Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers

Summary

Podcast Summary: Pop Apologists - "Revisiting David Foster’s Lovers"

Release Date: November 27, 2024

Hosts: Lauren (Speaker A) and Chandler (Speaker B)

Overview: In this compelling episode of Pop Apologists, sisters Lauren and Chandler delve deep into the personal and professional life of renowned music producer David Foster. Skipping the usual new content, they revisit their extensive archive to present a thorough examination of David Foster’s relationships, particularly focusing on his marriages, the impact on his family, and his public persona. The hosts provide an unfiltered and critical perspective, enriched with personal insights and notable quotes from interviews and media appearances.

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1. Introduction

Lauren and Chandler introduce the episode by explaining their decision to highlight past episodes during the holiday weeks. They set the stage for a critical analysis of David Foster, emphasizing their intent to explore his “crimes against women” rather than his professional accolades.

[00:24] B: "There's quite a catalog and we need to resurface some of our best work."

2. David Foster: A Brief Biography

The hosts provide a succinct biography of David Foster, covering his Canadian origins, impressive Grammy accolades, and collaborations with numerous high-profile artists.

[07:13] B: "David Foster was born in November in Canada. Did you know he was Canadian?"

Foster's extensive work with artists like Celine Dion, Andrea Bocelli, and Josh Groban is highlighted, establishing his significant influence in the music industry.

3. Marriages and Family Dynamics

David Foster's personal life is a focal point, particularly his five marriages and the resulting complex family tree. The hosts outline his relationships and children, both biological and stepchildren, emphasizing the turbulence and emotional strain within the family.

[09:22] A: "Or is he like this. He is like this."

They discuss his children from various marriages, including Allison Jones, Amy Foster, Sarah, Aaron, Jordan, and Ren, as well as his stepchildren Brandon and Brody Jenner, and the Hadid siblings Gigi, Bella, and Anwar.

4. Impact on His Children

Lauren and Chandler explore the profound emotional and financial impact David Foster's actions have had on his children. They cite Sarah Foster’s reflections on her father's favoritism towards his stepchildren, leading to feelings of neglect and resentment.

[21:03] A: "Well, first of all, they hate Yolanda."

The hosts discuss how Foster's behavior, particularly his tendency to “run” from problematic relationships, has left lasting scars on his daughters, contributing to their struggles with trust and relationships.

5. Yolanda Hadid and Reality TV

Focusing on Foster's marriage to Yolanda Hadid, the hosts examine how reality TV participation affected their relationship. They critique Foster's apparent lack of empathy during Yolanda's battle with Lyme disease, suggesting that his primary concern was the impact on his lifestyle rather than Yolanda’s wellbeing.

[32:18] A: "But he's just kind of always known that he was into her and wants her."

[33:42] C: "You know, I don't think she was faking Lyme disease."

The hosts debate the authenticity of Yolanda’s illness and its role in their eventual divorce, highlighting differing perspectives within the family regarding Yolanda's health struggles.

6. Relationship with Katherine McPhee

Lauren and Chandler analyze Foster’s relationship with Katherine McPhee, noting the significant age gap and the power dynamics involved. They express discomfort with the mentorship-turned-romantic relationship, questioning the ethical implications of such a union.

[36:21] B: "It's gross to me, the fact that he kind of always was into her and made it known to her."

[44:16] B: "Like, here's the thing. These are consenting adults. People are allowed to do whatever they want."

The hosts discuss how this relationship further exemplifies Foster's pattern of prioritizing his desires over the emotional wellbeing of his partners.

7. Public Image and Controversies

The episode scrutinizes Foster’s public persona, contrasting his professional success with his personal shortcomings. The hosts highlight instances where Foster’s comments reflect a disrespectful attitude towards women, reinforcing negative perceptions.

[36:14] C: "We met 17, almost 18 years ago when I was a little chubby and cheerful contestant on American Idol."

[36:26] B: "You were fat."

Lauren condemns Foster’s public remarks about Katherine’s past appearance, arguing that it showcases his disrespectful and objectifying behavior towards women.

8. Conclusion

Lauren and Chandler wrap up the episode by reiterating their critical stance on David Foster’s personal life, emphasizing the lasting negative effects on his family. They express a desire to uncover more truths about Foster’s relationships and the internal family dynamics that remain hidden from the public eye.

[50:30] A: "This was Chandler, the deep dive, the walkthrough I really needed of David Foster and the women and children he left for other women."

[50:30] B: "Thank you so much for leading us through it. So interesting."

The hosts affirm their commitment to truth-telling and hint at future discussions to further explore unresolved aspects of Foster’s life and relationships.

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Notable Quotes:

• Chandler: "I think this Reddit comment is pretty astute. It says, David likes young, flawless women..." [35:16]

• Lauren: "He actually has zero interest sticking with someone during the hard times. I mean, that's saying that when things get tough, you're gone. That's insane." [11:54]

• Sarah Foster: "Our dad was raising other Children. He wasn't raising us, he was raising Brandon and Brody." [21:03]

• Yolanda Hadid (audio clip): "I got sick and, you know, the shell of the woman I used to be." [33:55]

Conclusion: This episode of Pop Apologists presents a detailed and critical examination of David Foster’s personal relationships and their repercussions on his family. Through a combination of factual recounting and incisive commentary, Lauren and Chandler offer listeners an in-depth look at the complexities and controversies surrounding one of Hollywood’s most influential music producers.

Transcript

[A]

Hi, everyone. Well, thank you so much for being here today. Chandler and I. Chandler's sitting right next to me. Say hello.

[B]

Hello.

[A]

We have decided that we are going to give ourselves on the week of Thanksgiving and the week of Christmas a little moment to not be putting out a new episode, but instead to be delighting you with a top episode of our almost 400 plus episodes.

[B]

There's quite a catalog and we need to resurface some of our best work.

[A]

We absolutely do. And for the four years we've been doing the show, almost five, we were like, we never don't put out a new episode. And one of the things we've, you know, noticed is that barely anyone's listening to podcasts on these weeks. Yeah, it's really not something where, like, everyone's listening anyway. And so everyone's just with their families enjoying the holidays. We're just gonna give ourselves the grace to do that as well. We back next week with a brand new, fresh, free episode of Pop Apologists. There will always be an episode on our premium content if you are dying for our fresh takes. We are chatting all about Real Housewives.

[B]

Beverly Hills, Orange County, Donna Kelce starring in not one but two Hallmark movies.

[A]

Ballerina Farm inviting the New York Times into her home. I mean, to be honest, the premium episode this week is very charged. We have a lot to say. So if you are dying for more content, it's always there.

[B]

Enjoy this episode that we're bringing back from the archives.

[A]

Yes. Love you guys.

[B]

Love you.

[A]

There's a TikTok going around which is a clip of David Foster and Katherine McPhee. They're at some sort of concert hall doing a singing event or whatever, and they show her at American Idol and she kind of like makes a reference to her body at that time. She's like, I was a lot chubbier then or I was chubby then. And David Foster goes, you were fat. He literally says you were fat. Yes.

[B]

Well, well, well.

[A]

This is a long awaited day, Chandler, this deep dive we're about to embark on together.

[B]

Yes, Lauren, this is a long awaited, highly contested, demanded deep dive. And I think actually deep dive is the wrong classification. What, what you have joined me in today and what you are, you know, going to witness is actually the trial of David Foster.

[A]

Except we didn't bring a jury. We just brought an executioner.

[B]

There will be no two sides of this argument.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

So, yeah. And I also, I'm just going to start off this by saying that I attempted to re watch the David Foster off The record documentary that we watched years ago. And that's what really, you know, turned us on to how terrible he is. So true. And I couldn't even get through it. I was just planning on having it in the background while I was working, and I could not listen to that man for one more minute, and I had to turn it off.

[A]

So I feel like, just in our own defense, because this feels like such a. Like, why are we doing this? Like, why are we doing a deep dive on David Foster? He's just a music producer. I do feel like the culture has foisted David Foster and his personality and his personal life onto us. Like, in the form of him being on various reality shows. In the form of his documentary on Netflix, the Foster Sisters. It's not like he's just behind the scenes with Celine Dion, you know? No. He's like he steps out into the limelight and exposes his personal life. And I feel like it's worth an examination of what Chandler we've been, what narratives we've been fed and what's really going on behind the scenes.

[B]

Absolutely. And once again, another reason why this isn't a deep dive is because I actually don't care to take you through his professional accomplishments. I'll palp a few notes on those. But this is actually just a deep dive on his crimes against women. And that's it. His accolades and, you know, the way he's produced so many amazing stars cannot absolve him of his crimes.

[A]

One of my favorite things about David Foster is so I listened to World's first podcast, hosted by his daughters, Aaron and Sarah, who I really adore. And one of my favorite things that they've ever said is, like, he just. It was so annoying to them and also to him that he so quickly became Yolanda Hadid's husband or Yolanda Foster's husband or Yolanda Foster's ex husband. Like, he was a guy who's the husband of a real housewife. That really became how he was known across America. And I just find that to be cosmic justice, you know?

[B]

Oh, yes. I mean, by a show of hands, class, who had heard of David Foster until Yolana Hadid stepped out into the real house?

[A]

I've seen until that golden skin, platinum beauty came across our silver screens. Who the dude? We didn't know who David Foster was. I mean, all we knew was we were trying to get, like, the mom driving us home from school to turn off Josh Groban. That's as close. That's as close as we came To David Foster or.

[B]

Or the sister that you shared a Jack and Jill bathroom with who love to sing along to Josh Groban. You love Josh Groban. Let's not. Not pretend. Be honest.

[A]

Play it cool. You know, there was a time, Chandler, when Josh Groban gave me some stirrings. Okay. You raised me up. I felt the spirit.

[B]

Or was he your sexual awakening?

[A]

Yeah. You know what? There was a time, Chandler, when I would think there were stories.

[B]

Have you ever been turned on by Josh Grob?

[A]

Listening to Josh Groban is true.

[B]

Yes, literally. I think I only know knew about Josh Groban. Because you love Josh Groban. I think that's really sweet about you. I think, you know, always had a taste for really, like, annoying stuff like that.

[A]

The thing is, is I think 12, 13. Yes, I had a moment with Josh Groban, but then I quickly came to realize that Josh Groban was pop. Opera pop.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

It wasn't. It wasn't highbrow. Okay. This wasn't. We weren't listening to Aria.

[B]

It was low brow, highbrow.

[A]

It was. Yeah, exactly. It was low. Low brow, highbrow. I very quickly, you know, did away with the Josh Grob in my personal spot. My. My personal Spotify catalog.

[B]

Well, thank goodness, because, you know, it's really proved to help you succeed and get to be the podcaster that you are today. Thank goodness you, you know, only stuck to highbrow stuff since then.

[A]

Yeah, it's so true. Honestly. Thank you, Chandler, for pointing that out.

[B]

You know, in my research and thinking about what I wanted to say today, I realized that if, you know, the stars ever align and, you know, our podcast ever gets up off the ground, we're never going to be able to go on the world's first podcast because we will have done a. A trial and, you know, execution of their father.

[A]

So the thing is, by the time if that happens ever, by the time that happens and we do our big crossover, this episode will be deleted.

[B]

Deleted.

[A]

Negative mention of David Foster will be deleted.

[B]

Deleted.

[A]

We will maybe do a David Foster appreciation episode.

[B]

We will be like, we love Katherine McPhee's music. We're obsessed with Kathryn McPhee.

[A]

Let's walk everyone through the catalog. Okay. From Andrea Bocelli to Celine Dion.

[B]

We're doing a deep dive of the American Idol season with Katherine McPhee.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Just can't get enough.

[A]

Anyway, the crowning achievements of, you know, one of the greatest contributors to American music, David Foster.

[B]

Who happens?

[A]

Yolanda. Yolanda Foster. Before we have to put on that kind of show. We can tell the truth, Chandler, on this podcast.

[B]

Yeah. At least being small means that we can be truth tellers. So let's get into it. I'm going to start with just a little quick bio about who David Foster is, you know, his early life, but it's not. Not super critical. David Foster was born in November in Canada. Did you know he was Canadian?

[A]

I did know he was Canadian. I did not know that he was a fall baby.

[B]

Beautiful. Yeah. Fall baby. Lauren. He's won 16 Grammy awards and had 47 nominations. That's quite a lot. Yeah, you know, I can for sure, I can recognize that. But he then, you know, moved on to being a composer and producer, and he has nearly a hundred hit singles, which.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Also, I can, you know, I can understand that. I can recognize that. So he worked with the likes of Barbra Streisand, Earth, Wind and Fire, Alice Cooper, Rod Stewart, Donna Summer, Olivia Newton John, Celine Dion, Andrea Bocelli. If you don't know who Andrea Bocelli is, he's the man who was able to sing at both of the Kardashian weddings. That's where he got his dream start.

[A]

Pacelli.

[B]

Yeah, just kidding.

[A]

I was like, who is Andrew Bocelli?

[B]

Sorry, Andre. Andrea. Andrea.

[A]

Andrea Bocelli.

[B]

Andre. Andrea Bocelli. Anyway, he's not singing at my wedding. I don't give a fuck how his name is pronounced. Josh Groban. Like we, you know, waxed on about earlier. Toni Braxton, Madonna, Jennifer Lopez, Mary J. Blige, Christina Aguilera, Kenny Rogers, Kenny Loggins, Kenny Garrison, and Michael Blue Blay, who Lauren likes to listen to while she's, you know, having romantic encounters with her husband.

[A]

Oh, yeah, absolutely. We pour some bubbly, we put on a buble, and Kagan knows what time it is. Exactly. Anyway, are you have a live cam into my bedroom?

[B]

I do, actually. I've got a ring camera positioned there. Another big fact about him, and I think this is worth noting because we are truth tellers. His estimated worth is $150 million.

[A]

I can see why the panties started dropping for sure.

[B]

Okay, Lauren. So he has been married five times and is truly at the head of a crazy Hollywood family tree. Like he is connected to through his different marriages and through the children of those marriages and who they've married and blah, blah, blah. He is in a massive family Hollywood family tree. Um, and it's pretty fascinating. And we'll. We'll probably post an image of this with, like, our teaser video or whatever, but so he's a. Because it's worth noting.

[A]

Or is. He is like this.

[B]

He has spawned a lineage of Nepo babies.

[A]

Oh, that's right. Because I don't think he came from, you know, I think he came from humble backgrounds.

[B]

Yeah, humble. And the other interesting thing is that David has all sisters, which I think was another sort of head scratcher, because I think one would think that if you, you know, have all sisters and that, you know, you potentially grow up around women, hopefully know how to treat them. You might respect them, one might think. Let's start by just talking about his children. So he has. He has six children. All right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Allison Jones, who he had when he was in his 20s. She was placed for adoption. Amy Foster, who is from his first marriage to BJ Cook, which we'll get into. Amy is a successful songwriter. She wrote Haven't Met yout Yet and Home by Michael Buble, as well as songs for Destiny's Child, Josh Groban and Andrea Bocelli.

[A]

Andrea Shelley. Impressive. Love it.

[B]

Thank you. I said it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And then he has Sarah, who we know, who's the daughter of Rebecca Dyer, wife number two, Aaron as well. Rebecca Dyer is her mom. And Jordan, who's also the Jordy Foss. Yeah. And then there is Ren, whose mom is Katherine McPhee. Okay, okay. So those are his biological. Those are his biological children. Yes. Oh, right, right, right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay. So. And the stepchildren are Brandon and Brody Jenner from when he was married to Linda Thompson. And also the Hadid children, Gigi, Bella, and Anwar, when he was married to Yolanda.

[A]

And the supermodel Anwar Hadid.

[B]

Are we calling him a supermodel?

[A]

That was the joke.

[B]

I was like, let's let me do the truth telling. Okay.

[A]

Remember how Yolanda was trying to say that, like, Anwar was a major supermodel or just kind of was like, also trying to get his modeling career off the ground.

[B]

Look, that man has got enough going on with his anti vaxx.

[A]

It's a valiant effort by a. You know. Yeah, I'm just. That was seeing the best in her son. Anyway, please.

[B]

Okay, so let's continue. So I think we should mention that David is very open about the. The failings of his marriages. And he. He's described himself as a quote, unquote, runner in the documentary. Yeah, he's admitted that he's out the door as soon as problems arise in his relationships. He said, quote, it's more like, hey, there's a shiny thing over there. This is not working. So it looks A lot better to me over there. End quote.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. I mean, yes. It sounds like this guy just likes to have weddings and likes romance.

[B]

He's obsessed with planning weddings.

[A]

He actually has zero interest sticking with someone during the hard times. I mean, that's saying that when things get tough, you're gone. That's insane. That's an insane thing to say. That's like the opposite of marriage.

[B]

Well, and I think what is gross about that admission, it's like, maybe you could disguise it as, oh, he's self aware. He gets it. He knows he has problems. But I think when you see that someone is now in their 70s and this is just like, who they're. He seems to be at peace with the fact that he's a runner, I suppose. And when asked about his marriage to Katherine McPhee and if he was tired of running, he said, I'm not tired of running. No, no. But I'm very happy where I am.

[A]

Yeah. I think Catherine McPhee is kind of like the Robin to Cody. Okay. Yes. Who kind of came at the tail end and who does everything in her power to make his life perfect. And as long as she doesn't, like, fall ill and no calamity, you know, no calamity befalls them, then I think that they'll proceed.

[B]

Katherine McPhee needs to be dousing herself in bug spray every single day because I swear to God, if a tick lands on her and gives her Lyme.

[A]

Disease, this marriage, it's gone.

[B]

It's over. It's over. It's literally over. What I think, though, this is. Yeah, this actually should be a public warning to her. Please be dousing yourself in off or whatever bug spray.

[A]

You should Amazon some.

[B]

They should do a sponsorship for her. She should be like, she has sponsored for bug spray.

[A]

She really. It's like, my financial future depends on me using this bug spray and not getting Lyme disease, everyone. And so far, it's worked. I'm in brilliant health. I can still dress up and go to all the parties and events. I'm not having to go to doctor's appointments. I still can go on all the vacations as a sport smiling trophy wife. You guys, DEET has really worked for me. So please use my code 10 off. Catherine McKee really should be the spokesperson.

[B]

Literally. What are. Like, there's a brand sponsorship that's so perfect.

[A]

I mean, you. Sorry, I know I'm interrupting. Yeah. But don't you remember that from Yolanda's memoir that she was saying, like, oh, yes, Second, she couldn't be the trope, the smiling trophy wife at all the events, his wingman. He basically just left her in the dust, so.

[B]

Well, we will get to that. Because, I mean, her book, believe me, I just remember reading it on a plane, being torn to pieces by her story and. And mostly by David Foster's treatment of her.

[A]

I think if people have thought they felt the spirit reading the Book of Mormon, they should really try reading, believe me.

[B]

Yeah. Or if you think Josh Groban has done it for you. Yeah, believe me.

[A]

I mean, read, believe me, the lessons this woman has to impart. Gorgeous.

[B]

Gorgeous. What I want to say, though, is to just double click on what you've just said about, you know, what Yolanda wrote about in her book. I think it is less that he is a runner. I think it is more that the minute that he is no longer treated like a king, and like you're saying the minute that he is no longer, like, the home situation is not perfect and he is not the. The king of the house who is just catered to by his wife, it's no longer working for him. He does not view monogamy as, like, as thick and thin, good times and bad times, richer or poor. It is.

[A]

Right.

[B]

How if. If I'm not King David, you know, being served lemon chicken, then this is no longer working for me.

[A]

Well, there's that famous scene in Beverly Hills where Yolanda's like, david is a king in my house. You know, I. And she. They show her making dinner, and she makes almost, I think, like, two of things in case one thing doesn't go well. Like, everything has to be perfect for David. And she's in lingerie cooking.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, yeah.

[B]

A lot of other women corroborate this tale, so. So let's get into it.

[A]

Can I tell you what I found in my couch the other day?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Please.

[C]

I'm not.

[B]

I don't know. I'm prepared for the answer, but please.

[A]

A can of Clear Protein by Clean Simple Eats. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

It was literally behind our drink.

[A]

It was a brand new can. That is how much Clean Simple Eats Clear protein is a part of my life. It's literally in my furniture. I just have it with me at all times. Okay. I find it in coat pockets.

[B]

Lauren's literally, like, just in case I can't leave my sectional today, I need to have sustenance.

[A]

Well, also, by the way, I doordashed it to Courtney's house when she was staying with me. Then I ordered It, I had it shipped when I was going to be staying with her. A few weeks later, I got to her home. I looked in the fridge. Lo and behold, there was already ample, clean, simple eats clear protein inside. And she goes, let's not make too big of a dent in that this time, okay? Honestly, Courtney has turned on to this. She is hooked. We are hooked. The clear protein, it is so good. It tastes like a juice. It just tastes like a light, refreshing beverage. You don't have to get your kitchen messy. It's the best way to get in. Grass fed, clean protein in a convenient way.

[B]

It's a genius product. Everyone go to cleansimpleats.com use our code popapologists for 10% off. That's clean, simple eats.com use the code pop apologist for 10% off. His first marriage, marriage number one was to musician BJ Cook. She was his bandmate in Skylark, your favorite band. And both David and BJ had already had one daughter each, if you'll remember. He had Allison Foster from a previous relationship, and together they had Amy. And Amy is the one who has written those Michael Blue Blay songs. They were together for a long time until he split with her. And there does seem to be some overlap with his relationship with Rebecca Dyer, who is the mother of Sarah Jordan and Aaron. For example, Sarah was born in 1981 and they didn't officially split up, him and BJ until 1981. Some overlap.

[A]

Oh, wow. To create a baby, that's a little bit of a conflict. So Rebecca was potentially the other woman for his first marriage or definitely was.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's so interesting. Yeah. I mean, obviously I haven't heard the girls talk about that on the pod and I hear a lot about Rebecca. And Rebecca just seems fantastic.

[B]

She seems fantastic.

[A]

Yeah. One thing that I love about Rebecca, she talks a lot about how plant medicine has like completely changed her life. Really.

[B]

Sarah.

[A]

Sarah Foster is like very anti. Doing any sort of drugs is like so barely drinks, is very straight laced. So she just kind of said that, like growing up around all these like rich kids who were doing all these doing stuff, it was just so unattractive to her and she didn't want to be like that. And so she never, she barely drank ever anyway, didn't party. So she said it was like so jarring and alarming to her when her mom was suddenly like in her 60s going to these like people's homes and like doing plant medicine. She's like, you're going to people's houses doing drugs, but what's interesting about it is she talks about how her mom before her experience with plant medicine or her experiences was really like there was a lot of negativity surrounding David like a ton. And it just created so much ire within their family. Right, right, right. And uncomfort she said, you know, she didn't want to be around them all that stuff. A lot of, a lot of negativity. Rebecca didn't want to be around Kat and David. And then I guess post plant medicine Rebecca is like so enlightened. She said that it was almost like jarring for everyone else how relaxed and cool with everything and like healed she had become. Where like she describes one thing where I guess David and Kat showed up on Rebecca's doorstep and Rebecca had like where hair was in rollers and she was like, oh, come in. Like sorry, I'm you know, still getting ready. Just like so comfortable in her own skin. Skin. So accepting. So anyway, kind of a cool endorsement of the power of plant medicine everyone.

[B]

And you know what, David Foster should also be schlepping the power of plant medicine because it, you know, it's able to heal his ex wives from the pain that he's caused them.

[A]

David Foster another sponsoring for her ceremonies.

[B]

Yes, absolutely. And I think we should get into why she needed so much healing. Lauren. So Rebecca and David had three daughters. Aaron, Sarah, Jordan. David was absolutely terrible and awful. We don't have very many details, but he left Rebecca for another woman when they had three very young daughters, when all the children were very young. Basically it says that, you know, he was only with Rebecca from 1982 to 1986, but then him and Linda weren't married until 1991. So there was must have been some time.

[A]

I feel like I just hear the way they refer to Linda as like my dad had an affair and then he ended up moving in with the other woman.

[B]

Right, right.

[A]

And like then she had sons. So I feel like I that was the next person. Like he is definitely a serial monogamist.

[B]

Right? Sounds like Jordan baby Jordan was only seven months old when he left. What the other girls were like three and four. So. So this is Sarah Foster speaking and she. So I'm going to read this to you on the podcast Sibling Revelry where it's with Kate Hudson and her brother Oliver. Sarah went on and she talked about struggling following her parents divorce, especially seeing David dote on stepson's Brandon and Brody Jenner after he married Linda Thompson who then became his third wife. She said our dad was raising other Children. He wasn't raising us, he was raising Brandon and Brody. I was like dealing with my whole emotional turmoil, which was watching my father raise other children. That was the thing that kept me up at night. It's hard as a kid looking at your step siblings and asking why they each have three cars when we didn't. By the way, it's a lot worse leaving a woman with a five year old, a three year old and an eight month old than leaving a woman with Lyme disease.

[A]

Well, first of all, they hate Yolanda.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they really don't like Yolanda. They obviously don't get into it, but a lot is left unsaid and you can read between the lines and it's, it's true. I mean, that's absolutely true. Like leaving three young children, it's horrific, it's horrible, it's inexcusable, it's egregious. It's obviously so terrible because you're not just impacting one person's life, but four people's lives. You're the mother and then her three children or your three children. And also you can really hear the impact that this has had on these girls when you listen to their podcast. Like, yeah, they are, have a lot of trauma from that experience.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I mean, that's the whole reason Sarah never got married is because she says, like, for me, if I never got married, I would never get divorced. Like, and to her, you know, being the child of divorce, a traumatic divorce, not a Gwyneth divorce, was, was really, really traumatic.

[B]

Well, and it sounds like she kind of alludes to the different treatment potentially financially, maybe reading between the lines, they struggled financially a little bit more or didn't have what their step siblings had who weren't even his, like biological kids. Like that would be really aggravating.

[A]

Yeah. And I think that it, it's so interesting because the way they talk about it, Rebecca was like more of a single mom than having any sort of active co parent. And yeah, there was a huge financial disparity.

[B]

We're going to keep going, returning to some of Aaron's thoughts and their kids. But let's talk a little bit about Linda Thompson. You know, she had a crazy life. Has had, she's still with us like she was with Elvis, if you'll remember. So David was the stepfather to Brandon and Brody Jenner. Their father is obviously Caitlyn Jenner. And David raised Brandon and Brody since Caitlyn Bruce was already with Kris Jenner and you know, wasn't really present, was fully immersed in, you know, being a stepdad and the Kardashians father. The Kardashian lives and was having his own kids with Kris, if memory serves.

[A]

There's a period where Caitlyn Jenner left Linda in order to transition. Right, right. And yes, I don't know if that was. If the children. I think the children were born and they were young and that's when Caitlyn left. And then obviously Caitlyn decided not to transition and then ended up marrying Chris later. Right, right. So, yeah, that was kind of what was going on behind the scenes.

[B]

I didn't know this, but, you know, Brandon Jenner really considers David Foster his dad or his father.

[A]

Oh, really? Okay.

[B]

He says David Foster, quote, was really my father. He's the man who slept in the master bedroom during our childhoods. He was there for most everything. Although Bruce, now Caitlin, was the one who taught me how to ride a bike. I think it's definitely kind of a jab.

[A]

It's just interesting to consider, like, what would have, what it would have been like to be Aaron and Sarah and, and Jordan and to have their dad literally just like the dad to other kids and not to them. That's awful. So traumatic. And then also consider, like, for the Jenner kids, their dad. I, I, like, at least they had a father figure because their, you know, their father was, had kind of abandoned them for a while. Yeah, it's just crazy.

[B]

I mean, I think that would be so emotionally scarring, especially to be in a Hollywood situation where everyone's really wealthy, where you are, you know, your dad is famous. You know, I'm just like some deadbeat who's actually, who's choosing this other family.

[A]

Right. Like, way more traumatic for Aaron and Sarah and Jordan as compared to Brandon and Brody, who they had a father figure. They were in the, you know, they had all the wealth, they had all the resources. But then, you know, they had their own trauma, which was seeing Bruce go and have a family and now Caitlin have a family with Chris. And there was a lot of abandonment issues from those kids towards Caitlyn. So a trail of tears by these men.

[B]

A trail literally like women, mostly men. So in 2016, Linda Thompson released a memoir called A Thing Called Life. In her book, she revealed that David Foster was very jealous of her exes and he expected, you know, his wife to cater to him. And this is where I really got the impression that he, you know, he really is need a king and he needs to be treated like one. She writes, quote, at times he had an expectation That I was there to serve and take care of him, to make beds and do housework. He really and truly wanted to be treated like a king, not like a husband or father. Which speaks volumes about what he was like to live with, as lovable as he could be. You're not saying to David Foster, hey, can you do bedtime tonight? I'm pretty tired.

[A]

Right, exactly. This is not a partner. This is not someone who's in life with you. This is someone. Yeah. And I think that'll. For a lot of really wealthy guys, that's the deal. If you decide to sign up for a life with them and they've already built everything and they don't see you as a true partner. They really see you as like you're like romantic partner, but also like they're like low key made like they're your house manager of them.

[B]

Yeah, house manager slash sex partner.

[A]

Right, right. Which honestly, it's not a terrible deal. Okay. Linda looked like she was having a, a pretty, pretty decent life. If you watched Princess of Malibu, you.

[B]

Know, if you know that that's the deal and that doesn't bother you, who am I to say? Whatever. But you know, Lauren, David would get really upset when Elvis was brought up. So she said that she saw Foster's insane jealousy of the memory of Elvis and who Elvis was. But David clapped back and he said in Vanity Fair it wasn't jealousy. I just got tired of having a TV crew in our house every year on the anniversary of his death and hearing my wife declare him the love of her life. Just kind of funny.

[A]

Oh my God. Wait, that's actually hilarious.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Drop. And to be honest with you, I really feel like this is the one time on this episode that I'm going to be Team David. Because I feel like if you hear Linda Thompson talk and if you, if you. I didn't read her memoir, but I feel like I got the gist of it by reading all the magazine articles. It was all about Elvis. Like her life is about having dated Elvis. That's her claim to fame. David Foster is a footnote. The father of her children is a footnote. Caitlyn Jenner is a footnote. It's all about, you know, the nine month relationship she had with Elvis or however long it was.

[B]

Lauren, let's rewind the tapes to Tuesday, November 5th. Tensions are running high. Let's just say that night was a nail biter for a lot of people, people on all sides. And I decided that around 9pm that night, east coast time, I wasn't interested in looking at any more news sites. I was just interested in taking an early bird and just retreating into the comfort of my mind, off of my phone and off of the tv. And let me just tell you, it was very helpful.

[A]

Early bird CBD gummies. They take the edge off your brain. It's the only way to describe it for me. When I wake up in the middle of the night for a little anxiety. I take half an early bird and my brain, it just kind of melts away and I can go right back to sleep and slumber through the rest of the night.

[B]

Everyone. It works on thoughts like, is the future of democracy over? And also thoughts like, will boar's head turkey ever come back into our life? You know, not as a listeria threat.

[A]

A big one for you. You love good sliced meat.

[B]

Two huge problems I'm currently facing anyway. And early bird's there for it all. No, I. I really can't overstate how incredible it is.

[A]

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[B]

So just to quickly follow up with a few more details about Aaron and Sarah, Sarah says that her dad really instilled the importance of hard work into her. You know, thanks to his adage, I'm rich, you're poor. Aaron says she obviously felt a lot of conflict towards David, but not as much towards her step siblings. I guess she said mine was less resentment towards them. It was more like, we're misunderstood out in the world because we have this fake spoiled lifestyle, but we're not even really allowed to be a part of it. So we get all the backlash for it, but we don't actually get the benefits. And I think when you're 15, you don't have the maturity to understand that them having a spoiled lifestyle is not going to serve them well. You're just like, why do they have all these things and I don't? And my dad's the one giving it to them.

[A]

I think that, like, listening to them talk, it's so interesting because they clearly have had, like, they don't seem like people who just have had everything handed to them. And I think that there is. There is something, like, really cool about how accomplished they are, how much they've done. And I think that it kind of speaks to the fact that they. Yeah, they just. They didn't have. It sounds like a credit card they could just charge everything to.

[B]

Right. I think this is a Hollywood experience. That you and I are really fascinated by. You know, if you remember our conversation about like, Austin Swift, it's the people. And maybe that's not a perfect comparison, but I think we're really captivated by the life and the logistics of people who are fully in the Hollywood or like the A Lister sphere, but maybe don't have all of the perks of it.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, like, don't have actually like carte blanche, like money or whatever and, and privilege and access to things, but at the same time are running with that crowd.

[A]

Yeah. The Rob Kardashians of the world, the Austin Swifts, the parents of.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So, so fascinated by how the money trickles across and up and down from the megastars. And it sounds like it didn't trickle that much toward Aaron and Sarah. And also another fascinating thing about hearing them talk, it's like it's clear that they were braced in this environment. So in the same way that they were, you know, Brandon and Brody, they're, they're like step brothers, had this crazy lavish life. Like, they clearly have so many friends who have crazy wealth in comparison to them. It's kind of, I don't know, the way they talk. It's like they're clearly very well off wealthy women. But in their heads, given their friends, they don't talk like they are. It doesn't sound like they regard themselves that way at all. Which is just another interesting thing, I.

[B]

Think is another reason why we love them is because they have a real strong, like, thread of relatability despite being also like part of the Hollywood elites. I mean, as well. I don't know if anyone has watched Almost Famous, but their show, you know, like, that show is actually like the, you know, that's the whole kind of like, shtick of it. Okay, let's get into though. Yolanda Hadid. And he marries Yolanda Hadid in 2011. And this, you know, is his, maybe his most high profile marriage. He became stepfather to Gigi, Bella and Anwar. Their lives were thrust into the spotlight when she joined Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, you know, a year after they got married in 2012. And he really despised being on the reality TV series. And he said, you know, quote, the Beverly Hills Housewives was just kind of a nightmare for me and something that I really wish I hadn't been a part of, which I think goes back to your point about how he became known as Yolanda's husband.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So while married, Yolanda gets diagnosed with Lyme disease. And this really becomes a huge strain on their marriage. This becomes a huge plot line in Beverly Hills, and I think we should. I'm gonna play a few audio clips of Yolanda talking about it and David talking about it. And this first one is when he was kind of caught on camera doubting, like, kind of his relationship and talking about how bad it was. Any Beverly Hills people. You'll remember that Yolanda has, like, this rooftop party or something, and like, you know, the housewives are there to support her, but basically, him and his friend sit down, and his friend said, how have you been? The friend says, I just wanted to get back to the way they were when you first got together. And David goes, how's that gonna happen?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And his friend says, it's gonna happen. And he just kind of, like, doesn't know. I think it's obviously kind of a hot mic moment that's, you know, it's not like he says anything crazy negative, but it's just. Yeah, it's a real snapshot into how he was feeling and how he just, like, kind of had given up. You know, by that point, people are fallible.

[A]

But I. I will say there's something about his response that's all about, like, it sounds like it's kind of him lamenting the good times being over instead of it like, she's really sick or like she's. You know, we're just really hoping she can get better. It's like, oh, this is all about how this illness has, like, impacted our fun and, like, our lifestyle. Sounds like that's the tone a hundred percent.

[B]

And that is what I think we see through. You know, how she talks about him in her book and what the next clip I'm going to play for you. It is all about how this is actually making David's life worse. It's not about Yolanda being really sick. You know, it's worth noting that I don't think that any of the foster sisters believe that she had Lyme disease.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

I don't think that they. Yeah, I think it's. That's a little telling with Sarah's quote about it's a lot worse to leave, you know, a woman with three kids than a woman with Lyme disease. Yeah, I don't think they believe her. Let me play this.

[C]

You know, David has lost his wingman. He married a woman that was a social butterfly. Always out and doing and doing. And then all of a sudden, you know, I got sick and, you know, the shell of the woman I used to be.

[B]

So, yes, he gets impatient, mentioned Anyway.

[A]

It'S so interesting that they don't think it's real. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, and I guess that.

[B]

Might be some uncon. Unconfirmed. Like I'm sure they've never said on their podcast this. You know, this is the episode where we don't know Yolanda's Lyme disease. But yeah. Yeah, I don't think they just, like.

[A]

The only things that I've heard that allude to Yolanda are basically them saying that he's had wives that are much more age appropriate for him that have treated them a lot worse. And so they're not like, they like Catherine because at least she's nice to them, essentially.

[B]

Right. Interesting. A little bit more on the family not believing that Yolanda has Lyme disease. The public thinks that they got divorced, you know, you and me, because he didn't want to deal with her illness. David always says, you know, he says, we did not get a divorce because of her illness. It's because of another reason that I will never share, which makes me think I was just ruminating on this. And, like, is that reason that he doesn't even believe her in the first place that she was sick? So of course it's not. It doesn't have to do with her illness.

[A]

It was another reason entirely different, which is that she was faking her Lyme disease.

[B]

Yes. That there was no illness. This is a tweet that I think is. Is pretty funny. Not funny, actually. This is a tweet that's pretty dark. I can't stop thinking about how the divorce rate for men leaving their really sick wives is so high that nurses are taught to warn women patients when they get diagnosed with a serious illness.

[A]

Yeah, gruesome.

[B]

So I think this Reddit comment is pretty astute. It says, David likes young, flawless women. Side note, in her book, she talks about how, quote, david liked her really skinny. So sorry, back to this quote. While Yolanda wasn't young, she was drop dead gorgeous, fit, and catered to his every need. Then she got sick. He completely checked out and didn't want to deal with it. She took out her implants. She was very evidently sickly. He left her. Now he's with Catherine McPhee, who's like 30 years younger than him. David was always going to David. He. Her getting sick just sped up the inevitable.

[A]

Yeah, it's so true. It's honestly so true. There's a TikTok going around, which is a clip of David Foster and Katherine. Katherine McPhee. They're doing some sort of. Like, they're at some sort of concert hall doing a singing event or whatever. And this is recent. And they show her at American Idol doing something, and she, like, kind of like, makes an. In a reference to her body at that time, she's like, I was a lot. I was a lot chubbier then. Or I was chubby then. And David Foster goes, you were fat.

[C]

We met 17, almost 18 years ago when I was a. A little chubby and cheerful contestant on American Idol.

[A]

Look at me smiling.

[C]

Oh, yeah, you were.

[B]

You were fat.

[C]

It was a little chubby. Okay.

[A]

True. It was just yum. He literally says, you were fat. Yes.

[B]

Yes. I'm gonna throw up.

[A]

I think it really just goes to show the way he views women.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And the way he thinks it's okay to talk about women's. Because if he can say that in front of a crowd about his wife, like, what does he feel like it's appropriate to say?

[B]

Oh, absolutely. I mean. Oh, that is. That's vile. Meet Flip. She's one half of a Flip Flop. That's me, who got left behind at Celebration Key, Carnival's exclusive paradise in Grand Bahama.

[C]

I chose to stay here. It really is paradise.

[B]

So now Flip spends her time lounging on the beach, swimming in the lagoon, and eating.

[C]

The only thing more impressive than my appetite are all the dining options.

[B]

Yeah. Have you tried food service to your cabana?

[C]

Ooh, yum.

[B]

Flip. Where'd she go? Book your cruise. Vacation to Carnival. Celebration Key, a paradise you'll want to lose yourself in. Ships registry, the Bahamas, in Panama. Let's get into his relationship with Katherine McPhee because she was giving an interview, talking about how they met and, you know, eventually got together. And I think there's some, like, fascinating tidbits in there. He basically, the long story short of it is that he kind of always told her that he was into her. Like, they interesting they. And I guess, you know. Do you want me to play the audio or do you want me to just talk to you? Okay, so just a little, like, blurb. Catherine and David met in 2006 when she was 22 and he was 57. He was literally born the same year as her father, but they didn't get married until 2019. So it's not like they met and then they got together immediately after that. It was actually. Actually kind of a slow burn. How did you guys meet and how did you like. I love people's love stories. Like, how did you know that each other won?

[C]

But I met him When I was a contestant, American Idol. Oh, you did?

[B]

I did.

[C]

I was, yeah, yeah, he.

[B]

That season.

[C]

I mean that. I mean, if you remember how massive American Idol was at that point, it was just like.

[A]

It was.

[C]

I mean, they gave us our own.

[B]

Security pause really quick. You're seeing footage of her in this video and she is totally normal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Her body, I think that's what people.

[A]

Were so enraged about too is right. Looked totally normal.

[C]

Her own security guards to go to the malls to shop. Like every week we would go. And it was so unnecessary. But that's how important they thought like that the show was. And like, you know, if Steven Spielberg is watching American Idol every week, it was pretty important at that time.

[B]

It was pretty major.

[C]

So they had. I say that because they had amazing guests every week. Like we had Stevie Wonder and Rod Stewart and Andrea Bocelli and David Foster. And I remember calling my mom and saying, you're never going to believe who's the guest mentors this week. And you know, my mom was a huge Andrea Bocelli fan. And so I grew up like listening to all his music and. And then I said the producer, David Foster. And I was like, I don't know who he is. And she's like, Catherine, David frickin Foster.

[B]

You know who David Foster is.

[C]

And I was like, okay. So I grew up idolizing Celine and that was one of the many people that he like she was already. He'll credit and credit her because he's always good at giving credit where credit's due. But he'll. He'll say that Celine was already famous in Canada. But he brought her. He brought her down to America and made her first album with her. And so I was obsessed with Celine. Obsessed with. Not Mariah Carey, her too. But he didn't produce her. And the Whitney Houston Bodyguard soundtrack, I mean, he did like everything that I loved. So anyway, that was when I first met him. But of course it wasn't like. I mean, I was very young and we had a huge age difference and so I was certainly not. All I was thinking about was the competition and Andre Bocelli and getting through that week. But it was really cool because when I came off the show, I came in second. I didn't win, but I. Scott signed to RCA and they had me. The big song that I sang on Idol was Somewhere over the Rainbow that Simon picked for me. He had like said, this is, you know, this is a song that Cat's gonna sing. And so RCA had hired David. So I remember like getting in My little. Because I grew up here in la, so I had my car here and my mom came to the studio and he lived in Malibu at the time, this beautiful property. It was mostly like the house itself, he'll say, like, wasn't even that great, but he had this amazing studio with this huge lawn. So it's just like straight out of a movie where I pull up in my little like Honda Civic car. So cheeky. My first little car that I ever had into this like big beautiful mansion. And had a great session that day and recorded the vocals with him. And I just remember being really, you know, I realize obviously at that point how iconic of a producer he was. Right. And all the amazing accomplishments he had and being there with my mom and doesn't. Just talking about music and stuff. So it was a really special day. And then he started taking me on the road, like to do a bunch of. He's. Everyone would tell you that he never says no to a charity event. Right. He's like always doing the musical entertainment for a charity event, so. But then he always needs singers to sing. So I started becoming one of many singers that he would take on the road with him. So none of that had any romantic notions whatsoever. Although he did, like, you know, he did make it known that I was marrying the wrong person.

[B]

I did get married.

[C]

I got married. I was almost 24, so I was 23. And so I'd already known him for.

[B]

A couple years now.

[C]

I'd been done a bunch of gigs with him. He came to the wedding and played the piano when I sang for my then husband.

[B]

We'll pause right there and we can keep listening. But isn't that crazy?

[A]

That is crazy that I played the.

[B]

Piano at her wedding.

[A]

Yes. I also want to know what he told her. She was marrying the wrong person.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Probably when he's with Linda Thompson at this time. No, literally, this was Yolanda.

[B]

Linda Thompson, I think were divorced at this time. But yeah, pre Yolanda. Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So like, we'll keep listening.

[C]

And that that situation didn't work out, but it was, you know, it was. I learned a lot, but he was just kind of always this person that I really felt honored to know and to just. I knew I didn't never had any intentions of him producing an album for me or whatever. I. I mean, I could. Music is like a whole other subject I could go into. I kind of always just in the back of my mind realized I would probably be more of an actor than I would be like a recording artist and. Yeah. So we stayed friends and did a lot of gigs together and got to know each other in a lot of different circumstances. But it wasn't until after I moved back from la. I went to New York from New York. I did Smash for two years, did a TV series on cbs, Scorpion for four years. And then it wasn't until like the last two years of Scorpion that we ran into each other in Palm Springs. And I was much more mature. I was 32 years old and we had a lot of red wine.

[B]

That's how it always starts. My babies were made.

[C]

He invited me and my sister, who I took her to Palm Springs for a girl weekend, to a tennis match because I saw that he was in Palm Springs on his daughter's Instagram. I had you. And he said, come to the tennis match. And I was like, okay. And we went. And my sister went back to her. Our hotel. And he's like, come stay and party with a bunch of friends. There was like tons of people and we just kept drinking wine and it was just a very different night than all the previous years.

[B]

Sometimes it is the right person, but the time has to be right too.

[C]

Yeah, the time has to be right. Well, and I'm so. I mean, I've always was crazy about him and not in the same way, obviously that I am, that I could realize that I could be. And so now, of course, I'm always like, I wish I'd been with you like this whole time, whatever. But I would have never worked out because I would have have probably been insane and crazy and like, you know, had to go through the young 20 something years. Right. But it's true. It's like amazing that we've known each other as long as we have. And I'm out of breath because let me just say that when, you know, you know. But it take me because I knew him for so long and I loved him and I liked him and. But I was really freaked out about, like, the age difference. I was just like, yeah, I mean, I was.

[B]

It was.

[C]

It was just not even like that I was freaked out. It was just like, oh, this is just a fun thing. Like, we've always loved each other, but he. He always kind of not inappropriately, not like when he was in other relationships, but when he wasn't. He always kind of made it known that he had feelings for me or whatever, but I was always like, you're insane.

[B]

Like, are.

[C]

You're too old for me. And. And it's just like, you know, now when we're together, it's just as right. And it's. Some people are never going to get it, and we don't care. We're fine about it. You know, it's just like, he's the best thing that ever happened to me, but he was always the best thing that ever happened to me. Like, even when he was just a mentor or someone who gave me privileges of performing and giving me experience or giving me a job. Right. It was. He was always special to me. So just the fact that we sharing this life together, it's like, I'll still. We'll still be driving the car and I'll, like, turn to him and. Because I'm, like, super romantic. I like. And I'll just be like, I can't believe we're together. I can't believe I'm with David Foster. And he just laughs and, you know, like, I can't believe we're having a baby. You know, it's just like. Because I still can't believe it. It's so cool. I think it's. It's the coolest thing. It's like the greatest honor of my life.

[B]

Anyway, thank you for sitting, because I think it's. It sheds a lot of light.

[A]

I think, like, the fact that he always made it known, you know, that he was into her and wanted her. I don't know. I. There's a part of me that of course, wants to just be like, these are consenting adults. Let people be happy. They have a kid together. But there's also part of me that's.

[B]

Just like, all of, like, here's the thing. These are consenting adults. People are allowed to do whatever they want. He grosses me out. The fact that he kind of always was into her and made it known to her. Like, it's literally like, you're someone who's your dad's age who's like, your mentor, who you go on the road with, who you, like, perform with, you know, who you kind of have this working relationship with, who's boss also been. Yes. Who has made it known to you that he's into you. And then you see him in the Power. You run into him in Palm Springs, and then he finally is like, he finally gets you, and he's like, come party with us. Blah, blah, blah. And then one thing leads to another, which, I don't know, maybe I'm looking at this at. Through a really cynical, like, lens, but it's gross to me.

[A]

No, it's gross to me, too. And I think that's part of the deal, right? Like, that's part of the deal of marrying someone in their 70s when you're in your early 30s. Like this is, it's not just for him, it's for like every, the lifestyle he has to offer and all of his accolades and all of that and the kind of friend group that she runs in and all the stuff she does now. And yeah, it's just, it's definitely interesting to hear her take.

[B]

Yeah, I think it was, it was fascinating to hear that he'd always been into her also. Yeah, it's just, I think it is just like the David show and you're, you sign up for that because you want to be a part of it and you want to be on the David show and that's not a relationship that I would be interested in. Like it's the Chandler show with me. That's not for me, but I, maybe that is for some people, I guess.

[A]

Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how this, how this one continues for sure.

[B]

Yeah. Chrissy also put in here the infamous post where he snapped a picture of her in a bikini and was like, what baby that I remember you and I died over. So yeah, he likes them thin for herself.

[A]

Yeah, he does like him thin. No, I mean another thing that like I just would ask my sister if you were wanting to get with someone like that is. I would just be like, but don't you like look at his past? Like, do you really want this guy who like, like.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Very clearly seems to be like not a great husband. Not rightful.

[B]

Maybe there's a dark part that's like, well he's probably not going to do that again. You know, he's so much older now.

[A]

Of course. You know, I think they always think that they're the, you know, they're the ones to change him and yeah. And maybe he is getting to the point where he's too old to, to still be going and yeah. Chasing the greener grass. Who knows?

[B]

I do think it's nice that there's a good relationship between her and the kids. I think it like Sarah and Aaron seem to be very like adoring of her and they have to seem to have a great relationship which I think speaks to the work that they've all done on their relationship and you know, on themselves. Like I'm glad that their family is somewhat intact and that they, you know, through all of this crazy trauma and honestly his terrible actions, you know, that they're somewhat of a tight knit family still.

[A]

Honestly, I just really want to get to the bottom to what these women know about Yolanda Foster that we don't know. I like that this episode is really just becoming about Yolanda, but I genuinely just want to know what this group of girls know about the Hadids and Yolanda Foster that we do right now.

[B]

Right. I know.

[A]

If she really was faking Lyme disease, how did, how did her kids have it too?

[B]

I need someone with insider T to be dming us more information because I, I don't believe she's faking it.

[A]

I don't believe she's faking it either. I also think that Lyme disease is just one of these things that's like very something that they don't really have a cure for. And so they don't and they can't. Western doctors don't really help much with it. And so people who suffer from it, it just, it seems like, yeah, they have to get unconventional treatment. And they, Yeah, I think too this.

[B]

The symptoms are very perplexing, you know, and they're like, they're, they've run the full gamut of physical symptoms to mental symptoms. Like it's just, I think it's a really complicated chronic illness. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, thank you for, you know, your time and your civil service being a part of the trial of David Foster. I can't wait to see what verdict you all render.

[A]

Yes. What verdict our listeners render. You know, this was Chandler, the deep dive, the walkthrough I really needed of David Foster and the women and children he left for other women. And so thank you so much for leading us through it. So interesting.

[B]

Really quick. Ben had to print this off at his office and I do wonder if anyone had his at his office. Saw the deep dive entitled David Foster is the worst. The 10 pages of notes on it.

[A]

Just like the 10 pages of people article, you know, excerpts about David Foster at the Kind Bar company where Ben lives. So funny. Okay, well, we need to Amazon you a printer, first of all. Second of all, Chandler, thank you so much for this deep dive. You guys let us know your verdict on David Foster. We'll be back on Friday on Patreon and we'll see you then. Bye.

[B]

See you then. Bye. Love ya.

[A]

That's all for now, folks. Don't forget, give us a five star review, hit us up on Instagram, opapologists, and we will see you next week live, every Wednesday.

[C]

Sa.