Bird Behavior ft. Joe Budden

Summary

Pour Minds Podcast – “Bird Behavior” (ft. Joe Budden)

Date: December 12, 2025
Hosts: Dre and Nicole (LexP & Drea Nicole)
Guest: Joe Budden
Podcast Network: The Black Effect & iHeartPodcasts

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Overview

This long-awaited episode of Pour Minds brings “the Podfather” Joe Budden into the Atlanta-based wine-and-hot-topics orbit of Lex and Drea (Nicole). The trio shares a candid, funny, and insightful therapy-style conversation about everything from black love and the evolution of their careers in podcasting, to classism within the Black community, relationship realities, business moves, and plenty of playful “bed topic” wildness. Fans can expect a blend of real talk, industry knowledge, vulnerability, and must-quote “drunk therapy” moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Women Fans & The Joe Budden Podcast

[07:20 – 09:45]

• Dre shares how women on TikTok have confessed to listening to Joe Budden, despite the “taboo.”
• Joe appreciates new platforms letting audiences find him, and credits shows like “Love & Hip Hop” for diversifying his fanbase.
• Notable Quote:

  “Depending on where you met Joe Budden at... if you're watching me on Love & Hip Hop when I wasn't at my finest, then, yeah, I could see you saying, y’all listen to this [show]...” – Joe Budden (09:13)

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2. Podcasting Dynamics, Rotating Casts, and Chemistry

[11:06 – 13:50]

• Dre asks Joe how he handles having many different podcast personalities.
• Joe stresses that real relationships make for authentic chemistry, and doesn’t keep things “copacetic” by force.
• He values working with people he knows, but adapting to new, dynamic guests and co-hosts is key.
• Why not solo?

  “I believe humans need human interaction. I do.” – Joe Budden (13:10)

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3. Pioneering in Podcast Business and Deals

[15:06 – 17:37]

• Nicole asks Joe about walking away from a “huge” Spotify deal, and what aspiring podcasters should know.
• Joe recounts hard-learned music industry lessons and why ownership is critical.
• Notable Quote:

  “You don’t miss what you never had… I’m very low maintenance.” – Joe Budden (16:39)

• He emphasizes the importance of not comparing paths, but also not repeating mistakes out of ignorance.

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4. Pod Wives and Personal Life

[17:59 – 19:49]

• Discussion turns to his relationship (with the “Pod Wives” show as backstory). Joe confirms he’s planning marriage and opens up about the joy of long-term partnership.
• Real talk on Black love, moving past “gender wars,” and how public platforms influence relationship conversations.
• Notable Quote:

  “We’ve always thrived together as a people... That divisiveness was taught behavior.” – Joe Budden (19:32)
  “Black men and Black women need each other.” – Joe Budden (19:47)

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5. The Gender Wars and Social Media Monetization

[20:15 – 22:46]

• All agree gender “culture wars” online are tired and often just content-creator clickbait, not reality.
• Joe points out that pandemic-era isolation and a surge on Black Twitter popularized “gender war” rhetoric for traffic and monetization.

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6. Evolution of Pour Minds and Relationship Content

[27:48 – 29:03]

• Lex and Drea discuss quietly pivoting from repetitive gender war topics to more nuanced relationship conversations (“rebranding relationships”).
• Joe affirms that authentic evolution is why Pour Minds has outlasted imitators:

  “Your audience wants to see you evolve and wants to see you grow... now let’s see what it’s like when you gotta lead a girl’s night early ‘cause you trying to rush back to your nigga. Let’s hear some of that, too.” – Joe Budden (28:32)

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7. Pandering, Cheating & The Economics of Relationships

[29:04 – 32:59]

• The group clowns on performative “motivational” men who cheat on their wives (e.g., Derek Jackson), then Joe offers his theory:

  “Cheating is up... If the economy is down, cheating is up.” – Joe Budden (30:02)

• They explore how economic hardship pressures both genders in relationships—including joint OnlyFans enterprises!

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8. Black Creators, Representation, and Industry Inequities

[37:30 – 41:14]

• Joe and the hosts analyze how white podcasters with less-impressive content get more ad dollars and industry support.
• Nicole likens current podcast business deals to historic music industry injustices, asking if Black podcasters will ever get Spotify-level deals with fair terms.
• Joe emphasizes betting on himself and the value of taking the “alternate route”:

  “The alternate route may be a longer one, but you end up with the same result, if not more.” – Joe Budden (41:14)

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9. Audience Influence, Business Relationships, and Growth

[45:30 – 46:03]

• Joe addresses how he balances listening to his audience with trusting his vision:

  “Always listen to your audience, but you also have to have a filter... it’s free market research.” – Joe Budden (45:57)

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10. On Gatekeeping, Classism, and Uplifting the Black Community

[71:26 – 86:50]

• Deep dive into classism, elitism, and the false “soft girl era” standards on social media.
• Joe talks about the need for Black wealth-building, financial literacy, rejecting separatism, and reinvesting in the community:

  “If you black in America and you doing great... it just shouldn’t be time to celebrate yet. It’s time to pull the next person up.” – Joe Budden (75:47)

• They joke about “pussy-watching” in Instagram culture and how shifting aesthetics fuel new forms of competition/division.

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11. Podcast Cast Changes & Chemistry

[54:01 – 69:05]

• Nicole/Audience ask about moving from Melissa to Mona as co-hosts—how Joe chooses talent and values different personalities.
• They all agree on the importance of educating Black podcast audiences with both relatable and “encyclopedic” perspectives (Mark praised for intellect and realness).

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12. Music, Bias, and Rap Beef Confessions

[119:20 – 121:27]

• Joe avoids picking sides in the Nicki Minaj vs. Cardi B beef, and prefers to let the music speak.
• On bias:

  “The bias for me comes in not speaking about you. Some people, because I love them, I’m just not gonna say a word.” – Joe Budden (97:46)

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13. Signature “Bed Topic” Shenanigans

[103:02 – 115:03]

• Lex and Nicole bring the classic Pour Minds sex talk: farting in relationships, beans, OnlyFans family businesses, squirt vs. pee debates, and trust in the bedroom.
• Joe (surprisingly?) opens up about his limits with blindfolds, what he’s learned about sex and communication, and how great sex is about real partnership and communication.

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14. Bops of the Week & Music Highlights

[115:26 – 119:02]

• Lex shouts out Mona Leo and the importance of honest storytelling in Southern female rap.
• Nicole plugs KenTheMan’s upcoming deluxe, both hosts praise Houston girl rap.
• Joe is currently listening to Jagged Edge, Kehlani’s “Folded” pack, and gives shouts to Destin Conrad, Sir, and more contemporary R&B.

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15. Pour Your Heart Out: Advice Segment

[121:59 – 125:46]

• Letter: Woman asks how to heal after her long-term boyfriend “doesn’t feel the same.”
• Joe’s advice (humor + realness):

  “Don’t waste your time with a man that don’t feel like you feel. There’s too many men out here. Get you a little Yorkie or something...”

• Lex and Nicole echo: Stand up, move on, create your own sanctuary.

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16. Fun & Farewells

[126:03 – end]

• The trio trade jokes, give flowers, and break into a (hilariously off-key) group Jagged Edge singalong (culminating in unrehearsed but heartfelt “Walked Out of Heaven” crooning—127:03).
• Closing affirmations of mutual support and “favorite guest spot” honors from Joe.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On walking away from major deals:

  “You don’t miss what you never had. I’m very low maintenance.” – Joe Budden (16:39)

• On black love & gender wars:

  “Black men and Black women need each other.” – Joe Budden (19:47)

• On industry disparities:

  “We still gotta be 100 to 500 times better than them to see the same thing.” – Joe Budden (38:08)

• On changing relationship content:

  “We rebranded relationships. Quiet rebrand—a loud rebrand is for the birds.” – Dre (27:56)

• On cheating and the economy:

  “Cheating is up... If the economy is down, cheating is up.” – Joe Budden (30:02)

• On evolving as podcasts:

  “Bitches have come and go, y’all have stayed. It’s grassroots and very organic.” – Joe Budden (28:32)

• On classism and keeping it real:

  “If you Black in America and you doing great, your whole family ain’t. This ain’t the time to celebrate yet—it’s time to pull the next person up.” – Joe Budden (75:47)

• On messy, but loving, Black podcasting:

  “Pod aunties! ...Aunties give something different. I can see our style in a lot of y’all.” – Joe Budden (34:01)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Women listeners & TikTok love for Joe: 07:20 – 09:45
• Co-host lineups, cast chemistry: 11:06 – 13:50
• Industry deals, pioneering ownership: 15:06 – 17:37
• Pod Wives, Black love commentary: 17:59 – 19:49
• Gender wars, social media monetization: 20:15 – 22:46
• Podcast evolution & organic growth: 27:48 – 29:03
• Economy & “cheating up”: 30:02 – 32:59
• Industry inequities for Black creators: 37:30 – 41:14
• Audience influence/interaction: 45:30 – 46:03
• Classism, elitism & community uplift: 71:26 – 86:50
• Melissa to Mona casting, show evolution: 54:01 – 69:05
• Bops & R&B music recs: 115:26 – 119:02
• Advice segment - Pour Your Heart Out: 121:59 – 125:46
• Singalong/jokes/closing moments: 126:03 – end

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Signature Tone & Highlights

• Unfiltered, witty, and deeply honest—both about the business and personal sides of life and relationships.
• Equal parts big laughs (beans/fart tricks/sing-alongs) and serious guidance (“pull up the next person,” do your own deals, communicate with your partner).
• Joe Budden flexes wisdom from lifelong entertainment business lessons as well as a genuine “auntie” style—Pour Minds solidarity.

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For New Listeners...

If you haven’t listened, this episode balances industry game, relationship realness, and classic Pour Minds fun. You’ll leave with real insight into the highs, lows, and behind-the-scenes realities of Black podcast pioneers—and you’ll cackle along the way.

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End of Summary

Transcript

[Nicole]

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[Nicole]

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[Joe Budden]

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[Dre]

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[Nicole]

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[Dre]

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[Nicole]

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[Dre]

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[Nicole]

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[Dre]

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[Dre]

I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me.

[Rip Current Narrator]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why they were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. She received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing.

[Dre]

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Episodes of rip current season two are available now. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dre]

You know, y' all know what I hate. Look, that Tito's hitting me now. I don't like the pandering shit either. I can't stand she's.

[Nicole]

Nigga.

[Dre]

I cannot stand it if I see a nigga sitting down, looking at the camera, talking about, woman, you are beautiful. You need to stand 10 toes down.

[Joe Budden]

Stop that.

[Dre]

If that nigga don't appreciate you, leave him.

[Joe Budden]

But, you know, I'm normally like that.

[Nicole]

I feel like it's men out there who really do feel that.

[Dre]

But I'm saying a lot of the men that were leading that conversation, it came out that they was cheating on their wives.

[Nicole]

Oh, well, yeah.

[Dre]

And they was fucking on.

[Joe Budden]

You talking about that one nigga, what's his name you talking about? No, we talking relationship advice, nigga. Man, who all the girl and the black was right there saying, hey, y' all listening, homeboy?

[Nicole]

I can't remember Derrick Jackson.

[Joe Budden]

Derrick Jackson.

[Dre]

But what I'm saying is it's a lot more of them. They just haven't been outed yet, is what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?

[Nicole]

Listen, I feel like men and women be on.

[Joe Budden]

Wait. Cheating is up. Hold. Hold up, now. I ain't just going. I'm not. I'll be a realist. I mean, yeah, cheating is up. If the economy is down. Oh, cheating is.

[Dre]

What's up, y'. All. It's your girl xp, and it's your.

[Nicole]

Girl Dre and Nicole.

[Dre]

And you are tuned in to another episode of Poor Minds, where a drunk.

[Nicole]

Mind speaks sober thoughts.

[Dre]

We got a guest today. We got a guest today. Okay, y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dre]

Yeah, we got a jingle now. It's going down Facts.

[Nicole]

Oh, my God. This is such a long awaited guest. Yeah, we've been trying to get Joe on the pod since we first started the pod.

[Dre]

I'm telling you, years ago, W. We tried to get him on Wine Down Wednesday. He said, y' all sitting on the floor.

[Nicole]

Yeah, this is too ghetto.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I was supporting.

[Dre]

He was supporting from afar.

[Joe Budden]

Good boy.

[Dre]

But you know what I'm saying. Y' all know who it is. The pod father himself. Number one in the game. I mean, I don't even really have to do an introduction. Cause I'm telling you, the number one podcast. I hate when people try to say number one urban podcast. Nah, like you in the top five all the time. Top three all the time, y'. All. We got Joe budded in the building. Yay. Our people out here like they usually are.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, you guys, what's up? Hey, y'. All.

[Nicole]

What's up?

[Joe Budden]

I was shocked to learn that this was my first time doing y' all podcast. Yeah, I could have swore. We done had a blast everywhere.

[Nicole]

I mean, shock to learn that. It's crazy. A busy man, but we went on your show, like three times. Yeah, yeah. But you've never been on Poor Mods. This is the first. Well, hopefully not the last.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad that I'm here. No, definitely not the last. You know, thank you guys for welcoming me.

[Dre]

Of course. And I always have to start the show because I like to be real. Like, how are you doing, Joe? Like, how are you doing in this space, in this chapter in your life? For real?

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[Dre]

Yeah. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I'm doing wonderful.

[Dre]

So we can get to some tea today. We can talk real today.

[Joe Budden]

There's tea to be had then. Sure. You know, I love it. I love a little chamomile.

[Dre]

You know it.

[Joe Budden]

I love a little chamomile.

[Dre]

I'm a Earl Grey myself.

[Joe Budden]

Come on, talk about it.

[Dre]

You know what I'm saying? You know, little child, a little. A little something. Something too crazy.

[Nicole]

We all on our cozy vibe today.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

We look so cozy and chill. We haven't did an episode like this in a while.

[Dre]

In a long time. Well, I will say, like, we haven't done this in a long time. But literally, the plane landed and we got in the car, we was like, we gots to get to Joe.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Dre]

We gots to make it happen. And I want to tell you something. I am a avid TikTok scroller, right? Like, I just like to know what the kids are doing so auntie can keep up, you know what I'm saying? And I'm like, scrolling TikTok. You know, you were trending like crazy, like, three weeks ago. All the women were like, I'm gonna confess, I love the Joe Budden podcast. Cause, like, I guess it's like a thing where women are not supposed to listen to you or admit that it was all over my timeline. They're like, yeah, hi, I'm a girl, and I listen to Joe Budden.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dre]

So how does that make you feel to connect that?

[Joe Budden]

I appreciate that about the TikTok algorithm. Yeah, right. Because the TikTok algorithm will show it to you versus that same thing could be happening on Instagram, and they'll shut that down, blackball you. So I appreciate that. I see the videos. I'm logged in on somebody else's account.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So I do see them. It feels good. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Dre]

So now, you know, shout out to.

[Joe Budden]

The women, our women listenership out there. They out there.

[Dre]

They out there. I said, God damn. Because usually when people, like, you see, when people make videos of, like, the podcast that they listen to and stuff, and I feel like every time people name, like, Poor Minds, they'll name, like, Poor Minds, and they either listen to, like, you know, a Call her daddy Decision, Decision, stuff like that, but, like, we're never really in the same category with, like, your listeners. But the ladies that were like, oh, yeah, I listen to Poor Minds, but after I turn that off, they'd be turning that Joe button on. But they gotta. They be trying to sneak it, but they be listening.

[Nicole]

But why do you think it's a thing of them feeling like they have to sneak it?

[Joe Budden]

We be bugging over there.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

No, y' all do. We. We have a lot of fun. Yeah, we have a lot of fun over there. But I don't. I don't. I don't really know. Maybe it's me. Depending on where you met Joe Budden at. Right. Like, a lot of people, for the first time saw me on Love and hip hop, right. So.

[Nicole]

But they too young if that's the first time they saw you.

[Joe Budden]

Not necessarily. That was just a really large audience that they had. That Love and Hip Hop demo put me in front of the 40 to 70 group, too. Older women, younger women. That was a lot of women. So if you're watching me on loving hip hop when I wasn't at my finest, then, yeah, I could see you saying, y' all listen to this.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

If you know me for music, then you totally understand why somebody would be listening for.

[Dre]

Not the slaughterhouse opinions. No, that's Right. But you know what? It's two people who did love and hip hop, Right. You and Cardi, you supposed to get in there, you know what I'm saying? Make your name and then get the hell out of there.

[Joe Budden]

I think Cardi did.

[Dre]

Who else did love and hip hop, right?

[Nicole]

No, I was just asking.

[Dre]

No, I'm saying, in your opinion, do you know anybody outside of y' all two?

[Joe Budden]

I would say Jim. I would say that Jim did it, right.

[Dre]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jim.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I would say Safaree. If I have to go down a list, maybe because I worked with these people.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You kind of would have to say Yandy and Mandeeces just based on their story.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

They've been there every season since the beginning of time.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He go to jail, come out, have a family. You see Yandy go from working with Jim to. So it's the evolution too Story. Back to story. I'm a fan of story.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There's a few people I think did it right.

[Dre]

Well, and I'll say too, Rasheeda and Kirk. Cause I love some hot tea, too.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Dre]

You know what I'm saying?

[Nicole]

I mean, and I will say, when it comes to Yandy and Mendee, I love the like. I love when people can, like, go from one franchise to another one and still have a good storyline. So, like, they went from New York to Atlanta and they're still like the main character.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Part of the Atlanta cast.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

That's hard to do that.

[Joe Budden]

You did that, right?

[Dre]

Yeah, yeah. And speaking of storylines, because you have a good storyline, I will say, like, being, you know, the podcast world and, you know, you've had the, I don't want to say revolving door because I don't like that, but you've had a lot of, you know, different and things like that. And for me, like, I can honestly say I am. I can do this with her. How do you handle that? Like, different, the. All the different personalities? Because it's like, you know, Mark is so different from Ish and then Mona, then there was Melissa and this and that. Like, how do you keep it all copacetic?

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it's not all copacetic.

[Dre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I don't keep it that way.

[Dre]

Madhouse who? Okay. Can I ask you something if that's not true?

[Joe Budden]

Let me answer. Let me answer for real. I'm talking shit. I'm talking shit. I'm just trying to have fun. But seriously, I've been blessed to work with people that were actually close to me. Like the first iteration of the podcast was myself. Rory was there pretty early. And Marissa. Yeah, like, Rory was new to the fold for me, but he was a great guy. Marissa was my personal assistant. She had worked for me before. I had a relationship there. It makes it much easier to do when you're doing it with somebody you have a relationship with.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So then the second iteration, I had a relationship with Maul. I had a relationship with. Not so much Flip this time. We started bringing in just people that were extremely dynamic. Even though Flip and I were close from mutual people from back in my music day. It just is easy to do when you work with people. Either my guy, Freaky E over there.

[Dre]

Freaky E is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Like I'm just saying, when you know, it's. It's easier. Yeah, it's easier.

[Nicole]

And so what's the reason why? Cuz I feel like a lot of people will probably wonder, like, why you just don't do the show by yourself because you have such a big personality and you're a legend. Like, you can carry the show on your own. It's literally called the Joe Buton Podcast. Why?

[Joe Budden]

I believe humans need human interaction. I do. I could sit there by myself and just give you my thoughts on shit. I would probably get in a lot more trouble for the things that I say, like my friends. Back to working with people that, you know, help to keep me accountable. They keep me insulated somewhat. We bounce off each other well. So, I mean, yes, I could sit somewhere and do a show by myself and that probably will still happen and it'll be a different bag. Right, Right. So I wouldn't. I just wouldn't blend things. If you can get. If you can get a separate bag for whatever you're talking about, then don't blend it with something else.

[Dre]

Yeah, right.

[Nicole]

That make a lot of sense.

[Dre]

It does. And then I want to talk about the Patreon too, because you had the. The other show on Patreon, the Pod Wives. Right.

[Joe Budden]

Pod Wives. We're off season right now. But that. That show.

[Dre]

Crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That show. A lot of people enjoyed that show.

[Dre]

Because, I mean, mostly.

[Joe Budden]

And that's a. That's the funny part. So let's say 25% of women listen to the Joe Button podcast, 85% of women listen to Pod Wives.

[Dre]

You be doing a little something.

[Joe Budden]

It's about. Just about how you get in the audience.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

But Pod Wives is great. It's a lot of fun.

[Dre]

It is fun.

[Joe Budden]

And speaking of, everybody got in a.

[Nicole]

Lot of trouble in the audience. You know a lot about that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, as do y'. All.

[Nicole]

No. Hello and thank you.

[Joe Budden]

You. This episode is brought to you by. Hold up. Yeah. Stop playing with them.

[Dre]

We got to drop it in.

[Joe Budden]

Look at y'. All. I'm so happy for y'. All.

[Dre]

Shout out to Tyler Po. I got that drink in my.

[Nicole]

Shout out to her fantasy box.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

But, yes, we definitely have sponsors and we are figuring out how to get to the money. But, like, I feel like you pioneered it for a lot of people, and I want you to.

[Joe Budden]

To.

[Nicole]

To speak a little bit to just saying no to a big bag, because I feel like you did. I read an article, which. I already knew this about you a long time ago anyways, but I read an article recently and, like, you turned down a substantial amount of money from Spotify years ago because the contract wasn't in agreement with what you want. Like, I kind of want you to speak to that when it comes to so many other podcasters and people trying to get into this industry coming up who just ready to sign a deal or ready to, you know, get some money.

[Joe Budden]

Well, I. In. In my experience, no matter how much you talk about it and I talk about it, people gonna do what they want. Yeah. So it's a lot of people that's gonna continue to sign away their rights. We not frowning down upon that. Everybody's path is different, and you don't know who's in need of what at what time.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I was blessed enough to be on the bad end of a lot of deals for music, but it was school. That was college for me. So it took me 18 years to get out of my publishing deal. It took me 16 years or however many years to get out of my production. My deal with my production company, it took me. So if you. If you young. I was 21, 22 when I got signed. So if it takes you all of those years to get. If you see what the damage of a bad contract can do, one, you'll be jaded. Two, you'll be paranoid. Three, you'll come away with some knowledge and. And you won't want to make those mistakes again. So all of that is in there. Two, you don't miss what you never had.

[Nicole]

You don't think so, though.

[Joe Budden]

I'm very low maintenance.

[Nicole]

That's fair.

[Joe Budden]

I'm very low maintenance. I done. I done. I've been out the house since I was. Since I was, what, 17? It don't take much. Noodles and noodles, motherfucking juice in the fridge.

[Dre]

Yeah. I'm weak.

[Joe Budden]

A girlfriend, an older girlfriend in the kitchen. Making something up.

[Dre]

You just said you be having Louie at your bar, in your house, though. So don't be acting like you just.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's today. You can't look at the story 26, 27 years in.

[Dre]

Okay, you right.

[Joe Budden]

That's today. I got many a story. Sleeping in the worst hotel, motel that the city could offer, going to pick up the back end, and it not being there, driving cross country, anything. You name it, I did it.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So today. Yeah. There should be Louie at the bar.

[Dre]

No, that's right. Cause I still got my Tito's at the bar. Now, I do wanna ask you something.

[Joe Budden]

It gives Tito's.

[Dre]

It's always gonna give Tito's, boo. And I ain't mad about it.

[Joe Budden]

That's why I love Lex.

[Dre]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

She don't give a.

[Dre]

And don't. But, you know, I gotta ask you, though. I have to ask this because I want to go back to the Pod Wives show, because I wasn't done.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Dre]

So let me ask you this, though, you know, because I do want to ask, like, because the show is called Pod Wives. Are you. Are y' all married?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dre]

Do you plan on. Are y' all going to get married?

[Joe Budden]

I should tell her first, right?

[Dre]

Yeah, but what.

[Joe Budden]

So, I mean, what do you want me to do?

[Dre]

Give us the tea.

[Joe Budden]

I plan on getting married.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, she knows that we having those talks and conversations.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And the prep that goes along with that. So, I mean, we know that.

[Dre]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

We're going to seven years only. We're going on seven years.

[Dre]

But I thought you. Oh, I thought you said only seven years.

[Joe Budden]

Going on seven years.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So there's a magnetic force that keeps. Keeps us together.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

We can't get enough of each other.

[Dre]

I know. That's right.

[Nicole]

I love that, though, because I feel like that's how, you know, you found your person. We be like, I just want to be around them all the time. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It's mushy and shit like that.

[Nicole]

I know. Yes. I'm seeing it and I love it. I love seeing it because I feel like. Because we knew you before you got.

[Dre]

In your relationship, and I. I'm not kidding. I've gone on this, like, spree the last couple weeks on Love LexP. I am pushing black love, even on the show. I'm not doing these gender wars no more. I'm tired of fighting niggas. I'm tired of taking up for the women. I'm tired of taking. We. Really. Because honestly, we have such strong voices, and sometimes we say stuff even in, like, just, like, joking around and playing. But people will take that shit serious. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, you know what? Sometimes we have to watch what we say, especially when it comes to, you know, our relationships in our community.

[Joe Budden]

I'm glad you said that for real. Cause that divisiveness was. That was taught behavior from. I don't wanna get into it.

[Dre]

We get it.

[Joe Budden]

That's not us. We've always been. We've always thrived together as a people.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Just by design. I believe that men and women, Black men and black women need each other.

[Dre]

Mm.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I believe that. So the gender war shit is exhausting. I hate it. We fought about it all already. Either you're going 5050 or you're not.

[Dre]

Who cares?

[Joe Budden]

Found somebody to pay the bills or you're not. Hey, is mom sitting in the front seat or the back seat? We got it. We got it. We got it. We did it already.

[Dre]

But you know what's crazy?

[Nicole]

I feel like it really popped off during the pandemic because.

[Joe Budden]

Yes.

[Nicole]

At home. And we didn't have to do. And we was all mad, but not only that. Mad at each other.

[Dre]

That's true. But I'm. People are still doing it in 2025 because they see Joe signing a 20 million dollar deal, and they like, I want that, but I don't feel like.

[Joe Budden]

I. Yeah, it's phases. I agree with Lex. It's phases.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Cause Dre is saying the pandemic. For me, it all got unpacked on Black Twitter. Black Twitter was the start of it and the end of it. And anything else that happened after that was an adaptation of what was going on, because advertisers saw what was going on. Movie producers, showrunners saw what was going on. Everybody saw what was going on on Black Twitter.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So, yes, during the pandemic, we saw another wave of that, but not from the OGs.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Whatever you're seeing now was just. They saw it and they're regurgitating. They're monetizing now, like you said. So, yeah. They just trying to make a buck. They seen Kevin Samuels, they seen Dr. Bryant. Whoever you saw, whoever you saw, we dealing with the generation that was programmed.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And I definitely feel like it was a surge of that during the pandemic.

[Joe Budden]

Right.

[Nicole]

And people started noticing. Okay. Because a lot of. A lot of podcasts popped off during the pandemic, including us. Like, I feel like that's important. Talk about it kind of started to get really popular. And we used to kind of talk about a lot of those topics as far as like man versus woman relationships.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Things that we knew were going to get a lot of traction and attention online. And I think a lot of other people started picking up on that and it became okay, all of a sudden if men hate women, women hate men. It was just, I don't know, it was a weird time.

[Dre]

You're right.

[Nicole]

We're living in. And I feel like it's because people noticed. Okay, this is clickbait. And it's gonna get.

[Joe Budden]

People were making coins from whatever identity they made up. So there's people making their living being Mr. Or Ms. Right Wing.

[Nicole]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

There's people making a living being the leftist. There's people that I hate. I hate shit. Racism is fucking profitable. I hate black people. I hate Mexicans. I used to deport them. All this money, whatever you. There was just money in all of it. Two things happened during the pandemic for sure. You either survived as a business and thrived, or you fell flat on your face and it was the end of you. Like the pandemic got got. It was a. It was a. A clear shift and a changing of the times. Yeah.

[Nicole]

Y' all don't feel like though currently it's a resurgence of black love being displayed online? Cuz I feel like every time I get on the Internet, like every day I'm seeing beautiful young black couples getting engaged and professing their love for one another. And yes, I feel like 5 years ago it wasn't like that. Like I didn't get online every day and see a young black couple getting engaged. And I love that. I love how we're bringing back the young and the importance of marriage in the black community.

[Joe Budden]

Same.

[Dre]

And I'm being serious. And I know people might be like, oh, be for real. But the people who are at the top of the conversations, who are leading the conversations. Cause we not talking about that bullshit no more. I'm serious. Like, people are literally. That's why it's a job called being an influencer. Because you influence people.

[Nicole]

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[Joe Budden]

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[Rip Current Narrator]

May 24, 1990. A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car.

[Dre]

I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe.

[Rip Current Narrator]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why. She received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing.

[Joe Budden]

The men and women who were hurt had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California.

[Rip Current Narrator]

They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area. But more than it was the culture, it was the way of life.

[Dre]

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement.

[Rip Current Narrator]

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[Joe Budden]

The Chiefs come on a flip pass to Rice near side. Touchdown.

[Rip Current Narrator]

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[Joe Budden]

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[Dre]

Into the end zone. Touchdown.

[Rip Current Narrator]

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[Dre]

And the people who are really, like, up here and really pod and really talking, we not really doing it. We're not doing them. Gender war. We let. Remember what we said.

[Nicole]

We rebranded relationships.

[Dre]

We. We got. Now we got that part. You know what I'm saying? We kind of was like, okay, girl, we realize what it really is. And not only that, it's kind of like we, me and Dre had this conversation because we did a quiet rebrand. I hate a loud rebrand, right? We were just like, let's just kind of ease into it. And you know what I'm saying? I was like, we not talking about this all the time no more. It's kind of like played out because now everybody is doing it. But I think the shift in conversation is why it started because the people that people are really, really watching, they ain't talking about that shit.

[Joe Budden]

And I mean, clearly y' all have resonated with people, right? Like, bitches have come and go, y' all have stayed. So whatever you're doing, not only is it working, but it's like grassroots and very organic. Your audience wants to see you evolve and wants to see you grow. Your audience is growing as well. So, yeah, we heard all that fly shit you was kicking when you were single. But now let's see what it's like when you gotta lead a girl's night early. Cause you trying to rush back to your Nigga, let's hear some of that, too. Yeah, we wanna get to that.

[Dre]

Yeah. And I think. Go ahead, go ahead. Well, I was saying, too. Y' all know what I hate. Look, Tito's hitting me now. I don't like the pandering shit either. I can't stand she's. Nigga, I cannot stand it if I see a nigga sitting down, looking at the camera, talking about, woman, you are beautiful. You need to stand 10 toes down.

[Joe Budden]

Stop it.

[Dre]

If that nigga don't appreciate you, leave him. But you don't.

[Joe Budden]

I'm normally like that, always pandering.

[Nicole]

I feel like it's men out there who really do feel that.

[Dre]

But I'm saying a lot of the men that were leading that conversation, it came out that they was cheating on their wives.

[Nicole]

Oh, well, yeah.

[Dre]

And they was on.

[Joe Budden]

You talking about that one, what's his name? You talking about relationship advice, man, who all the girl and the black was right there saying, hey, y' all listening, homeboy?

[Nicole]

I can't remember.

[Dre]

Derek Jackson.

[Joe Budden]

Derek Jackson.

[Dre]

But I'm. What I'm saying is it's a lot more of them. They just haven't been outed yet, is what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying?

[Nicole]

Listen, I feel like men and women be on.

[Joe Budden]

Wait. Cheating is up. Hold up there. I ain't just going to. I'm not. I'll be a realist. I mean, cheating is up. If the economy is down. Uh oh, cheating is up.

[Dre]

Now give me the correlation between the economy.

[Nicole]

That's a good philosophy.

[Joe Budden]

Between the economy and cheating.

[Nicole]

Elaborate.

[Dre]

Because the correlation, I'm thinking.

[Joe Budden]

But it correlates in so many ways.

[Nicole]

So what's the way?

[Joe Budden]

Well, one, let's preface all of this with if you're. You have to get to the root of why the cheating shit is going on. The man is unhappy and yada, yada, yada. But if the economy is down, if the groceries are expensive, then a few things could be happening in the household. We broke and struggling and fighting and somebody's bickering and somebody can't take it. Somebody's having some uncomfortable conversation that people are not used to having. That's what happened during the pandemic. Motherfuckers got to living together. Couldn't. Couldn't go to work. So now motherfuckers been married for 19 years now. We sit in the house staring at each other and we get to know one another in a different way. When the economy's down, shit like that started to happen. Somebody is probably More likely to step out. I'm not gonna say the man. I just said cheating. Yeah, that's one way. Also, if the economy is down, that mean niggas gotta survive in the same way that niggas resort to drugs and other underworld things to survive. You know what else helps with surviving?

[Dre]

Slanging at me.

[Joe Budden]

More chicks.

[Dre]

They gonna slang at me.

[Joe Budden]

More chicks. Yeah, more chicks. You niggas get the slinging dick all around town for the hit, the jackpot. And the one that we could put the car in her name. We could put the light bill on her name. She gonna pay a couple of bills. She gonna take some of this load off me so I could go back and pretend in the house I live in. Mm.

[Nicole]

That make a lot of sense.

[Dre]

Well, that does. And then I have another one. Cause I was thinking from a woman's perspective. You know what I'm saying?

[Nicole]

Like a woman cheating.

[Dre]

Yeah. Well, no, like, even a woman agreeing to the cheating. A woman cheating. Cause like you said, when the economy bad, the price of coochie go down. So the girls be like, he don't really gotta do much. I just need a nigga that's gonna pay the light bill. So she on.

[Nicole]

Go.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, the women that I follow on OnlyFans, they on there fucking they, nigga. This is a family business.

[Nicole]

No facts.

[Dre]

Yeah, I'm not mad.

[Joe Budden]

The economy is tough. Hey, come on, get in the backseat of this Uber bitch. Come on, let's do it. 1995. Hey, she ain't just out there with the fucking plastic dildo that plug up to the wall. She out there with her nigger at all times, ain't leaving them. Been there for the last six years. Family business, okay?

[Nicole]

If we gonna fuck, we might as well make it lucrative.

[Dre]

Yeah, a family business on Onlyfans. I'm not mad at that.

[Nicole]

I'm not mad at it either.

[Dre]

Because it's generational wealth.

[Joe Budden]

No way you can be mad.

[Dre]

It's hard.

[Nicole]

You gotta get it how you gotta get it.

[Joe Budden]

You can't be mad at it.

[Nicole]

You can't be mad at it.

[Joe Budden]

You can't be mad at it.

[Dre]

Oh, my gosh.

[Nicole]

You know, everybody calls you the pod father. And you said, how? You know, a lot of people have came and went, women more specifically, since Lex and I have came.

[Joe Budden]

No people, period. But I was encouraging a lot of women. Yeah.

[Nicole]

So would you call us po. Pod mothers?

[Dre]

No, we not old enough. Why?

[Joe Budden]

You know what, though? If I had to assess a family member, it would be probably pod aunties.

[Dre]

I ain't Mad at that.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all mothers, cuz mothers give something different. Mother gives. You've been here since the beginning of the time, and everybody's your son or daughter.

[Dre]

We snuck in this.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I could. Aunties gives. I could see our style in a lot of y'. All. A lot of y' all is my nieces and nephews out here. I could see remnants of it. Some of y' all came and went with all that shit y' all was kicking. But this shit, that. A lot of y' all judged early on.

[Dre]

Okay, talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of y' all judged early on. Honestly, I was there again, I'm a fan of the story.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So I've been there. I've been there for. Like she said, they want a poor mind. A lot of y', all, they. They judge the. Y' all was kicking. I always knew it would win.

[Nicole]

Why did you know?

[Joe Budden]

I always knew it would win. Back to. Back to what we just said out there, right? Y' all came straight from the airport. Y' all was fresh face. It's like. I ain't gonna lie. I don't remember the last time I did something fresh face. What's the first thing I said? Yeah, but they gonna dig that. Yeah, because that gives relatability. Like when I'm in the strip club by myself, and it's all the project niggas in there, all the street niggas. Joe, I respected you by yourself. Got no choice but to respect in my jeans. And I gotta do all of that. Y' all give that. So. And bitches get on camera. Not bitches. Let me not say that. Cause people. People get on these cameras now that, you know, you can make coins and just turn into somebody. Somebody else. Or they too buttoned up. Or they too not buttoned up. Or they don't really know their audience. They don't know who they.

[Dre]

Girl, shut up.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't hear what she said.

[Dre]

She said two button. You said two button up. She said, no pun intended. But you know, that's when that li. Joe, it's finna turn into poor minds.

[Joe Budden]

For real.

[Dre]

We had to get that shit out the way. But we finna get.

[Joe Budden]

You know, well. And I'm doing a podcast. Yeah, I'm doing a podcast.

[Dre]

Who is it?

[Joe Budden]

It's my business partner.

[Dre]

Hey, business partner. What's up?

[Nicole]

Hey, Ian.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. Not.

[Dre]

Who is this?

[Joe Budden]

No, he didn't say. Don't do that. All right, I'll call you back.

[Dre]

Damn. You just said something. I wanted to elaborate on it.

[Nicole]

Oh, it's okay. Joe was complimenting us. I love a compliment session. Go ahead, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

What was I saying?

[Nicole]

You were talking about how you knew we were gonna, like, make it.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, I could just. I could just see that early, and I kind of knew what. How that would bold and build an audience, and that's what happened.

[Dre]

So let me ask you this, though. With everything that you have been through, would you sign another woman podcast?

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Dre]

Yeah, I would do it. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, depending on the podcast.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But I would do it.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

I clearly have an affinity for all female podcasts. Yeah. Yeah, I do. I think y' all voices are. Are powerful. And when you get the right woman, who, like Candace Owens. I don't agree with everything you say. I don't think, but her voice travels.

[Dre]

Yeah, yeah. You know, and I like to argue. I would never argue with that girl. She knows how she. She. Sometimes you gotta know your where. Who you can fight with and duel with pit bull. Hey, yeah, she gets down.

[Nicole]

She know what article to pull up.

[Dre]

That's all I'm saying.

[Nicole]

To pull up. And you, like, you can't even argue no more.

[Joe Budden]

Like, earlier today, I was watching Kaia read somebody.

[Dre]

That's another read.

[Nicole]

You want to argue with her?

[Dre]

Yeah, Kaia TS Madison the same, too. She know she can read.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm saying.

[Dre]

It's like, certain people, you gotta just, hey, let them have it.

[Joe Budden]

Niggas sit down and wanna talk about LeBron and Jordan, who's the best. But if you get the right women together.

[Dre]

Yeah, the girl. I'm sorry, but, like, girl talk is elite.

[Nicole]

It is.

[Dre]

It's really elite. But you know what Joe and I do, since we talk about POD and stuff. But it's so crazy because I feel like still the black women voices in podcasting, like, we're still so behind on what the other girls are doing. Like, this type of girl talk. Like, I hate to say it, but, like, white girl podcasting, girl talk. Oh, they outta there. All of them are. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Well, y' all are experiencing. Black women in podcasting are experiencing what black men in podcasting are experiencing. Right. Like, let's take the girls. You could be talking about the same exact thing that I won't name a podcast.

[Dre]

Right, right, right, right.

[Joe Budden]

That a white girl POD is talking about. And more adverts will go to the white podcasters, More streaming sites and distribution services. More business will go to that podcast. Even if y' all are better at it. Like, history is still the same. We still gotta be 100 to 500 times better than them to see the same thing.

[Dre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nicole]

I think it's so interesting because I remember when we first started Poor Minds, I was telling like, some industry people that I knew at the time, like, watch, Podcasting is going to be very similar to the music industry in like another five to 10 years. They're going to be signing podcasters the same way that they're signing artists. And they didn't believe me. And I feel like it's so interesting because now we're going through the same thing that a lot of artists used to go to or complain about going through back in the day. Just like putting out great content or putting out great music and not being properly compensated. And I always wonder if it's something that's going to like, come to an end or who's going to be like the first black podcaster to really get a crazy 50 million, $100 million deal where you're still able to keep a decent portion of your IP and not have to sell off a big part of your business. Like, I always wonder if it's even possible.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, oh man, don't do that, don't do that.

[Nicole]

It's serious. But we're not getting it as. But I mean, when you're looking at our white counterparts, sometimes it does kind of make you like, damn, when is going to happen for one of us?

[Joe Budden]

Okay, well, one comparison is the thief.

[Dre]

Of joy, but I'm a hater and I'mma do it every time, of course.

[Nicole]

And I'm not saying it in a comparison type of way, but like even just kind of talking about what we were talking about with you earlier, I feel like cuz you got offered a crazy deal. So I'm not saying that it's not possible and you turned it down, but I think I feel like the reason that you turned it down wouldn't even have been a reason with one of them, if that makes sense.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the thing is, right, just speaking of what you saying, all of the white people that are in my ballpark took the bag like they left. That's not in my makeup. Like, I fundamentally disagree with that move. That's how I was built. I truly believe in my talent, my platform, my ability to produce. I believe in us. Like, I think we could always go over there. I think that's how racism started. We was over there doing amazing shit and they came with their binoculars and guns. But I believe in us. We're the most talented, creative, most thoughtful, loving, charming. Why would I Bet on anything else but me. Like, I couldn't think of a reason why. So, yeah, we do it our way, they'll do it their way. Their way may be faster, but I say all the time that the alternate route may be a longer one, but you end up with the same result, if not more.

[Nicole]

Right, right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, the path that I'm on and the trajectory I'm on and the money that I'm projected to make by the time I'm 50 years old, none of them can fuck with me.

[Dre]

Right.

[Nicole]

I agree. And I was gonna say that.

[Joe Budden]

There's not one of them out there.

[Nicole]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That fuck with me.

[Dre]

And y' all know I got to bring it back to the mess now. I'm almost at the bottom. I can see the bottom of my cup now.

[Nicole]

It's time for another drink.

[Dre]

Yeah, I mean, that's all right. But let me ask you this. Cause, like, I'm an avid comment reader. You know what I'm saying? I be in the comments sometimes. Cause I'm nosy and I'm messy on top of that.

[Joe Budden]

It gives.

[Dre]

How could you tell?

[Nicole]

But first of all, he knows in.

[Joe Budden]

Real life, Joe, I be an issue sometimes. Girl, I get it.

[Dre]

But no. Okay, I do have a question, because I. Well, Dre don't even know what I'm about to say, but I don't be knowing.

[Nicole]

I know, but I'm nervous now.

[Dre]

Well, no, it's genuine, because like I said, Joe is our friend. Obviously, we're signed to 85 South. That's our friend. But I always see people in the comments talking about, like, that you don't like 85. Or they'll say things like that. And I'm like, where does that came from?

[Joe Budden]

That couldn't be further from the truth.

[Dre]

I know it's not, but I'm like, do you know where it came from? Was it something like you may have said jokingly in an interview?

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Dre]

They just pull that out they ass. Huh?

[Joe Budden]

I mean, many years ago, I was mispronouncing DC's name.

[Dre]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

And it maybe thought something from that, but I just am bad with names. Yeah.

[Dre]

I mean, I am, too. And in your defense, now I am bad with people names.

[Joe Budden]

I've seen a few of them in. In. In the. In the airport travels. I always salute those brothers.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I love D.C. for that move he pulled with Wilding Out. You can't get no realer than that.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I've always. My heart goes out to him. I send prayers to him and his Family. I love their model.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I love how they did it. I love the live shows. Like, there's nothing that I. There's nothing that. There's nothing negative I could say about. About them. I'm a fan.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

You know, I'm a fan.

[Dre]

Okay. Because, you know, the people be talking, and I had that, but people talk. Yeah.

[Nicole]

Because y' all are obviously two of the top black men creators when we talking about podcasting in the entertainment industry in general. Because I don't even want to, like, categorize any of y' all as just podcasters because you all do so much outside of just podcast. But I think obviously that's the reason people always want to put people who at the top against each other, so.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's some, some, some people, that's all they're used to seeing, right? A clash. And, you know, we thrive in businesses that would be considered very competitive in nature. Whether that's sports, whether that's hip hop, whether that's podcasting. They not used to us loving on one another.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

They're not used to. Used to us empowering and encouraging and being tight knit. Just historically. They're not used to us not used to seeing it.

[Nicole]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

But now, yeah, it could be in front of your face and how you respond to that is on you.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Nicole]

That's a good question.

[Dre]

Go ahead, Go ahead. No, no, no, Go ahead, girl.

[Nicole]

Go ahead and ask another question. But we still. We ain't even got into topic number one yet.

[Dre]

I don't even know what the topic number one was.

[Joe Budden]

Tito's. Tito.

[Dre]

The Tito's Whooping her ass a little bit. I mean. Cause we already in there.

[Nicole]

Yeah, we already in there. Go ahead, friend.

[Dre]

Well, I know, because I do. I do want to ask this because I feel like a lot of times.

[Joe Budden]

This is off the dome.

[Dre]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

Talented motherfuckers, stop playing. We ain't even picked up the car.

[Dre]

We haven't.

[Joe Budden]

What the fuck you throwing? We ain't y'. All. They left you for dead, ho.

[Nicole]

But y' all see, this why I.

[Dre]

Feel like they like you, huh?

[Nicole]

This why they don't be liking us and you. Because they be like, these just be like, yeah, we ain't like y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Nicole]

We ain't the same.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, not at all. Not at all.

[Dre]

I. I wanna, I wanna ask you this, though.

[Joe Budden]

Like, because we're not the same.

[Dre]

I mean, I mean, you aren't. But that kind of go. That does go into the question, though, because I. I. Chills, darling. Lift that pinky up a little bit.

[Joe Budden]

She lifted that pinky up.

[Nicole]

Probably not.

[Dre]

Okay, so let me ask you this though, for real. So with, you know, the platform that you have and that you've grown and you get millions of views weekly, how do you, like, who do you take advice from? Because sometimes it's like, okay, I need to listen to my audience. Because you don't want to piss your audience off, but sometimes you got to like, hey, I got this, let me do this. So how do you decipher when you should listen to your audience and when you trying to tell them, hey, I got this.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I always listen to my audience. You got to always listen to your audience. But you also have to have a filter system.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

You got to know what is beneficial, what's just chatter, what you can trust, what is just chatter. But I've always. It's free market research. Like people pay hundreds and thousands of dollars.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

To get the information that again, back to. I think black Twitter is so amazing.

[Dre]

Really? Because, well, your discourse is crazy that.

[Joe Budden]

He has on there that people are just talking about black people. We could just get to talking. Yeah. And we'll tell you, hey, I follow a girl on Instagram right now and every day she get in her kitchen and she say, come one, come all, and it's an artist or a business and she gives free kind of publicist advice and she's amazing at it. This is what you need to do. You need to yada, yada, yada, yada. And you need to hire this, you need to make this song and do this remix and it's just for free. So if you got all of these people doing that, why wouldn't you listen to some of it? You certainly don't think that you know it all, do you? Yeah, you can't think that and want to progress. You don't think that you're just the best in the world and nothing. Hell, you're not too full of yourself, are you? See, that's what happens in podcast land. We dealing with that. Get in front of a camera and give off what they want to give off. But a lot of people are a little too full of themselves, too hard headed, too stubborn, can't work together. You can't bring them to an escape room and you all get out in the allotted amount of time. People have a hard time working together and you throw the fact that there's millions and millions and millions and billions of dollars involved. And now we get that. Okay, we get that behavior because the economy is fucked up.

[Dre]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

What's up.

[Big Lone]

It's big long from It's Up There podcast. On this episode, we're unpacking the difference between toxic love and a real bond. How so many of us were taught to survive love instead of experiencing it. A lot of men think being solid means being silent. I'm good. I got it. That's the script we memorize before we even know ourselves. Because somewhere along the line, expression got labeled weakness. So now we perform composure while we're falling apart. You'll share your body, but not a conversation. And that's not intimacy. But what if being a man really means you care enough to communicate? Real love isn't loud. It's consistent. It's the small things, the small check ins, the shared accountability, the honesty that feels awkward but keeps everyone safe. Stop confusing numbness with dependability. We gotta break the cycle and break the pattern. This special episode of It's Up There podcast with lone brought to you by Healthy Sexual from Gilead sciences on the iHeartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Whoa.

[Coca Cola Advertiser]

What a vibe we've got, y'.

[Dre]

All.

[Coca Cola Advertiser]

As always, it's classic HBCU energy. Nonstop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit. Chants echoing, drums beating, everybody showing that school pride. Moments like this. Yeah, they call for an ice cold Coca Cola. Crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

[Joe Budden]

Mmm.

[Coca Cola Advertiser]

Yeah, that taste always hit the right note. Just like the band at halftime. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere, and an ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo. No matter the place, no matter the moment, Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU Pride going.

[Rip Current Narrator]

May 24, 1990. A pipe bomb explodes in the front seat of environmental activist Judy Berry's car.

[Dre]

I knew it was a bomb the second that it exploded. I felt it rip through me with just a force more powerful and terrible than anything that I could describe.

[Rip Current Narrator]

In season two of Rip Current, we ask who tried to kill Judy Berry and why she received death threats before the bombing. She received more threats after the bombing.

[Joe Budden]

The man and woman who were heard had planned to lead a summer of militant protest against logging practices in Northern California.

[Rip Current Narrator]

They were climbing trees and they were sabotaging logging equipment in the woods. The timber industry, I mean, it was the number one industry in the area. But more than it was the culture, it was the way of life.

[Dre]

I think that this is a deliberate attempt to sabotage our movement.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Episodes of Rip Current Season 2 are available now listen on the iHeartRadio app. Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, y', all, it's me, your man, M.G. marcus Grant. And I'm Michael F. Florio. And I'm Laquan Jones. If you're looking to win your fantasy football league, you need to tune in to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast. It's right there in the name. Every week, Florio, LQ and I bring you the latest news from around the league. We break down every matchup, give you our analysis and advice so you know who to start, sit, drop and trade to bring that championship trophy home. I just want to remind everyone how good Rasheed Rice was last season. In these three healthy games, he was the wide receiver. Two in fantasy, I think Rash she Rice just goes off.

[Joe Budden]

This week, the Chiefs come on. A flip pass to Rice near side. Touchdown.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Ray Stevens is my sleeper this week. This is a matchup where I think I can slide in Stevenson in my flex position and he could deliver double digit points this week.

[Joe Budden]

Drake takes the snap, hands it off. Ray running it right and running into the end zone.

[Dre]

Touchdown.

[Rip Current Narrator]

It's never too late to turn your fantasy season around. Subscribe to the NFL Fantasy Football podcast on the iHeartrade radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dre]

For 25 years, I've explored what it.

[Big Lone]

Means to heal, not just for myself, but alongside others.

[Dre]

I'm Mike Della Rocha. This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing.

[Rip Current Narrator]

What do you tell men that are hurting right now?

[Joe Budden]

Everything's gonna be okay on the other side, you know, just push through it and you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow.

[Dre]

Which is why one of the most.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Revolutionary acts that we can do as.

[Dre]

People is just breathe.

[Joe Budden]

Next to the wound is their gifts. You can't even find your gifts unless you go to the wound. That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my gifts. I don't want to go through all that. You got to go through the wounds of your life, listening to other people's near death experiences, and that's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer.

[Big Lone]

Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the My Kutura Podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever.

[Rip Current Narrator]

You get your podcasts.

[Nicole]

Yeah, I mean, it's hard. It's hard to work with people.

[Joe Budden]

We stab you in the back hole.

[Nicole]

We talk about that all the time on the show.

[Joe Budden]

Because people are always for less than a thousand dollars.

[Nicole]

No.

[Joe Budden]

You better understand what the price of life is.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Out Here, turn on the news. Turn the news on.

[Dre]

I watch first 48. It gets nasty on there.

[Joe Budden]

It get bad.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

And especially in business. I mean, we talk about that all the time. Because I feel like people are always asking us, how do you do business with your friend? And I think we've just been really blessed to meet each other. And neither one of us are super money hungry to the point that we really just worry about each other stabbing each other in the back over a dollar.

[Dre]

Cause I mean, what we've learned, and we learned that early on, the money gonna come and it's gonna go, but.

[Nicole]

Then we not gonna get along too.

[Dre]

Yeah. And that's so. Cause you realize, like, this is my sister. We having a fight today, but we'll get into it. She'll call me. More like, girl, let me tell you what happened. Cause some tea gets too hot. We can't fight right now, bitch, there's some tea going on in the streets.

[Nicole]

Then I got hotter than what we got going.

[Dre]

I gots to talk about it. But going back to my question and then we gonna move on. I got one more.

[Nicole]

Okay.

[Dre]

The reason I asked that about the influence and what they have on the decisions that you've made, because I do wanna. I have to ask this question about the show. Because the shift from Melissa to Mona was so different. Cause I love Melissa and I love Mona. We've had both of them on the show.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Dre]

How. What was that decision? Because they're so opposite. So how did you even think? Cause Mona. Melissa was great. Mona is great. You know what I'm saying? But how did you even. You know what? Let me put her in that seat and see how it works. Like, how did that shift come about?

[Joe Budden]

Well, it's tough to say. Right. Like, when Mel did the show, I courted her. So that process took some time. I was just a fan of her and I believed in what she'd be able to do in that type of environment. It's the same with Mona. I courted Mona, so she just joined. But this is like years in the making of just me being a fan, me watching her, timing her, just comedic genius. I'm such a fan of her.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

So it didn't really matter that, hey, you're not like, you know, like, I didn't plan on, you know, so it.

[Dre]

Was supposed to be Mona on the couch with Melissa still there.

[Joe Budden]

If you're asking me to draw. Yeah.

[Dre]

Okay. I didn't know that. Cause it. I mean, on the outside, you know. Cause I'm one of Them girls. I be turning on the podcast now in the car. I gotta put it on low though, so when the people drive by, they don't hear it. But I turned it on.

[Nicole]

That's what I was asking.

[Dre]

I'm just joking. I'll do what I want. I'm joking. I'm just saying. But it surprised me. Cause I too thought it was like, oh, Mona came in to replace Melissa. Cause that's how it looked to all of us, that is.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Two totally separate things having nothing to.

[Dre]

Do with, with one another. Okay. Okay.

[Nicole]

So I don't know. Joe is our friend. I just always have to give. We always like to give people they.

[Dre]

Flowers when they come to the show.

[Nicole]

And one thing that I've just always loved, like you just really don't give a. You just because he don't. And I just have always love that about you. Like it doesn't matter the backlash that you get on the Internet. It doesn't matter what people say. You always just gonna do you, you gonna have your strong opinions, you gonna stand 10 toes on what you say. And it doesn't matter. In whole time, you get so much discourse and so many people who have negative things to say. But you still over here building, building a multi million dollar empire. So it don't matter what the they saying. And I just love that. Yeah, about people, like about you.

[Joe Budden]

It took me my whole life to learn that other people weren't like that.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So like I've really come to appreciate things that are unique to me. I love all that shit. I love the rebelliousness, I love the anti industry attitude. This shit is just in my. If you talk to my dad for an hour, you, you totally understand it. Yeah, it's in my blood. Yeah, it's in my blood.

[Dre]

Cause we was talking about this earlier. I was saying like I knew like today, I was like, we don't ever do shit like this.

[Joe Budden]

Me neither.

[Dre]

That's what I'm saying. Because the way we had to hop off this flight and get to you, but it was important to us, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

And I appreciate that. No, for real.

[Dre]

I could tell that.

[Joe Budden]

I felt that from y' all and I appreciate that.

[Dre]

Yeah, for sure. You know what I'm saying? Because. But it's just like, it's certain conversations that like that matter. And you be like, okay, we, we gotta make this happen. You know what I'm saying? That. But for real, we love to give you the flowers now.

[Nicole]

We do. And we've never had you on the show, which is so crazy, because that's what I'm saying. Like, I feel like we've known you for probably almost 10 years now, and we've never had you on the show. So it was just so important to us to make sure that we made this happen while we was out here.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I'm glad that y' all did. Anytime y' all know my number.

[Nicole]

We do.

[Joe Budden]

I'll be there in a hop, skip, and a jump, period. Super proud of y'. All. Y' all know that even though this is my first time, I'm a huge supporter all the way in Jersey. If I traveled more, I'd be in Atlanta more, and we would kick it more. I'd be a. A constant guest. But.

[Nicole]

And, I mean, I get that too.

[Joe Budden]

Stop. If I lived in Atlanta.

[Nicole]

But that's what I was gonna say. I do feel like it's the fact that, like, Joe never comes to Atlanta ever. And we come. I mean, we do come to New York sometimes.

[Dre]

We.

[Nicole]

We come here more than Joe comes to it.

[Joe Budden]

Exactly. I try not to go places that I don't have business.

[Nicole]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I'm just not traveling for the leisure and for the hangout. I'm. I'm not.

[Dre]

But that's the point I was making.

[Nicole]

Earlier about come here for business. To be honest, most of the time.

[Dre]

Well, that's what I was telling him earlier to it.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Heavy.

[Nicole]

It's always something.

[Joe Budden]

That's the airport risk. Ho.

[Dre]

Light work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. This is just on quick one. B1.

[Dre]

A little Thursday light work.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I mean, TSA might have a problem, so I don't wanna get.

[Dre]

Beep, beep, wait, beep.

[Nicole]

Security.

[Joe Budden]

Hello.

[Dre]

But. No, but that's what I was saying, too. It was important for us to link up with you because, you know, we gotta be mixy. Right. So we're going to the events, we're going to the award shows. We're going to this. But, like, you don't do that. So I was like, nah, we. We're not gonna. We gotta make this happen. But I. I admire that about you. Because you know what? One thing about me, I cannot wait till we get to the point where our career. We don't gotta show up. I don't gotta tweet, I don't gotta tick tock. I don't gotta be on Instagram. Like, you don't gotta do none of that.

[Nicole]

You just gotta do stuff for interaction. I feel like all the time, like, even though the show is growing and we do get A lot of viewership at this point. We still have to do a lot of things to like create more interaction on our page.

[Joe Budden]

And there's nothing wrong with that.

[Dre]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

There's nothing wrong with that outside of it being career based because I'm blessed. But when y' all hit y' all 40s, y' all just gonna, y' all just gonna love home being home.

[Dre]

Oh, I love that now.

[Joe Budden]

I know. But in your 40s, the way your body reacts. Like last night, I was just telling my girl, girl, I was hit. You know I was hitting the streets last night. I was hitting the streets hard last night.

[Dre]

I am weak.

[Joe Budden]

And she know I was on a hot Wednesday night. It happened. The heat is on in the crib. It's windy out. You ate the bed. Cleaning lady made the little bed all good.

[Dre]

I know that's right.

[Joe Budden]

It's cold. Your new show came on. You gonna fall asleep. Daylight savings. Daylight savings wake up at five o'.

[Nicole]

Clock.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you going to bed. Yo, I ain't no lie.

[Dre]

I feel like I'm there.

[Joe Budden]

I already.

[Dre]

But I'm not far from 40. I'm 36. Like I'm going to. I'm really right around the corner. That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

God is preparing you.

[Dre]

I'm. I just bought my house. I be in there decorating, renovating.

[Joe Budden]

I be at home preheating that thing. Hey, I'm about to build my.

[Dre]

Come on. I know your going to be nice.

[Nicole]

Going to be a for.

[Joe Budden]

I'm excited about it.

[Dre]

Okay, now obviously we not getting to.

[Nicole]

These topics we haven't gotten into, but we going to topic yet.

[Joe Budden]

I. I mean you already asked your little tea question.

[Dre]

I mean I got some more in the chamber.

[Joe Budden]

She slick. She asked her little tea question already. And she slow walked that dog too. Huh?

[Nicole]

You already knew she was gonna ask. That's why I be up here like headless. Go ahead.

[Dre]

I mean I. But I'm a fan but because you know, we friends but I am a fan. So I got to ask, you know what I'm saying? I'm a fan too. I gots to know the team.

[Joe Budden]

You just messy and nosy and in business and you don't care about who opposite of who. They such.

[Dre]

Yes I do. They such a housing man. Girl, I do. I do care. I need to know Joe.

[Joe Budden]

They both wonderful women are not a monolith.

[Nicole]

Right get to us. And I feel like Lex asks the hard hitting questions like you ask the stuff people want to know.

[Dre]

I mean it's not Even that. It's not even what people want to know. It's really what I wanted to know.

[Joe Budden]

Don't ask me no hard hitting question in an episode that we not gonna sell for more than the other episodes, too. See, I'm not with black people. Just sit down. Be messy for nothing. No. Go tell your adverts that Joe Button is here and we getting to it three weeks in advance.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

We can sell for more.

[Dre]

All right. Shout out to Tyler.

[Rip Current Narrator]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Don't just be asking me some for free in the episode. Do what it normally do.

[Nicole]

No, and that's what I noticed too. I'm over there giving politically correct answers.

[Joe Budden]

They got to run it up. Where? Over where today?

[Dre]

You think so?

[Joe Budden]

You think so? No, you don't.

[Nicole]

But you just made a good point. Cause you said we needed to promote this shit weeks in advance to get the real raw answers.

[Dre]

I mean.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, but we could do real raw. Let's go. I feel like y' all safe with the questions.

[Nicole]

You think so?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Now, I went out on a limb with that because normally I would have said no comment. I'm not at liberty. That's true. But. But I gave y' all a little bit.

[Dre]

I mean, I feel like he gave us a little bit. And you know me. I'mma assume and I'mma twist that shit. I'm gonna say Joe said, I'm just playing. I'm not gonna do that. But no, I think. I think he's been honest enough to where, you know, it answers the question. Like I said, I feel like if we were having a friend conversation off camera, I think his answer would have been a little different. But I feel like if I'm a fan listening, that was satisfied.

[Nicole]

And I think because he is a friend, that's why we not, like, really in going more.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all can get into it. I feel like because it's my first time here, we've touched on a lot of serious and important topics.

[Nicole]

We have.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And it's important to do that. But y' all know I'm a bird, so.

[Dre]

You are Lil Ratchet.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all know I'm a bird.

[Dre]

I love the fact that you love Ken the man. Cause you know that's our girl from H town.

[Nicole]

That is our girl. We love.

[Dre]

He loves Ken.

[Nicole]

I saw the post. I saw when he was talking about her on the show.

[Dre]

Shout out to Ken.

[Joe Budden]

Mona put me on FaceTime with Ken. She's supposed to do the show soon.

[Dre]

Oh, yes.

[Nicole]

It's gonna be a good episode. Our homegirl coolie Actually manages her too. Shout out to Coolie.

[Joe Budden]

And if they thought I was a bird before. Ooh, I'm a bird out.

[Nicole]

When K up there can be spitting that real. She really do.

[Joe Budden]

I'm so happy for her.

[Nicole]

I love the way female Southern rap is, in my opinion, taking over again, especially like the Houston girls.

[Dre]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole]

Is killing right now. You can't have a conversation about female rappers from the south without talking about Mona Leo.

[Dre]

Oh, yeah.

[Nicole]

Came out is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Mona Leo.

[Dre]

Yeah. You gotta get into it. Oh, you don't love it.

[Nicole]

I'm putting you down.

[Dre]

I'm putting you on.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, I know.

[Dre]

Don't give a. About our.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah.

[Dre]

Don't give a. About a. For real.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dre]

Okay, now we gonna. We gonna talk about that. We gonna get that lady to the box. We'll.

[Nicole]

We'll wait.

[Dre]

Yeah, we. We gonna. We gonna wait.

[Nicole]

Yes.

[Dre]

So we gonna get. Let's. We gotta go to the bed.

[Nicole]

Oh, wait, wait, no. I feel like we need to do topic number two.

[Dre]

Yeah, let's do topic number two. Let's do topic number two. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Cause no, it's funny. They on topic number two. They got 80 little sheets in front of.

[Dre]

They know they used to this sheet. Not one time I was using this as a fan.

[Nicole]

We trying to make poor minds a little more structured and organized. But it just be so hard because I feel like we're. We just do it off the dome naturally.

[Joe Budden]

It's a vibe.

[Nicole]

I mean, we vibing not to pop it like that.

[Joe Budden]

Potting is a vibe thing.

[Dre]

It is.

[Joe Budden]

It's a vibe thing. It's a chemistry thing. So. Yeah. Just sitting there or. Yeah.

[Nicole]

N. Okay. So we were going to talk about classism. That was going to be.

[Dre]

I know.

[Nicole]

And elitism. That was going to be.

[Dre]

I know.

[Nicole]

Choice. So that was going to be the first topic. The second topic is what's the debate you never want to have again? Because I feel like on your show, you're always debating with people about a lot of the craziest topics. It'd be heated debates. And it gets a little crazy over there on your show. So that was the second topic.

[Joe Budden]

So we kind of covered some of the second topic. I can get that out the way in three seconds. Religion, politics, gender wars. If I never do that. Any of that again, I'm perfectly fine with that.

[Dre]

Okay. But you and Ish be going at it. Has that always been Yalls friendship? Cause y' all be.

[Joe Budden]

We go at it. That's always been our friendship.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

We don't go at it. About religion or politics. Okay, maybe there's a gender war here and there with me, but me and him kind of agree on some stuff. Yeah, but he's argumentative. So am I. Him and I have this ability to get to go from 1 to 100 and there be no recoil. Like, everything is still cool. Yeah. Okay. Nobody's mad. Nobody's angry. I don't have a lot of friendships like that. So. Steel, sharp and steel. I think it's, like, mental exercise for us. I think we both know that each other enjoys that type of joust, and we have a real good time that we've done that our entire friendship.

[Dre]

Oh, I like Ish. Cause he one thing about it, he'll say something and he gonna stand on it.

[Nicole]

And he's well informed, too. Like, I hate when people say stuff and then they don't. Never have the knowledge to back up that be me.

[Dre]

I just be saying shit. I don't give a fuck. I be like, who told you that? I don't know, but how do you feel about when. Now that Mark has been brought in, how do you feel like, when people say, oh, Mark is too smart to be there? Mark is, like, laughing at y' all and speaking above y'. All, you know, how does that make you feel when you see stuff like that?

[Joe Budden]

I don't really care anything about that when I see that.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I come from. Let fans say what fans say. Yeah, they are fans. I learned a lot from. I learned a lot from Mark. I think that Mark has learned a lot being up there. He's been nothing but an absolute pleasure and joy to work with. Can nobody come tell me nothing bad about Mark? I'm so in this euphoric state that y' all could say that all day. Now, The Angela Rye shit we had to address because you talking about anti intellectualism as it pertains to our podcast.

[Dre]

You're right.

[Joe Budden]

You're not playing no more.

[Dre]

Okay. And that's what I was really talking about.

[Nicole]

I feel like he's like a human encyclopedia.

[Joe Budden]

He's so.

[Dre]

He was like. Cause in 1864, like, loving it.

[Nicole]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Like, that's. It's kind of like what we were talking about earlier when we were talking about Candace Owens. It's just certain people, you just don't.

[Joe Budden]

Really want to be.

[Dre]

Oh, yeah, Ish. Bold. I like, but I like it. That's what I said. That's why I like Ish. Because he gonna. I know Ish will argue with Mark, and he Gonna stand on it knowing he's a human encyclopedia.

[Nicole]

Right? Right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, Mark is like that. And I love that we getting that he's bringing the audience of educators, and, you know, he's bringing that. But if that was all he was, he'd have never got the job.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I appreciate the Philly nigga that is Mark.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I love that he could just kick it about shit that has nothing to do with his PhD or his class that night or what's happening in Gaza. Like, he could just get on fuck shit, right? So he fits right in.

[Dre]

But I think it's important to have somebody who can talk like that in these spaces, too. You know what I'm saying? Cause we be learning shit. Yeah, it be. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I didn't know that. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It's important to show how complex we can be. And I think that. I mean, Mark has been my favorite addition.

[Nicole]

Like, I love it.

[Dre]

It eats down.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Dre]

I mean, I feel like a lot.

[Nicole]

Of people on the show, though, have had that complexity. Like, I feel like Melissa was, like, somebody who surprised a lot of people with how intellectual and how intelligent she was. Like, I just think y' all was.

[Dre]

Going word for word, Okay, I had my phone out on chat. GPT. What the hell does conundrum mean?

[Joe Budden]

And y' all cried.

[Nicole]

We crawled.

[Dre]

We did crawl.

[Nicole]

Cried.

[Joe Budden]

I cried.

[Dre]

That was the first time I cried on the show. For real.

[Joe Budden]

But that was in there.

[Dre]

It was.

[Nicole]

It was. But, yes, I feel like she brought a certain level of substance. Substance. And she was very intellectual. And I don't think people, like, expected that from her before she came on the show, because prior to that, she was. She was a video be to a lot of people. And I think you having her on your platform and giving her the platform to be who she is and show how intelligent, she would show people a different side of her. I mean, and obviously you, too. And like, you said, ish. Like, I feel like it was people like that before him, but.

[Dre]

No, yeah, no, that. But I'm saying, like, because, like, people like to say it's a revolving door, but I was like. I think, like I said, I've been watching the show since it was you. I started when it was you, Roy and Ma. And to see it now, like, I ain't gonna lie.

[Nicole]

This lineup right now, it's a good lineup.

[Joe Budden]

It's powerful. It's powerful.

[Nicole]

You got some heavy hitting.

[Dre]

Yeah. Cause Mona, too. Mona is smart as fuck.

[Nicole]

She is.

[Dre]

She goofy, and she Funny. But I love that balance of people who are super fucking funny and super fucking smart, too.

[Nicole]

All right.

[Dre]

Okay. God damn it.

[Nicole]

Yeah, girl.

[Joe Budden]

Y' all are writing and everything you're saying. I'm a huge. I'm a. I'm a fan of not only everybody on the show, but most certainly the Philly portion.

[Nicole]

Yeah, they are both from Philly.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Mona ain't never gonna let you forget.

[Dre]

Yes, I love a good cheese steak.

[Nicole]

Okay, so let's talk about classism a little bit. Before that, though, I have to give a shout out to Taylor Port, because that's why we keep getting off topic.

[Dre]

Of course.

[Nicole]

That's why it took us too much money. 45 minutes.

[Dre]

Hey, we deep in there to get.

[Nicole]

In to the first Joe.

[Dre]

You got two minutes. I told you, I'm cutting you off at the hour mark.

[Nicole]

That's why I took so long.

[Joe Budden]

You got a party to get to.

[Nicole]

So shout out to Kort it make you teleport. And that's what we over here doing.

[Dre]

I know that's right.

[Nicole]

So I wanted to ask you, do you think that black people subscribe to, like, classism, elitism, and politics too much?

[Joe Budden]

Do I think that black people subscribe to classism, elitism, and politics too much? Well, I can't say that. We subscribe to politics too much. I can't say that.

[Dre]

Yeah, I think. I think more so. I'll say. I'm not answering for you, but classism, I think we do.

[Nicole]

Or maybe more so respectability to politics.

[Joe Budden]

More shit that we adopted, though.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

It comes from somewhere else.

[Nicole]

Well, maybe more so respectability to politics. Like how much we respect politics in the black community.

[Joe Budden]

I would like us to. To respect it even more at some point.

[Nicole]

Fair. But I feel like we come from a time especially where, like, it was a big thing for us to be able to vote for.

[Joe Budden]

Sure.

[Dre]

Right.

[Nicole]

It was a big thing for us to be able to vote. So now that we have the ability to. Do you think that black people put too much emphasis on the ability to be able to do that?

[Joe Budden]

Because I come from the school, and my vote matters.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

My vote matters.

[Nicole]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

I didn't always have that understanding of my vote. So I can see where you're coming from with that.

[Dre]

Right.

[Joe Budden]

At 45, I'm saying I have a great understanding of my vote. Yes. I think that my vote makes a difference. I think that it counts. I have a say. So I want to say so. And. And who we're electing and what their views are in terms of what they're gonna do for the underprivileged, the underserved, the city, the streets, the gays, black people. Do you want it diverse? Do you not want it diverse? Like, today I'm paying very close attention. New Jersey almost flipped. I say it all the time. During the presidential election, New Jersey almost flipped. Even now. We won, right? We won the other day. Governor Cittarelli lost.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

But Donald Trump expressed his disappointment.

[Dre]

Oh, he was pissed.

[Joe Budden]

In Cittarelli losing and in New Jersey. And he was like, I thought New Jersey. I thought we were on the same page. And I see that we not. So. Yeah, no, that shit is important to me.

[Dre]

Yeah. Oh, me, I'm drinking. We good?

[Joe Budden]

You look good.

[Dre]

Oh, I thought you were telling me wipe my mouth.

[Joe Budden]

No, I was wiping mine.

[Dre]

Oh, okay.

[Nicole]

Well.

[Dre]

And I wanna answer that question too. I think that we don't talk enough about politics. And I think, like, we only get out and vote and not even that much. Like, when it's a presidential. When it's a presidential thing going on, not local elections, we have to do the local elections. Like, I think we not talking about it enough. You know what I'm saying? But I also think that this. What's going on with the government shutdown right now. Like I said, I'm a scroller. I like to know what the kids is talking about. That's when the classism pokes out for the community. Like, you will be shocked.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I hate to see.

[Nicole]

I hate it.

[Joe Budden]

I'm seeing some of these clips go around of black people dancing in the aisle with the paper towels, talking about, oh, it's empty in here. Because I don't like seeing none of that.

[Dre]

Yes. And I think we get to a point. Point to where? Like, where do we understand, like, we are. I don't want to say we because, you know, some people, like, it's a tax bracket thing. Right. But people that are, like, talking like, if you lost your job right now, a lot of the mo. The majority of Americans, like, are two paychecks away from being. So the conversations that. That people are having, like, oh, just go to work. I go to work. Why are y' all complaining? Why are y' all crying? Like, do you realize if you lost everything you two paychecks away, I don't care. And then, you know, once we start making money, we create more bills for ourselves. The financial literacy in our community is almost non existent. And that's why I always say, like, even when it comes to us, like, making money and, like, deals, I always Be like, oh, girl, how much they pay you? Because they pay me. This what they doing, what's going on? Because we have to be more clear and vocal and talk to each other. The first time when I had a 9 to 5, my co worker at the moment, she was like, oh, girl, they not paying you enough. Cause you have your degree and I don't. This is what they paying me. We have to talk about things like this.

[Joe Budden]

I agree. I agree. The communication is very important with us. We not where we need to be in the relay race to have the time for the separatism or the classism or the elitism. If you black and you in America, no matter how great you're doing, and I'm a prime example of that, that I'm doing great, you, your whole family ain't. Your entire friend group ain't right. This is not like some of them other white families where it's generation after generation after generation after generation of that been handed down. And now all of us is part of the estate and we be it up and we. This is not. This is not what that is. A lot of us come from struggle and we come from where we come from. So if you black in America and you doing great, it just shouldn't be time to celebrate yet. It's time to pull the next person up. Like you said, communicate, share the information. Don't gatekeep each one, teach one. That should be divide right now, at least again, I'm 45. Like, I'm looking at my kids. My oldest is 24. My youngest would be 8. Right. It's about just planning to get. Get others, right? My little brothers, my little sister, the next wave, my little nieces and nephews, my little cousins. Like, who are we writing down when you get to estate planning? Oh, like, it can't just be if.

[Nicole]

People even are planning estates. Because I feel like a lot of people don't even have health.

[Joe Budden]

Well, a lot of people life insurance. Well, a lot of people don't have that. A lot of people don't have a lot of people on that. Yeah, a lot of people can't afford to die today.

[Nicole]

Yeah. Facts.

[Joe Budden]

It's expensive to die.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

So God forbid, you died somewhere that's far from home and they got a transport. Transport.

[Dre]

Oh, y' all gonna have to just put me in the liquor store in the bag. Put me in the bag.

[Nicole]

Didn't 2 chain say that when I die with me?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Oh, he has a Gucci stove.

[Dre]

Well, I bet you inside the liquor store. Well, you know What? I will say this. We made Jaden Smith happy today. Cuz we talked about the economical state of the world. Remember that interview he did? He said, yeah, bro, we made him happy today. Well, for me, we did our due diligence.

[Nicole]

For me, personally, I just hate the classism and elitism that, like, social media has created because it's all of these eras online. What you mean like. Like the soft girl era? How do you feel about all of these eras and aesthetics that people are creating online? Because it's like a false sense of classism and elitism to me. Because just because you dress the part, that doesn't mean that you a rich girl. That doesn't mean that you a soft girl. That doesn't mean that you're actually living that lifestyle. But I think that it's created this sense of like, oh, if I look this way, then I'm better than.

[Dre]

Better than you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Especially in the black community when it comes to black women. Because are you, I'm sure you familiar with the soft girl era.

[Joe Budden]

Very.

[Nicole]

Okay, okay. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Very much so. But again, I feel like. I feel like even that is adopted, right? Because where does it come from? What's the origin of that? I was outside in 2008, 2009, when not many people had Instagram and I guess. And a couple of my own girls. We've talked about that. That first wave of Instagram getting lit was Basketball wives.

[Dre]

Yeah. And athlete girlfriends, the Wags.

[Joe Budden]

And they was shown. They was. They were in line. They were really at the Clearport on the jets with the rings and the bags and the Birkins. And before that, Instagram was just. You take a picture of your food.

[Dre]

What?

[Nicole]

I said that the other day with a sepia filter.

[Joe Budden]

That's it. Hey, we was happy.

[Dre]

Sepia is crazy.

[Joe Budden]

We was happy with our little Valencia.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

And that was the end.

[Nicole]

Look, Joe, when I was in college, our shoe of Choice in like, 2011 was TOMS. We used to love Toms and Sperry's. Nobody gave a fuck about having no Prada loafers, no Gucci loafers.

[Dre]

These days you got to have that shit on.

[Nicole]

College kids. If you don't got that shit on, you're gonna get made fun of. Like, we didn't even care about that back when I was in college.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, my two little brothers just went to college, right? One of them. And one of them has always been kind of aware how he looks. The other one never cared about fashion and clothes. He went up there for one month and came back talking about Joey can we go shopping? I already know I need some clothes. The girls is looking at me. They paying me attention. These niggas grew up in their bedroom on Twitch or whatever game they were playing. These are people first time out in the world.

[Dre]

That's nasty work.

[Joe Budden]

You absolutely right about that. But from the basketball wives and the athlete wives, it got to the nightlife girls from there. It wasn't the 9-5ers. It was people that were getting quick coin that could show you all this type of shit. So, yeah, we seeing the evolution of that. Too many people sat at home looking, comparing, jealous economy down again. I ain't gonna keep looking at this whole up running around. And I can't rub two rocks together in my house.

[Dre]

Ooh, wee. They love the pussy watch.

[Nicole]

Yeah, but.

[Dre]

Oh, she fucking him. Is she getting that?

[Nicole]

But I definitely feel like classism is one of, like, the least discussed forms of division within the black community. Oh, yeah, we don't really talk about it that much. How. And especially, like, the false sense of it. Like what I was just talking about with, like, all of these eras and trends that are going on that falsely make women, especially in the black community, and men too, think that, oh, I'm more superior than this person without no real backing. Like, right. Got a trust fund.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

You don't have a life insurance policy.

[Dre]

You know, when we got a net worth, you don't got.

[Nicole]

You don't have a net worth. You don't have anything.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

So when we're talking about. About what really matters when it comes to classism, we don't even embody that. But we still think we better than people because of aesthetic.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with everything you're saying. What I'm learning again, in my 40s, this is all just coming to me now. That fades. Like right now. If you get money for long enough, then the circles you and everybody got, everybody has.

[Nicole]

Right?

[Joe Budden]

Everybody got so. So the separatism starts to come from some other things or what's important changes in my 40s. It's our health.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like, what's going on in hip hop? Are all of these black men executives, people in fashion, Virgil. Fucking artists. We're dying before 60 years old that we just now communicating. Hey, get to the doctor regularly. Check on yourself, get the heart scans, do the MRI. These other communities, these white people on 5th Ave. And Park Avenue, they dragging their whole family to the doctor every month to get these tests. Some of these people in the Jewish community are getting together every week to have conversations about how to do whatever they're doing. I ain't invited to meet, but they have these meetings. So. Yeah, today in. In my 40s. Yeah. Let's. Let's work out. Let's walk, let's jog. Let's hit the treadmill. Let's. The money. Once you make a couple dollars. You know how to make a couple dollars.

[Dre]

Yeah, but.

[Nicole]

But unfortunately, I feel like we dying rich. Yeah, but we don't look at it like that as a community, because let's talk about it. Like, it's a certain level of respect, respectability that you get in the black community based off of the aesthetic and how you look like. People are considered more credible if they have the things, the material things.

[Joe Budden]

Look the part, right?

[Nicole]

If you look the part, it could be somebody who is saying the same thing, is somebody who has more material possessions, and they won't listen to that person because they don't have the things. I feel like that's. That's another part of, like, the generation that we living in right now.

[Joe Budden]

I agree with that. I agree with what you're saying, but that comes with financial literacy, Right. And us understanding. Some. Some other groups have gotten paid. We didn't get paid. So, yeah, we need to understand what a lot of this. A lot of people out there. This is our. We the first ones in our family to touch, right? This type of. So we learning. We learning, and the learning is where it's at. Damn. I had a point that I was getting to that. I forgot.

[Nicole]

It'll come back to me, but I feel like it's. Cause we come from nothing, majority of us.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Like, we come.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, that's what I was about to say. We gotta.

[Big Lone]

We gotta.

[Joe Budden]

Financial literacy is gonna help us to understand where our money is going. Right? And when you get into that, we gonna go to Louis. You go into Prada, you go into all these Italian places, you get in your foreign car, you get in your or your rose, your money ain't going back to somebody black, right? So part of that recycling in our community, the circulation of money, you go down Canal street, you go to the Chinese restaurant, niggas got what they got. When it come to the Dominicans in Jersey, I say it all the time. They got the barbershop on lock, like they're circulating money to each other. Black people. We get ours, and where can we go? And even as an entrepreneur, right, like y' all are podcasters, an important lesson was, okay, how can I get the money to funnel back to me and not all of these other places and people like it was in music. So it's the same thing outside. Like how do we feed each other, support each other, pay each other.

[Dre]

And I think that's a lot of. It'd be a lot of gatekeeping too. Like, I feel like sometimes, like you said with the, the classes and with our community, a lot of times when a black person get on that other side, they don't make sure they kind of like open the door and be, you know, bringing other people in and trying to, and trying to help.

[Nicole]

It's kind of like how I got here.

[Dre]

Hey, I'm here. Y' all on, Y' all on type shit.

[Joe Budden]

Self centeredness is at the core of a lot of people.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Today, gatekeeping can't prevent you from your destiny or your legacy. Like if you, if you have Wi fi, if you have a phone, if you have a good idea today, you have the tools to execute. They can't blackball you. Like, there are millionaires being born every day. Yep.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

My kid watch YouTube videos. Every one of them videos is at 90 million views. I don't know who on the other side running it. At one point I got mad like, you gonna watch some of these black shows or what? Enough for little shark, Filipino like kids. Can we get a black kids show with some. Goddammit.

[Dre]

Oh my God, that's funny.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm just saying, the gamers, they getting money. The streamers is getting money. During the pandemic, it was only the young 25 and 30 year old crypto niggas going to get the Rolls Royces and they bought all the Lamborghini trucks. And so the world is different today.

[Nicole]

Facts, everybody wanna be famous.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. They can't stop you. They can't. Nobody can stop you. That's why I don't take the money. I can go get the money. I go get it on my own and not have to answer to you, not have to listen to you, consult with you, convince you of some shit. Because people don't never see the vision until the house is built. I'm not convincing nobody or nothing. I got too many years of turning the fuck up and making other people millionaires.

[Dre]

Yeah, I know.

[Joe Budden]

That's right. It's over. No, it's over now. It's over now. Yeah. No, we're going to do this with, with our friends and our people and our tribe and then see how it go. People that love us.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Some of these companies today, they even the biggest the companies in the world. You got to have the person there that understand what I'M thinking the black brain, you got to account for it now. They got it at Amazon, they had it at Apple, they got it at Netflix. They have it now. So, yeah, the world is a little different today and we still got a long way to go. I'm not saying that we where we need to be, but the world, all we could do is try to leave the world a better place than it was when we came into it.

[Nicole]

Do y' all ever feel like, though it's hard for us to advise people or like people don't want to listen to our advice or what we have to say because we're not necessarily part of the working class this anymore?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but I. I think we got to leave some people behind too.

[Dre]

Oh, for sure.

[Joe Budden]

For sure. There will be casualties. Everybody, Everybody can't come to paradise.

[Nicole]

No. Yes, yes, I agree. But I was just asking because I think a lot of the time I've noticed and, and maybe this is something that you've noticed too, when you speak about these type of things on your show. But me and Lex get a lot of backlash of people just being like, y' all can't see speak on this or. That's easy for y' all to say because also people like to attribute certain things to pretty privilege and things of that nature as well. So do y' all feel like people don't take what we have to say when it comes to, you know, politics, elitism, classism seriously because of the position that we in?

[Joe Budden]

Maybe, maybe. I'm sure that exists, but the proof is in the work. The proof is not in words. And again, we don't have time. Time, time is almost most valuable asset. We don't have it to convince the people or try to change somebody. We could leave a path, lay out a route so the people behind us could see that where there's a will, there's a way. And oh, we can do this shit. We could have representation in some of the most important sectors in the world. But stopping to talk, my days of that are done.

[Nicole]

And if anything, that's where I agree with you because I feel like that's more of the reason why people should listen to us and more because we are the representation. We're the small piece of representation in such a larger group of people that don't look like us.

[Joe Budden]

But you can come listen to me on my podcast, right? That. That's where I'm gonna come talk. That's where I'm gonna tell you exactly how I did it. The people in my friend group, I seen Them, I seen them do it. I could tell you how they did it. I'm gonna come there and be honest and vulnerable and hope that somebody out there gets it. That's carried me my entire career. So the talking outside of that, no, I'm gonna talk with my voice is amplified. It's so much more of a tool than it ever was. Rhyming words. And I think I was one of the best rappers ever. But today, that's right. The right, well executed thought on the right platform could change the next however many years. And we have to think like that. And today we have that. I'm here with y'. All. There's too many other black places I can go to express that and shit. There's some white places I can go.

[Nicole]

Right? Right.

[Joe Budden]

When I see Gary Vee, when I see he's like, yo, we gotta get together.

[Nicole]

Yes, I love Gary Vee.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I love him too. But you know what I mean. Get with the people that can help the cause and help the mission. I'm not stopping to convince nobody or nothing.

[Nicole]

I agree.

[Joe Budden]

See you on the other side.

[Dre]

Remember when I told you, when we had that conversation, I was like, we don't need to convince anybody. Anybody that want to work with us. I'm not being like, oh, I'm not. I'm not in the point of like selling myself. Yeah. To like tell somebody like, oh, no, you need to listen to poor minds. We're beyond pretty. And then at the end of the day, poor. Since Wind Down Wednesday Episode one All that shit is still uploaded. Yeah, you can see us sitting on her floor. The blueprint print is right there. The proof is in the pudding. It's right there. Nothing was handed to us. We literally still, to this day, we are still working our asses off. So it's like for anybody that doesn't want to listen or they don't. I'm not finna sit here and convince you.

[Joe Budden]

Tell me about. Listen, I'm not. Yeah, my days are done. I'm not selling myself. Don't ask me about how many CPMs. I'm not gonna have a CPM talk. If you talking to me in CPMs. That really is the end of this discussion. It's a trick.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You can't trick me today. It's my loud, strong, important black voice speaking to my very loud, black, strong audience that's loyal and will spend and trust me. So that's more valuable than what your CPM is going to say.

[Dre]

Are you ever going to tour again?

[Joe Budden]

Who knows? Who knows?

[Dre]

I Had a good time.

[Joe Budden]

That's what's fly about it.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like touring. I don't really love touring. Okay. I love seeing the fans and. And getting into that. But if I. If we did some shows would be some pop up shows in. In New York. Maybe we pick selected select cities and do maybe five of them. But I have no desire to.

[Dre]

And you should perform too.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not gonna do that.

[Dre]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

I have no desire to make my.

[Dre]

What he should. He said he was the best lyricist.

[Nicole]

But you need to give them perform anymore.

[Dre]

That's why it would be the specialty.

[Joe Budden]

No, it was the vehicle to get me to the next part of my life.

[Nicole]

Catalyst.

[Dre]

I know, but I'm just saying, just for like one night only. No, one night. Okay. You always gotta.

[Joe Budden]

Then they might come to me. I'm just saying, they might come to me with like rapper deals again.

[Dre]

Yeah, now we talking about.

[Joe Budden]

No, we're not. I work too hard to get away from rapper deals.

[Dre]

I mean, you could, but you don't gotta do like a whole album. You can just give us one little song that we can twerk too.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, it won't be that.

[Dre]

I know. We don't wanna hear that shit, Joel. We wanna shake and pop that pussy.

[Nicole]

Speaking of rapper deals, Joel is probably one of the only people who haven't rapped in so long and still be in rap beef. Like, you haven't put out a rap song in like, what, like 15 years?

[Joe Budden]

10 years.

[Nicole]

10 years. And you still be in rap beefs with some of the biggest rappers that's out right now.

[Joe Budden]

It's more fun to beef with them on a pod. And it's more likely because I'm talking too much.

[Nicole]

Why do you think people. Why do you think. Why do you think a lot of these people get so pissed off about your opinions? Cause they're just your opinions.

[Dre]

I know. Why?

[Joe Budden]

Well, many reasons. Yeah, Many reasons. One, some of these people from music respected and admired me. So to see me now not doing music and just talking shit, it's like, damn, I like some of your joints. And now you sitting there talking all this. I totally understand that. Two, I talk too much. Yo, I do. And I'm not.

[Nicole]

You a little chatty?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not, dog. It's two times a week. It's eight hours. Eight hours of pop. It's too many words. I need breaks from hearing my opinion on things. Every single thing I go in there and say as soon as it's out. Here's what Joe Budden thinks about yada.

[Dre]

Yada, you know, all the tea.

[Joe Budden]

Here's what Joe Button. Oh, yeah, I know the tea.

[Dre]

You be knowing the tea. I mean, as soon as something happened, you already done talked about it.

[Nicole]

But that's how you know you're such a respected voice when it comes to speaking on music. Because people get so upset when you say anything negative about their music. Anything negative. That's just your opinion. I never understand why people get so frustrated about other people's opinions. That's how you know you're a powerful person.

[Dre]

Yeah. But let me ask you this, though. Do you feel like sometimes you be a little biased?

[Joe Budden]

Probably, yeah. Probably.

[Nicole]

But bias in what way?

[Dre]

I feel like sometimes because you have, like, a relationship with somebody or like, y' all cool in real life, you be more biased and like, leaning towards them or leaning towards you or you on the other side or you don't. If you don't like somebody, well, for whatever reason, you be. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

That's one of the perks of being powerful.

[Dre]

Yeah. You can be like, I can do what I want and say what I want.

[Joe Budden]

Some people go through the airport. Some people get to go in the Delta Club and have some almonds and slushies and shit.

[Dre]

Little chicken salad.

[Joe Budden]

Some of y' all gotta go to the gate. Look at me, Bill.

[Dre]

Exactly. And you just.

[Joe Budden]

Hey, we like.

[Dre]

Both of y' all talked about shame. Hey, we about both lines.

[Nicole]

First, one thing about our love being.

[Dre]

We love a little elite.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, for real. Just a little.

[Dre]

Just a little bit shame.

[Nicole]

Sprinkle.

[Joe Budden]

Just a little bit, man.

[Nicole]

Little sprinkle.

[Dre]

I mean, I get that. But like I said, at the same time, since you have such a powerful voice, especially in the hip hop community, sometimes I'll be like, damn, Joe, you need to go in there with a clean blank slate and not be biased.

[Nicole]

But how can you not be biased when you know people already? That's easy for us to take. Cause we don't even know a lot of people yet. But I think once you build relationships and you're friends with people and then you might have had issues with other people, it's hard, isn't it hard to not be biased?

[Joe Budden]

I think so, too. I think we ask a lot of podcasters. Yeah, some of these people are dicks behind the scenes. Some of these people are jerks. You don't root for them. But the bias for me, the biasness for me comes in not speaking about you. That's where it comes in. Not in nothing. I say like some people because I Love them and know them behind the scenes. I'm not gonna say a word. I'm not gonna tailor what I would have to say. I just am not gonna say anything.

[Dre]

Oh, now I get it. That makes a lot of sense. Because you don't want to.

[Nicole]

You never speak on us, and we be in controversy sometimes.

[Joe Budden]

I love y'. All.

[Nicole]

I know, cuz. He never speaks on us.

[Dre]

Well, we haven't done anything. We be.

[Nicole]

First of all, they attack us constantly on Twitter. We always getting.

[Dre]

Well, we haven't done anything in a long time.

[Joe Budden]

I was just talking to you out there about shit that we have experienced together, and you was mad and wanted me to shut up about it.

[Dre]

Yeah, cuz, shut the hell up.

[Joe Budden]

But that's my boy, and you better shut up. I didn't say nothing.

[Dre]

All right, this is gonna get real chilling. I'm finna act like it, but I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Just saying that's part of the bias, right? Like, I don't talk about. My friend says shut up.

[Nicole]

I will say that you told him. You told him that before we started filming. And he has been on his best. But, hey, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

I get a bit.

[Dre]

No, it's not that, cuz. I. I mean, I'll take what we talked about. I just feel like we have talked about it a lot. Me and Joe. Joe was talking about how, like, when back in the day, when me and Dre used to talk about bdbs and. And I'd be like, you know, dre, teach the girls. We need to know something. How I get that trip, How I get a little one, too.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Dre]

And he was like, oh, we going to talk about it. I'm like, you know, well, cuz, I'm.

[Joe Budden]

Talking about you doing it in real life, not on air.

[Dre]

No, because I feel like we. We have done that conversation a lot.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but it's. How many niggas was involved in it?

[Dre]

I mean, but we don't care to talk about it no more because I think that our brand has surpassed that. Like, okay, we get it. We fuck with niggas with money. Okay, whatever. We got the money now. I don't give a fuck about that shit no more.

[Joe Budden]

Listen, I feel you. That's how I feel when they try to talk about broke me.

[Dre]

Yeah, why we gotta talk about that? But you know why she ain't been.

[Nicole]

Broke in a minute.

[Dre]

What's up, y'? All? It's your girl xp, and it's your.

[Nicole]

Girl Dre and Nicole.

[Dre]

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[Nicole]

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[Dre]

Yes. If you really sip with us and.

[Nicole]

You a part of the port crew.

[Dre]

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[Nicole]

Absolutely. Exclusive merch updates. Everything. Y' all gonna know everything that's going on with it.

[Dre]

Okay, but honestly, this portion is brought to you by her fantasy box. And I'm not gonna lie to y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dre]

Her fantasy box. Shout out to y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Dre]

Just hopped off the plane. Had to come straight here. I had to use them everywhere white.

[Nicole]

Now that's what I said. I said we could have been ranked, however to be prank.

[Dre]

This don't never.

[Nicole]

This don't never st. Hey, give it to him. To them everywhere white.

[Dre]

Joe wrote that.

[Nicole]

He got us. He did.

[Joe Budden]

No coffee. Don't be telling people. I know if y' all don't stand.

[Dre]

Oh, wait, we. I didn't mean, like.

[Joe Budden]

Then it's going to sound like, like, me. Y' all could be. Have a little. I don't. I don't know. Okay, but tell him why I don't.

[Nicole]

But it's not right.

[Joe Budden]

There you go.

[Nicole]

Because we use them everywhere wipes as soon as we got off that flight.

[Dre]

Y. Yeah, that rhyme. Come on now. Give it to him.

[Nicole]

I Lowkey needs to get in the stool with you because I could be a writer as well.

[Dre]

Joe, can you please write me a verse? I just want to eat up one time. Just write me a verse. I want to diss everybody that be podcasting.

[Nicole]

And if you also want to eat up, like, you could also use the everywhere wipes and make sure that she's smelling fresh before you eat it.

[Joe Budden]

Let me know if you gotta wipe it before I eat it, too. How?

[Nicole]

Why would I let you know? I feel like know, though. Cause you can smell it.

[Dre]

Like, it's like, cuz why y' all use the wipe? And then, like, sometimes cuz, like, do.

[Joe Budden]

Be in that bathroom for a while.

[Dre]

Why smell like pomegranate? You just cleaned up with that dial in there.

[Nicole]

You ain't low, but I ain't mad at that. Is that worse than just coming in.

[Joe Budden]

The room and just letting this is next to garlic.

[Dre]

Talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

Go ahead and wipe that pussy down.

[Dre]

You know what? Sometimes I like to mix it up.

[Nicole]

And I love a wipe that you can use everywhere.

[Joe Budden]

Yep.

[Dre]

Me too. So what's the bed topic today, Dre? What we talking about? No, you gonna get into it. I ain't flipping my cards, bitch.

[Nicole]

Yeah, I feel like you need some. Bring a topic.

[Dre]

Okay, okay, okay. Have you ever been doing the whole.

[Joe Budden]

Episode she keeps saying. But back to my topic.

[Nicole]

And it ain't.

[Joe Budden]

No, that's my girl. Ain't a topic. The first you ain't. She is still on. The first little cue card I've been.

[Dre]

Trying.

[Joe Budden]

Is beating her down. Girl, it is. Look at my girl. My me, my baby. My baby. My baby, my baby. Look, you look like you got a dick you happy with. I ain't gonna lie, Joe. We're not. I ain't gonna lie. You look like you got a dick that you are thrilled.

[Dre]

Hey, what was that other song? Remember when Shantae told her friends, Shantae's got a man at.

[Joe Budden]

She said, I'm sorry.

[Dre]

Sorry that I tell my girl every.

[Joe Budden]

Week her and Sean think I shouldn't call me. Get your ass in the house. It was just.

[Nicole]

She was very disrespectful.

[Dre]

That was rude.

[Nicole]

Sorry that your man left you alone. Damn, bitch.

[Dre]

That's nasty work. Okay, we gonna talk about it. Have you ever been doing your thing on a partner and like, they couldn't finish? Like, you felt like they may be too. Like, in their head something was going on. And then you was like, I gotta do this. And it became like a. Not a game, but it was like you were determined. Like, have you ever been with them before?

[Nicole]

Have you ever had a headstrong partner?

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dre]

So what did you do in that moment?

[Joe Budden]

I don't remember. Because I only remember my baby that I'm in love with now. I don't remember any of the old people.

[Nicole]

Sure.

[Joe Budden]

That's happened because I'm old. I'm a dinosaur.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Nicole]

Have you ever let a woman blindfold you?

[Dre]

Okay.

[Nicole]

I feel like it's a certain level of trust that has to go into that because you don't know what the somebody gonna do if they put a bomb fold on your ass. It doesn't matter what they tell you they gonna do. It's about the fact that now I'm not in control no more. Especially if you tired of.

[Joe Budden]

I don't like that. But I've done that to know I don't like it?

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

Why don't you like it?

[Joe Budden]

I'm a hands free person when it comes to intimacy. Don't tie me up and sit me there. I'm getting antsy. That's not gonna work. My dick would be soft. It's not. It's not happening.

[Nicole]

Yeah, I mean I don't have a.

[Joe Budden]

Deep, but I feel like every guy. I feel like every guy has that girl that I don't want to say turned him out, but taught him, taught him the. The do's and the don'ts, the ropes, the facts of life. You take the good, you take the bad, take them both and then you have. When it comes to sex. So that for me, the bad and.

[Nicole]

You take them both in the ass.

[Joe Budden]

No, they take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and then you have the facts of life. I was singing song.

[Dre]

He didn't, you know, he did not say that. You did not hear that.

[Nicole]

It did sound like.

[Dre]

Why did you let her play you like that?

[Joe Budden]

I thought you was talking about her.

[Dre]

No, that's what I'm saying.

[Joe Budden]

I thought she was just into anal and I was shutting up.

[Dre]

No, she said she thought you. You said that you just. Okay, we going to move on.

[Joe Budden]

Facts of Life is one of the most popular old TV shows. Child. I would have never thought she was making an anal joke.

[Nicole]

Okay, but I thought you was making an anal joke.

[Joe Budden]

I never been into that.

[Dre]

Really?

[Nicole]

We don't know that. We didn't know that about in the.

[Joe Budden]

90S was into that. I wasn't into that.

[Nicole]

The 90s, you don't think they still into it now?

[Joe Budden]

I would know. I'm 45. Life. I don't know what the answer is.

[Dre]

He's with his baby.

[Joe Budden]

He in the 90s, you stick your dick in somebody ass, they was going to run all around the room. It wasn't going to be enjoyable. She might start bleeding like it was.

[Dre]

Oh my God.

[Nicole]

Oh, God.

[Dre]

That sounds violent.

[Nicole]

It sounds traumatizing.

[Dre]

Walking around the room with a bloody booty hole. Crazy nasty word. On white sheets. That's too.

[Nicole]

That's too.

[Joe Budden]

On white sheets.

[Nicole]

On white sheets.

[Joe Budden]

Why we still got white sheets?

[Nicole]

I mean, I'm assuming maybe y' all at a hotel, y' all in the hotel room.

[Dre]

Well, you know, white sheets are the best for your skin because you know, they say there's no dyes in it.

[Joe Budden]

I got white sheets.

[Dre]

Yeah, you're supposed to have always the white sheets.

[Joe Budden]

You switch them out with some more.

[Dre]

White sheets, you have to have about like Four of them. Just on backup to rotate them and throw them in that thing now.

[Nicole]

But it's the visual of running around with a bloody booty hole. That's crazy.

[Dre]

Ooh, I eat too many beans for that, Joe. I love a good baked bean. Do you like beans?

[Joe Budden]

I know, I'm black.

[Dre]

Yeah. I love people. People who don't love beans. I don't rock with them. Cause you really trying to stunt and be cool. Everybody love a good bean.

[Joe Budden]

Beans. Peas.

[Nicole]

Yeah. I don't like peas, though.

[Joe Budden]

Where your family from?

[Nicole]

Are we talking about rice and peas or are we talking green peas?

[Joe Budden]

You like Black Eyed Peas?

[Nicole]

That is a pee.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You like Black Eyed Peas? You're black.

[Nicole]

Only on New Year's, though.

[Joe Budden]

All right, here's the trigger for good. Look, do you like. Do you like llama beans?

[Dre]

No, I love a good llama. I don't like it. I love a good llama bean.

[Nicole]

I like chickpeas.

[Joe Budden]

Kidney beans.

[Dre]

Oh, now you're talking my lane.

[Nicole]

I like kidney beans. That's like red beans, though.

[Joe Budden]

Same thing.

[Dre]

I love a good red bean.

[Nicole]

And I like black beans.

[Dre]

Okay, we gotta get back to the bad topic.

[Nicole]

A little pinto, too.

[Joe Budden]

You like. You like. You don't get the one. That weight we was talking about without liking some peas. Beans.

[Dre]

Yeah. And you know what?

[Joe Budden]

You eating something. You eating some fire, sticking to your child.

[Nicole]

Beans be cool. But I just feel like beans make you gassy. I say this all the time like people who love beans. I know you be farting.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah.

[Nicole]

You supposed to fart all the time. Like, I feel like if you eat beans a lot, you be having them farts that you just can't control.

[Dre]

Well, nobody did.

[Joe Budden]

I take my Pepsi, Oreo, Beano.

[Dre]

I mean, but chlorophyll, too. When you. When you take chlorophyll or you drink a lot of chlorophyll, you gonna pass that out? Sometimes you gotta get that out. Get them toxins out.

[Joe Budden]

You fart in front of your.

[Dre]

You know what? I don't. And if I have. It was like, a mistake, but he don't care. And he thinks that's so weird about me. He'd be like. He actually be like, stop doing that. It's a little weird because I'll, like, walk out of the room.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. All right, okay.

[Dre]

And he'd be like, you are childish. I don't know. I'd just be someone. I don't know. It's a thing. I know. We actually have talked about this, because.

[Big Lone]

She'D Be like.

[Dre]

She gonna do what she gotta do.

[Nicole]

He about to know. Now I've done it. He. I don't think he knew.

[Dre]

Oh, okay.

[Nicole]

Because I do the trick, which I've talked about on the show before.

[Joe Budden]

There's a.

[Dre]

Tell them the trick. Tell them the trick.

[Joe Budden]

Fart trick.

[Nicole]

Yeah, you just gotta, like, lift the cheek up and like, spread this. You gotta like, spread the cheek so that it's solid. And it's like.

[Dre]

Cause the fart from.

[Joe Budden]

That's when it turned into room spray.

[Nicole]

No, but if you under the COVID as long as he don't lift the COVID up, how he gonna do it?

[Joe Budden]

I'm not fucking with you.

[Dre]

Yeah, that cover gonna get lifted up and it's gonna bomb the house.

[Nicole]

I feel like farts go away and like, give it 20 seconds, it's gone.

[Joe Budden]

20 seconds a long time.

[Nicole]

Not Lex farts, though. Cause she be eating all them beans.

[Dre]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Do it under the COVID My girl. My baby. My girl likes pee now.

[Nicole]

Yeah, but I feel. I feel like normal farts go away in like 20 seconds. Like, you just let it all.

[Joe Budden]

She.

[Dre]

How it sound? So you can't hear that.

[Nicole]

You can't hear that.

[Dre]

But what if it's quiet in the room? You can hear that.

[Nicole]

No, you can't. The TV should be on.

[Joe Budden]

Something should be on.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Should be on music, tv. Something should be happening.

[Nicole]

People fail to realize it's the cheeks that make the noise now.

[Dre]

I do agree with that.

[Nicole]

It's the cheeks that make it go.

[Dre]

And this thing, it makes it rumble. Yeah, that.

[Joe Budden]

I'm totally comfortable right now. Like, I'm in my element.

[Dre]

Okay?

[Nicole]

What do you mean you're in your element?

[Joe Budden]

My wheelhouse. Come on. Farting.

[Dre]

We're humans, right?

[Nicole]

And farting.

[Joe Budden]

Squirting.

[Nicole]

Squirting and farting. Squirting.

[Joe Budden]

They still doing that out there? Squirting.

[Dre]

You know What. What do you mean, still? I think that's new to the masses. Well, no, when squirting came on the.

[Joe Budden]

Scene, they still out there making a mess.

[Nicole]

That's new to the masses.

[Joe Budden]

Arrest them.

[Dre]

That's been that.

[Nicole]

That has become popular in the past.

[Joe Budden]

Citizens arrest, but exactly.

[Dre]

Squirting. Like, if you're like squirting, sometimes it's just like you trying to do a magic trick. Calm down, bitch.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, it's like, do the normal.

[Dre]

You know, you can control that shit.

[Joe Budden]

Do the normal pussy.

[Dre]

Yeah, do the normal little. You know what I'm saying? But all that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, like when I go to get a pedicure and the lady be like, you Want the massage chair? No, I want the regular chair. We spray it everywhere. I just said I got white sheets. I just said it was white cheek.

[Nicole]

But the thing is, if it's really squirt, yo, she's gonna still be white. Yeah, they might be a little yellow.

[Joe Budden]

How many times is it really squirt peeing for real?

[Dre]

They be letting that. Yeah, they be letting that tequila out.

[Joe Budden]

I get bond with Drea. What do you mean, the truth come out? Tell the truth about these.

[Dre]

Yeah. Hell, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God. I'm done with y'. All.

[Nicole]

They be like, oh, I'm a squirter.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, they do be peeing.

[Dre]

Bitch, you nasty. You're a peer. I be knowing. I mean, but, like, like, I agree with you. It's just extra. It's a magic trick, and you don't have to perform it. Calm down. Who did? Yeah, yeah, Wrap that up. Okay. I. I did have a question pertaining to the bed, though, because I see this happen a lot, and I've had some homeboys told me that it works. Like, they'll, like, you be having a conversation with the girl, and obviously you're not, you know, you haven't dated in a while. You're in a relationship. But, like, men will be like, yeah, I don't come from head. Just. Just so she can go, like, super hard and be like, yeah, I can make you come, though.

[Joe Budden]

The funny shit is, I believe there's a lot of men that believe that.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. And you get the other side of that. You get the men that say, I'm not a big head guy, but do you. Which I say that I'm not the biggest head guy.

[Dre]

But is it the truth? Like, would you tell girls that so they would go harder?

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Dre]

Oh, you were just being honest. Like, you.

[Joe Budden]

Don't you want to know the truth? And probably shouldn't say this on your platform, but I'll say it. The truth is, I don't think it's a high percentage of women that know how to do that the best. So most men's. Most. A lot of men's experience. Let me say that not most. A lot of male experiences are bad head. Or I much rather be fucking you. Like, let's get to something that's gonna make this nut come out. Not what you doing down there. Cause it's relinquishing the control. Right. Like, you at the mercy of her. And if she don't know what you're doing or she don't really know you. Cause we in the era of fucking people, you don't really know then what you gonna do. Sex is about knowing your partner, knowing where to touch, knowing what to say, knowing. It's about knowing. So if we in the era of just fucking strangers know, that nigga ain't gonna know how to eat pussy like your ex that you was with for five years. And, no, she ain't gonna know how to suck dick like your ex with for five years.

[Dre]

But I believe that you can, like, you can teach somebody, you know, the things you like. That's why I believe in talking to your partner and telling them the things that you like. Like, women have this thing of, like, faking and just being, like, performative, like I said, with the magic tricks. You doing all that, you not even turned on. You just doing it to perform and show out instead of really talking to him and telling him, hey, I like this. But men do the same thing, too.

[Joe Budden]

And that's part of intimacy, right? Being able to have conversations about it. Like, what turned you on? What turned you off? What did you enjoy? What did you not enjoy? And that's back to just practice of communication. A lot of people are not having those tough conversations. They not.

[Dre]

I agree. I agree, too. I be talking, though. I'm gonna get my rocks out.

[Nicole]

No.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

I'm gonna tell you what I like and don't like. You need to move over here a little bit.

[Dre]

Move over where?

[Nicole]

What do you mean?

[Joe Budden]

Hello.

[Nicole]

Now you in my be.

[Dre]

Okay. All right, all right, all right.

[Nicole]

But yes. So now it's time to get into the bop.

[Dre]

Oh, the bop.

[Nicole]

Bow, bow, bow, bow, bow.

[Dre]

Okay, so bop of the week is the songs that we've been jamming this week. So we were talking about Mona Leo earlier. I talked about her project before, but I really want a specific. Specifically talk about this song. Cause like I said, the album is like a gothic, you know, Southern, real dark album. And she has a song called Open the Gates, and she's really, like, paying homage to her homegirls who have passed away. And she does a good job of, like, telling their story and how she just, like, you know, open the gates. I really miss my bitches. Open the gates. I love a storyteller. She tells a good story on this album. Another song that I love is Dignified. She tells, like, a drinking and driving story. Cause we don't talk about that in the black community a lot. You know, y' all need to stop drinking and driving Ubers is. I don't give a fuck how much the Uber is.

[Nicole]

Take the Uber.

[Dre]

You know what I'm Saying so those two songs really stuck out on the project to me. Open the gates. Dignified. If you don't even listen to the whole project. Listen to those two songs. Shout out to my girl, Mona L. Period. All right, Draya. Huh?

[Nicole]

Um, yeah. So I'm going to highlight. Speaking of Houston girls.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Nicole]

Can the man. Her kind of famous deluxe album drops tomorrow.

[Dre]

The deluxe.

[Nicole]

The deluxe album drops tomorrow. Which I know we talked about her album earlier this year when it drops, but, yeah, the deluxe drops tomorrow. So I'm just shouting Ken out again.

[Dre]

Yeah. Love Ken. She went on a crazy tour.

[Joe Budden]

We love you, Ken.

[Dre]

And that's hard to do. Touring is hard right now.

[Nicole]

It is. That tour was crazy. And we went packed. We went to the Atlanta show, and it was sold out. They showed her so much love, and we was just so proud of our girl. Shout out to her and shout out to Coolie.

[Dre]

Making it happen all the time. Who is. Who is your favorite female rapper right now? Like, who are you? Like, yeah, Longevity. She's got it.

[Joe Budden]

I like most of the girl rappers. I don't have a favorite.

[Dre]

Okay.

[Joe Budden]

Like, I'm a fan of powerful female rap, so I like most of them.

[Dre]

Yeah. What did you think about.

[Joe Budden]

I love Glow. I love Cardi. There's Nikki. And then Everybody hates each other. I love Lotto.

[Dre]

Everybody hates who?

[Joe Budden]

Everybody hates each other.

[Dre]

Oh, everybody. Oh, they do. And it makes it hard because it's like, you feel like if I'm praising this girl, that I don't hate that other girl. I just like this. And I'm jamming this right now.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Nicole]

We always feel like we have to tread lightly on the show because we don't ever want people to feel like, oh, we praising this person. So that means that we don't like who they hate.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. Yeah, it's true. It's coin.

[Nicole]

Yeah.

[Dre]

What you been jamming as of recently? It can be old, new.

[Joe Budden]

Honestly, I've been listening to. I did a lot of Jagged Edge on the way here.

[Dre]

Oh, no, that's right.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm still on the Kehlani wave. I've been listening to that folded pack that she put out as a fan of. I used to purchase maxi singles, so I love the Tony version of Folding.

[Nicole]

Ate that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, she killed. I love the Neo version, the Tank version.

[Nicole]

I saw you in Tank. Comments.

[Joe Budden]

They was pissing me off. Kept previewing these shits. Yo, if y' all don't put some of this shit out this heat.

[Dre]

So, yeah, I think tonight I was cracking up.

[Nicole]

I said, joey's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

I think tonight, her new song, I think it's called by the Window. I'm not sure. I think that comes out tonight. Kaylani is just on an absolute tear. K1. I'm listening to a lot of K1. Destin Conrad. Love him always. Dustin Conrad.

[Dre]

Yeah, same you, you, I. I know it. Cuz you deep in your bag with that Destin. He is fire. Big fan.

[Joe Budden]

I like when I find some of the newer guys. Isaiah Falls, Isaiah Haran. Okay. Yeah, some guys out there, sir. Of course.

[Dre]

Oh, sir.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dre]

I mean, that pin game is very, very, very serious.

[Joe Budden]

No, they out there. Bryson. Bryson is killing, Chris. Like R B is. R B is thriving and killing.

[Dre]

It's really on fire right now. Now, let me ask you this. What did you think about Cardi's album?

[Joe Budden]

Loved it. Yeah, I loved it.

[Dre]

What is your review on it?

[Joe Budden]

8 out of 10.

[Dre]

Okay. I like it.

[Joe Budden]

I thought her first album was a classic. I thought it deserved to win the Grammy. That it did. And this was a good follow up. I think it took too long in between. But the music that she put out, it's quality music.

[Dre]

And so do you feel like, though?

[Joe Budden]

Cause I ain't say shit when y' all was out here fucking mine.

[Dre]

I didn't. I didn't say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Words.

[Dre]

Yeah, I didn't say nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Cardi says some on that project. And I'll be in New York. I'll be on New York strip clubs.

[Dre]

Right? You do. You love Airtime is a classic. You a strip club veteran.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Dre]

But let me ask you this, though, because I know you have a. A friendship with Nikki, though. So do you feel kind of like. Because they got their deep, their beef is real, real deep. So do you kind of feel like.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm not. See, that's where it's out of my ministry.

[Dre]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I support both of them as a New Yorker. So in 2007, when my God brother showed me a video of Nicki Minaj rapping in Queens, like the Meg video that went around when she was rapping in short shorts in Houston, I was like, okay, so to see her go from that to where she is. Same with Cardi. I was in those strip clubs. To see her go from that to this, to see glow. Really? I like the story. I like the story. I like to see somebody I think is talented start in one place and kill that shit and end up somewhere totally different. So I'm not in that. I'm not a Stan. I'm a fan of the music. And if the people are Cool. I'll fuck with them. But other than that, I'm not with the back and forth and catty. That's. That's. That's not. That's not for me.

[Nicole]

But do you think it's annoying just because of the position that you in? I feel like people always want to you to peek a side.

[Joe Budden]

Well, yeah. And anything negative I say about anybody, they act like you never said anything positive. So, yes, it's tricky. Yes, it gets tough. But I'm always on the side of the music. I love the music, not the people. So I'm not going to pick people. I'm not doing that. Whoever got the Slap out whoever album I think is harder. Yeah, that's probably the side I'm going to be on. And if y' all both killing, then it's a wash for me.

[Nicole]

Oh, now it's time to get into our favorite segment of the show, which is pour your heart out.

[Joe Budden]

We done got into our favorite segment.

[Nicole]

You have any questions, testimonials?

[Joe Budden]

I'm a them up.

[Nicole]

Questions, testimonials, Anything. Ask poorminds. Gmail.com. that's a S K P O U r M I N D S Gmail dot com. Are you a good advice giver?

[Joe Budden]

I think think so.

[Nicole]

Okay, Hydre and licks. I need some advice. I've been with an Aquarius man for almost four years. I treated him like a king. Cooked, cleaned, stayed loyal. I am a my man, my man type. And I even have my own business and even go to school. Everything was fine until one day he told me he doesn't feel the same anymore. Now he's distant, turns off his location, and we still live together. My friends keep telling me to focus on on myself, but it's hard because I love him and I would do anything for him. How do you heal from something like this?

[Joe Budden]

Answer her.

[Dre]

You answered.

[Joe Budden]

Oh.

[Dre]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

Well, nothing like that ever happened to me. I had motion, okay?

[Nicole]

Now she ain't got no motion.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, I wish my partner would wake up one day talking about. I don't feel like you feel. Are you shitting me? Okay, hey, hey, go get a rescue dog. Hey, go get you a little animal or something to help pass the time in the mean. What the fuck, Joe?

[Dre]

Basically saying you're a loser.

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm saying. I'm saying don't waste your time with a man that don't feel like you feel. There's too many men out here.

[Nicole]

So facts. I agree.

[Joe Budden]

Get you a little Yorkie or something. Until one of them Niggas, you know what I mean? Do the right thing.

[Dre]

Especially if you living with somebody and they treating you like that. I'm not living.

[Joe Budden]

Well, he moving soon. She don't know. Hey, she don't have no idea. She writing us. Hey, we live toget. Girl, he is down there packing.

[Nicole]

Oh, that makes me sad.

[Dre]

This is not.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Dre]

I'm not laughing.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sorry.

[Dre]

Yeah, let me stop, right?

[Joe Budden]

She writing a damn poor mind.

[Dre]

Hey, what's wrong with writing in a poor mind?

[Joe Budden]

I say that when they write into my show, I read the problem and be like, see, this is the damn problem, Joe. You writing to me and us.

[Nicole]

I just can't even take Joe serious right now. Cause he look like Ray J on that.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, shit.

[Nicole]

I saw that fucking love and hip hop episode where the hat kept moving. Oh.

[Dre]

Oh, I'm sorry, Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, my God.

[Dre]

I think you know what I'm saying. I love you, first of all.

[Nicole]

Yes, we love Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Seriously, Whatever you love in the house, nail it down.

[Dre]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

He gonna take your favorite pot bitch that you like to cook at.

[Nicole]

Not that callaway.

[Joe Budden]

We gonna take something that means something to you. That pot great grandma gave you.

[Dre]

That been in the family magite pot that Dutch.

[Joe Budden]

Ian, if you call me one more time while I'm on this show.

[Dre]

Ian, don't. No, no respect.

[Joe Budden]

Yes, hello. Yes, hello.

[Dre]

And we leave, boy. Anyway, and before we go, because we. Y' all were talking about this on the break.

[Joe Budden]

It's time for their.

[Dre]

No, shut up.

[Joe Budden]

Shut up.

[Nicole]

What's your advice? You could give advice. I'm not gonna give none because I read the question.

[Dre]

Well, I just feel like. I mean, I agree with Joe. I feel like it's too many men out here and to, like, be living your house is supposed to be your sanctuary where you feel good and you going home to a that don't like you. Let's move on.

[Nicole]

I agree.

[Dre]

Let him go. Be free. Sometimes you gotta go pop that a little bit. Joe, let's talk about your head shape.

[Nicole]

What?

[Dre]

It's a good thing. I'm trying to compliment you.

[Joe Budden]

Which camera's mine?

[Nicole]

You do have a good head shape.

[Dre]

That's all I wanted to say.

[Joe Budden]

We have had such a great time. This has been one of my favorite guest spots that I've even done with two of my favorite podcasters. All genres, all genders.

[Dre]

I'm lolling down the rolly highway, asking God to please forgive me for messing up the blessing he gave to me. I see everything clearer now.

[Joe Budden]

There you go?

[Nicole]

Nicest darkest, darkest it's ever been? And we?

[Dre]

Without my girl, I'm losing?

[Nicole]

And I pray that he just sheds his grace?

[Dre]

Homie, I need?

[Joe Budden]

Come on, come on, bring it home?

[Dre]

Feel like I walk right out of heaven?

[Joe Budden]

I feel like I?

[Nicole]

Just like a child that's lost?

[Joe Budden]

You can tell? Left home?

[Dre]

You don't know what to do?

[Joe Budden]

She know every word to this mother. She was in the house crying.

[Dre]

Get back right with you.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, man.

[Nicole]

So Joe got to sing a verse. Go ahead.

[Dre]

He.

[Joe Budden]

No, I just stuck with y. All right. Check where my camera at.

[Dre]

Hey, that's all right.

[Joe Budden]

Sa.

[Nicole]

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