
Jo Eckler
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Welcome to the Private Practice Startup Podcast where we help ambitious private practitioners across the globe to brand themselves and grow their dream practices. We chat with successful private practitioners, business coaches and marketing experts, bringing you tons of practice building Ninja tips. Visit privatepracticestartup.com for awesome resources, attorney approved private practice paperwork, and our signature marketing E course. Here are your co hosts, Dr. Kate Campbell and Katie Lemieux. Hey everybody. Welcome back to welcome back to another episode of the Private Practice Startup Podcast. I'm really excited that you guys are here joining us. We're going to be talking today with Dr. Joe Eckler and we're going to be talking about a topic. I know that sometimes we have stepped away from talking about the business talk that will always be in there, but we're going to be talking about a topic about kind of when life happens. You know when life happens and you're growing a business. So we're going to be talking about working when you're not going to get well soon. Three ideas for therapists who have chronic illnesses. But before I introduce Dr. Jo to you guys, we hope that you guys joined us last week as we invited Laura Long back on our podcast. We think that she is now the official guest that we've had on the most. I think we've had her on five times. But this was a discussion between myself, Laura and Kate and we talked about the good, the bad and the ugly of launching. So whether you're launching products or services, we actually give you an inside view of what it's like to go through that. Unfortunately, Allison Per Year was supposed to join us, but she got ill but with a stomach flu on recording day. So the show must go on and we went ahead and recorded without her. But I know that there's going to be a lot of great content for you guys there. And if you're brand new to us, we wanted to say thank you so much for choosing us and our podcast to listen to. We hope that you become part of our family. I mean, you're already part of our family by joining us. And we have a gift for you that is our A to Z cheat sheet. The essentials for building and growing your dream practice. Head on over to Private PracticeStartup.com, head over to the Resources tab and there you will see it. It also comes with five days of practice building emails to really support you on your private practice journey. Let me just share a little bit about Dr. Jo with you guys. Dr. Jo has been a psychologist for 14 years and living with a Chronic illness. Since she was 15. She's worked in community mental health, university counseling centers, multiple veterans hospitals, nursing homes, and now in private practice, she's been a recovering overachiever. Also an author and editor, a registered yoga teacher, and trained as a death and mourning doula. She has been known to dress as a unicorn repeatedly and has been kissed by a giant Amazonian river otter. Those are some fun facts. Jo, Please join me in welcoming. Jo, how are you?
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I'm good. How are you?
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I'm good, I'm good. And actually, just before we hit record, I did reveal that my Halloween costume this year was a unicorn. I'm starting to fall in love with unicorns a little bit.
B
They're pretty awesome.
A
I know.
B
What's not to love?
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Yeah. So where do you wear this unicorn costume repeatedly?
B
It depends, actually. Not often on Halloween, believe it or not. But yeah. So in Austin, we have a lot of queer events and, like, pride events and things like that. And it's always appropriate to be a unicorn at those moments.
A
Well, and Austin's tagline is keep. Keep Austin weird. Is that what it is?
B
It is, yeah. It's actually the chamber of commerce, like, did that to try to encourage small businesses. Very cool. Continuing to support small businesses.
A
Yeah. That's interesting. I like it. So kind of keep it, like, unique and interesting. Yeah. You guys even have T shirts and stuff like that.
B
Yeah. Portland has the same thing. So they also say, keep Portland weird.
A
I love it.
B
I don't know who did it first.
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So I'm really looking forward to your topic because we haven't had one like this. And we really wanted to highlight this because I think it's important, not something that we talk about often. I think, especially as therapists, we really have to put on a professional face, and whatever we're dealing with when we're in session needs to go into the background for a little bit. Right. And we need to be there fully for our clients. But the reality is, life is happening for us as well, whether we're a couples counseling, going through a divorce, whether we are having a chronic illness or someone we love is hurting, or we're mourning our own loss. Like, it's tough to begin to navigate all of this stuff. But I'm curious to just start with what led you to the field.
B
Oh, I remember you talked with Allison a while back about kind of her story and being the person that everyone went to with their problems that were disproportionate for her age. And I so related everything she was talking about in middle School. I was leaving the dinner table to talk my friends down from suicide. It was not a good situation, and I shouldn't have been doing that. But. But at some point I decided I would just become trained and have some more skills and be able to do what I was already doing anyway. So. Yeah, so then it just evolved, and I ended up helping weird people who've been through bad things for a long time.
A
That's an interesting tagline. I help weird people who've been through bad things.
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And now I want to help weird people who are dealing with bad things. As far as, like, the stuff that chronic illness does to our lives and to our bodies.
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Yeah. Can you share a little bit about at 15 and you got diagnosed with a chronic illness, what happened, what was it, and how has it affected you?
B
Well, like many people with chronic illness, I actually didn't get diagnosed. I got a lot of weird symptoms. My knee swelled up like a bowling ball. I got told I had arthritis and I was 15.
A
Wow.
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And they were like, just take this, like a leave for the rest of your life. I'm like, okay, that's great. But later we found out it was an autoimmune arthritis that just wasn't commonly known back then and then. But that diagnosis didn't come. Trying to do math till, like, 20 years later. It's not uncommon for people to have to chase a diagnosis for years. And many doctors and specialists and tests. And it starts to get disappointing when a test comes back negative, like, so I still don't know what I have.
A
Yeah, yeah.
B
So that's part of the answer. Yeah, it's part of the exhaustion and the frustration that people go through.
A
So you are managing life, obviously, with this undiagnosed illness. Right. For quite a while, you've been in the mental health field. And I guess, you know, let's talk about being in the mental health field, having a chronic illness, but then also being in business, because there's. When you're in business, it's party of you. Right. And, like, you have to make it work and manage all this at the same time.
B
Yeah. So what happened was I started collecting illnesses, kind of like CEUs or other certifications along the way. So now I've ended up with five autoimmune diseases, three neurological ones, and, like, one, maybe two gastrointestinal things. So that's fun. And it got to the point where business was what saved me. I. Working in the structure of a very structured government agency, you know, there's only so much flexibility you can get. And I asked for flex. I got as much as I could, like, as much as they could give me, and it still wasn't enough. And so I realized I wasn't even making my salary because I had so much leave without pay. And I said, well, I guess it's time to go and do whatever I can do and build something that I can operate in. And I actually can work more working for myself than I could in a tight structure where I didn't have that flexibility.
A
That's amazing. I got chilled when you said that. And it's not something that you really think about, but the opportunity and the offer and it's. You know, I find that a lot of times in life. Right. It's kind of like we're. I don't know, I feel like it's kind of like coming through the wormhole. Like, we're, like, really pushed and pushed and we pop out on the other side. It feels like there's a lot of pressure and it's hard and we're not really sure, but then you know that there's good things to come. And so did you feel positive about it when you made that decision, or were you afraid? What? Share a little more on that.
B
I was. I was in that excited, terrified place. But it was one of those where I was like, well, I just. This is what I have to do. And I would walk into the building at work on the days that I could be there at my old job, and, like, my stomach would just sink. And I'm like, I'm just done, so. And I loved what I was doing, but it was all trauma work all the time. Yeah. And so I. I needed to find some more creative ways to work. And I'm not saying that business is easy. I mean, you know that, like, there's nothing easy about this stuff. But for me, it saves so many spoons. Like, just like not having. Having a little more flexibility with my schedule, with when I had days off, with what tasks I do, when, with what I wear, where I sit. Maybe I go lie down if I need to. You know, things that you just can't do in a structured office situation. Especially if it's a quote unquote, professional environment where you have to dress a certain way and be a certain way.
A
As you say that I'm like, you know, I didn't, like, go to school in the 70s or even 80s.
B
Right.
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It was like the 2000s. I graduated in 04. And my internship, I don't know why, but it was at a hospice, and they made us Wear nylon stockings, dresses and closed toed shoes. Like, wow. Like, I just feel like that's so not of the times.
B
The dresses are weird. The closed toed shoes and the socks or stockings, those are health code for medical settings. Yeah. But no reason.
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But the dresses, women have to wear dresses or skirts.
B
Wow.
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What the heck?
B
There's no reason for that. Wow.
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Yeah. And I think the CEO was a woman, so I wasn't really sure why we were wearing dresses. But anyway, I digress for sure.
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But it's a good point. It's a good example of how this stuff takes energy that if you're not dealing with chronic illness, you might not even think about what it takes to put on a pair of nylons to be able to close your buckle your shoes or tie shoes.
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Well, interesting. And I guess why I bring it up was not only because of that, but I've had chronic back problems since I was 20 years old. So I don't wear dresses. And it's for the reason of. Because sitting with your legs crossed, because sometimes you have to, if you're wearing a dress, it's very uncomfortable. So many times, you know, if someone actually looked under the table of a restaurant, I'm sitting Indian style because that's the most comfortable for me. Right. And so being able to feel comfortable and free in your own business. Right. And I think also there's this part of the evolution and maybe I don't know if this happened for you, but coming into your own private practice, you're still like, you don't know what you're doing. I was probably still a little wet behind the ears trying to act professional. And you know, over time I've really grown into myself, my brand, my business. And it's, you know, it's no big whoop of like, you know, crossing your legs on the therapy chair anymore. Right. Or getting really comfy or putting pillows behind your back and then encouraging our clients to do the same. You know, like you take off your shoes, I don't care. Right.
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Yeah.
A
But in settings and things like that, it's harder to be able to manage and be free. So what are some tips that you have for folks that, you know, who might be dealing with a chronic illness to really be able to embrace business and private practice and manage that all?
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Yeah. I think one of the biggest things is knowing yourself. I mean, you really got to figure out what your illnesses like and don't like, what they, what is soothing, kind of what the timing is for yourself, you know, because there may be good times of day for you, there may be good. Maybe fluorescent lights are terrible and you never want to be in a room with them again. Maybe there's certain seasons where it's not a good idea to plan a launch because you know you're gonna flare up, like in the summer or the winter, you know, and if you're going for some kind of treatment or infusion, maybe you know that the next three days, don't book anything, like. Because you're gonna be out like a light, you know? So knowing that helps you plan what you want for your business life, so you can set it up accordingly once you know more about your illness. And then the other part is knowing more about your skills, because especially when we've been trained in such a structured way, we can easily forget that there's other stuff we know how to do. And it doesn't have to be one of the three things that were head therapist in front of them, you know, so it could be that you're a great therapist, but also, like me, I like to write and I like to edit. And so I've been able to incorporate a lot of that into my business life. And then maybe somebody else is really good at making cakes or essential oils or all kinds of things. And then you can decide if you want to diversify your business. Because if you diversify, I'm going on fucking going once for a while. But the more income streams you have, as long as you can manage them mentally and income streams that have different requirements, the more likely it is you'll be able to keep going, even if you have a big flare. So for me, I have three days a week of clients, and then I have two and a half days sometimes of editing and writing kinds of things or content creation things that I can do at my own pace. Or if I have a doctor's appointment, I can put them off and do more on another day or this. So I can switch things around. There's things I can do if I can't talk that day or I need to lie down, or if I can't focus on editing, then I know I'm going to see clients and I can focus on them. Because it's a little bit easier for me when I'm foggy to focus on a person. So that way I can still have income kind of no matter what. What almost no matter what's going on. And then I have my book that, you know, it kind of does its own thing and kind of runs on its own. And then, you know, I'm setting up Some other things too.
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Nice. Nice. I just wanted to take a quick moment so we can have a break for our sponsor.
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Yeah.
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B
Yeah. And that being present with clients, sometimes that even helps me if I'm having a bad pain day or a bad symptom day, like, and it's a client day, sometimes I'll. I can still go because it sort of takes me out of myself for that amount of time.
A
Yeah, that's a beautiful thing. But I really love how you talk about, you know, it's interesting because Kate and I, you know, we coach therapists on marketing, and it always begins with self. Right. And so you're talking, especially if, you know, you do have a chronic illness, it needs to begin with self and really creating that dream lifestyle that you want to live as you go into business. Right. We talk about it in regards to your schedule, but, you know, you. I love how you also said, like, you can actually work more and better because you're able to manage your own schedule, knowing yourself and what works for you. Beautiful.
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Yeah, thank you. And, you know, the systems you mentioned before, they help, too, because once you. I mean, I added things bit by bit, so it was easier to build a system at a time. You know, I transitioned into, like, nurse, some contract nursing home work before I fully did private practice, so I could build the private practice stuff and have that ready to go while I was doing the nursing home stuff. So, yeah, adding things bit by bit. But, like, you even have a wonderful system for getting on your podcast. You sent, like, the invitation and the waiver. Like, all these things just seemed like, you know, you had it ready to go and automated. And so I love those things. I love online scheduling because phone calls really drain me. I love that I can have spruce on my phone and if I'm stuck in it, like, one time I was stuck in the er, but I wasn't emergent. I wasn't, like, horribly injured. I was just like, I had to go for something and I was able to reschedule my clients sitting there in the ER without missing a beat. It was really technology. So helpful. Online therapy is awesome. All of these things.
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Yeah. Yeah. I would say technology is helpful when it's working.
B
When it's working. Yes.
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When it's not, it's very stressful. For sure.
B
Yeah, totally.
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I have, I have one client. I don't, it's like happened three times and it's funny because sometimes we'll either schedule at 11 or 1 and I don't know if like she's scheduled me when she's in a different time zone. But it like, and I'm like, it's gotta be a setting on your phone, like gotta look at that. And it's just kind of funny when you think about those things.
B
Yeah, yeah.
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But yes, when it's, there's always glitches. Yeah, it does work.
B
Wonderful.
A
Talk a little bit. I know that you kind of share about finding trusted allies in regards to, you know, managing life with chronic illness and being a business owner. Talk a little bit more about that.
B
Yeah, it can help to find other people who get it, whether they're friends or family or even people who work in other fields. But like somebody that you can go to and just be like, oh, this is a rough day and they're not going to tell you to eat kale and they're not going to tell you to do yoga. They're not going to say get well soon like they're just going to get it. And so that really helps. And also people you can trust as you get bigger, people you can lean on to help you as far as assistance go so you don't have to do everything by yourself.
A
Was there kind of a. I don't know what I would describe it as, but like I know being a business owner, like I always talk about initially becoming slave to the business because I had no idea about dream lifestyle and creating my schedule and things like that. And then you feel bad and if you're going to take time off or are you worried about the money and so did you have to kind of go through your own self growth process of like managing how you feel and what you need to do for you as opposed to the scarcity stuff. Like take us a little bit through that journey.
B
Oh, it was awful at first.
A
Thanks for being real about that because it's so true.
B
I still have moments where I start scrambling and then my partner, he'll look at me and he'll be like, what's going on? He's like, are you in that? Are you like freaking out again? I'm like, yes, I'm freaking out again. So. But really looking at, in the scarcity place, it's so easy to say I'll do anything because it'll bring in some money. But looking at the cost benefit ratio, I think is super important for anybody. But also if your energy and time is limited, and it's limited even more by chronic illness, you really got to look at what are you actually getting out of it and what's going to be the cost? Because, yeah, you could work 12 hours today, but what's that going to do to your next two days when you've got those full fee clients coming in? Are you going to be able to go, Are you going to be able to see them or you have some important marketing networking thing to go to? Like, do you need to save your spoons for that? Mm. Instead of working like a $20 job?
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True. Do you, like, what are your cost benefit questions you ask yourself in your head to make a decision?
B
Yeah. One is like, do I want to do this? And kind of checking in with my body because my body is pretty clear. Like, I'll get this kind of dropping feeling in my stomach and like, my shoulders will go down and my chest will cave in. I'll just be like, ugh, just thinking about doing some certain things. And I'm like, okay, is that an uh, because I just don't want to do anything or an uh, because this really isn't in line with what I want to be doing or what I need to be doing. And. And then I also look at how long is it honestly gonna take me? And that takes a while to learn about yourself.
A
Yeah, I. I still don't know because I feel like there's so much stuff in life. You're like, okay, you project it and it's that way.
B
Yeah. And then you have to add extra, Right. You take your estimate and then add a little more.
A
Yeah, I need, I need to start learning to do that. Even. So in the mornings, I kind of count back, right. Like, if I want to make sure I get all my self care stuff done, which is like journaling, meditating, reading and exercise. And exercise is the one that usually suffers in the sense of like, if. If I'm. Because I'll exercise and then I'll take the shower, right. So if I'm like, if I don't do it backwards and say, okay, I need to exercise by this time because I have to be in the shower by this time. Even this morning, like, I got a call from an attorney I was waiting for and I was like, do I pick it up or don't I? And I picked it up. So exercise suffered today.
B
Sometimes for me.
A
I could always do it Later. But that's just.
B
Yeah, it's not the same.
A
It's not the same.
B
Yeah. Those choices are tough.
A
Yeah. So how much. I mean, I know each task is different, but like, what is your buffer that you put on? Do you just say times two?
B
It kind of, it depends a little bit, but usually somewhere between maybe an extra 15 minutes an hour. Because I have two chronically ill pets actually, so sometimes a lot of things will come up, literally or otherwise. And then. Yeah, so it'll be like, oh, shoot, I gotta go give the dog her pills or I gotta go, you know, make sure the cat has her things. And so that'll take time, you know, or account for phone calls and that kind of stuff. So.
A
Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Sometimes I'm always running like, like minute. Like everything's packed in so tight that it doesn't allow for too many mess ups. And yeah, the schedules from. For sure.
B
Yeah. I got great advice when I, I did the Relax and renew restorative yoga training. Yoga teacher training with Judith Hansen Lassiter, I get her name right. And she told us, never live at the edge of your time, energy or money. I thought that was brilliant.
A
That is. It's hard at the time. I don't have energy or money, but I'm at the time.
B
Yeah, I still, I don't, I'm not master of that, but it's like an aspirational thing.
A
Yeah, I love that. Never live at the edge of your time, energy or money. Any other final points that you feel are really important that you want people to take away from your message today?
B
Yeah, I think I want people to know that there's hope. Not hope like, oh, everything's gonna get cured and your life is gonna be like it used to be. But that if you are living with chronic illness or you develop one, because so many people do that you have a lot of skills and gifts that you might not even realize. And there may be ways to repackage them or to use them that you're not even aware of yet. And so that you can still do the things that you love to do, whether you do them for money or not. But they're, they're gonna look different and that's okay. But you can, you can still have a meaningful, fulfilling life.
A
Nice.
B
And that's what I coach people for.
A
Yeah. And I love it. And I think sometimes, you know, when life happens or when we're faced with things, it brings us to that, that point in the road. Right. Where you split right or split left. And you know, I Always like to look at things as an opportunity, even though it doesn't sometimes feel that way. Right? Yeah, it often is, you know, and so, you know, one of the things that I really loved about your message today was like, if you already have a chronic illness or you do develop one, is that it is about you first and really getting clear that you can have both. And. Right. Like you can have the lifestyle that you need to live healthily, however healthy that is that you can. But you can also be a business owner and you can have both and enjoy it and even like it way better than ever working for an agency or something like that. So that's what I'm taking from your message today. So thanks so much, Joe for being here with us and sharing candidly. And I also know that you have a giveaway for our audience. What is that?
B
I do, because I'm so grateful to you and the whole Startup Nation crew. Cause y' all have helped me along this journey.
A
Aww. Thank you.
B
Yeah, so I have put together this is one part of my chronic illness companion toolkit, but I thought it would be especially useful for therapists. You can use them with clients or you can use them with yourself. It's the flare preparation checklist. So there's fillable PDFs and then there's also ones you can print out and there's worksheets that explain everything. But it help you or your client plan what they need to have ready or have for a flare, what things to look for. Just because when we're in a flarey foggy place, it's really hard to figure out what we need to do and so kind of like a safety plan, but for flares for chronic illness.
A
Got it.
B
Yeah.
A
I love it. Well, thank you so much for being with us here today and like I said, sharing everything about your journey and how you help therapists in this very unique way. So I'm glad that we were able to have this topic because we haven't. So we appreciate that and we hope that you guys join us next time for Whitney Owens. Whitney shares with us the five pitfalls between counselors and churches. So if you are looking to niche in working with faith based organizations, this is a podcast that you're definitely going to want to listen to. Of course we chat a little bit about marketing because you know, we just can't have a podcast without doing that. We didn't talk too much actually with Joe about marketing because we were really focusing on this topic. But we do hope that you guys join us next time. And Sarp Nation, you know, we always love to hear your feedback. We always love to know and even Jo shared right on this podcast about how we've been helping her. And we don't even know that sometimes. And so when you guys drop us an email or send a Google review or Facebook post, like, it just really delights us. And so we love that you guys do that and we always love to hear your feedback on how this is helping you. And we'd really love to invite you to hang out with us a little bit more. And that would be in Facebook. So look for the Private Practice Startup Facebook group. Asked to join. And right now we have over 7,000 therapists and always growing. So we jump in there and pop in there and we'd love to see what you guys are doing, the questions you're asking, and it's just a huge joy. So, Startup Nation family, we hope that you can continue to join us for our podcast. And if there's something that you're interested in, we would love to really hear what that is for you. So we can make sure that we do get that on the podcast. And as always, have an awesome and inspired day, everybody. Take care. Thanks for joining us on the Private practice startup. Visit theprivatepracticestartup.com for awesome resources, free trainings, attorney approved private practice paperwork, and so much more. Party.
Podcast: Private Practice Startup Podcast
Episode: 197 – Working When You're Not Going to Get Well Soon: Three Ideas for Therapists Who Have Chronic Illnesses
Hosts: Dr. Kate Campbell & Katie Lemieux
Guest: Dr. Jo Eckler, Psychologist, Author, and Chronic Illness Advocate
Date: June 20, 2020
Theme:
This episode focuses on the unique challenges and opportunities therapists with chronic illnesses face in private practice. Dr. Jo Eckler draws from her personal and professional experiences living with multiple chronic illnesses while building and running a practice. She shares concrete ideas and heartfelt advice for fellow therapists navigating work and wellbeing when getting “well soon” isn’t on the table.
Origin Story:
Dr. Jo became the go-to person for others' problems early in her life, leading her to pursue mental health professionally.
"Middle school, I was leaving the dinner table to talk my friends down from suicide. I shouldn't have been doing that... I decided I would just become trained and have some more skills." (04:26, Dr. Jo)
Long Diagnosis Journey:
She first noticed symptoms at fifteen, with more than a decade passing before she got a diagnosis—an experience familiar to many with chronic illness.
"It's not uncommon for people to have to chase a diagnosis for years... It starts to get disappointing when a test comes back negative, like, so I still don't know what I have." (05:29, Dr. Jo)
Why Private Practice Helps:
The rigid schedules and inflexible expectations of traditional agencies made Dr. Jo’s health struggles unmanageable. Private practice offered lifesaving flexibility.
"Business was what saved me...I actually can work more working for myself than I could in a tight structure where I didn't have that flexibility." (06:43, Dr. Jo)
Flexibility Benefits:
She emphasized small things—like the freedom to choose what to wear, when to rest, and how to structure her day—as vital for energy management with illness.
"It saves so many spoons...not having...a little more flexibility with my schedule, with when I had days off, with what tasks I do, when, with what I wear, where I sit. Maybe I go lie down if I need to." (08:11, Dr. Jo)
Know Yourself and Your Limits:
Understanding what aggravates or soothes symptoms is key. Build your schedule around your body’s rhythms and needs.
"One of the biggest things is knowing yourself. You really gotta figure out what your illnesses like and don't like...helps you plan what you want for your business life." (11:30, Dr. Jo)
Diversify Income Streams:
Leverage skills outside traditional therapy (writing, editing, creative work) to buffer unpredictability and reduce burnout.
"The more income streams you have...the more likely it is you'll be able to keep going, even if you have a big flare." (13:11, Dr. Jo) "For me, I have three days a week of clients, and then I have two and a half days sometimes of editing and writing kinds of things or content creation things that I can do at my own pace." (13:30, Dr. Jo)
Technology as a Lifeline:
Tools like online scheduling, phone apps, and telehealth make managing your practice feasible, especially on bad health days.
"I can have Spruce on my phone, and if I'm stuck in the ER...I was able to reschedule my clients sitting there...without missing a beat." (17:50, Dr. Jo)
Find Trusted Allies:
Connection with others who "get it" is crucial; not only for emotional support but also for practical help as your business grows.
"It can help to find other people who get it...somebody that you can go to and just be like, oh, this is a rough day and they're not going to tell you to eat kale..." (19:40, Dr. Jo)
Scarcity vs. Sustainability:
Early in business, overcommitting leads to burnout, especially when energy is unpredictable. Being honest about timelines and setting realistic buffers is essential.
"In the scarcity place, it's so easy to say I’ll do anything because it’ll bring in some money. But looking at the cost benefit ratio is super important for anybody." (20:56, Dr. Jo) "Do I want to do this? And kind of checking in with my body because my body is pretty clear." (22:05, Dr. Jo)
Never Live at the Edge:
Dr. Jo shares wisdom from her yoga teacher training:
"Never live at the edge of your time, energy or money. I thought that was brilliant." (24:32, Dr. Jo)
"There's hope. Not hope like, oh, everything's gonna get cured and your life is gonna be like it used to be. But...you have a lot of skills and gifts...There may be ways to repackage them or use them that you’re not even aware of yet." (25:15, Dr. Jo)
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