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In this episode, Matt Stauffer sits down with John O'Nolan, founder of Ghost, the open-source publishing platform he runs as a nonprofit that's deliberately capped at 50 people and can never be bought or sold. It's an unusual perch from which to be one of the most AI-optimistic builders in tech.

They get practical fast: John's Codex Desktop setup across two Macs, why "goal mode" is the biggest workflow shift of the year, running adversarial red-team sub-agents mid-task, and the risk-based rule for when to ship AI code versus pump the brakes. Matt shares his own turning point building a Laracon puzzle in hundreds of thousands of lines of code between meetings.

The conversation widens into where this all goes — a future long tail of small, niche businesses competing with giants, why "you're bad at prompting" is a more useful frame than "the AI is bad," and John's "made in China" theory for why today's slop era gives way to quality.

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