A (4:28)

Yeah, I 100 concur. I think that's good. I like what Michael Heiser said on that. His book the Unseen Realm is really good. If anybody wants to get that. I highly recommend that. Yeah, deception 100 in Matthew 24, that's the first thing that Jesus tells the disciples when they're asking, hey, what's going to be the sign of your coming the end of the world? And he says, take heed that no man deceive you, for many shall come in my name saying I'm, I'm Christ. And I think that's honestly what you could sum the entire UFO phenomena up to in just a couple words is that it's a satanic deception. It's introducing a false Christ or false Christs and I think they're definitely, yeah, there is a line between burying your head in the sand and yet not going so deep into this stuff that you end up, you know, defiling your mind, defiling your conscience. And there was a pastor that once said that there's more in the Bible than just the plan of salvation. There's more to the Bible than just, you know, how to get to heaven. Because I know, I know there's a, there's a saying out there that says, you know, the Bible doesn't tell you how the heavens go, it tells you how to get to heaven. Of course, that would be. The focus is salvation, the gospel. And ultimately the focus of the book would be Jesus Christ himself, the king, his kingdom. But there's a lot in the Bible about God's universe and God's setup and the beings that are playing around in God's universe and even, even just in the general location of different things. I know we know that, you know, heaven is on the sides of the north through the Bible promotion doesn't come from the east, the west or the south, but God. And it leaves out one. And it tells you where it's coming from. It's coming from the north, from God. So there's a lot in the Bible that we can, that we can divulge and that we can understand. And I think as long as we have the Bible as our, as our lens, which reviewing all this stuff through, then we won't be, we won't be part of the deception. And we can not, as you said, not leave out parts of the Bible, not be scared of parts of the Bible and cover everything, but yet understand that we should be simple concerning evil, that we don't go too far. So I guess as an example, I don't cover, like the Epstein files on, on this channel. I don't go too deep into stuff like that just because it's, it has a very defiling nature. I don't want to be putting that stuff in people's minds. But as far as the UFO phenomena goes, it's 100% linked to the Bible. And like you were talking about deception. And that will be a mark of the end days. And you said potentially disclosure could be this year, which I agree with. I think it's coming very, very fast. In the 1960s with the Condon Report done by Boulder, Colorado, that university there was kind of starting to come up and then it got quickly quelled by the Air Force and different other groups there and kind of quieted. And really there's not Been a whole lot, at least from the government or at least from, you know, any official source on this phenomenon. UFOs, UAPs, as they're now called. Until recently, in about 2019, I saw an article saying, 2019, the year that UFOs became a reality. And just since then, it just seems like year after year after year, we're just amping up and amping up. And now we had, you know, David Grush come out. We've had Jake Barber last year, who did that interview with Ross Coolhart on News Nation and revealed the, you know, crash retrieval, the legacy program. And, and I think the most important thing about all this and why Christians should pay attention to this phenomena is that it's really closely tied to the Bible. And you can't really get away from Uology and this subject without running into Genesis 3:15 with the seed of the serpent, Genesis chapter six, everything that goes on in that chapter. And there, there's a link there for sure between the UFO phenomena and a New age religion that will be brought in by these things, I believe. So I think it's very important that Christians are at least somewhat aware of this and understand the narrative and understand

B (8:22)

what's coming, oh, 100%. And it's interesting, too, that, you know, with just last week, Obama's being. He's being. He's on a podcast, and the podcaster asks him, you know, are aliens real? And, you know, he, he, he says, well, they're real, but I haven't seen him. And, and then he kind of joked a little bit about, you know, Area 51. But then a couple days later, he comes out and kind of backtracks a little bit. But yet it's interesting that what later, then, subsequent to that, Trump, I actually have a quote from him in on his Truth Social. He says, well, two things. He responded to what somebody asked him about what Obama said, and he said, well, hey, Obama's revealing classified information. He goes, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna declassify it so that Obama doesn't get in trouble. So it was interesting that he said that. And then he said, based on the tremendous interest shown, I will be directing the Secretary of War and other relevant departments and agencies to begin the process of identifying and releasing government files related to the alien and extratextual life, unidentified aerial phenomena, and UFOs, and any and all other information connected to these highly complex but extremely interesting and important matters. God bless America. So that was just recently. And so there's been rumors that when they are just rumors that or maybe wishful thinking that he will come out and provide disclosure. Maybe this coming Summer in July, July 8th is, is the 79th anniversary of the Roswell crash and retrieval. So, and, and even it was his. Do I believe it was his daughter or somebody connected with him where they asked, you know, a lot of his, his family have their own podcast and they asked about dad, and I think it was Trump Jr's wife. And she said, oh, yeah, he's got a speech ready to go for disclosure. We just don't know when he's going to share it. So I thought that was interesting, too. So I, I think the, the question comes down to. And, and I'll, I'll say it is. People will ask, you know, do you believe that there are other beings, you know, physical beings, aliens, you know, living in some other star system? I don't know. Even if there was, does that, does that disrupt my faith? No, the Bible doesn't. This is what, this is important for Christians. The Bible does not say there isn't those. It doesn't say there are. And so it's silent. So one of the favorite verses, I've been talking a lot about this. I gave a presentation recently, actually, in Hawaii, and one of the verses that I share with scripture is Deuteronomy 29:29, which says the secret things belong to the Lord our God, but those things that he has revealed to us belong to our children and that we should obey Him. So God has not revealed everything to us in the Bible. I mean, the Bible says nothing about, you know, the eight planets. It says nothing about, you know, microbiology specifically. So it says nothing about other galaxies in, in, in very specific ways or any other things that we've learned. So the Bible, The Bible gives us the most important information that we need, which is salvation, for sure, but it's not, it's not an exhaustive textbook on all different fields of, of knowledge or science or, or just inquiry. So I reserve the right, and I think God reserves the right to say if I created something out there, that's my business. Now, the, the question ultimately comes down to if, if a ship shows up on the, on the White House lawn or an alien walks out. Oh, whatever. Okay, that, that'll be certainly very fascinating. It would be, it'd be, it certainly would shatter a lot of paradigms. But my question, and this is what I always say, is that I'd go up to this person if they were able to speak in our language, and, and I'd say, listen, I got one question that's it. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the son of the living God, and salvation is found only through him, yes or no? Because, you know, it's like in Matthew 16 when Jesus said to, to the apostles, who do men say that I am? And then he goes on and say, who do you say that I am? And then of course, Peter says, you're the son of the living God, you know, you're the Messiah. So the ultimate question is, I don't want to hear anything else that they say. I don't care about their message. Yes or no, do you believe that Jesus, I don't care where you're from. And they might say, well, we've never heard of that. Well, let me share the gospel with you, okay? Because what I'm not interested in them in is them providing any other information that would contradict what the Bible says. So if they say, well, yeah, but let me tell you what you might not know is that, you know, yeah, God exists and he did this over here, you know, blah, blah. And I'd say again, the question is, you know, is Jesus the Messiah? Because he's the Lord of the entire universe, not just Earth. So I think as, as this thing continues to unfold, we need to ask, or we need to at least listen, what is the messaging? And you, you said it. The new age religion has been around a long time and they have, they have their own messaging of what aliens are, what UFOs are. And you know, they're here to help, they're here to provide. And some of them even say that they basically birthed us, you know, millions of years ago. So see, again, that's a message. That's where the deception comes. So to me, Jesus is Lord, is the Bible the word of God? And if they say no, then they're out.

A (14:29)

Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think I probably have a slightly different view on just the Bible in general. I think there's a lot of answers in the Bible. I just don't think we have the mind or have done the studying to come across them. So I definitely believe that the Bible is an authoritative textbook on a lot of fields and that, you know, if we view anything through the lens of the Bible, we can get the right answer. Not that it's going to go into, like you said, microbiology, not going to go into specifics and stuff, but it's going to give us the knowledge we know or give us the knowledge that we need rather to be able to make a judgment call on anything we come up with. And try it by the word of God, and if it disagrees, and we can, you know, put to the side and say, no, I don't believe that, or, no, that's not true, because we have the. We have the final authority. So I think there's a lot of answers in there that maybe we just haven't found yet. But for sure, you know, there's a lot of, you know, the Bible talks about that like, you know, it's the glory of God to conceal a matter, and it's. Was it the honor of kings to search it out? Probably misquoting that, but something along those lines. So we're supposed to be searching that. We're supposed to be looking for it. Try to break down everything you said and go through everything. A few questions for you, I guess, would be, do you think Trump would be in any danger by disclosing this? I know this is kind of a rabbit trail, but jfk, there's a lot of rumors that he received word about some of the stuff going on in the southwest United States and different of the things that the CIA had and some of the files and some of the work they were doing in the southwest underground, you know, deep underground bases, that sort of thing. Word leaked out and he got a hold of that. And it's rumored that 10 days before his assassination, he ordered the CIA to release files on UFOs. And of course, he was shot in Dallas, Texas in 1963, just within 10 days. I think it's no coincidence as well that the CIA were founded directly after Roswell, New Mexico, July 1947. You said July 8, right? That was your Roswell crash. And then it was like September 10th or something like that, literally just two months later that the CIA became an organization. And it seems like they're very much at the forefront of covering this stuff up and have a. Have a connection to it. Not to get too conspiratorial, but I think there's definitely something to that. So I wonder if Trump is. Is in any danger of that and. Or if maybe the time's right now and they're not really worried about this stuff because it seems like a lot of, you know, you just mentioned Obama and Trump. A lot of big figures are starting to slowly get, you know, more and more open about this. It's almost like. It's almost like we're being set up for it, I think, and that the information is gradually being leaked out to get everybody, I guess, comfortable and used to the idea, or at least want an answer. So their eyes are kind of, you know, pointing in that direction, so to speak. What are your thoughts on that? Do you think there's a, think there's any danger with that, or do you think the time is right and we're ready for it?

B (17:24)

Well, the. I don't know. Were you able to see the, that the Age of Disclosure documentary that came out?

A (17:32)

I did not. I did not.

B (17:34)

I, I must have missed out.

A (17:35)

I heard it was very good.

B (17:36)

Yeah, it, it came out just, I think November 20th or something around there and on Prime. Prime video people can get it. I actually highly recommend it. It's, it's a very well done documentary. And I mean, they're interviewing congressmen, they're interviewing senators, Marco Rubio, Secretary of State. Now they have a lot of high intelligence officials, astrophysicists, and, and it really was people in the intelligence field, of course, the many of the whistleblowers that you mentioned, David Grush, Lou Elizondo, there's others that they interview. And it, it's a pretty phenomenal documentary. But the difference, it's interesting because you bring up a great question.

A (18:26)

Let me interject real quick. Are you talking about the Age of Disclosure documentary that came out or the, the big conference that you in LA and Timothy Albarino.

B (18:34)

No, no, no, like the actual documentary that came out.

A (18:36)

Oh, yes, I did watch that. I've seen that twice now.

B (18:38)

Yeah, yeah, me too. So, yeah, we. And then of course, because of that, you know, talking with la, we, we la, had the, the virtual conference. And so, you know, there were several, several speakers that, that spoke about that, but it was, it was primarily based on the, the fact of the Age of Disclosure documentary. And so we, we said, hey, let's, let's, let's do a, let's do a virtual conference on this and talk about it. So the, what's interesting about that is there's a big difference between right now, 2025, in 1963, because a lot has happened, no doubt in, as, as you mentioned in, in, you know, that 60 years. And I don't think the CIA is worried about anything. And now, because why. They've had 60 years to develop a very good system of obfuscation. Because back in the early days, you know, again, if you go from 47 to 63, it's, it's kind of in, it's still in its infancy. And so, but now there's so many special access projects, as you mentioned, the legacy program, there's so many defense contractors which are out of reach of like freedom of information requests. Foia requests. So they have done a very good job now of, of hiding this information even, even going back even as recently as the 80s, which again, the 80s was, you know, 40 some years ago. And some of the stuff that came out with Bob Lazar, you know, he was, he was kind of one of the first whistleblowers. So, but now I don't think they're really worried about at all because in fact, what is Trump going to share? He doesn't have any really classified information. Some of that information, even Marco Rubio in, in the documentary which you saw, talked about how presidents have not been on a need to know basis and they've been limited in even what the President can, can get information on. So I think the CIA and those in the deep state as it relates to this topic, you know, the Department of Energy, the US Air Force, the CIA, no doubt they've done such a good job of being able to move this stuff into ways that can't be found. So in that sense, Trump, I'd be curious to see what information is he really going to get access to that he could reveal now. He could reveal just the, the, the generalities. Well, we're not alone. Okay, well, heck, as you saw in the documentary, we, there's several, several intelligence officials, Tim Gallaudet, who's a PhD admiral, others who have been in the Defense Department who have worked very well, like personally with these things said, we're not alone. We're not alone. We're not alone. That was a little montage that they had. And so in that regard, it's almost as if, if Trump came out, it'd be like, oh, wow, it would hit the news for a week and then what people would be like, yeah, whatever, let's go watch the movie. Let's go watch the new Steven Spielberg movie, which is called the Age of this or the Day of Disclosure. So that's of course a fictional representation. But it's interesting, you have this, this documentary, the Age of Disclosure, released November and then now you have Steven Spielberg's coming out in, I believe it's in June of this year, so called the Day of this. Yeah, June 12th. So you think, okay, so that I don't think Trump's really at risk of being killed because I don't know if, even though, even when he said here he's going to direct, you know, he's in his, his thing, I'm going to direct all of the, anybody agencies to begin to reveal this information is related to the exposure. Well, some of that as we Know, even with, as you mentioned, the Epstein files, there certainly a lot of the Epstein files had redaction to it. So with, in this regard there's going to be things that are redacted which are national security situations. So I, I, I see a big difference between 1963 and 2026 as it relates to the, the risk of death for sure.

A (22:52)

Like you said, We've had 60 years of a cover up and a setup at the same time to where everybody's, everybody's ready for this. And as far as the nature of the phenomena goes, I know there's a lot of debate amongst Christians now, there's a lot of debate amongst ufologists whether this is a physical reality, whether this is just some sort of interdimensional kind of, you know, apparition type thing. I probably read close to 50 books on the subject now. John Keel, Graham Hancock, John Ballet, Eric Von Daniken. On the Christian side, of course, you know, Ellie Marzulli, Stephen Quayle, Tom Horn, Chris Putnam, and not that by any means an expert on it, but I think it's, I think there's a lot of evidence that this is more than just a, you know, kind of a spooky apparition type thing if there's a lot of physical evidence. And I think the, the crash retrieval, the legacy program would indicate this. There are physical craft or crafts rather that are crashing, there are bodies. There is of course, you know, reverse engineering that's probably going on. And I think Bob Lazar worked on a project like that. Was that the Philadelphia experiment that he worked on and with the, or is that something else?

B (24:04)

It was something else using that.

A (24:05)

Okay. Yeah. But you know, he said that he worked on them and that he kind of knew how they worked and stuff. So as far as the nature goes, what do you, what exactly do you think we're dealing with and how corporeal of a reality do you think this is? Because you mentioned earlier, you know, you know, spacecraft lands on the, on the White House lawn and they, and they get out. Do you think a lot of the Christians who've just been chalking this up to, oh, this is just, you know, this is just a spiritual thing, it's not really real. These are apparitions, you know, this is us seeing into another dimension or whatever. This is just demons. Do you think that'll take them by surprise when they see how, I guess, physical of a reality it is. Of course you mentioned before as well that, you know, we don't know if there's life on other planets. Or life in outer space. I don't necessarily believe that there's maybe life on other planets. I think Genesis would probably point towards the Earth being a special creation, and the sun and the moon and the stars were made for the Earth, and that the Earth was God's unique thing. It was his footstool. Of course, as we see in, I think, Psalms or Proverbs. But as far as extraterrestrial life in general, I mean, Genesis 6 would indicate that. And though they may not be little green men from Zeta Reticuli or little gray men from Zeta Reticuli, you know, it's. It's extraterrestrial life. And, I mean, I think it probably could maybe not be proven, but there's good evidence that when the sons of God, the fallen angels came down, Genesis 6, that they came down in physical, like, bodies, that there was a. There was a physicality to the phenomena. And of course, all the ancients believe that the. That the gods walked among men for, you know, like, a thousand years. They called it the Golden Age, or Zep Tepe. The first time. The. The empire of the gods, they had many different names for. And of course, it's universal. It's all over the world. This, you know, the flood myth, the. The deities that they all believed in, they all kind of match. So I guess my question is, is how physical of a phenomenon do you think this is? And do you think that it's a little dangerous to try to just chalk this up to, oh, this is just, you know, this is just spooky stuff? This is just, you know, the devil's world kind of thing?

B (26:17)

Yeah, it was interesting because that's exactly where it's very logical, because. Logical question, because all of us, no matter what, are going to have to engage with that exact question. So in the. In the documentary, Lou Elizondo, Jay Stratton, they discuss very specifically how they were approached by Christians in the intelligence field in. In an echelon of the intelligence field. And they were told, hey, you need to stop investigating this, because this is. It's all demonic. And so the. Their response was, okay, we. We're not a. We're not trying to be against your religion, but, you know, the. The comment was, this is all demons. And so they were like, well, we're. We're picking up physical craft on radar and other forms of physical detection. Right? So that. That's what it comes down to me is I think, and I address this in my presentation, where I just say, that's. That's lazy. It's lazy just to throw a label of it's, it's demonic now because now if you want to say it's evil, I'm not opposed to that. But let's use, let's use specific words. A demon is different than, than an angel. A demon is different than a cherub. A demon is different than a fallen angel. There's, there's, there's a hierarchy of non human intelligence beings in the Bible. And so I, I go through many of them and I actually did a whole, I did like a 12 week study one time, 12 week presentation. It was, it was, I guess that would be, it was about 15 to 18 hours of, of lectures on specifically the, the non human beings of the Bible and Old Testament, New Testament, Hebrew, Greek. It's very, the, the language is, the language is very important when you get through. And so you know, people can check that out if they go to prophecy watchers.com unseen realm. I go through all of them. I'll have all the notes there, all the videos are there. They can check it out. So it's, it's that. What I'm saying is it's not just oh this is this, this quip answer. No, I mean again, 18 hours of information about all these different beings unpacking it. It's, it's very complicated. Okay. Or complex is a better word. So the question then is to have these Christians simply just throw a demonic label. I think was very, was very naive because again, demons aren't picked up on radar. Demons are very specific in the Bible. They, they are, they are spiritual beings, unclean spirits that are non physical. It's non corporeal, non material, however you want to say it. But what I show in my presentation is that angels in fact are physical. As physical as you and I. You mentioned Genesis 6. We see the same thing in second Peter 2, 4 and, and, and Jude 6 that these, these beings, these angels in, in the Old Testament they're called sons of God. See again here you have a distinction between the, the Old Testament in Hebrew, the, the Baneja Elohim, where in the New Testament Peter and Jude just throw a label of angel on them. But an angel again in the Old Testament is different. It's a function. It's, it's, it's a, it's a job. It's an occupation rather than a being. But the New Testament is less precise. Not, there's a contradiction. They just speak of a different. But you have these sons of God coming down and mating with human women. And we also know and this is what I show, I'll just be really brief on it is that when Jesus appeared after his resurrection, he appeared to the disciples and they, they thought he was a ghost cat like Casper the ghost, you know. And he says, he said, look, look, touch me. A ghost or a spirit does not have flesh and bone like I have. Here you go. And they still didn't believe him. And so what was his proof? He's his proof. In order to show that he was not just Casper the ghost, he said, do you have any food? And he ate. So when he ate in front of them, that was his evidence to show them that he was not just a ethereal Casper. Okay, well, I like, I mean Jesus gave some great theology. He's the son of man, he's the Son of God. He can, he can, he can do it. Well, in Genesis 19 we see angels showing up. And what are they doing? They're eating, they're eating with Lot, they're eating with Abraham. So in my mind, I think this idea that, that angels are just these spiritual beings that have no physicality or capability, which is one, one reason why they would argue that Genesis 6 couldn't happen, is because they're spirit beings. Well, again, not according to Jesus's theology and the biblical theology. So all that to say when I think that there, there is some level of, there is angels have physicality. Now how that exactly is working as it relates to the UFO phenomenon, I'm not really sure. I don't think anybody knows. The Bible doesn't specifically give us the, all the details about UFO craft, but this is what we know that, well, this is what at least is reported. Okay, that according to these officials, and it's been going on for a long time, like Jay Stratton again, he's involved in this. He says, look, the, the Legacy program, not just American intelligence agencies, but others military and others countries, they have been dealing with non human physical craft, non human physical biologics. And they have bodies and they have these, these ships have crashed. So that brings up a whole host of questions. You can't just throw a demon label because demons are not physical. So where are these, where, where is this metal coming from? I mean, La Marzulli has been to the crash field and at Roswell and he's found metal. He's had it tested. It was, it was anomalous. So that metal had to come from somewhere. Did it come from another planet where there's metal? I, I again see, nobody knows those answers, at least in the public, but we can do a lot of guess, but simply just to throw a label on it, I think is pretty naive. But on the one hand, I'll admit I don't have all those answers. And the Bible does give us a framework though, that these fallen angels are physical and they could be breeding grays that step out and walk, that they show up. There's a craft. And it's interesting if you. Some of the reports that come out about these craft that have been recovered, they, they are designed for small grace. Even the, the entrances, this, the seats inside of them, they're, they're. Well, I'm pretty small, but normally a large person, six foot, it's not designed for them. So it's designed to physically adapt to that type of person, that type of grace. So they land on there, they come out. What's the Christian going to do? That's. It depends on the Christian. Have they prepared their mind for it? If the message is, hey, I know what you've been told is that there's no other beings and the Bible says there's no other beings, the Bible doesn't say anything about it. But if they claim the Bible says there's no other beings, then they're going to come in and say, see, the Bible was incorrect. And that's the key.