Caitlin Clark on Fever Year 3, WNBA Pressure, AB Pick & Roll, Logo 3s & CRASHOUTS | Ep.37

Summary

Post Moves with Candace Parker & Aliyah Boston

Ep. 37: Caitlin Clark on Fever Year 3, WNBA Pressure, AB Pick & Roll, Logo 3s & Crashouts (May 20, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this dynamic episode, Candace Parker and Aliyah Boston welcome the most requested guest: Indiana Fever star and generational talent Caitlin Clark. The trio dives deep into their third year together in Indy, the ever-evolving pressures of the WNBA, the nuances of their powerful pick-and-roll duo, and the reality of living under the spotlight. With trademark candor and humor, they share behind-the-scenes stories, candid reflections on growth, generational differences, and of course—plenty of friendly roasting. This is a must-listen for anyone who wants an unfiltered look at life at the highest level of women's basketball.

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Major Topics & Key Insights

1. Fever Team Chemistry & Year 3 Aspirations

Segment: [16:37]-[18:51]

• Caitlin reflects on the excitement of having the Fever’s core trio (Clark, Boston, Kelsey) together for a third season, emphasizing the growth in their chemistry and friendship over time (even with her injury last year).
• She underscores the importance of patience at the start of a WNBA season and the reality that teams and players need time to find their footing.
• Quote (Clark, 17:49):
  “Even though, you know, me, Kelsey, and AB...still, like, we're still trying to find our chemistry and our flow with one another…But overall, just really excited, and it's fun to be back out there.”

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2. How Teams Defend Them & WNBA Physicality

Segment: [18:51]-[21:22]

• Physical play is the overwhelming scouting report against both Clark and Boston. Boston notes defenders’ default is: “be super physical.” Parker notes how much harder it is to officiate post play.
• Clark stresses how the league’s emphasis this year on “freedom of movement” is crucial for guards and slimmer-framed players:
• Quote (Clark, 20:01): "Physicality, physicality. That's always what I'm met with ... So I'm excited that freedom of movement is a point of emphasis."

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3. Unlocking the Pick-and-Roll: The Clark & Boston Two-Person Game

Segment: [21:22]-[24:36]

• Parker compares their potential to Jokic and Murray, asking what makes their duo unique.
• Clark raves about Boston’s versatility: “AB can pass—that’s missing from a lot of people’s games. Her IQ is taken for granted.”
• They discuss reading each other’s cues—the short roll, the pop, the hard dive—and why continually expanding those options makes defending them nearly impossible.
• Quote (Clark, 22:13):
  “She communicates well, she defends, she rebounds, she scores...she reminds me of Jokic a lot.”

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4. Coping with Pressure and Expectations

Segment: [29:54]-[32:32]

• Clark opens up about the challenge of living up to immense public and personal expectations, especially after injury.
• Uses meditation, journaling, sports psychology to stay grounded.
• Stresses the importance of impacting the game even when shots aren’t falling: “Set your teammates up, get your feet in the paint, do whatever you can...”
• Quote (Clark, 31:45):
  “Sometimes that’s the harder part of it. I feel like shooting is way more mental...it’s your belief you can make the shot.”

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5. The Art of Getting Out of a Shooting Slump

Segment: [33:39]-[35:13]

• Clark: “Get downhill, get your feet in the paint, get to the free throw line.”
• Boston admits she sometimes starts at “you suck” but is focusing on maturity.
• Supports the importance of veteran teammates knowing when to approach or give space.
• Quote (Boston, 34:36):
  “I usually start at ‘you suck’ sometimes...but this year we don’t even do that. Remember: maturity.”

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6. Locker Room Dynamics & Teammates Becoming Family

Segment: [37:26]-[39:14]

• The hosts and Clark discuss the humor and inevitability of playing alongside former rivals (e.g., South Carolina vs. Iowa storylines), how any awkwardness fades, and inside jokes are born.
• Boston: “You just know, like, I knew she was gonna be the number one pick...now we just have to figure out the other part.”

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7. Generational Differences, Social Media, and Player Mentality

Segment: [44:44]-[49:00]

• They joke about voice memo etiquette (two minutes is too long!), team rituals, and adjust to life in the smartphone era.
• Quote (Parker, 5:45):
  “If it’s over two minutes, babe, just call me.”

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8. Competitive Drive and Upbringing

Segment: [49:17]-[52:44]

• All three share childhood stories—playing with/against boys, no participation trophies, and learning that real winning matters.
• Clark: “I was the kid keeping score at five... no, we aren’t tying. Everybody doesn’t get a trophy.”
• Boston recounts being appalled when a friend’s mom offered a reward for losing.

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9. Early Sports & Athlete Development

Segment: [53:04]-[54:52]

• Clark credits playing soccer for her passing vision and reading angles: “That’s literally what soccer is—getting your body at the correct angle, leading people on passes...”
• Both stress the value of multisport backgrounds.

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10. College Memories, Coaching Influence, and the “Logo 3”

Segment: [57:25]-[68:37]

• Clark details her recruitment (almost went to Notre Dame), why she chose Iowa, and the COVID freshman season (living at the La Quinta Inn, eating hot dogs for breakfast).
• Both Clark and Boston reflect on their relationships with college coaches (Bluder and Staley), the importance of being held accountable, and learning to take criticism.
• Parker discusses the trust required for “logo 3” shots and coaches giving stars special freedom.
• Quote (Clark, 68:37):
  “She would still hold me accountable... but a great shot for some is not a great shot for someone else.”

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11. Fun & Lighthearted Segments

- Crashouts & Emotional Outbursts

Segment: [40:23]-[43:54]

• The group playfully imitates each other’s “crashouts” after bad calls (immediate mouthpiece removal for Boston, Clark’s persistent talking to refs).
• Highlight (Clark, 41:57):
  “AB is always, like, using their name. It’s not like, ‘That’s a bad call,’ it’s like ‘Joe, horrible call!’”

- Pre-Game Rituals

Segment: [44:13]-[44:46]

• Origins of their must-have hug and repetition before every game: “Now it’s just like, I need it before every game.”

- Rapid-Fire “Who Knows Caitlin Best?”

Segment: [76:03]-[79:09]

• Clark’s favorite color: “Baby blue.”
• Favorite artist: Taylor Swift.
• Favorite cookie: Warm, undercooked chocolate chip.

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12. The Legendary Logo 3 to Break the College Scoring Record

Segment: [73:02]-[75:15]

• Clark walks through her mindset and nerves heading into the record-setting night, confirming that let-the-game-come-to-you approach.

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13. Fan Q&A and NBA Talk

Segment: [85:18]-[88:13]

• Celebrating Shai Gilgeous-Alexander’s consecutive NBA MVPs and OKC’s playoff run.
• Jokes about teammate gifts for awards and who the “worst driver” is on the team.

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Notable Quotes

• Aliyah Boston on criticism and accountability (65:12):

  “There were times where she'd be yelling at me that, like, one time a year where South Carolina doesn't win a game...It was in that moment the hardest thing because you're like, dang, I don't know what else I can do. But now I look at it and I'm like, wow. Like, thank God for her. Seriously. Like, she's the best.”

• Candace Parker on playing through defensive game plans (25:04):

  “Sometimes there's beauty in taking what the defense gives you…that can mess up everybody’s game plan.”

• Caitlin Clark on getting out of her head after a shooting slump (33:39):

  “Get downhill, get your feet in the paint...Either I’m gonna get a layup or my teammate’s gonna get a layup or an open three. Like, don’t settle.”

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Fun & Memorable Moments

• Epic “crashout” imitation with mouthpiece dramatics [40:23] & [41:57]
• Clark’s April Fool’s prank about Aaliyah’s NIL retroactive pay [45:18]
• Generational roasting about TikTok confusion and long voice notes [5:19]
• College memories of hot dogs for breakfast and quarantine Sweet 16 at La Quinta [60:44]
• Game segment on who knows Caitlin best [76:03]
• Clark nearly went to Notre Dame, told Muffet McGraw yes, and then called back to stay home [57:25]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [16:37] — Welcoming Caitlin Clark and Fever chemistry discussion
• [18:51] — How teams defend Clark & Boston
• [21:22] — The pick-and-roll duo and player strengths
• [29:54] — Coping with pressure and expectations
• [33:39] — Overcoming shooting struggles
• [40:23] — “Crashout” routines and emotional outbursts
• [49:17] — Competitive drive: childhood stories
• [57:25] — Recruitment, Iowa years, coaching influences
• [65:12] — Accountability and learning from college coaches
• [68:37] — The legendary logo 3 and breaking records
• [73:02] — Record-breaker retelling
• [76:03] — Rapid-fire: Who knows Caitlin best?
• [85:18] — NBA MVP talk and fan questions

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Final Takeaways

This episode is a masterclass in chemistry—on and off the court. Clark, Boston, and Parker openly discuss the realities of building something, the perpetual drive to grow, the weight of expectation, and the moments of pure joy in basketball. Expect honest laughs, sharp basketball IQ, and the feeling of being a fly on the wall in the Fever locker room.

Highly recommended for Fever fans, hoopers, and anyone craving candid dialogue about women’s basketball, leadership, and the personalities at its pinnacle.

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Transcript

[A]

Hey, Caitlin, can you demonstrate slash, talk through one of Aaliyah's crash outs? Like, if you're Aaliyah and something happens.

[B]

Are you kidding me?

[C]

It's immediate mouthpiece. It's immediate mouthpiece is coming out. I'm like, first of all, do not get that spit on me. The poor ref is just getting, like.

[B]

Because, like, it's a bad call. I do take it out immediately.

[C]

That's why I don't play with a mouthpiece in, because it's like, it's hard to breathe and it's hard, and I

[B]

can't even yell quick enough, and I

[C]

have to talk a lot.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And then it.

[A]

It's like you're putting your hand in your mouth.

[C]

She keeps it in pretty well. Some people are constant, like, out.

[B]

Mine's pretty good. Unless we're in, like, a timeout or, like, example, I have to talk nicely.

[A]

What's up, everyone? And welcome back to Post Moves. I'm Candice Parker, here with my co host, Aaliyah Boston.

[B]

That's me.

[A]

Okay, you can stop. Follow us at Postmoo show on all

[B]

socials and don't forget to subscribe on YouTube, Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm just kind of confused why you didn't let me hold that note, though. Why didn't you let me hold it longer?

[A]

I'm kind of confused because you've been in a mood, and the people need to know that.

[B]

Why would you do that?

[A]

Because the people need to know. Literally do that.

[B]

I literally confided something in you.

[A]

I confided in you and you. Like, I talk.

[B]

I don't get it.

[A]

I had to talk to you like I talked. But we'll. We'll keep going. Layla's my daughter, by the way. There won't be an episode next week, but we had to make it up to y' all in a big way because today we're finally giving the post ups what they've been asking for our most requested guests.

[B]

That's right. My sister Caitlyn Clark is joining us on the pod today.

[A]

That was a drum roll. That's amazing.

[B]

You didn't hear. Did you hear it? Was it, like, on fire?

[A]

Oh, that's kind of nice. It's kind of nice. But before we get to Caitlin, how was your week?

[B]

It was a great week. I mean, vibes were high. I mean, we were in la, so I'm kind of thrown off that you weren't there, but I. It's okay. I still forgive you for Layla's Birthday.

[A]

Like, I was working. I was working.

[B]

Still. Still.

[A]

I was flying across the country and back. Okay.

[B]

I mean, that's cute and all, but, like, still.

[A]

Yeah. Layla's birthday was cool. It was amazing. All her friends showed up. This kid really likes food, so we went to Wally's, which is one of her favorite restaurant, which is a wine bar. What it has. Yes, but it has, like, the greatest brie bread and steak and all of these things in la. So my kid is a foodie. And then for her, she had a sip. A paint and sip party. But mind you, she's 17, so it was like apple juice and ginger ale, but she wanted some sushi, so we ordered sushi.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So we had a. We had great vibes. So I'm sorry I missed your game here in la. You guys took care of business.

[B]

We won.

[A]

You guys won. So congrats. I was flying across the country doing NBA playoffs. I did the WBA launch period, WNBA launch period. It was amazing. Portland versus New York was the first game. And then I took a red eye to Cleveland for Game 6 between Cleveland, Detroit, which was a cinema as Cleveland won in game seven yesterday. Spoiler alert. So how. How are you feeling? How's your first, like, couple weeks? I know you. You sat out yesterday's game, which is your first time in eight years sitting out a game.

[B]

I know. Please don't remind me. That literally broke my heart. I honestly wanted to just start the game and then not play the rest. Like, I literally just wanted to do the tip and then sub me out. But.

[A]

Yeah, but we not trying to mess up them averages.

[B]

You know what I'm saying?

[A]

We not trying to do that. We not trying to do that.

[B]

We're not trying to do that. I mean, outside of that, though, everything is, like. Everything's chilling. We're vibing. Hoops are good. Two and two right now. So we play Portland on Wednesday. Gotta get that. And then I think we got the Valks. Gotta get that.

[A]

Can I give you, like, a scouting report on Portland? Because I was just at their game.

[B]

Yes, please.

[A]

Do they press? So if y' all don't work on your press break, it's gonna be a long game. Okay. Just want to throw that out there. Bridget Carlton is hooping, so.

[B]

Yeah, she is. She's shooting. She's shooting that rock.

[A]

She's shooting a mess out of the ball. So, yeah, spoiler alert. Work on your press break and make sure that, you know you're gonna have to handle. So I want, like, two or fewer turnovers in that game from. You got it. I'll give. Caitlin. I'll give. I'll give. Caitlyn4 you2.

[B]

Okay. Slay.

[A]

Okay. Deal.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Period.

[B]

All right, it's time for our fresh take of the week, presented by Wendy's. Wendy's new spicy chicken sandwich is crispier, crunchier, and more flavor packe than ever. Wendy's. We're so back. Okay, so this is my first take. You should never send me an audio message that's over two minutes. And I mean that in the nicest way. Because if it's over two minutes, babe, just call me. You know what I'm saying? Like, why would I sit here. My attention span to listen to a voice note. That's three minutes and 45 seconds. You're never gonna catch me. And you know how audio now will like let you click it and read it? I gotta start reading because what is a four minute voice note?

[A]

Yeah, but you could also, like speed it up, you know, like Sonic the Hedgehog.

[B]

That's.

[A]

That's how, that's how. How fast I listen to my voice notes. No, I. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm not. It's. So what's your cap? You said two minutes is your cap. Because that's a lot of grace.

[B]

Two minutes is really my cap. But I really prefer like 120 and under. I'll go with one is a stretch.

[A]

A minute. A minute is mine. Because that's. But just send an email.

[B]

What do you have?

[A]

That's what you.

[B]

What do you have to say? Seriously, what do you have to say for two minutes that you can't just.

[A]

I will say this though. It's okay to like record an audio message and start it and then like delete it and rerecord because I think sometimes people feel like it's a finished product.

[C]

Product.

[A]

And you have to keep recording even though you mess up and you say and you don't get to your point when really, in fact, you can just not waste my time and you can just re record it.

[B]

Yeah, I. I just don't like. It's just when I see audio messages and it's literally like touching two minutes, I get so irritated that I have to close my phone because I don't want to hear it. I don't.

[A]

Did we just agree on something for the first time? Like, we just agreed on something.

[C]

Look at us.

[A]

It's a good day.

[B]

We write this down, man.

[A]

What day is today?

[C]

Okay.

[A]

All right. It's time for what we want to talk about and don't worry, we'll keep this one short because we already know half of y' all are already fast forwarding to the Kaylin Clark interview. So the Fever are sitting at 2 and 2. Only two losses are coming from the wings and a loss in OT to the Mystics. So honestly, like, both of those games probably could have gone.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Either way, possession here, possession there. Obviously, we, we watch. You guys took care of the Storm during that loss to the Mystics. You left the game early and then missed the next game. So I. I'm hoping that you're back and you're feeling better. Are you feeling healthier? Just needed some time. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. Good. Feeling good.

[B]

You know how we get down.

[A]

Wow. Caitlyn. The WNBA initially missed Caitlin's assists in her final stats and have since been corrected. So Caitlin had 32 and 10 in that Mystics loss and she's now the first player in WNBA history. Record multiple 30 point and 10 assists games. I'm cracking up because during my era there was no going back and looking at stats. So listen, I love it.

[B]

You couldn't, you couldn't rewatch it. If they missed it, they missed it. It didn't matter. Like, nothing matters.

[A]

The way that they record stats now is wild. Like, I was watching Vander Sloot's 20 point assists and like she threw it to somebody. They pump faked, dribble to the side, like, and then shot it and there's like vanish loot. I was like, wow. I really.

[B]

Cause how did that qualify? Yeah, how did that qualify?

[A]

But congratulations. And I love that for Caitlin that they went back and were like, nah, because you got to get it right. And then again, your win against the Sparks, this is working backwards. Win against the Sparks, 87, 78. It was your second game coming off that loss against the Wings. I think it was really hilarious. That had nothing to do with the game. It had more so to do with the lookalikes that were thought to be the people in the stands that weren't actually. And so some of these people that are labeling like so and so is at the game.

[B]

At the game.

[A]

You are going viral because it is the funniest thing ever. Abby Wambach was at the game, but she wasn't. That's not Abby. I mean, I actually know that Sparks fan. She's a long time Sparks fan. But USA Network, that's crazy. You saw. I'm gonna have to send this to Abby. I'm sure she's seen it, but I just need to get a reaction because she's hilarious.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

But yeah, that was. That actually gave me a lot of laughs, not gonna lie. But yeah, like working through the rest of the wnba, watched a lot of WNBA basketball, obviously, big game. Atlanta versus the Aces on Sunday.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that was crazy.

[A]

That was such a great comeback by Atlanta. But then they have to remember that they have Chelsea Graham, winner.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

She made a big bucket. A game winning bucket and the game winning steel.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Versus Alicia Gray. Were there any other teams that kind of like jumped out to you in, you know, in the wnba? I mean, Toronto beating L. A. Yeah, At L. A. The second, second game.

[B]

I love when, like gets all spicy. When L. A beat Toronto, they. The caption was like, they not like us. And then when Toronto be L. A. They. I forgot what their.

[A]

What the something was.

[B]

It was like. Yeah, it was actually.

[A]

Have you listened? Have you listened?

[B]

Yes. Our practice guys play iceman every single day. I told him this was their last day, like, that was it.

[A]

So are you. Have you listened to all 990?

[B]

No, absolutely not.

[C]

Genuinely.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, I. I'm gonna work my way into this because three albums is a lot. No, I haven't, I haven't. I'm waiting for everybody to give me the recommendations of the songs because I'm like, this is a lot. I don't know if I could digest all of this.

[B]

No, it's too much. It's too much. But then I. What I don't get is when the song plays and obviously I'm hearing it for the first time and they know all the words already. How do you, how do you know all the words?

[A]

How often I've done that with Jay Z where I just sit down and learn the words. God did. God did. I learned in 12 hours. Yeah, it's a sickness. I know it is. It's a sickness. But some players that jumped out, I mean, obviously we. We kind of have to talk about the Jose Fernandez conversation. Obviously. Dallas, Dallas lost to Minnesota, right? They lost Minnesota. Yeah, Dallas lost to Minnesota. Jose came in, their coach, head coach for Dallas Wings, and had some words to say regarding their selfishness in the locker room. Have you ever had anything like that happen with a coach that has not

[B]

in, like, the media? I feel like, I feel like everything, if the stuff happens, it's always like behind closed doors. But him saying it was very bold. But, I mean, I kind of like it. Like, he's had other moments already in the pressers in like four games of him just like saying, like, this is how I do stuff. And it doesn't matter. And I'm like, I kind of like it.

[A]

Well, his quote is, there's a selfishness in this locker room. Don't get upset if you think that you should have played more or you didn't get the shots that you think you should have gotten. Really good Teams don't give a about that. You know what they give a about? They give a shit about winning.

[B]

Winning.

[A]

I love the message. I think in game three, a little tough. I also think that the directness of what you're talking about, I know you don't want to call a specific player out, but generally saying that it leaves a little gray area, especially if you're going to the media. And so I just think in game three, that's really tough, especially with all the questions around az, is it az, is it Arike, Is it Paige? Like, I just think to kind of put that type of cloud over the season already when you know, like, you have yet to go through the bumps and the ups and downs of the season is probably really tough. But listen, they brought him in there to fix things, so he thinks this method is gonna fix it. And if you know your team and you know they bounce back off of that, then, hey, kudos, because they look good. Pretty, pretty early. We'll see. We'll see how it works. All right. If you stayed with us through all the fever Talk and the WNBA talk, we appreciate you. Y' all are real ones. A.B. i think it's time we give the post ups what they've been waiting for. We allow guards.

[B]

We allow guards just sometimes, Just sometimes

[A]

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[A]

All right, we have a very special guest joining us today. She's the all time leading scorer in college basketball. 2024 WNBA Rookie of the Year, two time WNBA All Star. It's Indiana Fevers finest, Caitlyn Clark period.

[B]

Bow, Bow. Bow. I just nailed my. That was really good.

[C]

AB's taught me well.

[A]

Dude, that's the end of the show. Like what do we, what are we doing?

[B]

I'll do it.

[A]

Both. Both.

[C]

I've been working.

[A]

Well, listen, I got a question first to start off because our, our show is called post moves in your guard. So do you have a post move that you go to? Because I mean in order to get into the club, like you got to

[B]

have, you got to have a little something.

[A]

You got to have a post the shimmy.

[C]

I don't have much in my bag. I got a little fade Away.

[A]

You have.

[B]

I was hoping you were going to say the fade. That means

[C]

over, like, turn.

[B]

It's your. It's your right shoulder. Yeah.

[A]

Right shoulder.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I got to work on my left a little bit. There's a scouting report for anybody, but, yeah, that's all I got.

[B]

I think that qualifies, though.

[A]

Okay, so she's allowed in the club.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Post ops.

[C]

Hey, I know my role. I'm just here to support my post. I give her the ball. That's all I need to do.

[A]

Well, listen, in your third season in the wnba, how are you feeling? Let's talk goals. You know how we feel. And you got the core back. Kelsey resigned. Aaliyah took all the money, and, you

[C]

know, how about that?

[B]

Hold on.

[C]

I'm just kidding. She deserves it. I mean, I'm just super excited. Like, I think obviously having me, Kelsey, and A.B. like, this is our third year together, and obviously, I was hurt for a good amount of last year, but still getting to be around, like, that still builds chemistry. Chemistry and a friendship with one another. So it was a little painful watching from the side, but it was fun to kind of watch, like, AB And Kelsey just, like, carry the load and then obviously getting, like, Lexi back and Sophie back and, you know, adding some other pieces, like, those people are really important to our team, too. So I'm really excited. I think now that it's like, my third year in the W, like, you kind of understand now being your fourth, like, at the beginning of the year, sometimes it can feel like the world is ending or like you're a really, really great team, and you come to realize, like, that's not how it always, like, pans out. And it's a long season and kind of got to give yourself some time to find your footing and figure out what your team's going to be. And even though, you know, me, Kelsey and AB Or Alexi and Sophie have been playing together, like, still, like, we're still trying to find our chemistry and our flow with one another, so. But overall, just really excited, and it's fun to be back out there.

[A]

I always. I. I always, like, I talk to AB about this all the time about, like, the growth and the level of growth that you have to have, like, after each season. Because I think your rookie season, when you come in, in general, people just don't know how to play. You. Like, they. You can talk the scouting report, but you have to, like, be out there to really feel it. And then when people the next year adjust, and then can you adjust and like, of those things. So is there a shift for both of you early in this year in the way people are guarding you and, you know, don't give the scouting report. That's not what I'm saying. But is there a shift, do you notice, in the way people are. Are guarding you this season?

[B]

Oh, I feel like for me, they. It's always going to be like, be physical. So I think it's going to be interesting. Especially, you know, like, there's been so much conversations about, like, the calls and how they're calling stuff tighter. So I think that's going to be very interesting to see because I feel like that's always been the M.O. when it comes to me is just try to be super physical because it's kind of hard, I feel like, to ref. To ref post. Sometimes you don't know what's too physical or what's just post play. And so it's going to be very interesting to see that. But then also for me, making sure that make them have to guard me outside the pain as well.

[C]

So, I mean, I think it's the same, like, physicality, physicality. Like, I feel like that's always what I'm met with, obviously being a little bit on the slimmer side and on the shorter side. Like, I feel like that's probably what, you know, people do the most. Like, I get picked up full court, they're going to be physical coming off of screens. You know, they're going to be into me on the ball screen, anything like that. So I'm excited that freedom of movement is a point of emphasis.

[A]

Me too. As a slim. Me too. As a slim gym, I was hype

[C]

when they were like, I appreciate that. And not that it needs to be excessive. Like, I understand that's still part of the game, but I do think it like, kind of began to kind of start to cross a certain line. So, so excited about that. I know that was like, really important for the coaches over the off season that they wanted it cleaned up. And I think more than anything, it's going to make the product of the game a lot better too. Like, not that we need to be giving everybody every single call, but like, I think even like our game versus the Wings, the first game of the season, like, that was like, at the end of the day, like, sure, we're disappointed we lost, but that was like a really fun game. Like 107, 104 maybe. We both teams could have definitely played better defense. I, like, was talking to people after the game. I'm like, man, that was, like, such a great game for the W. It really just showcased, like, the talent level and how fun the game is to watch and you know where I think our game's going, so. But yeah, I think definitely the physicality is probably the number one point on the scouting report for myself.

[A]

All right, so your pick and roll, obviously, we have talked a hundred percent, and Aaliyah knows I'm all for post players being able to, like, dribble handoff, being able to do, like, you know, the. The backdoor pass, being able to set the ball screen, roll into the pocket, do all of those things. Obviously, we're on post mo show, so we're talking more post. What has impressed you about Aaliyah? Because obviously in unrivaled, she had the ball in her hands a lot more last year with, you know, with you being injured, she had the ball in her hands a lot more at the top of the floor. So what do you think you all both can unlock in your pick and roll? Because I do believe this duo could be a problem and will be a problem for the league if you guys just. I mean, that's going to be like the Yokage Murray pick and roll. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's call it what it is.

[C]

I mean, everything you just listed, AB can do. And I guess I think she's so dangerous. Like, there's nobody in my eyes in the league that plays her position that can do. Like, obviously there's post players in this league that can score, that can score, that can score, that can rebound, but AB can pass. Like, that's missing from a lot of people's games that play her position. And then also, like, her IQ is also taken for granted. Like, people don't understand. Like, she's just a smart player. Like, even today in practice, like, it was like, just an action that we run. We go, like, clear side dho and like, our post accidentally ended up over there, and it was like, immediate turned around to come back the other way. Any other player probably is going and doing, like, post to post handoff. And it's like, no, we never want that action. Please, like, come the other way. Me and Kelsey were sitting on the other side and, like, it was like, quick, immediate turnaround. Like, and it was like, sometimes you're just going to end up in different spots. But, like, AB noticed right away. So it's just like, her IQ and, you know, like, she was running point for us a lot of the time last year when I was. When I was out. So I think that's Kind of what separates her. And like you said, like, she reminds me of Jokic a lot. Like, she can pass, she communicates well, she defends, she rebounds, she scores. But I think for us and, like, in the pick and roll specifically, like, I think we're gonna, like, get better feel of, like, when AB's gonna hard dive, when she's gonna short roll, and then when she's gonna pop. And I think just our chemistry of, like, knowing when we're gonna do, like, those three, especially, like, now with her shot being as good as it is, we still kind of got to feel that out a little bit. And that will come, like, as we see how people are going to guard that, too. Like, are they just going to let her shoot threes all year? That probably won't be a good choice for them. Sniper.

[B]

Sniper.

[C]

So I think that is probably still our biggest area to grow is now that we have so many options, continuing to make sure we're on the same page. And it's not just hard dive, hard dive, hard dive every single time. Yeah, I think there's a lot for sure.

[B]

And I think once again, we already know, like, this girl's the best passer. Like, we already know this girl's the best passer. I think when you play with a guard like that and you roll, whether I hard roll or I pop, like, I know she's going to make the right read. And sometimes, too, that's calling her own number. Like, I think the way teams play, like, they. They're going to be over aggressive, and sometimes that means that she gets right downhill because they're going to be trying to fight over that screen. The big's probably going to be in drop, and she's going to see, like, free food, and she's gonna go, you know, and she's just gonna score. And so I think it's gonna be super excited because no matter what, like, I trust this girl with the ball in her hands. Are you kidding?

[C]

Candace, how would you guard us?

[A]

Oh, you coming with the questions? I like it. You know, I think for. For instance, I like just, like, the tough switch. So I like switch. And then, to be honest with you, you know, I would bring the. The double baseline for Aaliyah. So, you know, obviously, I would ice on this side, and then I would force her to her right shoulder on that side. Okay. Cause I got to scatter her point.

[B]

Elliott.

[A]

I got that right shoulder. Okay. All right. I'm gonna make you do it for 40, 40 minutes. I'm gonna make you do it. And Then. And then you. Caitlin, I think just down. I would make you downhill the entire, like, downhill just because, you know, like, it. It makes you tired. And so to be honest with you, to watch you all, because sometimes there's beauty in taking what the defense gives you. Because on the. On the defensive side, for me, I remember and Aaliyah and I have talked about this all the time, when sometimes there's a scouting report and the person's killing you, your pride kicks in, and then you stop with the scouting report. And so sometimes I think the thing I wish I did earlier in my career was really just take that. Like, even if that's something, you know, I want to get to this or I want to get to whatever, just like, take it. And then everybody. Then it messes up everybody's game plan. But. Okay, Caitlin, I like that question. What is the proudest moment thus far in both of Yalls career and your short.

[C]

Your short career of each other or, like, individually?

[A]

I think individually. Let's go individually.

[B]

I would say that's a great question. I would say being an all Star my rookie year because I felt like. I felt like even though I was the number one pick, there was still so many people that were just like, why are you the number one pick? Or like, you're not really doing anything. And so then to, like, come in or they thought I wasn't gonna do anything, then to come in and, like, make all Star. My first year, like, that was. That was like, a very high moment for me. I was in the clouds. I was excited for,

[C]

man.

[B]

Girls had too many.

[C]

No.

[B]

Girls had too many.

[A]

No. For real. In college. No. You're dubbing.

[B]

Oh, I already know what her in college moment is.

[C]

I'm just joking.

[A]

No, but she's actually not joking.

[C]

Let me tell you something.

[B]

So every day we do, like, breath work, and you write down certain stuff. And so when we started with our breath work, the doc was like, you know, this is. Write down, like, what's one of your best performance in your career? And then write down whatever I want you to know. I sit in the back row in the film room. Caitlyn turns around, looks at me, and goes, I wonder what my best performance was? And just stares at me. And I'm like, I Bet it was 41 points against South Carolina, wasn't it?

[A]

No. That's wild. That's wild.

[C]

She said in college, man, I don't know. I mean, I feel like it's similar to ab. Like, my rookie year, like, rookie of the year. My rookie year Like, I started, like, the first 10 games just felt like it was just so overwhelming. And, like, everything I did was under a microscope. And my first. My debut was, like, a little brutal. I had 10 turnovers. And, like, obviously, the USA team was announced in that span. Like, it was just one. One thing after the next. It felt like while I was trying to get my footing, I think we played 11 games in the first 20 days of the season. And so it was, like, a lot. But I felt like after Olympic break, like, I really got my footing in the league and just, like, proud of myself how I navigated that. And also, like, the second half of the year was so fun, and we were probably one of the best teams in the league. And I tell people this, I tell Steph this, because we played Connecticut, and it was when the format was still 2:1. Yeah. And we lost the first one by a good amount. And really, we should have won that second game in Connecticut, and I know we would have won the third if it was back home in Indiana, but we were the team that really nobody wanted to match up with, and we were the seven seed, I think, or whatever. But, yeah, I'm probably most proud of that. And obviously, I didn't get to play a lot last year, but, you know, hopefully we get to top that this year for the both of us.

[A]

I just remember watching you all play in Dallas after All Star break your rookie year, and I was like, yeah, she gonna be all right. Like, just watching the pace. No, like. Cause I think that there are players that make passes, and then there are players that develop the pass to make. And you could see that you had time, because a lot of people don't understand when you're the number one pick. Usually you're in the national championship game or you're in the final Four, and if you're not, you're not good.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Let's just call it what it is. Right? It's true. So you're not one pick. Then you get drafted, right? Then you go into training camp. There's no off time. So there's no time to, like, reset and, like, get back to, like, okay, the basics and, like, how do I get better and all those things. And so that Olympic break, I feel, like, helped you for sure. You know, get in the gym and actually be able to practice and not just get to the next game.

[C]

Yeah, 100% for sure.

[A]

Can we talk about just in terms of, like, obviously that first year faced a lot of pressure. It still hasn't let up. Like, what are the Pressures in living up to the expectations. Like, what do you do to kind of quiet your mind, get yourself away from everything, while also, you know, still loving the game of basketball?

[C]

Yeah, I think that's probably, like, the hardest part. Like, it's just, like, I obviously feel it. Like, I want to perform. And obviously being hurt last year, like, I feel like that adds, like, a whole nother level for me this year. Like, but at the same time, like, I've felt that all throughout my career, whether I was in college or whether I, like, now professionally. So I don't think it's like anything you ever shy away from. But also, like, I always try to remind myself, like, I'm not going to have it every single night. Like, we all have nights where you struggle. Like, that's just the game of basketball. Like, it's not always going to go your way. And, you know, I'm lucky enough to have a lot of really great teammates that, you know, make my life easy. And I always try to remind myself, like, obviously, this is easier said than done. Like, I can always impact the game if I'm not making a shot. Like, set your teammates up. Like, get your feet in the paint. Like, do whatever you can to make it easier for everybody else. And like I said, like, even though it is frustrating, like, you know how it is. Like, you want to make shots, like, everybody wants to make shots, but, like, find other ways to impact the game. And I think for myself, it's just like, you know, I try to, like, distance myself from, you know, everything online the best I can. Like, obviously, I'm in the know about a lot of stuff, but, like, when I get into the heat of the season, like, I'm very locked in on, like, what we need to do and, like, what our team's about and, you know, our locker room and whatever that is. I feel like I do, like, probably a lot of, like, meditation, a lot of breathing work. I journal a lot. You know, I have a sports psychologist that I work with, like, doing everything I can to make sure my mind's in the right place. Because, like, you have all the physical skills. Like, that's why you're in the league. Like, that's why you are one of 160 players or whatever it is now. Like, this is a really hard league to play in. It's, you know, just making sure your mind is right. And sometimes that's the harder part of it. Like, I always tell people this. Like, I feel like shooting, like, is way more mental, and, like, first of all, being in Good shape. Like, you can't be exhausted or, like you're shooting fundamentals are going to go to crap and just like your belief that you can make the shot. So I try. I try to work on my mind as. As much as I can, and I feel like a lot of people don't probably understand, like, how taxing a lot of the pressure and the spotlight can be at sometimes, but I would never change that for anything. Like, I love it, and I'm very blessed, and I'm very thankful that it has brought me a lot of really amazing things. It brought me Aaliyah, so that's pretty amazing.

[B]

So sweet. You think she just said that because we're on post moves?

[A]

I don't. Yeah, actually, I feel like. I feel like you're. There's, like, a whiteboard behind the camera, and I'm telling her, yes, they're telling her.

[C]

I love Aaliyah.

[A]

Well, listen, you all both. We throw around the word gravity a lot, and, you know, I think that the understanding that you all both have a gravity, which, regardless of whether you're making shots or missing shots, there's a gravity that comes with, like, being on the floor and understanding that power, especially early on in your career, I think helps with the games where you just. The shot's just not going in, but you're getting good looks. What do you do, both of you all? And I've asked Aaliyah this all the time. I've watched it, actually. I've watched it develop. What do you do after a missed shot or. Let's say you're having a tough game? What is your. Like, are you in your head? Like, you get your together or, like, you know, like, are you. Like, what are you. What are you telling yourself? Are you, like, next to play? Are you. What. What is.

[C]

I think you try to be, like, as next play as possible. Like, stay right in the middle. Like, I. I think a lot for myself, like, if I'm missing, like, threes, like, get downhill, get downhill, get downhill, get downhill. Get your feet in the paint. Get your feet in the paint. Because either I'm gonna get a layup or my teammate's gonna get a layup or an open three. Like, don't settle. Like, I try to remind myself of that. Or get to the free throw line. Like, see an easy one go in. It's. It's free. Like, go there and make it. Like, I think especially early in the game, like, get yourself easy ones to try to get going, and sometimes that's easier said than done. Like, when the long three opens up, I'm like, I got to shoot that. But I'm going to try to do a little bit better job of that this year. But yeah, I think, I think for myself, like, that's always what I try to say. Obviously there's moments of like, you suck. But that's any athlete. Like, you have those crash out moments, but you try to stay right in the middle. And I think we've done, like, a good job. And obviously Kelsey too, and my teammates, like, just build each other up. Like, that can go a long way. And your belief that you have in your teammates, like, that, that means the world too.

[B]

So I'm definitely getting better. But I usually start there. Like, I usually start at, you suck sometimes.

[C]

I know, like, and she. You just leave ab alone.

[B]

She literally knows.

[C]

You just let her do her thing. And she doesn't want to hear it

[B]

from anyone right now. Because sometimes it's just like, why? Like, I just don't get, like, it's the easy ones. Like, if I'm like missing jumpers, I'm like, okay, whatever. But it's like when I get two feet in the paint and it's a touch shot off a spin move or front of it, I'm like, oh, no, this is silly. This is. This is a joke. Like, there's no way that I'm. No, there's no way. Like, there's no way. But this year, though, we don't even do that. Like, I don't even do that. Remember, remember maturity.

[C]

Remember?

[B]

I don't even do that at Candace. Why are you.

[C]

Or now?

[A]

Because, I mean, we, we watched. We watched unrivaled.

[B]

Like, no, no, but this is. Yeah, no, but this is like new.

[C]

We're approaching a quarter of a century, both of us. So 24, going on 25 here a little bit. So we've chosen maturity.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You can rent a car without paying a bunch of money extra. That's great. Okay, so can I give you guys. Can I offer some advice?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. There is a word that some of my closest teammates, especially Kalia Copper, Chelsea Gray, Christy Toliver, Me and Neca had it as well, where it was like, we were able to like, approach you. Like, there was a word we said that no matter what, no matter if you're crashing out or whatever, you gotta like, listen. And we would always. And it would be a funny word or something like that, and that would like split the switch of like, okay, I have your attention. You're good. Like, you're gonna you're gonna get the next one type of thing. So y' all gotta come up with a. With a funny word. And ab is gonna. Well, don't tell us the word, but.

[C]

Yeah, you could tell this.

[A]

It was funny. Yeah, sure. You guys will come up with a hilarious word.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Is both of you all's dream assist. Oh, dream assist to anybody.

[B]

Oh, that's a good one.

[C]

Candace.

[B]

What? I don't know. I feel like if it was, like. If I, like, paint touch, and it was like, kick out three for the win.

[C]

Yeah. I was thinking, like. Like, win games seven of the finals. Yeah, like, that's what I'm thinking.

[A]

You guys get into game seven. Wow. You don't want to just end it in four. That's what I'm like, Fever and four.

[C]

Yeah, we're being realistic here.

[B]

But.

[C]

Yeah, I think, like, But Game seven, buzzer beater, av.

[A]

That would be insane. That.

[C]

That's. Yeah, it has to be Game 7, because that just adds to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But also, if that happens, that's gonna be incredible.

[B]

We're gonna run insane.

[A]

We're gonna run this back. We're gonna run this back.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Cry.

[A]

We're going to run this back.

[C]

This clip will go viral.

[B]

Save it.

[C]

Clip it.

[A]

It will. We will clip it, and we will revisit this. Okay, so obviously, in the league, you have teammates that were opponents that become teammates. Aaliyah had to welcome you to the squad when you had 41 on their head.

[B]

No option.

[A]

She had to. And this year, obviously, Raven is coming to the squad. Yeah. How is that? Like, how is the. What is the first. Like, Aaliyah. Okay. Caitlin, clearly gonna be the number one pick coming to the team. Was it like, hey, welcome to Fever.

[C]

Hey, Lynn Dunn, don't you dare draft her.

[B]

It's actually so funny, though, because people,

[C]

we don't talk about it. Like, I don't know, it kind of.

[B]

I feel like we had, like, some moments where I was like, dan, you really didn't have to drop my head. But, like, outside of that, it's like, you just know, like, I knew she was gonna be the number one pick, and I was like, dang, that girl really took us out the championship game. Like, we really could have won, but, like, what are we doing? But then it's kind of like you show up and you're like, okay, we're teammates. Like, now we just have to figure out the playing the other part. But it's actually. It's actually kind of just funny because,

[C]

like, we just joke about it. Yeah. I just joke about South Carolina with, like, Raven and AB and they love it. I always say, like, go, Cox.

[B]

Go, Cogs.

[A]

I join them cocks up. That's what I learned.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

See?

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

I mean, like, you don't, like, know people until, like. And it's, like, fun. Like, Raven's great. Like, she's so fun in her locker room, and she would say the same. And, I mean, it's not like we're all reminiscing on our college days together. Like, we have more important things going on. I guess. So I feel like we probably leave that behind, but. Yeah.

[A]

Well, this upcoming year, do we get any, like, friendly wages of, like, hey, if Iowa gets farther or if there's a. Well, actually, I'm not doing that. I'm not doing that with.

[B]

Aaliyah knows, like, exactly. She doesn't. She knows because, like, Tennessee, they. You know, they. They have a hard time, and this is what we're doing, and we've had

[C]

a lot of hard time.

[A]

She said, this is what we're doing.

[B]

We can't even wager anything because it's like, where are they gonna be? You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yeah, that's.

[A]

But anyways, I mean, not Caitlyn. Not Caitlyn saying, yeah, yeah, because she knows. Because.

[B]

No, you know, this is crazy. No, it's the truth, though.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's wild.

[B]

And we got big O. So it's like. Okay. What? Oh, sorry. Too soon. That's fine.

[A]

Okay. All right, we're gonna switch to the. My favorite part. Actually, I was gonna skip this part, but because Aaliyah once has jokes, we're going to go to it. Hey, Caitlin, can you demonstrate, slash, talk through one of Aaliyah's crash outs? Like, if you're Aaliyah and something happens, she gets, let's say, an office.

[B]

Are you kidding me?

[A]

And she doesn't. It's immediate mouthpiece.

[C]

Immediate mouthpiece is coming out. Because I'm like, first of all, do not get that spit on me. The poor ref is just getting, like.

[B]

Because, like, it's a bad call. I do take it out immediately.

[C]

That's why I don't play with a mouthpiece in. Because it's like, it's hard to breathe

[B]

and it's hard to even yell quick

[C]

enough, and I have to talk a lot.

[A]

Yeah. And then it's like, you're putting your hand in your mouth.

[C]

Yeah. She keeps it in pretty well. Some people are constant, like, out.

[B]

Mine's pretty good. Unless we're in, like, A timeout or, like, example. I have to talk nicely.

[C]

I will say, like, when AB is crashing out, she knows. Like, obviously a lot of us know all the refs names, but some, like, you know better than others. But AB is always, like, using their name. It's not like, that's a bad call. It's like, Joe Horrible Claw. I don't think we have a Joe. I'm trying to think of somebody we

[A]

don't have, but Joe, that's.

[C]

It's always first name and then, like, keep saying their name.

[B]

No, you're right. No, that's. That's actually a really good.

[C]

I was gonna say somebody's name, but

[B]

I'm like, I don't want to do that.

[A]

I think we all. I think we all know.

[B]

Yeah, you're probably gonna say yeah, though.

[C]

I am a.

[B]

Like, I want to use your name so you know I'm talking about you.

[A]

I was gonna do Banana Fit Banana fan of Faux Fanna. But I won't because it's. Yeah, it's normal. Hey, can we, you know. Okay. Because Caitlin, you guys, you know, you crash out sometimes.

[B]

No, she does.

[A]

You've crashed out sometimes, however.

[C]

Well, I was like, looking with Lexi because Lexi got a technical game and I didn't even talk to the refs at all, barely in the first game. So I'm like, Lexi, that really says a lot about you now that you have a technical, and I don't like that. Is that rock bottom in your life?

[B]

Honestly, Caitlin's crash outs, like, she will just you talk.

[A]

Can you demonstrate? Can you demonstrate?

[B]

Keep going.

[A]

Can you demonstrate, Caitlyn?

[B]

Yeah. She'll, like, walk up to them and she'll be like, are you kidding me? Like, they. And I'll be like. And I have to grab her and we have to walk away. And then I'm like, grabbing her and she's turning around to look at them, and she's still talking smack. I'm like, go to walk away. Walk away.

[C]

And she's like, go sit down, please.

[A]

So can you do one of. Can you do one of her. Oh, this is Ab right here. She pushed me.

[C]

That was crazy.

[A]

Oh, not the last little.

[C]

Did you guys know I did that to AB for pushing me? I said, ab, never again. Never pushed me again.

[B]

And then after that, though, the clip cuts, but I go talk to the ref and I'm like, hey, I'm just trying to understand. My girl needs a foul call.

[C]

No. She's like, I'm so sorry about her.

[B]

I'm like, she needs a Foul call. Please, please. Let's look at the next possession.

[C]

I forget that was pre season, but

[A]

there also was a clip where Stephanie White pushes, I think, you away. Oh, yeah.

[B]

And then she just crashes out on her rep. Like, she goes, ham, Which I appreciate.

[C]

And she like.

[A]

But she was like, no, no, no, no. Like, let it go, let it go, let it go.

[C]

Then she was like, yeah, coach always says, like, let me do the complaining. Let me do the complaining. I don't want you to complain, but

[A]

can we see the video of Caitlin De escalating Aaliyah's crush? Can we see that video there?

[C]

Right?

[A]

Can we see that video?

[C]

Oh, well, yeah, I wasn't playing.

[A]

Oh, look at her face.

[B]

Like, what did I say?

[C]

I'm laughing.

[A]

Not what did I say.

[B]

But she must have made a terrible call. Like, are you kidding me?

[A]

I. What?

[C]

No, no, no.

[B]

Not you. Not you.

[A]

Oh, I was like, what did I do? That's. That's actually one of my favorite.

[C]

It's hilarious. And when you're like, not. It's different perspective when you're on the bench and you don't have your uniform on. Like, you're just don't, like, the competitive fire of, like, actually playing a game and being so locked in. Like, that just takes over. And so, like, I forget what you did, but it was hilarious. I was like, you're insane.

[A]

Well, we got to talk about this pre game routine. How it started, who started it, who came up with it? Okay.

[C]

I don't even know how it's. Yeah. Do we do this from game one?

[B]

I don't. I don't remember. I feel it just happened. I swear. It just was like.

[C]

I think we always. I think we started by always, like, hugging each other on the bench. And then I always. I started talking, and then I just kept saying the same thing over.

[B]

Yeah. And now it's just like. Like, I need it before. Like, before every game. Like, I. Like, I have to have it.

[C]

Like, yeah. Like, it's not. The game's not gonna go well.

[B]

No, we have to. It just has to happen.

[C]

Not that every game goes well, but

[B]

if we do that, it's, like, already starting.

[C]

Well, yeah.

[A]

It's the ritual. I love it. I love it. Okay, so, Kailyn, this is that I have with AB is the fact that she took the bag and left nothing for everybody else, but she doesn't want to pick up the check. I don't know if you saw One of my best. April Fool. April Fool.

[C]

She hasn't asked me out to dinner yet.

[A]

Okay, but did you see my April Fool's prank? I don't know if you saw it. It was epic. I'll show it to you later. So basically, I made it seem like they were doing nil retroactive pay for South Carolina.

[C]

Oh, I think I did see this.

[A]

She was going to get 1.7 million. And then I waited till the end of the episod episode to actually tell her. She agreed to pay the check. She was like, yeah, I got it. I got it, I got it. And then at the end of the episode, she was like, no, I revoked that. I'm not paying the check. So if you were to go out to dinner and the check comes and it's laid in the middle of the table.

[B]

Oh, I'll put my card down.

[A]

She loves you. She absolutely loves you because it's so nice. That's crazy, because she's, like, epic.

[C]

She had to sue.

[B]

Whatever.

[C]

She's on that till 2029. 2029? Yeah, till 2029.

[B]

Hey, I love playing with you.

[C]

Yeah. Well, I'm only signed till.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, we'll. Don't worry about that.

[C]

Well, next year.

[B]

Don't worry about that. We'll figure that out.

[C]

Unless I sign my f. Don't worry about that.

[A]

Don't play around here. It's. It's technicalities at this point. All right, who would win a fight, Hawkeye or a gamecock?

[C]

What's a game? Exactly. Yeah.

[A]

I don't know. I think it's like a fighting. It's a fighting.

[C]

Oh, exactly.

[A]

Sorry. I'm, like, so mature.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Can. Can a gamecock fly? I mean, they can fight, but can they fly?

[B]

But they can fight.

[C]

Yeah. So I don't know. I think the Hawkeye would win. Put it to the test.

[B]

Yeah, let's.

[A]

We're trying to continue a show and continue everything. We do not need animal activists coming for us. Okay. Start Bing live.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I posted the next episode.

[A]

Something is wrong with both of y'.

[C]

All.

[A]

All right, start. Bench. Cut. Layup, free throw. Three point shot, slash. 30 footer. Aaliyah, you're gonna start.

[B]

I feel like I'll start my layups, obviously. I think her layups.

[A]

That's wild. Not a layup. Just not a layup.

[C]

My.

[A]

Hurry ups.

[B]

I think. I think I'll bench. Hear me out. I think I'll bench the. The three pointers, and I'll cut the free throws. Now hear me out. You're like, free throws are free, but I feel like that actually has the most pressure of anything in the Entire world when layups and threes, you just have fun with it, you know?

[C]

Know. Okay.

[A]

That's an interesting way of looking at

[B]

it, don't you think?

[C]

I don't know. I would probably start layups. Probably not the answer people want to hear. I would actually bench free throws and cut threes.

[A]

Really?

[C]

You would cut threes? Well, I mean, what perspective are we looking at this and, like, the perspective you want?

[A]

I mean.

[C]

I mean, those are the hardest to make, so.

[B]

Yeah, but not for you. But, dude, I bet.

[C]

I mean, yeah, I shoot better percentage on layups. I hope.

[A]

I'm just like, I'm gonna turn on this.

[C]

Okay, fine.

[A]

I'm like, I'm gonna turn on, but starting at threes. 3.

[C]

Is that what everybody wants to hear? Great. Start a deep three.

[B]

No, I think you could have cut

[C]

the free throws, but, like, I need to. I need to shoot more free throws. Like, I need to get to the free throw line more.

[B]

Okay, fine.

[C]

This is personal. This is how I feel right now.

[B]

Okay, fine.

[A]

I'm. I'm. I'm really confused because I. I turn on the State Farm commercial.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And you're shooting three. Yeah, you're shooting. So.

[C]

Okay, well, that's like.

[A]

That commercial is really going to hit with layouts.

[C]

The state logo makes it easy to make the 30 footers, but when I don't have the State Farm logo, it's. It's hard. That's sponsored by Safet.

[A]

It probably will be after this.

[C]

Let's see.

[A]

All right, so you're. Obviously, all of us are very competitive people. Where did this come from? Like, where did your competitive drive and both of you, like, where did the competitive drive come from?

[C]

I mean, I think it's something that I was, like, born with, first of all, like, just, like, a competitive spirit, competitive nature, and, like, I always grew up around sports, and I love sports. And I had an older brother that played a bunch of sports. And. And in my neighborhood, I grew up with. And it was, like, literally only boys. So, like, those are the people that I hung out with was, like, older boys. And, like, that was all I knew. It wasn't something that I thought was different. Like. Cause that's just how I was raised. And those are the people that I wanted to hang out with. I want to do whatever my older brother was doing. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out with them. And they, like, picked on me. They bullied me, but it made me who I am today. So I think that's, like, where that competitive spirit came From. And, like, you know how you, like, go to your soccer game when you're like, five? I was the kid that was, like, keeping score. And, like, the parents are like, yeah, six.

[A]

Six.

[C]

I'm like, no, we aren't tying. Like, everybody doesn't get a trophy.

[B]

That's how I was. So I. I played against boys, too. But when we would. And there was, like, maybe three girls, and, like, I had a friend, and we would obviously play in, like, little league together. And I forgot one time, like, we were playing at each other, and my mom's like, oh, if you win, like, I'll get you this. And so my friend lost, and her mom's like, it's okay. Like, we'll still get you that. And I was like, that's not how it works. I was like, she lost. She does not. We don't do participation trophies. Like, you don't just get to get a trophy. No, you don't get it. And then my mom was like, aaliyah, that's mean. And I was like, it makes sense. Like, not everyone gets a trophy.

[C]

No, they don't.

[A]

So I. I am. Listen, I'm with you, because that's how everybody.

[C]

Not everybody can get a trophy. Everybody can get a free concession stand voucher, go get you a snow cone,

[B]

get you a snack, get some snow

[A]

cone, get you some popcorn, but you're still getting a reward trophy.

[C]

But you can have a free snow cone.

[A]

But here's the issue. Here's the thing that I have that I struggle with because I grew up. I grew up like you all, where I was super competitive. Wait.

[C]

I have a bone to pick.

[A]

Oh, what happened?

[C]

You didn't come to Iowa. That's ridiculous.

[A]

Yo, both my parents. I know. I went on a visit to Iowa.

[C]

I'm not just saying that. Yeah, no.

[A]

Like, I. I went on a visitor.

[C]

Loved talking about that like it was her favorite.

[A]

But you know what the crazy thing is? Is that Iowa did not recruit my older brother. And so my dad had, like, a vendetta against Iowa because they did not recruit him. And so he was mad. So when I was coming up, he was like. He was like, you're not going to Iowa. And I was like, well, wow. Like, that's crazy. But anyway. Yeah, I had.

[C]

Anyway. Sorry.

[A]

Shorts and all that. No, you're fine.

[C]

Keep going.

[A]

But. But soccer. Like, I grew up playing soccer and super competitive. Like, grew up playing volleyball, basketball, like, everything. Like you. I had older brothers that I wanted to be like and. And got bullied, and everything was competitive. But now, as a parent, my kids aren't the most competitive, and I say kids, and I'm really talking about one, and it's fine. Like, she. We go home from games, and, like, she's cool. Like, she wants to win, but it's not like that, you know? Psycho. No, I was mad for the rest of the day. So it's like, it's a. It's a. There's a difference in comp.

[C]

But maybe she's cool with that. Like, maybe she, like, yeah, that's what I'm. She doesn't want a trophy.

[B]

Like, she wants a concession stand for snow.

[C]

Like, she's fine with that, and that's okay.

[A]

Like, she's competitive. It's just. She knows, like, how to turn it off, if that makes sense. And I feel like we'd never. I never could turn it off.

[C]

I wish I could sometimes, too.

[A]

So I admire that, like, the balance of it, but I am kind of like. But do you really want the snow cone?

[B]

Like, because the trophy, like, yeah, shiny.

[A]

Hey, you were. You were a really good soccer player growing up. I'm big on. Everybody should play soccer.

[C]

I love soccer.

[A]

And your foot speed and all of that comes from that. Like, what can you say? Like, would you have continued? My parents killed my dreams because they told me I was going to be 6:2, and there were no 6:2 soccer players. So what. What was that decision? Nah, I'm not putting my face.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

Okay, that's valid. I mean, like, I love soccer growing up, and, like, I probably could have played in college, too, and it was just like, really hard in the state of Iowa. Like, soccer was during the spring, and so. So was AAU basketball, and I was, like, leaving for some USA Basketball stuff, and I missed part of the year of high school soccer, and then I'd come back, and I just, like, I felt like a bad teammate. So eventually I gave it up after my sophomore year. But I loved it. Like, it was so fun. I grew up playing club soccer. I think, like, the best thing it did for me, obviously, like, foot speed, but also, like, reading angles. Like, that's literally all that's like, what soccer is, is, like. Like getting your body in the correct angle, leading people on passes, putting the ball in the perfect spot, like, where they're gonna can run onto. So I think that, like, has helped me as a passer, like, understanding angles and like, leading people manipulating where I want them to go, things like that. And then obviously, like, it allowed me to be in really incredible shape for. For basketball. So Like, I would always just be running, running, running around. But, yeah, I loved it. I would. I got quite a few yellow cards. I know that's probably not very shocking.

[A]

No. And it was dumb.

[C]

In the state of Iowa, if you get a yellow car, you get a 15 minute timeout. You had to go sit on the bench for 15 minutes and you still

[A]

got a bunch of yellow cards. She went to. She went to the concessions and got the snow cone. That's what she did during that.

[C]

I love soccer. It was. It was so fun. I miss it. But basketball turned out okay, so, I

[A]

mean, I would say. Did you play any other sports, Aaliyah?

[B]

Yeah, I did tennis.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna be a tennis star.

[A]

Okay. Venus. Venus and Serena.

[B]

Thank you.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Did you grow up? You grew up a Lynx fan. Maya Moore was your favorite player. So, like, what can you remember about the Lynx? And. Yeah, like, I mean, watching the WNBA at that point in time, so obviously

[C]

it's like the closest team to the state of Iowa. So, like, that's just, like, was the natural draw. It obviously didn't, like, hurt me that they were amazing too. Like, that was just an easy team to root for. And my first jersey was actually Rebecca Brunson.

[A]

Oh, shoot.

[C]

Rebounding. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So that was my first jersey. It was pro because I got it for free. I probably, like, obviously love Rebecca Brunson, but, like, I wanted a Maya Moore jersey. I'm just gonna be honest. Love Rebecca Brunson. Don't get me wrong. I love the jersey. Wanted the Maya Moore jersey. But, like, Lindsey Whalen, like, those teams were just so loaded. Like, they were so good. My first wnba. WNBA game, they played the Storms like Sue Bird, like, obviously just their dominance. And as a young kid, like, obviously the WNBA was on ESPN some, but it wasn't as widely accessible as it is now. So, like, a lot of the times if you wanted to see a WNBA game, you're either going in person or you're watching, like, playoffs or, like, the finals or something like that. It just wasn't as widely accessible. So I think it's just really cool how much. How much more accessible it is for people now. But I would go to games as a kid. It was. It was pretty fun. But then obviously, when I got into college, Lindsey Whalen was the coach at Minnesota. So, like, that was kind of a full circle moment for me too, like, playing against her. And she doesn't mind that I'm gonna say this, but we beat on. Beat up on our teams pretty good. They weren't very good.

[A]

Yeah. The Gophers, Yeah.

[C]

They struggled a little bit, but, like, it was pretty cool. Like, my first time playing her and looking across the court and she's coaching the other team, one of the best point guards of all time. That's pretty cool. So.

[A]

Yeah, no, for sure. I mean, obviously, we had a number of battles with the Lynx. They were ridiculous. They still run the same sets. It's just not the same personnel. Cheryl Reeves. I was like, it's not hitting the same without Sylvia Fowles ducking in. Maya coming off the stagger. Yeah. Simone coming off the curl.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It was crazy. Yeah, for sure. But you almost. You almost went to Notre Dame.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But you wanted to stay close to home.

[C]

Yeah, I was almost part of the fight in Irish, you know.

[A]

So what was that decision? Like, like, you committed there or you.

[C]

Yeah, I told Muffet McGraw I was going to go there, and then I had a caller be like, you know, actually not changed my mind. Oh, going to be a Hawk.

[A]

So what was that? Like, you just decided you wanted to stay home? Like, how?

[C]

Like, I. I, like. I tell people this. I, like, wanted to go to Notre Dame. Like, it's Notre Dame, like, obviously their tradition. And, like, I grew up watching, like, Skyler Diggin, and, like, I was even in, like, high school or, like, about to start high school when AR made those two game winners. Like, that was like, a core memory for me. Like, Yukon, they were just so dominant. I just. And, like, when you're from the Midwest, like, it's like, Notre Dame, like, you know how it is. Like, it's, like, the greatest place ever, and, like, so much history and tradition, and Muffett's one of the best coaches of all time. And I, like, always loved Notre Dame and thought I would, like, go there if I ever had the opportunity. And so, like, I was like. Like, I want to go there. Like, it's like, seven hours away. Like, it's, you know, driving distance. But then I was like, something was just telling me, like, that was just not the right place for me. And I love the idea of going to a school that obviously had been to the final four in 1992 or 1993. I might have the year wrong, but

[A]

I'm like, damn, you weren't even born.

[C]

I was born in 2002.

[A]

I'm like, she was not someone younger

[B]

than me on the pod. Yes.

[C]

And I just like, obviously, Iowa was good. They'd been to sweet 16s, had gone to the elite eight with Megan Gustafson. Like. But I, like, loved the idea of, like, staying home and, like, trying to take a place that meant a lot to me and, like, the state of Iowa to somewhere they hadn't been in a really long time. Like, that was always my goal. That's what I talked about. And so I was like, yeah, sorry, Muffet.

[B]

I. I'm actually not messed up.

[A]

That was awkward. Yeah, that's awkward.

[C]

I was so scared.

[A]

Like, I mean, people do it all the time now, but back then. I mean, I say back then, like, yeah, you know, relatively. But back then you didn't, like, change your mind, like. No, people do now.

[C]

Yeah. Now it's like, you, like, it's the norm to come to five places like,

[B]

you got, and then see who raises the price. Yeah.

[A]

No, it's so true. Trust me. Yeah, trust me. We know at Tennessee. So my heart is still hurt. No, no, no. Love loss, but my heart is still. Is still hurt. So what was that like in terms of stepping onto campus and, you know, being where you wanted to be? You know what I mean? Like, knowing that you're putting on this jersey. You wanted this challenge.

[C]

Yeah. Well, it was so interesting because my first year was Covid, so it's like, I didn't really, like, play in front of anybody. It was just, like, family and friends and, like, we were pretty good. We, like, there wasn't a lot expected of us. Like, we were young, starting a lot of young players, and we made it to the NCAA tournament, which was an experience within itself at the Bubble. We were staying at the La Quinta in San Antonio. The La Quinta Inn in suites. They served us hot dogs for breakfast one morning.

[B]

That's actually so sad.

[C]

NCAA served us hot dogs. I opened my door.

[B]

Terrible.

[C]

Mind you, you're not supposed to be hanging out with your teammates. So. Yeah, I was in my room all night. I opened my door. Door. I'm like, I'm hungry. I'm looking forward to my meal.

[B]

No, you're gonna get a glizzy.

[C]

Actually, it was a tin foil pan. I have a picture. Me and my teammates still have a picture a of hot dogs with a bun at 8am at the Linta. Playing around. Yeah. So we had coach run over to Denny's on the corner, get us some breakfast.

[B]

A pancake.

[C]

Like, literally.

[A]

Just give me a grand salad.

[C]

Anything that's edible. Coach, bring that back. So anyway, we played.

[B]

Food was so crazy.

[C]

Like, people thought the weight room situation was bad. The food was actually more. That was way worse as well. Anyway, so we make it through our first game, I think we played. We played, like, Central Michigan beat them, and then we played Kentucky, and at the time, they were, like, really good. Ryan Howard, obviously.

[A]

Ryan Howard. Yep.

[C]

And we played at some, like, small, like, D2 school. Like, no one there. It was like a shooter's gym. Like, it was tiny. And we, like, honestly destroyed them. Like, we played really well. Made it to the Sweet 16 my freshman year. I remember that. Played UConn, obviously didn't go very well. I mean, it was fine, but they were really good. I think they won the. No, they didn't. They lost to Arizona.

[A]

They lost on a last second. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Or no, it was Aerie Arie McDonald.

[C]

Yes. Arizona. Yeah. But, like, making it to the Sweet 16, my. My freshman year was, like, I think, like, way exceeded expectations. Like, felt we were on track for what we wanted to accomplish. And then my second year, we got upset at home in the round of 32, and I feel like that was like, almost like. I look back at my room, I'm like, who? Creighton.

[A]

That's right. We, like, caught fire from 3, right?

[C]

Yeah. And we always would scrimmage them before the season in, like, a close scrimmage. And so when we got that draw, we were like, like, oof. Like, they're hard to guard, like, five shooters. Like, they run a ton of action. They screen well.

[B]

If you were wondering, though, that your South Carolina did be. Crayton.

[A]

Hey.

[C]

Nice, nice, nice, nice, nice, nice. That's so awesome.

[B]

Tournament. And we continue.

[C]

Did you win it all?

[B]

Win it all that year? I was wondering.

[C]

Give it up for me.

[A]

That's.

[B]

That's amazing.

[C]

Anyway, so I feel like that actually gave us the fire that we needed to beat South Carolina the next year.

[B]

We don't live in the past, though. Anyway, that's the thing. Congratulations.

[C]

Made it to the final Four. Made it to the national championship. Championship game the next two years. Obviously didn't win at all.

[B]

Who won that. That last year, though?

[C]

Do you.

[B]

Do you remember?

[C]

Yeah. We chalk it up to. They were a good team. No one was gonna beat them up. Baby happy for him.

[A]

But honestly, I. I look at this as. And all of us have had, like, influential female coaches, which I think is so important. You know, Coach Summit meant so much to me in my development, as in my game, of course, but, like, as a human being, like, on the court, the way she carried herself. It seems like both of you all have that type of leadership from your head coach. What was that like in that development? Like, can you share a Funny story about stubbornness because, like, I mean, we're 18 to 22 year old years old, we're competitive, we want the same things, but sometimes we need help getting there.

[C]

Yeah, I think that's probably, like, what I loved about Coach Bluder the most is, like, she held me accountable more than anyone else, and, like, if we lost, it was on me. And maybe at the time, especially early in my career, I was like, why is she yelling at me all the time?

[A]

I had 37 points.

[C]

Yeah, I'm like, coach, I'm trying. Like, but then you come to, like, realize as your career goes on, like, first of all, you want to be held accountable the most if you're the best player. Like, that sets an example for everybody else, and she wants you to be the best that you can be, too. And, like, she always. She believed in me when really nobody else didn't. Like, she also was the probably the only other person that thought we could ever make it to the Final Four when I stepped on campus. So just really thankful for her and, like, the way she always challenged me. And, you know, also, like, if we would have never made it to the Final Four, she would have loved me the exact same way and been just as proud of me because she cares way, way more about me as a person than as a basketball player. But. But lucky enough, we got to do both. And I think that a lot of that is because of how much she poured into me as a human, and I'm just really thankful for that.

[B]

Yeah, that's so nice. I feel like that's the same with Coach Daley, though. Like, we'd go through moments where if we lost the game, like, Coach Daily would start with me as to what we didn't do well. And, like, there were times where she'd

[C]

be yelling at me that, like, one time a year where South Carolina doesn't win a game.

[B]

Exactly. That she'd find her way to me. I'd go to, like, Coach Fred's office. I'd be like, I don't know why she's yelling at me. And he'd be like, you're okay. You know exactly why. Like, this just how she. Like, she knows exactly what to say to pull out exactly what she needs out of you. And it was in that moment, it's like, the hardest thing because you're like, dang, I don't know what else I can do. But now I look at it and I'm like, wow. Like, thank God for her. Seriously. Like, she's the best.

[A]

So I have to say this just because, you know, like, a lot of times with coaches, they have to. There's, like, the art of war, and there's the war of art, right? And the coaches have to have the balance of, like, allowing you to crash the car because you're so great, but also kind of like, being like, hey, let's go, like, 75, 80 miles per hour. Let's not go 85, 100. You know what I mean? And I think Coach Summit, early on in my career, like, I wanted to dribble, and I wanted to, like, do all these things, and that wasn't what was the game then, she said. But she was, like, so, like, little by little, she gave me more and more with the expectations and with the. The challenges that I met. And with my left hand, like, I would always try to do stuff far away from the basket with my left hand. And I know that was a point of emphasis with her, but she allowed it, right? And then as I grew in my senior year, it was kind of like, all right, you got the reigns. The same thing with you, kayn. Like, the logo 3, right? You pull up on campus to some places, and they would be like, we don't do that here. Yeah, we don't do that here. So where did that.

[C]

That.

[A]

Like, how did that trust come in? Where did that come from? I mean, obviously, you hit him, so, yeah, that helped. But where is she, like, giving you the nod of approval? Because when you get the nod, if you miss, you know, like, yeah, you know, you got that.

[C]

I mean, I think she. I first. I think it, like, kind of came with, like, the evolution of my game, too. Like, I didn't, like, show up to campus and, like, shoot from off the dribble, like, 35ft, like, all the time. Like, I didn't always do that. Like. Like, I think the way people started to guard me, like, it just. I had to do that. I got stronger in the weight room. But also, like, I think she saw it a lot in practice. Like, we had some, like, legendary practices where I would, like, go off and, like, I always tell people this. Like, I loved practicing at Iowa because we literally played the entire time. Like, and as a kid, like, you love that. Like, you just want to go out there and, like, we weren't a big drill university. Like, we just. We just. We got up and down. So, like, she knew what people were good at. And trust me, there was a lot of moments where she was like, no, like, we're not shooting that. That's a bad shot. You can Get a better one. Like, there was still plenty of those moments. It wasn't like, oh, like, Caitlyn gets to do whatever she wants. Like, no. Like, it was never that. Like, she would still hold me accountable. But also, I think she did always make a point. Like, a great shot for someone is not always a great shot for somebody else. Like, everybody has their own skills, and I thought she did a really good job of making that a point. Not in a way to, like, shame people or bring somebody up, but just, like, that's the reality. Like, there are some things that other people did that, you know, I wasn't gonna do either. Like, that's just how it works. So I thought she was really good at that. But, yeah.

[B]

Sniper.

[C]

Fun story, though. I. I actually saw Pat Summit coach her very last game.

[A]

How many people know that?

[C]

It was in Des Moines, Iowa.

[A]

Y.

[C]

It was at the.

[A]

Oh, sweet 16.

[B]

Was it?

[C]

It was Vers. Brittany Griner Bay, right. Baylor.

[A]

Yep. It was in the lead aid.

[C]

I think Elite 8, or. I think it was the go to the Final Four.

[A]

Yeah, it was Elite eight, because I. I remember her walking off and waving.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. So that's my claim to fame that I was.

[A]

That's unbelievable.

[C]

I saw Pat Summit coacher.

[A]

That's amazing that you were at so many of these things as a kid.

[C]

Like, I. I mean, I emphasize fortunate. Yeah.

[A]

No, but, like, also being a student of the game, like, you can tell people that play the game because they're good at basketball, and you can tell people that actually really watch the game and want to, like, follow it no matter what.

[C]

Yeah. So. Because obviously, like, it was a big deal that we got to host, like, a regional site in Iowa. Like, we don't get to do that very much. Occasionally we get, like, some women's games or a lot of the times, we would get a lot of the men's games. So it was a big deal when we got to be able to host that. The Sweet 16 and Elite 8. So my dad, I remember, took me, and it was. It was really cool. Yeah, I remember Brittney Greiner and Pat Summitt. And Pat Summitt's very last game. So that was. That was super special.

[A]

Well, since we're sharing, do you remember me zooming your team before I do your junior year? Lisa Bluder hit me up and asked me to speak with you. You guys.

[C]

That was so nice of you to say. Yes. You didn't even.

[A]

I. I had Hawkeyes on my Hawkeye.

[C]

And your love. Candace, like, loves Candace. Like, she likes Candace more than she likes me.

[A]

Lies serious. She's so. She's so sweet. She was always great with my parents.

[C]

And that was before my junior year, Right.

[A]

I think it was before your junior year. Yeah, it was before you guys went to the final.

[C]

To the final four. Like, I mean, spoke to us.

[B]

And that's so weird, Candace.

[A]

But you know what the hardest. But you know what the hardest thing is? Coach Staley never asked me to. But. But you know what the hardest thing about being on this side? Because no, honestly, you know what the hardest thing is? Is the fact that I remember as a, as a player, like, looking at broadcasters picks or looking at other people's picks and being mad when they'd pick them. And then the coach would be like, they. She didn't pick us. And then everybody would hate the person that she said that they didn't pick. But it's like when somebody hands you a bracket and you're picking a bracket, like, you're not. But you're not realizing you're being used as fuel.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In locker room. So that's the toughest part. Not that you guys asked, but that's the toughest part about broadcasting because I remember a couple girls on your team coming up and, like, you zoomed us, but you didn't pick us to go to the final four. And I'm like, all right, well, you're welcome. Motivation.

[C]

I love about you, Candace, though. And like, I feel like this is something that is very lost right now, especially on the women's side, is like, like, you just tell the game how it is.

[B]

You just keep it a buck. I say this all the time.

[C]

Like, I'm serious. Like, you, like, and it's never in a disrespectful way. Like, it's. You're just going to talk about the game of, like, how you see it and it's right. Like, that's like, you should be like, oh, like, she wasn't very good tonight. That doesn't mean you're a bad player. That just means you weren't very good tonight. Like, and I really appreciate about that about you. Like, I feel like you have a very, like, unbiased way of looking at basketball. And, like, I sometimes I feel like that's a little bit lost, obviously, media and how everything is with social media. So you've been watching on TV so.

[A]

Well, I appreciate you just because I know, like, your IQ and your. Your game in itself. I really, really, really, truly respect both of you all. And I just love the game of basketball to Be honest with you. And I love, like, people that keep basketball first.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And watching you all, you know, continue to grow and learn and admit and all of those things. So it's.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

There's no harm when I say stuff and it. Listen, my opinion is my opinion. I'm wrong a lot of times. But it's never any disrespect ever, ever, ever, ever, ever. But I do have to say this. I have to bring it back before we go to the game. We're going to be like two minutes over. But before I go to the game, the all time leading scorer in college basketball, 3951 points. Okay. That's a lot of buckets.

[C]

That's a lot. Can I not get 49 more points? Like, that's ridiculous.

[A]

And she could do math because that was really quick. From Iowa.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, yeah. No big deal. Marketing degree, Tippie College of Business. Come on now.

[A]

Shut up. But the logo 3.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

To break the record. Was that something that you were like. That's what I'm doing. Was that something that you were like, oh, I'm searching that because. Or you were at dinner the night before. Come on, man.

[B]

What exactly is going to do?

[C]

So, well, if you remember, we played Nebraska the game before at Nebraska. And a lot of my. Like, I think I was like 44 points away or something like that. And I. Or like, maybe not. Maybe like 38 or something. And I had 30 going into the fourth. And some of my family didn't come because they're like, ah, she's not gonna get it this game. And I was like.

[A]

And you were 30.

[C]

I'm like, or maybe it was like. I think it was over 40. I think it was over 40 because I had like 32 or 34 at the end of the third. And I was like. And I'm like, looking around, I'm like,

[B]

shoot it tonight or no, should I.

[C]

I was like, all right, it's gonna happen now. Because I'm like, we gotta win. Like, they go box in one in

[A]

the fourth and we freeze.

[C]

Like. And everybody's like, I. I didn't make a shot. I. In the entire fourth quarter, I didn't score a point. And everybody's like, oh, my God. Like, she's doing it on purpose. Like, she didn't. She just wants to get at home. I'm like, like, trust me, trust me.

[B]

That's not true. I'll get it tonight.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I was trying my hardest to not lose the game, but it all worked out. And it was interesting. Like, going into that game versus Michigan at home, I remember warming up and I was just like cheesing the whole time. I'm like, oh, like it's going to be one of those nights, like.

[B]

And it was.

[C]

But I didn't. I like, I mean, but when you

[A]

had the ball in your hand, you know, because everybody that's like, doesn't know.

[C]

You could literally see how many points, layup and a three to start the game immediately. So I was like, the ball, it was. I was already feeling good, so I'm like, all right, I'm just gonna launch it. And it was deep. And it was. It was.

[B]

It was insane.

[C]

And I thought coach Luder was gonna call timeout. She's like, I'm gonna call timeout when you do it. I was like, okay. She didn't call timeout. She made me play defense. And I got the ball again. And I tell you, I was going to launch another bomb even further back. And she calls timeout before I do. I said, coach.

[B]

Why was coach.

[C]

Coach not the time?

[A]

Yo, that's hilarious. I'm gonna call timeout. Don't worry. And then she's like, play defense. Yeah, that's amazing. That's a great story. Okay, I don't want to take up any more of you all's time. I know you guys got a game to prepare for, but since you guys have both been good friends and teammates for two seasons now, we love a good. We love a good game. We love a good game around here on post moves and want to see how well Aaliyah knows you. Caitlyn. All right.

[B]

Or something.

[A]

So AB can either say her answers out loud or use the whiteboard to write down.

[C]

Use the whiteboard. Cuz she'll lie if not.

[A]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, I'm. Yeah, I'm with that. Okay, so what is Caitlyn's. Okay, turn the whiteboard so Caitlyn cannot see it.

[B]

She can't.

[A]

It's okay.

[C]

I won't lie about my answer either. Cuz we only have one whiteboard. Oh, we have two whiteboards.

[B]

No, no. Do you want to go?

[C]

No, that's not how this is gonna work.

[A]

See, here's what I think. Just for suspense. I think you should give the whiteboard to Caitlyn. She should write her answer and then you should say it and she should turn it around.

[B]

Oh, that's good stuff.

[A]

Thanks. Tennessee. Tennessee Education. Look at that. Look at that. All right, all right. How well Aaliyah knows Caitlyn?

[B]

Let's see.

[A]

What is Caitlyn's favorite color. Okay, well, don't say it until she finished writing it.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

I'm trying to think of anything we've had. I feel like it's not like. Okay, we're gonna go right in the middle with, like, blue.

[A]

All right.

[C]

Baby blue.

[A]

Hey.

[B]

Okay, so that's. That counts. That counts. That counts.

[C]

That count.

[A]

I like that. Okay, what is Caitlyn's favorite show?

[B]

Can I do movie?

[C]

Everybody knows that.

[B]

Okay, favorite show.

[A]

Like, current or recently?

[C]

Recent.

[A]

Recent show.

[C]

It's recent.

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Can I guess? Can I guess?

[C]

Yeah, you can also guess. Candace

[A]

Paradise.

[C]

No, I haven't watched that, but I've been told to watch it.

[B]

Yeah, tell me.

[C]

The pit.

[A]

Pit.

[C]

Oh, it's a medical show I watched.

[A]

Okay, I'm on it.

[C]

It, like, depicts a shift in the ER. It's good one golden.

[A]

So it's like 24 hours. Wait, is that the 24 hour show?

[C]

It's 15 hours. One shift in the ER at, like, the Pittsburgh ER.

[A]

Okay. It's really.

[C]

And I don't even like medical stuff. That kind of grosses me out, but it's good. It's good.

[A]

Okay, bet. I'm on it. Favorite singer slash artist. I can guess. I can guess this.

[B]

Okay, I'm going with.

[A]

Dude, come on. Taylor Swift.

[B]

I'm going with T. Swift.

[C]

Okay, you're right.

[B]

Okay, Period. Period. Period. Period.

[A]

All right, what's your favorite. What is this?

[B]

Like, how well does Candace.

[A]

Well, I mean, listen, I'm just guessing.

[B]

When did this happen?

[A]

I'm just guessing. I. I am a Chiefs fan, so. Okay, don't tell that. Don't tell people that, because I'm a Bears fan first.

[B]

Yeah, bye.

[C]

But how about the Bears season?

[A]

Yo, we were killing. And it sucks because I come to the pod and I'm so excited, and Aaliyah knows nothing about football at all.

[C]

I love football.

[A]

What is your favorite Taylor Swift song? I don't know. I don't know. This.

[C]

You guys don't.

[A]

I'm not gonna guess.

[B]

Probably. I don't know.

[A]

Oh, wow. She put us in a box.

[B]

She said we didn't know. She said y.

[A]

She said y'.

[B]

All. What is it?

[A]

Never, ever, ever getting back together.

[C]

Enchanted or like. Yeah, I mean, I don't need to list a bunch, you guys.

[A]

Is boyfriend a song? Like, that's a song. Is that Justin Bieber?

[B]

Actually, girl, next question.

[A]

Now I put it in a box.

[B]

Yeah, you. You. You just ruined it for all of us.

[A]

I put us in a box.

[C]

All right.

[A]

What is Your favorite cookie?

[B]

Chocolate chip. What? Chocolate chip cookie.

[A]

Yeah, that's pretty standard chocolate chip.

[B]

Here we go. Warm, warm chocolate.

[C]

Gooey, undercooked.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Pizookies. Do you like pazuki?

[B]

I love pizookies.

[C]

I love.

[A]

I will, like, destroy a pizookie. Sometimes I'll just make it at home on a random Wednesday night and just eat a pizookie. Yes. Okay. Favorite NFL team. Yeah, Seriously?

[B]

Chiefs.

[C]

Okay, you don't have to write that down.

[B]

Good job, Chiefs. Thank you.

[A]

Okay, what's your second favorite NFL team?

[C]

Second favorite NFL team. Oh, actually, that's a great question.

[A]

What is your second one?

[B]

She's not going with the Bears. Candace.

[A]

Colts.

[B]

Colts, baby. Indy.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Okay. I mean, that's obviously because we live in Indianapolis, but.

[A]

Okay. Your third.

[C]

Honestly, the Bears are third.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

Because the president of the Bears is Kevin Warren, and he used to be the commissioner of the Big Ten, so I know him well.

[A]

Yep. So I know. I like that. But I like that you know Kevin. Okay.

[C]

Yeah, Kevin's the man.

[A]

You already said your major in college, so let's see if Aaliyah retained that information marketing business.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, I'm. What can I say?

[A]

What's Caitlyn's middle name? You don't have to write this because it's only one.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

She wrote the E. She wrote the E. All right.

[A]

What is your favorite holiday movie? Oh.

[C]

Oh, that's. So make it like. No, it's not. L. Oh, it's the other option.

[A]

National Olympics.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

The other option. All right. And I'm gonna throw this in there just because. FaceTime or, like. Okay, there's three options. Options. FaceTime, voice, note, or call or text or text. So text.

[C]

Are we saying to each other or just in general?

[A]

In general. So you get a. You get a text. A voice.

[B]

I feel like you're a text girl.

[A]

A text.

[B]

I knew it. I knew it.

[C]

Text is a.

[B]

Don't call.

[C]

I. I honestly, like, call, because, like, when I'm in the car a lot, I. I don't text and drive, so I will call. People.

[A]

Look at you. Shout out to Nitza. All right? Her mother. Most points that she scored in a career game, college or professional.

[B]

If it's 41, I'm actually gonna jump.

[C]

Not.

[B]

Oh, no, it's 50.

[C]

No, it's not. Don't even say that. Break my 49.

[B]

Sorry.

[C]

Coach Blue subbed me out with, like, five minutes to go.

[B]

I remember that. I think.

[A]

Dude, who was it against? Who was it against?

[C]

Michigan.

[A]

Okay. You Had a vendetta. You had a vendetta against Michigan? Geez, yeah. Big vendetta. Okay, before we go, you guys have to give us the end of the show, which you did at the beginning, but we're gonna run it back. But, like, together. But. You guys are hilarious. Are you kidding? We appreciate it.

[C]

Love you, babe.

[A]

Love you. You know what we were talking about earlier? Just, like, first impressions and reading people. It's funny because you can always tell when someone actually wants to be there. Like at practice, a workout, whatever it is, there's always that one person who's locked in, asking questions, bringing energy, and you're like, yeah, all right. I want that person around.

[B]

Right? You don't even have to guess.

[A]

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[A]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

All right. It's time for our driver seat moment of the week presented by Volkswagen, where we spotlight someone who stepped up, seized the moment and delivered. So this week, SGA is in the driver's seat. He just won his second consecutive MVP award. Youngest guard in NBA history to win multiple MVPs.

[A]

He.

[B]

Listen, he's been hooping. All season long. He's been hooping. OKC looks great. They run as he runs. And listen, I know all this. We talk about stats and stuff, but I mean, he gave his team APS worth over 200k.

[A]

I'm just wondering if you are on that level of like, if you win defensive player of the year. Mvp, first team, all W. I mean, like, where my AP at? I'm your teammate.

[B]

Wait, how we get here so fast?

[A]

I'm your teammate. So I just want to know, like, no, I know. Am I going to get it? Am I going to get an apartment?

[B]

Do you want.

[C]

I'll.

[A]

I'll get a Rolex. Like I would say I would settle.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Or Richard. You know what though?

[B]

I actually just added a Rolex to the cart. So I'm gonna make sure that. Do you. You wanna pick your own out like you can, or do you want to be surprised?

[A]

I'd take a little Cartier tank. I'd take a little JFK Cartier tank. Watch. It'd be nice. But listen, can I ask you a question?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because here's the deal. I'll tell you when you win MVP and you go in front of your fans and they present you with the MVP trophy, that emotional toll and the time it takes for you to have to refocus to play a huge Western Conference game. Against a Spurs team that is pissed because they think their player on their team should have won mvp. I can't wait to watch the. That. That's what I can't wait to watch. I can't wait to watch this series. This series is. It's going to be unreal.

[B]

It's going to be really good. You think. You think OKC win at all?

[A]

Wimy's mentality coming into these playoffs and to know at this age to have the opportunity to be in the finals, your third year in the league.

[B]

League. That's crazy.

[A]

The opportunity. Like, I can remember in Chicago, like, there was a moment where I was like, if we win the championship, do you know what this does? Do you know what I mean? And so, like, when you realize, like, those moments before and you really are there to understand, like, time and place and opportunity. I don't know. And they've beat them 3:1 now. Do I think OKC is a machine? Yes. Do I think this is going to be a dog fight? 100%. But Wimby is pissed at Chet because they're comparing him to Chet and they

[B]

won the United States. That competition is actually France versus usa.

[A]

Like, it is about to be a cinema. So I cannot wait. I. I'm like, nobody bother me at 5:30 because I'm watching the game. All right, before we wrap things up, let's get into our AT&T fan connection. When the connection matters, it has to be at&t. Okay, first question is from at Megan Kreal. 743. Out of all your teammates, who is the worst driver?

[B]

Okay, so this one, and it's just

[A]

me and you talking. So, like, nobody else is going to hear this.

[B]

I haven't really driven with all the girls on the team, but if I had to pick one, I'm picking Breezy. I'm picking breezy. I've driven with Breezy multiple times, and sometimes I just look at her and I'm like, girl, girl. What? Like, what are you doing? No, no, like, what are you doing? You know, like, there's just. There's just sometimes where it's just like, girl, just let me out. Honestly, just let me out. Like, I would share the stories, but I. I won't even do my girl like that. I won't even do it. But I definitely have to pick Breezy. Like, she. She's a different one. Yeah.

[A]

Like, does she just drive fast?

[B]

It's not even fast. Just.

[A]

Is it like she's slow to reactions?

[B]

You know, now that you're all of the Above. Just sometimes it's a good concoction of everything, and it's just silly. Like, it's just so. It's really making me laugh because I don't know why I get in the car, but sometimes you gotta save gas, you know? Anyways, next question is from NEPACD6H. Candace, what was it like being on Hell's Kitchen?

[A]

So much fun. Gordon Ramsay was unbelievable. It was Celebrity Edition, so I was on there, and so was Reggie Miller. Reggie Miller was on there. And basically, like, we were able to, like, work with the chefs. And so, like, the chefs couldn't touch anything. They had to tell us how to make these. And I made, like, a shiitake salmon, and I did, like, the little sauce. So, like, everybody that, like, skips over the sauce on plate plates and doesn't eat them. That took me longer than, like, doing the salmon sauce. Like, no, no, no, no. I'm gonna need for you to take the salmon and dip in the sauce, because that took. That took me longer to make just a little line across the plate and to plate it and all that. But it was so much fun. And it was an added bonus because we won because, of course, like, I'm gonna win in food 100%. And the next question comes from. At hoops with two S's, you can only pick two. Marry the perfect partner. Hope that you would pick that one. Unlimited skin care, unlimited free food. I know which one you're gonna pick. 10,000 every month or read people's minds?

[B]

Are you calling me a big back? Because I didn't like that you said that. Anyways, I am going to marry the perfect partner, and then I just do the 10k additional every month. For real, because then I can just buy whatever skincare I want and whatever food I want. But I don't really mess with reading people's minds because I think I'd really get angry. Like, I think I'd really get upset, and I don't want to be upset every day. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Yeah. I don't also want to, like, know what people think. I just. I have too much going on in my head as it is. I'm with you, But I. I do think my food intake for a month is way more than $10,000. So I would take the free food 100%.

[B]

That's valid.

[A]

But marry the perfect partner and the unlimited free food. Okay.

[B]

I mess with it.

[A]

Yeah. Caviar and wagu. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Post moves. Thanks again to Caitlin Clark for joining us. We had an amazing discussion. So excited to have you on the pod. Obviously, what you're doing on the court, off the court, truly respect it. So it was amazing for you to take the time to sit down with us. We really appreciate it. Reminder, there is no episode next week. Happy Memorial Day. We'll be back the following week. Subscribe on YouTube and wherever you get your podcasts and follow Postmoo show on all social socials at postmoosh Show. That's two S's.