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325: Nancy Guthrie’s Kidnapping, Danielle Bernstein’s Engagement Ends + Bella Hadid’s Ex Gets Messy
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ex boyfriend isn't kind of getting arrested for being so upset and drunk.
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Yes.
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Over your breakup or like over the fact that he almost lost you. Like, what is he doing? Like if he wanted to, he would.
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Yeah, if he wanted to. He if you've been noticing clean stripes, nautical details and that polished but relaxed look everywhere lately, you're not imagining it. Macy's style experts call the classic coastal trend early and it's kind of the perfect spring vibe put together without trying too hard. A trend inspired by coastal living but made wearable, polished, relaxed and easy to make your own. I make this trend my own by letting my accessories do the work for me. Jewelry, perfume, and the right shoes. It's the easiest way to take something classic and make it feel personal. You can keep the outfit simple, clean stripes, linen, easy layers and let the details carry the look so it feels styled. Not try hard. At Macy's you'll find lightweight linen and breathable fabrics for that in between weather plus subtle nautical touches like bold metals and woven textures that add interest without screaming trend. Macy's makes it easy to tap into the classic coastal look in a way that feels wearable and real so you feel confident in spring ready even if you're just running errands. Shop now in stores or@macy's.com. Well, well, well. We are back for another edition of the Pop Apologist podcast. You guys, this has been a crazy week. There's so much to get into I mean, do you have anything personal to share? Because honestly, I don't think we have time for it.
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I'm just going to make it really quick. I'm just going to tell everybody that the show Dying for Sex is a masterpiece.
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Is this an adult only subscription? You're like advertising Dying for Sex. Really? You're going to advertise that?
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I'm just gonna say, everyone, this is my favorite adult video now. Of course not. No. It's an amazing Hulu show that came out last year. It's with Michelle Williams and Jenny Slayton. It's about a woman who has cancer who leaves her husband and goes on like a, a journey to find herself physically, sexually. But it's also a story about friendship. I don't know if you know this, but Heather McDonald talked about it a lot on her show and so I finally watched it this past week.
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Okay. And it's just so good.
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I feel like this phrase is kind of eye rolly.
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Woo, woo.
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But it cracked me wide open.
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Yeah.
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And Ben and I were both just like sobbing.
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Crying.
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Ben's not sobbing. I was basically sobbing. But Ben and I were both fully tears dripping off of our face for like the last three episodes.
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I mean, I have to say, if a show called Dying for Sex cracked you wide open, it certainly did in an unexpected way.
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I mean, Lauren, this is how good I found it to be. I was telling mom about it and this show is like totally PG13, if not R rated. I said, mom, it's a little, it's pretty R rated. And I actually feel a little bit ashamed telling her that I watched it. But it is about sex. But it's also about female friendship and life. And it's just, it's, it's a masterpiece. So that's all.
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I have a lot of hope that I will watch this show and I'll tell you why. Because at my current age, you know, in the season of my life, I'm not as interested in like a. Okay, you're already rolling your eyes because
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it's, you're acting like it's like the winter of your life or something.
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I mean, I am 35 and so I am just less interested in like, tell me lies. I'm less interested in early 20s, you know, hot and heavy romances. But you know what? I am interested in like grief stricken widows. I'm interested in women who are just like reckoning with their own mortality with what their marriage means. Like this. Actually, for some reason I'm. I'm hungering to watch it based on
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your description, I think you're going to love it. I think it's going to be really good for you to watch. It's definitely powerful. It's extremely moving. And you know what? I just have to give myself credit because I contain multitudes. I can watch Tell Me Lies, you know, a show that I will say the writing isn't next level. And I can also watch, you know, dying for sex.
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You are an exquisite onions. Just the layers that you contain.
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Now you're being gross.
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That wasn't innuendo.
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I know, but just like, I don't know, the way you said it, that's all. That's my personal update. I am discovering new media, new art to, you know, to encounter and to, you know, just reckon with all the time. Getting cracked wide open.
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Okay, well, so glad to hear about that. I will say the one thing that Heather McDonald said on juicy Scoop, that has stuck with me. I mean, so many things. It's like when you listen to a podcaster, they get into your brain and, like, the things that they say all the time become things you think, and it's really such like an intimate thing. And anyway, one of the things that Heather McDonald's. Heather McDonald always says is that basically, like, a lot of women divorce their husbands after they have cancer because they. They just feel like. Like they basically saw how they were treated during that experience and, like, the level of care. And they're like, basically, once it's done, they're just like, I want this out of the house. And I always think about that. I don't know. I kind of want to, like, do some. Not role playing, but I just want to.
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Where are we going with this? You started this. It's okay to abandon this sentence halfway through.
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I just want to. I don't know, is it, like, appropriate to be like, how would you treat me if I had cancer?
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Is it appropriate?
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I don't know. It's like, you can't really find that out until it's happening.
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It's kind of like the sick fantasy where you're like, what would my ex think if he found out I died?
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Yeah, exactly. It's like, who would show up at the funeral?
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Yeah.
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You know?
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Yeah.
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Anyway, some of these things you can only learn in real time in the 4D world.
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Can we just reflect back on the time where we fantasized on this podcast about the type of run in we'd like to have with our ex? Because that. That happened.
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That was an excellent segment. That was like, three weeks ago, basically.
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Yeah. Anyway, I Was just thinking about it recently. But, yes, lots has happened outside of our personal life in the real world, and I'm very excited to dig into everything with you. Where should we begin?
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I'm so excited, too. And I just want to say, on the cancer front, I just always think about it because, like, they say basically, that men leave women so much more during illness than women leave men. And so, anyway, it's just, like, one of these facts, these harrowing facts. It's, like, stuck in my consciousness.
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This is so depressing. This is such a depressing note to be in the show. I was trying to veer us out of here. And you're, like, one more thing.
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You're the one who literally brought up a show about a woman reckoning with, like, a terminal illness and the. And her husband. Yeah.
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But I was like, it's triumphant. It's about female friendship. And you're like, well, you know, the statistics don't lie and leave women all the time with cancer. Okay, everybody, let's pull back from the brink. We're only six minutes in.
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Let's do our best today on this program. Where do you want to start? Where do you want to begin?
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I would like to start with the breaking news. The latest update in the Nancy Guthrie. Savannah Guthrie situation that is, like, currently unfolding and ongoing. I sent you an update about 10 minutes before we started recording.
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This story is so crazy. So Savannah Guthrie's mother essentially went missing, and there was a lot of questions of, like, was she abducted? You know, because a lot of times so tragically, horribly, sometimes, like, people that are older do kind of wander off if they're not of sound mind. And anyway, there was a lot of confirmation that, no, like, this woman is completely all there. She's totally fine. She lives alone. She's independent, and all evidence pointed to an abduction.
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So let me give a little bit more backstory here. What happened over the weekend? She went to dinner with her daughter on Saturday night. She was dropped off back at her house in Tucson, Arizona. 9, 39, 45 the next morning. She's supposed to go to church. Church members notice that she's not there, that she does not arrive. They actually alert her family that she didn't, you know, show up to church that day. And so then I can't remember if it was family members or church members go over to her house, find that she is not there. That is when they call the police. So basically, like, the fact that she was not around the next morning was very alarming to everybody, which is why they Got the police involved so early on. She can't really. She's not super duper mobile, but she's like a complete sound mind. And then in a lot of these press conferences with the sheriff, you know, in this county, he said that there was evidence that it was a crime scene.
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Yeah, there was blood. I don't know.
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In some of the press conferences, he didn't really want to confirm that. They're always so cagey about it.
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His energy, it's like someone who has seen a ghost. Like, I would say his energy is just like something really horrible has happened.
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Yeah. And he really won't get into it. But I think the fact that they. They instantly were like, no, this is. This is cause for concern. We are raising alarms. You know, I. I always feel like the police are like, well, let's give it 24 hours and see if she comes home.
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Right.
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You know, but that clearly didn't happen.
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And then.
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So then some other information is like her wallet and like, her, like everything that you would take if you were leaving your home was at the house, so she didn't take it with her. And then I saw something about how her Apple watch stopped sharing data with her pacemaker, like in the early hours of Sunday morning.
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So they believe.
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Yeah, she was abducted somewhere between late Saturday night and Sunday morning.
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So I saw this news and I just thought immediately, there's just no way this is not a targeted attack, because people just don't take 84 year olds. You know, that's not really how that works. Like, kidnapping is already so rare of children, let alone of a senior citizens. So it's clearly a targeted attack. And TMZ has now reported that a ransom note has been delivered to tmz,
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and so they haven't verified it. I don't really know how you verify a ransom note, to be honest. But they said that some of the information in the ransom note could only be known by the intruder. So that literally, I got that push alert 10 minutes ago.
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This whole story is so fishy to me specifically because. Okay, let's just say you're going to target someone, right. And you're gonna kidnap someone for money. Savannah Guthrie does not strike me as, like, I don't know, completely rolling in the dough. Like you would think you would maybe target someone who was more visibly just like, hugely wealthy someone's, you know, like, this would make more sense if it was Kris Jenner's mom than Savannah Guthrie's. That's why this is so weird.
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It's extremely random and weird. Also, it's like Tucson, Arizona, feels like, you know, apparently it's a very safe neighborhood where she lives. Just super random and very chilling, I think just the fact that we don't really know very many details, but we know that whatever happened here, that they like, basically suspect foul play is very, very chilling.
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Let's ground ourselves. When the Idaho murders happened, they very much knew a lot more than let on. And so I think that this is kind of par for the course. Right. The police are never just going to disclose everything that they know. So it makes sense that there's a lot you and I do not know.
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Yeah, absolutely. And the Idaho murders, man, that was just another one of those situations where you're like, stuff like this happens. It's not just on Dateline, you know, like in 2026. My heart is, like broken for everybody. I can't imagine anything more scary than like, your sweet mom who's, you know, elderly.
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Well, that's the thing. It's like you. You always think of the opposite, right? Where it's like the traditional kidnapping narrative is of a child, but you never consider the potential of your parent, especially a parent that is like, not very mobile, like very vulnerable. This is just a. Such a horrific situation. And I think that there's something extra nefarious here because Savannah Guthrie is again, not someone who I think is like an ultra, ultra high net worth individual, you know, from what I can see. So I kind of think that there is the potential this is Epstein related. And I know that sounds like very Pizzagate adjacent and very crazy, but Savannah Guthrie, I guess, was only one of three journalists to interview Jeffrey Epstein. And so there, there is chatter online. And you know, take this with a grain of salt, but maybe there was something coming. Maybe there was, you know, there was some sort of report she was actually going to release. Maybe this is sending a message to other journalists who have information on Jeffrey Epstein. I don't know, Lauren.
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That is so chilling. And yeah, I don't. I don't really have words, proper words to respond to the idea that these things could be connected. Yeah, we. We will keep everyone posted as more unfolds in this story. I mean, I know that she has medication that she's supposed to take that is like critical to her staying alive, that it's now been several days since theoretically she's been able to take that. And so it just feels like a very dark situation.
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Okay, I would also like to talk about people who are maybe not on the straight and narrow as much as they should be. Like Chandler in her early to bed and early to rise lifestyle. She loves Adon, Benuelos, Bella, Hadid X. Or is he?
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Or is he? I mean, I did not think that I was going to spend a lot of time in 2026 talking about this guy. Yet here we are.
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Can I actually share a more disturbing fact than how many compute cycles we've wasted or spent on Adan? Hey, Chandler, please. You thought his name was Adam because it was like you didn't read it correctly. And I said, no, Chandler, it's a don. And you were, you know, a D, a N. And you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, it's a don. How do neither of us realize it's Aiden? What? Aiden? Aiden is a real man's name. Adon? Who do you know named Adon?
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I don't know, but the spelling, isn't it weird? It's not like A I, D, E,
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N. How many people do you know named Adon?
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I don't know. This is a crazy world. We live In
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Adon? I don't know.
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How do you know it's even Aiden? How do you even know? How's that coming?
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Because that is a name that sounds like a name. And Adon. I'm sorry, but that, that's insane.
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It is Aiden.
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It's insane. His name is Aiden. We're just like Adan. Like we have problems.
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Well, I felt so dumb because, like, I think he's like, you know, Spanish. And so I was like, I just like called him Adam, like instead of Adon, like kind of checked out.
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But clearly you don't have, you know, I guess, many friends in that community. Because Adon, I don't think is also a common name in Spain.
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Well, his last name is Benuelos. Benuelos.
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True facts. Anyway, Adon is not a real name, but Aiden certainly is. And the fact that we didn't figure that out, like, should anyone still be listening to this show, I want you all to look inward.
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You know what it reminds me of?
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What?
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It's very mom of us.
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Oh, it's so mom. It's so mom.
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You know, like mispronounce something.
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Well, it made me feel better because Speaking of Heather McDonald, I was listening to a little bit of Juicy Scoop earlier this week and she did call Nicola and Nicola. So we're not alone.
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We're not alone. You know, when, when you got to speak off the cuff all the time, you're going to mispronounce a few things. But anyway, I'm glad you've set the record straight. And now that we have spent another three minutes just talking about his first name, please, can we talk about what happened this weekend?
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Okay. We absolutely can. So you guys, Aiden Van Wallos, he was arrested for public intoxication. He posted a bail of $386. This was at the Parker County Jail in Weatherford, Texas. So I mean, recession indicator, $386 is all you gotta post to get out of jail. That's amazing.
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Maybe because it's public intoxication. Like that's kind of a, you know, kind of slap on the wrist type of thing.
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Yeah, that's probably the case. Anyway, so not only did he get arrested and there are these very unflattering mug shots of him literally in prison apparel in stripes.
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It's pretty dark.
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It's very dark. So not only that, though, hours before he was arrested, he is on video dancing with Bella Hadid at a dive bar. There is truly so much to unpack here. Where do we begin?
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Let's just go back to you saying, you know, the whole reason she went to the BBI's is because she was broken up with. She's very sad, but then it's like she almost heard you, and she was like, no, bitch, I didn't get broken up with. We're together. We're dancing in this little dive bar in wherever. Texas.
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I think you are close. The truth is, is we really don't know. And what I would like to think happened is that he saw the thirst traps, he saw the three carousels, and you know what? This guy, clearly, he likes a drink or two.
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Yeah.
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Okay. And he let some liquor talk spill out, and she hopped on a PJ back to Austin.
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Yeah, yeah, he absolutely took to the
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bottle and then took to the text and. And I think she took to the plane. And I. I mean, honestly, maybe her carousels worked.
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Yeah, maybe. This is just like, all a part of the plan. And this is kind of turning my take on this whole thing. Like, if your ex boyfriend isn't kind of getting arrested for being so upset and drunk over your breakup or like, over the fact that he almost lost you, like, what is he doing? Like, if he wanted to, he would.
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If he wanted to, he would. Ladies. And I also think that, you know what? I'm not gonna lie. There is a special exciting energy to what a hookup with an. With a very recent ex. You know, when you, like, break up, but then you. You kind of are in that, like, two week period after, and you, you know, you find yourself split wide open. Chan. Oh, my gosh.
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No, like the kind of backsliding, like, you know, can we just. Can we talk?
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That's an energy and experience. Let's just say I find it difficult to recreate with a man who fills me in on his bowel movements, as Kagan likes to do. He tells me yesterday, he's like, man, that Indian food just ripped through me. And I'm like, okay. What? I would like to, like, unsubscribe from this narrative.
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I never asked to be a part of.
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Yes. Anyway. No credit girl.
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B
Bella, it's absolutely hard to find that energy when you're in a committed relationship, you know, married, you know, I'll be honest. I don't think Ben and I have that energy right now.
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But maybe that's the thing we could. If we're actually talking about role playing, maybe that is a thing we could try.
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B
Absolutely. I would say it's all really, really hot and sexy. You're dancing in the bar until the mug shot photos come out. Until we're in stripes and the hat is off. Yeah.
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I think that Bella could do better. I'll be real. I will say, though, there's a lot of chatter about, like, him being, like, potentially an abuser. Are you saying this?
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B
Yes. Yes.
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There's an interview that Bella gives, and they're actually, like, with each other, and she's talking about horsemanship or something, and.
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B
Horsemanship?
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Yeah, horsemanships. The equestrian life. And she gives him a look that she looks, like, kind of afraid during the interview.
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B
Okay.
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Very brief micro. Micro expression. So the comments on this video are like, you know, it's been there all along. She, like, fears for her life, like, how did he hurt her, etc. Etc. And then also the comments on her dancing in the dive bar are like she's trying to hold him up slash push him away. She actually wants nothing to do with him. Like, there's definitely an Internet narrative swirling right now that he is very toxic. I'm curious for your thoughts on this.
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B
So I watched the video. He looks a little unsteady on his feet. I don't think it's a smoking gun in terms of. Wow. This. This shows that she was in a terrible relationship and he's this monster. I don't think it's that.
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Yeah, I mean, people are saying, like, she. You know, she. She clearly is, like, just barely getting by in the situation, and I don't know, are we both watching the same video? Like, do I need to get my eyes checked? Because I'm looking at it and she's, like, laughing and smiling, and she seems to be having, like, a. A grand old time in the honky tonk.
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B
Yeah. Once again, this is not something I would ever want to do. I don't know that I'm a d. Dive bar. We're the only people dancing kind of girl.
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A
I think there's so much charm in a dive bar, so I don't know. It's fine, though.
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B
What's the last time you went to a dive bar?
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A
There's one elitist on this show, and maybe, you know, people can read through what.
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B
It's more that there's just, like, nobody else dancing. It looks like they're in, like, an empty buffalo Wild Wings. I'm going to get pressed on it. It's not like it's like, you know, it's straight out of Hannah Montana. It just like, looks like they're like, there's, like, one lady at a table behind them, and then it's just like the two of them are dancing.
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Is there dive Bar, romantic dancing on Hannah Montana.
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B
People who understand me will understand that reference. It's okay that you don't. Anyway, I also think the. There's an interesting part of this whole thing, which is that do you know that he's quite wealthy?
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A
You know what? Some math just started mathing in my brain because this relationship was not making sense before you just said that sentence. I did not know that.
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B
I guess he's worth like $50 million. Let me fact check myself momentarily. Everyone, please hold, please, please do.
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I do think that 50 million for Bella Hadid. It's like where she starts dating guys. It's like he has to have a corporate job. That's like a lot what a lot of girls want, you know, like, he has to be on a career track. I think 50 million is like the equivalent for Bella Hadid.
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Well, actually, sorry, 50 million might have been wrong. I'm seeing something that says 100 million because he is like, such an accomplished cowboy.
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He's such an accomplished cowboy. I don't know, like, girls, do your research.
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B
Listen, he's. What? Considered. I keep wanting to say anon. Adam. Adam Aden.
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Yeah, Adam's even better. Thank you, Aladdin.
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B
Aiden is considered one of. So I've been learning to read for the first time. Aiden is considered one of the top ranked cutting horse trainers and he's in the writers hall of fame. Um, he's like a celebrated figure in the cutting horse world, known for his skill, discipline, and family legacy.
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A
So he's like a Travis Kelce. It's like no one has heard of this guy before until he starts dating this girl. But then in like a micro world, he is actually quite famous.
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B
I am seeing his net worth is all over the place. But he is certainly not like, broke. He's in the millions. He's a millionaire for sure.
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It clearly is enough to have Bella Hadid waltzing back into his arms in the charming or not so charming dive bar, depending on how you look at it.
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B
Yeah. I do kind of wonder if, like this footage and then we will leave this behind, we won't take up any more time. I do wonder, though, there is something interesting about the timing. I know I made the joke like, you know, if he wanted to, he would, but. So they're dancing in this dive bar. How does he then get arrested few hours later? Where is she in all of this?
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A
I mean, that's such a good question. Maybe he wasn't actually, like, publicly intoxicated. It's just that the hookup was so hot. He just was like In a daze, in a fugue. State police were called, and then they gave him a discount on the bail.
- [26:41]
B
Yes. Yeah, I know. That bail was so cheap. It's like, I could put up that bail. Call me. I'll put up your bail.
- [26:47]
A
So. Seriously. Okay, well, I think we got to the bottom of it. Congratulations.
- [26:52]
B
Yeah. I have a little update for everybody.
- [26:55]
A
Okay.
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B
Just prepare yourself. We're going to shift back into satter tone gear.
- [26:58]
A
No.
- [26:59]
B
There has been a second ransom note delivered to another news station in Tucson. KOLD News in Tucson also received a ransom note for Nancy Guthrie. It's just.
- [27:13]
A
I mean, here's. Here's the thing, though. It's like, now, anyone with a cryptocurrency wallet address, like any ne' er do well out there, can send a ransom note, you know, and be like, send bitcoin to this address.
- [27:25]
B
Totally. Like, how do you get.
- [27:27]
A
You know, you'll get Nancy back.
- [27:29]
B
Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, just sharing with everybody as, you know, as things unfold.
- [27:34]
A
Moving on, let's proceed to lighter fare. So, Brooklyn Beckham and Nicola Peltz Chandler. They held a magical crystal ceremony to mark the full moon amid the bitter fallout with their family. That's a headline from the Daily Mail.
- [27:48]
B
These two, you know, they took to San Ysidro Ranch. They did. And it looks like they had a nice little staycation.
- [27:57]
A
Kagan and I, fun fact, little known fact. When we got engaged, we stayed at a hotel nearby because we could not afford to stay at San San Ysidro Ranch. But we did get dinner there around the engagement. So anyway, you know, it's like, some people, they take photos as they drive by. Some people, they post up for the weekend and I guess pour bottles of $17,000 wine.
- [28:24]
B
I think it was like £17,000, maybe, or euros.
- [28:29]
A
Also, I guess there's estimate estimates that the bottle of wine they had could be worth 75,000, not 17,000.
- [28:36]
B
Well, what's crazy is that the article said dessert wine. And I'm like, are we talking about Moscato? Are we talking about a $75,000 bottle of Moscato?
- [28:44]
A
I mean, that's when, you know, you're really just swimming in cash. You're like, I guess let's try the. The best Moscato they got.
- [28:53]
B
That can't exist.
- [28:55]
A
Meanwhile, me and Kagan, like, on our anniversary night or our engagement night, we're like, two cocktails each.
- [29:02]
B
I think Ben and I have ordered a bottle of wine like, twice in our entire life.
- [29:06]
A
Some people, you know, they just have a different reality and good for them. I will say also, I do think that there is, like, going back to the. The crystal ceremony they held.
- [29:16]
B
Oh, yes.
- [29:17]
A
Because basically this crystal ceremony is obviously like, to heal them of the ales that have afflicted them with their. With all the fighting with their family. Mm. I think that there's a, like, a positive correlation between the group of people who do these, like, very elaborate crystal ceremonies and the group of people that don't have to work. A lot of those people belong to both clubs.
- [29:42]
B
Yeah. Yeah, 100%. They look forward to spending a lot of their downtime not in front of the TV, not rotting their brain on Instagram or, you know, TikTok, but in fact, taking part in moon rituals and crystal rituals.
- [29:57]
A
Yeah. While most of us are just trying to sleep so that we can wake up early for the next day, it's
- [30:02]
B
like, how do I. How do I make the most out of the next 16 hours before the Sunday scaries set in? It's a little rich.
- [30:09]
A
We are full time podcasters, so let's just ground ourselves. But you know what? We know what it was like.
- [30:14]
B
It wasn't that long ago for me. It wasn't that long ago. I also just have to give a little bit of credit to Nicola because I would love to be able to say to, you know, my husband, I'd like to go and do a magic crystal healing weekend, just me and you together, alone. But really, it's just a moment to get a bunch of, like, hot photos of myself.
- [30:35]
A
She gets the content. She really gets the content. And you know what? At least he is a good Instagram husband, so.
- [30:42]
B
I know, I know.
- [30:43]
A
Yeah, I wholly endorse that. Also, can I tell you a funny fact about, you know, her penchant for crystals? So Spencer Pratt was on Juicy Stuff Scoop, and he said that. Did you hear this?
- [30:56]
B
I didn't listen to his interview. I didn't miss it. I didn't catch it, I should say.
- [30:59]
A
Okay, so I guess when the LA fires burned down Brooklyn, Beckham reached out and offered to send him some of his hot sauce after Spencer Pratt lost his house. Cute. I mean, Spencer's take was a little bit like, hello, we just lost, like, everything. Like, we could use a little more than, you know, than Tabasco sauce, but thanks in a condiment.
- [31:21]
B
He's like, and if we could post about it, that'd be so awesome.
- [31:23]
A
Well, no. So then Nicola, I guess, screenshotted from Spencer's website some of his crystals that she liked, basically implying, like, you should send me, like, we're gonna send you hot sauce. You send me crystals. Yeah. Like, after he had just lost everything and she is the daughter of a billionaire.
- [31:42]
B
And didn't he talk about how he lost, like, some pretty expensive crystals? I remember not in this interview, but before he's. He lost, like, very expensive crystals. That, to me, like, also, like, expensive Moscato. Not really sure how that works.
- [31:54]
A
Yeah, we're not in that tax bracket.
- [31:57]
B
Yeah.
- [31:57]
A
I just think that, like, the word has come out that she is just awful. Like, I think that is what seems to be evident.
- [32:07]
B
So do you believe any of the Victoria narratives?
- [32:11]
A
I mean, I think two. Two things can be true at once. Right. And I think that, like, there can be some narcissism in Victoria Beckham. Like, we all love her. She's, you know, love that diva. But there's the potential that she's not completely guiltless here, that Nicola, on her wedding night, had a horrible time and. Yeah, absolutely. But there's also, I think the possibility that Nicola is still remains a spoiled brat who potentially kicked her caregiver down the stairs and terrorized her wedding planners and, you know, is just taking thirst traps on Instagram in 2026.
- [32:47]
B
You know what? She's working on herself. She's going to spend a lot of weekends at the ranch doing a lot of healing. So good luck on that journey. Okay, I need to discuss the trailer for American love story. JFK Jr, Carolyn Bessette. It dropped today, everybody. Oh, man. Between Wuthering Heights and this, we are being spoiled this month.
- [33:16]
A
Oh, my gosh. Like, what did we do to deserve this in the best way? Like, I don't feel worthy. I am so excited. This just feels like exactly what we need. Just some, like, really. I don't know. It's just really nostalgic. Amazing romantic content, and especially of our two favorites.
- [33:35]
B
Yes. Yeah. And it seems like it's going to be, I don't know, like, dark, not just, like, glitz and glam and, you know, the two of these, like, beautiful people falling in love. But that. That's going to show, like, kind of the. The other side of their relationship. And I. I'm just going to literally devour this show.
- [33:56]
A
I know it when I see him on the screen. That is JFK Jr. Like, he looks so much like him.
- [34:03]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [34:04]
A
I would say with her, it's like 20% of the time, I'm like, oh, it's Carolyn.
- [34:08]
B
Yeah. I kind of have to, like, sort of put goggles on. And I almost am like, how much of this is just Informed by the photos that I've seen of her. Like, I don't really know what she looks like on video.
- [34:17]
A
Really? Yeah.
- [34:19]
B
But wow. I mean, even the writing seems pretty good. I mean, famous last words, because definitely some Ryan Murphy shows have let me down. We're not going to go back into All's Fair, but that was quite, quite a ride. Brian Murphy, he's a busy, busy guy. He really is. He really is the beauty. I have not watched it, but that's like. That's his other show. That's, like, very big right now. Anyway, the writing looks good. The show looks delectable, and, yeah, I cannot wait. This is right up my alley.
- [34:48]
A
Did you notice that? I think that they interspliced actual footage of JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette fighting in the park in New York with basically the. The reenactment or the show?
- [35:00]
B
Yeah. Yeah.
- [35:02]
A
I don't know. It just. Everything she does is, like, so impossibly chic, and she looks so good doing it. Like, do we get Ben and Kagan to. To go out to the park with us and, like, get in a fight and have. And have. And take photos?
- [35:18]
B
I think they are incredibly supportive of this podcast. I don't think they're that supportive.
- [35:23]
A
I don't know. Kagan could get in a windbreaker and some sneakers, and it could slap.
- [35:28]
B
You know what? I would like to see you both do that. I'd love to see. Actually, Kayden's got to work on my Valentine's Day reservation, so he's got bigger fish to fry at the moment.
- [35:36]
A
Kagan is Chandler's concierge, because his. Yeah. Anyway, she's. She's trying to hit him up for his connects. Her reservations.
- [35:43]
B
Yeah, working on it. Hopefully by eod, he'll have something on my desk. We'll see what's next. What should we get into next, Lauren?
- [35:51]
A
Okay, I want to talk about really quick. This is just a brief thing. Timothy Shalamagoo. He. This is so funny. That line is. He finally addresses future marriage plans with Kylie Jenner.
- [36:03]
B
Finally.
- [36:04]
A
It's just so amazing, like, the way that these headlines are written, because to say that this is misleading is an understatement. Basically, he's at a screening of a film during a live Q and A with an audience.
- [36:18]
B
And.
- [36:18]
A
And the interviewer says, okay, let's do rapid fire questions. Do you have a girlfriend? And he says, yes. And then the next question is, will you get married someday? Do you want to get married someday? So he's just, like, really boxed into A corner?
- [36:31]
B
Yeah. And then he says, like, whoa, whoa. That's, like, pretty personal. But then he says, like, yes, yes. And it's pretty cute. It's. It's. I mean, I'm so taken with Timmy, especially after watching Marty Supreme. He was so good in it, and I could just tell that it was a role that he had really, like, worked on. I'm sounding like Club Chalamet right now. This is all sounding like a Club Chalamet post. But, no, it was just. I could. I could see his hard work and dedication, and he deserves to be, you know, to be awarded for it finally after all these years. But, yeah, no, I. I was happy to see that he kind of took it in stride. It wasn't that serious for him to say, like, yes, yes. You know, he didn't really dodge it.
- [37:11]
A
No, it was super cute. I mean, I think he had a moment where he was just, like. He knew what was happening, but then he realized if he said no, then that would be, like, definitely would. Would get him in trouble with Kylie and not look good. And so I think that he kind of was just honestly put into a corner, so I would know. I don't know that I'm, like, reading so much into this. I obviously do think, though, that he would just be so lucky to marry Kylie Jenner. I truly think, like, beyond the billionaire thing, which obviously, like, I. I kind of intentionally rustled, ruffled some feathers with that Take that she's out of his league. I kind of wanted to piss off the art hoes who annoy me, frankly. I just feel like, like, beyond the financial success, I just think she's a really wholesome, sweet girl.
- [37:58]
B
I think they're great together. We've. We've waxed on about this, but I am obsessed with them together. Like, the longer they stay together, the more I ride for them. So let's talk, though, about Kimberly. About Kimberly Kardashian, because she was spotted. Spotted feels like an interesting word, because I do believe these photos were set up.
- [38:16]
A
Oh, interesting.
- [38:17]
B
I don't think paparazzi are just hanging around this, like, Cotswold estate. I disagree.
- [38:23]
A
Real that these came from paparazzi. I mean, we've stayed at that hotel.
- [38:26]
B
Not me. Not me. I wasn't on that trip. Shut it.
- [38:32]
A
Okay. Well, I've stayed at this hotel. It's called Estelle Manor. It's in the Cotswolds. Don't get too much fomo, everyone, because I think that they have major issues they need to work on.
- [38:40]
B
Say more.
- [38:41]
A
It's just Poorly run. It's just poorly run. Like they basically left us at the Heiress tour.
- [38:47]
B
Oh, because they were in charge of your transport.
- [38:49]
A
Yeah. So they basically just like, they kind of dropped the ball on getting us home and we were stranded outside of Wembley at 1am or whatever it was. I don't know, it was late, midnight maybe. And yeah, it's like super packed. It's all about Instagram. I think the spa is like spectacular, but it's again, it's like if it's so overrun and overcrowded and there's like not really that good of service, like it takes so long to get any food or drinks and then you have to ask for the bill and then also the food and drinks. Like they look pretty, it all looks good, but it's doesn't taste that good. Okay.
- [39:28]
B
So it's like a. It's a steeny place.
- [39:30]
A
It's super sceny. Yeah. It's not that like exclusive. Like, it's not like.
- [39:34]
B
Wait, I don't even think we've said
- [39:36]
A
who she was with anyway. Yeah,
- [39:42]
B
literally read the like the complete headline.
- [39:45]
A
I like how I just gave like a three star Google review and like listed my. My qualms with this hotel.
- [39:50]
B
I had tied like 90 seconds of like a scroll break right there. I was trying to find a dm, actually.
- [39:58]
A
They really need to retile the pool and I'm thinking the GM to find out when that's happening.
- [40:04]
B
They left us at the Arrows Tour. So Kim Kardashian was there with Lewis Hamilton, the F1 driver.
- [40:12]
A
So.
- [40:13]
B
Yeah, I thought this was set up. Lauren says this, you know, was not.
- [40:16]
A
No, I think there's so many people there, like taking photos. I think that it's highly likely that it was not set up. Yeah.
- [40:23]
B
Anyway, well, we did get a DM from somebody.
- [40:27]
A
Okay.
- [40:28]
B
About Lewis Hamilton.
- [40:30]
A
Okay.
- [40:31]
B
And I'm not going to share everything because they didn't say that I could share it even anonymously. So I'm just going to share lightly, they said. But they do not believe this is true. And they said that, that he is controlled. He's very controlled. It's very sad.
- [40:46]
A
Controlled by what? Like the elites?
- [40:49]
B
Like the team that he's on? Maybe. I don't know. I didn't get more. More details. But like his PR image is extremely controlled.
- [40:56]
A
And why wouldn't this be excellent for his pr? Kim Kardashian is like one of the biggest celebrities in the entire world. And not only that, she's truly one of the most, like polished. I think well, presenting.
- [41:06]
B
Okay, clip.
- [41:07]
A
She's literally trying to become an attorney to try to get people out of jail. Lewis Hamilton's PR team doesn't want. That's bad for his image.
- [41:13]
B
No, no, no. You're. You're misreading me. They're not denying that this happened or that, like, this shouldn't happen. They're just saying they don't believe that this is like a real relationship.
- [41:23]
A
Oh, so they're saying that, okay, this is a PR relationship for him.
- [41:29]
B
Yeah.
- [41:30]
A
So anyway, I'll be totally honest with everyone. I did not really know who this person was until it shows until I was doing the research for this episode. And I did learn that he's an esteemed race car driver. He's also very cute. He's 41.
- [41:47]
B
You've never watched any F1, obviously. But he's. He's really sexy and he's really very, very good at driving. Let's finish that sentence.
- [41:57]
A
Okay.
- [41:57]
B
And he's extremely hot. Yeah. And so I'll just leave it there. Respectfully. But yeah, he's. He's like top tier driver.
- [42:05]
A
Okay, so I think that this could be true. I mean, he clearly doesn't need her if he's worth so much and he's so successful and he's so hot. Like, he obviously does not need Kim Kardashian. So what's the deal?
- [42:19]
B
I don't know, but I don't think he's ever been married. He dated Nicole Schlesinger. Schlesinger, who was the lead singer of or was in Pussycat Dolls. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure.
- [42:29]
A
Okay.
- [42:30]
B
Yeah, this was a. This was a DM that we got from somebody who's. Who's affiliated with those circles.
- [42:35]
A
What do you think about this Dark Theory? Bring it back to Timothy Shalom ago.
- [42:39]
B
Yeah.
- [42:40]
A
Because he's so ambitious. He has said he wants to be the best actor of his generation. He wants to be the next Daniel Day Lewis. Is there a world where it's a very much a calculation for him, like, Kylie Jenner elevates his stardom to a much more massive scale. Like beyond the Art 24 aficionados.
- [43:02]
B
I just think he would choose someone different. I don't know. Is.
- [43:06]
A
I mean, he might not be able to say, okay, I'll take this one. You know, he might have thought about that with a few people. I mean, I don't want to be sacrilegious, but it's not like people haven't said that about Mr. Kelsey as well.
- [43:19]
B
Yeah. Watch It Easy, easy there. No, I believe. I believe Timothy, Timothy, as he used to say. Timothy, Timothy, Timothy, Timothy. To be a sincere guy. And I do believe the love between them is real. And I don't know, I like seeing them interact. I don't know. I'm buying what they're selling, Lauren. Can it just be that? Can I just be buying what they're selling? You started it.
- [43:48]
A
Okay. I was loving Kim K. And that's.
- [43:52]
B
This is like a relationship that's just barely hit the press.
- [43:55]
A
Whatever. You brought this up.
- [43:58]
B
Okay, well, speaking of Travis and Taylor, we did catch a small snippet of her at a Grammy after party.
- [44:04]
A
We did. We certainly did. We.
- [44:07]
B
I don't really have many thoughts on it. Just that I feel like it's our God. God responsibility. It's our God given duty to share every piece of news with the public that, you know, that. That comes across our desk that. That's about her.
- [44:20]
A
I thought that was when the sentence was going to end as you were just gonna say that was our God. I don't know anything to say about this. It's like Chandler. Okay, I know we really like Taylor Swift. We have a lot of religious listeners. Let's. Let's try to walk a fine line. I do have a take on this. I think that it's interesting that she didn't attend. I wonder if she just like, she's heard all the chatter about how she's like she swallowed all the oxygen in the room and she. When she announced ttpd, she then showed up the next year with like, you know, blood trickling down her thigh and a T like she. Blood trickling down her thigh like she had that red.
- [44:56]
B
That did not look like a period thing to me. I know, like you and I think some other, other sisters of ours, not blood sisters, but sisters. And you know, in our Taylor Swift group chat also thought that. But I disagree anyway.
- [45:08]
A
I mean, she has been definitely, I think, a star of the Grammys for a few years. I just wonder if she's like, I want to give other people a moment.
- [45:16]
B
You know, I actually think it has less to do with her being like other people. Have your moment. I just think those award shows are kind of exhausting and it's just like, if I don't need to be there, maybe I got a little heat last time. Like, I'm good. I'll go to the after party. I'm going to be like cozy until like, you know, I get to slip out of my house at 10pm and go have a drink.
- [45:36]
A
With.
- [45:36]
B
With friends at the after party. I don't have to get all. I have to spend eight hours in, like, you know, the Beverly Hills Hotel with, like, glam.
- [45:43]
A
Yeah. Doing fittings. And then also, it's like, she's there. She's probably in her outfit, uncomfortable. And she's also working because I remember her at the VMAs, like, how. How lit she got, but also how she was, like, dancing the whole time. Yes. I just imagine, like, that experience would be, in some ways, fun, but also just so exhausting to feel like all cameras are on me at all times.
- [46:05]
B
Yes. No, beyond exhausting. I'm exhausted watching, like, whenever you see the way that, like, the cameras will pan and then you'll actually see the cameraman, and they're literally standing right behind someone's table, like, just waiting for their. Their face to react so they can, like, zoom in. Honestly, I'm good. I'm good.
- [46:21]
A
Yeah, it's these round tables. I've. I've seen that, too. Like, I saw the one from Leonardo DiCaprio. I. I forget what award show it was, but recently. And the name is not coming to me, but the. I didn't realize, like, the camera men are. They're at your table.
- [46:36]
B
They're at your table.
- [46:37]
A
They're right there.
- [46:39]
B
They're.
- [46:39]
A
I thought they would be, like, in the corners of the room. No, no, it's just like a camera's
- [46:43]
B
in your face all the time. And then, especially when they're about to announce the awards, like, cameras trained on you, looking to see, are you upset? Are you elated? Are you mad at the other person for winning? Yeah. And the cameras are on even during the commercial breaks while they, like, take a break to see if they catch anything that's, like, funny. Exactly.
- [47:00]
A
Okay, speaking of awards shows, let's talk about the Grammys. Just quickly, I want to talk about Chapel Roan's look.
- [47:06]
B
I was in pain seeing it.
- [47:09]
A
Okay, let me just describe it for people, for anyone who didn't see. I'm sure you all saw, but it's a sheer maroon gown with an invisible bodice. And basically she had, like, silicone cup covering her breast, but you really cannot see that. It's that it just looks like she has no nipple and, like, she has, oddly, no nipple, but a nipple ring. And then the, like, sheer maroon fabric is draping from each nipple. From each nipple ring. Basically, her full breasts are exposed, but not really because it's silicone covering them. It's an illusion, everyone. Yeah.
- [47:44]
B
It brought me pain to See, I. I know this is, like a thing people do. There's always, you know, people on shock value. Sex sells.
- [47:51]
A
Yeah, I've heard that.
- [47:53]
B
She's not the first to do a look like this.
- [47:55]
A
Correct.
- [47:56]
B
You know, I'm just like, I'm kind of good on looks like this.
- [48:00]
A
I mean, I'm shocked this is your take because you're so young and cool, but I. I'm shocked we are a little bit aligned here because I find that, like, nudity is becoming in fashion what bacon is to food. It's just, like, cheap. A cheap and easy way to make it exciting.
- [48:17]
B
Yeah. Wow. How long did it take you to come up with that?
- [48:21]
A
I mean, I. I thought of it this afternoon and I was ready to drop it.
- [48:24]
B
It's nice. It's a nice one.
- [48:26]
A
Is it not correct?
- [48:27]
B
No, it's totally correct. It's. It's just not special anymore. You know, I'm literally sounding like, I don't know, there's. It's giving, like, pearl clutching and religious upbringing right now.
- [48:36]
A
But I'm not saying that I don't like the looks. I actually think, like, she should say
- [48:41]
B
that for her husband.
- [48:45]
A
For sure. She should save that, you know. Absolutely. For her wedding night with her husband. Okay. And when she gives him the flower
- [48:54]
B
of her virginity, I make a joke. Everybody. It's nice. It's funny. Laurent takes it a step too far. Everyone's now grossed out.
- [49:03]
A
Okay.
- [49:03]
B
Throw up in the back of their mouth.
- [49:05]
A
I think, like, our mom used to have this phrase. I'm sure if you were raised Mormon, you also heard it. It's first you abhor it, then you ignore it.
- [49:14]
B
Or it. Yep.
- [49:15]
A
Then you embrace it.
- [49:18]
B
I think so. Yeah. It's. It's kind of. It's kind of confusing because I thought the third one would rhyme.
- [49:22]
A
I know. First you ignore it. The thirst you abort, then you ignore it, then you enjoy it. No, it's adore it.
- [49:30]
B
Adore.
- [49:31]
A
Adore, whatever. Embrace it. I think let's embrace it anyway. That has been the exact journey I've gone on with naked dresses. I first support them. I thought they were cheap and tacky and not right for dinner. Okay, that was my quote several years ago on the pod that I stand, that I stood by and do stand by. And then I kind of started tolerating them. And now I actually find the looks to be cool. Like, I'm not saying that these aren't cool, fun looks.
- [49:55]
B
Yeah.
- [49:56]
A
I just think that, like, the nudity aspect of it, it's not additive to me. At all. Because all like, it's been done. We've seen it. Like we know what bodies look like now.
- [50:06]
B
Did Bianca sensory kind of ruin it for everybody?
- [50:09]
A
No, for real. I mean, I kind of wonder and have you ever thought about this, like, was it more exciting for men in like the 1700s when they first saw breasts?
- [50:20]
B
I never think about this because it's
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A
like they had never seen them before, but now literally they're like every fourth photo on Instagram.
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B
You know what? I think that's something we can unpack in another episode because I really don't have an amazing response for you to
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A
ponder questions to ponder.
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B
And you know, I, I feel bad for these men. I feel bad for them that now, you know, it's everywhere. The breasts are everywhere.
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A
Well, because here's the deal. Like, as a woman, it's just not the same. Like, it's like psychological. It's, you know, it's. We're much more cerebral. But I think men are so visual that. Yeah, I think that they are. Yeah. They've been desensitized.
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B
So amazing. I'm ready for you to quote like a scripture verse or something. Like, I feel like we're about to get like. And you know, in theologians, it was
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A
definitely a more ecstatic experience like when you, when you saw nudity for the first time, like during Michelangelo's Day. And I, I will put a lot of money on that.
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B
Did you watch the video I sent to the group chat today? The Tick Tock?
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A
What was it about?
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B
It was about the woman who wrote when she was younger 100 letters to her future husband.
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A
Oh, I did not watch that.
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B
Now can you pull it open, please? Watch it. It's kind of, you know, feels related.
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A
That's another thing to role play, though. It's like pretend we're in the 1700s.
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B
Yeah, I don't think it's going to go for it, dude. I don't think he's going to.
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A
I need to tell someone with Timothy Shalomagoo's acting chops for that one. Okay. Okay. Letters to my future husband.
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C
Hey, I'm Abigail, and as an evangelical teen, I wrote over 100 letters to my future husband. I'm no longer evangelical. I do have the letters and I have a husband. February 27, 2011. I was 15 going on 16. Dear Perfect Man, Happy 100th Letter. Do you know how much you do for me?
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Yeah. What I do for you.
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Whenever I am in a fight with my parents or I'm just really upset, I think about me being with you. Then I. I know. Then I can forget all about my sadness.
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Jesus, man.
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C
Thank you.
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B
All right.
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A
Change.
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C
Change of tone. So basketball is finally over which equals happiness. In fact, I am so happy about that that I am not going to write any more about it.
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A
Thank God.
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C
Sorry that the big 100th letter is so darn lame. You know how hard it is to keep myself different. You know? How do you know how hard it is to keep myself different? I could easily wear.
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A
Really?
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C
Wait, I'm just totally changing topics again.
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B
Okay.
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C
Do you know how hard it is to keep myself different? I could easily wear really tight clothes and short skirts. But I know that the man I want to marry won't like me for that.
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A
I.
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C
Plus, what is there for you to see if the whole world has seen it anyway again?
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A
Sure.
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C
For instance.
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A
Okay.
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C
Redacted. Is so desperate for a boy's attention, she has been sending naked pictures to a redneck low life pig with a girlfriend.
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B
Goddamn.
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C
I would hope that she thinks she is going to marry that boy. Why would anyone want the most beautiful, most private thing God made to be on display? I desire your love and I want you to have 100 of it. Why share it? Geez. Some girls. Love always, Abigail.
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A
Wow. I hope Chapel Roan honestly hears that message. Like, why should something that is, you know, meant to be for you and your husband, your breasts supposed to be on display at the Grammys? Okay.
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B
I just love when she literally just full off, like fully goes into like slut shaming her friend.
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A
No, she like starts talking shit. She like hurts talking trash on her, on her friend.
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B
I would hope that she thinks she's going to marry that man.
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A
Wow. The best part is the husband, when he. When she's like, I know that, you know, wearing short skirts and, you know, clothing is not something you would want. And then her husband's binary is like. Honestly, it's like. It is. It is kind of scary. Like if you read 14 year old journals, you know, it's a little scary how not in touch with reality you are.
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B
It's terrifying. I don't think children should be writing anything down.
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A
It is such a good point because your. Your grip on reality is really loose.
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B
Yeah, too loose.
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A
You're unregulated. Your brain is unregulated.
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B
Truly, completely. Okay, moving along.
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A
Moving along. In other news, honestly, not quite as tragic as those letters, but I will say a tragedy of sorts of. Daniel Bernstein and her fiance, Cooper Wiseman have split six months after announcing their engagement. In three months, after they celebrated with their friends and family at their New York City engagement party. So this is at we were what everyone she posted. She said I've been quiet about my personal life and wasn't ready to speak on it until now. We're stepping away from our relationship with love and respect. There's no big dramatic reason. Sometimes it's simply not the right forever. I'm not sure what the future holds, but this choice took courage. I would really appreciate privacy and grace for both of us during this time. Thank you for the support. So just a few things to ground us. I find that there are two types of people. People who like I would say honestly, girls on Instagram, there. There are two types. The types that, that follow these east coast influencers and have for decade, like a decade and know everything about them. And then there are like me and Chan who kind of like in a cursory way know who they are but have not followed them closely.
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B
Yes, we have talked about Danielle Bernstein before on the podcast. I believe it was about sort of some of the scandals with her designs copying other, you know, artists or whatever, other fashion designers. But yeah, we, we really don't keep our finger on the WWW pulse.
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A
We, we certainly don't but and I think a lot of it is like an east coast thing. Like I think especially if you're raised in New York or Connecticut or on the east coast, you follow like the Ariel Charnis, the Melissa Wood, like those, those girls have really been in your orbit for a long time. Chandler and I, we were raised on Love Taza. You know, our influencers were more in the Mormon Amber film, you know, sphere. Yeah. Okay. So anyway, I will say though that Daniel Bernstein reentered my consciousness when I saw her engagement ring when she got engaged to this guy Cooper because did think it was so stunning. And then also when she had this crazy engagement party because I thought she, I thought it was her wedding.
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B
It was a wedding. Engagement party. Engagement party, wedding.
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A
So lavish, so opulent, so over the top. So this picture perfect relationship that I'm sure a lot of people have compared their own to have compared their own, you know, engagement parties or lack thereof have compared their own rings, whatever, it has hit the skids in a pretty spectacular fashion. And what's interesting about this is not just that they've broken up, but it's kind of that there's a lot of information about this breakup available.
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B
Yeah, the Internet is going to Internet and there are definitely sharks in the water. People who really dislike her and really love to participate in online chatter about her and her life. And so I kind of felt a little bit like. I don't know, I almost like, resisted. I honestly felt a little like, icky about reading what everybody was saying, but unfortunately there is just like, a lot there.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And there was stuff even before this breakup that I had took issue with.
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A
Yeah. I mean, influencer schadenfreude is not exactly a unique phenomenon. And so it's. It's honestly not even that interesting to me. But I think that when it comes to Daniel Bernie Bernstein, there's so much smoke, there actually is a little bit of fire. For example, at her engagement party, she basically had a speech that was, I wouldn't say word for word, but very close to word for word from another influencers, a much lesser known influencer's engagement speech in 2021. Like, she allegedly. People have theorized, plagiarized not only her designs, but her engagement speech.
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B
Yeah, that's. That's a tough one because.
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A
Did you see that video?
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B
Yes. Yeah.
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A
Should we play it?
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B
Play. I think we should play it.
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A
Okay, so the first voice you're going to hear is of the. This influencer Maya. Maya Labella. And the second voice is Danielle's.
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B
All of the decisions that go into planning a wedding, there are so many, like, little tiny decisions from font. I mean, I'm type A, so it's like font, color scheme, all of these things. And really the most easy decision and the one outside of marrying this man next to me. Was who we wanted here on this very special day. And when I look around and see all the faces and see everyone smiling, I just. I love you all.
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A
We love who we wanted to have
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B
here to celebrate us. And I love each and every one
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A
of you so much.
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B
I'm so grateful that you're such a
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C
big part of our story.
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A
I mean, I think that's pretty crazy.
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B
Even if I came across a wedding speech and I was like, I really like that, I would never lift it in any way. I wouldn't even lift a phrase, really. Like, I. I feel like it's too weird and too, like these really should be truly original thoughts coming to your brain.
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A
Not only that, but it's like, so. So that's showing a purity of intention. Right. You want this to be actually really special. So, yeah, I think that's what. How normal people operate and how they feel.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But let's just say you inhabit the mind of someone who wants to, I guess, lift someone else's engagement speech and kind of have it for your own to of kind, I guess. Not do the work of writing an original one. Like, to be honestly so careless to, like, she says. She says one thing, which is, of all the decisions I have to make, the easiest one was the man I'm standing beside. Okay, so that's like. That's in both speeches. And then the very next sentiment is about how much the bride loves everyone who is right in front of her. Who's. Who's there celebrating. So it's like, it would just be extremely unlikely that they both came up with that independently.
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B
Yeah, I mean, it's not the most original sentiment of all time.
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A
No, but.
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B
But it's like the.
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A
It's the phrasing and the sequencing and
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B
the sequencing that feels very lifted. So. So there's that. Okay. But even rewind a little bit because she created a. I don't know actually which affiliate platform was.
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A
But she.
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B
But she created a shoppable site for guests to pick out their outfit to her engagement party that, like, would fit the vibe. So this is not for her wedding. This was, like, for the dress code for her engagement party. She had a curated, like, site with affiliate links.
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A
Stop.
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B
Did you know? Did you know this?
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A
I did not know this. Yes.
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B
Where she said, like, something I'm different. Something different that I'm doing for my wedding is I'm just making it super easy on all my guests. So I'm, like, creating this, like, landing shopping page or whatever where guests can go on and, you know, choose what they want to wear that fits into our theme. And then once somebody picks something, then it'll go away so that, you know, nobody is in the same look. But it was like, affiliate links, obviously, for an engagement party.
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A
Do you know how tacky that is, given how much money this girl makes? This girl is making money hand over fist. Like, I probably can't even fathom how much money she makes. So the idea, like, I can understand going all out for your engagement party as an influencer because it's going to be splashy content. Like, literally, eyeballs are your currency.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I actually don't think that there's anything nefarious with that. Whatever. That's your job. The fact that it's part of your job to have a really fun engagement party that's really splashy. That, to me, does not invalidate your love. No, you also be super in love. But then trying to, like, monetize on people invited and their outfits is so tacky.
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B
Well, can I also say, beyond the tackiness, what it struck me as. I'm just like, man, the devil Works hard, but, like, Danielle Bernstein works harder. Like, all that work.
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A
Oh, my gosh. Chandler. There's no way she did it. An employee did it. I don't know.
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B
Like, the idea of turning my wedding into. I. I barely really had, like, the. The work ethic to make anything sponsored on my wedding because I was just, like, the idea that it was so exhausting to me. Mm.
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A
Yeah. I think, though, that when you're at her level and there are a lot of people handling stuff.
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B
Yeah.
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A
That is just a little bit of a different ballgame. There's so much I want to get into, but I want to finish Daniel Bernstein before I talk about a different influencer. So on Daniel Bernstein, the other thing, apparently, and this is just a rumor, so apparently he was caught on hot mic saying how she was so fake. Basically everything about her was fake at their engagement party. Excuse me.
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B
Okay, that's wild. But it's a wild thing to say about your fiance. Second of all, who is miked at their engagement party, I'm kind of confused about, like, was he right about to
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A
go give, like, a speech? I think that A, that or B, they're probably miced because they're thinking they want the content. Right. And so, you know, for the video for the vlog.
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B
Yeah, I guess maybe. Wild.
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A
That tracks so much because he probably is not used to being miked, so he doesn't realize not to, you know, talk on her. Okay. This is where I actually come out very staunchly in her defense, because if my fiance is talking on me at our own engagement party, like, I'm sorry, but she had every reason to call off this engagement, and we probably should have led with this. But I guess that's a big reason why this engagement is allegedly off, is because he wouldn't sign a prenup. And so he. He won't sign a prenup. And he's also talking on her, like, good riddance. Like, good for her. Good for her for not, like, getting married to him because she was going to be embarrassed because they had a big party. You know, she, like, flashed her ring around.
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B
Yeah. And I think what's missing from a lot of these conversations happening online about this is just honestly, like, the guts that this takes. Especially after you have posted about this, like, non stop on Instagram and you've had this beautifully curated engagement and the world is watching you, then you, like, need to now go and undo all of that and erase that. And it's like, I feel like I'm not trying to say that, like, that's worse than, like, the heartbreak of losing someone you love or the betrayal there. But it's just. I feel like it would be really hard to call off an engagement. Extremely hard. Extremely hard.
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A
Especially if, you know that, you know, the vultures are circling. Yeah, whatever. She ripped off an engagement speech. That's nothing compared to him being horrible and talking on her at their engagement party. So that's my. That's my opinion on that. I do actually have other influencer tea.
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B
Okay.
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A
Or just some interesting stuff I want to get into.
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B
Okay.
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A
But I feel like we've run long, so should we just save it for premium?
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B
Yeah, we can save it for premium.
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A
Okay.
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B
Save it for the global elites.
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A
We'll save for global elites. Sorry, I don't mean to be a tease, everyone, but we do need to go. So there is an influencer that is.
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B
I don't mean to be a tease, but now here you go. Fully teasing.
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A
Okay, I'm gonna be a little bit of a tease. There's an influencer who. It's coming out that this influencer is not what they seem. So I'm just gonna leave it there and you can enjoy Global Elites this Friday as we unpack that. You guys, thank you for being pop apostles. Please spread the word of public apologists near and far, all corners of the earth.
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B
Please, please. We love you. Thank you for listening. We'll be back on Friday.
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A
Leave us a review. If you love this show, please leave us a review. It means so much. We're back on our grind. We're asking for reviews. We just really helps the show. So love you guys. Back on Friday.
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B
Bye.
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A
Bye. Never.