327: Was Meghan a Yacht Girlie???, Nancie Guthrie Search Turns Dire, Andrew’s Royal Eviction and Kate & Will's BS Statement + A Self Tanning Summit

Summary

Pop Apologists – Episode 327: Was Meghan a Yacht Girlie??? Nancie Guthrie Search Turns Dire, Andrew’s Royal Eviction, Kate & Will's Statement + A Self-Tanning Summit

Podcast by two sisters, Christine & Lauren, who care about celebrities as much as their family.
Date: February 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Christine and Lauren deep-dive into a week's worth of scandal and pop culture, ranging from wild internet conspiracy theories about Meghan Markle, updates on the Nancy Guthrie disappearance, Prince Andrew’s abrupt royal eviction, the Royals’ tepid response to the Epstein files, a Super Bowl halftime recap, and a self-tanning summit featuring hilarious personal anecdotes. Throughout, the sisters bring their signature wit, vulnerability, and brutally honest pop commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Self-Tanning Summit: Dating, Nudity & Spray Tan Mishaps

(03:46–13:07)

• Lauren recounts an experience with her spray tan artist, Cassidy, learning New York single women get tanned every 2 weeks to stay competitive in dating.
• Christine and Lauren discuss the "tanning treadmill": “A treadmill of exfoliation, of lotioning, of smelling of dirty sheets. No.” (05:39, Christine)
• Candid stories about being unexpectedly naked around acquaintances and the awkwardness of nudity—even with one’s own sister!
• Christine shares a spray tan mishap, nearly sending her boyfriend to a salon nude, only to learn it’s illegal for men to be naked for spray tans in NY salons: “They literally told me… he might become, like, a person on a list right if he were to go completely nude.” (11:13, Christine)
• Memorable moment: Lauren’s introspective take—"This tanning journey is funnier than mine. This tanning monologue…" (09:22)

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2. Was Meghan Markle a Yacht Girlie?

(13:10–16:48)

• Discuss the resurfaced rumor that Meghan Markle was a “yacht girl,” allegedly meeting Prince Andrew on a yacht—fueled by House Inhabit’s Instagram claims.
• Lauren: “I think all of us put that in like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory realm... Like a fringe hater theory.” (13:37)
• House Inhabit posted alleged topless yacht photos of Meghan, face visible but body blacked out, reviving speculation.
• Both sisters agree: "We always knew that the story she told us was different from the reality." (16:48, Christine)
• Clarify they do not support or endorse House Inhabit’s brand/truth-twisting (16:24–16:37).

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3. Epstein Files: Psychological Warfare & Political Complicity

(18:28–25:58)

• Christine reads an insightful commentary from a lawyer about how the chaotic release and redactions of the Epstein files serve to overwhelm and paralyze the public:
  • "The strategy has two predictable outcomes: One, you become consumed… Gradually, they frack all of your life force... Two, you disengage completely... Either way, they win." (21:45, Christine quoting)
• Notable Insight: Lauren summarizes, “Right and left, they're all sick and corrupt. Okay. They're all corrupt at the top.” (25:10)
• Discuss the absence of big names in redacted files, media distraction, and their own emotional responses.
• The topic's weight leads Christine to recommend a lighter true crime take: "First Degree podcast" on the Epstein files.

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4. Pop Science: Crying & Hallucinating After Orgasm?

(26:13–30:18)

• Share research showing 50% of women reportedly cry during orgasm; 4% hallucinate. Both are shocked and skeptical.
• Vulnerable overshare: Christine admits to crying during sex in emotional circumstances, not during climax per se, leading to on-the-spot sibling invalidation (“See how that feels?” 30:06, Christine).
• Shift to comedic territory: Lauren—“I would love to hallucinate during—you know, glamorous. I’d like to start hallucinating constantly, if possible.” (28:44, Lauren)

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5. Super Bowl & Relationship Spectacle

(36:45–42:19)

• Both sisters praise Bad Bunny’s halftime performance for authenticity and global reach—they love he didn’t sing in English:
  • "He literally rivals Taylor Swift in popularity. He might have more streams than Taylor Swift." (37:26, Lauren)
• Comment on social media moments—Kendall Jenner and Hailey Bieber holding hands during Bad Bunny’s set (39:31–40:00).
• Alex Earle & Tom Brady: Surprised by rumors the influencer and the quarterback are dating post-St. Barth's, but ultimately declare, “There are bigger fish to fry.” (42:15, Christine)

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6. Nancy Guthrie Disappearance: Ransom, Theories, and Real Time Updates

(42:21–56:03)

• Meticulous walk-through of the Nancy Guthrie case updates: ransom notes, deadlines, haunting video messages from the family, and the bizarre phrasing suggesting the family might be asking for the return of a body, not a living victim.
  • "We received your message and we understand. We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us and we will pay." (45:38, Savannah Guthrie video transcript)
• Speculation about possible inside job, referencing unsubstantiated rumors about motives involving family payroll and a brother-in-law.
• Joe Peacock’s theory: the FBI may know who’s responsible and is using public videos as a ruse.
• Lauren floats the “media distraction” hypothesis—maybe the case is pulling focus from the Epstein disclosures.

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7. Royal Round-Up: Andrew's Eviction & the Royals’ Underwhelming Epstein Statement

(60:24–66:07)

• Prince Andrew's midnight removal from Royal Lodge—amid British outrage over Epstein links.
• William and Kate’s “deeply concerned” statement about the Epstein revelations is promptly mocked:
  • “Send the perpetrator to jail.” (62:02, Christine)
  • "Concerned?… I am concerned about not having enough milk for coffee in the morning. That's a valid concern. The revelations in the Epstein documents, that's… not something to be concerned about. That's something to throw him into prison for." (63:09, Christine)
• Noted that Andrew is also accused of leaking confidential government trade information to Epstein.
• Touch on Ghislaine Maxwell’s offer (via her lawyer) to testify in exchange for clemency from Trump—"She will say enough to exonerate him. That's all she said." (65:36, Lauren)
• Incredulity at limited Congressional access to unredacted files—only pen and paper allowed.

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8. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills: Drama Analysis & Wedding Venue Roasts

(66:10–78:22)

• Praise current season for genuine drama:
  • Highlights from dinner party confrontations, Amanda weaponizing “boundaries,” and Bo’s measured shutdown.
  • Lauren: “If all of your genuine friends, like, if you suddenly found yourself on the outs, it's not a good look for you and, like, your positions.” (72:50)
• Roasting the dark-sided “funky bohemian” wedding venue:
  • “It looked like if Johnny Depp lost like basically his entire fortune but still wanted to decorate his house. Yes, that was the aesthetic.” (75:15, Lauren)
  • Christine recollects a traumatizing stay at an LA hotel with topless pools and "dark-sided" vibes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Epstein file dump:

  • “The strategy has two predictable outcomes... They frack all of your life force. They keep you locked in an endless energy loop... Or you disengage completely. Either way, they win.” (21:45, Ma'am Attorney, via Christine)

• On Royals’ statement re: Epstein:

  • "Don't. Do not say that your thoughts remain with the victims if you plan on doing nothing to bring them justice." (62:15, Christine)
  • "I am concerned about not having enough milk for coffee in the morning. That's a valid concern." (63:09, Christine)

• Comedy Gold:

  • “It's like every day is an episode of Shark Tank for you.” (04:35, Christine, teasing Lauren)
  • “We always make sure we're stocked because we absolutely love them in our house.” (17:10, Lauren on Early Bird CBD gummies)
  • “It looked like if Johnny Depp lost like basically his entire fortune but still wanted to decorate his house.” (75:15, Lauren on wedding venue)

• Pop Culture Insight:

  • "He literally rivals Taylor Swift in popularity. He might have more streams than Taylor Swift." (37:26, Lauren on Bad Bunny)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Self-Tanning Treadmill Stories: 03:46 – 13:07
• Meghan Markle Yacht Rumor: 13:10 – 16:48
• Epstein Files & Psychological Warfare: 18:28 – 25:58
• Female Orgasm Reactions (Crying/Hallucinatings): 26:13 – 30:18
• Super Bowl & Celebrity Relationship Watch: 36:45 – 42:19
• Nancy Guthrie Disappearance Updates: 42:21 – 56:03
• Royal Family—Andrew’s Eviction & Epstein Response: 60:24 – 66:07
• RHOBH Drama & Wedding Venue Roast: 66:10 – 78:22

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Tone and Style

The episode features a blend of dry humor, rapid-fire pop-culture references, pointed social critique, and deeply personal confessions—all delivered with sisterly teasing and stream-of-consciousness candor. Christine and Lauren easily pivot between “serious” topics (political corruption, true crime) and hilarious banter (tanning faux pas, celebrity shade), always maintaining their down-to-earth, hilariously unfiltered perspective.

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Bottom Line: This Pop Apologists episode expertly balances hard-hitting current events and juicy celeb gossip, with their signature wit, skepticism, and honesty—making for both an engaging and cathartic listen.

Transcript

[Christine]

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[Lauren]

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[Christine]

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[Lauren]

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[Christine]

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[Lauren]

To get married in the temple, but I definitely think that this is a lot more than we were originally anticipating.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah.

[Lauren]

Which is shocking.

[Christine]

I know. I know. Well, well, well, everybody, it's us again. Pop apologists.

[Lauren]

We are gathered around the table, the cauldron. The pop apologist cauldron with all of our Pop apostles.

[Christine]

You're not allowed to do the intro because you're on the verge of a psychological breakdown.

[Lauren]

I am on the verge of psychosis of some sort of mental break.

[Christine]

I mean, I just heard you singing, slash muttering sail away over and over again, which I'm. I don't think that's you just like, you know, humming along. I think that's you literally trying to hold on for dear life. It's called self soothing. Yes.

[Lauren]

It's like when Kagan is really like when he's really bothering me and being annoying. Instead of responding to what he's saying, I will just go. May it be an evening star shines bright. Anyway, yes, there's a lot going on. We have many things happening on many fronts, so. So while I wasn't allowed to do the intro, I think that I am allowed to ask you what you would like to start.

[Christine]

Do you see what I'm talking about, everybody? I told Lauren, like, eight times before we even hit record that she has psychological issues.

[Lauren]

Okay. I just. I really hope that everyone comes out of the woodwork and staunch support of me.

[Christine]

That's not. He's not supporting you, everyone. We should support her in her journey to mental health. Mental wellness.

[Lauren]

I just will be so happy when tomorrow is over.

[Christine]

Yeah, that's. We have a very big day tomorrow. We'll share more in a couple of days, hopefully if all goes as planned.

[Lauren]

Vomit. Secret project.

[Christine]

But, yeah, very big stuff happening. And, yeah, we're a little stressed. We are.

[Lauren]

But you shouldn't be so stressed because there's actually a ton to get into. And truly, the only thing that stresses me out is when I don't have. I feel like news is light, but news is heavy.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Lauren]

So I feel like we should just get going. But before we do that, I would love to share with you a little story from yesterday that happened to me.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Lauren]

So I had a gorgeous, wonderful woman named Cassidy come over who does our spray tans. Yes. And anyway, she was doing my spray tan, and I learned something very interesting about the women in New York City.

[Christine]

Okay, please.

[Lauren]

Yeah, this is, like, fascinating to me.

[Christine]

Yeah. So I just.

[Lauren]

I love to ask people about their businesses. So I like to be like, how many clients do you have? Like, what's. You know?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And then I like to get into, like, where. How can we, like, juice this up?

[Christine]

Right, Right.

[Lauren]

So anyway, then you start probing for.

[Christine]

Facts and things that you can, you know, use on your own platform and podcast.

[Lauren]

No, it's like, no, it's not about me. It's more about, like, I always am excited for them. I love entrepreneurship, you know?

[Christine]

I know you love entrepreneurship, but anyway, continue with the story.

[Lauren]

Okay. Because then I'd like to be like, oh, let's get, you know, some people under you, and, like, let's think of a business idea.

[Christine]

It's true. Lauren loves to juice a business, like, totally unprompted and unasked. It's like, oh, well, you should consider this and this. It's like. It's like every day is an episode of Shark Tank for you.

[Lauren]

I mean with. The sad part is the sharks in my world, though, aren't asking for my advice. And it's probably not even good advice.

[Christine]

They're not. Okay.

[Lauren]

So long story short, though, she's telling me. She's like, there's a lot of people who go on vacation in the winter, so I'm pretty busy. Then she's like, I have my regular. So I go every two weeks. Yeah. I'm like your regulars. And she's like, yeah, I have girls, and they're usually in their 30s, and they get a spray tan like clockwork every two weeks because they're dating and they want to feel their best.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And I find this information to be flooring.

[Christine]

Wait, why?

[Lauren]

Because I find a spray tan to just be so much like work a. I find the whole process to be stressful. Sleeping in it or whatever. And then I just. The. The journey of when it starts degrading and going off your body is not fun. And like, to be in a constant state cycle of that for the sake of dating.

[Christine]

A treadmill of exfoliation, of lotioning, of smelling of dirty sheets. No. And I lived that life because I. I had a membership before I met Cassidy at. At a local, you know, chain.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

And it was like. It. It's like you get 2. 2amonth with the membership, so you can, you know, go every two weeks. And I mean, I will say, I do believe those girls are more mentally well than I am, because I think when I have a tan, it's like. It's like exercise. It's like. It's not a fun process. But the results are so good. You're so happy you did it.

[Lauren]

Also so good for five days, max.

[Christine]

Well, I don't know.

[Lauren]

Everyone's different. I just. I was like, wow. It is very. It is a very competitive dating market here. If people are really putting their shoulders to the wheel that intensely.

[Christine]

Yes. And I will say, you know, winter here sucks, especially this one.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

A tan can really lift things.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

You know, you. You're speaking from a place of privilege. Living in Puerto Rico, living in a warm, sunny place all the time.

[Lauren]

Well, my body can't get a natural tan, so I don't know how privileged.

[Christine]

Well, you get to feel the sun on your face more than I do.

[Lauren]

That's true. So anyway, I just found that to be really shocking. The other part of my little encounter with her that was funny.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Is, you know, I. I have my spray tan done in the nude.

[Christine]

Yeah, of course.

[Lauren]

Okay. So she does my spray tan. And where we were doing it, it was just kind of dark. And she's like, why don't you go, like, in. Into the other room and, like, see how it looks in that light? And it was just such a funny moment because I'm, like, in my apartment, walking around, but naked. Literally. Like, there's not a stitch of clothing on. I'm walking around in a way that I really don't even walk around with my husband home. Like, I don't really walk around. Just, like, vag out on a Tuesday. Do you?

[Christine]

Like, you're never vag out in front of, like, in, like, going from one room to the other?

[Lauren]

I, I, I, I can be, but it's not, like a normal state for me. Like, I prefer to have, like, pajamas on.

[Christine]

Yeah, but.

[Lauren]

Or underwear.

[Christine]

Yeah, but in a transitional moment. Are you ever. No.

[Lauren]

In a transitional moment, yes. But it's not like I'm like, I'm not one of these people that's, like, pretty.

[Christine]

We're not nude loungers.

[Lauren]

No.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Anyway, long story short, I just. I found it to be such a funny moment to be, like, so comfortable all of a sudden, just completely naked with another. Like, with an adult that I met, I don't know, four times.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Whereas you've never even seen me completely naked. I mean, am I as an adult?

[Christine]

Yes, I have.

[Lauren]

Really?

[Christine]

Just a half, like, within, like, the last six months.

[Lauren]

Okay, well, maybe I'm misremembering things, but.

[Christine]

To me, it seems like psychological issues are at hand. You're really, like, you've seen me completely addicted within the last six months?

[Lauren]

Not that I. Not that I can recall.

[Christine]

Well, he probably blacked out because it was, like, so hot, you know, so beyond triggering.

[Lauren]

Anyway, I just found it to be a unique situation.

[Christine]

Well, you know, that kind of reminds me of it. It does remind me of if I'm ever, like, at my house and you're there, too, and Ben is there, too, and I am changing, and you both are people I feel comfortable being naked in front of.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Christine]

But if I am naked in front of the both of you, it's suddenly like. This is fucking weird.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Christine]

This is very odd that I am, like, naked in front of both these people at the same time. I don't want it.

[Lauren]

I actually think we need to provide a disclaimer that that has never happened.

[Christine]

Well, it's like. It's not like. It's not like it's happening, but it's like I'm changing my shirt and you're Sitting on my bed and Ben's in the other room. And then I'm like running to that.

[Lauren]

Like, Ben and I have never been in the same room with you. It's not you butt naked.

[Christine]

Correct. Never like butt naked. And it's not like you and Ben are making eye contact while I'm naked.

[Lauren]

Very clear.

[Christine]

Yeah, but, but, but do you know what I'm talking about? You know, it's like this.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Irregardless, doubling down. I'm using that word all the time. I'm. Yeah. So anyway, funny stuff. I mean, I'm just gonna keep going.

[Lauren]

With this, like these, you know, self tanning things.

[Christine]

This tanning journey is funnier than mine. This tanning monologue. Well, I think I started to tell you, like, this story and then you were like, save it for the podcast. And I feel like I may be told this before, but maybe I haven't. So. Before I met Cassidy, who, by the.

[Lauren]

Way, her Instagram is Sunless Soul. Yes. So if you're looking for a Tannin nyc, we love Cassidy. It's. Unlesssol.

[Christine]

She's great.

[Lauren]

Is that the actual handle?

[Christine]

Yeah, Sunless Soul.

[Lauren]

Great.

[Christine]

Maybe send this soul nyc, but I think it's on the soul. Either way, you can find her. Both Lauren and I follow her.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Christine]

So before, you know, she walked into my life, I would go to Sugar and Bronze, which is like a chain anyway. And, you know, I would go before vacation and like, Ben's always a kind of coil. I'm like, do you want to get a spray tan? And then he's like, no. And then I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna go book one for myself. Do you want one? Like, the next day I'd say that. And then he'd say, like, I mean, maybe like so. And now he's like, yeah, I'll just go and get one. But he was kind of coy. Like, I feel like the first few years, but everyone likes themselves with a spray can. It's fine.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

So the very first time I book it for him, we actually end up having to go at separate times. And he's never gotten one before, like, at a salon or whatever. Yeah, we also used to in our own bathroom. Like, yeah, we're. We're Tanners. Yeah. Anyway, I say to him, he's like, what should I wear? And I'm like, well, you're going to go naked. Yeah. I'm like, it's so wear whatever you want there. Loose clothing, but you'll be nude when you're getting tanned.

[Lauren]

This Story is so bonkers. No, You've never told this story.

[Christine]

I never have. I can't believe I haven't told this story. Anyway, so I'm like, you're gonna go naked. It's totally fine. Just wear loose clothing there. They're all great. So then he's like, I don't know. He's like, are you sure? He's like, should I just wear, like, boxers and, like. Or briefs or whatever? And then. And I'm like, I'm like, I don't know why you're making this weird. Like, it's very. It's. This is just a professional setting, right?

[Lauren]

And, like, have you ever been to Europe? People are very comfortable in their bodies. Like, you're so American.

[Christine]

I felt so, like, I was like, wow, I'm really, like, with a square. So then I'm like, I'll call and ask if you want. I'll call and ask and just make sure it's totally fine. So then I'm like, hey, I booked a spray tan for my boyfriend. He's planning on coming in and he's asking me if there's anything special about what he needs to wear. But I just told him, you know, like, I go naked, he can just go naked. And they're like, no, no, no. They're like, we absolutely insist slash require that men are covered. It's against New York state law for this to be a situation where they're completely nude. Maybe someone can fact check me on that. But they literally told me, like, he might become, like, a person on a list. Right. If he were to go completely nude. And anyway, I am glad that he. He pressed me to check on that because I was just like, don't be.

[Lauren]

So weird about this. Wait, this is, I will say, a little bit of an anti climax moment, because when we were talking, you were like, yeah, so I told Ben, it's totally fine. And then. And I was like, okay, well, save.

[Christine]

The end for the podcast. And this is a problem we run into all the time, because I'm like, well, let me just tell you the end of the story. And you wouldn't let me tell you.

[Lauren]

The end of the story.

[Christine]

Yes. Yes. So Lauren, like, wanted this to become, like, a sex offender story or something?

[Lauren]

No, but I thought the bunny moment was gonna be what, Ben went naked? And.

[Christine]

No, I mean, thankfully, I spared him that. That moment he would have been banned. They were, like, very stern with me on the phone. Of course. I mean, maybe I was just kind of like, not. Not everyone's creepy.

[Lauren]

You Know it's true. Get your mind out of the gutter, you know, to all. To the pure. All is pure. Yeah, yeah, I get you.

[Christine]

Anyway.

[Lauren]

Okay. Well, I hope that was a great self tanning icebreaker, everyone.

[Christine]

We love a self tan ice breaking.

[Lauren]

I do.

[Christine]

Intro.

[Lauren]

Speaking of tan, can I share with you something semi related?

[Christine]

Wait, we are continuing with the tanning content?

[Lauren]

No.

[Christine]

Okay. No, we're not.

[Lauren]

Wow.

[Christine]

We have been speaking of tanning for a while.

[Lauren]

Okay, so Meghan Markle.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Has been on house and habit stories. Speaking of, like, being in the sun, being tan.

[Christine]

Yes.

[Lauren]

Because she. She has long been rumored to have been a yacht girl and to have actually met Prince Andrew on a yacht.

[Christine]

Like as a below deck staffer type thing or just like a hot girl who's invited on yachts.

[Lauren]

A hot girl invited on yachts.

[Christine]

Okay. Okay.

[Lauren]

Which is just like not really a good look, right?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Yeah. But I think all of us put that in like the Pizzagate conspiracy theory.

[Christine]

Realm that she was on those yachts. Yeah. Like, we just all thought that was.

[Lauren]

Like a fringe hater theory.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Lauren]

Okay. I mean, had you heard it?

[Christine]

I actually hadn't heard that before. Okay.

[Lauren]

Well, I definitely heard it many times. Yeah. And so anyway, I. I had given no credence to it. But you know what? This week, a lot of conspiracies people are suddenly giving credence to. Okay, okay. Including Meghan Markle as potentially having actually met Prince Andrew and Ben on one of these, like, super yachts and have been a yacht girl back, way back before she met Harry.

[Christine]

I don't think this is crazy incriminating.

[Lauren]

I definitely think it is because it just does not portray Megan in the light that she likes to portray herself.

[Christine]

Correct. So let me be clear. Yeah. I don't find this to be like, I don't think Megan is a part of the evil, you know, elite that we are finding out about. But it definitely goes against the picture that she's painted for us about her idea of the royals, her knowledge of them. She never Google him.

[Lauren]

The problem is that it very much flies in the face of the image she likes to portray of herself, which is that, you know, she's basically this like Mother Teresa type figure where she had her B level acting gigs, but what she really liked to do was volunteer. Like, that was her hobby.

[Christine]

Right. I mean, it's also why she doesn't.

[Lauren]

Really talk about deal or no deal volunteering and yoga.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So the idea that she was also potentially a yacht girl, I just think it's a really bad look, because it flies completely in the face of the narrative that she's tried to create for herself. And like, being a yacht girl is like one step away from being something else.

[Christine]

I mean, I want to know, what proof do we have of this?

[Lauren]

So, okay, so the reason I'm bringing this up is House Inhabit put on her stories. Yeah. She's been waiting, like years to break this. And she showed the photo album, showed a screenshot of the photo album on her phone that, you know, she has all the receipts that Meghan Markle was a yacht girl.

[Christine]

So. Photos of Megan on a yacht.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And she posted. She hosted two photos of Megan where Megan looked like it was blacked out, but she looked topless.

[Christine]

It's Megan's face.

[Lauren]

It's Megan's face, but it looks like she's topless or doesn't have anything on, but she put black squares over it, like in a sunny environment.

[Christine]

It's pretty crazy. That is crazy. I mean, I. House inhabit.

[Lauren]

Somehow we miraculously woke up one day and we're not blocked.

[Christine]

Yeah, we. We were unblocked.

[Lauren]

I mean, so I don't want to ruffle any feathers.

[Christine]

I mean, I actually. I don't give a fuck about ruffling feathers because I think she's a vile, despicable person.

[Lauren]

I mean, I agree, but I do sometimes really want to watch her content. Like, some of it is pretty crazy.

[Christine]

Yeah, her content is crazy to follow along with. I just want to make it clear that you and I do not, do not align with her. Especially with, like, what her whole brand started out as, in terms of Epstein to where it's, you know, is now.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Christine]

We could find it to be completely vile.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

But anyway. Yeah, like, that is interesting, Megan. But, you know, we. We always knew that the story she told us was different from the reality.

[Lauren]

Right. We've known that.

[Christine]

So this isn't exactly surprising.

[Lauren]

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[Christine]

There, I said it.

[Lauren]

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[Christine]

I woke up on Friday morning and I think I spent like the first two hours of the day just on Instagram and it's it was, you know, the type of situation where the more you Linger on a type of post the more then just, you know, more of that stuff gets fed to you. And that was exactly where I was. And then I had to break my phone after because I was just like, this is so deeply disturbing and overwhelming. I actually saw a very interesting post today that I'll read to you about, about why this feels so overwhelming and honestly why that's intentional.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

Okay. So this is a little bit long, so apologies. Um, and maybe I won't read the whole thing, but I'll just kind of give you a couple of, like, the. The snippets. This is from someone named the Ma' am Attorney on threads, and they say lawyer here. The method with which the Epstein files are being released is deliberately designed to put you in a psychological trance. This is their strategy. Here's how I know this. In trial practice, when there are exhibits involving evidence, children, or extreme harm, we do not simply dump information into the room. We go back and forth extensively about how and when something is shown. The judge guides the process. Experts contextualize it. It is a container equipped to hold this content. And then I'm just going to, like, skip ahead a little bit because they're kind of explaining why, like, information is not dumped on us like this in trial for a reason, because it overwhelms a jury. So then she says, the most ruthless corporate defense lawyers fight cases exactly this way. Disorganized document drops. The endless data with no roadmap. Both high volume but also evasive. It's at the same time too much information, but also omits the most crucial, crucial information. The strategy has two predictable outcomes. One, you become consumed. You deep dive. You push to get more information. You stop sleeping. It takes over your life. Your focus narrows until there is nothing else. Gradually, they frack all of your life force. They keep you locked in an endless energy loop in their sick mind games. You become one of their victims. Two, you disengage completely. You decide it's too much, too confusing, too overwhelming. You walk away. It implodes from your exhaustion. Either way, they win.

[Lauren]

And I think, literally, I'm being fracked for my life force and you are disengaging.

[Christine]

Well, I. I think you kind of vass. Vacillate between the two. You know, like, I mean. Yeah, anyway, one more part. When the nervous system is overwhelmed, it seeks relief. This looks like outrage, doom scrolling, obsessing, or wanting to throw your phone in the ocean. Time starts to collapse. Days blur together. You check your phone, compulsively oscillating between being Completely consumed and enraged and wanting to turn away and burn your phone forever as a healthy response. That swing is your nervous system trying to protect itself. The risk is not the oscillation. The risk is not noticing it. Noticing it is the rupture to the trance. It's how you peel away. Anyway, it's. This thread goes on. Yeah, but I thought that was really interesting.

[Lauren]

Well, they've released 3 million documents, and apparently there are 3 million more. And the crazy part, I mean, I don't know how much of this we actually talked about on Premium, but they've redacted every single name of the. Of who would be actually a perpetrator of these crimes, and they've been sloppy with the victims. So it's. It's just really, really horrifying. And I think that what it exposes is, like, I'm actually. I'm not past the sex crimes part of it because that is just so egregious and horrific and is absolutely, like, keeping me up at night. But I'm now thinking beyond what Epstein was up to and kind of what he was compromising really powerful people with and who was essentially having him do that and why were they having him do that. And you know, who's pulling the strings of Epstein? You know who. Like, if Epstein was a puppet, who was his puppeteer? And what were their aims? And that is where my mind is at.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And it's not. It's not a good place.

[Christine]

And it doesn't seem like the people at the top want those answers.

[Lauren]

No, they want us all to move on. And it is. It's just an excruciating experience. There's just been no other story that I feel like I've ever been so horrified by.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So anyway, I will say to lighten the mood a little bit, did you hear that there was a dentist chair found on the island?

[Christine]

I did not hear that.

[Lauren]

Okay. So.

[Christine]

Yeah, that's real. Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren]

There's a dentist chair in one of Epstein's rooms.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Lauren]

And Chris Frangiola made this joke on Juicy Scoop, and he said he was like, I leave a party if there's broken chips. If I see you have a dentist chair, I'm going to be like, hey, you're not a dentist, but you got a dentist chair. So I'm going to go. And I just thought that was so funny. It was making me laugh all weekend. There was also, Chandler, a trap door that leads from the house into the ocean.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Lauren]

So why would you need a. Like, a portal to go into the Ocean underneath your house? Like, what would be the purpose of that? Like, is that something where you're dropping people into it? You're killing people? Is that something where there's a theory that, like, they would use submarines to go, you know, to bring in things they didn't want to be seen above land or whatever? Who knows? I just think that this whole story.

[Christine]

Is so, so wild, and there's, like, so much information that people don't even.

[Lauren]

Know where to begin.

[Christine]

And. And, yeah, once again, the. The forces and the bodies of government that would sift through this and, you know, right these wrongs.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Doesn't care to do that.

[Lauren]

No.

[Christine]

And that is. I mean, that's what leaves me the sickest of all.

[Lauren]

And this is what I want to say. Like, these Epstein files, both. Both administrations have had them. Okay? So right and left, they're all sick and corrupt. Okay. They're all corrupt at the top. So that is my stance. Yeah. I. I don't want to turn into an Epstein podcast, but I do think that there's one podcast called the First Degree, which Jack from Lady Gang.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Co host. They did a really good episode on the Epstein Files.

[Christine]

Okay.

[Lauren]

So if you are, you know, if you want to hear two girlies chatting, I think, in a really coherent way about some crazy findings and really digging into this, I think they do a really good job, and they have one episode out, but I think for us, it's just like, a little. It's too heavy for pop. Apologies.

[Christine]

Yeah, it's. It's.

[Lauren]

We're not true crime.

[Christine]

It's too heavy, and it's already kind of consuming a lot.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So, anyway, I specifically asked, when we were compiling this outline, if someone could find a story that was a little bit lighter.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I think. I think PA did an amazing job finding one.

[Christine]

She sure did.

[Lauren]

From the Daily Mail, and it says the most bizarre response to female climax and why you shouldn't be concerned if your partner starts crying. So the female orgasm actually comes in a range of weird and wonderful forms. According to a new study, scientists at Northwestern University surveyed more than 3,000 women about their physical and emotional symptoms during the Big O. And more than half of the women said they cried during an orgasm, while 4% said they'd hallucinated at climax.

[Christine]

More than half the women say they.

[Lauren]

Cried during an orgasm. The researchers hope the findings will help to reassure women that the responses during orgasm are normal. So I actually just feel really disappointed because I've had neither experience, and I just feel like maybe my sex Life is not nearly as exciting as the women interviewed by the esteemed Northwestern University scientists.

[Christine]

You know, the night is still young.

[Lauren]

That's true.

[Christine]

You're not yet in the winter of your life, as you love to say.

[Lauren]

It's true.

[Christine]

And you never know.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I mean, care to share?

[Christine]

I have cried during sex because I've had an emotional. You didn't exactly say to me, be prepared to share this story. Well, because I thought the answer was.

[Lauren]

Going to be no.

[Christine]

Well, I've, like. I've cried. Like, I've had an emotional, kind of, like, response after having sex. Like, especially after a relationship. And then you meet somebody new, and.

[Lauren]

That'S not what this is, which I love. But I do love you sharing. No, I love you sharing this. And I think it's beautiful.

[Christine]

I didn't really even want to share it in the first place. I don't even want to. To be rejected as, like, pertinent to the episode. I think all the public see what I deal with. Everybody. It's like, here I am now, suddenly sharing this deeply vulnerable, intimate moment from my life.

[Lauren]

I know that's not what this is talking about.

[Christine]

Yeah, I know it's not what it's talking about, but you just had care to share. And so I was trying to relate.

[Lauren]

The pop apostles are all bearing witness to you and. And what you've been through.

[Christine]

Guys, this job is hard because you just have to, like, literally share your most. You have to dig deep for your most vulnerable moments, and then you're told in real time they're not welcome.

[Lauren]

No, no. That moment is 100% welcome, and you fully can share the rest of it. I think I'm not going to. What the. Northwestern.

[Christine]

Yes, I understand that it's about. I understand the difference in the timing.

[Lauren]

Crying during orgasm. Like, it's triggered by.

[Christine]

Yes.

[Lauren]

I have not had that.

[Christine]

I guess. Okay, so are you happy now?

[Lauren]

I kind of am, actually.

[Christine]

Yeah, I. I know. You know what? I think I'm good. I think I'm good.

[Lauren]

I'm not.

[Christine]

I don't know that I need to have that type of release.

[Lauren]

I would love to hallucinate during glamorous.

[Christine]

I'm sure you would.

[Lauren]

You know, I don't know. It seems better than our current reality. I'd like to start hallucinating constantly, if possible.

[Christine]

You know what? I think, actually, some hallucinations would be awesome for you. Just in real and not necessarily just in the bedroom, but just like, general. General hallucinations would really do. Some do wonders.

[Lauren]

Say more.

[Christine]

I just think if you were a little bit more, like, head in the clouds, like, you know, I think that could be good for you. Yeah. Like, I think you could use a dash of, like, Amanda from Beverly Hills.

[Lauren]

The problem is, is while other people are, like, I don't know, manifesting Chanel bags, I am manifesting, like, Meghan Markle sewing house in habit. Like, my mind is not just, like, I know my mind is going to. To at different places than other people. I'm not. I'm not sipping matcha and, like, writing in my journal.

[Christine]

And that would be so good for you.

[Lauren]

I'm chugging cupcake.

[Christine]

Like, you need to just be a little bit more shallow. Like, like, truly shallow in your brain. You have some shallow sides. Like I was gonna say, there's definitely.

[Lauren]

People shaking their heads right now.

[Christine]

It's really. It's like, the shallowness maybe isn't as much an issue, but, you know, your brain just needs to, like, go to less dark places.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Okay. So, well, anyway, do you want to get into.

[Christine]

You don't have any other sexual experiences to share regarding that story?

[Lauren]

I mean, I've cried because men have made me feel bad about my body after sex.

[Christine]

Well, that's actually not what we're talking about here. See how that feels? See? See how that feels?

[Lauren]

No, I know it's not. That's why I didn't bring it up.

[Christine]

Well, everybody moving right along.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

Wow. It's like, how are we going to do this podcast forever? Because I have. I've told every story.

[Lauren]

The thing is, I. I feel like.

[Christine]

I've, like, scraped my insides completely. Okay.

[Lauren]

I think that what we forget is not everyone has listened to every episode. So it's okay to retell a story every. Every 16 months. I think it's fine to. To retell.

[Christine]

So we're gonna come back to now. We'll take that. That tail up again.

[Lauren]

Yeah, we're gonna come back to this article.

[Christine]

Great. Okay, what is next? Oh, actually.

[Lauren]

What?

[Christine]

I have something to share. I know we were talking about, like, you know, making things, you know, a little bit lighter, and this is sad news. It's not quite as sad as maybe some other things because we maybe saw it coming a little bit. I need to play something for you. Okay.

[Lauren]

I know what's coming, sadly.

[Christine]

So what I'm about to show you is. Might be confusing because it is a montage of our dearest darling, Brittany Bateman, who we love, and Jared Osmond.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

And it's their sweetest moments. They're singing. They are looking very in love. But the caption tells a different tale. The caption says, goodbye, baby, you are loved. Unicorn emoji. If everyone will remember the build a bear. Brittany says, I'm walking away from something and someone I truly love. My heart is broken. I put this video together to show the world our real relationship. For anyone who has wondered why I kept going back to Jared, there was real love there, which I believe. Jared, goodbye. You'll always be the most special place in my heart. And you really were the love of my life. I'm moving on.

[Lauren]

This time.

[Christine]

I'm dating myself.

[Lauren]

Wow. I know, I know. Now we have a love montage between Britney and Jared. I know. I mean, it is. It is definitely a new spin on a breakup announcement.

[Christine]

I mean, I would say this breakup video rivals some couple videos. I've seen some, like, anniversary posts.

[Lauren]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, I. When I saw it, I just. I'll be honest, I was a little bit sad for Brittany and then I kind of laughed a little bit. And then I thought, they'll probably be back together in a few weeks.

[Christine]

I don't know. This feels final.

[Lauren]

This feels final.

[Christine]

Yeah. I mean, I hope I'm wrong.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

But this does feel kind of final. But don't you think it always felt.

[Lauren]

Final when they were breaking up?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

This is, like, kind of a crazy way to break up with someone.

[Christine]

Also, it's sad. She says, you were the love of my life. It's like, almost. It's not like she's dying.

[Lauren]

No, she's not. Correct.

[Christine]

But I'm just. It's almost like. Like there's no other room for someone else to be the love of your life now that you're. Now that you've broken up.

[Lauren]

I think Britney just wears her heart on her seat. She does sleep. She loves out loud.

[Christine]

And we love her for that.

[Lauren]

We do love her for that. And I think that by the time, you know, she's back on our screens, they probably will have gotten back together and broken up many more times. So I don't know.

[Christine]

I hope so. I hope that's the case anyway.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

It's gonna make me sad if these two never find their way back to each other.

[Lauren]

I will say, when it comes to digital efficiency, if anyone is looking to do something like this, if they are getting divorced or if they're breaking up with their partner, if they want to do a love montage just to pair it with a caption saying the love is real. Yeah, you can just go back to, like, old birthday posts and smash those up. Together.

[Christine]

Oh awesome. Thank you for that Apple iPhone iOS tip from Lauren. Yeah, awesome. Thanks. Women in STEM. Okay, let's move forward. We're moving forward after that sad breakup announcement.

[Lauren]

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[Christine]

I want to talk about Super Bowl.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

Did you watch the halftime show? I did. Did you love it? I loved it. I mean, you are a Bad Bunny fan. You kind of showed me Bad Bunny.

[Lauren]

Oh, I did.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Fun.

[Christine]

Yeah. Because like, I feel like when you first moved to Puerto Rico, I don't know, you were. You, like, were showing me music or something and you're like, oh, you know, like Bad Bunny. Like, he's from Puerto Rico. Anyway, I loved it too.

[Lauren]

No, I thought that it was so cool, so different, so unique. And you know what? I. I know there's a lot of people that are like, not loving that it wasn't in English.

[Christine]

I'm sorry.

[Lauren]

But he sings in Spanish.

[Christine]

He's always saying in Spanish. That is like, we kind of. That wasn't a surprise.

[Lauren]

I actually think it's kind of cool that he never was like, I'm gonna sing in English to be more popular.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Like, he's. He literally rivals Taylor Swift in popularity. He might have more streams than Taylor Swift.

[Christine]

Can I just say too, I don't speak any Spanish.

[Lauren]

No.

[Christine]

And his songs, his songs slap for me. I listen to Bad Bunny all the time.

[Lauren]

It's incredible.

[Christine]

I can sing along to them. In fact, I've posted a video before where I didn't realize my audio. You could hear me singing along in the background.

[Lauren]

I just. I think that's such a testament to an amazing artist he is that he has been able to become the number one in the world. And I don't know, I just. I think that's like, to his credit and it speaks to his authenticity that he never compromised in that way. Like, he never sold out and was like, all right, we got to do the English version.

[Christine]

Also, tell me that you don't listen to DTMF and you don't feel something in your heart, even if you don't understand what the words are saying.

[Lauren]

No. And that's the power of music.

[Christine]

Yes.

[Lauren]

That's how good his music is.

[Christine]

Is.

[Lauren]

You don't actually even have to know what he's saying. Like, but then you hear what he's.

[Christine]

Saying, and he's saying, like, we should have taken more photos when I should have kissed you more. Like, when, like, it's. Yeah.

[Lauren]

No, he is so good. And he loves Puerto Rico. He is just obviously so proud of his Puerto Rican heritage and culture, and that's a big theme of his music, was a huge theme of the Super Bowl. So, no, I absolutely loved it. And I actually. I love the part where he said, God bless America, and then he also listed other countries, like, do we not want God to bless Ecuador? No, Literally, I think Ecuador should get some blessings.

[Christine]

Like, all of them everywhere.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

It was such a joyful performance. Like, I. Yeah, I. I'm sorry to.

[Lauren]

The people who lost the plot who are complaining about that.

[Christine]

People have absolutely lost the plot. I think one thing that really bugged me was that there were some criticism of, like, his dancing with all the young children. And I'm sorry, but, like, people dance provocatively at the halftime show. That's been a thing forever.

[Lauren]

So they're young children.

[Christine]

No, no, no. Like, how he was dancing provocatively, but then there were a lot of young children watching.

[Lauren]

Oh, like, in the audience.

[Christine]

Yes, they're on at home. And it's like, I'm sorry, but if you're going to watch a concert, there's going to be gyrating and provocative dancing.

[Lauren]

Absolutely.

[Christine]

So, yeah, I thought was frustrating to me because it, like. Yeah, it was such.

[Lauren]

It was.

[Christine]

It was such a joyful performance. I, like, couldn't help but smile the entire way.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I know. I absolutely loved it.

[Christine]

So another thing about this performance.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

They cut to Kendall in the stands during this performance, and Hailey Bieber is holding her hand during it. They're kind of dancing a little bit.

[Lauren]

I didn't see that.

[Christine]

But Haley Bieber is holding her hand. I thought that was kind of crazy. And I don't know, they're kind of touchy friends, so it might not be the most revealing thing ever, but, like, Kendall's kind of dancing and Haley's dancing, but she is holding her hand, and it is like, girl, I got you. For these next 13 minutes, while we're gonna watch your ex on screen, I.

[Lauren]

Would really like to know what happened there. I know, because, I mean, there was One time when Kendall and Bad Bunny. I found out we're having sushi, like, three blocks from our old apartment, like.

[Christine]

And I was just obviously right there, you know? Yeah.

[Lauren]

So wild. Yeah. I would love to know if anyone has any insights. I know that break up. I feel like we know nothing about that relationship.

[Christine]

I know. I was like, they were hot together.

[Lauren]

And they were together for a long time.

[Christine]

Yeah. So another couple, you know, other lovers at the. At the Super Bowl. Alex Earl and Tom Brady.

[Lauren]

Indeed. Indeed. Chandler.

[Christine]

These two have returned to our. Return to our screens, which I think.

[Lauren]

Is very, very interesting, because a lot of us were thinking, okay, it was just a moment in St. Barth. She touched his back. It's nothing.

[Christine]

Right. They maybe had one drunken moment.

[Lauren]

Right. But it. That's it.

[Christine]

They're gonna go the distance. Okay. I don't know that they're gonna get.

[Lauren]

Married in the temple, but I definitely think that this is a lot more than we were originally anticipating.

[Christine]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Which is shocking.

[Christine]

I know.

[Lauren]

I know. So how do you feel about it?

[Christine]

There's a lot of other things I need to hate on right now that I need to conserve energy to be mad about.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Then, you know, than Alex Earl and Tom Brady. Whatever.

[Lauren]

I just think that it's fine. Like, he is a very attractive guy. She is a very attractive woman, and they're both adults, and it's fine. Yeah.

[Christine]

I mean, there is quite an age difference. There.

[Lauren]

There is, but. Okay.

[Christine]

I think they both know exactly what they're getting out of the relationship.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

And. But there is quite an age difference.

[Lauren]

There's a huge age. Age gap. But there isn't that much of a looks gap. Like.

[Christine]

Like. Yeah, Yeah. I just think, like, it's not like, it's. One person is clearly, you know, in.

[Lauren]

It for the coin.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Tom Brady is literally. He looks like a model.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And he's like, 6 12, so I'm not 6 12. He's very tall.

[Christine]

I mean, he's probably, what, 6, 4?

[Lauren]

He's just calling hyperbolic.

[Christine]

I know, but I'm like, yeah. I just. I want you to get your facts straight because, like, we have a celebrity podcast.

[Lauren]

That's true.

[Christine]

He is tall.

[Lauren]

He's tall.

[Christine]

He's super handsome. I mean, the Botox is strong.

[Lauren]

I think it's fine if there's an age discrepancy as long as there's no looks discrepancy.

[Christine]

Okay. You know, I love it. Another excellent idea for our.

[Lauren]

I don't know, because that's a pretty high bar to hit. That basically none ever do.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So.

[Christine]

Well, I'm happy that they're happy and they're just frankly, bigger fish to fry.

[Lauren]

True. That is absolutely correct.

[Christine]

Okay, I would like to move on to the latest in the disappearance slash kidnapping of Nancy Guthrie, because quite a bit has happened since our episode on Friday came out.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

There have been two more videos from the family release, one of them as recent as, you know, a couple hours ago today. And I. I just kind of want to walk us through some. Some updates.

[Lauren]

Please do.

[Christine]

Because this case is actually gripping me quite a lot. Like, I'm very gripped by the Epstein stuff.

[Lauren]

But. Yeah, this. This is almost gripping you more.

[Christine]

It's gripping me more, I think, because we're going on day 9 mm. And really from the outside looking in, we don't have really any more information.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

And it just feels deeply disturbing that with all. Everyone has a camera phone. Every house is like a. Has cameras. Every. You know, like, I just feel like we are more surveilled than ever before. There's more just like access to see what's happening all over the world and the fact that there are no more clues. And yes, maybe the police have more than they are letting on, but. But she still hasn't been found.

[Lauren]

No.

[Christine]

So anyway, and there's a.

[Lauren]

They've released a new message to the potential captors.

[Christine]

So there was a message released on Saturday evening and it was Savannah and then her brother and sister sitting beside. Sitting, you know, beside her. And they said, I'm going to read.

[Lauren]

It to you, by the way, everyone, I just want to share. We are recording this Monday evening. We're going to try to have this up Tuesday morning early.

[Christine]

Just.

[Lauren]

So basically this is going up on Tuesday morning. If you're listening to this late Tuesday or Wednesday, and the story has evolved. That's, you know, we obviously don't know that at this point.

[Christine]

Correct.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

So the second video that was posted was released on Saturday and the message in it was striking. The. The language in it was very interesting. So it's Savannah, it's her sister and brother sitting on either side of her. And she says, we received your message and we understand. We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us and we will pay. That language is very odd. Very odd to say we beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us and we will pay. And what all the speculation online said. This is all speculation, was that they got a message from the kidnapper saying that their mother had passed away and that they were now, like, holding her body for ransom. Because it was like, so we can celebrate her life with her. We can celebrate her life once we have her, like, body. And this is the only way we will have peace is if we, like, see that she, like, if we have a body. It's very, very grim.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I'm not sure that that.

[Christine]

I mean, that's what everybody was saying.

[Lauren]

I just don't know how that celebrate with her.

[Christine]

So why. But why would. I don't know. I don't. There's no other explanation, though, for return our mother to us, that we can celebrate with her. Can you read? Like, can we. I mean, do you want. I'll play it. Yeah.

[Savannah Guthrie]

We received your message and we understand. We beg you now to return our mother to us so that we can celebrate with her. This is the only way we will have peace. This is very valuable to us, and we will pay.

[Lauren]

Okay, now with that context, it's like.

[Christine]

Like, the tone of voice.

[Lauren]

Like, the tone of. The tone of voice is. Is saying, like, return her to us. But it doesn't sound like, bring her back on some level. Like, it's like, bring. I can understand how it might be saying, like, just return her body to us. And again, peace is different than this is how to be rejoined with her.

[Christine]

Exactly. Peace feels like we need closure on this situation. And if you'll remember, like, the video earlier in the week was much more. I mean, they were. This is not a criticism in any way or, like, judgment passed on. Like, the emotion showed in. In both of the videos, but they were very, very tearful. And it was like, all about, like, how much their mom meant to them. And, like, please bring her home. And we need proof that she is alive. You know, like, we've gotten your node, but we need proof that she is alive and that she's. Well, like, you know, basically in order to meet your demands. And there has been another video even since that one.

[Lauren]

Okay. Like, from. From two hours ago. Oh, there has? Yes.

[Christine]

Okay, play it. Yes.

[Lauren]

From Savannah Gotham.

[Christine]

From Just. From. Just from Savannah.

[Savannah Guthrie]

As we enter into another week of this nightmare, I just want to say, first of all, thank you so much for all of the prayers and the love that we have felt, my sister and brother and I.

[Lauren]

And that our.

[Savannah Guthrie]

Mom has felt, because we believe that somehow, some way, she is feeling these prayers and that God is lifting her. Even in this moment and in this darkest place, we believe our mom is still out there. We need your help. Law enforcement is working tirelessly around the clock trying to bring her home, trying to find her. She was taken and we don't know where, and we need your help. So I'm coming on just to ask you, not just for your prayers, but no matter where you are, even if you're far from Tucson, if you see anything, you hear anything, if there's anything at all that seems strange to you, that you report to law enforcement. We are at an hour of desperation and we need your help.

[Lauren]

Okay, so that message does not sound like she's deceased, correct?

[Christine]

Yeah. So that. That one that I saw, truly, as I was on my way over here, literally makes me think that. Okay, they don't believe that she's deceased.

[Lauren]

Yeah, because I just think that if you're going to kidnap her and then for ransom, you're going to keep her alive to get the money.

[Christine]

Yeah, I know. What I. What I've heard is that it's $6 million in Bitcoin. And so Harvey from TMZ has seen the ransom notes because they. TMZ is the one who received them. Yeah, and I thought that this. I have another video to play for you.

[Lauren]

Okay, I agree. She's. She's come prepared today. And we love. We love that she's not working soft. Not on this Monday.

[Christine]

Okay, so this is a video of, like, Harvey from TMZ talking about the ransom note.

[Lauren]

Okay. I mean, without revealing anything that could jeopardize the situation. Since you have seen the ransom note here, what are you able to. To say about the deadlines that he referred to in the letter?

[Christine]

I'll pause really quick. So there were two deadlines. Okay. Apparently there was a deadline of last week. I can't remember the first one. But then there was also a deadline for today. Like, today was another deadline. And Harvey will explain more.

[Harvey]

I need to be careful just because, you know, if. If the FBI is saying they don't want to reveal more, I shouldn't. I will say this, that there was this deadline at 5:00 today, and the.

[Lauren]

The.

[Harvey]

I'm trying to pick my words carefully here. There is a change. There is a change in what the. If this really is a kidnapper, what that kidnapper may want. The Monday deadline is far more consequential.

[Christine]

All right?

[Lauren]

And I'll let people read into that.

[Christine]

What they will, but I think that.

[Lauren]

That says it all.

[Christine]

Look, Harvey, you get tips on Everything okay, your tmz.

[Lauren]

So you have tips on coming in all the time. So when this one came in, and.

[Christine]

As you look at it now, was.

[Lauren]

There anything about how it came in.

[Christine]

Or anything about it? This. This letter, this ransom letter that was unusual to you?

[Harvey]

It felt like somebody means business. I mean, when you read it, it's very detailed. This person thought through, I believe, again, if it's legit, this person thought through the markers of showing that it's real. The bitcoin address, we checked immediately, and it's a real address. The FBI mentioned at the news conference today something that we had seen where they mentioned the Apple watch and the floodlight. And that was what really put my antenna up. And we immediately called the sheriff. The letter says, you will have no way of contacting me. This is the only contact. So that's why they're pleading for proof of life. That's why they are begging, because they have no idea how to get in touch with this person. They went to great lengths in sending this email to us, in making sure that it stays anonymous. I don't know that the FBI is at all close to figuring out where it came from.

[Christine]

So that was four days ago.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

So there the videos released Saturday of her and her siblings. And then police were spotted leaving Annie Guthrie's home wearing gloves and carrying brown bags on Saturday night. Like, after searching her home. And then they also searched the septic tank on the property of her sister's house.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

It's pretty crazy. It's like they're searching. Like they're releasing videos with the sister.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Pleading for this kidnapper to release their mom.

[Lauren]

Right.

[Christine]

But then the police are also searching her house.

[Lauren]

Well, okay.

[Christine]

I mean, I know there's theories, but.

[Lauren]

So, yeah, I have a theory.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So someone wrote to us and they said, girls, Savannah Guthrie, mom info. Not sure if this is widespread, but I was basically on a trip and I struck up a conversation with a couple from New York who are close friends with Savannah. Okay.

[Christine]

Okay. I've not. I did not read this.

[Lauren]

You didn't read this? When I mentioned Savannah, they said, well, of course, she's not necessarily telling everything to friends and is being private, and they reach out to express their thoughts and prayers. But they said given what they know of the family dynamics and details that have been shared of the case, they and their other close friends think it is the brother in law. He's been on the family payroll and has financial motive and also has the knowledge of how to get into the house and disable the cameras or avoid them to not get caught. I'm not sure if he's being investigated already or if he has an alibi, but they were very adamant that they fully believe it's an inside job from the family to get money from Savannah. Apparently, he was the last person to see her alive.

[Christine]

Yeah, he was. Yeah.

[Lauren]

It has some traction on the news, but the fact that Savannah isn't defending him and that these friends said that everyone in the inner circle thinks it's him is pretty damning.

[Christine]

So I guess what I don't know is. Is.

[Lauren]

And it makes sense. They're checking the sister's septic tank.

[Christine]

Where is he? Where is he? Is he behind the scenes and all this, but also being investigated? I also got a theory from Joe because we're talking about this in our group. Joe Peacock.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Friend of the pod. And he said, I'm praying the FBI knows who it is, and asked Savannah to post that video an hour ago to throw them off because they are hot on the person's trails. Should I read that again?

[Lauren]

I know. I. I'm.

[Christine]

I. I heard you.

[Lauren]

I just think it's an amazing theory. I hope it's right.

[Christine]

I know. I know. I heard that. And I was like, oh, maybe there's, like, I could see. I don't know. It's actually so confounding to me that we are supposed to believe there's really not a lot of information.

[Lauren]

No, it's still.

[Christine]

No, it's crazy.

[Lauren]

And I was listening to long crime, that YouTube channel, talk about it, and what they were talking about was how, you know, they don't really understand. Let's say that they agree to actually pay the ransom, which it seems like they agreed to pay, but they are basically saying, like, well, how do they actually drop her off?

[Christine]

Right. Right.

[Lauren]

Yeah. With how much surveillance there is now, how many cameras there are? First of all, how do they drop her off? And, like, do they pay her? Pay them, and then just hope that she gets dropped off?

[Christine]

Right.

[Lauren]

Or does this person have to drop her off without getting payment? That's unlikely. But then how do they even do it? Where do they even, like, put her?

[Christine]

Right. Yeah. I have no idea. I don't even have a take because it's just like that. My only experience from movies where I feel like it's always a setup.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

You know?

[Lauren]

Well, I mean. And just getting into wacko conspiratorial land. We mistakenly said on last episode that Savannah had interviewed Epstein. Excuse me. She was one of the key people who interviewed Epstein's victims. And we, you know, had a theory that this was people sending a message to journalists or anyone who had inside information. But also, like, what if this is just trying to divert people's attention from.

[Christine]

I know.

[Lauren]

The Epstein files. Like what? Like this is a story that's sweeping everything.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

It's like a. It's like the new Gabby Petito, essentially.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And it is diverting a lot of attention to one of the greatest scandals coming.

[Christine]

Right. And it's gone.

[Lauren]

Scandals like the Epstein files are legitimately crimes. The unrighteous unraveling of, I feel like the world as we know it.

[Christine]

So. Yeah. To say yeah to. Yeah. To put it lightly.

[Lauren]

To understate matters.

[Christine]

Yeah. Anyway, everybody.

[Lauren]

So that's where we are.

[Christine]

I wish. Yeah, I. I wish there. There was lighter fare today.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

We can move on to Beverly Hills.

[Lauren]

No, I want to talk a little bit.

[Christine]

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[Lauren]

Same. It's not that the love isn't there. We're just short on time. We're heavy on the goodwill toward each other, but light on the planning.

[Christine]

Exactly. Which is why I actually love that Macy's leans into the idea that last minute doesn't have to feel Laz. Okay, They've got these curated ready to go gifts that still feel really thoughtful.

[Lauren]

Because the worst feeling is scrambling and ending up with something that screams I panicked and bought the first thing I saw.

[Christine]

Yes, like something you just had overnighted to you that clearly was bought in a panic.

[Lauren]

So what's your go to last minute gift idea? That never fails.

[Christine]

Easy. Beauty gift sets. Okay. They're basically gifting an experience in a box. It's like saying I want you to feel expensive and taken care of.

[Lauren]

I fully agree. And Macy's beauty sets are elite. The men's Gucci Guilty Essence three piece set. That's a win every time. You don't even have to know his scent preferences. Gucci Guilty covers it.

[Christine]

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[Lauren]

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[Christine]

Ugh. It's a dream. But be honest. Does Valentine's Day stress you out or do you actually enjoy Stresses me out.

[Lauren]

Until I remember it doesn't have to be that serious. Once I shift from perfect gift to thoughtful gesture, it gets way easier.

[Christine]

You know, it's really not about going big. It's about making someone feel seen. And you know what? You know who I'd like to make feel seen? Myself.

[Lauren]

Oh, I'm a big believer in the self gift Valentine's Day. If you're celebrating solo or even if you're not, you deserve something. We all deserve something.

[Christine]

Lauren. I could not agree more. If I'm gifting myself, it's comfort with a little flair. Like the State of Day floral sleep set. Or the Free People Sweet Love Cameo boxer set. Cute, cozy and it makes staying in feel very fun.

[Lauren]

And pairing that with a slip silk eye mask just because that is self care.

[Christine]

It's saying I care about my sleep and my main character energy. I also love self gifting things for the home. Little upgrades that make your space feel luxurious.

[Lauren]

Same a Jo Malone wild bluebell diffuser instantly changes the mood of a room. Suddenly you're not just home, you're in a curated space.

[Christine]

Or the Mackenzie child's pink checkered tea kettle. Have you seen these? Okay. They are so cute. And maybe you need a new tea kettle. Maybe you need every single morning to just feel a little bit cuter and more put together.

[Lauren]

Oh, absolutely. That's the thing. These aren't big, dramatic gifts. They're small joys. And Macy's makes it easy to find.

[Christine]

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[Lauren]

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[Christine]

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[Lauren]

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[Christine]

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[Lauren]

So Prince Andrew was removed from Royal Lodge finally. So he was apparently removed in the dead of night. So Andrew McBatten Windsor, according to Page Six, was reportedly spirited out of his long time home at Royal Lodge in the middle of the night. According to Royal sources, the former Prince was dispatched by car to the depths of Norfolk. It was hastily arranged and done under the radar, leaving Royal Lodge staff to pack up what remains of his belongings. A source told the outlet that the decision was made by Prince William and King Charles on Sunday evening following an urgent discussion. Discussion at Sandringham. So it's interesting because in the uk, the Epstein files are actually a much larger deal. I don't know if you know this, but like people, there they are, heads are rolling in the uk. Yeah. And there are people with huge banners outside of Buckingham palace saying, Charles, what did you know? And, and there was someone shouting at Charles during his most recent, like, walk that he was doing just to his car that was like, you know, what did you know? You've been protecting Andrew. People are livid.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And so I want to share, I want to share some new comments from Prince William and Kate Middleton, okay. Because they have broken their silence on the Epstein scandal and they've released a comment through their representative saying they're, quote, deeply concerned by the revelations and the latest release of files connected to the late sex offender. A Kensington palace spokesperson said, I can confirm that the Prince and Princess have been deeply concerned by the continuing revelations. Their thoughts remain focused on the victims.

[Christine]

Okay, so send the perpetrator to jail.

[Lauren]

Yeah, right, right, exactly.

[Christine]

If your thoughts are with the victims, send the perpetrator to jail.

[Lauren]

Why are you just giving him a less nice house? And also, by the way, while they're renovating his future home, because I guess he needs a house with nicer finishes.

[Christine]

Don't. Do not say that your thoughts remain with the victims if you plan on doing nothing to bring them justice. Okay?

[Lauren]

But then get this, they Say the brief sentiments marks William and Kate's first statement since the U.S. department of justice published 3.5 million pages. And apparently they are hoping that this acknowledgment allows them to not basically receive questions on their upcoming tour or the upcoming visit to Saudi Arabia. So they are hoping that this can kind of like put things to bed a little bit for them when they go on this press tour in Saudi.

[Christine]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[Lauren]

This is. First of all, it's the most paltry nothing of a statement. They're concerned, deeply concerned. And their thoughts are, you know, let's use the word.

[Christine]

Horrified.

[Lauren]

Horrified, disgusted.

[Christine]

I mean, deeply upset, concerned. Like I am concerned about not having enough milk for coffee in the morning. That's a valid concern.

[Lauren]

The revelations in the Epstein documents, that's.

[Christine]

Not something to be concerned about.

[Lauren]

That's something to. To throw him into prison for.

[Christine]

Because concern does not imply, like guilt.

[Lauren]

No, exactly.

[Christine]

It's like we're not sure. We're concerned the allegations are concerning, but they're not, you know, they're allegations.

[Lauren]

It's so carefully worded to be the bare minimum. And this is where I just think that, like, I kind of go back to where the FSK Middleton and it's like, what really happened?

[Christine]

What really dismantle it?

[Lauren]

What really happened? These. These elites completely lie. They lie at every turn. They think we're idiots. And I'm sorry, I. I think I would expect a little bit more out of Kate Middleton.

[Christine]

There is only one set of global elites we can trust and they're the people who subscribe to Pop apologists and that's it. And if you trust another global elite.

[Lauren]

No, you can't.

[Christine]

Don't.

[Lauren]

It's a huge mistake. So it's. I almost feel like this statement is just so. Damn.

[Christine]

No, it was actually upsetting to me. You know, it was horrifying. There's concerning statement was horrifying to me because it's just. Yes. Okay, so this is just another. This is just another governing body. Another body that's supposed to bring, you know, right to wrong. Right. That is just hoping this goes away.

[Lauren]

Right, Exactly. Exactly. I cannot agree more. Also, what's revealed in the files is that there are claims that he was passing information about official, like government. Yeah. Trips to Jeffrey Epstein. So police are assessing allegations that Andrew shared confidential information from his role as government trade envoy with the child sex offender and financier, Jeffrey Epstein. So he is expected affording official reports about overseas trips to Singapore, China, Hong Kong and Vietnam in 2010. And 11 allegations that have emerged after the release of the emails by the Department of Justice. So it's like, so not only are his crimes sexual in nature and towards underage girls, but then also he's, you know, he's like, committing crimes against his country.

[Christine]

Yeah. Lock him up. Throw away the key.

[Lauren]

Anyway, I just. I just.

[Christine]

Did you see that Ghislaine said that she will testify if she can be pardoned by Trump.

[Lauren]

Yeah, yeah. She's like, if she gets clemency from Trump.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

She will say enough to exonerate him. That's all she said.

[Christine]

Oh, my God.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So she's not going to go after anyone else.

[Christine]

Right, right.

[Lauren]

So basically, the Department of Justice said that they would allow members of Congress to view the unredacted documents with a pen and paper. But then she was just. Now I feel like I'm at this. This place where I'm like, is it real what they show them? You know, with a pen and paper? Yeah.

[Christine]

It's like, that's the best they can do.

[Lauren]

That's the best.

[Christine]

So you can write as many names as you can write down in. Right. 30 seconds.

[Lauren]

It's really wild.

[Christine]

Yeah. Sorry. We keep coming back to this, but.

[Lauren]

I just can't stop thinking about everyone. I literally have had, like, four hours of sleep a night for the past week because I've just been consumed by this. Yeah. So anyway, I also been consumed by Real Housewives, Beverly Hills. She does contain altitudes. She has an onion. Would you like to chat about it?

[Christine]

I would love to chat about it. This was an excellent episode.

[Lauren]

So good. I mean, this season, you know what I'm loving about it? It's not necessarily, like, so explosive. So it's almost, like, not that hard on my nervous system to watch.

[Christine]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Lauren]

But it is filled with just a lot of, like, really good moments.

[Christine]

Well, none of the drama feels manufactured.

[Lauren]

Yes, correct.

[Christine]

You know, the drama might not be crazy, screaming drama. Nobody's going to prison, but it's drama.

[Lauren]

You know, it is major drama.

[Christine]

So let's talk about it. We open at the dinner party, at the birthday dinner, and we were left on, like, such a cliffhanger with Dorit and Amanda. And then they, like, they just get into it. Okay.

[Lauren]

I just have to say they open. And Amanda is schooling everyone on the word accosted. And Bose continues to be a 10 out of 10 housewife because she says, as Amanda is, like, telling people the definition of a costage. She says in her confessional, who does Amanda think she's schooling? Because I Don't see anyone with a notepad out getting ready to write down what she's saying. She's just so funny.

[Christine]

Also, it's. Amanda says, you know, you were coming at me, you know, verbally in a verbally aggressive way. Like she's, you know, plucking adjectives from the. From the definition to back up her claim. And I'm just like, sorry, girl, we have seen housewives verbally accost each other. This is just not one of those episodes.

[Lauren]

No, sorry.

[Christine]

That just wasn't that. That was on happen.

[Lauren]

This is not Lisa Rinna throwing her wine glass and saying, don't talk about the husband.

[Christine]

How dare you? Like, that's some verbal accosting. It almost makes me think maybe she didn't watch the show before she signed on.

[Lauren]

No, I just think that she is.

[Christine]

She's just super dramatic.

[Lauren]

And I loved when Sutton was like, she wasn't even. What she said wasn't even that bad.

[Christine]

No, I know, and I love it when. When Amanda then goes off about how, you know, she has boundaries with other people and she will not be treated this way. And what I love about Bose's response is that, like, Bose knows how to handle herself in all situations. Like, she's like, such an accomplished businesswoman and, I don't know, she's. She knows how to be, like, politically correct, if you will, in a corporate environment or whatever, and respect other people. But she's not putting up with Amanda's like, woo woo shit, where Amanda's like, you know, I will not be spoken to like that. And Bo's literally like, you don't have a. Like, you don't have a real grip on what you can. Or. What does she say?

[Lauren]

She said you can't expect that of other people. Yeah, that's not appropriate.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

She's like, control other people.

[Christine]

All you can control is yourself. So you don't have, like, realistic, you know, expectations out of a normal human interaction.

[Lauren]

Right, right.

[Christine]

And it was just very real. I also thought she looked amazing.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Anyway, she was serving. I. I just, like, I thought that, you know, what if I'm ever in a fight with somebody and I'm getting this, like, woo woo shit thrown at me with, like, my boundary, I want, like, Bo sitting right next to me. Yeah.

[Lauren]

Because it basically, it essentially, it deflects what the person is saying, and it just makes it all about their tone.

[Christine]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And so instead of actually talking about what they're talking about, you're now talking about the fact that they're, you know, talking to you in a certain way.

[Christine]

And how you will not put up with that. You will not accept that.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Christine]

Yeah. So, yes.

[Lauren]

I also will say I did find an interesting parallel, because while I loved that Rachel came to dress defense, I thought this was an amazing moment. She's like, hey, if you cannot be real with your friends, like, what's the point of having friends?

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

So I absolutely love that. I also just thought it was interesting because I feel like Rachel and Durie are in a very similar situation where they really want to tell their truth.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

Even if that truth is not necessarily flattering for their ex.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And I think that Rachel kind of feels like, hey, like, she probably came on the show. That's a theory. To get it out there about her ex.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And when she sees Dorit essentially kind of getting in trouble for doing that, I think that she wanted to defend her.

[Christine]

Right. And being made to look bad.

[Lauren]

Yes.

[Christine]

You know, like, oh, you're. You're gonna screw yourself over in this divorce. It's such a bad look. Well, that. To be talking, to be speaking poorly of that. Okay.

[Lauren]

But, well, Kyle says, this actually made me so angry. Kyle goes, you seem so angry and aggressive, and it's not. And she almost says becoming. She says, and it's not. And I swear she's about to say becoming. It's just, like, the most patriarchal.

[Christine]

Gross. Like, it's.

[Lauren]

It's not a good look to be angry as a woman.

[Christine]

Yes. Hostile emotions, because Kyle is stuck in this cool girl.

[Lauren]

I'm not. Pick me.

[Christine]

I'm not that upset.

[Lauren]

I'm.

[Christine]

I'm totally good with my ex. He's not hurting me. I mean, actually, she was vulnerable like, an episode ago, but she really, like, I think she. She needs to be such good friends with Mo that she's willing to just, like, take it all on the chin. And she kind of expects that from the other women. And you know what? I don't think she has any. I don't think she has a lot of compassion for Dorit. I think she, like, believes PK side of the story to some degree.

[Lauren]

And I just feel like it doesn't even matter if you think that he is a good dad with his kids. You know, we've seen the dancing videos on Instagram. We know that there's a charming side to PK if the reality is he is gone most of the time, he's an absentee father. That's what Dreet's saying. So I'd like for Kyle to say, actually, no, he is an active parent in these child. In these children's lives. And this is factually incorrect because if. If it is as Dreet's describing, it's not up for debate that. That PK is not holding up his end of the bargain as a father.

[Christine]

And Kyle is doing it all under this guy's like, I care about you so much. I just don't want you to hurt yourself, you know, and I don't. And it cuts. Dorit does not trust Kyle's intentions here. And you, you can just feel the two of them, it's really not be connected as friends.

[Lauren]

No. And you can feel, I think Dorit really standing up for herself in a way that she really only has in recent seasons. But I thought it was so astute when she made the point, if you actually felt like I was going to be, you know, casting a bad light on PK and it was going to. Going to hurt my marriage. And that was your concern, you would bring this up to me privately. But what you're doing right now, Dorit says what you are doing right. Is going to make this way worse. Yes. Because Kyle is making it a storyline.

[Christine]

Yes. Yeah.

[Lauren]

So she's adding all this extra visibility to the story.

[Christine]

Well, Kyle is sitting down with the brand new housewife when Amanda came over to her house earlier in the season. And then when, you know, on this walk and she is venting about Dorit to the brand new housewife. And that. That's not out of, like, she has no loyalty to Dorit.

[Lauren]

No. And I just think that it's always a bad look when as a housewife, your ally is the new girl.

[Christine]

The new girl.

[Lauren]

Because the new girl will essentially be allies with anyone. She has no friends. So if all of your genuine friends, like, if you suddenly found yourself on the outs, it's not a good look for you and, like, your positions.

[Christine]

No. So, no, I, yeah, I like, live for Dorit standing up for herself. And, you know, it's not a good look when she says, like, she kind of loses her edge and her steam when she says, well, I heard you weren't a cult. You know, like, it's like, oh, we were doing so well, like, holding firm and, you know, like, sticking with what was actually the matter at hand. And then I, you know, Amanda was right. She really was, like, scraping at the bottom of the barrel, like, well, let's talk about your stuff too.

[Lauren]

Well, but I did think that there was something there where it's like, if Amanda is saying that in her 40 years of life, she's never Been talked to like this. I think Dre was just basically saying, I think you've been in pretty intense situations before. If you got it escaped a cold and you're public about that. Yeah, like I didn't think it was the best look. Yeah, I just saw that it was relatively relevant. Yeah, relatively relevant.

[Christine]

Relatively relevant. New segment by Lauren.

[Lauren]

Yeah, exactly. Can we pivot though to a much lighter scene please? Which is visiting Alexia's wedding venue.

[Christine]

I'm just so glad I'm not planning a wedding anymore.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Christine]

Do you not get any like post wedding planning? Just like I'm so glad I'm not having to deal with that anymore. Feelings like I. When I see a wedding planning meeting happening in person and they're talking about budget and haha and like when's the worst cocktail hour gonna happen? Like, I'm just so glad that's. That chapter is done.

[Lauren]

I think it's just really fresh for you. But it's like already it's three years away from me at this point, so I am not as triggered I would say them touring a venue. So I'm sorry you had that experience, Chandler. Anyway, I just found this venue itself to be quite comical.

[Christine]

Well, I think they, they did us a disservice by staying in that like room. The who? Basically the punky bohemian funky room. And I just have to say like that room is dark sided to me. Like I just feel like some, some evil stuff has gone down in that room.

[Lauren]

Well, when you have lots of taxidermied animals but with like, like weird like.

[Christine]

Funky looks to them and then papier.

[Lauren]

Mache statues of animals, like olive green tapestries hanging from the walls, a bunch of purple furniture. It looked like. Honestly, you know what it looked like? It looked like if Johnny Depp lost like basically his entire fortune but still wanted to decorate his house. Yes, that was the aesthetic.

[Christine]

There's a hotel in LA called the Le Petit Ermitage or something and I had to stay there for work. And it is the, it is similar aesthetic.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Funky. I don't even know what, what aesthetic is that? Like dark like sex party bohemian.

[Lauren]

I don't know.

[Christine]

It's. But you don't have to like, don't you feel like there's like a weird like LA sexy angle of it? Yeah, you're right. That I do not like at all. And that is literally the vibe of this hotel that I stayed at.

[Lauren]

Psychedelic Burning Man. Yes.

[Christine]

But like wacko mixed with like steampunk and like, I don't know what's like Beetlejuice. Like something like Beetle.

[Lauren]

Honestly, Beetlejuice was plenty. Yeah, you got enough Beetlejuice?

[Christine]

What's up? Who's like the.

[Lauren]

The filmmaker who makes this anyway? Whatever.

[Christine]

I'm blanking on it. That the hotel I stayed at though, like I literally was staying there for work. That was like what I booked on the corporate card. That was like what we're supposed to stay. But it like the pool was topless until like. Like that was like a. No, it was like just, you know, if you have kids, like the pool is top, is topless. Like 2:00pm and up.

[Lauren]

Wow.

[Christine]

Yeah. And they, I swear like they, they had a cocktail on the menu that was like called. Was like related to an abortion. I don't know, it was like. It was a dark sided place. And anyway, if anyone has been to this hotel, they know what I'm talking about.

[Lauren]

I mean, to go back to Alexa's wedding.

[Christine]

Sorry.

[Lauren]

To Alexia's wedding venue.

[Christine]

You know, the similar vibe.

[Lauren]

That hotel experience sounded traumatized.

[Christine]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And thank you for sharing your lived experience.

[Christine]

Thank you.

[Lauren]

I just found it so comical the idea of Kathy Hilton in that.

[Christine]

You know, when Kyle said, I can already hear like the, the grumbling or the. The issues of people walking up the steps. And I thought about Kathy.

[Lauren]

Well, okay. Also, how funny was Mauricio when he's in the room and he's like, this place is amazing. We're gonna be turning it up all night in here.

[Christine]

That's how you know that like your dad is in a midlife crisis when he also says, you know, talking on DJing is. I've got a lot more time on my hands. Not enough time to save your family, but plenty of time to become a dj. Oh, Lauren, you love a dj. Wouldn't you love to go see DJ Momentum?

[Lauren]

No, because I'm like so grossed out by Mauricio that I would not be able to dance to his beats. Sorry. I do, I do love a DJ experience, but I don't want it to be with Kyle or with Mauricio. And I just find it to be extremely cringe. I'm sorry, not with Kyle. Yeah, Kyle from Summer House and Mauricio from Beverly Hills. Not saying Kyle Richards. If Kyle Richards. Richards was a dj, I would want to go.

[Christine]

Would you go to Meredith Marx's set?

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

It's less cringy, I think, when women are DJs.

[Christine]

Yeah, agreed.

[Lauren]

Honestly, it's all about. It's all about Mauricio's midlife crisis. If he was still a family man and Wanted to be a dj.

[Christine]

I just don't want to believe those intentions were pure.

[Lauren]

Yeah, maybe not.

[Christine]

Yeah, yeah. If I found out that he, like, only DJ'd, like, bat mitzvahs across LA, I'd be like, I love that. Yeah. But if, you know, if, if Momentum needs to be out from, you know, 11 to 4 every, every morning.

[Lauren]

I actually think it'd be so weird if he was just like, I'm a dj, but exclusively for parties.

[Christine]

Well, I don't know. Just more like family friendly affairs.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Christine]

Anyway.

[Lauren]

And they're Jewish. How he disappointed us. We will never stop talking about it.

[Christine]

I mean, the world is. Is getting more wicked.

[Lauren]

We thought we were living in a fallen world. We didn't know actually this world is.

[Christine]

At rock, you guys. We will probably be saying we're living in a fallen world until the day this podcast like, concludes, like, when we take our, like, last breath. Because I don't know, doesn't it. The outlook isn't great.

[Lauren]

I think we need a different. We need a different descriptor for the depths we have sunk to. All right. And also, just to let everyone know for Premium this week, I did get more information on the influencer. We talked about who, you know, might not be who she seems. Okay. I teased that last episode, we got into who that was and the breakdown of some theories and some more information came into our inbox that I'm going to share on Premium. So that will be out on Friday. You guys, thank you so much for listening. Thank you for being pop apostles. Apologies if I sound like I'm totally on the fritz today. I am.

[Christine]

She is.

[Lauren]

I'm in a fugue state. Hopefully I emerge from it. And I. I am praying for all of us. I'm praying for this world. I honestly think I, like, literally need to find Christian.

[Christine]

I honestly am, like, would be stoked for that journey for you, just for your. Your mental piece. So we will, you know, we'll report back on that journey for you.

[Lauren]

We will. Okay. Love you guys. Bye.

[Christine]

Bye.

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[Lauren]

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[Lauren]

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