Murder at the Bike Shop | Sidebar 6

Summary

Proof: A True Crime Podcast

Murder at the Bike Shop | Sidebar 6 (Aired February 26, 2026)

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Main Theme and Purpose

This sidebar episode features Susan Simpson, Jacinda Davis, Scott Baldwin, and Kevin discussing the tangled investigation into the murder at the bike shop, focusing particularly on the persistent alternate suspect, Alan Nutter. The conversation delves into why Nutter, despite extensive tips and confessions, was never fully investigated, the role of polygraphs in dismissing suspects, and the emotional challenges of wrongful conviction cases. Notably, the speakers examine the process and failings of the justice system while addressing the complex impact of memory, evidence suppression, and prosecutorial conduct.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Overwhelming Number of Tips Pointing to Alan Nutter

• Alan Nutter as the "Alt Suspect":
  • Nutter was identified repeatedly as a suspect from the earliest days of the investigation, receiving what the hosts call an "absurd" number of tips implicating him. (01:16-01:51)
  • Scott Baldwin: "I've truly never seen a case where there's a suspect who is this prominent. Like, not even the guilty ones are this prominent, which is maybe a sign too." (01:51)
• Suppression of Tips by Prosecution and the Court:
  • Scott Baldwin shares outrage and frustration that the prosecution withheld at least 12-14 tips about Nutter during appeals, despite claiming there was "no proof." (02:22-02:56)
  • Scott Baldwin: "They had access to the document showing that Scott was right. They were about Alan Nutter, and they just don't even say anything." (02:44)

2. Judicial Complicity and Evidentiary Withholding

• The judge in the case also saw the tips but only allowed a selection to be provided for the defense, rationalizing the decision because the tips were "anonymous." (04:01-04:38)
• Kevin: "Right, they're anonymous. So they'll remain anonymous even if you turn them over." (04:34)

3. The Depressing Reality of Wrongful Conviction

• The emotional toll of realizing evidence was withheld is discussed candidly by Jacinda and Susan.
• Jacinda: "There are these moments in these wrongful convictions that just sort of make you incredibly depressed and sort of zap your soul of humanity..." (02:56)
• Suppression of evidence not only hinders the defense but denies any chance of further, potentially exculpatory, investigation. (05:33)

4. The Polygraph Problem

• Nutter was cleared as a suspect after passing a polygraph in 1988. Much later, detectives told him the examiner was unqualified and misread results—this may have been a ruse to reopen dialogue. (06:36-07:11)
• Interviewer to Nutter: "The person that administered the polygraph to you...shouldn't have been allowed to administer polygraphs." (06:41)
• The team discusses how polygraphs in Kalamazoo often determined the trajectory of cases, sometimes being questioned or strategically undermined years later. (07:22-08:33)
• Scott Baldwin: "I just find the whole way polygraphs were treated in Kalamazoo was absurd. They really did just clear cases based on polygraphs." (08:33)

5. Witness Testimonies: The Complex Case of Nutter's Daughter

• Nutter’s daughter, Brooke, had a fraught relationship with her father and was emotionally conflicted about implicating him. She participated in in-depth interviews with both investigators and police. (09:47-10:26)
• Her statements reveal how traumatic memory operates—she struggles to separate two murders (the "bike shop" and the "Manny Cole" case) in her mind, filling in the gaps based on what she learns in interviews. (10:49-11:56)
• Scott Baldwin: "She just corrects her memories based on what she's hearing and doesn't realize she's doing it until she does realize it and starts freaking out a bit." (11:41)
• This case illustrates the problem of witness memory suggestibility and contamination, especially with overlapping traumatic events. (11:56-12:37)

6. Overlapping Murders and Alibi Confusion

• The hosts point out that Nutter was alibied for the bike shop murder (sometimes by people involved in the other murder), yet rumors of his confessions circulated widely.
• Multiple witness statements, including conflicting alibis and secondhand stories, complicated the investigation. (13:09-14:17)

7. DNA Evidence: Hope and Frustration

• Unknown male DNA was found under the victim's fingernails. It does not match Scott Baldwin (the man convicted) or Alan Nutter, intensifying the sense of injustice. (15:11-15:38)
• Scott Baldwin: "There was DNA found. Someone's DNA was under his nails, like their blood or their skin. He scratched someone with both hands. That DNA is there and it is not Scott and it still doesn't fucking matter." (16:36)

8. The Systemic Difficulty of Overturning Wrongful Convictions

• To exonerate someone, the defense must not only prove constitutional error, but usually must provide an alternative suspect and a tidy narrative for the prosecution.
• Jacinda: "You’ve got to give them an out, so to speak. And they couldn't give them an out because nobody knew who else the DNA matched." (17:13)

9. Teasing Future Episodes

• Next, the hosts promise to share more about Richard Vendeville’s involvement and their efforts to track down and interview Alan Nutter themselves. (17:19-18:12)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Scott Baldwin (on withheld tips):

  "I would have lost my mind if I went to the appellate court for Michigan and was told, you lose because you have no proof. There about Alan Nutter, and then find out that the prosecution knew the whole goddamn time. There were like 12 or 14 of them." (02:22)

• Jacinda (on judicial and prosecutorial conduct):

  "There are these moments in these wrongful convictions that just sort of make you incredibly depressed and sort of zap your soul of humanity..." (02:56)

• Scott Baldwin (on the justice system’s logic):

  "It takes a certain mindset as a prosecutor to be like, it is okay to not tell a defendant about this." (03:48)

• Kevin (on the polygraph tactic):

  "Police are allowed to lie to people during interrogations or whatever. I mean...it's not a horrible opening line to be like, hey, we got to talk to you, because the polygraph operator, you know, didn't do a good job." (07:41)

• Scott Baldwin (on defense being denied paths):

  "If the defense had this information figured out about Trudy Fields and the Bloody Wrench. Not a chance Scott gets convicted. I mean, just that is reasonable doubt." (05:13)

• Scott Baldwin (on DNA disappointment):

  "There was DNA found...and it is not Scott and it still doesn't fucking matter." (16:36)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [01:16-02:56] - Discussion of the massive quantity of tips implicating Alan Nutter and frustration with prosecutorial suppression.
• [04:01-04:38] - Judicial decision to withhold anonymous tips from the defense.
• [05:13-05:33] - Impact withheld evidence could have had on defense investigation.
• [06:36-07:41] - The original polygraph that helped clear Nutter; questions about its validity.
• [09:47-11:56] - Brooke Nutter’s emotional struggle and suggestibility in witness interviews.
• [15:11-16:36] - DNA evidence: discovery, hopes for exoneration, and crushing outcome.
• [17:19-18:12] - Preview of future efforts to track down Alan Nutter and further case developments.

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Tone & Language

The conversation is candid, sometimes incredulous, with a focus on the emotional devastation wrought by wrongful convictions. The speakers use direct, sometimes coarse language (e.g., "the whole goddamn time," "it still doesn't fucking matter"), underscoring both the personal frustration and the systemic injustice at play. They balance detailed evidentiary analysis with empathetic storytelling, drawing listeners into both the investigative weeds and the human toll of the case.

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Summary Takeaway

This Sidebar episode confronts the failures of the justice system in the "Murder at the Bike Shop" case, revealing how prosecutorial and judicial actions kept crucial evidence from the defense, allowing a wrongful conviction to stand. Through discussions of flawed polygraph procedures, conflicting witness memories, and ultimately the impotence of exculpatory DNA evidence, the hosts underline the persistent obstacles to justice in wrongful conviction cases—leaving listeners with a cliffhanger for future developments in the investigation.

Transcript

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[Jacinda]

Experience.

[Scott Baldwin]

Hello, and welcome to this week's sidebar discussing episode six of season three of Proof. I'm here with Jacinda and Kevin. Hey, guys.

[Kevin]

Hey, Susan.

[Jacinda]

Hey, Susan.

[Scott Baldwin]

And we're here to talk about, well, Alan Nutter and the boogeyman. So Alan Nutter is the alt suspect in this case. He was an alt suspect from, you know, the first week of the murder back in 1988. And he was the focus of Scott Baldwin's post conviction appeals and petitions since about a year or two after his conviction. And you can kind of hear why in this episode. Like, there's a lot of reasons to be very interested in Allen Nutter.

[Jacinda]

Yeah, there are a lot of reasons to be interested in Alan Nutter, not the least of which is he's all over the silent observer.

[Scott Baldwin]

Tips all over to an absurd degree. I've truly never seen a case where there's a suspect who is this prominent. Like, not even the guilty ones are this prominent, which is maybe a sign too. Like, there are an absurd number of tips about him. An absurd number of people after the conviction who come forward who didn't leave tips, but just separately, like, hey, this guy confessed to me too. Someone should know about that.

[Jacinda]

I mean, Scott and his attorneys fought for so many years to get these tips, and when they got them, I mean, they must have just been dumbfounded that there were this many that mentioned this guy.

[Scott Baldwin]

I would have lost my mind if I went to the appellate court for Michigan and was told, you lose because you have no proof. There about Alan Nutter, and then find out that the prosecution knew the whole goddamn time. There were like 12 or 14 of them. 14 of them about Allen Nutter. I mean, that's so frustrating. Like, it truly was like a case where you had the court going here, like, oh, we don't really know for sure it's about Allen, so that doesn't mean anything. And the defendant, Scott, is like, but it could be right. And meanwhile, the prosecution just knows. They know. They knew the whole time. Like, the whole time they rang those briefs, they. They had access to the document showing that Scott was right. They were about Alan Nutter, and they just don't even say anything.

[Jacinda]

There's this recurring theme, and I think we've all talked about it. Certainly Jacinda and I have talked about it. It'll just, like, come up while we're on the road or while we're doing a shoot for something else. There are these moments in these wrongful convictions that just sort of make you incredibly depressed and sort of zap your soul of, like, humanity that this happened, that all these years these tips had been sitting there and Scott fought for them, right. And he couldn't get them. And it's just the most depressing thing. Like, you can't calculate it. There are always things in the law that sort of make you scratch your head in terms of logic, but sort of go, yeah, I get it, with sort of legal proceeding, and you have to sort of try and do things fairly. But this one, just when I learned about all this, when we were putting the story together, just kind of knocked the wind out of me. Like, all these tips and all of these years, and they were all right there.

[Scott Baldwin]

I think it takes a certain mindset as a prosecutor to be like, it is okay to not tell a defendant about this. Like, to have the idea in your head that it is okay for a defendant to not know. This kind of evidence does kind of show how you're approaching cases in general.

[Kevin]

But, you know, it's not just the. The prosecutor. It's also the judge who.

[Scott Baldwin]

It was the judge, too, who upheld it. Like, it's interesting, too. This is one of the rare cases where the judge is involved, because in this case, the judge himself actually got all the tips. I don't know how detailed he went through them. But this was not a solitary call by the prosecutor because the judge had the tips looked through them and said, you know what? It's okay. We can only give a few of them to the defendant. The rest can stay hidden because they're anonymous, so therefore the defense shouldn't see them. But, like, they're anonymous. Like.

[Kevin]

Right, they're anonymous. So they'll remain anonymous even if you turn them over.

[Jacinda]

Well, right. That's. That's the thing that keeps going through my head is I know when we talked to Madison, he was talking about identities being protected. I get it's anonymous, but yes, they are anonymous. Like, if you look at the tips, they say anonymous, most of them, like,

[Scott Baldwin]

trust me, trying to find who called them in is usually impossible. And I've tried for a lot of them and admittedly couple them, I've been able to, like, reverse engineer who it was, but, like, with intensive effort.

[Jacinda]

Right. But then they just have to go and do their sort of investigation once they know that he's a suspect and, you know, you all talk about it in the episode, this would have been of tremendous assistance to the defense, I

[Scott Baldwin]

truly believe, if the defense had this information figured out about Trudy Fields and the Bloody Wrench. Not a chance Scott gets convicted. I mean, just that is reasonable doubt. And juries do weird things. Juries often don't like defendants. But I think almost any jury that hears about the Bloody Wrench and how many tips they had, Alan Nutter, I think you're going to get an acquittal or at least a hung jury.

[Jacinda]

And even if they don't find Trudy and even if they don't figure out what happened to the Bloody Wrench, who knows what else they would have found from talking to people in their investigation. Maybe they would have found some other witness that would have been useful. I mean, it's denying a path for defense.

[Scott Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Jacinda]

And it was just one of those moments that just stopped me in my tracks and just made me unbelievably depressed when sort of came across that this is what happened. It just makes you want to cry for Scott.

[Scott Baldwin]

Yeah. Because it's also just not that hard of the people that Helen Nutter may have confessed to. So the defense, like one hand tied behind their back, could have probably pulled that off.

[Jacinda]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Scott Baldwin]

So why was Alan Nutter not a suspect in this case? I mean, he was initially very quickly, but then is cleared, you know, within a matter, I want to say, two weeks of the murder, if that. Because he took a polygraph, which is something that comes up as well in the post conviction investigation by the new round of detectives. And here's a clip of the interview they did with Nutter and explained to him why they're reopening the case and why they need to talk to him again.

[Interviewer]

Did you ever take a polygraph for this?

[Scott Baldwin]

Yeah, back in 88, I did.

[Jeremy Schwartz]

88.

[Jacinda]

Okay.

[Interviewer]

The person that administered the polygraph to you come to find out she hadn't been through all of the required training, that they. They shouldn't have been allowed to administer polygraphs. And when the person that was fully trained, kind of her mentor, went back and looked at the results, a lot of it was like she kind of misread a lot of stuff, and. And things weren't always accurate. So basically somebody could have been lying their ass off, and she probably wouldn't even have realized.

[Jacinda]

Seems like every case in Kalamazoo in this case, and, like, they're all these polygraph questions. I mean, there were questions in Jeff's case, and they started to discredit Roy Ballot because they said he didn't do a good polygraph.

[Scott Baldwin]

Now, we don't know if this is true. It could just be that the detectives were saying this as a way to interview Nutter. Like, maybe there was no issue with the polygraphs. We don't know. But, you know, like Kevin said, this is a recurring theme in cases and calendars. We looked at, like, there's a polygraph, some passes or fails. Someone comes back 10 years later and challenges it, and they're like, oh, this polygrapher sucks. And that's why the problem happened.

[Kevin]

Police are allowed to lie to people during interrogations or whatever. I mean, if you're going to go interview someone who's been a suspect in a case forever and is tired of talking about it, it's not a horrible opening line to be like, hey, we got to talk to you, because the polygraph operator, you know, didn't do a good job. So we're just here to clear things up.

[Jacinda]

It's certainly a better opening line than, your ex girlfriend is dying of cancer and we can't find her.

[Kevin]

Right.

[Jacinda]

You know, I mean, it's better opening line than that anyway.

[Scott Baldwin]

But they use this polygraphy line and, like, several interviews, even with witnesses, so it's not just with the suspect. So I have no idea if it's true or not. We'll get into it more later. We've not talked to the polygrapher in question, so we don't know her side of it. But that's what they were telling witnesses back in 09, 2010.

[Kevin]

It does seem like regardless that the polygraphs are used in whatever way, it's most beneficial for the case.

[Scott Baldwin]

Yeah. Which is what polygraphs are. I just find the whole way polygraphs were treated in Kalamazoo was absurd. They really did just clear cases based on polygraphs.

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[Scott Baldwin]

so there were a lot of witnesses that the detectives talked to when they reopened again for the second time. But probably the one that's of most interest is Nutter's daughter, Brooke. She died a few years back of an overdose. But she had a very long emotional interview with both Scott's investigators and with the detectives from Kalamazoo. And you can hear in her interviews how much she was struggling with this because she. She and her dad had a strained relationship. He was in prison most of her life. They weren't like super close in that way, but it's still her dad. And she was conflicted about coming forward about him, but she also thought he could have done this and that she had info that mattered, so she was going to share it with them.

[Kevin]

Yeah, you can hear there's one part in the episode where she says talking about Scott, she didn't know his name or anything, where she says, you mean he never confessed? Like, she's hoping the man in prison for the bike shop murder is guilty and has confessed and that all this stuff with her dad just isn't true. And he says no. He's always said he didn't do it. You can hear how she reacts to that. And she's just kind of devastated.

[Jacinda]

Yeah, she struggles with, you know, wanting to get to the truth and figuring out what the truth is. And did she fill in the gaps with these two different murders and cross the facts? And you have the sense that she's just an incredibly honest person who's trying to do the right thing, and that's the easiest thing.

[Scott Baldwin]

And going through her interviews, you can just See the slow progression of how the confusion happens. I mean, she starts off already thinking her dad could have done the bike shop murder. That's not put into her head. That's a thought she has at the beginning. But as the interviews progress and, like, she learns things, you can see that interview, how she incorporates details and, like, solves problems, quote, unquote. Solves problems by adjusting her memories to make it fit what she thinks is the answer. And it's so unintentional on all sides, it's almost painful to watch it play out listening to those tapes, like, in sequence from start to finish, because she just corrects her memories based on what she's hearing and doesn't realize she's doing it until she does realize it and starts freaking out a bit. She's like. Tells the cops. She's like, I want to be honest with you. And I'm no longer totally certain where these memories come from.

[Kevin]

It's something that happens to all of us. You know, when you're trying to piece together memories and someone's telling you they remember something one way and, you know, you might have that moment. Oh, yeah, yeah. Maybe you're right. And then, you know, you start to incorporate that into your memory. So it. It's something that happens all the time.

[Scott Baldwin]

And then it turns out she's in, like, in a Charlie Childer situation because there were two murders, one across the street from the other, that her dad was involved or connected to. And she talks about one, hears about the other, and she doesn't know enough to separate what she's hearing. Like, at first, she didn't even know about the Manny Cole murder, so she assumed everything she was hearing was about the bike shop. When in reality, it is very clear that she was hearing things about this other murder that she just assumed had to do with Earl o'. Byrne.

[Jacinda]

Yeah. You all need to pick stories that are a little more clear cut and don't have so many offshoots. When I first learned about the Manny Cole murder, I had to make her mad. Yeah, Yeah. I was like, come on, this is like Charlie Childers all over again. It's sort of incredible. And she's doing what we all do in her interview, which is whether we realize it or not. Like, we have this sort of sense of deductive reasoning and we naturally try and fill in the gaps. That's what we all do every day. So it's such a crazy story.

[Scott Baldwin]

Yeah. But her memory, she feels very certain in her memory that the bike shop. What she thinks of the bike Shop. She's like, so they went in, tried to rob the bike shop, hit him in the head, and then they're like, oh, they get him in the car, drive around and drop them off. Like, that is absolutely not Earl o' Byrne of the bike shop. That is definitely the Manny Cole situation. Which is a complicated, long story. Won't get into it. But, yeah, it did involve driving around in Alan Otter's car and them not realizing that he was gonna. Yeah. Anyway, that part's definitely about Manicole, who was, in fact, the alibi for Allen Nutter for the bike shop murder.

[Kevin]

But it seems like there were several alibis for Allen Nutter for the bike shop murder.

[Scott Baldwin]

There were.

[Kevin]

She also does say things that make you think, ooh, wait, like, they didn't think he was dead. You know, like, that sounds like Earl. Right? Like, he bled to death. He didn't die right there while he's being attacked. So there are things that you can understand why it does sound like the bike shop murder as an investigator hears

[Scott Baldwin]

that, and they're like, oh, my God, this is obviously what she's talking about. Like, why are they gonna assume there's a second murder across the street that she's conflating?

[Jacinda]

It also doesn't help the fact that she clearly knew that her dad was walking around town telling everyone he did it.

[Scott Baldwin]

And she grew. Like she said she grew up hearing about his involvement, our alleged involvement in the bike shot murder. People talked about it, Right?

[Kevin]

So if anybody doesn't know what we're talking about with Charlie Childers, you should go back and listen to season one of Proof.

[Scott Baldwin]

So what I think probably happened is there was a car ride. And in fact, Allen Nutter, he confirms it to the cops when they ask him, like, I remember this car ride and the conversation. There was a car ride. There was a heart to heart between father and daughter. Daughter asked about this one murder. Father starts talking about a different murder, and neither realize they're talking about different murders.

[Kevin]

But it doesn't explain all these other tips coming in from Alan.

[Scott Baldwin]

Some of what Alan's daughter heard is definitely about the bike shop. Like, she's not talking about only Manicole. Like, some of the things she's talking about, really legit, are about the bike shop. Her dad did tell her things about the bike shop, separating it. It's a hard task to do.

[Kevin]

Yeah. I wish we could talk to her, but obviously we can't.

[Scott Baldwin]

So you heard in the show that Allen Nutter is a great suspect, but you also heard our Hesitation about whether or not he really did do this, in part because, like, for a lot of the reasons that the case against Scott doesn't make sense. The case against Allen Nutter has problems too. Neither Allen nor Scott are people that Earl o' Byrne would open the door. But more than that, there was unknown male DNA found under Earla Byrne's fingernails. And it's not Scott Baldwin, but it's also not Alan Nutter.

[Kevin]

We also know that Earl wasn't very clean. He wore the same clothes every day for days and days and days and days. Probably months at a time.

[Scott Baldwin]

I'm not aware of any accounts of him showering. Just.

[Kevin]

Yeah, I mean, who knows what was under his fingernails.

[Scott Baldwin]

Right. But at the same time, only a single unknown male profile suggests something like. It's not like it's a giant mixed profile here, it's one male unknown profile profile. Given the defensive injuries, there's a decent strong chance that, I mean, we know that Earl engaged in like hand to hand struggle with his attacker. Like, who else is he going to pull blood and flesh off of? Like Scott says.

[Kevin]

Yeah, yeah, I know. Scott was really, really hopeful, just waiting for this DNA to come back. He talked about it a lot. He thought for sure it was going to come back and he'd be home. And I remember the day he called at it came back and just like he'd been telling everyone for, you know, two decades, it wasn't me, it wasn't me. And then to find out that it

[Scott Baldwin]

didn't matter, like the impossible happened. There was DNA found. Someone's DNA was under his nails, like their blood or their skin. He scratched someone with both hands. That DNA is there and it is not Scott and it still doesn't fucking matter.

[Jacinda]

Yeah. It's one of the other frustrating things about wrongful conviction cases when you learn that oftentimes you need to be able to give the prosecutor a clear narrative as to who did do it.

[Scott Baldwin]

Yeah. Not only did, to prove that they were constitutionally wrong in some way, you better solve the case on top of it or it's going to be hard and make the prosecution care.

[Jacinda]

Right. You've got to give them an out, so to speak. And they couldn't give them an out because nobody knew who else the DNA matched.

[Scott Baldwin]

I mean, they've kind of banked everything, ended up being Alan Nutter and they got his DNA and it wasn't. So the boogeyman in the title was not actually Alan Nutter. We also heard about Richard Vendeville and we heard about him meeting both Scott and Jeff Titus in prison. Side note, as we're recording, today is the three year anniversary of Jeff Titus being exonerated, but Richard Vendeville played a big role in several of the cold cases, probably most prominently the Polderman case, which we'll be hearing about more in future episodes. But next week we hear what happens when we got back to Kalamazoo again for the first time since we worked on Titus It's a case and started talking to witnesses for ourselves in the Scott Balpin case. And you hear about our efforts to find Alan Nutter and talk to him for ourselves.

[Kevin]

You've been listening to Proof Sidebar a podcast by Red Marble Media in association with Glassbox Media. Send us your questions and comments at Proof Crime Pod gmail. Follow us everywhere with the handle at proofcrimepod and on our website proofcrimepod.com thanks so much for listening.

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