. It's completely possible that these are just all terrible people behind the scenes. Like that. That is possible. Yeah.

[B]

And I, I think too, I think Brooklyn really hates, like the press circle that's happening, like cycle that's happening with all these stories. I think he wants it to be completely out of the press. And I wouldn't be surprised if the Beckhams are like, feeding the sun, like, with new reports to like gain sympathy about the situation and to pressure him.

[C]

Well, I mean, think about it this way. The quote given is, for their part, David and Victoria have simply tried to let their beloved eldest son know the door is always open, that they still care. If Brooklyn was feeding these news stories, it would be framing them in a negative way. And that frames them really positively. So clearly. Yeah, so the source is clearly from team David and Victoria. So I, I completely agree. And he probably feels like every time they tag him on something on social media, it adds fuel to the fire to these stories.

[B]

Yes. He just wants to post his, you know, roast chicken recipe. Can a guy live in peace? Yeah, literally.

[C]

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[B]

Lauren, did you catch some of the Golden Globes footage?

[C]

I watched some of the red carpet footage and I also listened to and watched Nikki Glaser's opening monologue. So funny, so good.

[B]

She's incredible. I. I could listen to her host at every awards ceremony, like, from now until the end of time. She's just. She does such a great job. Also, I didn't realize this, but I guess she tests out the monologue or. Yeah, like some of the jokes at like a little comedy show beforehand.

[C]

Oh, interesting.

[B]

That was interesting.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Just to like, kind of make sure things land. But she had. She had some shining moments where I loved when she called out Leonardo DiCaprio.

[C]

Mm.

[B]

So she said, Leonardo DiCaprio is here for one man bun after another. What a career you've had. Countless iconic performances. You've worked with every great director. You've won three Golden Globes, an Oscar. And the most impressive thing is that you were able to accomplish all of that before your girlfriend turned 30. Like, everyone laughs. Leo laughs. And then she says, leo, I'm sorry I made that joke.

[C]

It's cheating. Cheap.

[B]

I tried not to, but, you know, we don't know anything else about you, man. There's nothing else. Open up. She says she looked it up. And the most in depth interview you've ever given was in Teen beat magazine in 1991. And she looks at him and she goes, is your Favorite food still pasta. Pasta and more pasta. I just thought it was like, it was, it was a great turn on the Leo jokes. And I think it also reveals something that is very true, which is that we don't know a lot about Leo. Like he really. Besides the fact that he dates, you know, women. Sub 30.

[C]

Yeah, Leo is a little bit of a vault. I mean, I, I know that he collects dinosaur bones. So apparently he has like a large scale replica of a dinosaur in one of his homes, which is kind of crazy.

[B]

Oh, isn't that his nickname on Dumas? Like Dino bones?

[C]

Yes, exactly. Headphones. Dino Bones. He likes to wear headphones when he has, when he has relations with, with young women and basically not even interact with them. That's like the Dumois rumor is that he, you know, it's like they go into a room, they sign some crazy NDA and then he does his thing without even basically interacting with them much. A charming character.

[B]

You know, if that's true, if any part of that is true, I really don't want to know more about him. I don't know, are we going to discover that he's like a serial killer or something? Like, that's just, just. That's alarming. That's an alarming fact. That's not a charming fact. Like, I'll just, I'll stick to the pasta facts.

[C]

I just think that, like, for me, I think that there might not be much more to know about him, you know, like really. I guess I just feel like if, if you're a person who just constantly wants to party and you know, date people who are so much younger than you, like that is your primary activity outside of your work. You might just be a shallow person who there might not be a ton to even know about.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. That's very true. I would like to know who his, like, who his gang is in, in Hollywood. Like who are his buddies? Who, who does he vacation with? Of anybody. Because I think that would be interesting.

[C]

Vacations with Jennifer Myers ex husband, who, I'm forgetting his name, but he has like a rat pack, it's called. He just has like a, A crew of like douchebag men who basically, yes, all like hook up with really young girls and they like, are this like, oh, gross, trashy crew of guys. What is, what is his name? Let me look up Jennifer Meyer. Sex husband.

[B]

Jennifer Meyer, like the jewelry designer.

[C]

Toby Maguire. Yeah, Toby Maguire.

[B]

Oh, the actor.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

From Spider Man. I thought you were gonna like name some like a nobody. You know what Tobey Maguire. If this is true about you, you deserve to just be called Jennifer Meyer's ex husband. You don't deserve to be Tobey Maguire.

[C]

I hate to say it, but I'm just like, honestly more interested in jewelry than I am any of Toby Maguire's like, body of work, so that's fair.

[B]

Oh my gosh, that's so funny. Gross. Gross. Leo.

[C]

Gross.

[B]

Toby. Yeah.

[C]

Leonardo DiCaprio and Toby Maguire were part of a close knit group of friends in the 90s in the media informally dubbed them the Pussy Posse or more recently the Wolf Pack. Yeah. So they referred to as the modern day Rat Pack by publications like Paige Sat 6 or the Frat Pack. Toby Maguire, Luke Hawes, Kevin Connolly, David Blaine, Ethan Supply and Vincent laresco. I don't know who any of those people are.

[B]

David Blaine. You know who David Blaine is, don't you?

[C]

Let me see.

[B]

You've got to know who David Blaine is. David Lane's like the Las Vegas magician.

[C]

I don't know who David Blaine is. No, I'm looking, I'm looking up his photo and I don't think, I think I've ever seen him before. Why?

[B]

I don't know why. I am like pretty tapped in to like the Las Vegas magician scene.

[C]

Yeah, I don't know either. Like, how did you know who that was?

[B]

I don't know, I just do. Like, he like holds his breath underwater. I'm pretty sure I saw like a stunt with him. Like he's like pretty good. Yeah, like he was like chained underwater and he was holding his breath. I mean, like, there's David Blaine, there's Chris Angel. Anyway, you have lived a different life than me, clearly, and that is ringing true. Yeah, gross. That checks out to me that David Blaine would be a part of this, this cohort. I would like to talk about her joke about Michael B. Jordan.

[C]

Yeah. Wow, that was graphic.

[B]

It was graphic. It was funny. She said, yeah, I guess Michael B. Jordan plays like two characters. So she says, I can't believe it. We got two Michael B. Jordans. When I saw that, I was like, Nikki B. Jerkin, because that was awesome. And then she says, like, she's like, I'm sorry, I know your mom. And his mom like, kind of like shakes her head. He is to me, in the top five hottest men in Hollywood, in my opinion. He is so cute.

[C]

No, he's so cute. I loved how in a way that we thought she was going to go in that direction with George Clooney. Like, we thought she was going to Basically, like, ask if she could have sex with George Clooney or something when she was up there. Because she did that with someone. I think it was Tom Brady at the roast. She, like, talked about how attracted to him she was. So she goes to George Clooney. She goes like, okay, there's one thing I would love to say to you, and this is probably gonna be my only chance. And then she's like, my. My Nespresso maker is having some issues, like, can you help me troubleshoot? Because I guess he does a lot of commercials for Nespresso, which was just so perfect because it really was going in such a different direction than we thought. That's so funny. Also, the Sean Penn moment where she says, sean Penn, you're such a devoted humanitarian. You know, some actors, they're all talk, but Sean Penn will actually go to the places in the world that need help the most, and he will do cocaine there. Epic.

[B]

She's perfect.

[C]

She also opened it up with saying, we have so many a listers here. And by a listers, I mean people on a list that has been heavily redacted. Best editing goes to the Justice Department. So funny. Did you notice that when she talked about the cast of White Lotus being there, that Walton Goggins was there with his wife and Amy Lou was at their table just like one seat away from Walton?

[B]

No.

[C]

Yeah, I thought that was sweet.

[B]

So I listened to him on Smartless. Okay. And there were moments there where I was kind of taken with him. Yeah.

[C]

I mean, I think he has, like, a real charm to him. I mean, I think he's super cute. And honestly, actually, Kagan has gotten the comparison a few times, so I think he's a little interested. My type of type. So I definitely would get the attraction. I'm very happy that whatever did happen, he is still with his wife and things seem to have chilled out.

[B]

He told this story about how he went on a, like, seven day horseback riding trip with his son when his son, like.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

To Mongolia, because his son. Him and his son. He and his son are really interested in, like, Genghis Khan and like, like that whole, like, part of the world and everything.

[C]

Cool.

[B]

And so they did like a seven day. Just literally them and like, two guides, like, sleeping under the stars every night. And I was quite taken with his. With some of the stories he had about, like, being a father. And. And he basically talks about how his son sort of started to have, like, a little bit of a breakdown, like, you know, a day or two in and because he's like, ah. Like, I'm. This is really hard, you know, Like, I'm miss home. I miss, like, the comforts or whatever. And he was, like, talking him through it, and then, like, he kind of felt like, okay, like, I did a good job. And then, like, the very next day, he actually fell off the horse and broke his rib and had to just, like, push through. And then. So basically he then started to have a moment himself where he was like, this is really hard. He actually didn't even know that he had broken his rib. But obviously breaking a rib is super painful. And so I was more taken with his story. He seems also, like, for a Hollywood guy, pretty soulful. Soulful, yeah. And anyway, I liked it.

[C]

That makes me want to listen. And I'm so happy that that's a story and that it, like, involves his son and an adventure they took together and a moment of weakness for himself and not just this, like, hero's journey of him, like, being, like, wild and sexy and, like, riding his motorcycle through Africa and, like, studying Buddhism or something. Like, I. That's a. That's a. That's a cool story. And I want to listen to that episode.

[B]

Yeah, definitely listen. Okay. Anything else from the Golden Globes? Actually, yes, I know there's more from the Golden Globes. We have to talk about Kylie and Timmy. Always. Yes, always. The way. I just. I just love that those cameramen are right there at the table. They've got a camera on them at all times, and I'm just eating up that footage. I can't get enough of them kissing, talking, the lip reading, everything.

[C]

I feel like when I see him kissing her, what I hear in my head is, like, that Nat Geo voice, and it's like the Alpha female and.

[B]

The alpha male together.

[C]

He is, you know, trying to. I don't know, he's. He's making his advances on the fellow Alpha female in the field. Anyway, they're so cute together. I loved seeing him, like, going for a bunch of kisses and being so clearly enraptured with her.

[B]

I know.

[C]

Also, so I think that Kylie. Someone wrote this in the comments, and I think it's so true. She is clearly such a sweet mom, such a loving mother, and kind of such like a relatively grounded person at this point. I mean, the fact that she's, like, barely on the Kardashians. Did you see last season?

[B]

No, I didn't watch it closely.

[C]

Okay, so I watched all of the Kardashians last season. She's basically not in it anymore. Like, it's Very clear. She's made her money.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[C]

And I just think that there is something like a very rooted in Kylie Jenner.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And not, like, constantly striving for more, more, more, more, more. And I don't know. I think she's potentially one of the most likable of all of them.

[B]

Oh, completely agree with that. Completely agree. News also is that it said on.

[C]

Her name card, Kylie Jenner Chalamet. And so shalom ago. Excuse me. And so you see, like, her look at her name card and kind of laugh with him. And people were like, o, I can't believe they did that. But I guess that was fake news. So they were laughing at something else.

[B]

Hmm.

[C]

Which I did. When I see that, I thought that would be absolutely wild. Like, that would be so unprofessional. If the Golden Globes.

[B]

Imagine they, like, take it. Take the liberty of hyphenating her name for her with her boyfriend.

[C]

That would just be so unprofessional to be, like, playing into the tabloid gossip of it. All. Right. Like, when it's supposed to be an event that's celebrating him as an actor. I will say I was kind of disappointed that Nikki Glazer did not say anything about Kylie because that would have been, like, really funny to watch, given that. I do think that is, like, that is kind of at the tip of people's tongues when it comes to him at award show right now. It's not about him, like, being not that muscular.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you hear her joke about him that she. That he basically, it's like the only. Only time someone has had to gain weight to play a ping pong player. Which is like, it's funny enough, but it's. I don't know. I would have loved to have heard some Kylie Jenner.

[B]

She played it safer with Timmy.

[C]

Yeah. For sure.

[B]

I just have to tell you that when I was home last week, I did see my journals in the closet and I did decide to kind of peek through them. And I did find my journal entry after I saw Call Me by youy Name.

[C]

Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. What does it say?

[B]

I do not have it here to read. I just want you to know that I started to read the first couple sentences and I was like, I can't do this.

[C]

This. Were you into Timmy in that movie?

[B]

Yes. The movie just made me feel so many things. The ending, like, speech, like from his dad to him. Like, I wrote about that. Just literally fucking kill me read rereading that all these years later.

[C]

I don't know how anyone could walk out of that movie thinking about anything but Armie Hammer. Like the idea you could walk out of that movie thinking about Timothee Shalam is so mind boggling to me. When Armie Hammer is like, like so delicious in that film.

[B]

I guess to be fair, I was not like wildly attracted to Timothy. I was definitely more attracted to Armie Hammer after watching it. But I, I didn't write about, you know, Armie Hammer's golden calves, right. In my journal. I wrote about, you know, it's better to love than to not. Because one day, you know, like, you won't be able to feel anything. Just like that. I mean, you remember that ending speech from his dad, right?

[C]

I don't actually, off the top of my head, but I don't think I need to go back. I don't think I need to revisit. And I think I'm. I'm potentially fine with the fact that you don't have your journal entry to directly read from. I think I'm pretty much.

[B]

It's funny because. Well, first of all, I'll just send you my journal entry so you don't have to re watch the scene. You can just kind of get the cliffness.

[C]

No, I'm good.

[B]

And the thoughts and the takeaways. But I did have a thought while I was like thumbing through them. I was like, wait, this could be funny if I were to like, read some of them on, like, you know, for global elites. And then I just very quickly thereafter was like, wow, that is like really desperate. Like, you would have to be really, really desperate for good content. Which maybe I am to be reading your journals. I'm like, we're not there yet. We're not there yet. Or I need to be like, reading.

[C]

That is how you will know that we have financially hit the skids when we were like 24 hours only. We're reading from our journals. We're reading from our journals from this week. Week actually. Not from childhood.

[B]

Somebody start the gofundme. Somebody. Like, we're in foreclosure. Chapter 11.

[C]

Oh, my gosh, we will. Yeah, we will 100 be on the brink if that ever happens.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Okay, Anything else, Chandler? Before we go on to Real Housewives of Beverly Hills?

[B]

No, let's get into Beverly Hills because I, I thought this was a great episode. Plenty of things that I want to talk to you about here.

[C]

Such a good episode. I mean, where do we even begin?

[B]

Well, let's begin with Jennifer at Sutton's house. Okay. And because so Jennifer goes over to Sutton's house where they have a little, you know, tea and crumpets. Sutton's not drinking. Jennifer's kind of sad because she was kind of expecting a little afternoon cocktail, but whatever. And Sutton tells Jennifer that she feels like her and Dorit are kind of making some progress and, like, she's ready to maybe become friends with. With Dorit. And Jennifer is just being a really, like, nice, supportive friend. And her cute, like, kind of high pitched, nasally voice, she's like, well, yeah, like, you know, you can. You don't just say to her, like, I want to be your friend. And the minute she says that, Sutton just totally freezes and she goes, don't mock me, Jennifer.

[C]

Wait. Okay, first of all, your Jennifer Tilly impression is really good. Second of all, she said, you can't tell Dorit. Like, okay, now we're friends. Like, you have to kind of, you know, more gently become her friend, essentially. And you're right. Sutton freaks out, and she's like, don't mock me, Jennifer. Don't mock me. Okay, this is my favorite part of this.

[B]

You think you're having a fun, chill moment with your friend, and suddenly she's being fucking stern with you. She's like, don't mock me.

[C]

Not only that, but my favorite part is we have this, like, sanctimonious beginning. Maybe not sanctimonious, but, you know, Sutton introduces us to the fact that she's rethinking her relationship with alcohol. She might enjoy a glass of wine or a glass of champagne now or then, but really, she's taken a big step back and then proceeds to act like someone who has had a few too many drinks and is a little emotionally volatile.

[B]

Like, yes. What? She doesn't even need it. She doesn't even need the. The vodka cranberries that she'll sell. No.

[C]

To get, like, so irrational, emotionally touchy and sensitive. Don't mock me. That was hilarious.

[B]

It was crazy. I. I felt really bad for Jennifer because I'm like, I think Jennifer's just, like, a nice friend who's just, like, happy to be, like, on the show, bumbling along. And then all of a sudden, she's getting, like, scolded by sudden no.

[C]

And I think that I feel bad for Sutton on some level, though, because I feel like her. Her saying, I'm not drinking anymore. And then she brings everyone to Sedona, and she wants to have the storyline where she's going back to Sutton Brown, who's, like, so nice and fun and Chill and relaxed. And it's very clear that in the next episode, Jennifer Tilly says in the promotion for the next episode, she said, is that, like, the problem with Sutton is she always makes it about Sutton, so there really isn't some, like, great growth and evolution. It seems like Sutton kind of continues to not be this, like, stable person that they can count on. Right, Right.

[B]

I think you have a couple of those interactions with Sutton where she's, you know, gets turned with you, and you're like, I think I just. It's like, I can't count on you to just be a fun time. Exactly. I don't really know what, like, what.

[C]

I'm gonna get, what version I'm gonna get. But one thing I will say, though, is I have to really commend her for being open about the. About her insecurities, saying, like, hey, I don't feel pretty enough. I don't feel cool enough. You know what? Not only is she open about that with the other women, but she's open about that on national television. And I think, like, if I'm satin and I know that I'm basically, like, giving all these vultures, like, one of the greatest weapons they can have, which is, like, knowing what I'm insecure about, and they can all, like, go after exactly those insecurities, like, I found that to be extremely brave.

[B]

I mean, to say that you're insecure about not being pretty enough, like, while on national tv is unbelievably hard to do and brave, and that you compare, you know, you compare yourself to the other woman. You don't feel cool enough. It's not like. Like, you know, I'm. I'm too ambitious. Like, I'm too rich for these women.

[C]

My financial settlement is.

[B]

It's too.

[C]

Too plush. I'm not relatable. Gosh, I do not have a Sutton accent. Chandler, you do.

[B]

Yeah, you got to work on that.

[C]

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[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Book today on the site or in the app. Before we get into everything that happens in Sedona or the start of the Sedona trip, I want to go back to when Kyle visits Dorit at her house and they kind of have a conversation about the fact that, you know, Dorit would like, like mo to say something to PK and tell him to kind of get in line or to settle down. And Kyle kind of does her. She does a slightly better job of being more of Dorit's friend, but she still kind of like, dances on the edge of like, defending PK and she says, Dorit says, like, he's just totally cutthroat and he's out for blood. And she's like, well, that doesn't even sound like him. That doesn't even sound like him. Yeah, I just once again feel Dorit's frustration and like, I guess Kyle just really wants to be as close to Switzerland as possible in this situation. She doesn't want to just be like a, you know, a girl's girl who's just like, loyal to her girlfriend, you know, forever endeavor and will just totally throw down in the mud about her ex. But it's just like, it makes me think that potentially Kyle has heard some crazy stories about Doritos I don't know that she feels strongly about because she can't really get fully on board with Dorit's story.

[C]

Yeah, I mean, I think that it's obvious that Kyle and Dorit's friendship is hanging by a thread. And Kyle has a decent friendship with pk so it's not surprising to me that she hasn't jumped on the, you know, the. The PK Hate Train. That is obvious to me. And they're not that good of friends. And so you really can't expect on some level, her to be doing anything but up trying to be neutral to everyone, because this friendship has kind of. It's in a terrible place compared to where it used to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But I. I am team Dorit overall, and I do think that it's so dumb to say, well, he's never been.

[B]

Like that with me.

[C]

It's like, yeah, no, you're not his ex wife.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So, yes. Just, you know, like, let's believe her when she's. When she describes what's going on. I do really want to talk about Rachel Zo, if we can.

[B]

Yeah, please.

[C]

Rachel Zo could not have been more surprising to me.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[C]

Talked about this.

[B]

I literally have a very similar thing written. Please say what?

[C]

Say what you're gonna say.

[B]

And then I can't wait to respond.

[C]

I just feel like I did not think I would like her. Like, I feel like because of just her, like, image, I have felt like she would just be like a. If I'm being completely honest, I've never followed her on Instagram. It's literally just of, like, seeing Rachel Zoe in my periphery.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

In the. In pop culture, I just have thought, like, wow, she's like some skinny blonde.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And so it has been so shocking to see what a lovely woman this person is. She is such a wonderful mother. Her relationship with her kids really shines. Also, I love that she is so confident in herself in a way where, like, they get on the plane and she describes her style in Sedona, and she says, you know, my style, Sedona is kind of more bohemian. And then she. She kind of goes on to describe the other women, and she says, everyone else kind of went for a bohemian vibe as well, but they did it in their own way. And then she starts to positively describe, you know, all the other women's outfits. Outfits that, like, some of them were kind of mediocre to me. There were some that were cool or whatever, but she really kind of went on to be like, aunt Erica was wearing this, and it was so awesome. And Kyle had this, like, turquoise Birkin and.

[B]

And.

[C]

And, you know, Bo showed up and.

[B]

Looked like a queen.

[C]

And I think the fact that she doesn't feel like she needs to talk shit on other people to feel good about herself, I just find her to be so likable. I'm so charmed by her.

[B]

I could not agree more. Neither of us Watched the Rachel Zo Project, right?

[C]

Correct.

[B]

So I think we just had very little experience. And what I knew of her before, what I'd seen was just kind of like, you know, this fashionista. And I think I just kind of assume that if somebody is, like, in high fashion, they're gonna be stuck up. Yeah. Is it if someone's in a top position in fashion that they're going to be a total. No matter what, they're going to be like somebody out of the Devil Wears Prada. And I think it's so rare to get a housewife who is extremely fashionable, who loves fashion, who then doesn't use it as like, a, you know, a sword for the other women. Doesn't then say, well, because I'm the person in the group with the most fashion experience, I can now kind of comment and ridicule all the other women. Like, I feel like Jenna Lyons did.

[C]

Yes. A hundred percent. I mean, that is a lot of times, like, what fashion is. Right. It's knowing.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

What is the cool thing to be wearing, what's cheugy and embarrassing. And you really are kind of like that your style is good based on what you reject. And so, yes, it's. That's such an easy path to make yourself above other people. And I just love that she doesn't participate in that at all.

[B]

Absolutely, completely. Could not agree more. You and I are so aligned on this and just gonna double tap for a second on her as a mom, because I was also so, so charmed by it. I love the way she interacts with her sons. You can tell that they're very close to her, that she's, you know, that they're quite quite, you know, tight knit. Um, and I thought it was hilarious when her son was on FaceTime and he talked about getting an E bike, and she was like, I told you if you get in another E bike accident, you're gonna have to get a new mom.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

She's just funny. And I find her level of intensity with things to be the perfect amount. And I'm just very excited to, like, know more about her and see more of her, like, journey up close.

[C]

I love her aesthetic. I will say, like, there's something about it that's just so over the top. Like her sitting on the Missoni towels in the hu, like, bold caftan with her hair extensions down to her butt. Like, there's something about it that's so unapologetically loud in, like, a Maybe a phase of life. And maybe I shouldn't Say this, but, like, maybe in a phase of life that people would expect a little bit more of, like, a demure appearance. And I also find it to be, like, really fun, you know?

[B]

Yeah. Like, I just.

[C]

I love looking at her. I think she's really fun to look at. I love her. Okay, can we just say the moment when. When Kathy turns to her in the car and says, can I be honest with you? That what you just did does not look good?

[B]

The under eye makeup, like, there's nobody on tv like Kathy Hilton, and I can't. I can't get enough of it. It was so perfect.

[C]

That is a good friend.

[B]

Kathy is like. It's like a sister thing. Can I. Can I just be honest with you and tell you that what you just did does not look good after. Rachel's always just applied more makeup to her face.

[C]

Is so funny. So perfect.

[B]

And. And Kathy is not doing it to have a camera moment. She's doing it.

[C]

No, she's meant to be like a homie.

[B]

Hey, girl.

[C]

Okay, I do want to talk about Amanda.

[B]

Amanda.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. There's just much to say.

[B]

So much to say here. So much to say. So can we start at Kathy's lunch or dinner, which was kind of an odd grouping. It was Kathy, Jennifer, Sutton, and Amanda. And in her interview, she gets asked, you know, do you ever feel kind of out of place, like a fish out of water with all these fancy ladies in Beverly Hills? And Amanda says, no, I feel like I belong in any room I want to be in. And let me just tell you, everybody, this is when my body started to tingle because I was just like, thank God we have a new housewife who is just unapologetically Delulu. Like, I don't even want to say unapologetically herself. Maybe that's true, but she is just like, I need someone who's high on their own supply. I need someone who is like Dulu Deloitte and Deceps. You know what I'm saying? Like, I just. I feel like so many times we get new housewives that are just, like, wanting to toe the line and be like. Like, maybe a Katie in Orange County.

[C]

Yeah. Or like an Aaron.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Selva. Where they're just, like, very conscious of their own image and like a way that's like they're. But they're self aware in a good way, where it's like, they would never say that. They never want to come across. So egotistical slash insecure, which is what that sounds like to me. And with a Lot of the way Amanda talks.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

But no. Amanda, she is clearly very much unaware of how she's perceived, which is very fun to watch.

[B]

Which is all we want, like, a Ramona singer or somebody who is just really, like. She's so. She's just a total, like, braggadocious lady.

[C]

Yeah. She clearly has a lot to probably proof she feels like she has a lot to prove. Clearly.

[B]

So she then later on, she talks about the fact that she bought Kyle's house. And something I wonder is, like, is she kind of making digs at Kyle when she says, I just wanted to renovate the house and give it what it needed? I don't know. That's one thing that I was thinking about is, like, is that a slight little dig at Kyle that she felt like she needed to completely redo the house?

[C]

I don't know about that. But what I do know is that her going on a rant or not a rant. Excuse me. But just, like, her kind of opining that the. The house that they're remodeling to sell, oh, it's just feeling so good. The tennis courts are done and, you know, maybe we won't sell it. Don't tell me more that you need the money by trying to say that you don't need the money from selling this house. Shut up.

[B]

Shut up. I've made some really beautiful decisions. What? Who talks like that? Who? Like, imagine if I said that about, like, my apartment that we have, like, you know, know we have been more thoughtfully designing. If I said, you know, like, at a dinner with friends. I've just. I've made some really beautiful decisions. What?

[C]

Also, it's like you're sitting at a table with a huge discrepancy of financial situations. So it's not like you're in members only Palm beach, which actually, Chandler, I is amazing and you should watch. I, too.

[B]

I downloaded some of it. It's very good. But it's.

[C]

You're not sitting at a place where it's like, everyone's home was at least $30 million. So the price of admission to this club is actually not as expensive as others. So I guess the point is, like, you don't need to, like, prove anything on some level. Like, there's Dorit, who's in a very different position than Kathy and Sutton. There's Kyle, who's somewhere in the middle. Like, just be where you are. You're also really young. You don't have to be, like, mega loaded. You don't have to be, like, yeah, like, putting on so many airs. It's really. Aw, pudding. Anyone that has all that stuff, they're going to be a lot more low key about it because guess what? People will eventually know. You don't have to tell them.

[B]

And money talks. Wealth whispers.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

To quote Dorinda, she then in Sedona says, I one time dropped $10,000 in one sitting on crystals.

[C]

On crystals.

[B]

Okay. All that says to me is, well, you're probably lying. And B, that's something really irresponsible, I think, to brag about.

[C]

Out again. It doesn't come across like she thinks it's coming across. She thinks on some level people are impressed by this, but it actually just. It makes her look insecure that she feels like she needs to say that.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So. And her having to like talk about how she has basically everything someone else has. Like, I think Kathy was talking about how like her right hand person was right by her get. Helping her get ready or something. She's like, I have one of those.

[B]

So weird.

[C]

Like, she always feels the need to interject and one up.

[B]

Yeah, it's very obvious. One last thing I want to say about Sedona and then we can wrap this up. I was a little bummed about the hotel. Those rooms looked a little bleak.

[C]

Oh, you know what's funny is I actually wasn't paying attention to the rooms as much because I was so caught up in the details of like, of her unpacking all of her bags or Kathy unpacking her pillows from home. Like, those were. That was so funny to me and her being like this. And then, you know, Amanda saying, this is my black Chanel for my hiking outfit. And then I have another black Chanel for another hiking outfit. Like, I found all of that to be so dumb, so ridiculous. But. So I wasn't even paying attention to the rooms. The rooms were kind of.

[B]

Yeah, well, whatever. The exterior of the hotel looks really cool. And it's like, you know, it looks.

[C]

Like a staffed villa to me. It doesn't look like a hotel.

[B]

Yeah, it does look like a villa from the exterior. But all the rooms just kind of look a little bit bare bones. They're not super luxurious feeling. And the furniture seems a little bit mismatched. Like there's not. There doesn't seem to be like one cohesive design style throughout. And I was just kind of sad for the women as they all got into their room and they're all like, look at how nice this is. Oh my gosh. It didn't even look like some. All of Them had bathrooms, bathtubs. So pretty bleak.

[C]

Honestly, it's got to be a harsh reality when you come off a private jet and meet, you know, mismatched furniture. Okay. And have to unpack your own pillows. Also, the, the private jet thing, it's always made such a big deal of, but it's like they, they probably flew one hour. Okay. It was such a short flight. It's like, can I get the private jet, you know, footage from when they go to Europe? Then I'm really going to be impressed. But these, like, these, these very short little flights and then the whole, like, private jet of it all when it's very clear this was not a very expensive ride.

[B]

Right.

[C]

I guess, like, in comparison to what chartering a private jet would cost if you're actually going somewhere far is just kind of funny to me. It's just kind of. It kind of gives certain people who constantly post flying in a private jet, but they're flying from, like, LA to Palm Springs or they're flying from Austin to, you know, Cabo or something.

[B]

Let me just say I might agree with Lauren, but I will accept any private jet ride. You are.

[C]

No. And I'll post a photo in it for sure. Because I've never been on one for sure. I've actually never been on one. And so it will be. There will definitely be a story at least.

[B]

Amazing. What an amazing way to end the episode with that little, you know, please.

[C]

At least be self aware. Hey, can I ask a question from you? Yeah. Can you never say sure to me again? I have to say really quick.

[B]

Oh, sorry. I'm. Yes. I didn't realize what I'd done this morning.

[C]

This morning I asked Chen. I was like, can we start 15 minutes after when we had planned?

[B]

And she goes, sure.

[C]

And I'm like, if it's annoying, we don't have to. I just feel like I need to say that as a species, we need to cancel the word sure because I love it. Sends a chill down my spine when I get a sure from someone.

[B]

You know what sounds a chill down my spine? Np.

[C]

Oh, really?

[B]

No problem. I don't know. Like, it's just like. Or you'll say, like, I'm just trying to be a little bit less syrupy and more direct. And you just need to get used to it, buddy.

[C]

Oh, interesting. NP can seem.

[B]

When you say to you, do not contact me, it's a little short.

[C]

That is a little short, Chandler. You're right. That is a little short. I can see how that would come across a little short.

[B]

That's a real text Lauren sent to me at one point. Point. Okay, we'll leave it at that.

[C]

I think I told that story recently, actually. Okay, everyone. Love you so much. Thank you for listening. We'll be back on Friday with another episode for global elites. And have a wonderful rest of your week. Love you guys.

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