Episode 014 Matt Sharpe. Pastor, Therapist, Comedian

Summary

Project 1:8 – Episode 014: Matt Sharpe – Pastor, Therapist, Comedian

Host: Scott
Guest: Matt Sharpe
Date: September 5, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode features Matt Sharpe—an ordained pastor, licensed therapist, and stand-up comedian. Host Scott and Matt have a candid, wide-ranging conversation exploring the intersections between faith, mental health, and humor. The episode offers practical advice for those struggling with mental health issues, insight into the unique challenges within church communities, and an honest look at suicide prevention. Together, they dive into how joy and laughter coexist with pain, and the importance of connection, authenticity, and support.

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Meet Matt Sharpe: A Multi-Faceted Ministry

[00:36 – 02:07]

• Matt introduces himself, highlighting his journey from youth pastoring to licensed counseling and stand-up comedy.
• He expresses his love for “merging all things spiritual, psychological and humoral” in his daily work.
• Matt briefly discusses his book, From My Throne to His:
  • A devotional born from researching “the most awkward and uncomfortable Bible passages,” written to help readers “look at the hard stuff square in the face and see if we can find some truth and some joy in there.”

    “As men, that's where we do some of our best and deepest thinking, of course, is when we're having a deep stirring of the spirit.” —Matt Sharpe [01:20]

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Ministry, Therapy, and Comedy: An Unlikely Symbiosis

[02:07 – 04:11]

• Matt reflects on his early ministry, sharing how the desire for “effectiveness” led him to counseling.
• He now practices full-time as a therapist while staying active in ministry and stand-up:

  “I do cognitive therapy, which is helping people think gooder…change the parts of their thought patterns that aren't lining up with reality or truth. Well, that's kind of what comedy does…we take one situation and turn it suddenly and make people laugh about it, and here we are.” —Matt Sharpe [03:26]

• He affirms that integrating these aspects brings him joy and job satisfaction—“no committee meetings” is a definite perk!

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Observations from the Frontlines: Loneliness, the Church, and Connection

[04:11 – 06:12]

• Matt identifies loneliness and overwhelm as the root of many struggles he encounters—often masked as depression or anxiety.
• He sees comedy as a tool for community and healing:

  “Comedy is the only art form where success is based on the entire group having the same emotional reaction together at the same time.” —Matt Sharpe [04:46]

• Discussion shifts to the church’s dual nature—it can be a place of healing and grace or, at times, a source of pain:

  “…there are times the church has fangs and people walk away bleeding and wounded…part of what I get to do is help churches…where the broken come, they find love, grace, people around them, and we see transformation.” —Matt Sharpe [05:44]

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How to Connect with Matt

[06:12 – 07:05]

• For comedy, speaking, or therapy resources, Matt directs listeners to standuptherapylive.com (fictional in this context).

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Advice for Helping Hurting People

[07:05 – 10:22]

• Addressing the “veneer of perfection” (particularly referencing West Michigan culture), Matt stresses the airplane oxygen mask principle:

  “Put your mask on first, then help the person next to you…So often we have people in our lives struggling and we want to help them, and we don’t realize the toll that takes on us.” —Matt Sharpe [08:17]

• Healthy helpers need their own support. It doesn’t have to be therapy; a trusted pastor or friend suffices.
• Matt demystifies therapy, especially for men:

  “Therapy is really simple. You sit in a chair, I sit in a chair, and we talk. People say, ‘I don’t know what to say.’ That’s right. That’s my job. I get you talking.” —Matt Sharpe [10:07]

• Scott adds that a “ministry of presence” can be just as healing.

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Patterns in Struggle: The Value of Addressing Recurring Issues

[10:22 – 12:09]

• Matt observes most clients face recurring issues—anxiety, depression, stress—that return if not dealt with.
• He likens it to ignoring physical symptoms:

  “Is that a pulled muscle or a heart attack? We should probably get it checked.” —Matt Sharpe [12:01]

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Suicide, Hope, and Practical Response

[12:09 – 19:00]

The Growing Weight of Hopelessness

• Scott shares the sobering reality of suicides occurring at a campus near him, prompting a deep dive into suicide prevention.

Immediate Help—988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline

[13:29]

• Matt highlights 988, the national suicide hotline, staffed by licensed professionals, as a vital, immediate resource.

Three Risk Factors of Suicidal Crisis

[13:50 – 15:47]

1. Emotional isolation: “It's not just that I feel hopeless. I feel hopeless and alone.”
2. Defenseless personality: The belief, “There’s nothing I can do to fix it.”
3. Performance-based acceptance: Feeling, “I have to be the one to figure it out…and I have nothing.”

• When these combine, risk rises.

How to Help

• Always show love and don’t minimize the struggle.
• Be a safe, non-judgmental listener.
• If you suspect someone is suicidal:
  • Go with them to therapy or the hospital
  • Call 988 with them
  • Never leave them alone in crisis

Notable Quotes:

“Unfortunately, believing in Jesus and going to church does not eliminate suicidal crisis.” —Matt Sharpe [15:48]
“One in five of us as pastors have had active suicidal ideations.” —Matt Sharpe [16:00]
“One in three people who have attempted or completed a suicide have visited a church within one month before the attempt.” —Matt Sharpe [16:07]

QPR Training for Churches

[16:55 – 17:51]

• Matt describes “Semicolon Sunday”—a church-based event that trains congregants in QPR (Question, Persuade, Refer), an evidence-based approach for suicide prevention:

  “QPR is to a suicidal crisis what CPR is to a heart attack.” —Matt Sharpe [17:36]

Talking About Suicide—Don’t Be Afraid

[18:33 – 19:00]

• Matt explains that asking directly about suicide does not increase risk; it can relieve the burden and open a crucial dialogue:

  “It's kind of like taking the lid off a boiling pot. …Now suddenly I feel like it's a little bit more safe to talk to you about it.” —Matt Sharpe [18:45]

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Finding Joy Amidst Struggle

[19:09 – 20:32]

• Matt circles back to joy, humor, and reframing everyday life moments as gifts:

  “In life…there are always sources of joy just happening around us all the time…part of the reason I love comedy is all these sources of joy that are around us all the time.” —Matt Sharpe [19:15]

• He shares a comical anecdote about blind cleaning (“How does he know when he’s done?”), illustrating how humor can reframe a moment and brighten a day.

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Closing Thoughts & Memorable Moments

• Both Scott and Matt affirm the biblical foundation for joy and humor—even in hardship (“I made the platypus…Even the Darwinians are going, we give up.” —Matt Sharpe [20:23]).
• Scott encourages listeners to connect with Matt’s work and remember that help is available.

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | |--------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:36 | Matt’s introduction and background | | 01:15 | Description of “From My Throne to His” | | 03:26 | The connection between therapy and comedy | | 04:46 | Comedy as communal connection | | 05:44 | The church as both healing and hurting space | | 08:17 | “Airplane oxygen mask principle” for caregivers | | 10:07 | Therapy demystified, particularly for men | | 13:29 | Mention of 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline | | 15:48 – 16:32| Suicide prevalence among churchgoers and pastors | | 17:20 – 17:51| QPR training & Semicolon Sunday described | | 18:45 | Talking directly about suicide is vital | | 19:15 | Finding and sharing moments of joy | | 20:23 | The theological roots of joy and humor |

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Notable Quotes

“Comedy is the only art form where success is based on the entire group having the same emotional reaction together at the same time.” —Matt Sharpe [04:46]

“Unfortunately, believing in Jesus and going to church does not eliminate suicidal crisis.” —Matt Sharpe [15:48]

“Therapy is really simple. You sit in a chair, I sit in a chair, and we talk.” —Matt Sharpe [10:07]

“QPR is to a suicidal crisis what CPR is to a heart attack.” —Matt Sharpe [17:36]

“I made the platypus. Even the Darwinians are going, we give up.” —Matt Sharpe [20:23]

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Resources Mentioned

• 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline: Dial 988 for immediate help.
• QPR Suicide Prevention Training: question, persuade, refer.
• Matt’s website: standuptherapylive.com (for speaking, comedy, and counseling resources).

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This conversation is a valuable resource for anyone seeking to understand the interplay of faith, mental health, and humor—and for those wanting to offer or receive authentic support in seasons of struggle.

Transcript

[A]

Foreign. Welcome to Project 1 8. My name is Scott. I'm going to be your host today. We have something really cool in store for you all today. I have special guest with us. His name is Matt Sharp. Matt is a pastor, a therapist and a comedian. All those things rolled up in to one good package. I'm going to go ahead and let Matt introduce himself and you're absolutely going to love what we have to talk about today. Matt, hi. Thanks for joining us.

[B]

I'm Matt. Was that a good enough introduction or.

[A]

Yeah, no, that's what we like.

[B]

Well, awesome. So, hey, Scott, I appreciate letting me be here and just the opportunity to share a little bit of the, the weirdness and fun that I get to do every day and kind of merging all things spiritual, psychological and humoral into what we do. So I appreciate it.

[A]

Yeah. So Matt, thank you for being here. Matt has also got a book out and I haven't read it yet, but it's in my hand right now. I can't wait to read this. It's called From My Throne to His. And you want to describe the COVID of this, Matt, and let us know what's going on here?

[B]

Yeah, we'll even post a picture of it in the show notes later. No, I have a picture of a guy sitting on the throne that we all have in our. In our bathrooms. Reading, of course, the b. As men. That's where we do some of our best and deepest thinking, of course, is when we're having a deep stirring of the spirit. And honestly, it's a very fun devotional that I googled the most awkward and uncomfortable Bible passages in existence and then wrote an intentional devotional about each one. Just saying, let's have fun with it. Let's explore it. Let's look at the hard stuff square in the face and see if we can find some truth and some joy in there. And so that became From My Throne to His.

[A]

Love it. Man, I cannot wait to read this.

[B]

Hope you enjoy it.

[A]

Yeah, well, Matt, share a little bit about who you are, what you got going on, and what's on your heart.

[B]

Well, the, the short story is I got into ministry 20 plus years ago as a youth pastor because I wanted to be relevant. And then after a short time of trying to be relevant and failing miserably, I decided, hey, I want to be effective. Became an ordained senior pastor. And the part of the ministry that I love, besides teaching and speaking, is being there for people when they're in crisis. And so the counseling piece, the care piece, was always the aspect of ministry that I really loved being present in people's lives when they're going through the worst time of their life. And they would invite us as ministry providers in to be there, offer comfort and direction. And usually about the time when we as pastors need to refer to someone else for more advanced care for depression and anxiety, that's always when I would feel like, man, I'm just getting to know what's happening, what they're dealing with, what the story is. And now I got to hand it off to somebody. And so I said, no, I want to be that person. So I went back and got more training and now I'm a licensed professional counselor and get to work. I do that full time now. I'm still ordained, still preach and teach. And then I decided to have a voluntary midlife crisis a little while ago and started doing stand up comedy and loved it and discovered that comedy and therapy actually line up really well.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I do cognitive therapy, which is helping people think gooder and look at their own lives and their perspectives and change the parts of their thought patterns that aren't really lining up with reality or truth. Well, that's kind of what comedy does, is we take one situation and turn it suddenly and make people laugh about it, and here we are.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So how's that all work out? What's that look like?

[B]

Oh, it's a lot of fun. I don't really have many bad days at work. I get to spend time helping people, and then I get to spend time helping people laugh a little bit later on and still get to preach and teach and do all that fun stuff. As a pastor, you'll appreciate this. I get to do all the fun parts of ministry and no committee meetings.

[A]

Dude, I'm jealous. Totally, totally. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's a wonderful thing.

[A]

Oh, very cool. So what are some of the things that you're seeing then with this really unique ministry? What are some of the things you're coming across and how are people? How are people doing and what can we do to help?

[B]

Well, you know, as always, you know, humanity struggles. You know, we live, we are fallen, broken people living in a fallen, broken world, trying to make things make sense. And in my practice, you know, we see a lot of the, the most common things. We see depression, we see anxiety. Now those are the diagnosis terms for it. But, but in reality, a lot of times people are just, you know, lonely and overwhelmed. And one of the most important things, and part of the reason I enjoy comedy is because it creates connection comedy as far As I can tell, comedy is the only art form where success is based on the entire group having the same emotional reaction together at the same time.

[A]

Interesting. Yeah, I never thought about that.

[B]

We all laugh then my job is a success. And so in therapy, you know, one of the biggest contributors to mental. I always say mental illness because that always sounds very severe. But just the stuff we struggle with is isolation. Emotional isolation in particular, because I can have people around me, but I don't feel the emotional connection to them. And so I feel very alone, even surrounded by people. And that is a contributing factor to so many of our underlying mental health issues is loneliness. So bringing to that the church now. Okay, you and I both know the church can be a mixed bag.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Because we can be a wonderful place where people are loved and they experience grace and acceptance and warmth, and we struggle with people, and there are times the church has fangs and people walk away bleeding and wounded, and. And we don't like when that happens. So that's why part of what I get to do is to help people, help churches even do more of the good stuff where the broken come. They find love, they find grace, they find people around them, and we see transformation.

[A]

Man. Good way to spend the day.

[B]

I do enjoy my job. All three of them.

[A]

Yeah, for sure. So how can people get to know you a little bit better? Maybe get engaged with what you're doing at certain levels? How can they find you and just check you out a little bit?

[B]

Well, for the speaking, for the comedy piece, my website is standuptherapy Live. So standup therapy, all one word, live. You can see some of the corporate speaking I do, some of the comedy I do. And then from there, there's also links to my personal counseling practice and a few other things, like some of the stuff I do for churches, of course. So that's kind of the one stop shop to find whatever you want to know about me.

[A]

Very cool.

[B]

Very cool. Except my favorite color. I don't ever put that on there.

[A]

So we'll have to guess at that.

[B]

I guess it's blue. It's pretty obvious.

[A]

All right. Hey, what advice can you give? Like, folks like, you know, we're in ministry, we understand that a lot of people are hurting at deeper levels than that. Sometimes never comes out because we have this West Michigan veneer that we put on. And, like, we're fine, we're good, we're cool.

[B]

Yeah. We perpetuate the perception of perfection at all times.

[A]

Oh, yeah, It's. It's. It's kind of Heartbreaking in a lot of ways. But can you give any advice to, like, people who may have people in your family who are really struggling? Or maybe there's some folks that are listening that are going through some things. They're not quite sure where to go, who to ask, or how to manage some of the things that keep them up at night. What advice can you give to anybody that has friends or family members or just colleagues or something that they're really struggling? What do we do for folks? How do we help?

[B]

Well, I think one of the biggest principles that I would turn to very quickly is the airplane oxygen mask principle.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I always love it whenever I fly, and they're like, you know, if. If we lose cabin pressure and those little oxygen masks, you know, come down, put it on, and breathe normally. It's like, no, yeah, I will not be breathing normally. But. But they always say the same thing. Put your mask on first, then help the person next to you. So. So often we have the people in our lives that are struggling, and we want to help them, and we don't realize even the toll that that takes on us.

[A]

And.

[B]

And I tell people, whenever you have someone in your life who's struggling, it's important that you take the measures, first and foremost to be healthy yourself. And that's, you know, talk to a therapist. Talk to somebody like me. Get connected with a pastor, a trusted spiritual friend that you can lean into and say, this is what I'm dealing with. I just need you to be here. It doesn't have to be therapy. As much as I believe in therapy.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

Just having that person that I can be authentic with, and that's tough, especially in our West Michigan culture where, yeah, we're all. I grew up with a very Dutch mother, and that means we bought a lot of things on sale, like toilet paper. You ever try using single ply toilet paper? That's.

[A]

Try not to.

[B]

No. It's just gonna disappear on you in your time of greatest need. But this idea that we have to perform and we have to be, you know, living up to some social standard, that takes a huge toll on us. And then when we struggle, we see somebody struggling, we don't know what to do. So having our own personal connection to a safe person that can breathe life into us. I do have a lot of people on my caseload who come in because a family member is struggling with something, and they just want to be a healthy, safe presence for them. And obviously, if we are struggling to have somebody that we can talk to again, it doesn't have to be a therapist. There are wonderful pastors out there. There are wonderful therapists out there. Um, and the. I love demystifying therapy, especially for us as men, because we're usually not the first ones to put our hand in the air and go, hey, I'm struggling with my feelings, you know, but therapy is really simple. You sit in a chair, I sit in a chair, and we talk. And that's really it. And people say, I don't know what to say. That's right. That's my job. I get you talking.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I think sometimes, too, it's what I call, like a ministry of presence, too. It's just good to come alongside of people. You always don't have to figure out the problem immediately, but just to be there and love them and cry with them and just be present with them and build the relationship, too. For sure. Matt, are you seeing any type of particular patterns that people are struggling with in their life? Maybe some issues that are recurrent that are coming up a lot that you personally interact with folks on?

[B]

Well, I mean, in my. My practice, what I'm seeing is a lot of. I'll say, the normal struggles recurring, you know, and the weird thing that we forget sometimes is when we have a moment of crisis when. When I experience a surge of anxiety or depression, even if I don't call it anxiety or depression, I just call it stress or worry or I just can't kind of down or whatever. And that surge happens, it often goes away. And if we don't deal with. Comes back. And so what I'll see a lot of times is people will have a recurring issue that they can't figure out. Why isn't this getting better? Why isn't it going away again?

[A]

Sure.

[B]

So when we have those moments, even if it's, quote, not that bad.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It's still important to, you know, to talk to somebody to deal with it. You know, we. We see the same thing with medicine, of course. You know, somebody's like, I. I have sort of that. That tight thing in my chest going on. Well, okay. Is that a pulled muscle or a heart attack? We should probably get it checked.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I see that a lot. People who have recurring struggles that keep popping back up. And that's just, you know, kind of God's way of saying, you should probably deal with that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. And sometimes just taking the first step on that is kind of the hardest part, too. Sometimes times. Let me ask you something on a different subject, though. Recently I was doing a prayer walk on a nearby campus. And this campus has a bridge that overlooks a ravine. And there's been several students that have kind of got to a point in their life where they just lost all hope and, and they would jump off of this bridge into this ravine and they would commit suicide. And it was very sobering to stand on that bridge. And in a way there's almost a desperate feeling like there are trends today where people are really kind of at the end of the all hope. And what can we do to have awareness, to be able to help people? What can people who are really at that stage do to find hope and help? I know you've dealt with this a little bit yourself, so I'd love to just hear your thoughts on this.

[B]

Absolutely. And first and foremost, there's the question if someone is struggling right now and if, you know, to use your story of the people on the bridge, if they're kind of on the way to the bridge now, the best, fastest resource we have is 988. That is the national suicide hotline. It is staffed with people like me, licensed professional mental health providers. 24 7. I've actually been friends with some of my colleagues who've worked for the companies that do the call ins and they'll tell amazing stories of the conversations they have with people in some of their darkest moments. And so it's not, it's not just a switchboard that you get, you get a licensed professional help, you know, with those phone calls. And so that's. If there's a crisis right now. 988. Some things for us to remember is the three underlying psychological conditions that often contribute to a suicidal crisis. Number one, like I said before, emotional isolation. Okay, it's not just that I feel hopeless. I feel hopeless and alone. The second one is what we call defenseless personality. And a defenseless personality is the not. Not like their personality is defenseless. But they believe in that moment there's nothing I can do to fix it. Yeah, I'm hopeless. I'm alone. I cannot fix it. And a lot of that also stems back to performance based acceptance where I have to. It's not just that I can't figure it out. I believe I have to be the one to figure it out. And I have nothing. Those three things, when they combine, often lead to a suicidal crisis. And so for us, you know, if we've experienced that, we kind of know if we haven't experienced a suicidal crisis, we need to remember a couple of things. Number one, show love. You don't have to get it? I don't understand. I'll hear people say, I don't understand why that's a struggle. Doesn't matter. If the person is struggling, they're struggling. We show love. We show up first and foremost. Secondly, just being the person who's safe to talk to and ultimately getting them to help. If you think someone is suicidal, offer to go with them to therapy, take them to the hospital, sit there and call 988, put the phone in their hand, be there for the conversation and let them know you love them through whatever they're struggling with.

[A]

Sure.

[B]

That's a powerful, powerful moment for us as churches. Couple of important things. Unfortunately, believing in Jesus and going to church does not eliminate suicidal crisis.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

One in five of us as pastors have had active suicidal ideations.

[A]

Really? Okay.

[B]

We operate in a space as pastors where we have what's called effort, reward and balance. We pour our heart and soul into ministry. We don't always see it come back to us as thanks, pastor. You know, a lot of our stuff, we don't know if it made a difference or not. And that can take a toll on us. One in three people who have attempted or completed a suicide have visited a church within one month before the attempt.

[A]

No kidding.

[B]

That can be regular attenders who are struggling. Just, that's a normal routine. It can be visitors who are kind of saying, maybe there's hope here. So, you know, as the church, we, we have a regular opportunity without realizing it, to be the safe and loving place that welcomes people and just says, yeah, you're screwed up. Welcome to the club. Yeah, you know, we're, we're all a bunch of screw ups here.

[A]

Nothing but broken people here. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And so, and that's why we do the, the semicolon Sunday events, which is an entire day of training where we'll come in, we'll do a sermon on humility, hope and healing of how the church needs to recognize this. And then we offer immediately after the service or, or whenever it works for the church, we'll do a training called qpr, which is. QPR is a national organization. There it stands for question, persuade, refer.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And it's a training everyone should do. We've taught it down as young as eighth grade. It's very simple. And the easiest way I can explain it is QPR is to a suicidal crisis what CPR is to a heart attack. If I know cpr, it does not make me a cardiologist, but it means I know some things I can do to help that person stay alive until they get to help. Qpr, obviously it's a little bit different, but that's the general idea is I know what to. What to ask and what not to say to help get people to that help that they need.

[A]

Okay, well, yeah, that's some great advice. I appreciate that. I think, too, if you know somebody and they even casually mention the idea of, like, I'm just done with everything, to take that serious, to, you know, really take the next step for that. I think sometimes, from what I hear, too, if people express that type of feelings to the family member or friend, there's a tendency to just brush it off or anything. But I would just encourage people to take that seriously as well and get engaged in their life and so on.

[B]

Because there's no point in time when, if I ask someone who is feeling suicidal, hey, are you feeling suicidal? Sometimes we have this fear that asking the question will put the thought in their mind.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The research and the experiences show that when I ask the question, hey, are you feeling suicidal? And you are. It's kind of like taking the lid off of a boiling pot. It's like, I am. And now suddenly I feel like it's a little bit more safe to talk to you about it because you, you asked it directly. So.

[A]

Great analogy. Great analogy. Well, Matt, anything else you'd like to share with us today or that you got in your mind?

[B]

There's always lots of things on my mind. Always, lots of things. And I know, obviously, how do we go from comedy and psychology to suicide prevention and all those things? The reality of it is in life, we all struggle. And in life there's always something that we're going to be facing that we need help with, that we need people around us. And in life at the same time, there are always sources of joy just. Just happening around us all the time, you know, and part of the reason I love comedy is all these sources of joy that are around us all the time. It's just a way of recognizing them and kind of calling them out for everybody to enjoy. We were driving to Detroit to visit our oldest son, and we get off the some off ramp and there's a little sign on the side of the road advertising blind cleaning and repair. Now, obviously they're talking about window treatments, but my thought is blind cleaning. How does he know when he's done? I mean, a silly little reframe of a common moment. But at the same time, it's like, this is a source of joy that we get to, you know, something small we get to share and just find those things in every everyday life. They're there, you know, we get to celebrate them.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, that actually is in the Bible, too. I mean, the whole themes of joy and humor and sense of humor, man, so much.

[B]

I made the platypus. Even the Darwinians are going, we give up. We got nothing on that one. Everything in that creature, mammal that lays eggs, we give up.

[A]

So that's for sure. That's for sure. All right, well, again, I'm going to encourage you guys to connect to Matt's websites and don't be afraid to reach out to him and go see some of the things that he's up to and the things that he's doing. Yeah. I just really appreciate you being here today, buddy. Thank you. Good to be forward to it. And don't be a stranger. We'll have you back again soon, and we'll go from there, brother.

[B]

I appreciate it. Thank you much.

[A]

All right, thanks. And we'll. Thanks for tuning in today. And again, if you want to reach out to us, if you're struggling with some of these things or if you have any other questions that we can help address, we're pretty easy to find. Just follow the link that's in the podcast description and we'll be glad to reach out and help you. Thanks, guys. God bless and take care of.