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Episode 179: How to Work from Home, Even with Kids and Save Your Sanity
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Katie Read
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Welcome to the Private Practice Startup podcast where we help ambitious private practitioners across the globe to brand themselves and grow their dream practices. We chat with successful private practitioners, business coaches and marketing experts, bringing you tons of practice building Ninja tips. Visit privatepracticestartup.com for awesome resources, attorney approved private practice paperwork, and our signature marketing E course. Here are your co hosts, Dr. Kate Campbell and Katie Lemieux.
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Hey, Startup Nation.
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How you guys doing today? So we are in the midst obviously of the COVID crisis and all of our podcasts are really shifted and the topics are all about supporting you guys during this time. So we've shifted some things. Our podcast schedules off and you guys are just gonna bob and weave. And then you know what the cool thing about podcast is that they kind of like mark the history, right? And at some point in time, you guys are going to be listening to this in the future, whatever that future is. And hopefully this will be like a reflection and we'll be in much space at that time. So for those of you joining us for the first time, we wanted to say welcome to the Startup Nation family and we so appreciate you guys during this time and we appreciate the ability to serve you during this time in ways that we can through our podcast or level up videos. Really meeting your guys needs where you're at, that's really important to us during this time and also letting us know how we can continue to serve you during this time. Last week I had the opportunity to speak to Perry Rosenbloom, the CEO and founder of Brighter Vision. And Perry and I kind of did this like a double podcast where we're talking about a topic from him and a topic from me. And the title of that was prepping your practice and website for telehealth. So if you didn't. If you didn't get to listen to that yet, you definitely want to go ahead and check that out. And just like we're all trying to do the best that we can during the podcast. Perry's son came in creating like a. I don't know, it was like a cardboard tank or something like that. Who knows? We'll probably have a guest visit us during this podcast today because our topic today is how to work from home with kids and save your sanity. And our guest today is the awesome, amazing, ever fun and silly Katie Reed. Hey, Katie.
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Hey. Good to see you guys.
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Good to have you here.
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And you guys were chatting a lot before we hit record, which would probably been really great stuff just to like share. And the reality is, even though we're talking about this topic and Kate and Katie have kids at home. I only have four babies. Is that, you know what, they're doing the best that they can but they have some really great tips and we're going to be diving into that today. And if you, you know, you are new to private practice, you know, some of you guys are really looking at this time during the COVID crisis to actually really create your business. So we want to help you with that. I mean we're close to almost 200 podcasts at this time. And I'm talking about we're in March, we're recording in March 2020. So you can check out our quick reference podcast guide or grab our A to Z cheat sheet. The essentials for building and growing your dream practice head over@private practicestartup.com or to the resources tab and there you'll see it. And that comes with five days of practice building emails and support for you guys at this time.
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So just a little bit about Katie.
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She is a return guest of ours. She was in episode 129 overcoming the scarcity mindset to up level your income and your life. And she was also nominated for one of our up close and personal podcasts. So we'll put those both in the show notes if you want to go back and check those out. But Kati, she helps therapists grow, then outgrow their practices. Katie helps clinicians overcome scarcity mindset, get clear on their most meaningful work, create highly converting websites and create additional income streams in coaching, consulting, course creation and more. Her flagship course, Clinician to Coach gives therapists a complete website and marketing funnel to launch their coaching, consulting or course business to massive success. And we might not just be at that place right now in our lives and that's okay. And eventually we'll get back there, right? And either way, we are being flexible as practice consultants to serve you guys. So without further ado, let's dive into today's topic and I think ladies, where we should really start is just kind of getting a read from the both of you about like where's life been with having kids at home?
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Yeah, let's do it. You should go first, Kate. You have the baby at home. Tell everybody what that's been like. Seriously. It's an intense time. In the best of times it is.
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That's exactly right. I mean having a newborn, being a business owner of multiple businesses and then having a four year old who's going on five as of next week, his birthday will be next week in the Midst of this whole Covid crisis, which is not fun timing for him because we can't get together with friends or anything like that. So I'm gonna have to get really creative on how to. How to maybe have a virtual party for him or something like that. It's been tough though, because when you have a baby, it's nice to know that you can rely on these other certainties in your life. You have the support from friends and family who can come over and help, whether you have a nanny or whether you just have family members who are helping right now with the social isolation. Everybody's having to stay apart, so it's not like you can have people come over and help. Thank God for my husband. He's a huge support and we're very much a team when it comes to, like, all facets of our life and relationships and roles and that sort of a thing. So he really helps out a lot with the baby and with my other son as well. But the sleepless nights, you guys, it's so rough. That is like. It has a huge effect on my mental health. And with so many unknowns right now and so, so much change happening all at the same time. And my five year old, well, I'm just. I'll just say five because he's turning five next week. Him being home from school, it's been so much change to adjust to all at the same time. And that's created a lot of anxiety for me. It's created a lot of overwhelm. I feel like last week was a complete circus at our house. The first few days, having Landon home from school, I didn't have a plan. We didn't have. We hadn't really created our new norm yet with stepping back and really creating a routine and structure and having a plan. And it took us a few days to kind of like get through that. Really being in the trenches where things were just super overwhelming. We've since created a plan and structure, and now we have certain times where he's working on schoolwork and continuing to learn and kind of scheduling that around the baby's nap times and trying to work while the baby is sleeping to have a nap time empire. You know, I'm sure you guys have heard of that before, but with all of the additional stress and being a group practice owner, having to calm the anxieties of my team at the group practice, there's just. I'm being pulled in 5 million directions. And then of course, wanting to be here for Startup Nation. And I know last week I Had to take a really big step back just from being president in the forefront. I know we talked about that on our Level up videos yesterday, where Katie has been more of like the face of Startup Nation for the past week because I've been just spinning in this place of overwhelm, exhaustion, sleep deprivation. It's been rough. The struggle is real, for sure. Katie, what about for you?
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For one thing, I just want to say I feel you and I hear you and I remember those days so, so, so clearly. And my kids were a similar age split to yours, so I remember having a baby and also having, in my case, a three year old who needed constant attention all day, you know, and who couldn't just be left alone to his own devices and how hard that is. So I remember that so clearly. My kids right now, one just turned six and one same as you, birthday during the crisis, just turned nine a couple days ago. And it's been interesting. So my kids actually get a long spring break here in Arizona. So up until yesterday, they were on this two and a half week spring break. That's the way the schedule goes. And so I had not been stressing myself out too much about creating structure for them because I was like, you know what? Officially, it's still their spring break. So official, they're gonna hang out, they're gonna do their thing. And I have been finding the little moments of joy in it. Like, oh, look, they're figuring out new things they can pretend together and they're finding new games they can play together and they're hauling out the duplos that they haven't hauled out in a long time. And they were getting creative because mom and dad are both very much working full time. And it's been, you know, we both have our different schedules. We're trying to punt a little bit, like, hey, if you have an important meeting, I'll try not to schedule an important meeting during their time because that one of us is going to get asked for snacks or for something or other and get interrupted during that time. But now we're hitting the point where that two weeks of little structure, but also not getting to be out in the world and seeing friends and going to play dates and going to all the play zones we typically visit during a break, it's hitting home. And I mean, case in point, my little one who just turned nine had like the meltdown, tantrum, whatever you want to call it, of the universe yesterday because we won't let him have Fortnite, you know, And I was like, that's one of those canary in the coal mine. When I'm like, I am seeing this insane emotional reaction to something that has been the rule forever. Like nothing has changed about that rule. No, we can't have Fortnite, you know, you're too young, blah, blah, blah. And I'm seeing this insane emotional reaction and it clearly is that wake up call of okay, it's time for structure. And so I am going back to all last summer. My business was actually really very active and I had my kids home. Now I didn't have my husband home working at the same time. And that sort of adds a different level. He's stressed. He does communications at his work and everything right now is like emergency communication, emergency communication. So he's kind of storming around with his own stress, going on lots of emergency meetings at odd times of day. So we've got that extra layer. But what I am doing now and what I did last summer that I think helped was there's a couple different things. Like I have so many things I want to say to you guys. Let me start here. This is kind of a framework for you. I am a special needs mom. I think all the moms right now should take a tip from the special needs moms. And what I mean by that is embrace imperfection. Embrace imperfection right now. Just know that nothing is going to go exactly the way you planned. Nothing is going to look like the curated images on Instagram and Pinterest. And I guarantee you that all the people putting out the videos where they're playing with their kids for hours and the whole family is great and having fun, I'm sure that's true in that moment of the video. And I'm sure they hit click off on that video. They collapse into exhaustion just like the rest of us right now. They collapse into stress just like the rest of us right now. And so I feel like having gone through the process of being a special needs parent, there are actually certain interesting advantages when it comes to times of mass uncertainty. Like so, for example, when your kids are diagnosed with any kind of special need or when something it might be that something else hits your family, maybe it's a chronic illness that you have, maybe it's some sort of a disability hits your family. I think all of those things carry a similar energy to them where suddenly your plans, your dreams, the things you hope for the future, you're forced to really re evaluate those. And in a way you're forced to say, I accept right now. And that might be a process, not like it's instant. But I accept right now that things are not going to look exactly the way I imagined and that I have to create a new version of normal right now. And the people who I see struggling, the most, especially of the various parents that I either know online or know through my kids or whatnot, are the ones where they're saying things like, but Billy is going to be a Major League baseball player. And what's going to happen now because the rest of the practices were canceled, and how will he make the Major League League Baseball team? Or Sally is going to get into Harvard, so she has to get all of the AP assignments in her AP class. And don't they understand the importance of this? And I look at that and I'm like, oh, wow, okay. Like, that level of stress is the level that we need to let go of a little bit right now and just embrace the imperfection of right now. And I feel like once you do that, once you embrace that imperfection a little bit, once you say, I don't really know what's going to happen, but at least we're all in the same boat here together in the whole world right now, it honestly can give you that little breath of fresh air. Like, once you realize, hey, I can create a structure. And if we don't perfectly follow it today, no one's going to die. Like, no one's going to die if we don't perfectly follow this structure. And at the same time, again, coming back to special needs parenting. And I think really all parents and all teachers know this one. Creating some sort of a structure helps and matters. And you're going to get pushback in the beginning. You're going to get pushback on being teacher mom or teacher dad. You're gonna get pushback on the kitchen table being the homeschool table for part of the day. You're going to have fights. You're going to have the bickering and the arguments. And that what I get a lot is that's not how my teacher does it, you know? And so I'm like, okay, fine. How does your teacher do it? Teach Mommy how your teacher teaches you this. Because I need to know, you know, what's gonna work for you. And so you're gonna get pushback on it, but creating the structure that works for you. And when I was about to say, when I go back to the way I handled it last summer when I was really, really busy with work, but I could not just sit at my desk all day, no matter how much I wanted to And I wanted to be there. What I started doing and what we're going to do again in this time. And Kate, I don't recommend this for you. This is for people with older kids. Honestly, I think waking up earlier and getting some work done before everybody is up can be tremendously helpful for your san, for your peace of mind. So whatever it is that's on your plate that you're like, I absolutely have to get that done today. Can you right now go to bed a little bit earlier? There's nothing to do at night anyway, let's be honest. Like, none of us are going out with our friends in the evenings right now. So can you go to bed a little earlier, get up a little earlier, get stuff done in the early morning hours? The way I have always planned my day around the schedule right now is I've sort of taught my kids, you know what, you have free time up until usually 11 or 12. So obviously, like, I was. I needed to get them dressed and get them breakfast and do all the basic morning stuff. But in general, last summer especially, and they're gonna. We're gonna go on the same routine now, they kind of learned it's mommy's working time in the morning. And so I would put out, like, here are the snacks you can have and that you can get for yourself. Here are activities that you guys can do and that you can handle yourself. I. You. I'm letting go of any sort of crazy screen time limits right now. I'm obviously, you know, there's some time every single day right now. We can still go outside, at least by us. And so we're doing outside time every day. We're taking walks, we're doing like, let's all get our vitamin D. You know, let's all get some sanity that way. But what I would do with them is, I would say, okay, the morning is my working time. And for some of you with younger kids, you're not going to have such big blocks of time where they can play together in a good way without you overseeing. So then my question is, can you take out an activity, set it down next to your desk, Is it too distracting? Or can you do that, like, if you're catching up on notes or something like that? Now, I know for a lot of the folks out there that are therapists, they have a different challenge where they're more worried about how do I get privacy. So I'm assuming that most therapists right now who have switched to telehealth and they're working online, that you have found some sort of a solution that works for you for privacy. I was telling Kate and Kati, I'm sitting on a weight bench right now in the corner of a room because it was the only room where I could close a door and sit down and talk to you guys. So you might have a weird setup like this one that you're trying to adjust to, trying to get used to. So a couple things that might help right now. For one, if you have always been that person that puts your notes off to the last minute, I wonder if this would be a time to build a little bit of sanity, a little more relief in the back of your mind, and become the person who takes five minutes right after the session to just do that note. Chances are you're on your computer already, right? You're not sitting in an office. You're sitting right there on your computer. Can you just whip out that note and get it done? It will be one less thing hanging over your head right now as you're doing it. And it's such a great practice to get in for the long haul. Not one that I am good at maintaining, I will fully admit. But it is by far the best practice to get in over the long haul. If you can just get those notes done now. And when you are with your clients, that allows you to be fully with your clients. And then when that time boundary happens and you say now, it's whatever time of the day and I am back with my family, it allows you to be more fully back with your family because you're not thinking, I should be doing notes. I have these other things I should catch up on. You have just done your work time in the morning, gotten it done, done as much as you possibly can, and then you're creat that family structure in the afternoon where you can be totally present for them. And I don't know about you guys. I find if I give my kids even one hour where I am just 100% present and focused with them, that kind of buys me another hour where they're willing to go do something with each other or where they can go watch a show or something and not need to call me 100 times because we've gotten. They've gotten my full, focused attention for this brief period of time. I'm curious if you feel the same about that.
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Yeah, I'm glad you're talking about expectations and being more flexible with ourselves being perfectly imperfect. Right. Not having those high expectations. And that's something that's been really helpful for me and I want to invite you guys to think about even looking for opportunities to be really flexible with your clients. Because your clients, if they have young kids, if you don't have young kids yourself, or if you don't have kids yourself but your clients do, or if you have kids, depending on what age they are, if they're young, it's going to be especially challenging to find that private place. And then if your clients have young kids too, maybe looking at cutting the sessions into more mini sessions. I know that we've talked about that in Level up videos this week and last week in our Facebook group. And whether it's a 15 minute session with your clients and you're just charging a quarter of your hourly rate or it's a half a session, whatever you need to do to get more flexible and to get to create those opportunities to be able to continue having that income come in, being there for your clients in a way that really works for your new norm and your new schedule.
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Go ahead, Kati. What were we going to say?
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Oh, I was just going to say this is exactly. I've done a couple of videos this week as well, trying to support the therapreneur community. And I did one with Ernesto Segismundo the other day. We were saying the exact same thing. How can you be flexible right now? How can you possibly cut sessions down into manageable chunks? How can you flex with your schedule or maybe with your boundaries? Maybe there are clients right now where they really need morning email check in. They need to be allowed to just check in with you in the morning. One thing I've talked a lot about is a little off topic of working at home, but it is on topic of working during COVID I did a video yesterday where the big advice I gave is how can you become indispensable to your clients lives right now? And if you step back and if you look at what people need right now, this is not going to be the time that you're doing the depth work of healing the inner child. This is going to be the time that you are helping people create structure that helps their day feel less anxious. That you are teaching, that you are actively teaching people mind management techniques. Whatever your frame of therapeutic reference is, how do you, within your frame, teach people to manage anxiety? Teach people to go through grief, because that's what a lot of us are going through. And I think if you frame it as grief, it opens up new tools for you. So to me, an indispensable therapist right now would be somebody that when I hang up from that session, whether it's 15 minutes or 50, I feel genuinely noticeably better than when I went in. They have lifted a weight from my shoulders. And as we all know as mental health professionals, so often what is needed to lift that weight is just structure. It's just helping people say, hey, instead of staying in your pajamas all day, you're actually going to feel better if you still do your 7am workout and you still get dressed as if you're going to the office and you still maintain some semblance of normalcy in your day. But I think people need to be invited into that structure because it's so easy to slip into. I think of it like the newborn days, Kate. It's so easy when, for example, if you're on maternity leave and you really are just home in your pajamas all day and you've got this newborn and you're trying to manage the sleep and everything else, it's very easy to slip into that sort of low grade depression because you're not keeping your same structure, you're not keeping your same expectations of yourself. So to me, becoming indispensable to a client right now is giving them what they need in this moment to truly maintain their feelings of usefulness in the world, their feelings of hope, their own structure that they need just to be able to manage anxiety. This is not the time in my mind for a smile and nod therapy. This is the time that some of us are going to be pushed into becoming more active and more directive than we're accustomed to being as therapists.
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Katie, I love everything that you're saying and you know, if you thoughts come to my mind is one, one thing that I keep saying and I've always said is I'm always grateful for my clients because my life and my worries and anxiety just kind of get handled up at the door. And I'm fully present and even doing this podcast, right. Like being of purpose, of value is everything that is just what we are as humans, right. And one of the things that I've been sharing with therapists is now is a perfect time. I mean, the reality is, is that there's going to be a lot of clients that have already canceled. I know half my caseload like just canceled. They're in financial worries crisis and I get it. But you can still be of value. You can hop on a Facebook live and just speak to them about current issues or whatever and then you can email that link to them and say, hey, I was thinking about you. Listen, I know that we ended our sessions at this point, but listen, this is some tips and topics that I wanted to share with you. Of course, I always have my business and marketing hat on. Is then you can repurpose that content and either put it on your website or make it a vlog so it's there and you can share like, what a beautiful way to give back. And another thing that's really important I think is checking in on your past clients, right? Like, yeah, they might have discharged and they're good. But the reality is, is we're all in a crisis. It's very stressful. And when you're coming with that from that place of generosity. Hey, I was just thinking about you. I'm wondering how you guys are doing. Is there any way I can be of service of you? It might be, yes, it might be. No, that's okay. And if you are creating some type of content, be like, but here we created a COVID 19 crisis webpage of a whole Bunch of resources for therapists. Here's a resource, if you guys are looking. Here's my topics. We just want to be of service. And that goes a long way. People just feel like, thank you. So I love that you share that. And for those of you who are comfortable hopping on video or writing a blog, it could be a quick thing after you finish your note, a five minute or seven minute thing that you just go ahead and create, you know, while it's fresh in your mind. And I know that for me, that, you know, Kate and I have been talking about this and even with our good friend Allison, per year is like the franticness to want to serve and help, right? And then the balancing of that, of being human, right? So there's many ways that you can do that in this time. So I love that you share that.
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You know what I love about that? I think this is actually an interesting moment for so many of us. And as therapists who were trained to be more of a blank slate, right? To really be like, I don't bring myself into the room. Like, we're not talking about me here. I am just here for you. And certainly that was very much my training. And then what happened to me was I was trained in this much more analytic, blank slate type of orientation. And then my first job was on the streets of Oakland and doing social work and doing community mental health. And I very quickly realized that all these things I had learned about being a blank slate were not going to work with these teenagers who I was working with, who would look right at you and ask you the most direct questions in the world because they wanted to know, is there any way this woman is going to understand me, is going to understand my life in the gang or my life being homeless, or my life on the streets, or all the different things they were going through? And I think this is. So I went through. I feel like I went through that learning curve early of figuring out where are the levels where I'm comfortable sharing my experience, my life with a client, and when is it therapeutically appropriate. And I think right now, so many therapists are being called on to make that choice very quickly in the moment because our lives are all traveling parallel paths right now. No matter who you are, no matter where you are, we are all on a parallel path. And to me, now, where I will say this, where it's clinically appropriate, but let's assume the majority of people who have a private practice, your clients have some level of executive functioning, right? They probably have a job. They have the ability to get to and from a session with you every week. They have some level of holding the reality of you as a person having your own experience even while they're going through theirs. And so I know I've seen parents going, oh my God, this is horrible. I'm having to like, sit on my bed to see clients. And this is crazy. Well, I think there are some clients where that is perfectly okay that if they say to you, how are you doing in all of this? You don't have to be like, well, we're here to talk about you, Sally. You know, that you can be like, you know what? We're going through the same thing. I'm feeling the same anxieties. I'm using these same tools that I'm trying to teach you right now. And it's a really day by day process for everybody. So I'm right there with you in trying to use all these anxiety management tools on the fly, in the hot zone. We're in it together. And I think that there is something so human and so beautiful about that connection and that that can make the therapeutic relationship so much more real when we are just able to be ourselves in there. When we are just able to say, I am in there with you. And of course, it's not clinically appropriate for all clients. And absolutely, you need to use your judgment about that. And certainly, of course, not making the session about you, but just letting your client know the reality of like, oh, you just heard my kid run by outside the room. Yeah, that's the reality right now. So I understand that you need to do the session with your kiddo playing blocks on the floor next to you. You. I get it.
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Right?
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Yeah. Love it, Love it.
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Katie, did you have any more tips for our audience that you wanted to share before we wrap up today?
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Sure.
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So basically, again, as therapists, it sounds like we have all been singing the same messaging. I mean, I completely believe right now, flexibility, changing up your boundaries a little bit, becoming indispensable by offering that flexibility, offering a shorter session. You could offer three 15 minute sessions a week to somebody who just has a few minutes to check in, as opposed to your 1:45 minute session that you usually do. You could offer them flexible times to be able to do that. They might not know that the baby will be napping Wednesday at 2, but maybe you're willing to let them text you Wednesday at 2 when the baby falls asleep. And if you can, you will jump on with them right then. So being flexible in that way, I have been saying the same thing you guys have to my therapist who I serve, which is get out there and share resources. It's not that you need to be brilliant, it's not that you need to come up with, with this amazing idea for a blog that nobody's had yet. All it is is take the resources that you've seen going around that you think are good, send them out to your clients, put them on your social media. I truly believe any way that you choose to serve right now will be looked so kindly upon, will be remembered so kindly later. So that when in six months people are feeling more stability in their life again, and let's be honest, the grief of this situation starts to hit people, they will be looking for therapists. And if you have become that indispensable leader, that person that they look to as a clearinghouse of good information during this time, guess who they're immediately going to go back to for real live one on one in person therapy afterwards. And I think that is one of the greatest things you can do. I don't care if you got your license yesterday, if you have that little bit of a leadership instinct inside of you where you know that you want to reach out and you want to serve and you want to help, step up and do it. Now I have some younger Gen Z clients who I have seen jump online and create like beautiful graphics saying here's a bunch of self care you can do while you're in isolation, while you're in quarantine. I am so impressed by the leadership some of the younger clinicians are showing by just stepping up and saying I can get resources out to people. That's what I can do right now, to serve. So do that. In terms of kiddos at home, imperfection is the name of the game. Here's honestly the thing that has carried me through from the beginning. And if this message helps somebody else, then I love it. The way that I keep reframing this for myself is I will never again in my lifetime have this much one on one time with my kids. That's a reality. Or with my husband. We will never again have this much time together as a family. Now I know some people hear that and they groan and they're like, oh my God, please. You know. But the reality is when this crisis ends, we're all going to go back to school, back to work, back to our normal routines where, and you know how it is, especially with kids, the routine is they go to school, they come home, you have the arguments over homework, you have the arguments over Bath time and bedtime, you know, it's like the typical stressors of the typical day. Well, right now, if I can really look at this as a gift and say, I want them someday, they're not going to remember the stress and the strain that we're under as parents. They're going to remember that mom played in the backyard with them every day. They're going to remember that mom and dad did board games with them at night. Like, I want them to remember these happy times and carry that forward as much as possible. So if you can keep reframing that this is a gift, if you look at it that way, that you will never have this much time with your family again and look at it as that bizarre wrapped in a very strange package little gift that it is, then you will go far with it and obviously create the structure that works for your family. I know for mine, they're young. I was like, I couldn't care less about spelling words and division problems. Right now I care about can they read something they really enjoy? If they want to create a piece of artwork, can I just get them materials, even if it's just crayons or finger paints, and let them be creative right now. To me, that letting their creativity blossom a little bit when they're in this less regimented time, that in itself is a gift. So what can you do in your crazy, messy, imperfect life to have kindness for yourself, to accept imperfection, to accept that some weird way this is all going to work out at the end of the day, I heard a great reframe of. Think how you want things to be two years from now. What do you want to look back two years from now and say happened or you did or you took action on during this time? And to me, if I have a bunch of pictures that my kids drew two years from now that I can look back and say that's what they drew during the crisis, or I'm trying to start actually keeping a little daily journal of just a line or two of what happened today. For a historical record. Anything like that that you can do truly is a gift to yourself later down the line. And just be nice to yourself. You so deserve it. You're working so hard. You are supporting a lot of grief. You are supporting a lot of anxiety. You're having to compartmentalize that and still show up for your families. The therapists out here are absolute heroes right now. I am grateful for all of you and your work. And just know everybody's grateful, even if they can't express it until later.
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C
Thank you so much, Katie. Like as you're talking, I almost wanted to shout like, amen, sister, Amen. Yes, I was feeling that. So we so appreciate you and like, like always, you just show up and you serve and you lead and you know, you're just here for us and you're here for the community and you're always passionate and energetic and we so appreciate that. So Startup Nation, we're planning next time to have Julia on. I don't know how to say her last name, so I don't want to butcher it, but Julia's going to talk to us about creating creative ways to self care and that is really essential during this time. So we look forward to her podcast. Who knows, maybe another topic will come.
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B
Up and we'll throw that in there.
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C
And we're being flexible on the move and I know you guys are being flexible with us, so we so appreciate you guys for doing that.
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B
Perfect. I'm excited.
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C
Thank you. And so, you know, if you're hearing this podcast and maybe, I don't know, maybe you're a therapist who does work with parents, share this podcast.
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D
It's really helpful.
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C
I just had the idea of like, oh my God, there's so much goodness in this. I'm going to share this on my Facebook page, on my personal page. You know, I have a lot of friends who are parents and totally hear this advice. So please share that with some friends folks. And Kate, did you want to share anything else before we close up?
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D
No, I just loved how Katie brought everything together in the end. And because I'm podcasting from home, my dog was just barking like crazy so I had myself on mute. But yeah, I love how you brought everything together and it's just about keeping things in perspective, being gentle with yourself, being gentle with everybody around you. We're all in this together. We're all navigating this together. And hang in there, guys. For those of you who are listening to our podcast, you're enjoying it, definitely share. We encourage you to subscribe, rate and review our show. That's something that always helps us to continue to get the message out and help an even broader amount of therapists across the globe to really grow their practices and live their dream lifestyle. So we will look forward to seeing you guys on the next round of.
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C
Podcast for allowing us to inspire you from startup to mastery. Wherever you are in your journey, have an opportunity. Awesome and inspired everybody. Take care.
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B
Bye.
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D
Thanks for joining us on the private practice Startup. Visit the private practices startup.com for awesome resources, free trainings, attorney approved private practice paperwork, and so much more, Sam.