The Madness

Summary

Pop Culture Happy Hour: Episode Summary - "The Madness"

Released on December 2, 2024

Introduction

In this episode of NPR's Pop Culture Happy Hour, hosts Aisha Harris and Stephen Thompson delve into the intricacies of the Netflix series The Madness. Featuring an insightful discussion with actor Colman Domingo, the conversation explores the show's narrative depth, character development, and its portrayal of contemporary societal issues. Skipping over the introductory advertisements, the hosts dive straight into their analysis, providing listeners with a comprehensive understanding of what makes The Madness a compelling addition to the paranoid thriller genre.

Plot Overview

The Madness centers around Muncie Daniels (played by Colman Domingo), a Philadelphia-based CNN pundit undergoing a tumultuous divorce and facing a critical juncture in his career. Seeking solace, Muncie rents a house in the Poconos to focus on writing his book. However, his life takes a dramatic turn when he becomes the sole witness to the brutal murder of a notorious white supremacist, only to find himself framed for the crime. This sets off a chain of events involving sinister forces, evil billionaires, underground militias, and deceptive assassins, weaving a complex web of paranoia and intrigue over eight intense episodes.

Key Discussions and Insights

1. Character Exploration and Performance

   • Colman Domingo as Muncie Daniels

     Colman Domingo's portrayal of Muncie Daniels stands out as the cornerstone of The Madness. Both hosts commend his ability to bring depth and nuance to a character navigating multiple crises simultaneously. Domingo's performance is lauded for portraying Muncie not just as a man trying to survive, but also as someone grappling with strained familial relationships and personal demons.

     "I think that the key to the success of this show is Colman Domingo's performance at the center of it."
     — [Colman Domingo, 05:01]

   • Supporting Cast

     The show features a robust supporting cast, including Gabrielle Graham as Callie, Muncie's daughter, whose "laid-back, seen-it-all quality" adds a refreshing dynamic to the storyline. John Ortiz's portrayal of Franco, an FBI agent, is highlighted as another standout performance, bringing a "shaded, interesting, multidimensional" aspect to the narrative.

     "There's a great scene towards the end... the John Ortiz performance I really, really love."
     — [Stephen Thompson, 07:41]

2. Themes and Societal Reflections

   • Contemporary Paranoia and Conspiracy Theories

     The Madness taps into the zeitgeist of contemporary paranoia, reflecting real-world distrust in media, politics, and institutions. Stephen Thompson draws parallels between the show's themes and societal issues, noting how it mirrors the complexities of modern-day conspiracy theories and the multifaceted relationships individuals navigate within these frameworks.

     "It reminds me of Spike Lee's BlackKklansman in a way... trying to untangle and represent this weird age we currently live in."
     — [Stephen Thompson, 15:11]

   • Racial Dynamics and Activism

     The show also delves into racial dynamics, particularly through Muncie's interactions with white supremacist elements and his own background as a former activist. The nuanced depiction of these themes offers a layered narrative that resonates with ongoing conversations about race and activism in America.

     "Living up to your pop's legacy... trying to protect my family."
     — [Muncie Daniels, 12:34]

3. Strengths of the Show

   • Engaging Storytelling and Pacing

     Despite some criticisms, the hosts agree that the show's pacing keeps viewers hooked, with each episode ending in a way that compels them to continue watching.

     "At the end of each episode, I was, like, ready to press play again."
     — [Stephen Thompson, 04:09]

   • Rich Character Development

     The depth of Muncie's character and his relationships with family members and associates add emotional weight to the thriller elements, creating a balanced and engaging narrative.

     "He is on a number of journeys at once. He is not simply trying to stay alive. He is also working through these relationships with his family."
     — [Aisha Harris, 06:28]

4. Criticisms and Weaknesses

   • Overstuffed Plot and Red Herrings

     Both hosts point out that the show's plot can sometimes feel overcomplicated, with too many subplots and red herrings that may detract from the main narrative. The inclusion of certain elements, such as antifa-type operations, is seen as extraneous and not fully integrated into the story.

     "It feels like they're padding and stretching a little bit when they don't really need to. It's still an overstuffed story."
     — [Colman Domingo, 06:43]

   • Inconsistent Portrayal of Media

     A particular scene involving broadcast media is critiqued for its unrealistic depiction, which doesn't align with how real media organizations operate.

     "There is something authorized to be said on broadcast media that no broadcast media organization would ever allow..."
     — [Aisha Harris, 13:31]

   • Lack of Disguises for the Protagonist

     The absence of disguises for Muncie as he evades capture is highlighted as a missed opportunity to add authenticity and tension to the thriller.

     "He always looks exactly like Colman Domingo. Same facial hair... I wanted more like disguises, you know?"
     — [Stephen Thompson, 10:46]

5. Comparisons and Influences

   • Similarities to BlackKklansman

     Stephen Thompson draws a comparison between The Madness and Spike Lee's BlackKklansman, particularly in how both narratives handle the intersection of race, activism, and conspiracy.

     "I agree to some extent this show also kind of reminded me of Spike Lee's BlackKklansman in a way."
     — [Stephen Thompson, 15:11]

6. Overall Impressions and Conclusion

   Despite its flaws, The Madness is praised for its strong central performance and the engaging dynamics between characters. The show's ability to weave complex themes into an entertaining narrative makes it a noteworthy addition to the paranoid thriller genre. Hosts Aisha Harris and Stephen Thompson conclude that the captivating performances and intricate storytelling make The Madness an immersive and satisfying watch, even if it doesn't perfectly execute every plot thread.

   "For all of its flaws, I think it coheres into something that has a magnificent performance at its center... ultimately found it immensely satisfying."
   — [Aisha Harris, 14:58]

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "I think that the key to the success of this show is Colman Domingo's performance at the center of it."
  — [Colman Domingo, 05:01]

• "He is on a number of journeys at once. He is not simply trying to stay alive. He is also working through these relationships with his family."
  — [Aisha Harris, 06:28]

• "I was like, why have you not shaved your beard? Not that that's gonna make that much of a difference..."
  — [Stephen Thompson, 10:46]

• "At the end of each episode, I was, like, ready to press play again."
  — [Stephen Thompson, 04:09]

• "Living up to your pop's legacy... trying to protect my family."
  — [Muncie Daniels, 12:34]

Final Thoughts

The Madness offers a rich tapestry of suspense, character depth, and social commentary, anchored by a standout performance from Colman Domingo. While it navigates some narrative pitfalls, the show's strengths in storytelling and thematic exploration make it a compelling choice for fans of the genre. Pop Culture Happy Hour provides an insightful examination of the series, making this summary a valuable resource for those seeking to understand the essence of The Madness without having listened to the episode.

Transcript

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In the Netflix series the Madness, Colman Domingo plays a CNN pundit who witnesses a brutal murder, then finds himself on.

[Aisha Harris]

The run as he's framed for the crime.

[Stephen Thompson]

What follows is a paranoid thriller full of sinister forces, evil billionaires, underground militias, devious assassins and lots of red herrings. I'm Aisha Harris.

[Aisha Harris]

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[Aisha Harris]

It's just the two of us today.

[Colman Domingo]

So in the first episode of the Madness we meet Muncie Daniels. He's a Philly based CNN pundit who's.

[Aisha Harris]

Going through a divorce and at a.

[Colman Domingo]

Crossroads in his career he's played by Colman Domingo.

[Aisha Harris]

Muncie rents a house in the Poconos.

[Colman Domingo]

Where he can decompress on his book.

[Aisha Harris]

But he quickly finds himself the only witness to a grisly murder. It turns out the victim was a notorious white supremacist. And Muncie quickly realizes he's being framed.

[Colman Domingo]

Which means he's got a problem with.

[Aisha Harris]

Not only the police and the FBI, but also white supremacists seeking vengeance. Over the course of eight episodes, we get a sense that there are even larger forces in play. And we also get to know Muncie's family and associates, as well as some of the other players involved. Naturally, this being a paranoid thriller, not everyone is looking out for his best.

[Colman Domingo]

The Madness is streaming now on Netflix.

[Aisha Harris]

Aisha, what did you think of the Madness?

[Stephen Thompson]

I was mostly on board with this. I love Colmin Domingo. I think he's great. He is playing a character that I think we've rarely seen in this kind of genre exercise. I love the fact that he's this black political pundit who used to be this on the ground activist and has since shifted into a more glamorous and less radical position as a talking head. And now he's being thrust into these various webs of extremism and having to, like, deal with that. And I also think it's interesting, like, for this to come out at the time that it is, you don't really have to squint too hard to recognize some of the real life analogs that were likely the inspiration for Muncie Van Jones.

[Aisha Harris]

There's a pun in this show involving Don Lemon.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yes, Don Lemon. The Black Lives Matter founders and supporters like Patrisse, Cullors, Deray, McKesson, all of them have sort of faced the same kind of criticisms of, like, once you seem to be for the people starting, you know, organization on the ground stuff, and now you're kind of like, maybe you're a little too much into your celebrity. Maybe you're enjoying, you know, hobnobbing with the A list a little too much. So I think it's really interesting to put that into this conspiracy thriller framework. And I admire the attempts to do it. I don't think it necessarily always successfully does. So overall, I think it's fun. Well, fun is a weird word. I don't know. I don't know if it's fun, but it's engaging enough, I think, to keep going. Like, at the end of each episode, I was, like, ready to press play again. So ye. Yeah, I enjoyed it. I'm curious to hear how you felt about it, Stephen.

[Colman Domingo]

Yeah, I felt the same way. I think that the key to the success of this show is that Colman Domingo performance At the center of it.

[Aisha Harris]

I had the experience last year of.

[Colman Domingo]

Being kind of frustrated because I love Colman Domingo as an actor, but I.

[Aisha Harris]

Didn'T love either of the movies that.

[Colman Domingo]

He was in, including the one that.

[Aisha Harris]

He was nominated for an Academy Award for.

[Stephen Thompson]

Rustin.

[Colman Domingo]

Rustin, yeah.

[Aisha Harris]

Yeah.

[Colman Domingo]

He was also in the Color Purple. And I definitely had this thought of, like, this guy is a towering actor whom I'd like to see get bigger and better roles, and this really gives.

[Aisha Harris]

Him something to chew on.

[Muncie Daniels]

I saw a man get chopped up last night, and now I feel like I'm walking around with a bullseye on my back.

[Aisha Harris]

I know there are tons and tons.

[Colman Domingo]

And tons of paranoid thriller elements to this show, and it leans into kind of all of them over the course of eight episodes. But at the heart, you have also a really interesting and nuanced and expansive kind of character sketch of this guy.

[Aisha Harris]

The evolution of his relationship with his estranged wife, with his son, with his.

[Colman Domingo]

Kind of secret daughter. And by the way, I loved the performance by Gabrielle Graham as Callie, his daughter, who has this kind of laid back, seen it all quality that I think really works well.

[Aisha Harris]

I love this performance, and I love how rich and layered they allow the characterization to be. He is on a number of journeys at once.

[Colman Domingo]

He's not simply trying to stay alive.

[Aisha Harris]

He is is not simply trying to.

[Colman Domingo]

Unravel a conspiracy, clear his name.

[Aisha Harris]

He's also working through these relationships with his family.

[Colman Domingo]

And I think if you didn't have such a strong performance at the center.

[Aisha Harris]

I might have gotten more hung up.

[Colman Domingo]

On some of this show's flaws. It certainly has a lot of plot threads we acknowledged in the intro. A lot of red herrings, including kind of some detours that only questionably, really even need to be there, where it.

[Aisha Harris]

Feels like they're padding and stretching a.

[Colman Domingo]

Little bit when they don't really need to. It's still. It's an overstuffed story.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yeah.

[Colman Domingo]

And so some of that stuffing feels.

[Aisha Harris]

A little extraneous or doesn't necessarily ring true.

[Colman Domingo]

There's kind of a subplot involving a kind of antifa type operation that I just didn't think worked at all or made any particular sense.

[Stephen Thompson]

It was very weird. It was very weird. And then, like, it picks it up, but then it kind of drops it. Yeah, it comes and it goes. And then, like, by the end of it, I was like, oh, I forgot. There's an entire militia that he spent like one or two scenes with. And then they kind of fade, recede back into the Background as all these other bigger entities stay in the fold. Yeah.

[Colman Domingo]

And there are moments and characters where every once in a while, they kind of then try to weave that thread back into the plot and you're like, oh, yeah, that guy. Or, oh, right. Or, oh, I missed that guy. You know, I thought the performance by John Ortiz as Franco, the FBI agent, is a really nice, kind of shaded, interesting, multidimensional performance that I really loved in this show.

[Tamsin Topolsky]

Did you want him dead? You've been vocal in the past about the need to fight hate. Folks could look at that and say, hey, maybe Muncie Daniels decided to take this out.

[Muncie Daniels]

Maybe the FBI did too, and they needed someone to blame.

[Tamsin Topolsky]

You watch too many movies.

[Colman Domingo]

There are tons of great character actors, including some we won't spoil, that are.

[Aisha Harris]

Woven into this plot. But on balance, for me, it's that central performance that really lets this.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yeah, I did say, you know, I was ready at the end of each episode to press play, but I do think this could have benefited from being like, a tight six episodes instead of occasionally meandering eight episodes. Cause this is a show like, as with all conspiracy theories, there are a lot of characters, a lot of names you have to remember because oftentimes they're not on screen. It's just people talking about those characters. And you have to be like, wait, who? What? Who is this? Like, who? And it weaves in. Eventually it's not. It goes back beyond sort of the sort of neo Nazi world, and then it brings in, like, climate change comes up, like, becomes a thread in it, and it's like cobalt mining comes into play. Yeah. And again, I so admire the attempt to sort of try and untangle and represent this weird age we currently live in where, like, people do not trust the media, politicians, like, and this is very much a show that's like, follow the money, follow the money, follow the money. And, like, it leads to all of these different threads. And in real life, this is true. You know, of course there are Peter Teals in the world, but it does get a little too much up its own butt, I think, to its detriment. Now I will say, yeah, the John Ortiz performance I really, really love. I found that this show was able to, despite all of the headiness, occasionally dig into more. A little bit of levity. There's a scene where him and his soon to be ex wife, who they both clearly still have feelings for, who's played by Marcia Stephanie Blake, and her name's Elena. In the show, they go undercover to a swingers party I'm like, okay, this is an interesting Hollywood version of the way swingers parties apparently work. Sure, why not? And that's where it gets a little bit fun. It felt a little bit like, oh, this is like a fun sort of spy thriller too. But I kind of wanted it a little bit more fun. Throughout this show, he is constantly on the run and able to evade various people trying to capture him. Yet he never goes under disguise.

[Colman Domingo]

He always looks exactly like Colman Domingo. Same facial hair.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yeah, he doesn't shave his beard. At one point, I'm like, why have you not shaved your beard? Not that that's gonna make that much of a difference, but to a lot of white people, you could be a completely different person. When you shave your beard, all he does is pull up the collar, or he might put on a hat and shade it down. And I'm like, my dude, you are all over the news. Everyone is looking for you. There's a bounty on your head. And I wanted more like disguises, you know?

[Colman Domingo]

Sure. I mean, but that also gives the show the opportunity to have him kind of. He's in different levels of danger of.

[Aisha Harris]

Being found out depending on where he is.

[Colman Domingo]

When he is in the kind of Philly underground versus when he's kind of.

[Aisha Harris]

Moving through the corridors of power. It's interesting the way he's able to.

[Colman Domingo]

Every once in a while, he's just.

[Aisha Harris]

Recognized, and it's like, oh, how can I help?

[Stephen Thompson]

Yes.

[Colman Domingo]

When he encounters black people, it's very different from what happens when he encounters.

[Stephen Thompson]

There's a great scene towards the end in one of the later episodes where he, you know, he manages to evade a very dangerous situation yet again, and someone finds him and saves him. And this guy, he's very much giving. Living in a bunker type of vibes.

[Colman Domingo]

Off the grid.

[Stephen Thompson]

Off the grid. Completely off the grid. He talks to him about, like, how he envisioned him, how he saw him in the public eye before all of this stuff went down, and then how he sees him afterwards, and he's like, telling him, yo, I'm so happy you killed that white supremacist. This shows that you're, like, trying to get back to your roots, and this exchange happens.

[Muncie Daniels]

This is a turning point, and Monsie Daniels is the catalyst. Living up to your pop's legacy. I didn't kill brother 14. I just got caught up in the same, and now I'm just trying to protect my family.

[Stephen Thompson]

It's worth noting that, like, Muncie's father was a radical. Like, he was known for being A radical activist. And I just find that exchange very. It is a tale as old as time, especially when it comes to black American characters in movies and TV shows where there's this pull between the revolution and, you know, walking on the other side of the revolution. Can those two things emerge? And I appreciated that this show tries to sort of disentangle that and the fact that him being on the run is sort of like. There are obvious sort of parallels to the Underground Railroad and those sorts of things and how he's able to find community in very unexpected places and even hang out and grill with one of the people who just like, he's like, oh, you're hiding out at your daughter's place, like, hey, come out and have some barbecue. It's like, sure, why not?

[Tamsin Topolsky]

Yeah.

[Aisha Harris]

And for me, those scenes worked a.

[Colman Domingo]

Lot better than some of the kind of core corridors of power stuff. Not to spoil anything, in the very last episode, there is a scene involving broadcast media where there is something authorized to be said on broadcast media that no broadcast media organization would ever allow in 100 trillion years because they would have been immediately hit with a ten figure lawsuit. I'm not always sure that this show has the surest handle on how broadcast media worked.

[Stephen Thompson]

Oh, God, no.

[Colman Domingo]

But at the same time, as a paranoid thriller, you're always gonna suspend a certain amount of disbelief. You're always gonna have a certain amount of like, well, that part is silly. That would never happen.

[Aisha Harris]

How did he get out of that scrape?

[Colman Domingo]

Et cetera.

[Aisha Harris]

You're always gonna have some reservations.

[Colman Domingo]

But for me, I think the strongest endorsement that I really had of this show is it's eight episodes. It adds up to, you know, about.

[Aisha Harris]

Six and a half hours or whatever.

[Colman Domingo]

And I more or less just.

[Aisha Harris]

Next episode.

[Colman Domingo]

Next episode. Next episode was I kind of seeing.

[Aisha Harris]

Ghosts out of the corners of my.

[Colman Domingo]

Eyes after a while, like living in this kind of paranoid universe in which every car that drives by may contain a menace.

[Aisha Harris]

Absolutely.

[Colman Domingo]

But that's the joy of a paranoid thriller. And I think for all of its flaws, I think it coheres into something.

[Aisha Harris]

That has a magnificent performance at its center. A bunch of really terrific supporting performances revolving around it. Ultimately found it immensely satisfying, even if.

[Colman Domingo]

I don't think it stuck the landing in every way.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yeah, I agree to some extent this show also kind of reminded me of Spike Lee's BlackKklansman in a way.

[Colman Domingo]

Absolutely.

[Stephen Thompson]

Especially in the scenes where you have the white supremacist who is found dead at the beginning of the show. His wife plays a big part in Muncie's sort of this whole conspiracy that he's unraveling. Or actually, I think it's his ex.

[Aisha Harris]

Wife at least estranged.

[Stephen Thompson]

They were separated at the time. At minimum, her name is Lucy and she's played Tamsin Topolsky. And she's left the whole Aryan Brotherhood or whatever he was a part of. Whatever you wanna call it, whatever you wanna call it.

[Aisha Harris]

Forge.

[Stephen Thompson]

They call it Forge. Yes, she's left that. But then she becomes a key part in like trying to help him.

[Colman Domingo]

Yeah. I think Tamsen Topolsky does a really nice job with this role and I think their kind of uneasy alliance is pretty interesting.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yes.

[Aisha Harris]

She is often used as a little.

[Colman Domingo]

Bit of a plot device in ways that I think that characterization could have.

[Aisha Harris]

Been a little richer, even though I.

[Colman Domingo]

Really liked the performance.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yeah.

[Colman Domingo]

Also, man, this show deploys character actors so beautifully. I can watch Stephen McKinley Henderson, who.

[Aisha Harris]

Plays his friend Isaiah is one of those faces, one of those guys.

[Colman Domingo]

Every time he pops up in something, I'm like, oh, it's that guy.

[Stephen Thompson]

Yeah, I love that guy. He was the best part of Civil War. Anytime he pops up, it's great to see him and I'd recommend it.

[Colman Domingo]

Yeah, me too.

[Aisha Harris]

All right.

[Colman Domingo]

We want to know what you think about the madness. Find [e-mail] PCHH that brings us to the end of our show. Aisha Harris, thanks so much for being here.

[Stephen Thompson]

It was fun. Stephen, thank you.

[Colman Domingo]

This episode was produced by Hafsa Fatima and Liz Metzger and edited by Mike Katzeff. Our supervising producer is Jessica Reedy. And hello.

[Aisha Harris]

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[Colman Domingo]

Thank you for listening to Pop Culture.

[Aisha Harris]

Happy Hour from npr. I'm Stephen Thompson and we will see you all tomorrow.

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