The Four Seasons

Summary

Pop Culture Happy Hour: Episode Summary – "The Four Seasons"

Release Date: May 5, 2025
Host: Aisha Harris
Guest: Christina Escobar, Co-founder and Editor-in-Chief of Latina Media Punto Co.

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Introduction to "The Four Seasons"

In this episode of Pop Culture Happy Hour, host Aisha Harris introduces the Netflix comedy series "The Four Seasons," marking Tina Fey's return to television after over a decade. The show is lauded as a "charming comedy that makes for a great weekend binge" (00:34).

Overview of the Series

Aisha Harris provides a succinct overview of the show:

"It's about a group of couples whose friendship dynamic is rocked by their midlife crises. The cast is pretty impressive. It includes Colman Domingo, Will Forte, and Steve Carell. And while the jokes may not fly quite as fast as they did on 30 Rock, Fey's comedic sensibilities are all over this thing." (00:45)

Glen Weldon adds his perspective on the premise and cast:

"I loved the Alan Alda movie back in, I saw it as a tween theaters at age like 12 and I was really, I thought it was so wise about, you know, middle age. I really liked it more than I should have. But as a whole, it kind of didn't hit me as hard as I thought it was going to." (05:12)

Cast and Characters

The show centers around three married couples:

• Kate and Jack (Tina Fey and Will Forte)
• Claude and Danny (Marco Calvani and Colman Domingo)
• Nick and Anne (Steve Carell and Carrie Kenny Silver)

Aisha Harris elaborates on the characters:

"Nick and Anne are celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary, but everything's thrown out of whack when Nick announces to some of the others in the group that he's unhappy and plans to leave." (03:50)

Themes and Relationship Dynamics

The discussion delves into the intricate relationship dynamics portrayed in the series:

• Midlife Crises and Friendship Dynamics: The show explores how midlife crises impact the friendships among the couples.
• Character Development: While the cast is praised, some characters, like Claude, are noted as underdeveloped:

  "Claude and Danny are played by Marco Cavani and Colman Domingo...a character you keep waiting to get a moment to deepen or complicate or surprise us in any way. And that never really comes." (05:38)

Christina Escobar shares her insights on the portrayal of middle age:

"I felt like it was a downer. I felt like usually in shows when you have multiple representations of a certain type and this is really about people in their 50s, that you therefore get a diversity of experience because you have like six characters all going through the same things. And man, they were all going through the same, same thing." (07:34)

Critical Analysis

Glen Weldon critiques the show's pacing and humor:

"The rhythms of the show... are not those of 30 Rock or Kimmy Schmidt. And that's fine because different comedies have different rhythms and pacing, but it is less broad, it's less manic, and because it is deliberately less joke dense, it ends up being less funny." (06:02)

Despite this, he appreciates certain aspects:

"Even if the show around them ends up being... a little staid... it doesn't overstay its welcome and it goes down easy on a weekend afternoon." (06:53)

Christina Escobar addresses the representation of middle-aged marriage:

"I like a show where none of the characters are all the way good or all the way bad and there's sort of empathy for everybody and some sort of, like, understanding." (15:13)

Guest Insights: Christina Escobar

Christina Escobar provides a nuanced take on the series:

• Representation and Relatability: She acknowledges the challenge of portraying middle-aged relationships without falling into monotonous struggles:

  "It was nice to see Colman Domingo out of a drama. ... Just like having friends and going on vacation. I was like, we need this for you." (20:19)

• Character Empathy: She appreciates the show's attempt to foster empathy among characters:

  "I thought the show did that well with Ginny, although towards the end we get to see her with some of her friend group, and that felt a little bit exaggerated to me." (15:13)

• Tina Fey's Performance: Christina notes Tina Fey's portrayal of vulnerability:

  "I felt that distance, but I found her mostly charming and vulnerable." (19:23)

Memorable Moments and Quotes

Several standout moments and quotes from the episode highlight the show's depth and humor:

• On Middle-Aged Struggles:

  "Just because you're not a small child anymore doesn't mean it doesn't still hurt." (16:19)

• On Character Dynamics:

  "You need to get yourself a massage, go shopping, have yourself an adventure, spend all his money." (12:16)

• Humorous Exchanges:

  "When do you need an answer by?"
  "Oh, God, that's so dumb." (17:09)

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

Aisha Harris wraps up the discussion by inviting listeners to share their thoughts and encouraging them to watch the series:

"And it's fun. You should definitely check it out if you haven't already." (20:53)

Glen Weldon and Christina Escobar express their enjoyment and appreciation for the show's genuine portrayal of middle-aged relationships and friendships.

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Notable Quotes

• Aisha Harris (00:34):
  "It's been over a decade since Tina Fey last starred in a TV show, and now she's back in Netflix's The Four Seasons, a charming comedy that makes for a great weekend binge."

• Glen Weldon (05:38):
  "Claude is a character you keep waiting to get a moment to deepen or complicate or surprise us in any way. And that never really comes."

• Christina Escobar (07:34):
  "I felt like it was a downer... they were all going through the same, same thing."

• Glen Weldon (06:53):
  "It doesn't overstay its welcome and it goes down easy on a weekend afternoon."

• Christina Escobar (15:13):
  "I like a show where none of the characters are all the way good or all the way bad and there's sort of empathy for everybody and some sort of, like, understanding."

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Timestamp Guide

• 00:34 – Introduction to "The Four Seasons"
• 00:45 – Glen Weldon on show premise
• 03:50 – Overview of Nick and Anne's storyline
• 05:12 – Glen on personal connection to the show
• 05:38 – Glen on character depth
• 06:02 – Glen on show pacing
• 06:53 – Glen's final thoughts on pacing
• 07:34 – Christina on representation
• 12:16 – Memorable quotes from the show
• 15:13 – Christina on character empathy
• 16:19 – Discussion on family dynamics
• 17:09 – Humorous exchanges
• 19:23 – Christina on Tina Fey's performance
• 20:19 – Christina on character portrayal
• 20:53 – Aisha's concluding remarks

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Produced by Liz Metzger and edited by Mike Katsiff. Supervising Producer: Jessica Reedy. Theme Music by Hello Kamin.

Transcript

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[Aisha Harris]

It'S been over a decade since Tina Fey last starred in a TV show, and now she's back in Netflix's the Four Seasons, a charming comedy that makes for a great weekend binge.

[Glen Weldon]

It's about a group of couples whose friendship dynamic is rocked by their midlife crises. The cast is pretty impressive. It includes Colman Domingo, Will Forte and Steve Carell. And while the jokes may not fly quite as fast as they did on 30 Rock, Faye's comedic sensibilities are all over this thing. I'm Glen Weldon.

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[Aisha Harris]

Is entertainment journalist Christina Escobar. She's the co founder and editor in chief of Latina Media Punto Co. Welcome back Christina.

[Christina Escobar]

Thanks so much for having me.

[Aisha Harris]

Great to have you here. So in the Four Seasons, three married couples come together for their semi regular vacation weekend hang. There's Kate and Jack, played by Tina Fey and Will Forte.

[Christina Escobar]

You know, even in a thruffle, somebody's.

[Glen Weldon]

Gotta clean the air fryer.

[Unknown Speaker]

Exactly. Even in an ethical situationship, you can't miss a car payment.

[Aisha Harris]

Claude and Danny are played by Marco Cavani and Colman Domingo.

[Unknown Speaker]

You know, I need to be there in person to see all the furniture, touch all the fabrics.

Why do you have to be so tactile all the time? We need sexy, but I'm so frustrating.

[Aisha Harris]

And then there's Nick and Anne, played by Steve Carell and Carrie Kenny Silver. Nick and Anne are celebrating their 25th wedding anniversary, but everything's thrown out of whack when Nick announces to some of the others in the group that he's unhappy and plans to leave. Anne.

[Unknown Speaker]

I, I built her that pottery shed. She hasn't made one thing. All she wants to do is play this farm game on her iPad. I look over her shoulder some nights. She's really high on the leaderboard.

[Aisha Harris]

What a way to throw a grenade in the middle of a vacation, man. So the rest of the show follows the couples as they navigate the fallout from their breakup and their own relationships to one another over the course of the next year or so. This is based on the 1981 movie that was written, directed by and starred Alan Alda. Tina Fey is a co creator of the Four Seasons and it's streaming on Netflix with Glenn, I am gonna start with you because I know that this is catnip for both of us, this cast, the premise. So how did this strike you?

[Glen Weldon]

That's the thing. I mean I love these individual components, every member of this cast and the premise. I loved the Alan Alden movie back in I saw it as a tween theaters at age like 12 and I was really, I thought it was so wise about, you know, middle age. I really liked it more than I should have. But as a Whole, it kind of didn't hit me as hard as I thought it was going to. I mean, for instance, I love Carrie. Kenny Silver getting to dig a little deeper than she gets to do in a very broad, silly show like Reno911. The only actor in this entire main cast that I don't have a preexisting long standing parasocial relationship with is Marco Calvani, who you mentioned, who actually he wrote and directed a pretty great indie film called High Tide. He plays Claude and Claude is a character you keep waiting to get a moment to deepen or complicate or surprise us in any way. And that never really comes. And I guess it counts as progress that a character that underwritten is by a gay man instead of a woman, as it would have been done in years past. I guess that counts.

[Unknown Speaker]

This is not a sign, Danny. Thunder, Volcano. When a fish looks at you right in the eye for no reason, these are signs. This, this is a fixable problem and I'm going to fix it.

Okay, Just breathe.

[Glen Weldon]

Okay? The rhythms of the show, as you mentioned, are not those of 30 Rock or Kimmy Schmidt. And that's fine because that's the way it should be. Different comedies have different rhythms and pacing, but it is less broad, it's less manic, and because it is deliberately less joke dense, it ends up being less funny. And again, that's intentional because the show wants to, you know, mile a minute, yucks for depth, for insight, for saying something about marriages and long term relationships of all kinds. And that means we have to want to spend some time with these couples even when they're not making us laugh. And I mostly did. I mostly did. Even if the show around them ends up being again, I'm surprised by how conventional, maybe even a little staid. Now I have some pretty, admittedly bougie tastes and the show is pretty bougie, but you know, it doesn't overstay its welcome and it goes down easy on a weekend afternoon. I was fine with it at the end of the day.

[Aisha Harris]

Yeah, I think it's worth noting, as you said, because this is not 30 Rock or Kimmy Schmidt. The basic framing of this series is that every two episodes is a different season, hence the four seasons. And so they take these trips to various places and you know, it's interesting the way it's set up and it causes some complications, including the booze gets really heavy when we're visiting their alma mater and northeast, like very Tony, whatever. Christina, I am very curious to hear your thoughts on this show. Because you and I are around the same age, I think. So this is a show about middle age. How did this make you feel about middle age?

[Christina Escobar]

Yeah, I'm a bit younger than these characters, but not that much younger. So I have kids, but they're not in their elementary school and not in college. So they've got a good ten plus years on me. And I loved all of the components of these shows. Some of my favorite actors, I like the fantasy of grownups being able to take four vacations a year together, which is just like absolutely wild. But. But I felt like it was a downer. I felt like usually in shows when you have multiple representations of a certain type and this is really about people in their 50s, that you therefore get a diversity of experience because you have like six characters all going through the same things. And man, they were all going through the same, same thing. Everybody was having a hard time talking to their partner and it was messing everything up. I think we should get shows about middle aged marriage. That's an interesting topic, but it didn't quite work for me. I would say the one thing where they veered away is when there was this conflict between Colman Domingo's character Dani and Tina Fey's character Kate, like a friendship conflict. And I was like, ah, yes.

[Aisha Harris]

Yay.

[Christina Escobar]

Something else to think about. Thank goodness. Because the rest of the time it really felt a little too one and just like sad. Like, man, I hope there's more in my 50s than fighting with my partner.

[Aisha Harris]

Yeah, no, I, I loved that conflict between Dani and Kate. It felt very real. And it also kind of speaks to what you were talking about Glenn with the Claude character, Danny's partner Claude, which is that like there's not a lot going on there. He's very, he's very sweet. He's the one person who's the, the bright spot. He's like, I'm trying to make everything happy and everything's great and I'm so excited about everything. And he's got an accent. So like, I feel like there's a stereotypes going on here. It's like I'm the effeminate gay, slightly younger than everyone else, ditzy. And at one point Kate sort of like mentions that to Dani.

[Unknown Speaker]

I admire how you've set up your life. You have me for intelligent conversation and then you get to go home to that handsome, ridiculous person that you married.

Okay, Kate, you're drunk and it's my marriage, so please stay the out of it.

[Glen Weldon]

That was real.

[Aisha Harris]

Yeah, that was real. I've been There I've been on both sides of those things. I've been Kate, and I've been Dani. And I totally hear you both on this idea that it is kind of, for the most part, we're just seeing more or less the same kind of conflicts amongst three different couples at the same time. It was enough for me. I can't say that I'm taking four trips a year with my friends, but I have quite a bit of experience traveling with other couples and also traveling with other friends. And when you're in these confined spaces for short periods of time, and especially if you don't get to spend all that much time outside of those vacations together, things come up. And when couples are on the rocks, that can affect the dynamic. And I thought especially the sort of central breakup between Nick and Anne, the ripple effects of that really kind of stuck with me. It felt like this is the way that things might actually pan out if the core couple in the group breaks up. This is where I admit that I have never seen Reno911. So I was not familiar with Carrie Kinney Silver before this, but my goodness, I think she had some really great moments. I thought at first she was gonna be kind of like the female analog of Claude. And then once she's, like, dealing with the breakup, there's a very sad and very cringy moment where she is trying to open a gift. It's so real. If you've ever been to a gift shop on a resort or whatever, they're like, we're packing this for you to fly away with it. And she's trying to open it, like, to impress someone or to flirt with someone, and it just goes so wrong.

[Christina Escobar]

They wrap it for the airport. Yeah, I can see.

[Aisha Harris]

And it went on just a little too long. And I liked those moments. Like, those moments kind of worked for me.

[Glen Weldon]

Yeah. It gets a surprising number of things right. I'm speaking to y'all from the doldrums of middle age, so I can say it gets something. I was surprised about how it gets something right about gay couples. There are ways that a gay couple acts around their straight friends that is different from how we act around our gay friends.

[Aisha Harris]

Yes.

[Glen Weldon]

I liked how, like, Colman Domingo's character has a different relationship with the character played by Carrie, Kenny Silver, than she has with, say, the Tina Fey character, because I think that speaks to him having a different relationship to the concept of traditional marriage than the Tina Fey character does. So Tina Fey looks on this woman with pity, whereas Domingo's character is encouraging her to take next steps. I think that's a smart little nuance there.

[Unknown Speaker]

You don't need to hide. You need to get yourself a massage, go shopping, have yourself an adventure, spend all his money.

[Glen Weldon]

You could pair off pretty much any two of these characters in a scene and get something different. Except for Claude. Claude would just be, I love my husband. Where's my husband? It gets something right about middle age when Will Forte's character buys Tina Fey's character some record albums. They're all my favorite bands. And I was like, oh, I feel targeted. Ruthlessly targeted. And as an ex theater critic, it gets something read about terrible theater. At one point, we see a play that the daughter of Steve Carell and Carrie, Kenny Silver.

[Aisha Harris]

Oh, my God. Love that scene. The messy aftermath of your practical. Your absence left me with only my tears as companions.

[Glen Weldon]

That actress is Julia Lester, and she's very funny. And she wrote a terrible play. The kind of play I used to see all the damn time.

[Aisha Harris]

Same.

[Glen Weldon]

And this is the point, though. I think it gets group dynamics right to your point, Aisha. I mean, at one point, a character observes that the Tina Will couple always complain. And that felt like I was listening in on couples gossiping about each other, which is a thing that happens on vacations and at home. And that's what I like so much about the 1981 Alan Alda movie. We're looking in on this couple as they read each other to filth in a real way. That's my favorite part of this show.

[Unknown Speaker]

No, no, I'm not gonna make it. Between my hunger and Claude telling me about a dream he had two years ago.

[Aisha Harris]

I mean, you know, I love Claude.

[Glen Weldon]

Yeah, we all love Claude.

[Christina Escobar]

But you said you would be a little buffer.

[Aisha Harris]

I mean, I'm also curious. Once Nick and Anne, the Carell and Kenny Silver characters, break up, we do get introduced to Ginny, who's played by Erica Henningson. And she is the person that he starts dating after, and she is significantly younger. And we've seen this before, and we've seen this in real life. Like, I think actually Nick's daughter is like, this is the definition of a midlife crisis.

[Christina Escobar]

Like, and she says she has the personality of squats, which I was like, so funny. Yes, that was the best part of the play.

[Aisha Harris]

Yes. And there is a way, like, we all have our feelings about May December romances, especially when December swings in the male direction and May is the female direction. It's very cliche. And I'm curious what you thought about the way it presents itself. Because, of course, there's a way everyone else's response in the group to this is exactly how you would kind of expect it to be. She's got more energy. She wants to do all these things that younger people want to do. But she also, like the show, I think, also tries to be sympathetic or even, like a little empathetic toward her character.

[Christina Escobar]

I thought they did a good job trying to make her a person, but they didn't fully leap. You know, I think her and Claude are the least developed. That said, when Anne and Nick were talking to their daughter and she's like, ginny's a symbol of everything that's wrong. I was like, er. And then it was Anne, you know, the jilted wife, who had to say.

[Unknown Speaker]

Jenny is not a symbol, she is a person. So thanks a lot to both of you for making me be the one to have to say that out loud. Motherhood.

[Christina Escobar]

And I felt like that moment was really powerful and the right thing to do. And Anne was then mad that she was the one who had to do that, which also felt really human. I did think this show had some good insights and pushed us to have empathy for all of these people, even if they were silly, even if they were being jerks, which I really appreciated. I like a show where none of the characters are all the way good or all the way bad and there's sort of empathy for everybody and some sort of, like, understanding. I thought the show did that well with Ginny, although towards the end we get to see her with some of her friend group, and that felt a little bit exaggerated to me, who is older than Ginny. I was kind of in the middle here, but I was like, this is an old people's view of what a young person's life is like.

[Aisha Harris]

Definitely the. The vegan. We're not drinkers. Like, I was like, yeah, I mean, sure, some of us are like that, but we're not. We're not all not eating meat. It's just. I'm just saying. Yeah, yeah.

[Glen Weldon]

And the Steve Carell character, you know, could easily come off as a jerk, and that's the extent of his character. But because it's Steve Carell and he's got, you know, he's got a woundedness to him that even when he's talking and saying some really selfish things about how, you know, my wife doesn't even try, you can kind of see you never lose the vulnerability. He knows he screwed up and he knows how bad it looks, but he's still searching for Something. And, you know, you can judge him as every character on this show does, but they do that because that's exactly what would happen. That's real.

[Aisha Harris]

I think that especially comes alive when he's talking to his daughter. And he seemed to think that her being in college would make it easier, but it's like, no, these are still your children. And, you know, just because you're not a small child anymore doesn't mean it doesn't still hurt.

[Unknown Speaker]

I stupidly thought that if I waited until you were in college and this would be such a big deal.

[Aisha Harris]

Oh, God, that's so dumb.

[Unknown Speaker]

Yeah, I'm a idiot. Most adults are idiots.

[Aisha Harris]

I appreciated that aspect of it.

[Glen Weldon]

I was kind of. It took me a while to kind of get lock into this show's tone because, you know, I just have this thing with Will Forte. Every word out of his mouth seems like it's a bit like it's a put on. And so when he plays it straight and sincere just takes me. I have a learning curve. And with Tina Fey, I want to know what you guys think. I mean, she's not playing Liz Lemon here. Liz Lemon is the character that's always the butt of the joke. She's engineered to be funny. Sometimes when you watch Tina Fey act in a conventional comedy, like Baby Mama or Mean Girls or Sisters, there is a sense that she is very conscious of how she's coming across. There's an intellect there. Maybe that's the writer's sensibility or in this case, the producer's sensibility, but it leads her to kind of hold back a bit, and you kind of get a sense of her standing outside herself, kind of next to the character, listening to how she's saying the words. Do you guys know what I'm talking about here?

[Christina Escobar]

Yes, absolutely. I thought so.

[Aisha Harris]

Yeah, I can totally see that. At the same time, I think for this character, it works just because of her whole, especially Kate and Jack's dynamic as a couple together. I kind of not including Nick and Anne, but out of the three couples, it feels as though they are the most afraid to step on each other's toads, in a way. And for me, that sort of guardedness and her feeling a little maybe stilted is what you're getting at, Glenn. But, like, I felt it worked for the interactions that she has, especially with Jack. I didn't mind it, but I don't know. I think for me, I'm like a Tina Fey apologist sometimes. She has definitely done a lot of things where I'm like, okay, Tina. I don't know, it was nice to see her back in a show and, you know, being a little bit vulnerable or trying to be a little bit vulnerable in a way that, like, you know, 30 Rock could get to sometimes, but not always because that wasn't. It wasn't the same show. So this is different. This is Tina fey in her 50s, and I'm. I don't know, I'm curious to see more of that from her.

[Christina Escobar]

For sure, yes. I felt that distance, but I found her mostly charming and vulnerable. Right. Like, she's a person who always thinks of herself as the smartest person in the room, and when that doesn't work, she doesn't really know how to handle herself. And I felt that that was a good fit and that she was able to be kind of slyly funny without hamming it up, which, you know, I appreciate it at the end of the day.

[Aisha Harris]

Absolutely. Yeah. And again, I do love Kate and Dani's relationship. I feel as though they were the most. Like, I could totally see them being friends in real life. They just. They had a very good rapport. So I would love to see more Tina Fey and Col and Domingo teaming up together, because that's fun.

[Unknown Speaker]

Now I know it's a nightmare for you because you're just like me. You love making jokes and picking fights.

I don't like picking fights. I like winning fights.

Okay, do you want to win or do you want to have a nice life?

When do you need an answer by?

[Christina Escobar]

And I also want to say it was nice to see Colman Domingo out of a drama. Drama trauma. Out of a drama. The trauma. Just like being a man doing his stuff. Like, it was like, ah, it's. It's so nice to see him just, like, having everyday problems, not saving the world, not running from spies, just like having friends and going on vacation. I was like, we need this for you. And he's a joy always to watch.

[Aisha Harris]

And arguing with his partner in the middle of a threesome. Love it. Love it, loved it.

[Christina Escobar]

Yeah.

[Aisha Harris]

Well, it sounds like we all liked it to some degree. And. And it's fun. You should definitely check it out if you haven't already. And we want to know what you think about the four seasons. If you have had a chance to check it out, find us at facebook.com bchh that brings us to the end of our show. Glenn Weldon, Christina Escobar, thanks so much for being here. This was fun.

[Glen Weldon]

It was.

[Christina Escobar]

Thank you.

[Glen Weldon]

Thank you.

[Aisha Harris]

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