C (2:57)

I'm so excited to be here. Can't wait to dive in.

B (3:01)

Well, let's, let's start with just diving into you a little bit. I'd love to hear the story of where you began because the resume from the ending is very easy to judge. I mean, you know, any bigot goes and they see you now and hey, you know, you're this power woman, you're leading women. You know, some people would say you're rich, so you're evil. Some people would say you're successful, so you're somebody to follow. And like there's all these, like, it's easy to judge a story by the ending. Let's, let's catch up a little bit and share some of the beginning of how Tamar had her problems and used them to leverage her life into the prophet she became in her own space. Can you dive us into some of the early days of where you began?

C (3:44)

I love starting out early like this because it has a lot to do with our relationship with money for women for sure. Actually our relationship with, with money for men as well. I started out as a poor kid. My father was a Holocaust survivor. Mom was a pioneer in Palestine before it became Israel. And it was a very challenging childhood because it was ridden with struggle and things didn't come easy because when you come from struggle and you're a parent, a lot of times you share that struggle because you don't know how to get out of it. And this was a several years ago because I'm not a total spring chicken. And so we just learned to work hard and follow the herd. We didn't have any Internet at the time and we just worked as hard as we could. I had no idea what I wanted to do. I had no idea how to make money. And my Parents did something that they thought would be really helpful, which was to send me to Beverly Hills schools using a. An address of a friend of ours. Well, their friend. And so what I got to see was a lot of people that had a lot of resource and had a seemingly easier life than I did. And it wasn't that I wanted money per se, but I wanted to be able to enjoy the things that they were able to enjoy. I wanted to be able to go on those vacations, those ski vacations. I wanted to be able to have that opportunity to be with family and. And do all the things that we like to do, go to fancy dinners and. And have a bigger house. We lived in a very small apartment, and. And it was something that I dreamed of having a garden. And so this is where I started and my journey to start building wealth started when I was an executive in television, and my landlord was also in television, and I was handing him a check every month. And I thought, wait a second, if he's doing this, why can't I maybe do this? And it was the first time that light bulb goes out when somebody. The light bulb goes off, and you see, oh, my gosh, maybe I could do this. And so that was when I bought my first duplex and started buying real estate.

B (6:13)

How old were you at this point?

C (6:14)

I was. At that point. I was 28.

B (6:16)

Okay.

C (6:18)

So I bought my first property at 28, and I still had such a long way to go in terms of being confident around money, feeling like I could have a lot of money, and feeling like my dreams were accessible to me in this life.

B (6:39)

Okay, I. I love that. So starting out, we. We're coming from a lineage of parenting where Holocaust survivor dad. I mean, that's the first thing that sticks out to me and. And a level of stress there that any human being would naturally, rightfully have having going through, like, literally the worst living hell that historically any of us read about now in. In history books that I doubt we could understand. You know, in. In. In the book I read, it always says, sins of the father, sins of the son. I think it works with daughters, too. So, like, I can only imagine that's carrying a bunch of stress and pressure. Mom and dad show up, see, like, kind of, hey, here's an opportunity. We're going to find a way to thrust you into it and get you around kind of the who's who of your age group in the Beverly Hills schools. Like, they're literally leveraging the. Okay, we found a way to get ourselves out of hell. Maybe we don't have the resources to put you in heaven, but we know proximity is power. Let's thrust you in here. So you've seen, I mean, at a really young age, pre 20 years old, you've heard the stories, you've heard the pain, you've heard the stress of hell. And now you're witnessing the people who have never understood hell and are in a financial heaven. And I know there's the more money, more problems thing, but there's also more people, there's also more solutions. There's also better trips, there's also bigger homes. So you're getting the polarity of paradox on both sides of this. I mean, how stressful and what a gift. Like, like, how, how was that from an underwriting standpoint as a young woman, to get to experience literally through like, you know, that kind of first person experience, like, hey, you know, here's dad who was here, and here's this kid in Beverly Hills who's going to get on a private jet with dad or mom and has never experienced any pain. And they're, they're going to go up and go skiing in Canada this weekend. Like, like, like, and they're going to fly their own plan. Like, how, how is that underwriting the world from both sides of this?

C (8:48)

This is such an interesting perspective because when we're given really what I'm seeing as a gift, being able to even have exposure to seeing what's possible in my life, looking at these kids in Beverly Hills, I at the time always felt like it was a hindrance to my life. And the reason was because my parents never told me, you're as good as everyone else just because you don't have those things. You can have those things. They didn't have the language because they were in struggle. So what I learned was survival. And just now this podcast has given me such a gift because I never saw that growing up in Beverly Hills and having that exposure actually did really influence me in a positive way in regards to being able to see what's possible. And I would never have seen that if not, you know, it's.

B (9:52)

I love that you said that. So thank you for that. It's. It's. One of the things that we get on this show is, you know, I mean, obviously Jewish background, you know, Christian spiritual, maybe not Christian religious background. But, you know, one of the things that Jesus always said was with the faith of mustard seed, you could move mountains to kind of bring a comparison in. And I always wondered, what does he mean by faith? Like, what is this word faith. And you only need faith when you find this truth here that unfortunately, when intersecting with this other truth, creates a paradox like, can God create the rock so big that God cannot lift the rock? And when you find both of these truths, there's this. If you study them both on both angles, on both sides, the leap of faith is a very small leap. It's not a big step. And we find this common theme in all of these amazing entrepreneurs where they've generally been exposed to both sides of some paradox somewhere. And, oh, my God, I'm loving it. Like, oh, I get a little bit of goosebumps if the book I mentioned when I saw your last name, Hermes, like Hermes Tris Megistus, literally made into a God, like in. In Greek and Roman cultures, and was in actuality a mentor to Abraham, the father of the Jewish, Christian and Islamic faith, like the Abrahamic religions. And if you ever go read his book with his wisdoms, it's all about hermetic laws, which are all paradoxes. And, and just whether it's masculine, feminine, whether it's heat and cold, whether it's light and darkness. Like, so how. How fun. Like, I mean, thank you for saying that. How. How cool. So your. Your life story, you pre 20, get both sides of this. And then even if it's from an energy of survival, which, you know, sins of the father, sins of the sons, sons of the mother, daughter, same. Right. You've created this life where at an early age, it might be a survival energy, but it's graduated so much further now. It's graduated where problems became solutions, solutions became opportunities. And now you're the prophet that's out there sharing it. Like, you're preaching from the pulpit. You're sharing your truths, you're writing books, you have a podcast, you're out there serving everybody that. That has had this problem gone from survival to. And this is just a common theme on our show that dives through this somehow, and this is the common theme, winds up sharing it and becoming the solution to people with their same problem. And so here's this young girl, this underdog, that's now solving the problem for all the young women. When did the transition hit? Because pre 20s was obviously formative. What's between, like 20 and 40? What was some of the career journey that was taking you through this? Like, here's where I'm going. Here's my successes, here's where I'm rewarded. Here's where I'm.

C (12:59)

It's been a long journey. 20 to 40 was extremely challenging for me. I had successes. I was an executive in television, I had bought real estate. And I still had no idea about what it meant to be wealthy, what it meant to be an entrepreneur, what it meant to follow dreams, what it meant to build business. And at the same time I had children. So at that time I ran a couple companies, smaller companies on my own and I1 was in sales for, I did, I did sales for a, for products and I was very successful at that. And that enabled me to have the ability to, to also spend time with the kids, which was so important because that time we don't get back and that's the most precious time we have. And so I did that. And my husband was a film director, so he was out of town a lot. So I did that while I was building real estate. And I remember every step of the way was this big barrier to feeling like things weren't possible for me because I just had that language in my mind about its survival, it's survival, it wasn't about thriving. And it took me until in my 40s was when I began to unlock, when I began to expand and even through self development work and all the things I was doing in my 20s to 40s, I knew something needed to be unlocked. I knew there was so much more in me and that God had given me these gifts that I could place so much bigger and that I could serve at such a bigger way and live so much better. And while I was doing all this, I was accumulating wealth and I was extremely conservative. So it took me a lot longer to get to the point of the financial freedom that I have now than it would have had I not had those barriers mentally.

B (15:15)

Let's, let's dive into something you said and it, I, I love when I get like triggered in a good way. You said language and, and you're talking about like the language in your mind like some of the operating system where there, there's a scarcity, there's a fear, which you know, I mean it is very fair to have considering background and also like you're a woman in business, which you know, growing up in, in your day, you're growing up in the TV business in a very male dominated world, like, like not, not always the friendliest. And so it's reasonable to come from a standpoint of like okay, I have to have a little more security, a little more scarcity, a little more fear, if for no other reason than protection. But when you say the word language, it's such a, I love the Word trigger. It's such an interesting positive trigger for me because now we've advanced through society and we've created all these AIs and their language models. And so the operating system in our mind is no different than the operating system in an artificial intelligence outside of the amount of counterpoints it can access data from at any single point in time. Like, maybe we can do 10 or 20, maybe it can do 200,000 in the same matter of seconds. But the language model available for it to pull from is what it's going to operate from. So regardless of the success, you're going from 20 to 40 and you're beating the out of yourself as if you're a failure while you're getting wealthy.

C (16:35)

Correct. And I see this pattern repeatedly in the women that I work with, because the women that I work with are already very successful. A lot of them, like myself, are already wealthy, but they don't even know it because they're on the train of more, more, more. Is there enough? The feeling of. The feeling of scarcity, the feeling that it might go away, that feeling of. Of feeling truly secure, like, wow, I've done it. I. I actually have enough money to live the way I want to live and do what I want to do. There's always this. This feeling inside of most women until they really nurture that part of themselves that still is longing for that security and to get out of that scarcity mindset.

B (17:30)

And I don't, I don't think that's necessarily unique to women. That's women and men. We just underwrite it differently. But it's. It's one of those powerful things that, that really. It's one of the things I think we're all supposed to learn this life or human school that we're living. I love that we're on this topic, and I love that you're talking about the pattern of women, because I've uniquely, as a man, been able to watch it. I did some of Alison Armstrong's work, and I actually got to coach her team members on her business for a while, and I thought I was going to be there helping them. And it turns out they're saving my marriage with their content. But it was unique to me in that I looked at the content and I was like, why are they teaching this in marriage? Like, why the. Are we not using diffused awareness in business? I had this epiphany one day, and I'm like, huh? It's hard to get a man to compromise his ego enough to become a strong leader in the business world, whereas women have almost no difficulty with this. Their issue is prioritization of what to handle first because by nature of their diffused awareness like focus, style, if, if you've studied Allison's content, they're generally going to handle the closest thing, not the biggest thing, right? And so I started teaching women how to make these priorities. And women very quickly replaced men in middle management, then replaced men in upper management. Now my CEO's a woman and every director of operations I have is a woman. And I have no company run by men. And I wonder when they'll replace me. But it's fascinating that with, with minor, I would say ideas like added on to some of what Allison's content is, you can take what was dedicated to relationships and put it in the business side of relationships. And women can excel. And all of the things you're talking about are not like, they're not unique to like women. They're women and men. But they are so common and so, so similar in women that I love having you on the show. Like, we're just, we're just hitting like so many synchronicities. Like I, so many women are going to need to hear this. So as, as you're kind of going through your 20s, as you're going through your 30s and you're through your 40s, there was a point where you started realizing, I've made it. Like something started changing where you felt. And I don't know you well enough to say this, but I'm going to say it because it seems accurate. We all always question with imposter syndrome whether it's the right time. You seem like the type that is particularly hard on yourself and you'll question a little more often than some that might be a little more prone to narcissism and therefore may have held yourself back at times in the past. But there was some point in time where you looked around and you said, no, I've definitely made it. It's absolutely the right time. Maybe I've even waited a little too long. It's time to help some people. Like, where was that? What did that look like? What was that time for you?

C (20:41)

That's so good, so touching on what scarcity. That scarcity feeling comes. This feeling of there's never enough and it needs to be hard. So in terms of I start to realize, wow, I'm a multimillionaire here and I wasn't necessarily fulfilled completely with what I was doing because a lot of real estate is somewhat self serving. You could do It, I mean, it's not, it's a great, it's a great way to, to earn a lot of money, but it's not really, it's not at the core when you're, when you're, you know, you can be nice to your contractors and your, and your support team and your staff and everything, but it just doesn't have the same feeling as, as creating transformation with people and really solving business, a problem at the core of our souls. And that was really where I wanted to go with this. And so what, what started to happen for me was really getting into the next phase of problems to profit, which is that I started seeing I had money and I wanted to start making my money work for me and, and do it in a, in a way that, that I could start investing without doing as doing as much work or even being operational. So in other words, what I'm saying is I wanted to go to the CPA and be able to have tax strategies which weren't forthcoming. I wanted to go to a financial advisor and say, okay, have this money. Where do I put my money so that I can make more money on my money without having to keep finding properties and invest. And I couldn't really get a straight answer. I couldn't really get a way to move forward to land the plane. And that was when it started to hit me stronger that I needed to solve for this problem that I was having, which led me to start helping other women who had the same problem.

B (22:50)

So you're in this process of going from getting rich to what, what I would probably call getting wealthy. Okay. And it's funny because I, I love the conversations of what's the difference between being rich and being wealthy? And, and I don't know if I've ever asked another guest. I've had a few women on the show now, like, but in a man's world, like, as it were, especially as you're coming up, what's it like? Like you're saying, I'm having trouble getting the answers. I'm having trouble getting the access. Like, where did the access eventually come from? Did you have to create it? I've never had. Now obviously, maybe slightly different generation too, but I've never had a problem getting this information. And so I'm curious to a woman's experience as you're coming up in the world of, well, hey, I've done all the right things to start getting rich. I need the other pieces of this puzzle to turn rich into wealth. And where did it come from and what was the antagonist that was preventing it from coming.

C (24:03)

I would say that the antagonist had to do with the fact that there isn't really one right answer. When it comes to going from rich to wealth. There's many different paths and the paths that I was being led to were not aligned with my goals. So in other words, I joined high level investment groups and I would invest with the bros on deals that looked like I was going to make a lot of money where I felt that they were being vetted. And I would open my emails to find that I had $50,000 that just got dumped down the toilet.

B (24:44)

Time for a capital call. Give us another 50.

C (24:49)

Well, I love that we can laugh about it.

B (24:50)

You want to throw some good money after the bad money you just gave me? Hello.

C (24:54)

And this is, you know, especially in the last few years, we've really seen more and more of this and, and this was happening to me at various levels because I was really wanting to refine getting rich to being wealthy and what, and how that looked and how I could create more money on my money in different ways.

B (25:20)

You know, what I think wealth is. And you know, somebody asked me this question the other day and, and I spit out this answer and I couldn't believe that I'd said the words I'd said and I had to go meditate on it later because it was so, it was so profound that I was, I was a little shocked that this dumbass said it right. And he said, well, what's the difference between being rich and being wealthy? And I said, you know, wealth is a spiritual game. Rich is a financial game. It's a very different game. The beginning of spirituality is removing the question what about me? From every aspect of your life. And when you can remove what about me? You can take some of the personal or personality out of the decision making and a lot of the personal and personality of decision making. Which actually goes back to the scarcity that you were mentioning of anger or fear like wealth. To me now is this profound thing that I can make a decision without getting angry or scared. Because the root of being angry is you have to be right. Nobody can feel angry without feeling the need to be right or righteousness. And nobody can be scared without being linked to personal loss and attachment to something. And so wealth is when, if I lose this or not, I'm okay. I'm not worried about the loss and I'm not going to let the worry go into my decision making formula. I'm only going to let the formula go into the formula without projecting an emotional construct onto it or, hey, I'm going to invest in this because it's right or good or whatever. No, I'm going to invest in this because the fundamentals are right. I'm not going to bring any of my need for right or wrong based on personality or any of my need for, you know, protection into my investing. I'm only going to bring into it what are the fundamentals. Now obviously, like, if it's some tobacco company and I'm not for that, I won't invest in that because like, I just, I'm not looking at it but like, like there's so much ego in investing kind of to go to your point of like the capital calls and the money going down the drain. And I mean, I have a friend who, who, I mean, I love him to death and he was raising money over, over several years and he got caught in the apartment boom. And I bought a lot of multifamily and, and, and most of it's done really well. But there's been some capital calls and you know, and I, I've been doing a lot of lending for most of my career and now he's jumping into lending and I mean, that's all fine, but it's a big world to be raising other people's money and going into that when you're having capital calls on the other thing. And I sit and I love my friend, but I look at where he's going and what he's doing, and I think to myself, how much of this is for the game and how much of this is for the ego? Like if every deal could, could 100% be for the sake of the deal, I'm going to trust the deal and the person putting it together. The moment it's for the ego, that's where the capital call comes in. And you have to measure that in every investment. And that's where I think the difference in wealth is. A freedom from fear or anger versus wealth and riches. Does that make sense?

C (28:54)

Yeah. And it's so interesting because as you were speaking, I was thinking we might need to rename your PODC to Preston Brown's Therapy Sessions. Because I feel like also as you were speaking, I was realizing when you had asked me, why couldn't I get the answers that I needed? Why couldn't I for. For growing wealth. And the. I think the reason has to do with what you're talking about, with what's underneath, what wealth building means for you and what your motivation is and what it brings me to been a Conversation I have been in a lot recently, which is about the flow of money and about the energetics of money and how we relate to money and is money for your friend about his self worth? And you know, is it, is it that loss? And I know because I. We've all dealt with losses financially and I know with financial loss, the first thing I thought was, gosh, I'm such a loser. I can't believe I lost this money. And you don't even think about all the gains. You don't even think about how much you have. All you're thinking about is, is that. And that has to do with where we're in that mind of money as, as self worth instead of the energetics of wealth and what it means to, to move through life with money.

B (30:26)

Yeah, I love that. It's funny, our mutual friend Teresa is saying, hey, you need to go do coaching again. Startup coaching. I mean, I had a coaching company for a while. We launched it, it actually boomed somehow. We triggered Tony Robbins and then he sued me for launching this company, ybl, because we were traveling when he stopped and thank God we all settled that and that was done. But like I triggered the abundance guy, like. And so our coaching company blew up as a result. I think of Tony Robbins lawsuit like he was his own worst enemy. He helped advertise us to get bigger. And I did so much coaching that I. And it was all therapy that I had to get back out of that because I had two young kids who I wanted to coach. And anyway, now Teresa's like, go do it again. Just limit it to 10 people. So who knows, maybe we'll bring back the therapy sessions. It's fun. But you mentioned relationship to money. You've said it several times. And I think it's. Every person has a relationship to every single thing, including money. And at risk of going back into the therapy session, like we have a relationship where we communicate in what I believe is four channels. We communicate on kind of, you know, one channel with our mind, which is sort of dissecting it, pulling it apart, putting it back together. The mind divides. Then we communicate on like kind of a channel of the heart. The heart. The heart's connecting. Like, it's sort of like, oh, what's the upside? Like, think of all the, you know, but then there's, there's the body. Like you can get a gut from things. Like you can get like, people call it a gut feeling or a vibration or whatever.

C (31:51)

Woo, woo.

B (31:51)

We want to put into it. And that's a different channel. Of communic. But then there's a last one, and I was hanging out with a friend, Lisa Williams. She's this world famous psychic medium. She's been on Oprah and everything else. And she kept commenting, the soul knows, but the soul knows only when the mind quiets down. The mind yells, the soul whispers. And it's this other communication channel where you can get this knowing. And you're like, oh, wow. Well, there's a truth. Some of what she and I have talked about and some of the therapy sessions she's given to me in the past have helped me kind of look at money in a different way, where it's not just like a mind dissects way anymore. Now I'm trying to specifically give my relationship to money or my wife or my kids or my friends or really anything that I have a relationship to. All four channels of how I'm looking at them to let it kind of hit through. And. And I'm curious, because those channels, your mind was your main link to your relationship with money. Because you are articulating a highly transactional world, coming from a wild source of pain in your youth to, oh, wow, there's another side. And they have it all. And I can get that. And you're dividing it and reconnecting it. And your mind is a great strategist, tactician that's figuring it out. And you did, you succeeded. You get into tv, you learn facts, tell stories, sell, you learn. You learn how to build your own story. You become the story. But at some point, there's this aha. And that's really what I want to apply to you. There's the breakthrough. There's this piece where your heart and your soul and your body start speaking louder than your mind and you start teaching. What's that point? Where did that erupt? Because I love the vulnerability that is Tamar. Like, I mean, man, you've complimented our show multiple times. Like, you're amazing for the compliments, but you're amazing way before you walked in. And like, the way that Teresa was talking about you, I had to make her shut up because I didn't want to know everything about you before the show. I know you've got a level of success because of that vulnerability. Like. Like your vulnerability is your credibility. What was the moment where you were like, I've made it, like, what was the trigger point? Like? Because with you specifically, somebody that would be harder on themselves than most, that is so open to any feedback, like, more open than any guest I've ever had. Like, Major compliments. Somebody like you has, like, an aha moment. And there's so many women like you that are going to be, like, much harder on themselves when they're absolutely the right person for the job. They're going to convince themselves they're not, which is a limitation to the entire workplace, the entire opportunity, the entire investment, the entire family decision, whatever it was in that moment, all because they're needing that aha moment. What was that aha moment? How did it affect you? Or what was a succession of aha moments? Like, however it came out.

C (34:47)

I remember about now, maybe 12 years ago, sitting in my office and realizing I have everything I want. I have a great husband, I have money coming in. I have friends. And there was something inside my soul stirring feeling like if I'm able to come from where I came from and I had these challenges, why don't. Why. I feel that it is my mission in life to give this back to other women, to raise other women to understand how they can have the life that they want to have. And there was a moment for me where I really understood that money was the. The. The through line of everything, because I grew up without money, and I saw people with money. And like you said, it was a theme for me, it was a guiding force for me, where it was just always about the money, money, money. And then I realized what the money symbolized. And as I started to realize what the symbol. What the symbolic symbolism of the money was and what it could give me and how it could serve other women, I felt that I needed to start sharing my knowledge, my. My wisdom. We talk a lot. I talk a lot about wisdom in my wealth code, because you talk about the gut and that wisdom. I felt that I was so disconnected from it and that. That I had tapped into it. I wanted to share that. I wanted women to feel like they could enjoy wealth and enjoy all of it.

B (36:40)

Okay, I love that. And. And I want to. I want to throw something at you that I'm just noticing in. In sitting here having a conversation with you. I think you are. So let me clarify this. There is masculine, there is feminine. And. And normally the pendulum swings in. In the world, right? Like women, you go up to Pre World War II, like, they were generally not at work, not doing this after World War II. They went to work. Women didn't need necessarily to work, but they liked it, so they didn't stop working. Totally disrupted the economics of America when you doubled the labor force overnight. But, you know, we won't blame you all for that. Like, we like having you. But it's interesting because with that benefit of women going to work, they also got a new dose of what, what the productive masculine energy of the world was. And where women were wildly feminine before, you know, the receiver, the energetic, creating spaces, creating environments, building the family. Then they go to work. They're like, I gotta build it. Then they pendulum swung, probably went way too masculine. And the masculine's dense. The masculine doesn't hear anything. The masculine doesn't see anything. The masculine has tunnel vision. It's like, I'm gonna get that shovel the up. If you're not in line, you're in my way. Right? Like, and that's how the masculine works. I think women have, have, have gone this direction. Many of the women I've met, most of the women I've met in business, most women that I've met that are successful, they're admirable in how powerful their masculine is. You're wildly successful, and you're walking in and you're open, and you're very much a receiver, and you're very in tune with your environment. And you're probably the most feminine woman that I have met that has this level of success. And, and I think this is something that so many women I absolutely admire because you're sitting here and you're like, oh, my God, wow, I just got this. Or, oh, my God, that's awesome. But it's not from a position of weakness. It's from a position of strength and openness that is magical that I don't see in 99% of. I mean, I think I see that in my wife sometimes, but I don't see that in 99% of women because they're not safe to do it. And here you are coming in with a man you don't know sitting in a room by ourselves. Like, and you're just safe to, like, receive and give. Like, you're balanced magically. Like, you have this, like, masculine, feminine light switch where you can turn on one way and then you can turn on another way to whichever is needed in the second. Like, like very few women I've ever met, I, I, I really think that's a superpower of yours. And I, I hope that's one of the things you're teaching. But how do you do that?

C (39:20)

Well, first of all, thank you. It's been a long journey. I think I spent much time plowing away and pushing and pushing and pushing. And what I found was that it didn't bring me a level of happiness that I wanted in my life. And the only way back was through softening back into the feminine, was acknowledging that I had a certain way of being because I was a woman. And I knew that by opening myself to those, to that energy, to the feminine energy, that I would be able to unlock not only a greater level of wealth, but also a greater level of. Of certainty in myself and in being able to be grounded. So I appreciate all the compliments. It's amazing to hear that reflection because it's been such a long journey to get to a place where I could feel so grounded in. In myself and to not be concerned about, oh, my gosh, how is this podcast going to be? Oh, my goodness, am I going to say the right things? Oh, my gosh, will I be able to achieve this goal? I just feel like I have a knowing, and I feel like part of that is a feminine. For me.

B (40:54)

Yeah, it's. It's. It's. It's really. It's really attractive in. In just the way your communication style is, like, you can give and you can receive, and. And a lot of times, like, there's. Especially in, like, the podcasting space or the influencer space, there's this competition, and I get, like, zero competition energy from you. And it's just an engaging conversation. It's absolutely fun. And then, of course, like me, I love to look at patterns. I think that's what makes humans masters of our environment. And I see this young girl that comes from a living hell of Holocaust survivor and fear and wildly masculine upbringing and holy, look, there's heaven. But I got to do all these things and become all these things to get it. And then there's this process and journey where you've learned that, well, I survived that and that, and that if those wouldn't kill me, I'm just safe being me and receiving. And then you can do that with anyone, even somebody you haven't met. And it's. It's just magical. Like, I'm so excited for all the women you're helping because, like, you know, like, your. Your book, your podcast, like, if. If people could show up, like, you in the way, and they're going to get a dose of this for an hour or so on our show. But, like, if they could feel this, like, in real time, in real life, I think it would be something that women. It would be far easier for them to succeed in their natural flow state, not trying to be something else. Like, you don't have to be a man to be successful. You can be a woman and absolutely Crush it with your own way of energizing. You have a way of controlling a room like you're doing, which is rare.

C (42:35)

Oh, thank you so much. I do think that it is a combination for women in being able to feel confident that they can grow the wealth that they want and being able to have access to investment opportunities and understanding it. Because once we start to understand and we have access and we have the support, then we have the courage to move forward and then there's a grounding because there's nothing holding us back. Whereas usually it's a part of us that fears we can't do it or that we'll make a mistake, which we will many times. And getting used to it, getting used to be able to say, hey, I know I'm gonna fall, just get back up. That's what kids do. But we, as we grow up, when we fall down, we just feel like there's mud on our face and everyone's laughing at us and it's just farthest from the truth.

B (43:31)

So I would love, you know, because like, we're, we're. I'm getting to kind of know you and hear you and feel you a little bit, but I want to dive into a few snippets from your. You would talk about, like the wealth acronym that you have, which I'm so excited about, because sometimes, like some of these little bite sized chunks are what people need. Hopefully they go read the whole book. But can you give us a little bit of a download of like, what, what that is? Like just some, some of the, the, the hacks?

C (44:02)

Yeah, absolutely. So in the wealth code, it's an acronym for wealth and the W is for wisdom. And it has to do with how do you tap into the part of yourself where you can assess all the information, all the pieces of an investment, but you know, inside that you have the knowledge and you can trust yourself. And then the E is about empowerment and that's about being able to land yourself as a feminine woman and being able to make decisions boldly. And the A has to do with your access and how do we access opportunities and how do we know? Because how many times when we have money, people come up to us a day and ask us if we want to invest in a deal or we want to.

B (44:56)

Do you have Instagram? It's like 30 times a day. Oh my gosh.

C (45:00)

So we, so we need, we need to be able to have those first two and then be able to have access to the deals that make sense to us, to the opportunities that make Sense. And part of what I say as a woman is that for a while, when I was more in the masculine, I'd invest in private equity deals, I'd invest in certain deals that sounded really great. Not realizing I already had millions of dollars. I didn't need a 10x return. I'd be happy with a 12% return. And that was going to make just as much money for me on my money. What has been amazing to me, which I love so much, is when my clients are looking at their numbers and realizing, oh, this is how much I need to actually not work again. It, it seems like it would be so much more. And it's right there. It's in a calculation. In fact, I have a, I have a calculator now that's, that's on my website that has to do with your enough number and being able to calculate that and put that in with inflation, with interest. How much money do you actually need?

B (46:05)

I love that. It's one of the most powerful things people can do. Like I, I, I did that as a part of a mastermind group years ago and it was like, you know, what's your survival number? Like, what's your like goal thrive number? And what's your, and it was like something like, what's your money number? And I don't remember what that was. And it was so powerful for me. Like, I love that. This is, this is in your book. Like, right? They can buy your book and get this one.

C (46:32)

This is on more on my website. This, my book is about investing in real estate, which also it is women.

B (46:39)

Growingwealth.com womengrowingwealth.com Men, you can go there too. Like, the website's not going to gender check you. But like I did this thing and when I did the analysis, I already had a business that was doing like, I think at that point my largest company was doing like 70 million in revenue. And like, I mean it was spitting off like 20% margins. That was years ago. And almost like, wait, I'm at the fuck you money now. And, and I didn't know I was the one reading the income statements every month. I mean, like, you know, like I was reinvesting everything like you're supposed to when you're broke.

C (47:19)

So I, I mean, and the stress level that you were taking on when you didn't even need to, I'll bet.

B (47:25)

You so many women go through your courses, go through your website, look at it, they're like, wait, I'm not, I'm not that bad off. And Others go through it and like I'm doing the wrong thing, trusting the wrong people. I can go in this other direction. Like I, that is just, that's a gold tool. Okay, so we're on L, by the way. We're at W E A L. This.

C (47:40)

Is going to be your favorite one. Leverage.

B (47:42)

Leverage. I love leverage.

C (47:43)

Because without leverage, we don't get wealthy. We have to understand how to use other people's money, how to use partnerships, how to use our own money and when to leverage. There are so many ways in which we leverage incorrectly and then we're hesitant to leverage again. And how many, how many women do I work with where they're paying for everything in cash because they don't want to have any debt, they don't want to have any leverage.

B (48:09)

They're, they're not sitting there thinking, wait a minute, the Federal reserve in the 1970s, if that was a hammer and gold pre Nixon was a nail. The dollar was backed by it. Then we changed the dollar and removed gold. So now the nail is a screw, but we didn't change the hammer. Everyone else on earth figured this out. Governments borrow, businesses borrow, everyone else borrows. Yet the greatest consumers historically ever, over all years of human history are women. And they haven't figured out that leverage is a gift when investing, a curse when consuming.

C (48:50)

Beautifully stated, beautifully stated. So leverage is one that. Not only do I see women fall into this situation with wanting to pay for everything in cash, which sometimes is not a bad thing. I have friends that have multi seven figures and they paid for their house in cash and they're happy just because they just don't want to have a loan on it.

B (49:14)

I would say there's nothing wrong with it depending on your circumstance, but you need to under there's something wrong if you don't, you don't understand the laws and how they work. Choosing your own comfort zone if you know all the laws and how they work. Yeah, but if you don't know the laws and how they work, there's ignorance and there's stupidity and they're both reasons to have pain.

C (49:36)

Okay, let's talk about Tea. Tea is about tribe. You and I were just talking about the power of masterminds and mentorships and groups where you can get support and where you have people around that maybe are a step ahead of you that have done things that you haven't done before that you can share wisdom with. So important.

B (50:00)

I, I, I, I. Let's, let's stay on tribe for a minute because it's it's the iron sharpens, iron piece. I, it's when, when you're saying the people one step ahead of you, it's just they may be one, they may not be one step ahead in every area. They're not necessarily your guru, but they might just know more about that particular subject. Like, I feel like in this day and age with the social media generation, like we're all expected to know everything. And like having that tribe, it's, it's a safety net. Like, I'm a phenomenal businessman. I'm a terrible investor. Like, my stock market track record is really good sometimes, and by sometimes I mean rarely. And the rest of the time it's horrible. Like, I mean, I think I own half a million.

C (50:55)

We can talk about that.

B (50:56)

I own half a million shares of this stock called Opendoor. You know, it went from like 2 bucks to 50 cents. So what did I do? Well, I think I owned 100,000 shares, then I bought more, but I'm waiting for it to go back up. Like I, you know, and now I've made up as much money as I've lost on my Tesla stock. So it's like, I'm not a loser. I just, I'm not an investor. I, I refuse to sell the Open Door. Like, so we don't have to talk about that. I'm going to keep that, I'm going to run that for the long haul because I'm committed and I have an ego and I'm okay with it in certain areas of my life. But like, like since that lesson, which, you know, it's the second time I learned it, what was the, what was the bank? First Republic Bank. I learned that on First Republic bank as well. Thank you, JP Morgan. But like, it's like, I'll go make a million bucks in the stock market with my play money and then I'll go lose half a million, a million bucks in the stock market with my play money. And I'm really proud of the ones I made money on. But I'm a terrible investor when it comes to stocks. I'm a really good trader. I can make a load of money on options and trades, but when I'm picking a long haul stock, like my long term relationship game sucks in stocks. And then I see we were talking about Ryan Moran offline and he posted something the other day, like, hey, if you want to have $100 million net worth, like just, you know, I think it was like, put 20 grand a month into the S&P 500 for like 20 years. Or 30 years or something. And I was like, well that's really easy. Maybe I should just. Why are you making it simple, Ryan? Damn you. Where were you five years ago? I did the calculation. I had ChatGPT look at the calculation. And so I'm starting to receive that I need some tribe on my stock market investing.

C (52:52)

And this is what we're talking about too with women where we would be happy just investing in Tesla. I personally did the same thing and Tesla has been very good to me as well. And when we start going off road into areas that we really don't understand for what, what were you hoping for to make another couple million dollars on the stock, on, on the open table stock.

B (53:22)

So I mean I, I think what was I hoping for there? I, I don't, I don't know that I necessarily had a hope. Like I got into playing in the stock market. Like I've got, I've got two stock market accounts. I' give some money to a guy that handles it for me and he's doing all the index funds and all this stuff and I just put some access in there and it's done. Great. Okay. And then I've got my trading account which I keep a relatively small amount of money compared to everything else I'm doing. But I wanted to learn options, I wanted to learn that and I went and I found teachers and I did that and I learned it and it was great. But I never went and I never learned long term trading or long term investing strategies. I learned options and short term trades from a friend that taught that who was very good at it. And I've done really well like, and you know, like I'm not bad about buying Tesla when it hits 225. It did so twice in the last few months and I've made loads of money on that. But my long term game, like I, I treat it like I'm, I'm, I'm a fairly good real estate hard knocks economist. You're looking in broad context. I've made great decisions for my companies which are mostly around single family home real estate. And so in investing I go and I dump money into Opendoor, which is just, there's no diversification from what I do to Opendoor, which is just like a what a home flipping company in Arizona. Right. Like a big one who is so massively over leveraged. But they've been in a range of like, you know, know $2 a share down from like $20 a share and they seem to kind of oscillate down as low as 150 to 250 for most of last year. And so they kind of hit the. The two dollars. And I was like, oh, they're going to go back to 250. So I was like, oh, I bought 100,000 shares to make a trade, and then they went down to 150. And I was like, how? I'll buy another 200,000 shares to lower my average. And then, oh, you know, down to a dollar. I'll buy another hundred thousand shares, you son of a bitch. Settle down. And then, like, I mean, it just kept going until it was like 50 cents a share. And I'm like, well, you know what? I'm going to wait till it's 25 cents a share, buy the whole company and restructure the mother because there's only 70 million shares. Like, like, I mean, I feel like at certain point it's going to be my ego, like, driving me to, like, fix Open Door because I'm like, how are you up real estate, guys? Like, how have you done? There's so many ways you could have.

C (55:46)

Solved for this problem, especially with single family homes. Oh, right, yeah. There's a lot of flexibility there.

B (55:54)

So we should talk to them.

C (55:56)

Yeah, we need to have conversations. When we finish this podcast.

B (55:59)

500,000 reasons for you and I to go down to Open Door. Be like, guys, you all are literally the people that could an orgasm. Really Stop.

C (56:13)

So where were we? Tribe. Right, we're on tribe.

B (56:15)

We're on tribe. Preston needs to learn to take advice from tribe. I'll be calling you later.

C (56:22)

Yes. So tribe. And then the last one is harmony. And with harmony, I always talk about when you're actually in alignment with the investment and wealth decisions that you make. So even though you're talking about a situation where you invested in something and it hasn't gone your way, it was still in an area of. Of.

B (56:47)

Of.

C (56:49)

It was in a category of this is my play money.

B (56:55)

Oh, yeah, for sure.

C (56:56)

So you actually designated it so you would be a lot more upset about it if that was your whole strategy. Then it would be like you blew up the ship and you'd be extremely stressed out. But because you had it in a category, there is an element of. Of harmony in terms of the way that you've allocated resource. I always. I bet on the jockey, not the horse. So two jockeys. And I would always bet on the jockey that was the best jockey, even if he didn't have the best horse that he was racing.

B (57:30)

Yeah.

C (57:31)

Because generally the jockey is the one that's going to kind of take me home. So if I'm investing in a company, I'm always looking now at who is running the race and how close am I to them and every variable around them that I can find to see if they can get this force across the finish line, which is my investment. And if that's the case and I feel really good about it, then I say that that is a harmonious relationship for me and that falls into that category for me.

B (58:05)

I, I, I, I love that analogy. I mean that, that works the same in lending and it's, and yes, it is my play money, but I think because it's my play money, I am very liberal with it. Like, like to, to an extreme, we.

C (58:18)

Can laugh about it, we'll take over the company and resolve it.

B (58:22)

Other than that, if, if they hit 25 cents a share, like I might go buy their firm, like I might do a little deeper dive because I don't see how they're, But I, I, I love the jockey analogy because the jockey analogy is perfect. I mean, we, we say in lending, like it's better to make a bad loan to a good borrower than a good loan to a bad borrower all day long. And it's always about the jockey. Like I've made my share of bad loans, but you know, like my lending company, we finance home flippers. Well, the thing I look for is not normally the deal, the deal has to be there within certain parameters. But I'm more of a relationship lender to the guys that I make larger loans to and larger scale loans to than I'm looking at the character of the borrower because every time that hit the fan with the character, the borrower being good, I've come out at least even like I haven't lost. When it's a good character borrower, they might lose, but they're, they're preventing me from, maybe I'm not going to make money on that loan, but it's not a loss. You know what I mean? And overall we've made huge money with good borrowers. It's always the bad borrowers. Even if the deal's perfect, that goes south. So I love the analogy of the jockey. I think that's huge. So this is a wealth code that I think is like, if your name was Mike, I would have to drop you. That's like a mic drop moment. I've never heard wealth made into an acronym this way around investing. I really love it. I really love it. I think that's A good snippet. So what are like three or four more things that I can like, just take out of your brain and democratize to like our listeners? Because, you know, being a woman's, you know, leader, I feel sad for the men. So I want to like, get them a little more of you since.

C (60:22)

Well, there's just so much, so many ways we can go with this. Is there anything that's coming up for you?

B (60:31)

I'd love to kind of lean into the investment strategy, like give us my investment strategy. And this is out of laziness. Okay. I've done everything around business. I knew business, I made formulas for business, like people follow me for business. You know, I've made some reasonably good investments, but the reasonably good investments I've done are in businesses where I've invested in a partner or a jockey that's done well, if I can see it, if I can feel it, I can touch it. I've done well on it. But when it comes to the traditional investments, the stocks, the bonds, real estate, I'm fine on, because that's my world. But the stocks, the bonds, the syndications, all of that, I'd love for you to tap us into a little bit of, of like what you're looking for, what you're seeing, what has been trending success for you there. Because that's, I think, in, in this ever changing world, a huge need right now, 100%.

C (61:36)

Because if your money's not working for you, then it's not doing you any good. Especially with inflation these days. We know that money is eroding. So the first thing that I would say, and this goes for probably this, this goes for any man, any woman listening. And I'm sure when I say that it's going to affect more than 50% of the people. If you have money that's just sitting in your bank account and you're thinking, well, I'm not sure what to do with it. I'll just keep it there and do nothing with it. At least find a way to put it in low yields or doing something with it and maybe better, which is that I always target 10% plus returns because that, that money, that investment will make a significant difference between what inflation's doing and what your return is. So it may seem like, well, yeah, I can make 3% more. Is it really worth it? Yes, it's worth it. It really is. If you really run the numbers and you look at it, it is worth it. And sometimes it's to the tune of millions and hundreds of thousands of Dollars.

B (62:48)

Where are you seeing safe 10% returns right now?

C (62:53)

Yeah, so I would say where I see safe 10% returns are in. Well, okay, this is the thing. There's, you have to look at a couple variables now we're looking at criteria. Okay. So there's a lot of safe returns that are 10% plus returns that are not as illiquid as others. So in other words, I think Bitcoin is a pretty easy safe 10% plus return over time. Now you may have some fluctuation in that in the, in, in the market. Naturally it's crypto and yet we've seen that over time it's, it's returned significantly more than, than any other investment in time. So right there, if you at least take a portion of your cash, sit, and maybe applied some to a very strategic cryptocurrency like Bitcoin or Solana, it could be a good place to go.

B (63:54)

Okay.

C (63:55)

And it's not, this is not investing advice. I'm just saying look at the numbers, do the research and you can see that what I'm saying is accurate. It's based on fact, it's not based on that. I think Bitcoin is going to be great. It's obvious at this point. I think most of your listeners know that if you haven't gotten into crypto because you've been saying I'm not sure about it, that you might want to position that there.

B (64:15)

Right.

C (64:15)

Okay. And then if you want more liquidity, there's a lot of people that are offering debt funds right now that are collateralized loans where either they're investing in notes or they're investing in, even in single family homes that do funds around.

B (64:34)

This, this is a new trend that is coming out hard right now. Like I, I, I own a debt fund. I just don't take investors. So I'm, I'm my own capital and then I go to banks if, if I need more cash. And I am seeing so many new debt funds come out like, just as a, as a decent sized player in my marketplace and in my town, we're seeing a lot of new, new entries coming in to compete and they're doing loans. But I think there is going to be a bubble that's going to pop on the debt funds hard. And this is just me throwing my own context. I don't want to argue with you, like, we're not doing any advice here, like, but I have, I have seen a significant squeeze in, in what we do, which we're a pretty cut and dry lending firm. But We've seen actually the borrowers trying to push up like flip home real est from the 70 cents on the dollar to the 85 cents on the dollar and they're not leaving themselves any margin in it. And these debt funds are gobbling up these notes. And most of these debt funds are highly leveraged and investor based, which means the operator is running just some sort of syndication. He has no idea what he's lending on because he's able to raise money. I, I mean I think notes are a phenomenal way to make a huge amount of wealth. I think inflation trends are going to be a little bit negative on any paper asset over the 10 year, not the one or two. So if you're getting a 12% return, great. But I think with the debt funds, and I just want to throw this in, I'm invested in a few as well, like in other markets because I believe in diversification and I do it as well. But you got to be so keen on the jockey. Like this goes back to the jockey piece of your formula 100.

C (66:39)

And it also goes to some of the criteria questions that you ask in terms of maybe looking at a couple of their deals and seeing what is their ltv, what is that spread that they are investing at and maybe talking to other investors that are in that fund and asking them how has their experience been and how long have they been in business and how often have they had any issues or have they not paid. So there are certain things like with anything, I mean you can also invest on your own. I mean there's people that do loans, I do loans on my own as well where if you can really analyze the deal, you could certainly make more than 10%. You can still buy properties and make more than 10% if you, you know, between all the strategies, the tax strategies and if you know how to buy them proper, you can absolutely do that. And there's a lot of opportunities with.

B (67:40)

What'S coming out with the new tax codes. There's going to be some huge potential opportunities in properties leveraged for manufacturing and anything. You know, we're looking at a plan based on the tax code where we're willing to do like 5,149 ownership with manufacturers and will come in and acquire the building. 5149 basically creating kind of a note back for their part of the down payment. Because of some of the, the, the tax opportunities of what you can do with the building like and the new tax code, assuming it comes through, you can use any employee that's Part of R d, like like 100% write off. Like, like there's and, and you know, my, my CPA was telling me about this this morning, so I'm not going to quote it but like there are so many reasons for every company to open up a tech department or wing to, to create. Like there's. Anyway, I'm sorry, I'm getting excited about like some of the opportunities on the.

C (68:51)

Point is, is that even in this stressed economy there's so many opportunities and especially when we see a stressed economy, we growth because when there's something that falls down, there's going to be a lot that's going to lift up. So. Right. It's just that, that's just the yin and yang of markets. So, so it's definitely. These are all opportunities that I love because they are ways to invest that diversify income streams. If you have businesses, are you buying the business? The B, the building, are you buying the building? Are you, are you taking advantage of every opportunity where investments and tax advantages can work for you?

B (69:35)

And let's dive into maybe some of, you know, the last few minutes here I want to, I want to dispel the fear around investing because I, I think with just some of the openness you bring to the equation, people, especially women, but men too would, would, would hear this. How much money do you need to start investing? Testing.

C (69:56)

That's the, that's the question. I would say that it goes back to traditional theories of how much you actually need to survive first because you want to make sure you have some reserves because as we talked about, there's not always liquidity. There's still, there's more opportunities that we didn't even get into as far as storage and multi family homes that are coming up right now. Some had problems and now there's good deals on them. So there's all kinds of opportunities, but you can't always get access to that money right away. So you need to figure out how much money you need right away. And then based on that and based on what else you have going in terms of like what else you're putting into your businesses and what you need in your life, then I would say you don't need that much to start. I mean you can now do all kinds of, you can have all kinds of opportunities to, to create investments. Even if you had, let's say 25, you could get into some deals if you were an accredited investor. You could also create some kind of plays where you can maybe do lending for someone. There's all kinds of things you can do. I would say that the, the more that you have, the more obviously you have to play with and you can diversify and get into better opportunities. Sometimes those require a little bit more, but I think you can, you know, you could take 25k when Tesla goes down and put it in Tesla, Tesla. That's a return.

B (71:30)

I think there's probably an opportunity either right now or in the next few weeks to buy Tesla again. You know, it's not every day that the owner calls the president a pedophile. Right? Like, I mean, should, should we not, should we not be watching some of these things to tighten the market? Thank you, Elon. I mean, I love the entertainment. Like, I, I kind of, I used to get stressed out by the economy because I was like, what the is happening now? I'm just like, why do people watch reality tv? Like, we don't need it. Like, it's so. I love that because it kind of dispels the when should I invest? You should always invest. Let's actually create some fear, honest and real fear. Because I think it's important about not investing. As an economist, I, I see a world that is changing. We kind of have a unipolar world where America is the country that's not going to be the case in 20 years. You have the Chinas rising up, you have the Indias rising up, you have the Europeans figuring out how to create a block and doing it in a very clunky way right now. But they're going to get better and they've already started a trend. You have Brics, nations saying they don't like our reserve currency. We're probably going to be in a multipolar world where there's, you know, regional hegemonies instead of like one global hegemon. And that's going to create a level of disruption, a level of inflation, a level of money printing. Especially when you factor our government debt crisis that in the next 20 years, if you've invested, I mean, if you have $10,000 in reasonable investments, the hyperinflation that almost has to come as a result of this economic shift that will happen, happen that $10,000 might turn into a hundred. If you have 10 million, you, you, you could be 100 million or a billion. If you have a hundred million or a billion, like there, there's going to be this like, transfer and exchange of wealth. There's probably going to be a whole bunch of other things like hatred of the classes and all sorts of other things that are going to happen. But like, what happens to the people that don't invest or start investing something like the young generation? How much change can happen in the next 20 years as they're coming out of school, getting their jobs? Like the people in their 30s and 40s that are kind of like establishing in their careers, they have no idea what can happen. By the time they're 50 or 60, it's not going to be as stable as it was in the last 30, 40 years. What do you think happens for the ones that don't invest?

C (74:12)

I think life's going to be more challenging and it's going to be a different life for them. They may end up moving to less expensive, expensive places in the world to live. They may end up living with less luxurious things, although things are so accessible to us these days. That's the other. That's the dichotomy, right, Is that on one hand, life's getting harder, but on a lot of ways, you know, we have information at our. At our fingertips. Anyone can start a business. There's a lot of things that we can do that we couldn't do 30 years ago ago now. So I think that.

B (74:48)

But if you like beef, you might eat beans.

C (74:50)

Yeah, exactly. And, you know, and that might be okay if you have love.

B (74:54)

Yeah, Right. But if you don't have to have that future, it would be. It would be better to have the better future. Right. Like, the. The best advice that I was ever given when I was starting out was find the person that has the life you want, want and listen to them. And if you're lucky, some of them have a podcast, some of them wrote a book, some of them have mentorship opportunities, and, And. And maybe they'll add a little value to your life. So if you want to keep the opportunity of eating the steak instead of shifting to beans, I mean, beans are cool. I don't hate beans. But, like, you know, I come from El Paso. I joke, I'm so Mexican, my last name's even brown. We're a fan of beans, but, like, we want steak as well. And if you want to have that benefit and not be caught on the losing end of a sliding scale when there's just a few simple decisions you could get the right teacher who might be sitting with me right now, like, where can people find you tomorrow? Where can people look you up? Tell us about your website, Tell us about your courses, tell us about your podcast, Tell us about your book. Where can some of the women at out there that don't want to take that nosedive Unintentionally, Yes.

C (76:13)

Correct. I was being very polite and loving and I love that. Preston. Yeah, Preston's.

B (76:18)

Not that she was being masculine and direct.

C (76:20)

Correct.

B (76:20)

And non. Toxic.

C (76:21)

Correct. Your money, your money will erode. And there's no reason to allow it to. I mean, because there is a mentorship that I offer where I support women to make investments, to get educated, to understand their money, to know how much is enough to feed, feel empowered to master the wealth code. And you can find that at wealth building women, growing wealth.com. the podcast is women growingwealth.com the book is the Millionaires Mentality, A Professional Women's Guide to Building Wealth Through Real Estate. And you can get the calculator @grow wealth gift.com which is your enough calculator so that you can plug in your numbers and start to see, okay, this is how much I need. Or I'm already there, but how do I keep making this work for me or I'm not there? How do I start getting access? How do I build a tribe so that I have women that I can speak with and feel supported and know that I'm not alone in this crazy ass world that we're living in right now?

B (77:27)

I love that. And we will put all of that as well in the show notes because I want people to have access to this. Like, and, and, you know, I'm excited about all the guests I've ever had, but I just, I loved the way you showed up. I loved the way you came in and just said, hey, here I am. I'm gonna give, I'm gonna receive. It's both like this, this podcast for me felt more like play than any other podcast I've done. It was like we, like, we actually had to, like, program the start to the podcast. I was like, okay, tomorrow, hold on. We're just, we're, we're clicking so well. It's awesome. I love it. You're. We're gonna be friends after this, I'm sure. But, like, can I please introduce you and start the show? Look, it was, it was that great. Like, so thank you so much for coming on Problems to Profit. This has been such a. A gift.

C (78:13)

Thank you for having me.

B (78:15)

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