Pour Minds Podcast – “Bird Behavior” (ft. Joe Budden)

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Dre and Nicole (LexP & Drea Nicole)
Guest: Joe Budden
Podcast Network: The Black Effect & iHeartPodcasts

Overview

This long-awaited episode of Pour Minds brings “the Podfather” Joe Budden into the Atlanta-based wine-and-hot-topics orbit of Lex and Drea (Nicole). The trio shares a candid, funny, and insightful therapy-style conversation about everything from black love and the evolution of their careers in podcasting, to classism within the Black community, relationship realities, business moves, and plenty of playful “bed topic” wildness. Fans can expect a blend of real talk, industry knowledge, vulnerability, and must-quote “drunk therapy” moments.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Women Fans & The Joe Budden Podcast

[07:20 – 09:45]

• Dre shares how women on TikTok have confessed to listening to Joe Budden, despite the “taboo.”
• Joe appreciates new platforms letting audiences find him, and credits shows like “Love & Hip Hop” for diversifying his fanbase.
• Notable Quote:

  “Depending on where you met Joe Budden at... if you're watching me on Love & Hip Hop when I wasn't at my finest, then, yeah, I could see you saying, y’all listen to this [show]...” – Joe Budden (09:13)

2. Podcasting Dynamics, Rotating Casts, and Chemistry

[11:06 – 13:50]

• Dre asks Joe how he handles having many different podcast personalities.
• Joe stresses that real relationships make for authentic chemistry, and doesn’t keep things “copacetic” by force.
• He values working with people he knows, but adapting to new, dynamic guests and co-hosts is key.
• Why not solo?

  “I believe humans need human interaction. I do.” – Joe Budden (13:10)

3. Pioneering in Podcast Business and Deals

[15:06 – 17:37]

• Nicole asks Joe about walking away from a “huge” Spotify deal, and what aspiring podcasters should know.
• Joe recounts hard-learned music industry lessons and why ownership is critical.
• Notable Quote:

  “You don’t miss what you never had… I’m very low maintenance.” – Joe Budden (16:39)

• He emphasizes the importance of not comparing paths, but also not repeating mistakes out of ignorance.

4. Pod Wives and Personal Life

[17:59 – 19:49]

• Discussion turns to his relationship (with the “Pod Wives” show as backstory). Joe confirms he’s planning marriage and opens up about the joy of long-term partnership.
• Real talk on Black love, moving past “gender wars,” and how public platforms influence relationship conversations.
• Notable Quote:

  “We’ve always thrived together as a people... That divisiveness was taught behavior.” – Joe Budden (19:32)
  “Black men and Black women need each other.” – Joe Budden (19:47)

5. The Gender Wars and Social Media Monetization

[20:15 – 22:46]

• All agree gender “culture wars” online are tired and often just content-creator clickbait, not reality.
• Joe points out that pandemic-era isolation and a surge on Black Twitter popularized “gender war” rhetoric for traffic and monetization.

6. Evolution of Pour Minds and Relationship Content

[27:48 – 29:03]

• Lex and Drea discuss quietly pivoting from repetitive gender war topics to more nuanced relationship conversations (“rebranding relationships”).
• Joe affirms that authentic evolution is why Pour Minds has outlasted imitators:

  “Your audience wants to see you evolve and wants to see you grow... now let’s see what it’s like when you gotta lead a girl’s night early ‘cause you trying to rush back to your nigga. Let’s hear some of that, too.” – Joe Budden (28:32)

7. Pandering, Cheating & The Economics of Relationships

[29:04 – 32:59]

• The group clowns on performative “motivational” men who cheat on their wives (e.g., Derek Jackson), then Joe offers his theory:

  “Cheating is up... If the economy is down, cheating is up.” – Joe Budden (30:02)

• They explore how economic hardship pressures both genders in relationships—including joint OnlyFans enterprises!

8. Black Creators, Representation, and Industry Inequities

[37:30 – 41:14]

• Joe and the hosts analyze how white podcasters with less-impressive content get more ad dollars and industry support.
• Nicole likens current podcast business deals to historic music industry injustices, asking if Black podcasters will ever get Spotify-level deals with fair terms.
• Joe emphasizes betting on himself and the value of taking the “alternate route”:

  “The alternate route may be a longer one, but you end up with the same result, if not more.” – Joe Budden (41:14)

9. Audience Influence, Business Relationships, and Growth

[45:30 – 46:03]

• Joe addresses how he balances listening to his audience with trusting his vision:

  “Always listen to your audience, but you also have to have a filter... it’s free market research.” – Joe Budden (45:57)

10. On Gatekeeping, Classism, and Uplifting the Black Community

[71:26 – 86:50]

• Deep dive into classism, elitism, and the false “soft girl era” standards on social media.
• Joe talks about the need for Black wealth-building, financial literacy, rejecting separatism, and reinvesting in the community:

  “If you black in America and you doing great... it just shouldn’t be time to celebrate yet. It’s time to pull the next person up.” – Joe Budden (75:47)

• They joke about “pussy-watching” in Instagram culture and how shifting aesthetics fuel new forms of competition/division.

11. Podcast Cast Changes & Chemistry

[54:01 – 69:05]

• Nicole/Audience ask about moving from Melissa to Mona as co-hosts—how Joe chooses talent and values different personalities.
• They all agree on the importance of educating Black podcast audiences with both relatable and “encyclopedic” perspectives (Mark praised for intellect and realness).

12. Music, Bias, and Rap Beef Confessions

[119:20 – 121:27]

• Joe avoids picking sides in the Nicki Minaj vs. Cardi B beef, and prefers to let the music speak.
• On bias:

  “The bias for me comes in not speaking about you. Some people, because I love them, I’m just not gonna say a word.” – Joe Budden (97:46)

13. Signature “Bed Topic” Shenanigans

[103:02 – 115:03]

• Lex and Nicole bring the classic Pour Minds sex talk: farting in relationships, beans, OnlyFans family businesses, squirt vs. pee debates, and trust in the bedroom.
• Joe (surprisingly?) opens up about his limits with blindfolds, what he’s learned about sex and communication, and how great sex is about real partnership and communication.

14. Bops of the Week & Music Highlights

[115:26 – 119:02]

• Lex shouts out Mona Leo and the importance of honest storytelling in Southern female rap.
• Nicole plugs KenTheMan’s upcoming deluxe, both hosts praise Houston girl rap.
• Joe is currently listening to Jagged Edge, Kehlani’s “Folded” pack, and gives shouts to Destin Conrad, Sir, and more contemporary R&B.

15. Pour Your Heart Out: Advice Segment

[121:59 – 125:46]

• Letter: Woman asks how to heal after her long-term boyfriend “doesn’t feel the same.”
• Joe’s advice (humor + realness):

  “Don’t waste your time with a man that don’t feel like you feel. There’s too many men out here. Get you a little Yorkie or something...”

• Lex and Nicole echo: Stand up, move on, create your own sanctuary.

16. Fun & Farewells

[126:03 – end]

• The trio trade jokes, give flowers, and break into a (hilariously off-key) group Jagged Edge singalong (culminating in unrehearsed but heartfelt “Walked Out of Heaven” crooning—127:03).
• Closing affirmations of mutual support and “favorite guest spot” honors from Joe.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• On walking away from major deals:

  “You don’t miss what you never had. I’m very low maintenance.” – Joe Budden (16:39)

• On black love & gender wars:

  “Black men and Black women need each other.” – Joe Budden (19:47)

• On industry disparities:

  “We still gotta be 100 to 500 times better than them to see the same thing.” – Joe Budden (38:08)

• On changing relationship content:

  “We rebranded relationships. Quiet rebrand—a loud rebrand is for the birds.” – Dre (27:56)

• On cheating and the economy:

  “Cheating is up... If the economy is down, cheating is up.” – Joe Budden (30:02)

• On evolving as podcasts:

  “Bitches have come and go, y’all have stayed. It’s grassroots and very organic.” – Joe Budden (28:32)

• On classism and keeping it real:

  “If you Black in America and you doing great, your whole family ain’t. This ain’t the time to celebrate yet—it’s time to pull the next person up.” – Joe Budden (75:47)

• On messy, but loving, Black podcasting:

  “Pod aunties! ...Aunties give something different. I can see our style in a lot of y’all.” – Joe Budden (34:01)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Women listeners & TikTok love for Joe: 07:20 – 09:45
• Co-host lineups, cast chemistry: 11:06 – 13:50
• Industry deals, pioneering ownership: 15:06 – 17:37
• Pod Wives, Black love commentary: 17:59 – 19:49
• Gender wars, social media monetization: 20:15 – 22:46
• Podcast evolution & organic growth: 27:48 – 29:03
• Economy & “cheating up”: 30:02 – 32:59
• Industry inequities for Black creators: 37:30 – 41:14
• Audience influence/interaction: 45:30 – 46:03
• Classism, elitism & community uplift: 71:26 – 86:50
• Melissa to Mona casting, show evolution: 54:01 – 69:05
• Bops & R&B music recs: 115:26 – 119:02
• Advice segment - Pour Your Heart Out: 121:59 – 125:46
• Singalong/jokes/closing moments: 126:03 – end

Signature Tone & Highlights

• Unfiltered, witty, and deeply honest—both about the business and personal sides of life and relationships.
• Equal parts big laughs (beans/fart tricks/sing-alongs) and serious guidance (“pull up the next person,” do your own deals, communicate with your partner).
• Joe Budden flexes wisdom from lifelong entertainment business lessons as well as a genuine “auntie” style—Pour Minds solidarity.

For New Listeners...

If you haven’t listened, this episode balances industry game, relationship realness, and classic Pour Minds fun. You’ll leave with real insight into the highs, lows, and behind-the-scenes realities of Black podcast pioneers—and you’ll cackle along the way.

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