329: Chatting Love Story | JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette + Taylor's Opalite Music Video, Apple Martin & RHOBH

Summary

Pop Apologists – Episode 329 Summary

Episode Title: Love Story: JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette and Taylor's Opalite Music Video, + Apple Martin Addresses the Bullying Rumors & RHOBH
Date: February 18, 2026
Hosts: Lauren and Chandler
Podcast Description: A podcast by two sisters who care about celebrities as much as their family.

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode, Lauren and Chandler dive deep into the hottest topics circulating in pop culture. The sisters dissect Ryan Murphy’s “Love Story: JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette,” analyze Taylor Swift’s new "Opalite" music video, unpack the Apple Martin bullying rumors, and recap the latest drama on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills (RHOBH). Conversations are candid, witty, and self-aware, peppered with personal anecdotes, pop culture references, and the kind of brutally honest sisterly banter fans adore.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Life Updates & Relationship Realness (03:37–13:20)

• Valentine’s Day Kerfuffles:
  • Lauren shares recent marital tensions with her husband, Kagan, leading up to and during Valentine’s Day, including a humorous debate about e-bikes.
  • Advice for long-term relationships: Sometimes it helps to "just pretend" everything is fine until the tension dissolves.
    • Quote (Lauren, 08:28): “I checked all my authenticity at the door and I pretended like everything was completely fine… It literally was like I had to just kind of pretend like I was over it, and then I got over it. I actually didn’t need to, like, drill down further...”
• Chandler’s Low-Key Valentine’s:
  • Prefers staying home on Valentine’s and gripes about expensive prix fixe menus in New York.
  • “It was cute and fun… then we went and did a very unsexy thing, which is we saw the movie the Testament of Ann Lee, which is really raunchy.” (12:24)

2. Ryan Murphy’s "Love Story: JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette" (17:33–33:45)

• Viewing Experience:
  • Chandler accidentally watched the episodes out of order but found that heightened the drama.
  • Both hosts are impressed by the storytelling, casting (especially JFK Jr.), and ‘90s minimalism, though Lauren gripes about the hair:
    • Quote (Lauren, 20:14): “Her hair highlight is wrong, and it is bugging me... it doesn’t give that just supernatural kind of dirty blonde look.”
• On- and Off-Screen Chemistry:
  • Major focus on Carolyn’s mesmerizing, almost intimidating “game” with JFK Jr.
  • Lauren and Chandler joke about their own lack of mystery and cool girl energy in dating.
    • Quote (Chandler, 24:19): “I’m laying there in a secure relationship, and I’m just like—why the fuck didn’t I play harder to get?”
  • Both critique how TV dramatizes seduction and “game,” making it feel unrelatable but addictive to watch.
• Casting & Aesthetics:
  • Praise for natural looks—“no visible filler”—with a fun reveal that Kennedy’s sister is played by Meryl Streep’s daughter.
    • Quote (Chandler, 31:59): “Ben was like, no one looks like they’ve had plastic surgery.”
  • Lauren loves seeing pre-filler faces in period productions—a refreshing break from modern aesthetics.

3. Taylor Swift’s "Opalite" Music Video (36:23–43:15)

• Swifty Testimonies Are Shaken:
  • The sisters admit the video was a letdown and made them like the song less—something that’s never happened before.
    • Quote (Chandler, 38:35): “Unfortunately, this music video has made me like the song less. And that has never happened to me before.”
  • Lauren shrugs off the controversy, explaining she’s never cared much about the visuals—her fandom is about the music.
• Corniness & Clear Metaphors:
  • The hosts find the metaphors over-literal and “painfully corny,” particularly the cactus and rock representing exes.
    • Quote (Lauren, 41:12): “I just don’t think at this point, Joe Alwyn needs to be painted as basically a big rock—just a piece of dead weight—and Kayla needs to be portrayed as a cactus. It’s just a little much.”
  • Chandler sums up her official statement: “She is having fun. And I love that she is having fun.” (37:07)

4. Apple Martin Bullying Rumor Response (43:31–49:15)

• Rumor Rundown:
  • The rumor: Apple was expelled from Harvard Westlake for bullying—allegedly tied to a "Cartier club."
  • Apple publicly refutes the story, stating she’s never been expelled, especially not for bullying.
    • Quote (Lauren, 44:51): “Hi. I didn’t want to respond, but this narrative is completely false… I have never been expelled from any school, especially not for bullying anyone…”
  • Listeners DM conflicting tea: some say Apple was indeed “asked to leave” (the private school loophole); others insist she’s perfectly nice now.
• The Hosts’ Verdict:
  • Both acknowledge people change, and bullying comes in many forms.
  • Chandler empathizes with Apple, noting the intensified scrutiny as Gwyneth’s daughter.
    • Quote (Chandler, 48:17): “I’m having a moment of empathy and sympathy for her because there’s so much ire for Gwyneth that is then passed on to her unfairly in my opinion.”
  • Lauren finds Apple’s online persona grating, but agrees two things can be true: she can have grown up and be fine now.

5. Pop Culture & Reality TV Lightning Round (51:03–80:14)

• Rumer Willis’ ‘Single Mom’ Claims Mocked:
  • Rumer faces backlash after listing “journaling” and “guitar practice” as single mom struggles.
    • Chandler: “If your to do list is bogged down with journaling, like, you're losing people on the sympathy journey.” (53:16)
    • Lauren: “Journaling is like, what these girls do… I’m with Rumer. I stand with Rumer. I think it is exhausting.” (55:34)
• Kirstin Cavot’s Bikini Paparazzi Stunt:
  • Hosts agree her paparazzi beach shots were suspiciously staged to extend her 15 minutes of fame.
    • Lauren: “This woman is truly doing the most to keep her 15 minutes going, because these photos could not be more staged.” (59:57)
• RHOBH Drama Recap:
  • Journaling at Amanda’s house vs. living it up in the Hamptons—divide in the cast’s fortunes.
  • The Dorit-PK custody dispute is dissected, with Chandler noting how divorce can weaponize kids.
    • Amanda: “It’s kind of like making any commentary on the way someone is handling their divorce… You just don’t talk about certain things like it’s too sensitive.” (71:07)
  • The sisters enjoy Bose’s emerging role as the resident truth-teller, and Amanda’s manifestation speech is ridiculed.
    • Lauren: “Imagine being at dinner with this… She launches into the speech about how her house in Malibu was manifested.” (79:54)
• Other Headlines:
  • Bronwyn Newport is dating a younger model—likely a PR move (62:54).
  • Brooks Nader’s food poisoning ordeal on a private jet prompts airplane horror stories (65:32).

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Memorable Quotes

• Relationship Wisdom:
  • Lauren (08:28): “I checked all my authenticity at the door… I pretended like everything was completely fine and that I was not super bugged… I woke up the next morning feeling a million times better and basically over it.”
• On Playing Cool in Relationships:
  • Chandler (24:19): “Why the fuck didn’t I play harder to get?”
• On the Music Video Letdown:
  • Chandler (38:35): “Unfortunately, this music video has made me like the song less. And that has never happened to me before...”
• On RHOBH Divorce Drama:
  • Amanda (71:07): “You just don’t talk about certain things like it’s too sensitive. You just are supportive...”
• On Relating to Minimalist '90s Style:
  • Lauren (22:18): “I come out every time looking like I work at the bank. I come out looking so banal, I can never nail it.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Valentine’s Day & Relationship Real Talk: 03:37–13:20
• Love Story: JFK Jr. & Carolyn Bessette Discussion: 17:33–33:45
• Taylor Swift's "Opalite" Video Reactions: 36:23–43:15
• Apple Martin Bullying Rumor: 43:31–49:15
• Rumer Willis and Paparazzi Staging: 51:03–61:37
• Bronwyn Newport’s New Romance: 62:34–64:10
• Brooks Nader Food Poisoning on PJ: 65:32–67:32
• RHOBH Recap: 68:40–80:14

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Notable Moments & Tone

• Sisterly Banter: Funny, self-deprecating, and honest throughout—listeners feel like part of the family.
• Unfiltered Takes: Even when unpopular (e.g., critiquing Taylor Swift), the sisters stay true to their opinions.
• Informed but Relatable: The show straddles detailed pop culture analysis and confession-laced, everyday life stories.
• Cultural Commentary: Frequent references to how pop culture depictions influence personal insecurities, relationships, and even wardrobe choices.

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Fans and newcomers will find this episode a perfect blend of current pop culture dissection, relatable life advice, and signature Pop Apologists wit.

Transcript

[Lauren]

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[Amanda]

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[Chandler]

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[Amanda]

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[Lauren]

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[Amanda]

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[Chandler]

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[Amanda]

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[Lauren]

We are back. Chandler. Hello. Another episode of Pop Apologists is upon us on this stunning Tuesday, February 17th. The year of our Lord 2026 as.

[Chandler]

We record it absolutely is February 17th, 2026. Let's get into it. I haven't seen you in a few days. Feels nice. Feels like, you know, a little bit of a shift, a little bit of a break.

[Lauren]

Yeah. So is the energy lighter in your home?

[Chandler]

Well, the energy is always light in my home. But I will say, you know, now that last week is behind us, I feel at ease. You know, at ease soldier, is kind of how I feel.

[Lauren]

Last week was stressful. Last week was really intense. So funny. The weeks where we're posting from any sort of like big event and it kind of looks the most glittering, I think on Instagram are the weeks that are so draining for me, IRL or basically are Nothing like what it appears like.

[Chandler]

I cannot agree more. And, yeah, I mean, it's just.

[Lauren]

It's all very tiring. It's all very tiring.

[Chandler]

And you and I are just really not. We're not strong workers. We're. We're not paying our stock. But alas.

[Lauren]

How was your weekend? How was your Valentine's Day? Okay, so we had a crazy work week last week, and I got up there and it was like a lot of recording and then also just a lot of pop apologist work stuff. And so I was go, go, go. And as you know, and as I talked about on the premium, I just. I alluded to it briefly. There were some kerfuffles between me and my husband, Kagan, while I was away. We had a few days disagreements, and it was just not great timing coming up on Valentine's Day, you know?

[Chandler]

Well, and I think when you're not together and you have a little kerfuffle and, you know, you're in separate places, it can just like stick for longer, you know?

[Lauren]

Yes, yes, exactly. Because you're not like, forced to kind of be around each other and get through it and get past it. You can kind of sit in your feelings more. So anyway, I wanted to share how things concluded in case this is like any lesson for likewise married or just in long monogamous relationships. They're committed to folk who. Listen, I don't know if that sentence made sense, but I'm not going to re. We're not going to redo it.

[Chandler]

Committed to folk who are in long term. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. But I. That was a great, inclusive, you know, caveat. So let's. Let's proceed with what you're about to say.

[Lauren]

So, okay, so he did something that really pissed me off, and I got home and it was nothing crazy, obviously, but it was just. Yeah, it bugged me very much. Bothered me. And so Chandler knows all the crimes. Crimes of Cagnar. And so anyway, long story short, I got home and we talked about it, and, you know, I did not feel like the apology was a 12 out of 10. Okay.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Okay. Actually, this is all news to me. I love it. I love it when you're expecting a 12 out of 10 apology and you don't get a 12 out of 10 apology. It makes things really, really annoying. As if they weren't already to begin with.

[Lauren]

Exactly. We were very clearly at an impasse. Okay. So then the next morning, we have a new kerfuffle. This is more just based on him saying that he's going to get an E bike and ride it around town, and me expressing wild anxiety about this.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

And I did text you and Courtney, and I'm like, you know, I feel a lot of anxiety about Kagan riding a Vespa or an E bike around town. And you guys kind of grounded me in the reality that this is potentially neurotic and insane, which actually did help a lot.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I mean, Ben rides an electric city bike around town as he pleases, so I don't know how. How to feel about that either. I mean, I think there is some. There's a little bit of not neuroticism happening here. Um, but I do think the E bikes do scare me, especially when people aren't always wearing helmets. My husband included.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And then he also wanted to say that our future children, you know, if we have children together, will be riding E bikes, and it's unreasonable to expect that they won't be.

[Chandler]

I mean, would you feel comfortable with them riding an E bike? Like, maybe not crazy comfortable. Would you be okay with it if they were. If they were always wearing a helmet? Like, I feel like I have no control if they're always wearing a helmet.

[Lauren]

I just don't really want them on anything motorized that goes, like, unnaturally fast. Let them, you know what, Let them use their quadriceps. Okay. To get across the earth in a fast manner.

[Chandler]

You know that, like, New York City had, like, the has, like, these E bikes. And do you know that, like, I think Eric Adams made them go a lot slower because they used to go really fast, like, quite powerfully fast, and then they now go slower than they went before because they can go extremely fast.

[Lauren]

Eric and I are absolutely on the same page, unlike Kagan and I about this issue.

[Chandler]

You and Eric love a party scene, love a night out. Love to rub, rub shoulders, rub elbows.

[Lauren]

My favorite Eric Adams quote is, let your haters be your waiters as you sit down at the table of success.

[Chandler]

Now that he's no longer the mayor, he can just be like, a hilarious chapter.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And New York City's New York City glittering history. So, anyway, okay, so basically we had a new disagreement. And that's about, like, as you know, that's kind of like the level of our previous disagreements. I just don't want anyone to think, like, something truly heinous happened. Yeah. And I don't want to be, like, throwing him under the bus. These are all, like. They're all very just, like, G rated disagreements. Yes. Okay, so long story short, I Was pretty still upset as Valentine's Day approached or was here. And I just was like, you know, you need to be true and authentic to yourself. You need to talk about this more. You need to get more to the root of this. Like, you just need to be true to you, true to who you are. Like Mel Robbins to myself.

[Chandler]

I'm dying at you being like, I'm not in the mood to be like, super cutesy and romantic because we're in this fight and dressing that up as like, you just need to be authentic and be true to yourself. Yeah, don't be fake. Don't be fake on Valentine's Day.

[Lauren]

Exactly. But he had this omakase reservation. And I don't know, I just also didn't. I didn't want to put up a huge stink. And so I just went. I got all dressed up, I pretended like things were fine. All these annoyances had really dragged on for a few days, probably too late. And I couldn't really turn the page. And I thought we needed like another long dialogue.

[Amanda]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And anyway, I just pretended like everything was fine. Okay. We went out to.

[Chandler]

So you were not authentic to yourself?

[Lauren]

No, I was not sure to myself.

[Amanda]

I was.

[Lauren]

I checked all my authenticity at the door and I pretended like everything was completely fine and that I was not super bugged. And I had a few cocktails and I gotta tell you, you know what? I woke up the next morning feeling a million times better and basically over it. It literally was like I had to just kind of pretend like I was over it. And then I got over it. I actually didn't need to, like, drill down further, further with them. I didn't need more dialogue. I just needed to like, switch the channel in my brain. And it worked. It literally worked. So anyway, for anyone else in a long term monogamous situation of any gender.

[Chandler]

Agreement. As long as everyone's consenting.

[Lauren]

Exactly. If you are also, you know, working it out with an adult or more, This is, I think, advice for all of us in it for the long haul. Like, just pretend like things are fine. And you know what? They might actually. You might actually just completely get over it.

[Chandler]

Yeah. I think especially, you know, when it comes to those like low to medium, not even medium, those like low level disagreements, sometimes you do just want to be right and you want like almost the personal satisfaction of the other person not groveling, but, you know, potentially wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. And I don't know that that's always the healthiest thing to seek out you know, at the end of every single disagreement, it's, you know, to need it to go so long in your favor.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Because that can make you a little, actually like, a little psychotic to deal with. If every disagreement has to end with the other person, just like you said, just being completely on your side. Like, if that's how all your fights end, you might be a little crazy because they might be dealing with us, you know, with someone that they've got to pretend with to make peace. So. My husband does not pretend. And sometimes I have to. And you know what? It worked out. Ladies and men and all kinds.

[Chandler]

And all kinds. And everyone in relationships or of any type of situation where everyone's consenting, I have to share something that I. I don't know, maybe I've shared this with you, but I think what.

[Lauren]

It's got you a red roses for Valentine's Day.

[Chandler]

I think this might be interesting to you and to the listeners, but Ben filled our entire home with Rosie and diamonds jewelry and. And roses. Um, yeah, okay. No, the room was not filled with diamonds and roses or rose. Um, I just feel like those things should be all, you know, grouped together in like a housewives tagline.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chandler]

Valentine's Day in New York is so weird because it's already impossible to get a reservation on, like a normal weekend, normal holiday, normal day.

[Lauren]

Excuse me.

[Chandler]

And then in New York, it's always like a prefix menu, which is just like the worst. I think I hate, like, a prefix menu.

[Lauren]

I think most people would agree, you know, they bemoan the prefix. It's expensive. It's never like everything you want. It's always like a weird scallop situation at the beginning.

[Chandler]

Exactly. It's always a weird fish. And like, I. I am growing up and eating more fish than I ever have in my entire life. But, like, it's. Yeah. Anyway, more on that later. But, yeah, so can't wait for that. Yeah. So every restaurant is like a weird prefix menu that's super expensive. And it's like, I want to go to a restaurant that I like to eat at and eat the things that I like to eat there. Not like now the choices are only these new things. So we actually ended up going out to dinner the night before Valentine's Day. And then on Valentine's Day, we were just low key. Stayed home, then made a steak, gorgeous for the two of us, and we split a bottle of wine, which was very, you know, out of the ordinary for us because we just don't really drink at home together. We both of us drink, obviously, but we don't drink at home when it's just the two of us. And it was really.

[Lauren]

It was.

[Chandler]

It was cute and fun. And then we went and did a very unsexy thing which is we saw the movie the Testament of Ann Lee, which is really raunchy.

[Lauren]

Oh, it is raunchy.

[Chandler]

I mean, is it raunchy? I mean, let's talk about, like, Wuthering Heights is raunchy. I mean, there is. There is sex in it, but it's not. Not in the way that, you know, you would think you'd want to see something sexy on Valentine's Day.

[Lauren]

Did you like the Testament of Vanley?

[Chandler]

I did. I really like it. I thought it was really good. It's not a movie that I'm gonna reach for, I think. I don't think I need to see it again. But I. I think it's fascinating also. Just like, with our Mormon upbringing, you know, knowing it's like, similar time period is like, you know, the origins of Mormonism. I mean, Amanda Seyfried is so good in it. She's just, like, truly an exceptional actress. And you have kind of ruined her for me, though, because all I could think about while I was watching was, like, her affair. I mean, so thanks.

[Lauren]

I will say, obviously, I have no firsthand knowledge. It's just about putting timelines together. Just about putting the puzzle pieces together. But you know what? I think that if she couldn't suspend your disbelief with her acting, that's really on Amanda.

[Chandler]

I mean, she could. I just, like, every time I was caught up in how good she was, I was like, well, it's just too bad because, you know, like, she doesn't believe in the sanctity of marriage. I mean, all.

[Lauren]

All of Hollywood is corrupt. So I would just check your expectations of virtuous actors and actresses at the door. Chandler.

[Chandler]

It's true. Do you. Do you know very much about the Shakers also?

[Lauren]

No, I don't know very much about it. And I saw the trailer, and it looks good, but it was one of those movies where I'm just like, am I gonna be, you know, gritting my teeth through this? Oh, like, is this gonna feel like a movie that is so artistic and the way it's done is so important that it's just kind of insufferable to watch? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

[Chandler]

I know those. I know those. The movies that you're talking about, it's definitely not that. It's just, like, a movie about, like, a Fundamentalist religion. And like, you know, spoiler, the shakers don't believe in sex. Or like, she kind of brings about that doctrine of like. Okay, now actually, we need to take it all a step further. And no sex between husband and wife. No nothing. Like, we need to give up all of the evils of the flesh, I believe is what she calls it. It kind of sounds like a phrase we'd use on the podcast.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Honestly, the evils of the flesh I think that Amanda is probably acquainted with, sadly. And so maybe the. This, this film and acting as an Lee is some sort of personal exercise.

[Chandler]

I guess so. But yeah, I think, I think you actually should watch it because I think you would enjoy it. It's not super dark or, you know, hard to get through in any way.

[Lauren]

Well, thank you for that report, Chandler. I will definitely look into it. Anything else from your weekend you want to share?

[Chandler]

Well, I want to talk about Love Story.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

First and foremost, because I think that's. That's what I spent the weekend doing was watching that show and I just, I kind of can't wait. We'll get to these other topics after, but I just want to talk about that first, if that is okay with you.

[Lauren]

No, let's absolutely talk about it.

[Amanda]

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[Amanda]

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[Lauren]

So I've only watched the first episode. Have you finished all three that are out right now?

[Chandler]

The short answer to your question is yes, but the long answer is that we had a terrible blunder in that we watched the episodes all out of order.

[Amanda]

What?

[Chandler]

I know, I don't know if like you're using my Hulu. Someone else is on my Hulu. It's fine. You know, we, we share, we liberally share our streaming accounts. You know, we're a family. But we ended up watching the. So there's three episodes that are out, everybody. This is the love story, Carolyn Bessette, JFK junior Show, Ryan Murphy show. We watched the third episode first and I'm familiar with the story, obviously, so I'm like, okay, so they just kind of start a little bit ahead and then we're going to work our way backwards. Great. Right? Not a problem. And I'm like, I can understand art. I'm like, I can, you know, I can suspend some need for a, like a linear story. So anyway, we watched the third episode and then by the time we got to the second episode, we were just like, wow, they're really like kind of doubling down on this like going back thing. And. And then we're like, oh, fuck. So then we finally watched the first episode yesterday. So yes, Lauren, I have watched it all, but I watched it in the complete wrong order. But what I will say is maybe this was actually like divine intervention because it kind of gave like the most incredible, like scintillating buildup for Carolyn Bissett and JFK Jr. Because in my experience, I didn't see them actually interact until, like, like, their very. Their first encounter until I'd watched, you know, the other episodes. So, like, I was so primed and ready for their first moment at that party. It was so good.

[Lauren]

Okay, wait, I'm so confused. So in this. In episodes two and three, they don't interact?

[Chandler]

Sorry. They do interact, but, like, it's a little bit more fraught. It's not like, as. Like, I don't know. It's like, it's different. And I don't want to spoil anything for you, but, like, it's not.

[Lauren]

Their relationship is not as hot and heavy.

[Chandler]

It's not the same.

[Lauren]

It's not the same.

[Amanda]

And then.

[Chandler]

And then. I can't believe, like, the first episode. Once again, the first episode, slash third episode that I watched begins, like, literally with, like, her getting her nails done before she goes to, like, get on a plane with him and her sister.

[Lauren]

And she says that shade of red is going to be too bold for this life she's supposed to lead.

[Chandler]

If people can't tell from the tenor of my voice, I'm loving it. I was really, like, kind of like, I had low expectations given the screen test, given that everything we saw. And I am just. The music. Like, I think he is so perfect. He's so handsome. I think I need to have Ben start blow drying his hair. Like, I am just. I'm so in it. I'm so into the two of them. I do have some issues with her particular curl of her hair.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

But I'm into it. I'm into it. So, anyway, tell me how. How are you feeling?

[Lauren]

Okay. I have a lot of thoughts. I'm just going to go one by one. I find that her hair highlight is wrong, and it is bugging me. There's too much contrast. It's too heavily highlighted in the front in certain scenes. And then it's too dark otherwise. Like, it doesn't give that, like, just supernatural kind of dirty blonde look. It looks highlighted, and that bothers me. And I know exactly what you're talking about. Like, the wave of her. Ha. It looks done.

[Chandler]

It doesn't look effortless.

[Lauren]

And that's what they're. You know, Carolyn Bessette, her big thing was 90s minimalist, effortless. That was. She was the queen of that. And so I definitely think that they did not quite nail either of those things.

[Chandler]

Okay, let's just go back to the curl of her hair. It absolutely looks Fresh from, like a half inch barrel curler. And that is completely wrong. Also, like, the curl at times starts like halfway down her head, which I think is a terrible look. Like, I feel like that's just giving like the worst parts of, I don't know, dated fashion.

[Lauren]

Be careful, tread lightly, you know, whatever.

[Chandler]

Cancel me. But yeah, like, her hair is kind of like flat and straight and then the curl begins halfway down in a way with those like tighter curls that I don't think looks good. And yes, she really could have used a root lift. She could have used a gloss or like a glaze.

[Lauren]

Literally, she needed a toner to kind of blend everything.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Yes. But the clothes are working for me. And I thought the clothes were not going to work for me.

[Lauren]

Yeah, the clothes look good. I will say the clothes absolutely look good. I would caution everyone before trying the clothes at home because I have tried many times. I have tried so many times to nail this look.

[Chandler]

Which look? Which one?

[Lauren]

Just the minimalist, classic, low key, you know, 90s silhouettes that are just very understated. Cool. Okay. I come out every time looking like I work at the bank. I come out looking so banal, I can never nail it. So I wish all of you luck as you try to nail the Carolyn Bessette look. But I have just fallen on that sword too many times.

[Chandler]

Just.

[Lauren]

No, it's too, too tall of a mountain for these, for these legs to climb.

[Chandler]

I don't have the face or the figure for black slacks. Like a pedal pusher slack. Like, I just. It's just, it's not gonna work for me.

[Amanda]

It's.

[Lauren]

The problem with those outfits was just like corduroy pants and a white button down. It's like, yeah, gfl, girl, gfl with that being a really hot look on you, okay? Because none of that is helping anyone. None of it's helping anyone. So you better be so hot naked that it doesn't matter what you put on your body, because the hotness will seep through the corduroy and the white button down. And that's an eternal gospel truth that all women know is correct. Okay. Because those, those clothing are doing no heavy lifting. The hair, not Also not helping.

[Chandler]

No, it's. It's true. It. Yeah, the clothes are really not. Not the, the deal closer, in my opinion.

[Lauren]

Wait.

[Chandler]

But it's still so much better than that screen test that we saw where her hair was that icy, icy blonde and there was that three quarter length camel coat. You know what I'm talking about, don't you?

[Lauren]

I Do know what you're talking about. But she did have different, like, hair moments. She was platinum for a time. She did have a time when she was sandy blonde. And I feel like with that, I actually found the platinum look to be more, like, true than I found this look.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

But I also haven't seen the platinum look on the screen because I've only seen episode one where she has, like, the sandy blonde hair when she's super young.

[Chandler]

I will say in the very beginning of episode one, her. Her hair is the most blonde that we've seen. Okay. But I have another thing to say about it. Okay.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

I had something kind of dark wash.

[Lauren]

Over me while we were watching.

[Chandler]

I know. Everyone brace yourself. I'm watching these episodes. I guess you haven't watched episodes two or three, but, you know, you see more of their interactions and her just her general cool, like, confident, kind of amazed vibe. Can I just say what I don't beat me to it because I have.

[Lauren]

So much to say about this.

[Chandler]

I'm laying there with. With my husband. I'm laying there in a secure relationship, and I'm just like, why the fuck didn't I play harder to get?

[Lauren]

Okay. This really me. This really, really bothered me. Why? Because you were just like. I mean, well, I just felt the end of that.

[Chandler]

Well, I think I said to Ben, I was like, I gave it all away. I was just like. I. I retroactively felt ashamed that I wasn't like, well, yeah, we'll see. Like, I just. I was just kind of like, wow, I should have played a lot more games and been, like, way less, like, excited when you came around.

[Lauren]

Okay. There's truly so much to say here. I do think that would have made Ben's experience in your early relationship more exciting. So you did drop the ball. I agree.

[Chandler]

He looked at me like a crazy person, but I was. When I was visibly kind of annoyed with myself.

[Lauren]

But, yeah, I think that this type of, like, interaction and style when speaking and kind of vibe, it only works on TV and in movies. Yes. Because I actually. So I wrote down. I literally wrote down, I wish they made her have a little less game. She's so incredibly smooth and seductive. It feels very unrealistic and highly unrelatable because I was not like that whatsoever with Kagan. Like, when, okay, he shows up to their first date that he has asked her on, and he is late.

[Chandler]

She's 20 minutes late, 30 minutes late, maybe.

[Lauren]

She basically just walks away like he can never speak to her again.

[Amanda]

You made me wait for 20 minutes.

[Lauren]

She's just like so icy. And any normal girl that. That happens to. And by the way, you know who's coming? The son of John F. Kennedy. Okay, Jackie O's son is coming to take you to dinner. He's 20 minutes late. You are absolutely not just going to completely storm off. Okay? You might be like, oh, you know, that was kind of like, little late.

[Chandler]

Not a good sign.

[Lauren]

What other red flags do we got coming? JFK Junior. You need to work on that.

[Chandler]

Your 90s Delilah voice.

[Lauren]

What other things do I got to work on Junior? Or do I got to look out for Junior?

[Chandler]

Anyway, I just felt like Junior wise, the idea of his nickname being Junior makes him so much less odd. Junior.

[Lauren]

Well, you know what? Okay, another scene that bothered me.

[Chandler]

Wait, wait, no, no. I have more to.

[Lauren]

I want to say something because I'm continuing my thought.

[Chandler]

Well, I. I know, but if I let you just continue your thought, the episode will end without me saying anything else.

[Lauren]

Okay, fine.

[Chandler]

What before, like, even before the date, when she has her first interaction with him at the.

[Lauren]

This.

[Chandler]

In the sexy red haze of that Calvin Klein, you know, party, whatever, and he asked for her number and she says, you know where I work. Ask a section. Oh, I'm sorry. JFK Jr. Is asking for your number. Like, I'm sorry. It's not like. It's not like he's sending you an unsolicited, like, pic of some sort. Like, he's just like, asking for your number and you're like, nah. Nope. That's when I lost it personally.

[Lauren]

So I guess there is a rumor that she did this. So this could be an urban legend or she could actually have had this much game. But I find it so hard to believe and unrelatable. And I kind of wish just watching this, I do think he's super hot and I love his character. I just wish they had made him have a little more game and just made him a little bit more smooth and then made her a little more insecure. Like, that would have made me feel like I could relate. Truly.

[Chandler]

No, I. I understand completely where you're coming from. This is why I had a crisis. Because I was just like, this was never me.

[Lauren]

No, never.

[Chandler]

Never. On my best days. On my never. On my hottest best days was never me. But yeah, he. I mean, he's just honestly really hot. Like, I find this actor to be respectfully really hot. He's.

[Lauren]

He's absolutely very cute. I agree with that for sure.

[Chandler]

You find him to be like 12 out of 10 hot, right?

[Lauren]

I find him to be 10 out of 10. I wouldn't say 12 out of 10.

[Chandler]

Or you're like Liam Neeson 12 out of 10.

[Lauren]

I'm sorry. I would love for you to look at Paul. Pictures of Paul Newman.

[Chandler]

And he's used Marlon Brando, Warren Beatty.

[Lauren]

Okay, no. So there's another moment when he's at the Calvin Klein store, you know, and he's pursuing her before she's agreed to a date. And this is when, you know, after she's basically said, like, you can come. You know, ask reception for my number. And so he comes to Calvin Klein. He comes into the showroom where she's working, and he basically is like, what else can I do to see you? And she's like, swipe your credit card. That, like, that's what you do. Like, yeah, exactly. Have you noticed she has, like, a lot of. She has a lot of mouth situations happening? Like, she acts with her mouth in, like, a very overt way. That, again, I just find to be extremely intimidating, and I just could have never moved my mouth like that.

[Chandler]

No. Enroll me in an acting class because I would like to experience what that. What that's like.

[Lauren]

You never will. You'll never experience it, and I never will either, because it's not natural. No, I don't think any girl has that much game or is. I mean, I'm sure. Sure there's someone out there, but there's.

[Chandler]

Somebody, you know, in some type of situation. No, I agree with you that, like, she does have a ton of game. And it's honestly, like, it is unbelievable to watch. But, yeah, I mean, maybe that's what makes the show so good, is that it's like she's kind of like a character I feel like we. We don't see super often now in, like, shows. Like, I feel like we see, like, quirky girl. Quirky, lovable. You know, Like, I feel like she's kind of like a type of character that's not, like, in a lot of films anymore or, like, tv.

[Lauren]

I really need Carol Rodzwill to weigh in because I just need to know if this is how she behaved with men, and this is what she was.

[Chandler]

Like in all seriousness, like, rip. Such a. You know, such a tragic, like, fate for these people. I don't think anyone's going to weigh in on whether or not she had that much game. Someone's gonna be like, well, actually, she didn't have that much game. Like, I knew her in real life. I think it's just like, let's just let her memory be that she was this incredibly stunning, captivating minx.

[Lauren]

I think enough time has passed and I would love to know if this is true. Okay. Or if this is a fantasy that has been created.

[Chandler]

Okay. Moving on, though, to another part of it, if I may.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

What do you think about, like, any other parts of the. What do you think about, like, the casting for his sister and like, his mom, Jackie O? Like, any other thoughts there?

[Lauren]

I wish Jackie O had a little more vibe. I have such an attachment to Jackie O as a fashion icon and figure in our history. And so it a little bit bums me out that her entire presence seems to be that of, like, suffocating mother.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

But anyway, no, I find it to be really, really, really fun. It's fun to see New York in that era. It's fun to see people in that era. One thing that I love about this show is that no one has a fake looking face. So. So there's no visible filler in sight. Everyone looks so natural. And so it doesn't take me out of the moment. Like, I swear I've seen some period films in recent days where the lead.

[Chandler]

Actress has very visible lip filler.

[Lauren]

And it just. It really makes it difficult to get into the story. And I just feel like Ryan Murphy, they. The way that they cast everyone and the aesthetic discipline, it keeps you in the moment in a really nice way.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I agree. Actually, Ben commented on that. Ben was like, no one looks like they've had, like, plastic surgery. Do you know the woman who plays Carolyn Kennedy, Caroline Kennedy, is Meryl Streep's daughter. You know that?

[Lauren]

You know what is so crazy is I've kept looking at her and being like, that's Meryl Streep. Like, that is Meryl Streep. And then I did not know that. That's wild.

[Chandler]

Oh, you didn't. You didn't even look it up. So this.

[Lauren]

No.

[Chandler]

So excited that I could tell you that. Yeah.

[Lauren]

But I was like, she needs to play young Meryl Streep because that is Meryl Streep. Insane.

[Chandler]

I've actually seen her in real life a couple of times. I feel like she's a celebrity I've seen around. Anyway, I'm loving the show. I cannot wait for the next episode. And because you haven't seen episodes two and three, I'm not going to get into Daryl Hannah. But, yeah, maybe. Maybe you can watch the episodes two and three. We can chat about it for.

[Lauren]

Yeah. On premium. The other thing I want to say about this show is I feel like when it comes to JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette, I personally just had their photos in my head. I didn't really have their love story. I knew that she was a partier and that they were on the rocks when they, you know, did tragically pass. But I, I didn't really have like their interpersonal romance narrative in my brain. And so it's really fun to see it portrayed. Like, I didn't know how much I needed this.

[Chandler]

I know. No, I completely agree. I guess too, there's not a lot of videos with her voice in it, I guess that the public has. She never really did interviews or anything like that because I kind of wanted to look up to see how. What she sounded like.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I know.

[Chandler]

There's just obviously a very, like, deep fascination there. But yeah, everyone go watch it. I mean, I, I'm not necessarily a fan of all Ryan Murphy's work, but this is, this is great. This is like tickling me in the best way.

[Lauren]

Okay. Speaking of work that could tickle you in the best way, I do think we need to talk about the OP Light music video because we, we are remiss, Chandler, for not getting it.

[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

I Woke up to 30 messages, all of them with invisible ink in our group chat about this music video. And I don't think it would be hyperbole to say that some members of our chat may be on the brink of losing their Taylor testimony.

[Chandler]

Well, we can't speak for everybody, but like, this was not a testimony strengthening music video.

[Lauren]

No. Okay, so this music video I feel like people are very disappointed by in our group chat. I went online, everyone seems to love it. So I am a little panicked to give this take because, you know, I do feel like the Swifties can come after you.

[Chandler]

I completely agree, which is why I have my statement already prepared.

[Lauren]

Oh, great. Please read it. Please, please, please.

[Chandler]

Okay. She is having fun. And I love that she is having fun.

[Lauren]

That's it. That's the statement. That's it. Okay. Gorgeous. Thank you so much, Chandler. That really painted a picture for everyone as to where you stand.

[Chandler]

That's. That is all I can say about this publicly at this time.

[Lauren]

I want to say that this is not giving me the dark night of the Swifty Soul. And I didn't have that written down. I just, you know, just came to me.

[Chandler]

Okay, what does that mean exactly?

[Lauren]

I am not contending with this music video in my fandom because I never really cared about her music videos to begin with. It was always about the music to me, never her visual talents. The music videos have always generally, I would say, presented some challenges. Like if you remember the all too well 10 minute version video, there have been quite a few videos that have not slapped. And so the videos don't really matter to me, truly. And whether one is bad or good, it's not going to greatly impact my identity as a Taylor Swift fan. So it's. It's fine. It is what it is. I can tell you a fact that I'm taking deep solace.

[Chandler]

Well.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

Well, now I feel like I need a response, and I'm not going to restate my statement, even though that is really the only thing I want to say comfortably about this. But I do want to say, I do have, I guess, a few more thoughts about the music video before you move on.

[Lauren]

Okay. Please share.

[Chandler]

Unfortunately, this music video has made me like the song less.

[Lauren]

Yeah, same.

[Chandler]

And that has never happened to me before with a music video that you know of hers. Even though I don't love all of hers like that. That has never happened to me personally.

[Lauren]

Here's the problem.

[Chandler]

So that's what I'm like. That's what I'm contending with personally. That's the dark night of the soul that I am currently in.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I think. Here's the issue.

[Lauren]

When you have a song that itself is maybe a tiny bit corny. Okay, bleep.

[Chandler]

Can we BLEEP that?

[Lauren]

You can't have a corny music video. You got to get the song out of the cornfield.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And you got to make it cooler with the video. And I think this is the problem. Taylor right now is in her lover era 2.0. Okay? This is her Lover album to Trappy. Is her in love music always the best. No, it's not. Okay. But we got some fun jams out of Lover the album. We got some fun jams out of Life of a Showgirl. And I guarantee you, good things are on the horizon. There's no way the honeymoon phase is lasting forever. So, everyone, it's fine.

[Amanda]

Fine.

[Lauren]

It's going to be completely fine.

[Chandler]

Something I thought about is that this is Travis's song, Right. This song is about him.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Can you imagine if this is the music video representation of your song?

[Lauren]

Well, and you as a couple.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

And yeah, like, you make yourselves look so dorky.

[Chandler]

Maybe she sees, like, the fate of Ophelia also as that. I mean, I guess it is too, but yeah, it's really not my style. But once again, I love that she's having fun.

[Lauren]

Like, I just love the idea of being like, you know what I want to do? I want to portray us as if, you know, we have been single for 30 years and we found each other on match.com. okay. We were the last option on Earth. That's about the level of, like, game and coolness. I want people to, you know, think we had by watching this video.

[Chandler]

And it's not even about. To me, it's not even about, like, Opalite. What I thought it was kind of. I don't know, I just kind of imagine more of a psychedelic turquoise music video.

[Lauren]

Yeah. And I. I also. I felt like the metaphors were so literal and, like, painfully literal. And I just don't think at this point, Joe Allen needs to be painted as a. Basically a big rock. A big, just, you know, piece of dead weight Chan. And then Kayla needs to be portrayed as a cactus. It's just a little much.

[Chandler]

You're saying that literally the objects that they are holding in the music video, her and Ed Helms are, like, representations of their exes.

[Lauren]

This is literally where you are, like. This is like you being, like, the dows of 50,000.

[Chandler]

Okay.

[Lauren]

That's how delusional and psycho you sound right now. Do it.

[Chandler]

I don't know. That's just like, that. That's crazy to me if that's true. If that was, like, an intentional choice, that's crazy.

[Lauren]

This is you being, like, on part of the press team when they ask if they're going to arrest any of the men who were part of, like, on the list, who, you know, spit it out to the women. I forget what the exact phrase was. Or, like, are you going to arrest any men who sexually assaulted the women and girls? Is what the. What the reporter asked, and he said, I disagree with that. You know, I. I don't even know what that means. He said, I don't even know what that means. That is you right now.

[Chandler]

It's not funny, but I am just laughing at this the way I'm being. The way I'm being challenged.

[Lauren]

You're Pam Bondi for the Opalite music video.

[Chandler]

Just because I don't totally find that the rock is 100% a representation of Joe Alwyn and the cactus is 100% a representation of Travis's ex girlfriend. So, you guys, this is why you didn't want our thoughts on this. You shouldn't have asked and you didn't want him.

[Lauren]

Chandler, she literally says he's in a relationship with a cactus and getting hurt every day. Those are her words in the extended version. Oh, my gosh. Which I guess you, you know, didn't watch.

[Chandler]

I watched some of it, but honestly, it was. I started to watch some of the behind the scenes, but it was. It was hurting my testimony, so I turned it off.

[Lauren]

And then she says no polite. So I guess it's like the. The anti opalite. She says no polite is for people who want to choose to be unhealed. So she's basically saying Maddie and Joe and Kayla all choose to be unhealed. And she says opalite is for people who want to choose a path that serves them. It's heavy handed. It is.

[Chandler]

Guys, I'll say it again. You did not want our thoughts on this, but we. We gave them nonetheless.

[Lauren]

So we did.

[Chandler]

We didn't. And it's not even just for the elites. So anyway, we'll see. We'll see if we still have a podcast next week.

[Lauren]

Seriously, we'll see.

[Chandler]

We'll see. Okay.

[Lauren]

Okay, let's get into other matters. There's truly a lot to get into.

[Chandler]

I know there is. What. What do you want to discuss next?

[Lauren]

Okay, well, let's just quickly talk about Apple Martin weighing in on the rumors and nastiness online that she was expelled for bullying. Yes. So there's been a narrative out there that Apple Martin that she and her ragtag team of NEPA lady friends. I actually don't know if it was her with other people, but I assume it was. The rumor is that she bullied someone, I believe, for something really, actually shallow too. Okay.

[Chandler]

But you don't have any information? Oh, yeah.

[Lauren]

Basically her and her friends had a Cartier club and this girl wasn't in it. This is literally hearsay from the Internet. And the rumor was that she was expelled from Harvard Westlake. Okay. For bullying. And that the girl that she bullied was taken to a place on the mental brink. That was the rumor online.

[Chandler]

Yes.

[Lauren]

So someone must have commented alluding to this rumor on her Instagram because she responded and she said hi. I didn't want to respond, but this narrative is completely false and has gotten so out of hand. I have never been expelled from any school, especially not for bullying anyone. I completely understand people not liking me and that is okay. The Internet is a place where people can share their opinions. But this rumor is completely untrue. I'm not the type of person and anyone who is close to me knows.

[Chandler]

That she's spoken out. I'm kind of shocked that she, like, addressed this head on, basically.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I am shocked as well. And someone. So someone wrote in and they said, any expensive private school is going to give you the option to leave of your own accord rather than getting, quote, kicked out and it's not called expulsion when it's from a private school. They phrase it as not inviting the student to return. So she's lying by omission. Here is what someone said. So another person DM'd, and they say, I know for a fact she was expelled for bullying and had to move to Crossroads in her last year.

[Amanda]

Technically, she was probably allowed to leave.

[Lauren]

Rather than getting officially expelled. But then a third person DM'd, and they said she lives in Nashville, goes to Vanderbilt, and she comes to a bar my best friend works at, and everyone loves her. She's great and normal.

[Chandler]

Well, you can be great and normal and also have, like, you know, done something horrible as a teenager.

[Lauren]

Yeah, exactly. Like Apple Martin could be lovely now and been a total asshole as a senior in high school. Two truths can be true at once.

[Chandler]

So true. So true.

[Lauren]

The truth of two truths today. I apologize.

[Chandler]

Whatever the truth. So that's a throwback. Yeah. I don't think we'll ever know truly what happened. I'm sure that. I'm sure that something did happen. I think I am skeptical. Like, maybe it wasn't. Maybe it wasn't the situation that we heard that, you know, the hearsay situation. I do also believe that bullying is a spectrum. And, you know, there is awful, awful bullying, and then there's also mean girl behavior that is just common for that age. That is not excusable, but it's just like something that all teens do. I do think it is pretty crazy for her to say, I was not expelled. I. I think that almost like, leads me to believe this, that she says, like, I was not. I don't know. You're right.

[Lauren]

It's like such an interesting thing to say. I was not expelled from any school, especially not for bullying anyone. It's like she's doubling down on this. Almost like the semantics. It's not really about the exact narrative. It's really just about whether she was expelled.

[Chandler]

Yeah. And I do know that, like, you know in Amy Odell's book about Gwyneth, like, Gwyneth was a mean girl at Spence.

[Lauren]

I mean, was she, though? Because when I read it, I did not get that impression. It just seemed like she was self. It just seemed like she was, like, confident and not necessarily that bothered by rules, but it didn't seem like she was potentially mean.

[Chandler]

I don't know, maybe there were just classmates who interpreted that as mean. All. All I'm saying is I think people conflate sometimes Apple with. With Gwyneth and just kind of Ascribe this, like, terrible Nepo baby narrative onto her, especially after, like, that video of her at that debutante ball or whatever, you know? You know what? If you're. If you. If you have mean girl rumors, you know, I just skip the debutante shit. I just think that's not a good look. I think you should just kind of like, just do something else. The. The. The debutante ball is just really. It's almost like part of the Disneyland narrator or the Disney narrative about a mean girl. Yeah.

[Lauren]

And I also think that her online presence does not help this at all either. Like, she just comes across as kind of odious online. And every video I've seen of her, she's just seemed, like, extremely obnoxious. And I don't know. I don't know if it's just her aesthetic or if it's just me. I'm just jealous. I'm sure it's part of it, but that's where I'm at.

[Chandler]

I think I'm just, like, I'm. I'm having a moment of empathy and sympathy for her because maybe I just was, you know, researching this and saying just terrible comments about her. There's so much ire for Gwyneth that I feel like is then passed on to her unfairly, in my opinion, to some degree.

[Lauren]

See, Gwyneth just comes across as so much more likable to me.

[Chandler]

Yeah, but. But the people who hate Gwyneth and who are always going to hate her, I think also are always going to hate Apple. And she's just also like a literal teenage girl, basically. She's still, you know, so young. I don't know. I don't know why. I'm just. I'm being her defense attorney right now.

[Lauren]

No, I like it.

[Chandler]

I think I also saw a video where she posted recently about how she had really bad acne. I don't know. And if you've ever had really bad acne, like, your heart goes out to them. Yes. Someone who had bad acne, I'm like, okay.

[Lauren]

You know, she's also had, like, struggles. She's human.

[Chandler]

She's human. She's human. And I. I hope that this story is really not true. And if it is true, I hope she's, like, really done some intensive therapy and made amends, but absolutely. Probably not really.

[Lauren]

Quick update in the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping. Moving on from Apple. Martin. The update is really. There's no update, Chandler. So we're two weeks into this, and this is the big headline today. Someone knows who kidnapped Nancy Guthrie.

[Chandler]

According to Authorities.

[Lauren]

So I saw that, and I was like, oh, my gosh.

[Chandler]

What?

[Lauren]

They're onto something. Yeah, someone knows who kidnapped Nancy Guthrie. That's what authorities said. You ready for the quote? This is according to Chris Nanos, the sheriff of Pima County. I believe somebody out there knows who this is. I believe somebody out there can look at that video and go, I know exactly who that is. And that's what our plea is to our community. If you go back in history, look at cases like the Unabomber, they were found out because somebody in the community, Somebody, a family member, a neighbor called and said, I think I know who did this. So they're now literally just like, hey, can everyone look at the video? That's where we're out in this investigation.

[Chandler]

I mean, we were there almost a week ago when this video first came out, where they were like, can everyone look at this video and see if, you know, you notice anything?

[Lauren]

So that's even worse. We've gone nowhere in a week.

[Chandler]

I mean, I think they found a glove, and that glove had DNA on it that they were able to process. But, yeah, we. We are no closer, it seems, to finding out who did this and to, you know, bringing justice.

[Lauren]

It's amazing. They had DNA on the glove, so that is good. But they said that doesn't match anyone in the national database, so it's not exactly helping ATM at the moment. I don't know why I needed to.

[Chandler]

Give an acronym, but you are always using new acronyms like the gfl. Like, no one amount. No one else in my life uses gfl. No one else in my life uses, like, lilas.

[Lauren]

I love how you lilas.

[Chandler]

And you also. Yeah. The ATM is the only one that you. You're the only person who uses that, too.

[Lauren]

Well, Chandler, atm, I'd like to move on.

[Chandler]

Okay, well, what do you want to talk about next? You want to talk about Rumer Willis?

[Lauren]

Yeah, let's talk about her.

[Chandler]

Okay, so Bruce Willis and Demi Moore's daughter, Rumer Willis insisted. Okay, everybody, via Instagram, that she is not receiving any financial help from her parents while she's raising her daughter Louetta, and that, you know, she's a single mom and she has her hands full. And she also said that she works four jobs. Okay.

[Lauren]

Yeah. She posted a video of herself, and it says, single moms be like. And then it's a. You know, she's in the video, and then around her are all these things that single moms have on their minds. So, like, there's laundry, meal prepping, bath Time, songwriting, songwriting, um, journaling, guitar practice, working out, play dates, hanging out with friends, planning after school activities, sleep, drinking water, dating, filming content, taking dogs for a walk. So she got blasted in the comments, I think, with a lot of people, you know, saying she's an EPO baby who probably gets money from her parents, and she has no idea what it's like to be a single mom. I'm the wrong person to ask to pile on Rumor Willis this week. Okay. I did have a thought when lacroix was delivered at my driveway as I was bringing it in that this was too much to bear.

[Chandler]

Like, it just felt like too, like.

[Lauren]

Too much work in, like a breathless way, like, breathtakingly crushing, bringing in all that Roy. And so I. I'm with Rumor. And honestly, I actually think modern life, even though it's so much easier than pre modern life, historic life, life as.

[Chandler]

A hunter, gatherer, out of your depth. You're. You're starting to become out of your depth. You're getting out of your depth.

[Lauren]

I don't care if we didn't used to have dishwashers or laundry machines. I don't know how. I don't know how humans of yesteryear did it, but I don't care to know because it's still exhausting. It's still exhausting staying on top of all of that and cooking, cleaning, also needing to make money in the modern economy. It's too much for anyone. And I don't care if it's a first world problem. I'm sorry. I'm just telling everyone my truth.

[Chandler]

Yeah, I disagree here. I'm sure she's busy and I'm sure she's tired.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Chandler]

I think she lost me when the thing that was on her list, her to do list, as she calls it, was journaling. Okay, if your to do list is bogged down with journaling, like, you're losing people on in the sympathy journey.

[Lauren]

Guitar practice is also not exactly helping.

[Chandler]

Like, even guitar practice, that could be like, with her kid or something.

[Lauren]

Yeah, journaling.

[Chandler]

Journaling's the first thing to go, even in happy times.

[Lauren]

Yeah, but I think journaling is like, if you are someone who's wanting to work on yourself and, you know, not just scroll away your life. Journaling is like, what these girls do.

[Chandler]

I know. I'm just saying, like, you can't complain.

[Lauren]

About being too busy.

[Chandler]

Like, being so bogged down and so exhausted from all the time you're trying to find to journal. No, I don't journal. That shit is so embarrassing. I've I've completely given up on it. And I've never been happier.

[Amanda]

No.

[Lauren]

And can I tell you, anytime I do go back and read thoughts, I did put pen to paper to immortalize. I'm so sorry I ever did. It's always so embarrassing. It's nothing that anyone should be able to read. Like, thank goodness. Like, I'm so afraid of neuralink.

[Chandler]

What's neuralink, you weirdo?

[Lauren]

Okay, well, Chandler, Neuralink is Elon Musk project that essentially allows people to, like, it's a lot.

[Chandler]

Is it like a black mirror thing?

[Lauren]

No, it's. It, like, helps people use their brain to communicate with their limbs when they are quadriplegics.

[Chandler]

Okay, okay, so why are you so afraid of it?

[Lauren]

I'm afraid of it because there's one where it allows you to, like, think, and then what you think appears on the screen for people who can't talk anymore. And it's like, I don't want what I'm thinking to be able to be seen by other people. Like, it's. It's good that thoughts are just in my brain.

[Chandler]

I mean, it would just be like a bunch of, like, you know, paranoid scenes about E bikes.

[Lauren]

That's true. That's true. Okay.

[Chandler]

Anyway, long story short, neural link.

[Lauren]

I love how I went to this tangent on neuralink. Journaling.

[Chandler]

Because you hate journaling.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I'll wind you. I'll rewind it for you.

[Lauren]

I'm with rumor. I stand with rumor. I think that all of these seem like things that probably the modern single mom does want to try to do. Have a hobby, learn an instrument, self actualize with a journal. Even though she'll think it's embarrassing later when she reads it back. And it's exhausting. I think it's. It is exhausting. I feel her pain.

[Chandler]

No doubt she's tired. And honestly, if you're a single mom who's rich, if you're a single mom who's not rich, you're more tired than, I don't know, non single moms. Is that crazy to say? Am I gonna offend people?

[Amanda]

I don't know.

[Lauren]

Maybe.

[Chandler]

Here I go.

[Lauren]

Yeah, well, I think we should just move on.

[Chandler]

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[Lauren]

Do you want to get into the Coldplay? Remember the CEO? Not the CEO. She was, like, the marketing woman.

[Chandler]

Kristin Cabot. What's her name? Kristin Cabot, the household name.

[Lauren]

The former HR executive thrust into the public eye last year at a Cold Pig concert, Chandler was spotted enjoying Miami's warm ocean waves in a striking blue bikini over the weekend. This is according to tmz. Mm. I saw this, and I just thought, wow, this woman is truly doing the most to keep her 15 minutes going, because these photos could not be more staged.

[Chandler]

I just have to know, like, how this went down. These photos are absolutely 100% staged. And now I just want to know the logistics. Did TMZ get, you know, these images sent to their inbox? Is she calling TMZ and saying, you can come get a picture of me. I'm gonna be here. Like, what's the. What's the chain of events? I'm dying to know.

[Lauren]

According to this article, she is the keynote speaker at a crisis PR convention coming up. I just think this is her new career is like, is crisis PR and what to do if something goes, you know, dreadfully wrong. And she's trying to kind of make lemonade out of lemons or whatever and capitalize on. On this crisis. And this is all to kind of promote, I guess, her brand, because I absolutely believe, in my opinion, that that backgrid, who or whoever, whatever agency took these photos could not care less about Kristin Cabot. I don't think they have any value on the market. So I think that she probably paid one of these agencies to have the photos taken or she just sends the photos. I mean, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Because the way that they're shot, it's literally like the. The photographer is in the water.

[Chandler]

Yeah. Like, this could have been just like, a friend sending photos.

[Lauren]

You see the sand behind her. It's not like you see water behind her. With the paparazzi is clearly on the beach or somewhere on dry land. It's like the paparazzi, they're really interested in getting this shot in flattering lighting because they went, you know, they made sure. She was backlit. So everything's in the shadows. That's the. Always the best for a thirst trap.

[Chandler]

Everyone, I just want to know.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Could we, like, submit our photos?

[Lauren]

No, because I think we'd have to pay. I think she. Her team probably paid for the article too, right?

[Chandler]

Yeah, you got to pay to play. I don't know why I would actually want any bikini photos of me in on tmz. I guess, unless it had been, you know, taken straight from my Instagram grid.

[Lauren]

It's not a terrible idea to stage some, like, paparazzi bikini shots. Like, we should see how much that would actually cost to submit them. And just like the pop apologist spotted in Tulum.

[Chandler]

I know. I mean, I just feel like TMZ's gotta have, like, bills to pay. They gotta need to keep the lights on.

[Lauren]

Maybe we offer it to them because then. Chandler, get this. Imagine, imagine. Just imagine. Somehow your ex sees. It's like, oh, my gosh. Chandler, Chandler Bledsoe.

[Chandler]

Chandler frolicking around one island.

[Lauren]

These celebs.

[Chandler]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, let's not rule it out.

[Lauren]

Speaking of someone who is not making her ex very happy. Okay. Who's pouring salt into a wound. Bronwyn Newport is moving right along. So she is dating model BRANDON Good. He's 32, eight years for junior.

[Chandler]

Source says.

[Lauren]

They'Ve been seeing each other for a few weeks. It's new, but they're enjoying getting to know one another. Bronwyn is very happy. She also posted a photo of them almost kissing. And she said, look at who is finally back from shooting a big campaign in LA and making Fashion Week worth it. So he came to visit her while she's at Fashion Week. There's also a video of her stepping out of a restaurant. It looks like with Rihanna.

[Chandler]

Mm.

[Lauren]

So Bronwyn is living her best life.

[Chandler]

I also believe this is a PR relationship.

[Lauren]

Mm.

[Chandler]

But I'm happy about it. Like, I think this is good for both of their careers. Yeah.

[Lauren]

I think this is, to me, just doesn't seem like so super transactional and more just seems like a Bachelor Nation relationship where it's good for him to have some sort of notoriety. She obviously finds it. I'm sure he's attracted to her. She's beautiful. You know, he is hot. It's fun for her to be seen with a young hot guy after being, you know, attached to Todd and right for so long. I mean, someone do a wellness check on Todd. I know he's got to be at a very low point like this. It would be not fun for anyone to see.

[Chandler]

I'm sure he's just, you know, looking at lingerie photos on the iPad or something.

[Lauren]

He's just in that living room in Salt Lake City that looks like it's, I don't know, like a psychedelic Willy Wonka modern.

[Chandler]

Literally. It's Floop's house from Spy Kids.

[Lauren]

Yeah, exactly. And he is just. I don't know. Where was I going with that? He is one.

[Chandler]

I don't know. I. I mean, maybe he's sipping out of one of the Starbucks mugs that he collects.

[Lauren]

Oh, no, he's. This is what I was gonna say. He's. He's saying, why. Why did I eat that cherry? It could all be so different. Anyway. Okay, well, speaking of people not having a good time like Todd, Brooks Nader got food poisoning. Chandler on her private jet. Or on a private jet en route to her lavish 29th birthday celebration in Saint Barts. Okay. So on Sunday, Brooks Nader had fans worried when she reshared on Instagram story a photo of her where she could be seen wrapped in a blanket on the floor of her private jet. And it said, food poisoning 1 Brooksie 0. So this is what her sister Sarah Jane had captioned it. So she looked very ill on the PJ from the bad sushi she ate. I guess she was restored to full health and had a gorgeous birthday experience in St. Bart's she probably, you know, felt even more snatched after the food poisoning. Can you say that?

[Chandler]

The exact same thought, literally. God's timing.

[Lauren]

Yeah, exactly. No, the only thing that I thought about when I saw this is. Is like, speaking of getting ill on a flight. So when I was in South Africa, a friend who landed was like, my plane. We were two hours into our flight here, and someone got really sick. And the plane turned around.

[Chandler]

Oh, my gosh.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And I was like, oh, my gosh. I'm so sorry. You know?

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Lauren]

And this is when I knew this person was a much better person than me. Because they were like, you know, thank goodness the person was okay. And we were, you know, we were just, like, on our way.

[Chandler]

We.

[Lauren]

After we got back to New York, it was a couple more hours, and then we were on our way again.

[Chandler]

I was just like, wow, that is a good person. A much better person than you, for sure. But getting food poisoning on a flight is one of my intrusive thoughts. It's a regular nightmare. I have not. I'm not actually dreaming that, but I think about that all the time. I think about, okay, if I were to get food poisoning literally right this second. I mean, this, you know, 48J.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Like, and I am. And I am in the bathroom, like, just trying to stay alive. Like, if I'm. I'm holding on for dear life. Like, I just. I think about that all the time. So. Thank God she was on a pj.

[Lauren]

Getting super sick on a flight is terrible. And I can tell you that I've had that experience firsthand. When I came back from India, I was really unwell and I think I went to the restroom, I don't know, once every two minutes. It felt like, because I had, you know, a certain situation going on. It is horrific. I can tell you firsthand. But, yeah, I just. Can you imagine being two hours into a 16 hour flight and you're going, no, New York. Sorry.

[Chandler]

I'm sorry.

[Lauren]

I do have to have a moment of a moment for those people, knowing that that person was okay. Like, there was other suffering occurring. Like, also, all the people that are already xanaxed out, they're three glasses deep, they also got a valium inside them. I don't recommend it. Not a good idea. But a lot of people do it.

[Chandler]

If somebody's like, actively throwing up on a flight, that's like a biohazard. Like, I, as someone who has been on a flight where there has been throw up, unfortunately, in the.

[Lauren]

In the.

[Chandler]

I've never heard of this ether. Like, I had. I was on a flight where somebody threw up, I think multiple times. And you could smell it. And that, Lauren, that now that was hell. Like, being stuck and delayed with travel sucks. But, like, those flight attendants, they do what they can, but it is. It's brutal.

[Lauren]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Chandler]

And so I think it's like, it's not safe for them to, like, just allow this person to like, continue to get, you know, sicker and sicker.

[Lauren]

And I'm not saying that they should have challenges.

[Chandler]

They should just literally stick them in the galley.

[Lauren]

You can get help when we get to Cape town. You got 14 hours to go GFL. Oh, my gosh. Okay, well, let's move on from flight travails. Two different kind of tribulations. So we had the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, a new episode grace our screens, and we finally saw Mo sit down with Dorit. Okay, this was, I think, a great. Another great episode.

[Chandler]

Yes, I loved it. I love seeing the women in the Hamptons. Love seeing the women who stayed in la. Lots to say here. Lots happened.

[Lauren]

You gotta feel bad for half of the cast when one half of the Cast is hanging out with Donna Karan in the Hamptons. The other half is being forced to do a journal exercise at Amanda's house. Oh, my gosh.

[Chandler]

I mean, where do you. Where do we want to begin? Because I've. Let's go back to journaling and how I don't believe in it.

[Lauren]

Erica was so funny when she's like, I should be in the Hamptons right now manifesting billions. Instead, I'm at Kyle's old house at the Money Queen. Matt.

[Chandler]

All of their comments about the. The welcome mat that said money queen co. Money Queen Co. Was so funny. Like, when. When Boz was like, this is a billboard that says nouveau riche. I have arrived. It was so funny.

[Lauren]

No Boses absolutely becoming, I would say Amanda's number one hater on the show, and I'm just kind of loving every second of it.

[Chandler]

I know I'm eating it up.

[Lauren]

Yeah, she's.

[Chandler]

Bose is earning her. Her keep. You know, she knows that she needs to kind of, like, moving things along while the other women are out of town. You know, she's like, and would you have invited Dorit if she would have been here?

[Lauren]

Yes, totally. I feel like Bose is absolutely giving a little bit of, like, Bethany slash Carol energy, like, tycoon vibes from Bethany, but also, like, tell it like it is Carol Bethany vibes, which I like.

[Chandler]

Yes, Agreed. Okay, let's just talk about the fact that Amanda has them all, you know, sit down and journal something they'd like to manifest. She also gives them a signed copy of her book, which I really thought was pretty tacky.

[Lauren]

Yeah, yeah. The signed copy was not helping matters.

[Chandler]

It's just, like, I just don't really want to go over to my friend's house and journal, and I do think what they were saying about, like, having to do it in front of other people, like, feels weird. It's really awkward.

[Lauren]

It's really, really awkward.

[Chandler]

Okay, though. Let's get into what they talk about, though, at this little journaling lunch. Basically, you know, Sutton says to Amanda, you know, you just kind of deflect it and. And made it Kyle's problem. And then Kyle and Dorit got into it. You didn't say, like, hey, I had this opinion about, you know, the way you spoke about your marriage. And Amanda is just. She's very taken aback.

[Lauren]

She says, you're in my home.

[Chandler]

Don't call me a wimp.

[Amanda]

I mean, I just feel like when it comes to. First of all, I think Sutton's absolutely right here, and I think that you know, I get if Amanda thinks, well, that's such a nothing burger. Like, it's so obvious that her talking about this on TV is going to be bad for their divorce. So it's not like she's saying something that's so egregious. I just think that it's. It's kind of like making any commentary on the way someone is handling their divorce. It's just not going to be received well, especially it's negative commentary. Like, you just don't talk about certain things like it's too sensitive. You just are supportive. You let people make their decisions, and you don't weigh in critically on their. On how they're handling their divorce.

[Chandler]

And then maybe you don't double down.

[Amanda]

Well, especially as a new friend.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

100. Who barely knows, like, the people involved. Seems like Kyle is kind of learning that lesson because she. She's like, you know, dorit just wants a yes man around right now, and I can't really be that.

[Lauren]

What did you think about that comment?

[Amanda]

Well, I just think that obviously her and Dorit are just at such a bad place in their relationship that it makes sense to me that she can't just be a yes man to Dorit because she barely likes to read right now.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

So she's just kind of treading water in this relationship. And I think she's just more Team Mauricio slash pk. Like, she sees their side. And I think that this was not a good episode for Dorit because when Dorit sits down with Mauricio, like, moving to that, I found that meeting to really put some holes in Dorit's case against PK that I think are going to be hard for her to patch up.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

Because she basically says, you know, I want him to see the kids. And he says, you know, I've. I've seen text messages, like, where he's asked to see the kids. And she says, well, he's never. He never asked to see the kids.

[Amanda]

She says, mo, I want him to see the kids. And he has never texted asking to see the kids.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And Mo says, I've seen your text messages. I've seen him asking for a schedule. I've seen him asking to see the kids. So it's like, okay, well, the text messages exist. He either did or he didn't. One person here is just outright lying. And I think Dorit should have said, dorit, if she was telling the truth, she would have said, show them to me.

[Lauren]

Really?

[Amanda]

Because I've never seen him text that once.

[Lauren]

No, but she didn't.

[Amanda]

No, she was just like, PK can create a narrative. Like, she goes after PK and, like, this weird, cagey way.

[Chandler]

Well, then she also brings up the drinking. She's. She kind of has this, like, trump card of, like, well, he, you know, he's drinking again.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

You know, and it's kind of like, well, he can't be trusted at all because he's drinking again.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

And it's like, well, he didn't stop drinking for nothing. He stopped drinking because he had a big drinking problem. And I don't know, there's a part of me that's like, that could be true. I also think it could be true, though. And maybe this is crazy, but I. I think it could be true that some people do take a break from alcohol, and it's really good for their mental health and they feel great, but they didn't actually. They were never alcoholics. And if they decide that that break is over, it doesn't mean that they're.

[Lauren]

Now going back to alcoholism.

[Amanda]

And I actually just don't know which camp PK's in.

[Chandler]

Right. Yeah, I think that a lot. Do you agree? Yeah, I mean, I, I. I never saw PK have crazy alcoholic behavior, I guess.

[Lauren]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

I don't know.

[Lauren]

You know, James Kennedy.

[Chandler]

Right. Right. I feel like so much of this is really tied up in the money situation that's happening here, and it's like, maybe, like, the kids are being used as, like, a pawn and all of this, where it's like, access to them is being limited because money is not being freed up. I don't know. Like, I just. I don't think this is all about the kids. I think this. A lot of this has to do with, like, the way that, like, the money is being handled in this divorce. That's my kind of, like, my guess.

[Amanda]

Well, yeah, And I think that kids obviously get used as a pawn when it comes to just, I think, emotionally, like, in a divorce, sadly, this can happen, you know, where one parent kind of isolates the kids from the other parent and makes it difficult to see the kids, or another parent is kind of not a very present parent. And divorce reveals that they don't actually care about being around their kids that much. Like, things happen. I don't know what's going on here. I don't know if Dorit is getting sole custody because PK is in London all the time partying, or if she's going after sole custody because she wants as much child support as possible. I think most likely the former, to be honest.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

To be honest, I really was. I don't know why acronyms are crucial to me today, but I. I kind of think the. The former just given the fact that PK was always traveling, even in their marriage, and he talked about. What a phenomenal present. Mom. She.

[Lauren]

She didn't even want them to go to school.

[Amanda]

She wanted them to be homeschooled.

[Chandler]

Yeah.

[Amanda]

That's not the vibes of a mom who's, like, checked out.

[Chandler]

I agree. So I agree. One last thing here about the Dorit and Kyle thing.

[Amanda]

Yeah.

[Chandler]

They have a moment where they're looking across from each other at the table and they're laughing, and they're like, we've. It's like we've never been out before. We're loving this, like, Hampton's night. And it was like. It was kind of sad because I was just like, these two women know how to be, like, great friends and, like, know how to have a great time together. And it makes me sad that they're in this place. I mean.

[Lauren]

Two thoughts.

[Amanda]

One, it was very sad seeing, like, the montage of them having great times. And I do hope they can get back to it, because they really were great friends. And I don't know, there's just something about seeing, like, female besties in their 40s and 50s.

[Lauren]

It's just, like, fun to watch.

[Amanda]

And it was heartwarming.

[Lauren]

I don't know.

[Amanda]

Like, that chapter of life just seems so, like, you can relate on such a deeper level, I feel like, than maybe in your 20s and 30s having been through more life. I don't know. I loved seeing them pal around two. I just, like, I need to know Dorit's. Whoever she goes to is, like, truly.

[Lauren]

Has the magic potion because.

[Amanda]

Wow.

[Chandler]

What do you mean? Like, her.

[Lauren]

Like, her glow up has been spectacular.

[Chandler]

I know. I know.

[Amanda]

It should be studied, actually.

[Chandler]

She's. Yeah, she's beyond.

[Amanda]

I thought it was so funny when Rachel was going on a rant about Roger, and she, like, cloaked it under the guise of.

[Lauren]

There's an epidemic of insecure men between.

[Amanda]

40 and 55 who, because they're married.

[Lauren]

To someone who is successful and they're.

[Amanda]

Not where they want to be at in life. Maybe it's in a money perspective or some type of success. And, you know, these men, you look at them and you think, you're not who I fell in love with for the first 25 years of life together. I see through you, and I don't respect you anymore, Dick.

[Lauren]

Okay.

[Amanda]

And then Kyle's like she's speaking generally, she's speaking about this in general, this.

[Lauren]

Epidemic, not about anyone specifically.

[Chandler]

It was so good.

[Lauren]

Oh, so really so good.

[Amanda]

Yeah. Loving the season.

[Chandler]

Loving it. I mean the mid season trailer too. Like we've, we've got a lot more in store.

[Lauren]

Yeah, yeah.

[Amanda]

Cannot wait. And I honestly, I love the entire cast. Amanda, she provides an amazing foil. She really brings out the best in.

[Lauren]

A lot of these cast members.

[Amanda]

She brings out their wit.

[Lauren]

She's just like a perfect person for.

[Amanda]

Them to roll their eyes at and react to. And it's so much more interesting than, honestly, like I will say I'm not, I am not missing like previous dramas or certain cast members. Like, I think this is a good cast.

[Chandler]

It's a perfect cast in my opinion. And I, I wonder if Amanda will rejoin because, and I'm just curious to see what happens with her throughout the season because it's like we can't just bash on her for the whole season. You know, like things need to happen. I want to see, like, I want to see some character development there.

[Lauren]

Yeah, I, I do too.

[Amanda]

Well, Chandler, I do think that you.

[Lauren]

Should, you should remember as you're freezing.

[Amanda]

In New York City, you know that it's because you didn't manifest a three story house in Malibu with dolphins swimming in the background. Just remember that.

[Chandler]

Lauren, I like avoided bringing that up because I'm just like, I feel like I'm hating on Amanda so much. She's like, when I was a kid I had a Barbie book, a Malibu Barbie book. And it's not lost on me that Barbie had three story house where she could see the dolphins in a convertible. And then she like gets choked up and she's like. And so when I was living in Malibu and I realized that I could see the dolphins from my house, like I, I'm doing a terrible job of retelling it because it.

[Amanda]

Yeah, girl.

[Lauren]

I think that it works so well.

[Amanda]

On the show because it's so entertaining to watch and to kind of hate.

[Lauren]

But imagine being at dinner with this.

[Amanda]

And she's like, she launches into the speech about how her house in Malibu was manifested.

[Lauren]

Yeah, shut up.

[Chandler]

Literally like, girl, the world is like on fire. I don't know. It's just like that I had a moment literally while I was watching that where I was just like, these women live in a different reality.

[Amanda]

I mean, Amanda does, that's for sure. But she manifested it so. And you know when you're freezing, that was clearly your manifestation.

[Chandler]

I manifested this.

[Lauren]

Exactly.

[Amanda]

You manifested this February in. In Brooklyn Hellscape. You're. You're living in.

[Chandler]

Oh my gosh. Okay. Well everyone, thank you for listening. Thank you for being a pop apologist. We love you and we will be back with another episode on Friday for global elites.

[Lauren]

Love you guys so much.

[Amanda]

Thanks for listening.

[Lauren]

Bye Bye.

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