321: BROOKLYN BECKHAM MENTIONS IT ALL

Summary

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Pop Apologists, Episode 321: BROOKLYN BECKHAM MENTIONS IT ALL

Date: January 21, 2026
Hosts: Lauren & Chandler

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Lauren and Chandler deliver a whirlwind of pop culture commentary, with their signature sisterly banter, sharp observations, and unapologetic candor. The main focus is Brooklyn Beckham's explosive public rift with his parents, David and Victoria Beckham, with the hosts dissecting his now-infamous Instagram statement and its cascading drama. The episode also features tangents on Taylor Swift conspiracy breaks, luxury travel faux pas, Meghan Markle’s Netflix flop, and the art of reality TV storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Catch-Up: Guana Island Tales

(01:19–13:58)

• Chandler recounts her restful, slightly "geriatric-coded" luxury vacation to Guana Island, a private, exclusive retreat.

• The sisters humorously detail their attempts to fit in with an older, wealthier crowd, including awkward conversations about 10,000sq ft. English houses and the “nightmare” of running a private foundation.

• Notable Quote:

  • Chandler on feeling out of place:
    “I’m not usually interacting with people several tax brackets higher than me. I feel very lame.” (10:16)
  • Lauren:
    “On the show, is it ever appropriate to discuss, like, the woes of running your family’s foundation? …That’s a little out of touch.” (13:17)

• Memorable Moment:

  • Airport fiasco where Chandler witnessed passengers from Tortola being accidentally let into the Miami airport without ever passing through customs—a rare travel confessional.

2. Enter the Beckham Family Drama

(15:48–56:52)

The Build-Up

• Lauren and Chandler frame their pop culture sleuthing as “historians” of celebrity scandals.
• The sisters react in real time to Brooklyn Beckham’s posted statement about his family, relishing in having their long-circulating rumors finally confirmed.

The Instagram Statement Breakdown

• Read aloud and parsed point-by-point with commentary:

  • Brooklyn’s Claim:
    “I do not want to reconcile with my family. I’m not being controlled. I’m standing up for myself for the first time in my life. For my entire life, my parents have controlled narratives in the press about our family…” (21:18)

    Hosts’ reaction:

    • “He’s basically calling their relationship bullshit, right?” - Lauren (22:01)
    • “He’s saying it’s fake.” - Chandler (22:07)
    • “David Beckham is 100% a cheater…and I don’t believe the cheating really ever stopped.” - Lauren (22:32)(

  • Wedding Dress Drama:

    • Brooklyn accuses Victoria of canceling Nicola’s dress at the last minute, forcing a couture scramble, and reveals he was pressured to sign away his name rights pre-wedding, affecting a family payday.

    Hosts’ skepticism:

    • “This is just a flat out, like, mischaracterization of the facts.” - Lauren, citing Vogue’s story about Nicola’s yearlong custom dress process with Valentino (28:53)
    • “He doesn’t say wedding dress, he just says dress. He’s misleading there, though.” - Lauren (29:55)

  • Monetary Stakes:

    • Discussing Brooklyn marrying into the ultra-wealthy Peltz family, the sisters debate if cutting off his family fortune is a smart long-term move.

    • “He can now fully publicly cut ties, but he doesn’t really have to feel it in any monetary way... He married into a much, much richer family.” - Chandler (30:37)

    • Lauren is skeptical this gives true security: “He’s not exactly playing the long game by cutting himself off from the Beckham family fortune. He probably should have signed that deal.” (33:10)

  • Allegation: Victoria Hijacked the First Dance

    • Brooklyn claims Victoria hijacked his first dance with Nicola at their wedding, dancing “inappropriately on me.”
    • “Are the two most important words in this entire, entire thing. Like…she’s grinding on him. No other way.” - Lauren (38:51–38:57)
    • Confirmed (at least in part) by a wedding guest, via a rapidly deleted Instagram comment.

  • Claims of Social Media Manipulation & PR-Driven Family Dynamics

    • “Family love is decided by how much you post on social media or how quickly you drop everything to show up and pose for a family photo op…” - Brooklyn Beckham (50:59)
    • Host reaction:
      • Lauren and Chandler agree this is typical celebrity behavior, not necessarily villainous.
      • “Cry me a river if you had to go show up at a fashion show… We have to show up at work.” - Lauren (52:12–52:22)
      • “He would have a lot in common with that woman running the family foundation.” (52:57)

  • Rebuttal to “Wife Controls Me” Narrative & Final Thoughts

    • Brooklyn says: “The narrative that my wife controls me is completely backwards. I have been controlled by my parents for most of my life…” (53:01)
    • Lauren: “Then why are you posting naked photos in the bath to millions…if what you want is peace, privacy, and happiness?” (53:35)
    • Both hosts call out the contradiction, labeling the couple “so thirsty.”

  • Assessment of Family and Celebrity:

    • The hosts land on the Beckhams being somewhat fraudulent in their relationship, with a lot of family brand management, and Brooklyn being both traumatized and entitled.
    • “Their marriage is a total sham…his dad continued to cheat, and I think that would be psychologically damaging.” - Chandler (55:05)
    • “Brooklyn Beckham is a little spoiled and doesn’t really realize some of these things are just natural in life.” - Lauren (55:16)

  • Reporting corroboration:

    • “A source has told Page Six that as much as this sounds crazy and unhinged, everything Brooklyn said in a statement is true.” - Lauren (56:08–56:32)

3. Briefs and Hot Takes

Ben Affleck & Lisa Barlow (Salt Lake City)

(58:27–64:17)

• The saga of Lisa Barlow (“Real Housewives of Salt Lake City”) name-dropping Ben Affleck and Blake Lively at an event is dissected. When pressed in an interview, Affleck claims no memory of ever meeting her.
• The hosts roast Lisa’s exaggerations and praise Affleck’s gentle evasiveness.
  • “It’s like, when Chandler and I stood in line for Gwyneth Paltrow, we didn’t say ‘we’re with Gwyneth’.” - Lauren (61:17)
  • “She gives a false impression of her life…and is fully being called out.” - Lauren (61:38)

Meghan Markle Netflix Series Cancelled

(65:39–69:44)

• Meghan Markle’s “With Love, Meghan” is not renewed for a third season, despite her camp spinning it as a choice.

• Hosts declare Meghan lacking the charisma for even a cooking/crafting show.

  • “Honestly, she just falls flat on screen. She’s just not that interesting to hear from.” - Chandler (69:35)
  • “If she can’t hack a cooking/craft show, what can she do?” - Lauren (69:10)

• Meghan’s inauthenticity is likened to “AI-human” energy, highlighting a broader cultural craving for realness.

Housewives Roundup

(71:24–80:50)

• Reactions to Summer House’s Kyle and Amanda divorce (rejoicing for Amanda’s “starter marriage” and fresh start) (71:52–74:08)
• Analysis of "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills" Sedona trip:
  • The shopping scene, Amanda’s insecure/braggy persona, and Jennifer Tilly’s comic genius.
  • “Every 10 seconds [Amanda] says something annoying. She gives a bad name to, you know, female entrepreneurs.” - Lauren (77:39)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “We are not just gossipers—we are historians of our generation’s celebrity scandals.” – Chandler (19:44–19:52)
• On the ever-present Taylor Swift conspiracies:
  • “There are a lot we don’t know… There are things we just don’t know.” – Lauren (17:38–18:07)
• Chandler on luxury awkwardness:
  • “I can’t be my normal self because my normal self would have said, ‘Oh, so do you live in a castle?’” (10:17–10:23)
• On Brooklyn’s statement about family image:
  • “Cry me a river… We have to show up at work.” – Lauren (52:14–52:22)
• On Victoria “dancing on” Brooklyn:
  • “She’s gyrating on him. That’s the only read.” – Lauren (39:24)
  • “Mark Anthony is singing, Victoria is grinding on her son—‘dance on someone’ means… physically on top of them.” – Chandler (39:00–39:15)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:19–13:58 | Guana Island stories, luxury travel, and “geriatric-coded” vacation culture
• 15:48–56:52 | Deep dive: Brooklyn Beckham’s family statement and fallout
  • 21:18–23:17 | Statement reading: Family divisions, social media, authenticity
  • 28:53–30:14 | Wedding dress controversy & name rights dispute
  • 38:09–42:27 | The hijacked first dance scandal
• 58:27–64:17 | Ben Affleck and Lisa Barlow’s name-drop saga
• 65:39–69:44 | Meghan Markle’s Netflix series canceled, analysis
• 71:24–80:50 | “Summer House” divorce and “Beverly Hills” housewives recap

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Tone & Style

• Sisterly, sly, and irreverent; openly skeptical and unsparing in their pop culture analysis.
• Casual, peppered with inside jokes and zippy asides. They oscillate between serious deconstruction and playful mockery.

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Conclusion

This episode of Pop Apologists is a must-listen for anyone obsessed with celebrity drama and reality TV. Lauren and Chandler deftly parse breaking stories and evergreen scandals, offering both surface-level gossip and deeper context. Their Brooklyn Beckham analysis balances sharp criticism, empathy, and comedic disbelief, while still skewering Meghan Markle’s tepid foray into “authenticity.” A prime example of why, in their own words, “it’s a great time to be a historian.”

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For Further Episodes

Don’t miss their upcoming coverage of the next Beckham fallout, Taylor Swift text leaks, and housewives reunions—Fridays on “Global Elites.”

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Transcript

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[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

Yes. Yeah, I know.

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

Do I look endowed with the sun?

[Lauren]

Endowed with the sun? Honestly, you do have a slight golden glow. You know what someone wrote under Our most recent YouTube episode? Video episode oh no. I think Chandler is really blooming.

[Chandler]

Oh, really?

[Lauren]

People are taking note of your new hair color and you. You did look stunning in that recording and you look beautiful today. But Chandler, why are you glowing? Share with the audience.

[Chandler]

Everyone, I got back from my beach vacation this morning at like 3am But I was able to sleep in thankfully. And yeah, we, you know, went away for the weekend. We went to Guana Island, Ben and I. We were celebrating the fact that we've been together for five years. It's not our five year wedding annivers anniversary. Don't get confused.

[Lauren]

No, no one's confused.

[Chandler]

People might think that because a love like ours, it's timeless. It's like so. It's like everlasting. So it looks like we've been together forever.

[Lauren]

I think it's more that you talking about your wedding felt like an eternity. So the idea that you guys could be married for five years actually would seem short to a lot of people.

[Chandler]

Don't start with 18 carousels or however many, however many posts you did about your wedding.

[Lauren]

You went to Con island for your five year anniversary. Are you celebrating also your wedding anniversary? And are we gonna get another, like, set of posts from both of you for that moment?

[Chandler]

I've promised my husband and our budget that we will not be taking it a, you know, wedding anniversary trip. Okay.

[Lauren]

So if the budget allows though, there could be two anniversaries per year. It's very Heather Dubrov you.

[Chandler]

It is.

[Lauren]

Do you know that she celebrates not only their wedding anniversary, but the anniversary of their first blind date. Oh.

[Chandler]

Which is, which is literally what we were celebrating. Because first from, like, from our blind date, like from our first date, it's been like on. So we. It's not even like when we became boyfriend and girlfriend. And literally our first date was January 16th.

[Lauren]

That is very Heather and Terry.

[Chandler]

Anyway, and I, and I feel like Heather gave me permission to do that because she'll always say, oh, we've been together, you know, we've been married, you know, 20, but together for 27.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Because like, that's, you know, it's a sizable difference. And you want to like, say, you know, we've been together for quite a while.

[Lauren]

Heather's contributed a lot to her culture and a lot too. She's given us permission to do so much in this life.

[Chandler]

So much so we have to thank her for. But I will say, um, I've been waiting to just tell you a little bit about my trip.

[Lauren]

Oh yeah.

[Chandler]

Um, because it was lovely. I mean, Guana island remains the top, the best.

[Lauren]

Just so everyone knows when Chandler and I have delightful conversations with each other, when we, you know are catching up. So much of it is truncated by. Okay, this I can tell you. But this I can only tell you on the pod. So I'm super excited to hear the podcast exclusives which were denied to me during our earlier conversations.

[Chandler]

Anything funny that happens to me, I'm not going to be able to tell you anymore. In our casual conversation. Our text. Texting is strictly business. Basically. We never text about anything funny because it'll. We talk about it basically only on the pod.

[Lauren]

But you know why that is? Why? Because I cannot fake a laugh. You are really good. And you're also a generous laugher.

[Chandler]

I am a generous laugher. I.

[Lauren]

If I don't think something's funny, I literally, I. It is. I just can't.

[Chandler]

You kind of like, you do one of these.

[Lauren]

Like, it is bad.

[Chandler]

It's bad.

[Lauren]

So that's why we really have to save it for the organic.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And you can't really, like. Yeah. You can't fake it at all. You can do it a second time. If I mess up the joke the first time. Yeah.

[Lauren]

It's over.

[Chandler]

Oh, God. Okay. So everyone pray for me. Anyway. Nothing. Nothing crazy happened. It's. It is really just the most sublime vacation. It's the most restful place. It is just. There's structure to it, but there's also. It's just extremely peaceful. Extremely restful. And it also happens to draw a geriatric crowd. That is. That is correct. Because of its peace and its rest. It's for people who are in the winter of their life. What is it? I always get it confused.

[Lauren]

The winter of their life. Life. That is a phrase people use for, you know, the winter, I think is the end.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

It's always confusing to me because it feels like the winter is also the beginning. It's January.

[Lauren]

Spring. No, spring is when things bloom, but winter is when things die.

[Chandler]

That does make sense. Anyway, so does. It draws. It draws an older crowd. And we actually made some great friends while we were there. Some friends were like in a group chat with.

[Lauren]

Now. Okay.

[Chandler]

Who are a little bit closer to our age. Who are more like on. You know, on our. In our same demo.

[Lauren]

But waiting for the funny part.

[Chandler]

Okay. Getting to the funny part. The first time we get there, this is when we're meeting everybody for the first time. Because everybody. Just so you know, when you go to eat there, you can either choose to sit alone or you can choose to sit with other people. And before dinner, there's like an hour long cocktail hour where you can like go get drinks. Have a little snack?

[Lauren]

Can I set the stage a little bit for people?

[Chandler]

That's what I was doing.

[Lauren]

You have been doing an okay job. I want to. I want to paint a broader picture because a lot of people will say, you always talk about Guana Island. Where should I stay when I go there? And. And it is only one place.

[Chandler]

Well, I think I said that on Instagram a couple weeks ago. Cause people are like, what hotel do you stay at? Okay, well, anyway.

[Lauren]

Anyway, it is. It is one place. Guana island is itself a hotel on a private island. The hotel owns the island. It's 35 rooms only.

[Chandler]

Or the island owns the hotel. I don't know how it works.

[Lauren]

No, no. Okay. Anyway, it is. There's only one place to stay, because that's what it is. Guana island is the hotel.

[Chandler]

Guana island is the. Is the name of the island and also the name of the hotel.

[Lauren]

The hotel is the. Is.

[Chandler]

Yes. Anyway, hotel equals island.

[Lauren]

Exactly. And it's. Oh, gosh, we really could be spokespeople for this place because we have gone a lot and we do love it. But it's 35 people, max. It's not 35 rooms. I think it's only like 12 or 15 rooms. It's very small amount of people. And yes, there's like, you know, there's a cocktail hour, then there's dinner, and you can sit with other people. And. So anyway, can I.

[Chandler]

Can I paint a picture, too, please? Because you were also doing just sort of an okay job, I think. One. One important thing. See how rude that is? One important thing to mention is that all of the meal times are structured. So it's not like you just order room service throughout the day. And you're just constantly. You can just constantly order from the bar menu or whatever. There's like, breakfast is from this time, lunches from this time. It's dinner is from this time. It's all the same place. Everyone goes to the meal times together. Whether you sit with other people or privately, it's up to you. So, anyway, is the scene set? Has the picture been painted?

[Lauren]

Let's get off.

[Chandler]

It's like when I'm painting a picture. You've always got complaints. I never complain when you're painting a picture.

[Lauren]

Let's just move forward from how Mailtox are organized on Guana Island.

[Chandler]

Like, please, you told me that people. You know what? It's really rich. Moving along, I'm just gonna share with everybody two quick things that happened. Please do as we are getting to know these People and, you know, there's something about being the thirstiest person on the island. Like I was absolutely the person using the self timer camera the most, you know, out of anybody there.

[Lauren]

Well, when we first went there, if you'll remember, this is when you decided you wanted to wear a rhinestone naked dress. Naked mesh dress to dinner.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And it's just absolutely not the place for that kind of garb.

[Chandler]

Everybody is an Eileen Fisher.

[Lauren]

Yeah. It's 100% post sexual separate.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, yeah, you and I have both brought insane outfits, gone down a cocktail hour, taken photos, and then very quickly gone back up to rooms to chains and, you know, parachute pants or whatever.

[Lauren]

Let's land this plane.

[Chandler]

Everyone, please take note of the fact that when I am talking, I am getting ridiculed to land the plane.

[Lauren]

But when Lauren talks about that, I don't interrupt you. And then I quit. This interruption isn't interesting. Yes, sorry. Please continue.

[Chandler]

Okay, whatever. I will just say that we're interacting with new people all the time. I'm not usually interacting with people who are, you know, in several tax brackets higher than me. Yeah, that doesn't always happen for me.

[Lauren]

Right. And.

[Chandler]

So the first. Well, do you got to paint the picture some more or can I get into it?

[Lauren]

Okay. No, just keep going. I'm getting. Okay, so it's noise and, you know, everyone is just like, can you shut up about Guan island and talk about Brooklyn Beckham? I'm going to attempt to do that very soon. We both will.

[Chandler]

The first thing that happens, I was talking to this older gentleman from the uk. There were a lot of Brits there this time. And he's telling, you know, we're asking where he lives. Do you live in London? No, he lives outside. Lives in central England. And then he says, we live in a really old house. We live in a house, you know, that was built in the 1700s. And I'm like, so cute. A little cottage, you know, Love it. And then we're just like meandering through the conversation and he happens to drop that. The house is 10,000 square feet. Okay, so everybody, a castle, 1700s. 10,000 square feet.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

And I can't be my normal self because my normal self would have said, like, oh, so do you live in a castle?

[Lauren]

How does he casually drop this? This, this doesn't seem very like old money, you know, chic of him. It seems a little new, I think.

[Chandler]

Well, I think.

[Lauren]

Did you ask him if he recently came into money?

[Chandler]

I did not. Okay, so that Was that was the, that was the first moment for me where I was like, I'm really out of my depth here. And I think whenever I'm interacting with people like that, I'm just, I don't know, I feel very lame.

[Lauren]

When is the jig going to be up that they shouldn't be?

[Chandler]

Yes. Well, I guess then later on in the conversation, Ben was telling him about my job. And then later on in the night he went influencer. Influencer. The Brit. To me, which we don't consider ourselves influencers.

[Lauren]

We don't.

[Chandler]

We absolutely was like, I've never met one of those before with my terrible accent. And anyway, it was, it was mortify. It was a little bit mortifying. Okay. The other thing that happened is that I was talking to this other lovely woman three days later on in our trip and I'm just really not used to talking to. I don't know, you're just talking with strangers and you're just, you end up.

[Sponsor Voice]

Doing a lot of.

[Chandler]

Just like, totally. That, that's so crazy. You know, just agreeing, nodding along. So cut to me and she's telling me about her life's work and that she actually, she wanted to be an architect. That was like her dream. Once again, these are people who I'm just like, usually not rubbing, you know, elbows with.

[Lauren]

Wait, she was telling you her life's work is. To her, she is an architect?

[Chandler]

Well, she was telling me about her life's work, but she was telling me that her dream was to be an architect.

[Lauren]

Okay, but she's not fulfilled.

[Chandler]

She ended up having to run the family foundation. Class.

[Lauren]

Was she an nrg? A non registered guest.

[Chandler]

But please just know that I was disassociating at this point because I have no idea what I'm talking about because she's, she starts to launch into how, how hard it is to run the family foundation. And I bet it's a lot of work because she's talking about how like there was all these rivalries between her siblings and just, you know, she's like, you know, it's just like a total nightmare running a private foundation. And I was just like, absolutely. No, I totally.

[Lauren]

She's like, people don't understand how when you have a lot of assets, it's actually a lot of responsibility. It's a full time job, just managing your own money. I say that to people all the time.

[Chandler]

I didn't even realize how much. I was just like trying to tread water until later that night. Ben was like, yes. To tell me more about how Running a private foundation is a total nightmare.

[Lauren]

Because you, you're like, oh, I think a girl.

[Chandler]

I think I literally said, yeah, it's a total nightmare.

[Lauren]

Wow. Okay.

[Chandler]

Anyway, so I've probably been found out, and they're glad I'm off the island.

[Lauren]

She's Googled you. She's realized you're, you realize you're a total fraud.

[Chandler]

And, you know, honestly, when I say, oh, I have a podcast, it doesn't.

[Lauren]

I don't know, it doesn't seem ultra rich.

[Chandler]

It doesn't, it doesn't scream successful at all. No. So, anyway, it was, it was the worst. A peaceful, restful, and humbling trip. I will say, being in those conversations, I realized how much I value being around real people who talk about just everything on that, you know, everything that's on the table.

[Lauren]

Well, okay, but let's be real for one moment. On the show. Is it ever appropriate to discuss, like, the, the woes of running your family's foundation?

[Chandler]

What do you mean? You think that's, like, that was her being real. I know.

[Lauren]

I just think that that's a little out of touch. Touch, you know?

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

So I, I don't think it's actually on you. I think it's.

[Chandler]

No, I, I, I agree. I don't think it's my fault. I'm just saying I, I realize how most these people like the way that they run in conversations and how it's just. Yeah, it's, it's a lot. So. But anyway, everyone, I, I empathize deeply with everyone running their family foundation. I do.

[Lauren]

Oh, it is a total nightmare. And you know what, Chandler, thank you so much for bringing those gorgeous tales.

[Chandler]

Oh, last little tail. Okay, quickly, from my flight story. This is just something that's a little crazy. So we're flying. We flew to, from, you know, Tortola, the island, to Miami, and then Miami to New York. And as we're getting off the flight from Tortola to Miami, we're leaving the gate or whatever, leaving the gangway. I don't know, ship, plane, whatever. You're supposed to go through customs, right?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

But instead, they accidentally opened all of the doors and just let everybody out into the airport stop. And they didn't realize that thankfully, we were on the very, you know, in the very last row of seats. So we're literally the, like, the last people are exiting the plane. Someone's like, I think the woman thought it was Toronto. That still would be international. And she's like, no, it's Tortola. And she's like, oh my God, 51 passengers in the airport. And the crazy thing is that all these people are now going to regular baggage claim.

[Lauren]

They thought people from Toronto were not international.

[Chandler]

I don't know. This person was not dealing with a full deck. Whoever opened the doors, okay. Was very confused. Yeah, but you know, we had to go to a special baggage claim to get our bags to then go back through customs.

[Lauren]

And so they like all these people.

[Chandler]

Out to the regular airport went to.

[Lauren]

The wrong baggage, I'm sure.

[Chandler]

I don't know, I was just thinking.

[Lauren]

Oh, they're scot free, they don't have to go through immigration.

[Chandler]

Well, and that's what I thought too. I was like, wait, what happens for people who, who are just landing Miami, it's their final destination. They never have to go through customs. Like do the police chase after them? And then when we got on our connecting flight, they stopped us and they were like, did you go through customs?

[Lauren]

Oh, wow.

[Chandler]

Thankfully we did. But anyway, I thought that was a little crazy. That is crazy.

[Lauren]

You never really hear of things like that going wrong. Like, you know, there's always procedures at customs and you know, when you're crossing borders from land to land, it's literally.

[Chandler]

A matter of a door being open or closed. And because this door was open, everyone.

[Lauren]

Was just like, all right, we'll just.

[Chandler]

Go and do this door back into the full airport back, you know, well.

[Lauren]

Crazy stuff bring us along on that journey.

[Chandler]

You're so welcome. Happy to be here, happy to be recording about. I know the stuff that actually matters.

[Lauren]

The important stuff, that Brooklyn Beckham feud with his parents. I mean, do we just dive right into that?

[Chandler]

I think so. I think that's, that's top of everyone's mind.

[Lauren]

I just gotta say, you know what gossip is, sadly. But you know, for, for better or for worse, it is our, our work. Okay. Our work is discussing gossip. And sometimes when the gossip is a little light, it can. Our work can be harder.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I just want to say I thank Brooklyn Buckham for putting food on our table today because. Wow. Are we about to eat? Are we about to feast? Okay.

[Chandler]

Thank you to Nicola.

[Lauren]

Thank you to Nicola. Nicola.

[Chandler]

No, it's Nicola. Don't do that to me. No, I thought about the fact that we've like said a lot of shit about them.

[Lauren]

Have we?

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And, yeah, I mean, and I don't know, we just, we now have it.

[Lauren]

All laid out before us and I want to.

[Chandler]

I love it when you put your hand up to silence me.

[Lauren]

I'm not Silencing you. I'm just. This is a dramatic flourish. Like the thing I'm about to say I really want you and the listeners to pay attention to.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

When we were on a recent.

[Chandler]

That doesn't feel like someone trying to silence you.

[Lauren]

Okay, everyone. When we were on a recent trip.

[Chandler]

It's much better.

[Lauren]

I have to obfuscate details. I learned something about Taylor Swift that I found out for a fact that virtually everyone has wrong.

[Chandler]

Okay, do I know this?

[Lauren]

You do. And I'm not gonna give any more details. You're gonna be like, you can't say that. We have to take it out. Okay, so Chandler's way more excited. I actually have no clue what you're talking about. Than me. So I. When this happened, and I realized that there's a. And this is not that she's gay, everyone. She's. She's not gay. She's not all the gaylords. I'm sorry, but you really need to check yourself into your local mental instit.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

Anyway, long story short, when I realized that this. This prevailing theory was so, so dramatically wrong, the earth shook beneath me. Because what I realized. And I said this to everyone. I said, you guys, there's just. There are things we don't know.

[Chandler]

Oh, yes. This was your big breakthrough. I remember. I don't remember what you're even talking about, but I just remember you being like, you looking at the sky and just like, there are things we don't know.

[Lauren]

I was questioning my entire grip on reality.

[Sponsor Voice]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I assume it would be like what all of us would feel like if we discovered we were living in a simulation. It's just like, you thought you were doing one thing and then all of a sudden all the rules of physics change and crazy. Crazy.

[Chandler]

So. So I only mock you because I. I actively believe that there is a lot we don't know. Yeah. About celebrities.

[Lauren]

Courtney said to me. She's like, yeah, no shit. There's a lot we don't know.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Okay. These are two people, Courtney and myself. Firmly rooted, like, grounded in reality. In reality.

[Lauren]

So all to say, dear friend Maren, friend of the pod. She texted in the group thread and she said, there's a lot we do know. Okay. Lauren is not. Lauren is not totally incorrect. There is a lot we actually know. Like the Victoria Beckham and dance, which we'll get to. But the idea that that dance was such a problem and it, like, ruined their wedding. Like, Chandler, we knew that.

[Chandler]

We.

[Lauren]

We knew.

[Chandler]

Guys, remember when we talked about the Marc Anthony moment? The Most beautiful woman in the room. But I thought that was, like. I mean, I was exclusive. I was reporting on that, believing it.

[Lauren]

To be true, but not knowing.

[Chandler]

So then the fact, when I saw that those words were confirmed on my screen yesterday, you know, I'm. I'm working off 3G service yesterday in the airport, the Tortola airport. Reading this, and I'm, like, looking at Ben, I'm like, do you have full bars? Can you look up Brooklyn Beckham's Instagram? And he was. He was, like, aghast. Like he was locked in reading it because there was just so much truth confirmed to us.

[Lauren]

And I think it just. It makes me feel a lot better about our life's work, which is less gossip and more uncovering history as it unfolds in real time.

[Chandler]

Truth tellers.

[Lauren]

Yeah, we're historians, but on a daily basis of the current time, we absolutely are historians.

[Chandler]

And you want to know why we're historians? Because I don't know if this happens to you, but people will say to me, what's going on with ex celebrity? Come on, podcaster. Come on, celebrity gossip person. And you know what? 99.9% of the time, I can fucking answer.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And that's why I'm a historian. Absolutely.

[Lauren]

That is why you are a historian, Chandler. And as we have discussed the history of the Beckham family, we've actually been discussing things that really were going on behind the scenes. So should we read this statement in full, or do I have more to say before we get there?

[Chandler]

No, I think let's read it in full.

[Sponsor Voice]

Let's.

[Lauren]

Let's.

[Chandler]

Let's, you know, consult the good word of Instagram story. Black box, white text.

[Lauren]

I put my shoulder to the wheel, and I posted it to our grid.

[Chandler]

I saw that. I was like, somebody should be doing something with this on our account.

[Lauren]

And that was me.

[Chandler]

It was a travel day.

[Lauren]

Okay, so this is what Brooklyn posted. He says, I have been silent for years and made every effort to keep these matters private. Unfortunately, my parents and their team have continued to go to the press, leaving me with no choice but to speak for myself and tell the truth about only some of the lies that have been printed. I do not want to reconcile with my family. Let's all remember it had just been reported that Brooklyn wanted to reconcile through attorneys, but he. And he didn't want his parents, like, you know, poking at him on social media.

[Chandler]

Yes, it was like, let's do. Let's talk about this through attorneys.

[Lauren]

But he's setting the record straight. Okay. He's saying, I do not want to reconcile with my family. I'm not being controlled. I'm standing up for myself for the first time in my life. For my entire life, my parents have controlled narratives in the press about our family. The performative social media posts, family events and inauthentic relationships have been a fixture of the life I was born into. Recently, I have seen with my own eyes the lengths that they'll go through to place countless lies in the media, mostly at the expense of innocent people to preserve their own facade. But I believe the truth always comes out. Anything here you want to get into?

[Chandler]

I mean, I think the biggest thing is I do not want to reconcile with my family.

[Lauren]

Well, not only that, but. Okay, he's basically calling their relationship bullshit, right?

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah, he's saying it's fake.

[Lauren]

Inauthentic relationships. Inauthentic relationships have been a fixture of the life I was born into. So all of the, like Victoria and David, you know, he's cleaning the grill.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

They're dancing to Dolly Parton. He's calling bs. And you know what? I actually. I believe it.

[Chandler]

Okay, you think he's literally like referencing his parents marriage.

[Lauren]

Yes. Yeah, 100%. Listen, I'm not saying that they actually don't live in the same house and they're not really married and it's totally fake. What I'm saying is that David Beckham is 100% a cheater. Yeah, he was a cheater and that is just a fact.

[Chandler]

Yep.

[Lauren]

And I don't believe the cheating really probably ever stopped. Yeah. And he probably is privy to that and thinks that it's all a load of bs.

[Chandler]

Well, and I think we've been in this sort of new era of David and Victoria Beckham, like shows and interviews and just like this renaissance with their love. And Yeah, I don't. I don't think the cheating ever stopped either. And so to see them just be lovey dovey, everything's hunky dory on screen, you know that's not true.

[Lauren]

Well, because let me just say this. The former assistant to David Beckham, Rebecca Loose, she gave a statement or didn't give a statement. She. She commented on Instagram. Okay. And this is the former assistant who said she had an affair with David Beckham.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Remember that? So she commented on Instagram. So happy Brooklyn is standing up for himself and speaking publicly. Finally. I felt so bad for his poor wife knowing too well where they can be like, wow, I don't know how they didn't get her under NDA.

[Chandler]

But Nicola or the. Oh, the Rebecca.

[Lauren]

Rebecca who just gave that statement.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay, so anyway, let's, let's keep reading you guys. I am in Cape Town, South Africa right now and I came here for a wedding and I gotta say, I was expecting my jet lag to be so bad. But what has absolutely saved me is early bird cbd. So I brought a few of the travel packs with me and I took half, half of an early bird gummy each night for the first three nights.

[Chandler]

That we were here.

[Lauren]

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Book today on the site or in the app. Okay, so let's move on to the next next slide. So if you swipe one more over, we get into the wedding. He says my parents have been trying endlessly to ruin my relationship since before my wedding. And it hasn't stopped. My mom canceled making Nicola's dress in the 11th hour, despite how excited she was to wear her design, forcing her to urgently find a new dress. Weeks before our big day, my parents repeatedly pressured and attempted to bribe me into signing away the rights to my name, which would have affected me, my wife, and our future children. They were adamant on me signing before my wedding date because then the terms of the deal would be initiated. My holdout affected the payday and they have never treated me the same since. I want to stop there for a second.

[Lauren]

Yeah, let's. Let's unpack.

[Chandler]

So what. Do you know exactly what this means?

[Lauren]

So there was some sort of deal that David Beckham was going to, I guess go into or make. And it involved releasing the rights to the name Beckham. Okay. To something. And I guess they needed Brooklyn to sign off on it and he wouldn't. And he wouldn't.

[Chandler]

So it was more about someone else having the rights to the, to the Beckham name.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I mean, it's just, it is a little bit confusing because, you know, generally like, let's say your name is. Let's say your last name is Miller.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

There's already Miller Beer. Yeah. You know, you can't just because your last name is Miller, it doesn't mean that like you can just create a product named Miller that could go off, go for anything. Like if you have the trademark or if you've been using, if you've been using the brand name like in, in commerce, you actually have a company before anyone else, you get the name.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I actually don't really understand why Brooklyn just being a Beckham, he actually has any ownership of the name Beckham.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

They're also not the only Beckham's on earth.

[Chandler]

So maybe it was also maybe like it had to do actually with them being the Beckham family.

[Lauren]

I don't know. It's weird. And.

[Chandler]

And he, he clearly just didn't want to be a part of this deal.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

And so I think when he says it affected the payday, that meant that his family was supposed to get money. David and Victoria, all the other siblings were supposed to get some type of check for getting, you know, signing away the rights. And because he wouldn't do. Caused like a major rift.

[Lauren]

Well, he said, and I think this.

[Chandler]

Just reveals a lot of, you know, the dynamics here have to do with money.

[Lauren]

Money says they have never treated me the same since. I mean, I go back and forth a lot on this statement. I'm Going to say there's one part of this where I feel like I do have a lot of empathy for Brooklyn Beckham here, but I want. I feel like. I just feel like there are some holes in his statement that make it hard to fully trust all these words. For example, him saying, my mom canceled making Nicola's dress in the 11th hour, despite how excited she was to wear her design, forcing her to urgently find a new dress. This is just a flat out, like, mischaracterization of the facts.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

The Vogue article about their wedding. Yeah, I have. I have the printouts. This is a quote from the Vogue article published. It said, pelt is custom. Wedding look is the culmination of a year's worth of conversations with Valentino creative director Paolo Piccioli's team, two trips to the Rome headquarters, and two US Fittings. The head seamless seamstresses even journeyed to Miami to make sure every detail was immaculate on the big day. It was the ultimate couture experience. So the wedding dress she wore, Valentino custom designed that couture for her and.

[Chandler]

Had been for the last year.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And I'm sorry, but there's Victoria Beckham, and then there's Valentino. Like, I highly doubt this was her second look.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

And that was the couture that she was having designed for a year.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Now I understand how stressful it is being a bride. Okay. And if any of your looks all of a sudden are thrown into question, you are urgently trying to find a new dress, but let's not paint it as the dress.

[Chandler]

Also, I mean, he doesn't say wedding dress. He just says dress. So it could have been.

[Lauren]

He's misleading there, though.

[Chandler]

Yeah, he's misleading. Yeah. No, I knew.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I know that it's the wedding dress.

[Sponsor Voice]

Right, right.

[Chandler]

Exactly.

[Lauren]

Also kind of interesting, we all thought that there was wedding dress drama because Victoria wanted her to wear a Victoria Beckham wedding dress, and she wouldn't.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

So it's actually interesting that he's saying no. That she really wanted to wear a Victoria Beckham wedding dress.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

But that Victoria actually can't get in the way of that.

[Chandler]

Yeah. The other major thing here that I want to kind of keep coming back to, I want to talk about stakes, the stakes of Brooklyn.

[Lauren]

Let's zoom out. Context.

[Chandler]

10,000 foot view. Here we go. He is safely in the harbor of the Peltz family fortune.

[Lauren]

Sort of.

[Chandler]

I just feel like we have to express the fact that, like, he can now fully publicly cut ties and say that he is done but he also, you know, doesn't really have to feel it in any sort of monetary way, because he is. He married into a much, much richer family. I'm not saying that he's gonna get that money forever or that he's, like, automatically granted it, but isn't he in a safer harbor now? He's in a.

[Lauren]

He's in a very safe harbor. Okay. In Nicola and the Peltz family arms. However, I have been thinking a lot about this because you just know that, like, the will has probably been redrawn today already from.

[Chandler]

From Davos, which is where they are right now. Yes.

[Lauren]

Dave Beckham's at Davos, $600 million family fortune. How many Hollywood marriages make it? The Peltz family fortune is 100% tied up in trust that Brooklyn Beckham can never touch.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So, yeah, as long as he's married to Nicola, you know, he. He ostensibly will be much wealthier, have connections to, you know, vastly more wealth than his parents. But he's also a young man, and a lot of these relationships don't work. And I could 100. I could 100 see this being, like, the. A forever fracture in the family with.

[Chandler]

The Beckhams and him.

[Lauren]

And I, you know, I will be so. I will be unbelievably shocked if this is an eternal marriage.

[Chandler]

I mean, you haven't seen the tattoo he got of her voicemail or whatever. I mean, I. I do believe that a lot of, you know, Hollywood marriages end.

[Lauren]

I mean, he has a tattoo of her face on one.

[Chandler]

I swear. There's also a tattoo of a love note. Not a voicemail, but, like, there's a. She has a lot of tattoos.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And he does, I believe, have.

[Lauren]

Can I tell you, though, a thing I have? I actually think men who do stuff like that are the most likely to.

[Chandler]

Cheat because, like, I gotta have a reminder.

[Lauren]

Exactly. Because they, like, know that's exactly what it is. If your man tattoos you on. In a large way, on a body part, he's actually just trying to ward off other women.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

It's, like, such a problem.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

No, that wasn't where I was going with it. I just think that, like, men who are so gripped by their passions like that. Yeah, it's. I think once you get into the long haul of monogamy, it might be tough if they have a. If that in them, you know, and another siren song. They hear. Another song of a different siren.

[Chandler]

He's also quite young, you know. Yes. Like, they got married when they were. You know, it's A young marriage.

[Lauren]

She's 31. I was shocked by that.

[Chandler]

For a Hollywood.

[Lauren]

No.

[Sponsor Voice]

Exact situation.

[Lauren]

Anyway, I just, I think that he. He's not exactly playing the long game by, you know, cutting himself off from the Beckham family fortune. He probably should have signed that deal.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, hedging.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Okay, so let's move on. So we'll pick up where we left.

[Lauren]

But do you agree, do you agree with that assessment?

[Chandler]

I agree. I just also believe that they're like that. Like they have now decided that they are in it together. It's them against the world. I do believe that they're in love. And I don't. I don't think that. I don't know, I guess that that situation does seem a little bit. A little bit far fetched to me. Even if that.

[Lauren]

The idea that they would break up someday.

[Chandler]

I mean, maybe someday. But right now they just like, seem so innocent.

[Lauren]

Oh, gosh. I mean, I just. I wish I had your.

[Chandler]

Well, I mean, I hope not. I guess I just think that he is in ages, like a much better position than all the other Beckhams. Like, he is just fully set up.

[Lauren]

I just completely disagree because he's not. Because none of it's his. It's. It's the Pelt family fortune.

[Chandler]

So, I mean, it's just. I'm sure to him it all feels.

[Lauren]

Like it's his right now, for sure.

[Chandler]

So moving on to the next thing he says. During the wedding planning, my mom went as far as to call me evil because Nicole and I chose to include my nanny, Sandra, and Nicola's nanny at our table because they both didn't have their husbands. Both of our parents had their own tables equally adjacent to ours.

[Lauren]

Okay, is this their grandmothers or is this their, like the nanny that raised them?

[Chandler]

So he spells Nicola's nanny as Nani. I'm not sure. Well, these are both two single or at least like, you know, these two women who went stag to the wedding who sat at their table.

[Lauren]

Well, I. I can appreciate those facts. Thank you. But is it. Is a nanny ever referred to as anything but a nanny? Is that also the name for a grandmother nanny?

[Chandler]

I think so. Like, yeah, I think nanny.

[Sponsor Voice]

Like nan.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Maybe that is grandpa.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Because I would.

[Lauren]

I would be like, really surprised if they just had, like, such connections to their.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

No, but remember how there's Nicola or her one nanny.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Nicola. Yeah. She had that nanny, that longtime nanny who, who she's pictured with. Also kicked her down the stairs.

[Chandler]

Yes. Pushed her yeah, we know. Kicked, you're right. Anyway, it's not to say, okay, if it was their grandmother or if it was their long time.

[Lauren]

Those actually, that's actually a meaningful distinction. But we need to.

[Chandler]

I mean, yeah, it is meaningful, but it's not like he sat with Nicola's parents and, you know, not his parents.

[Lauren]

It's truly a searing indictment, the idea that Victoria Beckham would call him evil for sitting, having his grandmother at the table.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I mean, I think it reveals a little bit about the behind the scenes negotiations. Okay, so moving on. The night before our wedding, members of my family told me that Nicola was not blood and not family. Since the moment I started standing up for myself with my family, I've received endless attacks from my parents, both privately and publicly, that were sent to the press on their orders. Even my brothers were sent to attack me on social media before they ultimately blocked me out of nowhere. This last summer, my mom hijacked my first. Hold on, hold on.

[Lauren]

So let's just unpack this. The night before a wedding, members of my family told me that. Nicola. Nicola, I'm so sorry. I, I, it's, I'm broken.

[Chandler]

Am I doing it right or wrong?

[Lauren]

You're doing it right.

[Sponsor Voice]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Every time before I go to say it, I'm unsure.

[Lauren]

Nicola was not blood and not family. I mean, that's crazy.

[Chandler]

The night before, they're in a, like a heated argument. I mean, stuff was going down.

[Lauren]

Stuff was going.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, do you know the phrase blood is thicker than water is actually a bastardization of the original phrase, which is what? Which I learned in the research for this episode.

[Chandler]

You're a historian.

[Lauren]

Yep. So the original phrase is the. Oh, it's.

[Chandler]

Completely escaped you now. What is the original expression for blood is thicker than water? The, the blood of the covenant is.

[Lauren]

Thicker than the water of the womb. So, so basically it's actually saying that like the brothers who die beside you in battle or fight beside you in battle, and like the, the people that you live your life, like in the.

[Chandler]

Trenches with or that you're in the.

[Lauren]

Trenches with, that those relationships are deeper than people you just have to be related to. Like you and me.

[Chandler]

What if it's one and the same? We're in the trenches and we're family.

[Lauren]

It actually is. It actually is for us.

[Chandler]

Anyway, thank you for that lovely little aside. Let's get back to Brooklyn. Okay.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

So now we get into the most juicy, scathing story.

[Lauren]

So. Okay. I just also have to ground everyone. We never ever, ever, ever, ever get Anything like this, we never get a celebrity. Like, just basically spilling all the tea. I mean, airing all the dirty laundry, giving details. It's. It's receipts, proof, screenshots, timeline, fucking, everything. Like that is where he's at with this statement.

[Chandler]

There's like, seven text blocks that we have to digest.

[Lauren]

So he says. My mom hijacked my first dance with my wife, which had been planned weeks in advance, to a romantic love song in front of our 500 wedding guests. Mark Anthony called me to the stage, wherein the schedule was planned to be my romantic dance with my wife. But instead, my mom was waiting to dance with me instead. She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. I've never felt more uncomfortable or humiliated in my entire life. We wanted to renew our vows so we could create new memories of our wedding day that bring us joy and happiness, not anxiety and embarrassment.

[Chandler]

She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. On me, on me.

[Lauren]

On me. Are the two most important words in this entire, entire thing. Like, she.

[Chandler]

She Grinding.

[Lauren]

She's grinding on him. There's no other. There's no other way.

[Chandler]

There's no other. Mark Anthony is singing. Victoria is grinding on her son to dance. That's on you.

[Lauren]

To dance on someone.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

You, like, you have to be physically putting.

[Chandler]

You're not. That's not dancing with the preposition. That's not on me.

[Lauren]

That's not going like, oh, shoulder to shoulder.

[Chandler]

Kind of like that. No, this is not like. This is. She's dancing on somebody.

[Lauren]

She's gyrating on him.

[Chandler]

Potentially only.

[Lauren]

Yeah, that's the only read.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean. And then he says, I've never felt more uncomfortable or humiliated in my entire.

[Lauren]

Life because, again, Mom's a little. You know, she's had a few glasses. She's had cocktails.

[Chandler]

It's strange because, like, you would assume that the mother Sundance would be one that is more heartfelt.

[Lauren]

Yeah, you'd assume. Like, There's a Tim McGraw song.

[Chandler]

Yeah. It's like butterfly kisses.

[Lauren]

I hope you dance.

[Chandler]

Like you think that's the tone.

[Lauren]

But instead, it's like.

[Chandler]

It's like, well, I got like, should we find a Mark Anthony song? Please do.

[Lauren]

I was thinking Usher, she was grinding.

[Chandler]

I was, like, called, like, what is.

[Lauren]

She's like, fully Erika Jane for that song. Wow.

[Chandler]

I mean, I guess that's technically a pitbull song with Mark that features Marc Anthony.

[Lauren]

I would also feel like my wedding dance had truly been hijacked. I mean, yes.

[Chandler]

Also just the mother son. I don't know, there's just. There's no end to the weirdness here.

[Lauren]

There's so much happening in this statement. So. So he's implying his mom was oddly sexual with him in front of 500 wedding guests.

[Chandler]

And it was humiliating.

[Lauren]

I mean, it's. First of all, if this happened, it would be traumatizing, period. Let alone if it happened in front of 500 people, double traumatizing. And this is. Okay, so someone has weighed in from the wedding that went. Did you see this?

[Chandler]

Yes, I brought the.

[Lauren]

The quote. So Stavros Agapeo, the partner of British DJ Fat Tony, who was asked to perform at the wedding reception, backed Brooklyn and a now deleted Instagram comment. He says, I was there and she did. He's telling the truth. But then he deleted that and he instead. Good on him for finally speaking out. And then he posted a mirror selfie saying, keeping my mouth shut from now on.

[Chandler]

Okay, Fat Tony, like, what was that? Was he getting threats or something? Why is there not footage of this?

[Lauren]

The fact that a lot of these weddings, like, phones are phones. No one has their phones. Yeah. I believe we will see the video because my guess is what's coming next. Okay. I pray for this. I pray for a lawsuit. We can do 20 Parth and A, you know, a Brian Friedman style website with a 10 minute dancing video that we can watch.

[Chandler]

And maybe it's different when. With. With the song. Maybe with this, like, you think about the Blake and Justin thing. When we see the actual footage of them dancing, it changes what she said happened.

[Lauren]

Speaking of that.

[Chandler]

I know. Did you see what we got today?

[Lauren]

No, what did we get today?

[Chandler]

Well, there was like a text message from Jenny Slate.

[Lauren]

Oh, really?

[Chandler]

Yeah. We'll get to it after.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, I was just gonna say, like, you know, they always say the devil works hard, but Kris Jenner works harder. Is Taylor Swift actually working hardest of all? Because did she somehow get Brooklyn Beckham to drop all this? Given that tomorrow is when the text messages are going to be released between Taylor and Blake. Yes.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I know.

[Lauren]

So much happening. Oh, I know. It's a great time to be in our line of work.

[Chandler]

It's a great time to be a historian. Okay, let's move on to the next.

[Lauren]

Now that we've discussed Victoria Beckham, that allegation is so wild. There's no overstating it.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

It bears repeating.

[Chandler]

Like, is Victoria Beckham like kind of an embarrassing, drunken creep creep to her sons or. I don't know. Or just like, I can. What other I can see I know. I see it as creepy, but I don't necessarily mean that. Doesn't necessarily mean that she's like, I don't ever done anything beyond this. But she could just not be great at reading the room. She could just think that she's a lot funnier than she is.

[Lauren]

Well, and I, you know, 100. She could have thought it was like a funny moment. And also probably been like very high.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Or drunk, whatever.

[Lauren]

Yeah. One of the.

[Chandler]

Would you say hi first? Do you have more intel?

[Lauren]

Well, because I saw a something about something there, Victoria and David, that they left at 5am the party. I just don't think anyone is partying till 5am on alcohol only.

[Chandler]

No.

[Lauren]

So I don't know if this was this wedding that they left at 5am okay. But it's a recent wedding.

[Chandler]

Lauren saying at one point they left a party at 5am I don't know that it was that wedding.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Lauren]

Anyway, the next.

[Chandler]

The next slide.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

My wife has been consistently disrespected by my family, no matter how hard we've tried to come together as one. My mom has repeatedly invited women from my past into our lives in ways that were clearly intended to make us both uncomfortable. What?

[Lauren]

So this is. This has to be the ex girlfriend.

[Chandler]

That was like dating the brother or something.

[Lauren]

Has to be. Has to be.

[Chandler]

Okay. Okay.

[Lauren]

So despite this, we still traveled to London for my dad's birthday and were rejected for a week as we waited in our hotel room trying to plan quality time with him. He refused all of our attempts unless it was at his big birthday party with a hundred guests and cameras at every corner of. When he finally agreed to see me, it was under the condition that Nicola wasn't invited. It was a slap in the face. Later, when my family traveled to la, they refused to see me at all.

[Chandler]

So his parents didn't want to spend time with him unless it was like a photo op moment.

[Lauren]

Right. And if it was going to be private, they didn't want Nicola there. So. And okay, I think at this point, let's just talk about the video that is going. That is everywhere.

[Chandler]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

That's gone viral.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So there's a video of a Netflix red carpet. Victoria Beckham is, you know, with David posing. And then Brooklyn Beckham is like next to her, kind of walks up next to her and kind of. Kind of. It's like, it's actually interesting. You can see his expression. He's like very like sweet in my opinion. And he's kind of like trying to like you. Know, kind of make it a communal shot with him and Nicola.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Nicola, by the way, looks fudgeing. Terrified.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

She looks traumatized.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

She looks at Victoria with fear in her eyes. I swear, there's just no other read. And then Victoria very clearly gives him the serious cold shoulder and does not want this, like, family photo, Fab Four photo taken. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

This is not a good look for David and Victoria and corroborates a lot of this. What are your thoughts?

[Chandler]

My thoughts are all over the place because I do believe that Nicola could have been terrible to Victoria and David. Maybe at the beginning, I don't know, there could have been something. I don't know, maybe she didn't kiss.

[Lauren]

The ring in the way that they.

[Chandler]

Thought she was going to because she's just like this super rich girl who their son's in love with and she doesn't feel the need to. Whatever. Whatever. So I. I guess I think, like, maybe there were some. Maybe there were true offenses from her to them, which is why they don't want her around, I guess. But I still think they're the greater adults in the situation. And I. I also think that. I don't know, it just. It does seem like it's more about the family brand than it is about, like, their son and the relationship.

[Lauren]

Right. I think my read is that Victoria has been queen bee in basically any room she's been in for many decades. Okay. She's not only Posh Spice, one of the hottest girls ever, but then married to David Beckham. So I think it probably was a little bit jarring for her for him to fall in love and then go on to marry a woman who is just, like, literally higher up in the social stratosphere.

[Chandler]

I mean, she's richer, but she's. She's not Victoria Beckham. She's not like, Victoria Beckham is, like, household name. Nobody knew who Nicola was.

[Lauren]

That's true. But it just disrupts the power that. The power balance that Victoria Beckham is used to really not being there. She's used to being, like, the most powerful person in the room.

[Chandler]

I think it has less to do with her own. I'm Victoria Beckham. And more to do with. Because we're the Beckhams and because I'm, you know, the matriarch of this family, what we say goes like, we're. We're a rich, famous family. Yeah, exactly. She's having control. Yes. And now that there's this girl. Woman. Who's with her son, who has access to just as much and more.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

It's like we don't. All of our control over our son, all the ways that we're able to get him to do what we want to pull the strings.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Chandler]

No longer work anymore.

[Lauren]

Exactly. That was probably something that she did not handle very well at all.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Because, I mean, when I'm reading the statement, I'm not entirely faulting the Beckhams for wanting to control, like, the media narrative about them. I think that would be pretty natural if you were famous to want to have like a. To have good pr Literally. That's why people hire publicists.

[Chandler]

That's. That is what everybody does in Hollywood. Yeah. Correct.

[Lauren]

You have a photo officer Natural.

[Chandler]

That is that. That does not make you an evil fake person.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Chandler]

But some of these stories that, you know, being called evil, the dance reveal a level of.

[Lauren]

Reveal an entirely different set of people.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Than what we see. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren]

There it reveals like it's kind of like what Megan says where she's like, it's nothing like what it looks like.

[Chandler]

Yeah. You know, chilling.

[Lauren]

Nothing.

[Chandler]

Everyone's saying this is giving. Megan and Harry.

[Lauren]

I know.

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[Chandler]

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[Chandler]

Okay, the next next slide. My family values public promotion and endorsements above all else brand Beckham comes first. Family love is just. That's in quotes. Family love quote is decided by how much you post on social media or how quickly you drop everything to show up and pose for a family photo op, even if it's at the expense of our professional obligations. We've gone out of our way for years to show up and support at every fashion show, every party and every press activity to show our quote, perfect family. But the one time my wife asked for my mom's support to save displaced dogs during the LA fires, my mom refused.

[Lauren]

This is where it's like he decided to really leave it all on the field. He's like, I actually also want everyone who loves dogs to hate my mother.

[Chandler]

Yes. Like to say the one time, the.

[Lauren]

One time we asked for her support and not just like, oh, to promote a project. It's like to help dogs in the fires. My evil mother said no. It's so bad for Victoria Beckham.

[Chandler]

I think also what I will say in their whole family's defense, I do believe that Bran Beckham is their life. They are famous people in the spotlight. I don't fault them so much for having to treat their family a little bit like a business.

[Lauren]

A hundred percent. I also feel like, you know what? Cry me a river. If you had to go show up at a fashion show, you know what a lot of us have to do? We have to show up at work.

[Chandler]

We have every morning.

[Lauren]

We have to go to college and get degrees and then pay off student loans. Create a fudgeing LinkedIn profile. So, so sorry about all the parties you had to attend and the Instagram shout out you had to give to your, you know, 600 millionaire parents.

[Chandler]

I just love the fact that he says, even if it's at the expense of our professional obligations. What guy doing what professional obligations? Your cooking show.

[Lauren]

I mean it is this professional obligation giving like you know what? It's giving. It's very stressful to manage the family foundation.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a. It's a. It's a nightmare.

[Lauren]

It's a nightmare. He would have a lot in common with that woman.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, wow. Talk about out of touch.

[Chandler]

Next slide.

[Lauren]

Yes. Final.

[Chandler]

This gets into some tea, I think the culmination, because this is where I really think that you and I, according to Brooklyn, have been totally off. Okay. The narrative that my wife controls me is completely backwards. I have been controlled by my parents for most of my life. I grew up with overwhelming anxiety for the first time in my life since stepping away from my family, that anxiety has disappeared. I wake up every morning grateful for the life I chose and have found peace and relief. My wife and I do not want a life shaped by image, press, or manipulation. All we want is peace, privacy, and happiness for us and our future family.

[Lauren]

Okay, then why are you posting, like, naked photos in the bath to millions of your Instagram followers, Nicola, if what you want is peace, privacy and happiness. And happiness. Like, I just call BS on this. These people are so thirsty.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Lauren]

Both of them are so thirsty. She wants to be a celebrity. She wants to be a starlet. So I just. I don't buy this whatsoever.

[Chandler]

Yeah. They're just not living some quiet life in the countryside. No.

[Lauren]

Just wanting privacy.

[Chandler]

They don't want a life shaped by image. But repress or manipulation.

[Lauren]

I just also think that it's like, Okay, I. I guess I go back to a little bit him saying, like, you know, my parents have actually controlled me and they've been so, you know, protective of our image as a family. And it's just like that. That literally happens at the celebrity scale. And it happens when you are a Mormon family. And, you know, your parents don't want you dressing like a slut, going to church.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

Because it looks bad on the family if you're. If you're wearing a tank top and, you know, before 2025. So I just think that, like, there's an element of. This is just natural. Deep cut.

[Chandler]

Yes. 100% natural. I think that that's not. To me, that's not a scathing indictment of his parents. No. And that doesn't make them bad people or bad parents.

[Lauren]

Absolutely. Agreed. So I kind of. Here's where I land with this. I really land that David and Victoria Beckham are a little bit fraudulent with their relationship.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And. And you know what? I do believe that Brooklyn has just watched their marriage be a total sham.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

His dad continued to cheat, and I think that would be psychologically damaging for sure to you. And you're interested, honestly, the way you can look at your parents. Yeah. And as celebrities and as people and. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I also think it's just very clear to me that Brooklyn Beckham is a little spoiled and doesn't really realize that some of these things are just natural in life.

[Chandler]

Well, I think when you're not a normal person, you know, working a normal job, like, I. I don't know, I just feel like he gets to throw stones at celebrities and, you know, the way that they want to manipulate their.

[Lauren]

Image and it's like, well, this is the. Them manipulating their image is how they have built, like, extra. An extreme amount of success.

[Chandler]

That's like the reason why you are, like your. Why your name means anything.

[Lauren]

Yeah, exactly.

[Chandler]

And why you never have to work.

[Lauren]

Exactly.

[Chandler]

Do you feel like we could deliver a dissertation on this now? I mean, that was dissertation level length.

[Lauren]

What time are we at?

[Chandler]

What day is it?

[Lauren]

I mean, there were Guana island stories, but we are an hour into this podcast. Wow, that's amazing. Additionally, Chandler, just an FYI to corroborate Brooklyn's story. So a source has told Page Six that as much of this sounds crazy and unhinged, everything Brooklyn said in a statement is true. Asked if there's any chance of them reuniting, it's too late for now. He's had enough is what the source said.

[Chandler]

I mean, I just. This source, as crazy as this all sounds, as unhinged as this all sounds, it's all true. It's too late. That was your closing argument.

[Lauren]

That's why I'm a podcaster and not an officer of the court.

[Chandler]

Okay, Your historian credit is diminishing. Diminishing by the second.

[Lauren]

That was a point against me.

[Chandler]

So there was, like, a clip of. Of David walking at Davos, which is like the summit of.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

World tech. Annoying people.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And I don't know why David Beckham is there.

[Lauren]

It's where the global elites gather who are not our global elites.

[Chandler]

You know what? We're going to have our own Davos one day.

[Lauren]

That's what we'll call our.

[Chandler]

For our.

[Lauren]

You know, if we ever do some sort of get together, some sort of camp or whatever, it'll be Davos.

[Chandler]

What do they call them? Like, summit summits?

[Lauren]

No, not. Well, yeah, that's what they call them, but they, like, influencers, hold, like, retreats.

[Chandler]

Oh, yeah, we're gonna call it Davos for our.

[Lauren]

For our global. Yeah, he Was. He was at Davos. And what did he say?

[Chandler]

He said something about, like, kids making mistakes or something.

[Lauren]

I saw that, but I just kind of feel like part of me wondered if that was an old clip.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Footage that Daily Mail was, like, trying to spin as well.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

You have to be careful in 2026. You never know.

[Chandler]

Well, Lauren, actually, though, I heard a source that was, like, as crazy as it makes.

[Lauren]

See, that's all true. Wow. Thank God. Thank God. Thank goodness you remembered that. Okay, let's move on. We will be covering this, you guys, as more unfolds, because I guarantee you this is not the end of the story.

[Chandler]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Lauren]

Everybody, they have to do damage control now of David and Victoria, let's watch what the next chess move is.

[Chandler]

I need to start following all the Beckham siblings on Instagram for.

[Lauren]

Please put your shoulder to the whale, Chandler, for the.

[Chandler]

The passive aggressive Instagram stories button. I would like to move on now, please, to Ben Affleck.

[Lauren]

Oh, yeah.

[Chandler]

Recently interviewed. And I just have to say, thank God this interviewer put her shoulder to the wheel.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Chandler]

Because I'm sure she put this question in and she was like, if we get to it, I'll ask everyone. Let's play the clip. Let's play the club. I don't know if you know, your.

[Lauren]

Name has come up in the zeitgeist.

[Chandler]

Of reality TV yet again on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

[Lauren]

Okay, it's real.

[Chandler]

Of Salt Lake City.

[Lauren]

Cast member Lisa Barlo is saying that.

[Chandler]

She was with you at an event with her husband and she wasn't able to film.

[Lauren]

Her cast members don't believe her.

[Podcast Promo Voice]

Also, I have a work thing. It's like, a big deal, really. I think what people look at is, like, I have a very full life because I keep it kind of private and, like, I'm not going to drop names, but, like, I'll be with Ben and Blake.

[Chandler]

So the question is, do you know who Lisa Barlow is?

[Lisa Barlow]

I don't want to get anybody in trouble or I don't know what this is, but I don't.

[Sponsor Voice]

An event.

[Lisa Barlow]

This is her big city.

[Chandler]

No, you wouldn't get her in trouble.

[Lisa Barlow]

Like, but proves me right or wrong.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Lisa Barlow]

An event, like, at Sundance or something.

[Lauren]

She is a big Sundance girl. She didn't specify the event, but it was in Utah.

[Lisa Barlow]

When was the last time you were in Utah that I.

[Chandler]

It would.

[Lauren]

It was probably be Utah.

[Lisa Barlow]

I haven't been in Utah, and I don't know. Eight, nine, 10 years. I don't Know I can't.

[Lauren]

Okay, so you might, you might know her.

[Lisa Barlow]

I. I don't. Doesn't look familiar to me, and I don't remember anything, and I don't want to embarrass her because a lot of people at these events, a lot of people, I don't want to be the jerk who is, like, I did meet you, and I. It's, you know, you don't remember when you meet.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Lisa Barlow]

I don't think I'm qualified to weigh in on this, whatever this raging cost controversy.

[Lauren]

Thank you.

[Chandler]

Okay, everybody, you heard here.

[Lauren]

The Lord's work. This journalist truly.

[Chandler]

Can you imagine starting that question and just seeing the lights, like, going out, seeing nothing register when you're like, well, she says she was at an event with you and, and Blake, and it's causing issues with the other cast members.

[Lauren]

She said in the car, it's with Ben and Blake that she holds a brand like this with. She said, I don't want to name drop.

[Chandler]

Here we go.

[Lauren]

With Ben and Blake.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

If you're saying you're with Ben and Blake, that means there's a personal relationship. That means they know who you are.

[Chandler]

We're at dinner. Yes.

[Lauren]

That I don't know about going to dinner, but that just means, like, there is some sort of familiarity there.

[Chandler]

Like, they know Lisa.

[Lauren]

They know Lisa. Like when Chandler and I, when we went and stood in line for Gwyneth Paltrow to sign her new cookbook. Okay.

[Chandler]

After realizing that we both had to buy a cookbook, not just one of us, in order to get. Get in line.

[Lauren]

So we were not. We did not have that in the budget.

[Chandler]

We were not financially equipped for two 50 cookbooks. No.

[Lauren]

We could barely afford the gas.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Brentwood Country Mark.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

We did not tell people, you know, we're with Gwyneth.

[Chandler]

No. People don't realize. I've got a lot of things to do today.

[Lauren]

I'm going to be with Gwyneth. When someone's working the. The suite, you know, setting out the chicken tenders for Taylor and Travis when she's at the, you know, the.

[Chandler]

Yeah, the suite.

[Lauren]

Yeah. They're not saying, oh, I'm hanging with Taylor tonight. My friend Taylor, it's just, she gives a false impression of her life.

[Chandler]

Oh, fully.

[Lauren]

And it's. She's fully being called out. This is the best part, too. She posted a tick tock in response of her at south by Southwest, and it's, you know, there's clips of, like, Blake and Ben and she's, like, in the audience as their, you know, when, you know, when, like, actress do, like, little panels, panels after film screenings. Again, that doesn't make you their friend.

[Chandler]

She acted like she was their handler for some event or something like that. Like, she, she had to be there with them doing press or at some event.

[Lauren]

Again, if you're, if your company is doing the catering for an event that celebrities are at, that doesn't make you celebrity adjacent. That makes you a. Of sense. A vendor, a staff member.

[Chandler]

It does mean that you live a very different life from other people.

[Lauren]

I, I, I'm sorry, but actually, it means that you are completely normal.

[Chandler]

I have to say, yes, I do have money. Dismiss. Dismiss. Dismissed. I mean, I found Ben Affleck to be endearing in this for sure. I've, I found the way that he was not trying to embarrass her. When he says, I don't want to embarrass her. I loved it. I thought that was really sweet. It was very sweet.

[Lauren]

But in that moment, he's obviously embarrassing.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Because when he should, if he really didn't want to embarrass her, he's really like, Lisa is so totally.

[Chandler]

I, I don't know, I feel like I saw the side of him that really is just kind of. He's, like, normal and awkward and not, I don't know, not some crazy fame guy. Yeah, it was, it was sweet. It was a sweet little depiction of, like, of him in that interview. I mean. Yeah. I also think he's been in Utah in 10 years.

[Lauren]

I know him not being able to place in any way, shape or form, like, where he would have met her and. Because he got it wrong.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

Like, south by Southwest, I believe, is in Austin.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, like, Matt Damon is trying to help him out. Like, was it at a Sundance thing or something?

[Lauren]

So funny. But I will say the fact that Lisa Barlow is fighting this and she's not, you know, putting down her sword, and in fact, she's doubling down. It's a reason why she's an excellent housewife.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Because this, this is the content we want. We want a housewife who pretends to be friends with Blake Lively.

[Chandler]

And exactly.

[Lauren]

Like, that's a lot more interesting, Chandler, than your whole storyline, being that you're, you know, a realtor selling condos a la Gina.

[Chandler]

I knew you're gonna come for Gina. I knew you're gonna come for Gina. Also, this podcast would like to say congratulations to Gina and Travis because they are engaged.

[Lauren]

Congrats, Gina.

[Chandler]

Your whole storyline. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, accusing Heather Dubrow of getting papped at Disneyland. It's like, who cares, girl?

[Chandler]

Right?

[Lauren]

We need dulu, we need full, and we need someone who's like a true character. Like Lisa Barlow is a full character, which we love.

[Chandler]

Or like a.

[Lauren]

Or it's not a side to Silva, you know?

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Okay.

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[Lauren]

In other news, speaking of people who might maybe fall flat on screen, Meghan Markle's Netflix series With Love. Meghan has, quote, no plans for season three. So a source tells people that there are currently no plans for a third season of the Duchess of Sussex's show. That the possibility of future specials or a one off project has not been ruled out. I mean, you know what? Also Netflix is not ruled out doing a special with us.

[Chandler]

They absolutely haven't ruled it out. You can't, and you can't rule it out at this point.

[Lauren]

You can't really. There's a lot.

[Chandler]

And a source has said no matter how crazy that sounds, there's a lot.

[Lauren]

Of things Netflix has Not ruled out. So that's basically literally meaningless. It's just someone trying to put a positive spin on it. So the quote is the show in partnership with Netflix was an amazing launch pad for as ever, but doing both was incredibly time consuming. So this is from Megan's camp. Right now she is really focused on building the brand. She's excited to continue creating, cooking and crafting content social. She's so excited to no longer have this Netflix deal and to be making Instagram reels.

[Chandler]

She's so excited to be taking like mid tier brand deals and creating, you know, getting those deliverables in.

[Lauren]

The quote continues. She's so excited to continue creating, cooking and crafting content on her social channels, but in a way that allows her to spend more time on the day to day business.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

It, Come on. She wants to be in Excel.

[Chandler]

Okay, hold on.

[Lauren]

Not filming for Netflix. She's been loving flexing her entrepreneurial muscles. This is absolutely a plan for. There is absolutely a plan for more specials down the road.

[Chandler]

A couple things here. I love that they're spinning this as like she got the show, but she'd actually now prefer to not have the show and to be doing more things on social, to be editing her own videos.

[Lauren]

She wants to be in the day to day. She wants to be in a, you know, in Monday.com or Asana.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

She wants to just be answering emails.

[Chandler]

The day to day when in reality it's like people who build their whole careers on social media then get a.

[Lauren]

Show and it's the culmination. Yeah.

[Chandler]

But no, this feels like closure to me. This feels like it's time to put this to bed, turn the page, close the book, whatever, change the channel. I never want to see another one of those specials on my screen again.

[Lauren]

Also kind of interesting that it was never actually renewed because if you remember.

[Chandler]

They just filmed it all.

[Lauren]

They filmed it all at once.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I think it's even generous to call season two. Season two.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Basically just never got picked up.

[Chandler]

Up. Yeah. It was just kind of like when we filmed this, we gotta, you know, put it out. Right.

[Lauren]

Pick up. Picked up. Excuse me. But just never got renewed. I want to say this. I feel like virtually any of my friends, maybe not any of my friends, but I have a lot of friends who would kill some sort of like content show.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Cooking. Doing. Doing something.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And just being charming. Okay. I have a lot of friends who. I feel like. I feel like all of us do.

[Chandler]

Right.

[Lauren]

Like there are a lot of people with charisma. Charm, talent who would crush being given a huge Netflix platform. So the fact that Megan, like, honestly failed on such a spectacular level, it's hard to articulate how crazy of a disaster this is.

[Chandler]

And honestly, you just know that there were all of the best people in those rooms trying to make the show best. Best possible thing. Iteration, concept. And.

[Lauren]

And what, Chandler, what else is there for her to do? Like, that's.

[Chandler]

That's kind of it.

[Lauren]

Like, her just doing crafts and being pretty and picking flowers and being charming on the camera.

[Chandler]

It's like, as, like, low frequency as we were.

[Lauren]

Like, if she can't hack a cooking craft show, what can she do?

[Chandler]

I know, we've. We've exhausted the subject.

[Lauren]

She can't do a podcast. No, she can't do it.

[Chandler]

We already know those.

[Lauren]

Hit the desk.

[Chandler]

Is it really just because it was so boring and filled with platitudes? Is that really the issue? It was beautiful. It was like, it was nice to have on in the background sometimes 100. But it's just.

[Lauren]

She just.

[Chandler]

She is just not.

[Lauren]

She just falls flat on screen.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And she's honestly just not that interesting to hear from.

[Lauren]

This is really the core of it, I think, especially as we are, like, entering this new age of probably infinite content.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

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[Lauren]

To want the most is real human connection. They're going to want to. They're really going to.

[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

They're going to. I'm not saying, like, oh, you know, breaking bread and looking across someone or looking across the table at someone, and that's all she. Meaningful connection. No, people want that.

[Chandler]

But realness. They want authenticity. Yes. They want.

[Lauren]

They want a real human. And honestly, Megan gives. AI.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Like, she fully almost like. Like, is she.

[Chandler]

She seems so cloying because she kind of, like, it's all like kind of an act about, this is how to be a human. This is how to be a good person.

[Lauren]

It doesn't read as authentic at all.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So it's almost like the antithesis, I think, of what people are craving. Correct.

[Chandler]

Now that's why it's a second screen show.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Wow.

[Lauren]

And. And also, there just wasn't actually genuine true talent there. Like, she didn't actually seem like an amazing cook. You know, she's not doing. She's not Nora Smith doing incredible diy and, like, this really.

[Chandler]

There was no spectacle to it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

So I think people either want that connection with a real person and they want to relate to a real person. Or they want to see true talent.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

But if you can't offer either of those things and you're not willing in any way to be, like, fallible.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And vulnerable, then you're gonna lose in. In this AI age economy. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Who needs to go to Davos? We're solving it here.

[Lauren]

I'm thinking a lot about the future.

[Chandler]

I love that, my little jet lagged lady.

[Lauren]

I'm so jet lagged right now.

[Chandler]

Okay, what else do we want to get into? Before we wrap this episode up, I would like to just briefly touch on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Lauren]

Oh, you do want to talk about Beverly Hills. Well, I just.

[Chandler]

I just want to talk about Amanda for a second.

[Lauren]

Let's talk about Beverly Hills.

[Chandler]

I mean, I don't have a ton to say.

[Lauren]

People are gonna be so mad of us if we don't talk about Kyle and Amanda.

[Chandler]

Oh, great. I don't. I have thoughts on the Kyle, Amanda. I don't feel like you have thoughts on Kyle and Amanda.

[Lauren]

Excuse me.

[Chandler]

Please share your thoughts on Kyle and Amanda. I mean, huzzah. Rejoice. Hosanna.

[Lauren]

I was actually gonna do the Hosanna shout.

[Chandler]

I know my joke. No, you were.

[Lauren]

Okay, so Kyle and Amanda of Summer House, They've been married for four years. They're officially sweating. Did you know he's 43?

[Chandler]

Yeah. These people should have never gotten married.

[Lauren]

Yeah. I mean, you literally. He cheated on her before they were engaged. Yes.

[Chandler]

Yes. The. The writing was on the wall. Yeah. I mean, I don't want to blame anybody, but they were highly incompatible to watch on screen.

[Lauren]

And honestly, I mean, not that this matters so much, but she is. She's absolutely stunning. She's only gotten better looking. She's 34.

[Chandler]

Her whole life is in her.

[Lauren]

She's also on a hit television show, super successful. Cut the defective produce. Like, we're done with him. Move on. You can literally have. He will be just like a blip.

[Chandler]

A starter marriage.

[Lauren]

This is the right thing for her. Hosanna shout.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I am completely with you.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, they gave a very milquetoasty, you know, divorce announcement on Instagram.

[Lauren]

I would have loved if they had actually given a more Brooklyn Beckham.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Coded, you know, I mean, multi. Multi frame television explanation.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, this is why when the Brooklyn Beckham statement hit it, you know, was, like, heard around the world, because we're used to these, you know, it's with a humble heart that we, you know, we have splitting up. Please respect our privacy. I kind of wish that I wish that Paige was single and I wish Paige was still on Summer House so that we could have a Paige and Amanda Sarah, you know, single era. That would be amazing. I'm excited to see the new show the spin off. I mean I, I believe that Kyle and Amanda will continue to be on screen together because I think that will be good.

[Lauren]

That will be great team.

[Chandler]

You know, as they navigate. She's dating, he's dating. How does you know like that. That's a, that's a whole other five years.

[Lauren]

He really is just giving Mauricio Manski and you know what?

[Chandler]

Honestly, but, but works because I don't even. I mean I guess lover boys kind of successful, but I mean, I don't know.

[Lauren]

You know what? Not everyone needs to be a family man. Not everyone needs to grow up. Some people just some guys want to be Peter pants forever. It's better that and it's better he kind of showed his true colors. You, you know, you know what you're getting with him versus they have a kid.

[Chandler]

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[Chandler]

Like she could be in way deeper than she got. Totally. Totally. And I do think she's like, she's still on the ascent.

[Lauren]

So happy for her. Absolutely. Okay. Want to talk about Beverly Hills really quick?

[Chandler]

Yeah, I want to touch on Beverly Hills. We had another episode of the Gals in Sedona.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Before we get into Amanda because she's really where I just want to, you know, I want to get your thoughts on her. Before I get to that though, I just want to talk about the shopping scene. Sedona. Okay. As these women are somehow spending four to five figures when Kyla Richards pulls.

[Lauren]

Out the two 2500 dollar turquoise jewelry that looks like it should be 25. In the Sedona airport.

[Chandler]

Literally Sedona airport.

[Lauren]

I wanted to ask Chatgpt like how much should this actually cost?

[Chandler]

And the women are like it's a must. It's a must.

[Lauren]

I honestly think my, my. I think it was my 10th grade calculate not calculus was on calculus. My 10th grade chemistry teacher, Mrs. Ream who was an equestrian.

[Chandler]

We're naming names. High school teachers.

[Lauren]

Yeah. She, she had, she wore that same tur.

[Chandler]

Oh it's. It's, it's definitely like Southern California. Like granola moms coded. It's great. It's great for them and it's not necessarily ugly. It's just not something that should be $2,500. Yeah. I mean and the way that the women are just like it's a must. And then like I thought the editing was so good because they all show the totals that people that they all spent where it's clearly kind of like a, a pissing contest to see like, oh, oh yeah, I can drop $4,000 on jewelry I'll never wear again in Sedona.

[Lauren]

No, I mean, fuck the jewelry. Also, when they showed re handing over her credit card and it's like, will it or will it go through? The editors really did her dirty there.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I, I just thought that was hilarious. And then, you know, we have snippets throughout the episode where Amanda, she's just kind of, she's doing her bidding. She is making inroads, as they say, as it was kind of an annoying housewife.

[Lauren]

Like, I wonder how these episodes would be without Amanda.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Like, would we be getting amazing heart to hearts from these women?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like, what would the drama be? Would it be weird fake drama?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

I actually really appreciate this kind of like petty stupid drama because it's not a fake storyline and it is fun to hate because Amanda is so annoying.

[Chandler]

When she's in the car, she's doing.

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[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

It's like, we get it, girl. You have a job.

[Chandler]

Well, this is what Erica said. She's like, this is not a biz. Don't try to stunt on us. This is not like we all have businesses. And she's like, if I wanted to like listen to you do, do your business dealings.

[Lauren]

She. No, 100%.

[Chandler]

She actually, she is just like flexing so hard and doing the most at all times. And it's so fun to watch. Well, and you just.

[Lauren]

They show her on a zoom call with her team and her big directive on this call is like the, you know, CEO is to send in the email about like the vibes. Send the good vibes email. I mean, she really gives a bad name to, you know, female entrepreneurs.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, and then what is. I mean, someone talks about manifesting and then she starts talking about manifesting her husband.

[Lauren]

But it needs everything except for one thing.

[Chandler]

And she's like, I make more than I make more than he makes in a year.

[Lauren]

In a month. In a month, easy.

[Chandler]

Okay, okay.

[Lauren]

I mean, she says something annoying every 10 seconds.

[Chandler]

Every 10 seconds.

[Lauren]

Like, she talks about how she loves python and snakeskin bags.

[Chandler]

And she's like, I have a lot of. Yes, a lot. Like, the bragging is insane to watch. But it's.

[Lauren]

What's so funny about it is she's in the room with a lot of very.

[Chandler]

Like.

[Lauren]

Like, aside from Dorit and Erica, all of those women are very, very wealthy. Especially Jennifer Tilly, especially Sutton and Kathy Hilton. These are women that are just in a different sphere. So let's not, like, be talking about how many Chanel's you have.

[Chandler]

This is impressive to them. I wonder if she's like, I have to prove myself that I'm just as good as they are, but I had to, you know, I had to renovate your whole house, Give it what it needed. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I mean, but it's just so interesting because she's not on their. She's not even close to on their level. Yeah.

[Chandler]

But she's like, to her, she must be, like, somewhat on their level.

[Lauren]

Like, she clearly is insecure.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And feels like she needs to prove something.

[Chandler]

And I. I think when that insecurity is then turned into this, like, insane bragging and stunting and flexing.

[Lauren]

Oh, my God.

[Chandler]

It's just. It's. I love watching it. No, it's. I love it. Like, I was like, oh, I'm glad she's here.

[Lauren]

Exactly. It's kind of fun.

[Chandler]

It's super fun.

[Lauren]

At some point, I'm wondering, does she. Is she trying to actually be annoying?

[Chandler]

That's the problem. It's like, I can't tell if. If she is just trying to make sure that she gives a good performance.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And doesn't really care if she annoys all the women in her first season.

[Lauren]

She is 100% putting in the housewife work, bringing up all the obby stuff.

[Chandler]

Yes, totally. And then when she, you know, confronts Sutton and says, like, like, you seemed like you were really mad at me.

[Lauren]

No, she. She won't let the obby thing go.

[Chandler]

Yeah. One thing about Sudden.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

She really is the friend that is the most sensitive and fragile.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

And that. Whose mood, like, the entire dinner revolves around.

[Sponsor Voice]

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[Chandler]

It's getting to be kind of grading. That's exhausting. I'm a little over it for Sudden. You know, it's like. And I feel bad for Jennifer Tilly yet again. Like, everybody is just constantly kind of evaluating Sutton's mood to, you know, to, like, then, like, it's okay. Like, you're amazing. I'm over it.

[Lauren]

No, I mean, I think Sutton brings a lot to the show. I really enjoy her as a housewife, but I would be 100% so exhausted by her as a friend.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I. I absolutely feel for Jennifer Tilly. And Jennifer Tilly just brings so much to the show when she says she's like, oh, I need my face. I can't be near the barbecue and you light it. You know, I'm an actor.

[Chandler]

My face is. I act with my face or something.

[Lauren]

Something. I need my face. Or when she says, I took the lid off the guacamole, my work here is done. She's amazing. She's so funny.

[Chandler]

I want Jennifer Tilly at every party. I want to hear her quips, see, non stop.

[Lauren]

That's like the perfect housewife to be, which is just, I'm super rich. I don't need this at all. I get to come on and just be funny, but I'm never gonna get mired in the drama or, like, the. The muck of this.

[Chandler]

But it sounds like she's. I don't know. At least next.

[Lauren]

Next.

[Chandler]

Next week, Kyle tells, you know, Sutton about what Jennifer said, and we'll see.

[Lauren]

That's true. That's true.

[Chandler]

Anyway, love Jennifer.

[Lauren]

So good.

[Chandler]

Okay, enough about housewives. I want to ask you one question before we conclude this episode. You haven't posted any photos from 2016. Why haven't you?

[Lauren]

Honestly, I just. I go back on my camera roll, and it's horrible.

[Chandler]

It's awful.

[Lauren]

Okay, thank you.

[Chandler]

No, I. I'm like, I love her. I. I look at those photos and I'm, like, sending you love and light, girl, but you're not getting resurrected on the Internet.

[Lauren]

I hear. I hear all the time from people like, I didn't know how pretty I was when I was younger. I have the opposite experience. I always was way more confident than.

[Chandler]

I deserved to be when I was at. Every. Every year.

[Lauren]

Every year.

[Chandler]

It's so bad.

[Lauren]

It's like I'm. I literally. I want to get, like, whatever the White House has for protection of, like, the. Their phones.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

I want to have that level of, like, vault security on your old picks. My. All my old photos.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, our friend recently sent us one from 2016. You know, Lee, he said, if you need a photo to post from 2016, and I was like, God, no.

[Lauren]

Chandler said that will not see the light.

[Chandler]

Absolutely not.

[Lauren]

So, yeah, that's why I haven't posted. I mean, I also just kind of. I'm lazy with Instagram. Instagram feels like work to me.

[Chandler]

Instagram does feel like work. I can appreciate that. And, yeah, I don't know. I'm just. I'm not really about the throwback posts.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Sorry.

[Lauren]

But I enjoy viewing them of other people.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I mean, I actually don't think I care that much, but I'm glad You do?

[Lauren]

That's funny. No, I. I enjoy viewing them for sure. Okay.

[Chandler]

You know what else about 2016 actually? Yeah, if. If we were throwing it back to 2016, wouldn't we be starting the podcast?

[Lauren]

No. Oh, well, starting the podcast for the first time.

[Chandler]

For the first time.

[Lauren]

Okay. I don't think it was actually 2016 then, because that was two. I think it was like 2014.

[Chandler]

No, wait, I was still in high school in 2014.

[Lauren]

What a flux. Okay, well, no, because I graduated from college in 2016.

[Chandler]

I know. I think it might have been your last year. Byu.

[Lauren]

What was your high school graduation year? I'm so jet lagged.

[Chandler]

2014 was 2014. SCHS class of 2014.

[Lauren]

So 2015, I think was when we.

[Chandler]

Started the pod because it was even more embarrassing.

[Lauren]

It was like your first year at byu, what year were you.

[Chandler]

It was like my second. It was definitely my second year.

[Lauren]

Anyway, anyway, around then.

[Chandler]

Around then.

[Lauren]

So starting the pod for the first time. Yeah.

[Chandler]

Alas.

[Lauren]

Alas. Where we'd be today if we had, you know, stuck with it. Stuck with it indeed.

[Chandler]

Well, everyone. Everyone who, you know, joined us when we started it for the second time around in 2020. Thank you for being here.

[Lauren]

Thank you for being here. Thank you for at whatever point you joined us. Thank you for joining at all. Thank you for listening. If you like this show. Hey, you know what would be amazing?

[Chandler]

Hey.

[Lauren]

Go on over to Apple Podcast and give us a five star review. Can I just say something?

[Chandler]

What?

[Lauren]

Someone got mad recently.

[Chandler]

Why?

[Lauren]

Because they said we're so political. I'm just like, what? So anyway, we need some sane people to leave some.

[Chandler]

I mean, yeah. Or we don't even talk about anything.

[Lauren]

Anything. We make such a point.

[Chandler]

Maybe it was like a bot or something. Who knows?

[Lauren]

It's not a bot.

[Chandler]

It's because we talk about marriage and family too much. I think that's. That's the issue.

[Lauren]

That is. Yeah. Someone got mad because we were too pro family. We're too pro family. Yeah. And two, like honestly, I think too Mormon coded, but this person said we were like not nice to Mormonism and.

[Chandler]

That'S why we're too political and also.

[Lauren]

Not nice to Republicans.

[Chandler]

Well, here, those are some ideas. If you don't want to leave us a five star review. Those are some things you can say. Yeah. If you want to leave us a.

[Lauren]

Bad review, you know, you could say that.

[Chandler]

Have at it.

[Lauren]

But if you do like this show.

[Chandler]

Please leave us a review.

[Lauren]

It would mean a lot. We actually, we basically stopped begging people to leave reviews because we just stopped at some point. But it would be really nice to have a fresh batch, you know, it's.

[Chandler]

Not a bad idea. It does help the show. It absolutely helps the show.

[Lauren]

And we will be back on Friday with a Global Elites episode. We're gonna be getting into Real Housewives of Salt Lake City reunion part Part two. We're gonna be talking about the new.

[Chandler]

Karen Reed podcast that just dropped lots to get into. Probably Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively and Taylor Swift text messages and the Jenny Slate text messages. Yeah, absolutely. Much to discuss. All coming on Friday. See you then. Love you.

[Lauren]

Love you guys. Bye.

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