Linda Holmes (3:33)

It'S just the two of us today. Let's get right to it. The Night Agent is based on a Matthew Quark novel and was created by Sean Ryan. As you may know, he was the showrunner not only of the Shield, but also of Terriers. He developed developed SWAT on cbs, so he's been making TV for a long time for broadcast and cable and streaming. In the show, Gabriel Basso plays Agent Peter Sutherland, an FBI agent stationed in the basement of the White House, monitoring a phone that basically never rings until one night it does. On the other end is Rose, a young woman who's a computer security expert. She's terrified and she needs help and she's afraid someone is after her. She'll explain it all in time. Peter befriends Rose and the two of them end up trying to unravel a dangerous conspiracy that may even have its origins somewhere within the White House. Peter has the help of the President's chief of staff, played by the biggest name in the cast, the very busy and recently Oscar nominated Hong Chow. Over 10 episodes, you get chases, shootouts, secret conversations, twists and turns, everything you would ask and would expect from a show of this kind. It's streaming on Netflix now. Aisha I came to the team at Pop Culture Happy Hour saying I really got sucked into this, maybe a little bit more than I expected. What did you think of the Night Agent?

Unnamed Speaker (4:54)

It's a show that I think hits many of the familiar beats and if you like those familiar beats or are the type of person who enjoys sort of these espionage thriller, White House sort of things, you will find pleasure in it. I think it's perfectly fine. And I don't mean that necessarily as a dig. I think that the performances, people are very, very committed. There are little details. I noticed, especially when it came to the action sequences. The Peter character is very much like, you know, he's ripped. He can do what he needs to do. But also when he's getting in fights, getting in shootouts, or even just being chased or running after someone, he gets hurt. And it's believable in a way. The action will sometimes kind of pause and kind of show, oh, this guy isn't just this perfect who is invincible and nothing's gonna happen to him. There's one scene where he falls through glass, like, from a couple stories high. And you feel it.

Aisha Harris (5:50)

Take my hand. Come on.

Linda Holmes (5:59)

Are you okay?

Unnamed Speaker (6:00)

It hurts. And he's. For the rest of that episode, he is, like, limping like he's not invincible. So I appreciated that. There's a little bit of realism applied to especially, like, the action sequences are the parts that are a little. Might be more hard to believe, but overall, I feel as though this isn't necessarily a show for me, and that's totally fine. You know, and obviously this was created by the same person who did swat, so it has that sort of grayscale network TV aesthetic to it where it's kind of like, dour and drab. And some of the acting can lean towards feeling like it's straight out of, like, Law and Order.

Linda Holmes (6:38)

Yeah, A lot of wet, gritty streets.

Unnamed Speaker (6:41)

A lot of wet, gritty streets. Some characters who I think are less believable in some scenes where it just kind of feels like I'm watching an episode of svu, a show I used to love and now have got grown a little weary by. But overall, I think this is a pretty decent watch. It's 10 episodes. I think it's not necessarily elevating the genre, but I enjoyed it enough to recommend it to anyone who really is into this kind of genre.

Linda Holmes (7:09)

Yeah. And see, I have this great fondness for what I often refer to as, like, 90s trench coat thrillers, which are very much this kind of story. Your Pelican Brief, your, you know, some of those Grisham ones. But also, like, you know, some Harrison Ford movies were like this. And, you know, even, like, older. No, Gene Hackman was always in a lot of movies like this. These kind of, like, people sneaking around D.C. having secret conversations, and you never know who you can trust. I love those stories, and I really enjoyed this. I think you're exactly right that if you like this kind of story, it's a really nice execution of exactly this kind of story. And I think what caught my attention about it was, you know, there is so much going on with streaming television, especially right now, that is resistant to the idea that it is television that is resistant to the idea of episodic structure. And Sean Ryan is still a guy who I think believes fundamentally in television, and I think believes fundamentally in the idea of the episode, not the 10 hour movie. So. So you get these kind of structured episodes where they have a rise and fall to the conflict. Because it's an ongoing series, it's meant to have the episode be like, oh, no, I have to watch the next one. Which for me was really, really effective. I watched, I kid you not, I watched this entire thing in one day.

Unnamed Speaker (8:36)

Oh, my goodness.

Linda Holmes (8:37)

To me, it was just pleasurable in that way. And I had a conversation. I'm gonna credit my. My friend Alan Sepinwall. He's the TV critic at Rolling Stone. And he said there is a kind of a. In the first episode that involves baby. And at the very end of the episode, there's a shot that shows you the baby. The baby is fine. And one of the things that Alan said was Sean Ryan has been making television long enough that he understands that you have to provide that shot because people will be wondering whatever happened to the baby? And you have to tell people the baby is okay.

Unnamed Speaker (9:15)

Yes.

Linda Holmes (9:15)

And I, over and over and over, I felt Ryan as a creator giving you the information that you're supposed to have at different points in the story, which is part of being a writer of television.

Unnamed Speaker (9:28)

Yeah.

Linda Holmes (9:28)

And I found myself sinking into kind of the rhythms of this genre, feeling like it was being given to me by someone who respects this kind of thing and is not being like. Like you said, it's not really. I'm gonna subvert this and make this totally different. I mean, this is like man and woman running, holding hands. Are they eventually going to make out, oh, gee, maybe they're both hot and gorgeous? You know, Are you going to eventually find out that there are treacherous people who are bad that aren't, you know, originally seem to be bad? Of course, that's what this genre is. The other thing I will say that was so interesting, I actually followed up with Sean Ryan to verify that they did not shoot any of this in DC because it really looks like dc. It did a really good job. And I did appreciate the fact that it has a sense of place that is completely faked. It's all. I think Vancouver or something like that. It's one of those Canadian cities, but it feels like dc And I appreciated that. To me, this is like, yeah, this is D.C. popcorn thriller. And I was totally into it.

Unnamed Speaker (10:37)

Yeah, well, that's what I mean by, like, this sort of dour grayscale. I'm sorry, but D.C. especially, especially if you're there when it's overcast, it's just kind of gloomy. It feels, for me, at least, suffocating in many ways. And I got that sense from this show. Like, you're supposed to feel it's gritty reality of DC. It's gritty reality DC. I also really enjoy the 90s espionage thrillers, and I think the best of them are the ones that either are trying to subvert or say something a little bit different about our government and how it works or are just completely bat crazy. Like, what is going on here? Like, Air Force One. It's kind of great. Like, I enjoy that movie very much, and I feel as though this show kind of toes the line between the two and doesn't really quite get to the point where it feels out of this world. Like, it's being very weird. Scandal, like, and this show doesn't feel over the top and weird. I also feel as though we kind of know from the very beginning who is bad. Not to what degree they are bad, but the show tries to fake you out a few times, and it's just like, no, come on. We know.

Linda Holmes (11:47)

But I think that's part of it. Like, I think in a way, you're sort of supposed to be watching for a person, for, like, various people in these kinds of stories to turn bad. You're trying to be like, oh, I think that person's probably bad. And I will give you the whole thing about, like, these kinds of things work best when they're either very straightly dramatic, like an Alan Pakula movie or something like that, or they are, as you delicately said, bat crazy. You got to admit, Aisha, the very end of this is pretty bat crazy.

Unnamed Speaker (12:19)

Yes. Yes, it is.

Linda Holmes (12:21)

If you describe to someone and then he does this, and then he does this and then he does this, they'll be like.

Unnamed Speaker (12:30)

That'S true.

Linda Holmes (12:30)

And I will say, you know, I mentioned before, this is sort of like man and woman running and all that stuff. And it's true that he's the FBI agent and she's the endangered person, but I did appreciate that she's the computer expert, so she's not just sort of like, there to be Protected. She does contribute to the, you know, the actual solving of all the thriller elements and stuff like that. Like, he needs her to solve this also, despite the fact that there is some pretty familiar gender stuff around, you know, some of their interactions.

Unnamed Speaker (13:01)

Yeah. And I also think that she's kind of the viewer's ongoing skeptic of government and what they're doing in general, because she has a reason to be. Her aunt and uncle have been murdered and she needs to figure out what happened. And I think it's important to have that voice in this show because at the end of the day, all of these sort of White House based series, even though there's always some corruption, there's always some bad people, I mean, it's very similar to police procedurals. Like, at the end of the day, there's still this tint of jingoism that occurs and is bubbling beneath the surface, or sometimes it's very, very loud and open. Even though Peter has every reason to be upset with, like, most of the people in the White House, he's still committed to his country and still committed to fighting for it.

Linda Holmes (13:48)

Right.

Unnamed Speaker (13:48)

Which is like a tricky thing to balance. And I have my feelings about it. I don't love it. But at the end of the day, it's lighthearted enough of a genre to. Or at least the way it's executed here for me to at least push those feelings to the side a bit and also side with her character and be like, at least we have you. Like, you are the one who's. Every step of the way. I don't trust this person. I don't trust this person. And Peter's like, oh, but I don't know, Rose. Like, we might be fine. She's like, no.

Linda Holmes (14:17)

I mean, why would someone in the.

Aisha Harris (14:18)

White House stage a terror attack? There's no excuse for it. If we find proof that Hawkins or.

Linda Holmes (14:24)

Somebody else is in on it, motive doesn't matter. I disagree. The why is everything. Yes, exactly. And I will say one other thing, which is the end of this is meant to set up more Night Agent.

Unnamed Speaker (14:37)

Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

Linda Holmes (14:38)

And I hope that more Night Agent would also involve Rose and would not just involve Peter on some new spy adventure. Because I think I mostly like the dynamic between the two of them. And I'm not sure that I'm up for, like, Peter randomly goes and is a spy in more places doing more things.

Unnamed Speaker (15:00)

Agree.

Linda Holmes (15:00)

But I'll be interested to see how people respond to this. Cause I think, you know, Netflix is such a weird place right now in that they are canceling a lot of things. And I had a conversation, I did an interview with Sean Ryan years and years and years ago, and one of the things he talked about was the difficulty of the 22, 23 episode season and how invariably it sags around in the third quarter of a 22 or 23 episode season, which I think is absolutely true. And the more that drama on TV kind of got a little more serious and a little more involved, it was like, yeah, okay, but if you're making 23, 24, it's gonna have that slow part. And it's interesting to me to see him kind of lean into this 10 episode, which obviously, you know, the Shield had shorter seasons also. So it's nothing new, but like to see him kind of doing a show that feels like it could be a network show, but it has a streaming style season and presentation in that they're dropping it all at once.

Unnamed Speaker (15:56)

Yeah.

Linda Holmes (15:56)

Well, we want to know what you think about the Night Agent. Find us@facebook.com PCHH that brings us to the end of our show. Aisha Harris, thanks so much for being here. You are my night agent, always reporting for duty.

Unnamed Speaker (16:08)

Thank you.

Linda Holmes (16:09)

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Aisha Harris (16:49)

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