A (3:07)

So it's relatively new. And we look at the book and we see things jump off the page. All will be afraid, and the watchers will tremble. Great fear and trembling will seize everyone over the whole Earth. The high mountains will be shaken, the high hills will be brought low, melting like wax in a flame. Now that's dramatic stuff.

B (3:31)

Yes.

A (3:32)

At the opening of a book, and particularly a book that was more or less hidden until a particular time in history, then it was brought out. And it seems to be talking about the Tribulation.

B (3:45)

Yes, it does. And Jude actually quotes from Enoch. And I know a lot of people say, well, just because Jude quoted from it, he thought it was interesting. That doesn't mean it's inspired or anything like that, which is true. But at the same time, we shouldn't be asking why did Jude want to quote it? We should be asking, why did the Holy Spirit lead Jude to write inspired scripture and quote it in there? And the only reason would be that the Holy Spirit wants us to know that it exists. And if that's the case, that means we should read it.

A (4:18)

We're talking with Ken Johnson, who, by the way, has a famous study basement. We started talking years ago about how you and I've never been there. So I have to imagine it, you know, closing the basement door, locking it, going downstairs. And there is the desk where you've done all this work over the years and it's kind of become legendary.

B (4:46)

Well, you're cordially invited to come down sometime and I'll show you the secret basement.

A (4:51)

I would like to see the secret basement sometime. But what Ken does is very interesting. And I'll start out, but you can finish my thought. What you do is take a. A rather first level linguistic approach to ancient manuscripts.

B (5:10)

Right? You have the old. I started off looking at the early church fathers just to see what they taught about the Rapture, eternal security, you know, this stuff. And then I got that figured out. But in the process of explaining, they believe this rather than that. They would quote Scripture and then they would quote other books. And so that just led me to look for those other things just so I could understand more. And then we found Enoch and Jubilees and Gad the Seer and other things like that. And they do really explain some things.

A (5:41)

You know, Jude quotes this portion of the Book of Enoch. It says, behold, he comes with ten thousands of his holy ones, I.e. his saints, to execute judgment upon all, to destroy the ungodly, to convict all flesh of all the works, their works of ungodliness which they have ungodly committed, and all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. And now Jude quotes that, and I'm looking at your book and you note that it's quoted in Jude 14 and 15. To me, that is really significant. The Lord comes with ten thousands of his saints. The King James Bible says, what's that talking about? And how should I as a Christian in this particular time period look at this?

B (6:44)

Well, we're talking about not the Rapture, but the second Coming. And there's other passages that talk about the Rapture in there, but we're talking about a time when the Lord comes back to establish justice and a reign and, and he comes back with tens of thousands of his saints to execute judgment. And so in the book of Revelation we're told that the saints will rule with the Lord with a rod of iron. So there will be a time when evil is finally dealt with and we have a messianic kingdom and that's what it's referring to. So it's interesting that we see the same thing in the Old Testament, but clearly in Revelation and then Jude quoting that, saying that Enoch said the same thing.

A (7:26)

Now I'm going to ask a question, but you don't have to answer it. Do you think we're close to the fulfillment of all of these things?

B (7:36)

We are definitely getting there, yes. They're not in Enoch, but there's some other manuscripts in the Dead Sea Scrolls that give us a clear indication of the generation or the jubilee in which these things occur.

A (7:51)

And yeah, lay those out a little bit for our audience.

B (7:56)

Well, as far as the last generation to occur, the last generation on the Dead Sea scroll calendar begins March of 2026 and is a 50 year period. So not my opinion, but the opinion of the Dead Sea Scrolls is that most of the prophecies that we're interested about will actually occur sometime after March of 2026. So in the next five, 10, 15 years, whatever, we've got a lot of them though. We've got the Gog Magog invasion. The problem with Damascus, incidentally, there's a specific prophecy in the Dead Sea Scrolls about what's going on in Damascus now that actually dates when it's over and what the outcome is. So it'll be really interesting to see what happens in the next couple of years.

A (8:40)

So you're saying that very, very close to something and the something is still a matter of opinion, perhaps.

B (8:53)

Well, the Rapture is in there somewhere, but there's just a lot of other things. And if you think about it, it started with the return of Israel in 1948 rather. And since then we've had all these other prophecies fulfilled, minor ones of course, but still we haven't had lots of prophecies fulfilled in hundreds and hundreds of years. And now all of a sudden, in the last 80 some years, lots of things are happening.

A (9:16)

Exciting times. I'm glad I'm alive at this period of time and for the very reasons that Ken mentions. We find little verses that used to lie sort of dormant and suddenly they're coming to life in this period of time. By the way, I want to mention that we publish a magazine called the Prophecy Watchers and occasionally Ken contributes an article. We appreciate that, and here's how you can get your subscription to the Prophecy Watcher.

C (9:53)

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A (12:47)

Well, we're back with Ken Johnson. The famous basement scholar. Does all his work down there. Closes the door, goes down the stairs, and nobody ever sees him again until he comes out with a book. At least that's like the way I'd like to visualize.

B (13:04)

That's a nice legend.

A (13:04)

Yeah, Mick's a great legend. Where should we go from here? A lot of people are not familiar with your work. In other words, what you do is take ancient, various writings that were written in the ancient days and around the time of Christ and you translate these things and you've come up with some amazing discoveries.

B (13:32)

Yeah, there's some really interesting things in there. Like for instance, in the Book of Enoch, it talks about the fallen angels that's quoted in Genesis 6 about how they did genetic tampering pre flood and that was wiped out. And it gives us a warning of things that would happen in the future. It's supposed to come back. And interesting thing about it, there's actually two fragments of a Dead Sea scroll that not only corroborates that story, but it actually tells you how they created the Nephilim. And you're thinking if it's fiction, it'd be like some medieval type text. But for those of us today that know how genetics work, you read these ancient scrolls and if it actually happened, that's about the only way it would have happened. So there's no way they would have accidentally known about the DNA and the genetics. Which means to me, that's just proof that the Book of Enoch is correct.

A (14:23)

Now, what are some of the ancient scrolls that you've looked at? I know you've looked at several groups of very ancient writings. What time period were they originated in? What are some of them called?

B (14:37)

Well, the Dead Sea scrolls are between 100, well around the time of Christ, some of them, but basically between 100 to 300 BC. And we've got fragments of the Book of Enoch, Jubilees. We've got all sorts of other things that are just scrolls of prophecy, some of which are quoted in the New Testament. We didn't realize they were quoted until we had the texts. And then we've done translations of like the Book of Gad the Seer.

A (15:07)

The Book of Gad the Seer.

B (15:09)

Now that's David's.

A (15:11)

Let's go into that a little bit.

B (15:12)

Yeah, that's David's seer or prophet. So most of us, if you go back and read Chronicles and Kings, you've got David and Nathan. And so David and Nathan, according to the Bible, actually wrote books of prophecy. And we know where they're at. We managed to get a hold of Gad. We are still working on getting a hold of gadgets. Nathan got fragments of it, but it's got some amazing things. The Book of Gad, chapter 14 is a very clear pre tribulational rapture idea, among other things. And then chapters one and two tells us about how this mystery Babylonian system develops. In the last.

A (15:49)

Talking about a chapter one that actually mentions. You think maybe somebody else doesn't think so. If you had a discussion with people who say, oh, Ken, you're wrong, this is not talking about the rapture, kind of.

B (16:04)

Yeah. Some of my Jewish friends think it means something else. Chapter 14. They tend to agree with me though, in chapters one and two about this mystery religion, because it pinpoints Rome and Saudi Arabia, which is, you know, it develops between Roman Catholicism and Islam. And basically Gad talks about the idea that it's not those two religions that are the problem, but factions of those religions that come together to form the mystery religion, which would be, we would probably call that Chris Lam. So that develops somewhere toward the end time.

A (16:38)

In other words, a kind of apostasy.

B (16:41)

Yeah.

A (16:42)

And of course, prophecy in the New Testament mentions a growing apostasy at the end. Very, very specific apostasy, as a matter of fact, which finally falls into the hands of one man, of course, called the Antichrist.

B (17:00)

Right.

A (17:00)

So we're looking at two parallel developmental lines. In other words, the things that you're looking at and the New Testament run parallel.

B (17:11)

Yeah. There's no contradictions that I've ever found in Dead Sea Scrolls. And church fathers, early church fathers with the New Testament theology, as a matter of fact, they run perfectly together.

A (17:23)

You have. And I want to come back to this written the Book of Enoch. And what you have done here is you've done a modern translation of it. Now, what did you. How did you proceed with that?

B (17:38)

Well, I took R.H. charles version, which is because I can't read any Gez. You know, we have like 25, 26 letters. There's 20, 24 in Hebrew. In Guez, there's over 200 letters. They have each letter for a vowel consonant combination. So I'm not even touching that. But he had done that, got that translation done. And then I used the Church Fathers and what I saw from other scrolls to make a modern English translation. The front part doesn't make that much difference, but when you get in the back with the extra prophecies, those are delicate enough that you have to have the right words or you don't understand what you're reading.

A (18:16)

Well, the book fell Open to page 70, and it says, a fragment of the Book of Noah. What do you make of that?

B (18:26)

The Dead Sea Scrolls talk about the Testaments of the patriarchs and the idea that Adam through Aaron wrote a last will and Testament. They all did, and they interpreted the Old Testament by the patriarchs, just like we interpret the Old Testament by the New Testament. And either one gets you the same theology. It talks about the Messiah being God incarnate, coming to die for our sins. Some of the texts actually mention when he comes on our calendar, it comes out to be 32 A.D. it's the reason why we put together the Dead Sea Scroll Calendar and other things, because it helps get at least a range of dates, if not set dates.

A (19:06)

Yeah, let's go ahead and talk about this since you brought it up. The ancient Dead sea scroll calendar, 59, 51am that doesn't mean am like in the morning.

B (19:22)

No. And a Monday, which is the year

A (19:24)

of the world, on a Monday, the year of the world. Now, this is interesting. How did you come up with this? And where do you.

B (19:32)

They're all in the Dead Sea Scrolls. For the longest time, we couldn't figure out how the leap system worked. And then we finally figured that out. The guys at the University of Bareland and Tel Aviv are the ones that figured that one out. But basically, it's a really neat calendar. It's very consistent, and you're able to instantly know when things happen in the Old and the New Testament because it'll tell you it's Passover, and five days later, something happened. And you'll know the exact day of the week, exact date when something occurred. And it actually fills in the gaps In a lot of things. Plus the prophecies.

A (20:05)

Ken Johnson, the man who studies where other people don't. That's the way I like to describe him. And I'm glad you're good at that, because a lot of people would say old languages. Sitting down in a room somewhere and translating this, you know, I don't think I could do that. Maybe I don't even want to do it because it would take a lot of time and a lot of study. But that's right down your.

B (20:33)

It's tedious, but when you're very, very curious, it just bugs you until you figure it out. That's just the way I am.

A (20:41)

That's the way you're put together.

B (20:42)

Yeah.

A (20:43)

And I am glad you are, because the ancient book of Enoch. I found the book of Enoch years ago in an older translation, and I love this because it's so readable, and it fits right in, I think, with a study of Bible prophecy. If you remember that it is not divinely inspired scripture.

B (21:09)

Right.

A (21:09)

Only the Bible is that. Speaking of which, how do you address the ancient manuscripts when you really get down to them and study them and so forth? And in the back of your head you say, well, this is not divinely inspired stuff. And yet the men who wrote these things were godly men.

B (21:31)

Right. There's a. The basic teaching, according to the scrolls and the early church fathers is that the Bible is made up of 66 books, and that is the canon. So that's what's supposed to be public for everyone to read. And we're not supposed to put extra stuff in the Bible. That being said, there are other books of prophecy, other books of genealogy, history that would help explain a lot of things, but they're not necessary. What's necessary is the Old and the New Testament so that you know Jesus and that he was crucified and that we have salvation through him.

A (22:06)

Very good. Ken is one of the most interesting conversationalists I know. And then he's put out some very excellent work. And let's pause here and tell you how you can get a hold of Ken's work.

C (22:25)

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A (25:40)

And we're back with Ken Johnson. Where do we go from here? The people who are sharing this conversation with us are thinking to themselves, okay, I'd like to study this. I'd like to study what Ken is talking about. Where do they start?

B (25:57)

Make sure that you understand the New Testament well and the Old Testament prophecies, and then begin to look at some of the other things, what we've put on our website, for instance, or what prophecy watchers has. Things like the Book of Enoch, Book of Gad, the Seer, Dead Sea Scrolls. We've got a book called the Prophecies in the Dead Sea Scrolls. And just look at them. No matter what you look at, though, you want to compare it to the Old and the New Testament and use that as your rule and guide of faith. If it seems to contradict, it's either translated poorly, then tampered with, or is just complete fiction. So you always want to judge it by the Bible.

A (26:31)

I'm looking at 2 Thessalonians, 2, 3. Let no one deceive you by any means, for that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the Son of perdition. I think everybody's read that verse, comment on that verse in the context of the ancient Book of Enoch.

B (26:55)

Well, there's an interesting thing in there. The whole idea that the Rapture happens. And in that particular verse, it talks about the catching away, or it says literally in the Greek, it's being caught out of the midst of. And it's an interesting phrase because when you read it in Greek, it's like, I don't understand what caught out of the midst is. Paul was expecting us to know what it is. And the Book of Enoch talks about when he was raptured. You know, he was translated, didn't see death. According to Hebrews, when that happens, it mentions that he was taken out of the midst, which means he left the planet. So he was raptured. So the phrase taken out of the midst refers to a rapture. We actually have an early church father who's writing in 2:40, Victor, he's writing a commentary on the Book of Revelation. And he mentions. He quotes Paul with that passage and says, this is the church being taken out of the midst of the earth. So it's the Rapture. And so we have three different witnesses for that kind of a thing, meaning it's a phrase and becomes an idiom. So it's interesting that the book of Enoch actually helped us to understand that.

A (28:04)

Been talking to Dr. Ken Johnson, a good friend of our ministry and a good friend of myself. And always great talking to you.

B (28:14)

Always great to be here.

A (28:15)

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C (28:20)

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