← Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton
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Daryl Cooper
All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break humans.
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Scott Horton
Negotiate now end this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present and future. This is Provoked, guys. Welcome to show it is Provoked. I'm Scott Horton and he is Daryl Cooper. I want to thank Dan Smots for that great intro. Adam, swap out Adolf Hitler for that crazy singing censorship lady. Although I spaced out and I didn't see. I think that was the right version that just played with her.
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Daryl Cooper
Right?
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Scott Horton
Did you see it? Yeah. So, yeah, Dan Smarts is absolutely the best at that kind of stuff. And that's a dissident media. If anybody Wants to hire him for dollars to produce things like that for you. That's where you find him. But he is martyr made. The great martyr, maid, historian, long form podcaster. And I got a bunch of jobs. But you know, I guess the most important one now is I'm the director of the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and freedom@scotthortonacademy.com. maybe we'll talk about that a little bit more.
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Daryl Cooper
Yes.
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Scott Horton
Speaking of which, this is our show.
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Daryl Cooper
What I got today?
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Scott Horton
Oh, you got it all right.
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Daryl Cooper
Can you. Can't make that out. Scott Horton Academy. My official little notebook here, ready to roll.
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Scott Horton
Sweet. Lifetime member. Got the AI camera positioning, emphasis on a. More than the eye there, but yeah, cool. That's what you get.
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Daryl Cooper
You get.
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Scott Horton
You get a, a little notepad and a pen and you also get the lifers. Get a copy of. Enough already. What's going on there?
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Daryl Cooper
I gotta get a normal camera.
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Scott Horton
My second book, time to End the War on Terrorism, comes free with the lifetime membership at the academy. And it's long form courses. Me and the great James Bovard and Ramsey Barud on Israel, Palestine, Bovard on Everything under the Sun, Ramsey Brood on Israel, Palestine, Bill Buford on how we lost every war since 1945. And we got great ones coming up, including very soon. Here we're going to have Adam Francisco, who is a Lutheran scholar debunking Christian Zionism. And then my course on the new Cold war with Russia. Basically the. The case I make and provoked the book. That course will be coming out in December in time. So we're adding lifers and, and yearly memberships all the time. And you know what? Go ahead. And just because I just got home, I literally just got in the door from doing Tim Pool's show last night. So let's just use promo code Tim. For anybody watching the show tonight wants to sign up for the Academy. Use promo code Tim, and you'll get 10% off. And hell, that goes for anybody watching who is tuning in because they saw me on Tim Pool's show last night. Same offer still stands from there if you want to deal over at the Scott Horton Academy. But anyway, enough business for now. Let's talk business. It turns out that old Ryan Grimm and reporter who shall not be named for reasons that I have. But Ryan Grimm, the great reporter at Drop Site News, has had four recent pieces on Jeffrey Epstein and new information that has come out about this serial child rapist, convicted criminal and alleged suicide victim, and his ties to a certain Foreign Intelligence Agency. Mr. Cooper, could you Please fill us in. What the hell is going on there, sir?
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, so I've got actually the four headlines right in front of me. I'll just go ahead and read them for everybody who hasn't seen them. Israeli spy Stayed for Weeks at a Time with Jeffrey Epstein in Manhattan. Headline two, Jeffrey Epstein Helped Broker Israeli Security Agreement with Mongolia. Headline three, Jeffrey Epstein and the Mossad. How the Sex Trafficker Helped Israel Build a back channel to Russia amid Syrian civil war. And Jeffrey Epstein helped Israel sell a surveillance state to. Hold on, I got to work on my French here. Ivory coast.
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Scott Horton
Now. Well, I'm sorry, let me think for a second. I'm going to stop on the Russia Syria one. So 15 years ago, during Obama's dirty war for Al Qaeda in Syria, building the caliphate and then destroying it again, it wasn't on my bingo card that deeply involved in those negotiations was Jeffrey Epstein representing Israel's interest in talking with the Russians. Can you tell us more about that one first?
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Daryl Cooper
Well, it makes sense, you know, because one of the things that we know for sure about Robert Maxwell, that's Jeffrey Epstein's partner in crime, Ghisan Maxwell, her father. One of the things we know for sure about him is that one of the primary things that he would do for Israeli intelligence was, you know, he, it's not like he could be a spy. He's like a 350 pound billionaire, famous tabloid mogul guy. You can't go around like in a disguise with glasses and nose and a mustache or something. Right. So that's not what he was up to. He wasn't doing that kind of thing. What he would do is things like we're talking about right here, the headline you just mentioned, you know, the middle of the Cold War, Israel needs to meet with the Soviet Union. They can't send their, you know, they're like one of their government ministers to go do it on an official visit because that's going to raise some red flags. It's going to have us calling them, asking them what it's about, etc. And so Robert Maxwell, who had a lot of connections behind the Iron Curtain, would help broker those things and set them up behind the scenes, sometimes relay messages, things like that. And it looks like from, you know, that story there that Jeffrey just kind of picked that up right where Maxwell left off. So it makes a lot of sense.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, well, and so for those not familiar, you have done a lengthy series on Jeffrey Epstein and what all is known about him with current information as of a couple of years ago now. But so you have a deep background on the story here, a deep basis of understanding the whole context of the thing. So first of all, can we talk about. Exactly like what would you characterize him as? So if we're talking about the CIA, you would say, I think he's not a CIA officer. Right. But he's a CIA agent or an asset.
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Daryl Cooper
Asset.
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Scott Horton
Right.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
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Scott Horton
Most people, when they say CIA agent, they mean like FBI agent. They mean CIA officer. Right. But actually a CIA agent is more like somebody who's being used by a CIA officer either whether they know it or not.
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Allie Jackson
Right.
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Scott Horton
But anyway, so in this case, that's this guy. Right? That's what you're saying about Maxwell and about him. That, well, they're in business, they're doing this and that, and so they can run, but it wouldn't be like non official cover. It's a lower rank than that because it's really not a direct employee of the system, but just somebody doing a favor. They'll get their kickback later or something like that.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, or just doing it out of patriotism, know, not for the countries that those two guys were citizens of, but you know, for the, for the country that they felt the most affinity with. And you know, like the intelligence agencies need people like this, you know, people with kind of a foot in both worlds. People who can connect them to places that again, they can't send an official employee to go meet with the guy. You know, so they're very useful in that sense. You know, one of the things too. Is it like one of the things I mentioned on, on the Tucker show when I we had our three hour conversation about Epstein was that I have my doubts. I'm not saying that this definitely did not happen, but just with the information we had, I have my doubts about the story that he was running, you know, a blackmail, Sexual blackmail operation on behalf of Israeli intelligence simply because. Well, you have a good example here. Like, it just seems unlikely to me that they're going to mix the guy who carries out this kind of stuff for them with somebody who does something like that, you know, and there were just other things like the fact that, you know, you can't exactly threaten somebody with blackmail for sleeping with an underage girl in your Manhattan penthouse. You know what I mean? Like that would out you as a, you know, that'd be a problem. And so like if he was doing that, and there are a lot of indications that maybe he was engaged in sexual blackmail, that that might have been something he was doing, you know, for himself. Like on the side or for other interests, organized crime interests, maybe, who knows? But not necessarily person that calls him.
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Scott Horton
Up and says, hey, guess what? We have pictures of that aren't necessarily obviously directly connected to him. His job is just getting them laid, so to speak, and then it's somebody else's job to extort them later, you know.
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Daryl Cooper
Right, yeah, exactly. And that, you know, again, could have been the case. But what we know for now is that he was absolutely very tied in with the Israeli government and specifically the security services and intelligence agencies over there. We, we know that he, you know, he's apparently like best friends, I guess, with Ehud Barack. I mean, as a, you know, he would. He would stay at Jeffrey's place in New York for long periods of time. Jeffrey was a big investor in a business that Barack and a bunch of tech guys from unit 8200 set up in 2015, I believe. You know, Epstein was on the board of that company, invested several million dollars into it. And so, you know, you take those personal relationships and then you look at these things that, you know, have been confirmed now, the services he was actually performing for, for the state, and you got a guy who's like, unquestionably an asset, you know, and there's a lot of people that have wanted to. Have wanted to just deny that for some reason, like every step of the way, despite a lot of circumstantial evidence. Well, now we have real evidence and, and real confirmation that he was. That he was, you know, very much in cahoots with them.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, so. And I don't know why it matters so much other than just the. My categorization in my own mind, but, you know, there's this book called By Way of Deception by Victor Ostrovsky, the former Assad officer. And he describes a level of asset. I mean, man, I haven't read this book in 15 years or something. Daryl, forgive me, but maybe more than that. Hell, I'm pretty old now. We're having this conversation in the future, aren't we? Yeah, it may. It might have been 20, 25 years since I read that book, but he has a thing in there about, you know, like, you're an officer, you're an agent, you're asset. And then like, you know, one of these levels is kind of more like what. I think the way you described Epstein here was what he called a sionim, which meant someone who was not really directly working for MOD at all, but just a friend of Israel would come to them and say, hey, you're a friend of ours. You have resources. Somebody needs to stay the night at your house tonight or somebody needs to be a ghost employee at your business for six months or somebody needs a little favor. A little favor, you know, here, there, and, you know, some kind of thing. So maybe this sounds. He's a little higher ranking than that. Maybe he's more of an asset. Sign him, if I understand it right, would be maybe one rank lower than him in the way these things are anyway, whatever.
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Daryl Cooper
But clearly we need a little bit of black money for an operation that we can't declare and you know, we'll get it back to you in six months one way or another. That kind of thing. Like, Maxwell definitely did that kind of stuff too.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, and I mean, our Arnon Milchan, the famous Hollywood producer, I mean, at one point he was helping Benjamin Netanyahu steal the crytrons for the nuclear triggers from the United States. And Netanyahu was part of that same smuggling ring when they did that.
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Daryl Cooper
And then, you know, that was also carried out when. Gosh, I can't remember anyway, when the, The. The Israeli intelligence service that was focused on technological espionage. Well, no, so that's like their nsa. This was one that. I don't think it exists anymore, actually. I think they. I think they got rid of it after they got. Because this was the unit that ran Jonathan Pollard at the same time. And I think after that scandal, they got rid of it, rolled it into one of the other agencies or something. Neck Ham is what it was called. I'm sorry, Neck him or Nakam, depending on how the acronyms, you know, pronounce. And it was run by the. A guy, very famous in Israeli intelligence. Guy. I can't, for some reason, I can't remember his name right now, but he. Ari Ben Manashe's book. He was Ari Ben, man. He's. This is a guy who's talked about Epstein and exposed a lot of stuff about Israeli intelligence operations in the United States and Iran Contra. He was very heavily involved in. And his book, actually that guy who was the head of Neckham when Jonathan Pollard and the crytron scandal, stealing scandal was going on with Milchin, he endorsed that book. He said that, you know, he didn't find anything in it that he would take issue with. And, you know, it's a pretty high endorsement. And. And, you know, the reason you can get a guy to say something like that is he ended up quitting the Israeli intelligence services, like in a huff and a puff because he wanted to be appointed head of. The head of The Mossad, but he kind of got outmaneuvered and pushed out, so he was sort of pissed off. But, yeah, I mean, that's. It's. It's really interesting to think about somebody like Arnold Arnon Milchin, you know, and, you know, it brings to mind this. I. I remember when I was working for the DoD back in the day, like, once a year, all of us who had like a secret or top secret clearance, we'd get pulled into a hall and we would get trained on opsec, right? Like, and, and part of the, part of the training was like, internal threats. So people like, what to look for, like co workers suddenly showing a lot of money and like, you don't know why. Just like various things. We're supposed to, I guess, be spying on and reporting on our co workers or something, but they're going through. And part of the training is they're telling us about these real espionage cases that happened in the United States over the years. And they, they list like 8, 9, 10 of them. And out of all of them, there was one case that was like, some guy who just was in debt and needed the money or gambling debt, something like that. All of the rest of them were Chinese American spying for China, Jewish American spying for Israel, it, you know, etc. Etc. And so I raised my hand, nasty, uncomfortable question with like 300 people there. And like, you know, I said, what are we supposed to do with that information? I mean, it seems like you're. You're not talking about this part of it, but obviously, like, this is a part of the story, right? And I give the guy credit because you could tell he was uncomfortable and you did not want that question to come up. But I'll give him credit because he didn't. Everybody, he just said, straight up. He said, we don't take that into consideration. It's like, all right, at least I got my answer. But I mean, it just, you know, it goes to show you, a lot of the time people think of somebody like Epstein or Milchin, a lot of these guys that, oh, they're, you know, they're doing it for money. They're doing it for this. Sometimes it's just. It's just straight up loyalty, you know.
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Scott Horton
You know, Ray McGovern, who. He had been the chief of the Soviet division, the analysts, you know, not a spy officer, but chief of the analysts. And he said, you know, because he's Irish Catholic, he was forbidden from having anything to do with Ireland. They would never ask him, hey, McGovern, you know, a lot About Ireland. He's like, yeah, because I learned it from my grandma. And you don't want to know what I think, know what I mean? Like, that's. America's interests are not best represented through Ray McGovern's analysis of the Irish situation. You get somebody Korean to do that. You have Ray look at Korea. Just because on that level, at least at that time, the idea was, yeah, forget political correctness. We're talking about top secret information here, man. We are not trying to just lose all of it. So you're going to take basic precautions like that. You have even what some jerk would say is a conflict of interest. That's enough. You know, especially just family background. Stuff like that should be just basic. But now tell me more about this guy that you were just talking about, because I know I, I already forgot the name, but I've seen video interviews of this guy before. This, this former spy who. Can you tell us what he has said about Epstein? Because I think as far as maybe he hasn't demonstrated, but he, he claims authoritative knowledge that, oh, it's all true kind of thing, right? Or what?
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, mostly the stuff that he has said with, I guess, enough information, you know, enough information to be something other than just flat innuendo or him kind of speculating. Ari Bin Manashe, okay. And a lot, a lot of the stuff he said with the most detail has to do with operations in the 1980s, Iran Contra, most specifically, because Ben Menashe was heavily involved in that situation. And he says that Epstein was one of the main guys helping move the money around. Because, I mean, you know, this whole thing was illegal, like on every side. And so, you know, we're not supposed to be selling guns to the Contras. We're not supposed to be selling weapons to the Iranians. And so we have to move huge sums of money around. These aren't briefcases being moved under the table. You know, this is massive sums of money that had to get laundered in order to make this whole thing work. And so on the, you know, on the, on the Middle Eastern side over there, they had Anand Khashoggi and a few other brokers who were dealing with the Iranians on their behalf. And they had, over here, they had Maxwell, they had Epstein, maybe they had others too. You know, this is why you find Epstein right after he gets booted out of Bear Stearns for malfeasance. And I think 79 or 80 the next year, we've got him on a plane with Douglas Lease, a weapons broker in the uk the guy who brokered the Al Yamama deal, which is still, I think to this day with Saudi Arabia, the biggest British weapons deal that they've ever, that they've ever signed. And so he's on a plane to the Pentagon with the guy who brokered that deal like a year out. He's like 29, 30 years old. And you, you know, the, the question that comes up when you, when you hear that is like, okay, like, what is this guy doing that's like so special that they couldn't just go get like, you know, an actual 50 year old, like expert dude who's like on the up and up and it's big. You know, they're not using him to do up and up stuff, they're using them as a money launderer. And he's a, he was a very skilled money launderer apparently. And so, you know, intelligence agencies need money laundering the same way that organized crime does. I mean, it's like their lifeblood in a lot of ways, you know, because money is just like, that's how, that's how gangsters get caught is by the, you know, being sloppy with their money. That's how intelligence agencies can get caught very easily as well.
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Scott Horton
And so now, but now this guy has, he addressed the honey pots and said that, yes, he was doing that on behalf of Israel or not?
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Daryl Cooper
You know, he said that. Yeah, so he said that. He has said that Epstein was doing that, but he hasn't, he didn't put it in any terms that, you know, that, that indicated that he had first hand knowledge of it as he did.
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Scott Horton
With the other stuff in the 80s to be checkable.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, he was. Yeah. And he was just sort of saying it as like in a way of like, yeah, he was doing that. Like, everybody knows he was doing that kind of thing. You know, it wasn't like, we don't.
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Scott Horton
Know whether, yeah, we don't know whether he got that from watching this show or whether he's claiming to know that from his access to files, rumors in.
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Daryl Cooper
The intel community, people he's hooked up with. I mean, one of the interesting things about Ben Menashe, because of course the Israelis disavow, you know, he was nobody. All of the things that he's saying are lies, etc. Etc. But one of the, you know, things that happened. So when he, when, when he went public, they said, oh, this guy was, he was just a, he was a translator. He was chained to a desk in, you know, in Tel Aviv. He was, he never Even left the country. Like, this is totally ridiculous. Well, a few years later, this was like 90, 91. He got indicted in the United States for selling. You didn't carry the sale out, like you got arrested beforehand, but for selling three C130 aircraft, military aircraft to the Iranians. And he went to court in federal court. You can actually go on to like the PACER website and read these court documents. Most of them are actually available on there. They're not classified. And he didn't deny doing it at all. He just said, I was doing this, like as an agent to the Israeli government with the knowledge of people in your own government. And they let him off on that defense. They believed him. And, and he made the case. And so, you know, a guy who. The fact that the Israelis would deny that this guy was anything at all, he's just some translator chained to a desk. But then we got him, like involved in selling military aircraft in the United States to Iran, you know, right after Iran Contra. Like, they're lying for a reason, obviously, you know.
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Scott Horton
All right, so more things about this, the one that I read, man, I've been real busy. God dang it. I've had a hell of a week and I had to travel and do the Tim Pool show, which thank you to Tim Pool for having me back on. And he's got such a great group of guys over there, right? Like, I guess he's made such a killing doing this thing. He's got a posse of like 20 dudes and they're all really cool. And he's got a giant skate park, which I need a bigger amp skater. I'll get hurt. But I had a great time hanging out with all those dudes and whatever. But anyway, that's my excuse for not having read all of Ryan Grimm's great pieces on this because even though I should have read them last week or something and been caught up, I did have time to read one. And it was about Ehud, Barack's right hand man, best guy, and how he stayed at Epstein's house in New York for a couple of weeks at a time. And they were very close. And much of the article is really demonstrating how close this guy was to Barack. There's a bit in there about how close he was to Epstein as well. So just another great, you know, example of the, the circles of intelligence season. And now if you want to talk about what's going on there in. I love it, West Africa and Outer Mongolia, man, I want to hear a story about Outer Mongolia. And it just happens to be the Israeli spy, America's most prolific child rapist connection there. So go ahead and tell us that.
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Daryl Cooper
I mean, you know, you know, what it reminds me of actually is back in the 1930s and then later on when, you know, like people started getting arrested during the Red Scare. A lot of these people who got arrested, Alger Hiss, great example, like the most famous one, Alger Hiss, he did not like, think, ah, I got caught being a spy. Like, he did not see himself as a spy. He moved in social circles in the United States that everybody was a fan of the Soviet Union. Everybody thought that, like, this was the wave of the future. And the United States and the Soviets need to figure out like a, you know, we'll come their way a little bit on the whole planned economy thing. They'll come our way a little bit on not murdering millions of people. And like, one of these days, you know, there'll be convergence, like with China and the U.S. when we bring them into the WTO, we'll converge, right? And people like Alger Hiss, like, he thought of himself as sort of just a back channel diplomat, basically. Kind of like, like, like, like Mark Sykes, the guy who did the Sykes Pico agreement in like, because the British have done this for just going back forever. Just some billionaire's son who's sort of a globetrotter, and they just have him going around like making deals, brokering deals. And he's not on anybody's payroll. He's not MI6 or anything like that. He's just sort of a freelance diplomatic. Yeah. And that's how a lot of these fellow travelers and including people like Alger Hiss who got, who got convicted for espionage, like, really saw themselves. They did not think of it that way. And I imagine, you know, somebody like Epstein, somebody like Maxwell, very much kind of saw it that way too. You know, they, they sort of looked at it as. I doubt they even thought they were doing anything wrong, you know, and that's, you know, that's what it reminds me of the most. I mean. Yeah, what like they, the thing that's like gotten me about this whole story the whole time, it's like very hard to explain. And maybe this is why he eventually got taken down. Who knows is that obviously everybody knew what he was up to. Right. As I said in that podcast I did on him, his plane was nicknamed the Lolita Express, and he didn't give it that nickname. Other people did. So people knew what was going on in there. Right.
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Scott Horton
Hey, Cindy McCain, John McCain's wife, who's right now, the head of the world. I'm sorry, which is it? The world humanitarian. I'm screwed up. But the. Help me, man. It's the food distribution for the desperate, starving Gazan people. And she was on stage. John McCain's wife says everybody knew what he was doing. Yeah, but we were all afraid, she says, like, first person. We were all afraid to say anything. Something very close to that.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. Yeah. And so it's strange to try to imagine, like, you know, this is a guy that you would think an intelligence agency, especially a serious one like the Mossad or whoever he was working with over, over in Israel at a given point, that they would just see this guy as, like, too much of a liability in a loose cannon to be working with on these things. But, you know, again, maybe that's why, you know, he didn't live to, to die in a deathbed, you know.
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Scott Horton
Well, yeah, that is true. He didn't die of old age. So. But yeah. So now back to the child abuse, because. Okay, so the most obvious part of the story. Well, wait, one thing first I was going to say was this was, I think Ryan Grimm almost jokes in. In the beginning of one of these articles, right. That just as Alex Acosta, the prosecutor, the federal prosecutor who let Epstein off easy before and who was reported to have told Stephen Bannon who was the source, or this lady reporter. I'm sorry, I forget her name.
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Daryl Cooper
Vicky Ward. I'm sorry, Vicky Ward.
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Scott Horton
Vicky Ward, Exactly. Who said that Acosta said that he was told from above that Epstein belongs to intelligence and that's why. To go easy on him. And just as he's denying that and saying, I never said anything about that, we have all these confirmations and he was deeply tied to Israeli intelligence. Not so much. I mean, not to play down CIA, who knows what CIA connections. But. And maybe, maybe MOD and CIA are just one dang thing. Now.
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Daryl Cooper
I.
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Scott Horton
Although you got to guess who took over who. But. So that's a good. I like that just ironical part, like he picked a bad day to lie under oath again about this, you know, when like, yeah, obviously something clearly was going on here and he. In other words, he was given license. He was allowed to get away with this because of who he was and his connections to covert agencies here.
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Daryl Cooper
So. And think about what you're saying, like right there. Yeah, we're not talking about, like, he was allowed to, you know, skate when he got pulled over with a bag of cocaine and a loaded gun in his car or something. We're talking about raping kids. And they let that slide for years, let dozens and dozens of victims, you know, get hurt this way, when everybody knew what was going on because of just who the guy was and who he was connected to. And I think that's one of the things that, you know, that's really the part of the story that grabs people's attention so much and why people can't let it go. And it has less to do with, you know, what was the actual thing, like, Epstein, like, his specific crimes or whatever? It's more like, wait, what is the culture that prevails, like, among the people making these decisions, that this is considered somehow acceptable or normal at all? Like, when every single person that I know, if they came across a dude, you know, if they got invited to a guy's house, and, you know, there's five underage girls there who are not his daughters or nieces or anything like that, and they come out offering you a massage, and every single dude I know would just beat the hell out of that guy or call the police. And apparently, none of these people ever thought of doing that. You know, not Bill Clinton, not any of these people. And so people just are, you know, they're right to wonder, like, what exactly is the culture that's prevailing among the elites that something like that. You could, like, point to this guy and say this. His plane's called the Lolita Express. We all know what goes on out at his island. Oh, Bill Clinton's going out there again. And it's just all good, you know, and it. At a time when people feel, and have felt for a long time that the ruling class, like, just does not represent the people in any way anymore, seeing that, like, not just in a, you know, in a financial way or when, you know, it's a foreign policy issue or something, something where it's a real moral disconnect between regular people. Because I think everybody, like, watching this right now would say, yeah, that's the same with me. Every single person I know would react with horror to that, and they would not keep their mouth shut, period. Right. And yet you couldn't find a single one of these people to speak out. And it just, you know. Yeah, it heightens that sense that we're not just dealing with people who have, like, their own financial or imperial interests that are different from ours and that they're willing to sacrifice ours for, but that these people are operating on a whole different moral plane than the rest of us.
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Scott Horton
Yeah, of course they are. Look, Bill Clinton is an absolute base, biting rapist murderer but, like, on a personal level, I mean, they're all murderers. But on a personal level, you know the story of Juanita Broderick, and you can follow her on Twitter. And, you know, at the time, they covered this up during his impeachment and Senate trial at the end of 1998 and into the beginning of 1999. And Juanita Broderick's story was he savagely raped her when he was the Attorney General of Arkansas in a Hotel in 1978. He punched her in the head, knocked her out or, you know, dazed her, whatever, punched her really hard, and he raped her. He savagely bit her on the face like an animal while he was raping her. And he mocked her, said, hey, you better put some ice on that, darling, before he left the room. And her friend Tanya something, I believe it was, found her with her pantyhose, ripped, her face all swollen from where he bit her. Everything verified, dude, guilty. And she did not try to press charges or make a thing out of this. And there were rumors about this in Arkansas. Republicans in Arkansas tried to use it against Bill Clinton, try to get her to come forward against him. And she would not do that because she's afraid of the guy. He's the attorney general, and then he's the governor. So she's terrified of this guy and his power, of course. And then she also, like Bill Clinton, lied in the Paula Jones deposition and said, nope, never happened. I don't know what you're talking about. Leave me out of this. But then when they did the Ken Starr investigation, the independent counsel, her son was a lawyer, and her son told her, you can't lie to a federal grand jury, no matter what. You have to tell the truth this time. So she did. But they made it a tiny little footnote in the Star Report. And she was Jane Doe number five, and you don't need to know anything about that. And even though every reporter was clamoring to get an interview with her, and she refused to do it and refused to do it, and finally, she sat down with Lisa Myers of NBC News, and you can watch this on YouTube. She gave the most credible interview you ever saw. She never sued Bill Clinton for a single cent, only for her FBI file because she knew he had the secret police following her around. So she was suing over that. She never sued for a dime. She never saw any money or fame or any kind of thing that you could try to use against her in any way whatsoever. She sat down with Lisa Myers. She gave the interview, and then NBC buried it. Until the Senate trial was over. For weeks and weeks and weeks, they buried it after she put her trust in this woman, and they buried it. And then finally, after the Senate acquittal, it ran in the Wall Street Journal. They went ahead and interviewed her, and it ran there, but on the editorial page, too little, too late. And Bill Clinton got away and then launched a war against Serbia a couple of weeks later to celebrate his victory there. So, yeah. Would Bill Clinton savagely bite a woman on the face as he raped her? Of course he would. Like, would he do that to a child? Well, we don't know. But I don't know, Darrell. Seems like he's already demonstrated his character there. And then, of course, we saw how he was at present as president, you know, never, never satisfied with enough dead corpses on his watch. So, yeah, and then. So wait, now I gotta ask you questions because I'm just ranting about how much I hate Bill Clinton and what a face biting rapist scumbag he is. But the thing of it is this, though. We know a lot, I think, about Epstein's behavior at his place down in Florida. This is where he's getting. He's in Palm beach and he's getting poor, you know, quote unquote, white trash girls from the poor side of, I guess, West Palm beach, and kind of recruiting them to come. And then he's like tricking them. Oh, I'm gonna get a massage. And then he abuses them and this kind of thing. And that's what he got in trouble for. Then we also know he's got this ranch out in New Mexico where Bill Richardson used to like to go. Former UN Ambassador, Secretary of Energy, 911 document stealer and destroyer. And. No, that was Sandy Berger.
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Daryl Cooper
Sorry, Sandy Burger. Yeah.
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Scott Horton
And. But anyway, and then we know he had the. The priciest mansion in all of New York City was given to him by Les. Les Wexner. Right. And then he had the private island. And now I guess the only insight I've gained recently about the island is I think we talked about this. Wired magazine showed a heat map of all the cell phones going to the island during these times and how it was a lot of people and from every fancy pants place like Aspen or Martha's Vineyard, including people from Austin, Texas. And he's traveling. You know, he's tracking these phones as people are going to the helicopter pad. There's like a marina where you can take a boat over there. You can take a helicopter over there. Now, there's a joke on Always Sunny where Danny DeVito goes, yeah, I went to the sex island and everything, but I swear I didn't do anything. We just went snorkeling. And, like, so that's possible, right? That, like, maybe this is just a very private, exclusive resort island where very fancy pants people go and not everybody is in on some satanic ritual child abuse cult. Daryl. Or, or maybe maybe it's not that at all. Maybe just some people are raping kids because they think it's fun and it doesn't have anything to do with worshiping Lucifer, but maybe it does. Like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't want to rule out anything when it comes to you look at how far this has gone. But it, if it looks like if there was a big entrapment operation going on, he's really compromising powerful business leaders and academics and politicians and such. That. That's where it's happening is out at the ranch in New York and in and on the island, which, from what I know, which is very rudimentary about this. It's. It's Palm beach is where we know most about his abuse of girls. So, yeah, the question I'm trying to get to is what do we know about his abuse of girls in New Mexico, in New York, on the island that we know for sure?
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Daryl Cooper
So, not. Not as much, especially the island. I mean, there's things out there are, you know, there's some testimony from some of the victims, like Virginia Roberts, Virginia Giuffre, who talked about her experiences out there, but as far as, you know, the bulk of it, New Mexico, I'm not sure if we actually even have anything necessarily there. We do at his place in. In Ohio. It was actually at Les Wexner's house. Epstein's house was behind Wexner's, and they're both just. It was the first and second largest and most expensive house in the state of Ohio. And at Wexner's place, a girl alleged that. That Epstein raped her in Wexner's house and then the New York place. There are some, you know, there. There are some, I want to say rumors, but things that are a little light on detail. And so, like you said, the West Palm beach place is where we have, I mean, dozens of witnesses, dozens of girls who, you know, independently corroborate each other's stories and everything.
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Scott Horton
So now stories are all about him, or they're about guests over there, too.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, there's a lot of them that tell stories about guests, and a lot of them actually Tell stories about the same guests, like, independently, you know, and they're not like, three girls who became friends, like, through this thing. And these are independent witnesses who are naming people like Alan Dershowitz. And, you know, he's one of the ones. I think he came up three times, three separate witnesses. And you talk about Danny DeVito's line in that show. I mean, Dershowitz literally had a line pretty much like that. He said, yeah, yeah, I gotta. I got a massage from one of those girls, but I kept my underwear on.
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Scott Horton
Yeah. Although I think Goofy or Jufrey or whatever you say her name. She retracted her accusation against.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, this is one of the. Hey, y'. All.
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Daryl Cooper
Problems. I mean, this is. There's a reason that Epstein went and targeted the kinds of girls that he did.
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Scott Horton
You know, strippers say a lot of things, I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
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Daryl Cooper
And especially after they've been sexually assaulted. Like, these girls are very often messed up. You know what I mean? Like, a lot of them have substance abuse problems later. You know, just depression, other. Other issues that make them say one thing one day, one day, another, at the very least. Even if they keep their stories straight, you can kind of point to other things in their life that makes them unreliable or something. And so there's a. You know, there's a reason he targeted people like that. I mean, it's the main one probably being that these are girls who, like, don't have a strong family structure back home with a father and a couple brothers that are gonna come beat the hell out of the guy that's been entertaining their, you know, their Sister and daughter. And the one time that he did do that, there was a couple of sisters. The one time he did actually bring in a couple girls who were. They had a totally intact normal family. That's one of the first things that, like, got the ball rolling. They went home and told their parents what was going on, and they called the police and got that rolling. So they target those type of people on purpose. Sexual predators always do. And, you know, like, the thing I don't get about all the people hanging out with him, because, like, yeah, okay, so I imagine that, like, Epstein was like a very astute reader of human beings. You know, he's a. Like, all con men are. He probably was. Was evaluating every person that he was bringing into his orbit and thinking, yeah, I can't. I can't try this on him. That's not gonna work. I'm just gonna build a relationship with this guy and try to, like, you know, like. And so I'm sure he targeted people based on what he felt were their. Their vulnerabilities. And so some of them weren't involved in all of that. Any of that kind of stuff. But still, I just have to think, like, all of these people that we're talking about, I mean, not some of the academics and stuff, like, you know, they might not, but the people in Washington, the really, the big business elites, people like Alan Dershowitz, these people have assistants and publicists and whatever. And if Daryl Cooper was to call him up and say, hey, I want to do an interview with that. That guy, they'd be like, oh, no, sir, you cannot talk to that holocaust denying, Nazi evil, terrible person Daryl Cooper. It'll be just look terrible for you, but you can go talk to Epstein. It's fine. Like, they apparently either didn't have anybody saying that, you know, this guy is a convicted child sex offender. Maybe just, you don't want that. You know, you don't want to be on his plane. And. And the only. The only.
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Scott Horton
As long as he's not discrediting the war party, it's cool.
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Daryl Cooper
Well, and the only answer that I can come up with that. That really makes that make any sense, just even from their own self interest, like, forget about, like, the morality of it. It's just that they. Again, like, in the circles that they moved in, like, this stuff was not that big a deal. You know, I mean, I think about, like in Afghanistan, right? I remember reading a story once about a bunch of rangers got sent out to go put down an uprising in a village. Small town or village In Afghanistan, not, you know, just out in the countryside. That was in, like, an uprising because the US Occupation forces had forced them to have a certain number of women on, like, the town council and like, in the town government and stuff. And they weren't having it. And so they were refusing to obey. And when, you know, they. Some people tried to force it, there was some violence. And so they sent the Rangers out there to go put down this rebellion and reinforce, like, this change in policy, you know, to get those women in there. And so I, so I read that, and the first thing came to my mind was how, you know, if you go back into the 1990s, you can read this in the New York Times. I mean, it's on their Wikipedia page, you know, that the Taliban banned the practice of bachabazi, which is, you know, just systematic abuse of these little boys that they.
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Scott Horton
How they came to power.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah. And they literally had death squads rolling around, like, killing people for engaging in that. And it had. Had been, you know, not like, completely wiped out, but shoved underground, like big time when we moved in there. And you can go read a New York Times piece from, I think it's maybe like 2007, 2008, talking about how the two. It was. The funny, like, they were framing it as if this was like, reflecting badly on the Taliban, that the Taliban was using children to commit terrorist acts, to kill police commanders and police officers. And you read the story like, that's the headline. That's sort of like the way it's framed, but the story itself is very straightforward. It's that these were child sex slaves that were being held at, like, all the different police stations, police checkpoints. And they actually said that there. It was. It wasn't just something that was sort of known about. It was like every single station, every single checkpoint, to the point that when people got hired, when they were like, going to take a job, they demanded that as, like, part of their benefits of being there. Right. And. And the Taliban were going to some of these kids and being like, hey, you know, here's a gun. Like, just shoot your guy when you can and then come out and we'll protect you. And they frame that as if, like, they framed it as if the Taliban were like, using child soldiers or something. Right. Instead of helping these kids escape. And, and so I think about, like, that, you know, the, The. The. The reemergence of Bachelbazi under US Occupation and how that. That US army captain got kicked out of the army at first. He ended up getting reinstated and all that kind of stuff, because there was public furor over it. But, you know, he found a Afghan commander raping a child. And so he did what any red blooded American would do. He'd beat the out of him. And he, you know, he got told. And then there was not just him. Like there were stand downs that went out to U.S. soldiers, training that went out to them and said, look, you know, I know it's crazy to us, it's bad, it's evil, all that kind of thing. We are not here to change their culture in that way. And if we start getting involved in this, it's just going to compromise the mission. You just have to look the other way. But we're willing to send rangers out to that village to make sure that they have enough women on their town council. And it just kind of shows like what the moral priorities of these people are, you know, and they're very twisted and very different from the rest of us. Us.
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Scott Horton
One more I have to add to that is that there's three marines were working out in the gym and were shot in the back by the child sex slave of the police chief that they had installed in power. Send your son to war and that's how he dies. Well, see, your son's job was installing a police chief who was a serial child rapist. And then one of them grabbed an AK47 and shot your son in the back. But he died a hero for his country, though.
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Daryl Cooper
Imagine like how good about that. The Taliban propaganda had to just write itself. It's like we had wiped out the, the opium farmers. We had put a, put the kibosh on bacha bazi. And now look, the Americans came in and all the kids are getting raped by every police officer in every police station. And heroin's our main economic output again, like, I mean.
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Scott Horton
Yep, absolutely. All right, I gotta change the subject because we gotta do some business here. And then we gotta change. I got, I got Segways subjects. So first of all, business. This show is brought to you by books. I wrote great Ron Paul. This is a collection of interviews. I did 30 of them, actually. 29. And a speech I gave. You get enough already with your lifetime course subscription to the Scott Horton Academy. But also it's on sale at the thing. And then provoke. This is the big one.
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Daryl Cooper
Don't worry.
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Scott Horton
It's like a third of this is footnotes, dude.
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Daryl Cooper
So.
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Scott Horton
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Daryl Cooper
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Scott Horton
Okay, there you go. Well, we're not going to talk about that on this very family oriented show that it's been so far tonight. But we're talking coffee.
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Daryl Cooper
Of course. That's what I'm talking about. What are you talking about?
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Scott Horton
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, that's what I read. Yeah. And I believe the White House meeting took place on Veterans Day, which just feels like a real, like, poke in the eye to, I mean, any veteran out there. I'll tell you this, though. You got a Dr. Pepper handy because you're gonna need it because I'm about to piss you off. I'm gonna piss off a lot of the audience here. But don't hear what I'm not saying. Like, I'm not defending this guy, but I have kind of mixed feelings on what, like, what the right move is in the situation as it is right now. Right.
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Scott Horton
It ain't bringing the Oval Office.
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Daryl Cooper
Like, when you look at Syria and you say, like, who's going to run the country? Who's going to run that country? If it's not a guy who can at least keep the thousands and tens of thousands of crazy jihadist dudes with guns on some kind of a leash, then you know it, then the place is either gonna, it's gonna break down into civil war again. And like, you know, the, like our focus at this point. I mean, maybe we, we Americans should just probably stay the hell away from Syria for the next 50 years.
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Scott Horton
And his guy murdering people right now. They're killing Christians and Alawites and.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, that's true, but all day, so I've heard, obviously, I've seen the, the videos. I've read all about that stuff. Like, I've heard from people. Like, for example, like, I know, I know a guy, he's.
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Scott Horton
He.
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Daryl Cooper
Well, he's RFK's foreign policy advisor for the Middle east, and he's Syrian and he's been spending a lot of time in Damascus like in, you know, the last two years. And I've talked to him about this situation a bit, and he does, he's same thing. He doesn't deny, like, Alshara's past, any of that kind of stuff with regard to, like, the massacres that are taking place. I mean, he does say, and I've heard this from others as well, like, this is not, this is not the government directing these, these things. This is, this is an extremely weak government that does not have control over all of the guys who brought it to power. And if, if they go like, too far and you know, the, like, it's just, he's walking like a very extreme tightrope. And so if we have, if we look at the country and we say the only, the only person who's going to run the country is going to be somebody who can command these jihadist militias? That's just how it is. Unless we want to go in there and invade the plan place again or something. And so if we have one of these guys who at least is making noises like he wants to keep them on enough of a leash to be able to re establish relations with the rest of the world, is that the best we can hope for at this point? If our, our focus is, you know, forget about Syria's position, geopolitical position and all that kind of stuff. Syria is still broken down at this point. That like, that's the question for another decade right now. It's that these people have been going through hell for 15 years. The people who live there, regular people. And how do we stabilize it?
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Scott Horton
Look, the thing is, America had the place under a total blockade, an economic war. We got troops occupying the wheat and oil in the east, propping up the Kurds to separate them in a massive economic war to crush the Ba' Athist regime so that they be helpless and, you know, against the bin Ladenites, you know, hold up in the ID province since 27. So, and then it was, we know, because they took credit for it. It was Erdogan and Biden and Netanyahu that activated Jolani to seize the capital in, you know, one year ago, at the end of last November and into December there. And you know, without the, without Hezbollah or Russia there to help him at that point, they were quickly routed. But that ain't popular sovereignty, man. I mean, this whole thing was an invasion by American and Saudi and Turkish and Israeli and Qatari backed mercs this whole time since 2011, no doubt led by the chief jihadi himself, Barack Obama, and his deputy, John Brennan. And they're the ones who've done this to Syria. So this guy sees in power.
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Daryl Cooper
Whatever.
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Scott Horton
If you want to start the story at the middle of last December and say, okay, well the guys, he, Joe Biden did this. It's not Trump's fault, it's not our, it's not 2025's fault. This is the situation that we're stuck in. You want to lift the sanctions and normalize relations, encourage the Kurds to somehow strike a deal, encourage, you know, maybe put some kind of pressure on the new regime to hands off the Alawites and the Christians and whatever and get the hell out of there as best as possible, fine. But bringing the guy to the Oval Office and treating him like he's some kind of hero, and this is a guy who admits that he was inspired to join the jihad by the September 11th attack, 3,000 dead American civilians. And he was like, yeah, man, I want in on this war now is how he got his start. And then he went, he's a Saudi born in Syria. Then he went to Iraq War two. One of the foreign fighters fighting with Zarqawi in the suicide bomber brigades. And he told Frontline that he fought Americans in Mosul and Ramadi. And presumably.
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Daryl Cooper
What did Trump say? He had a. He had a tough past. He. He was a very tough past.
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Scott Horton
Had a very tough, very handsome guy with a very tough past. And then he was in Camp Buka and, you know, I don't know, man. People have different levels of conspiracy theory about this and that. You know, CIA took over this group at this time already. I don't really think that that's right. I don't think Baghdadi was CIA. But when the war kicked off in Syria, Baghdadi, Abu Bakr al Baghdadi was then the head of the bin Ladenites, sent Jelani, his deputy, to go and lead the fight in Syria. I mean, this was literally the second direct successor to Zarqawi, was the boss of this guy and sent him to Syria to lead the revolution. And people are, I hope, very familiar with the email from Jake Sullivan, who is had been Hillary Clinton's national security advisor at the time when she was Secretary of State, or I forget exactly what you call his position, but when she was Secretary of State, he was her advisor and he wrote to her. See the attached news story here. AQ is on our side in Syria. And attached was a story from Reuters about how Ayman Al Zawahiri had endorsed the revolution and said all true Muslims, meaning bin Ladenites of his persuasion, should go there and fight to kill the atheist, evil, secular, satanic BIS there. And then there is an interview. Sorry, I'm rambling, but I'll be done quick. There's an interview on CBS News from February 28, 2012. So one year into the covert operation on behalf of these kooks and Wyatt, something from CBS asks Hillary Clinton, why aren't we doing more to overthrow Assad? And she says, well, one our friends of Syria meeting yesterday fell apart. We have no government in exile to install in power there. It's not working. Ever since Liz Cheney led the effort to build up the Muslim Brotherhood to be the government replacement. Forgotten history. That didn't work either. And Hillary Clinton's tries didn't work either. So she says, we don't really have an organized force to put in there. And then she says, and plus, we know that Hamas and Al Qaeda have endorsed the revolution in Syria. So are we back in Al Qaeda in Syria? We back in Hamas in Syria, which Hamas wasn't there, but they had endorsed it, I guess, which was idiotic of them for their position they were in, but ruined their ties with Iran for a while. But she said it right there. We know why not to do this, because this will benefit Jelani. And then at the end of that year, in December that year, guess what? It was Robert Kagan's wife, Victoria Newland, serving as spokeswoman for the State Department, who put out a thing. People can Google this right now. It'll come right up that the, the Jabot Al Nusra is just an alias for Al Qaeda in Iraq. And that's your great keyword there, alias, because that's, you know, people don't use that that much for groups, you know what I mean? Usually just for people. So Newland, alias Nusra. And there it is. The worst suicide bomber, head chopper, bin Ladenite edge of the Sunni insurgency in Iraq War two are now the heroes in Syria. Even though you might remember, Daryl, your buddies were involved in all this stuff. We still had troops occupying Iraq through the end of 2011. And but we're already got the war kicked off on the other side of the line where Al Qaeda are the good guys. And then, you know, CIA, State, and we're still doing drone strikes in 2012. Jason Dits and I from Anti War.com we would joke on the show that they were doing these drone strikes against Al Qaeda, but they're deliberately missing and just striking right at their heels to chase them west into Syria where they're heroic moderate rebels taking on the evil tyranny. So worst of all worlds. Yes, all Obama's fault. Yes, all Biden's fault, too. And, and Donald Trump could have done something about this when he was in power for four years before and didn't. And so, and then to your point about, well, okay, well whatever, we're here now, we got to deal with this guy. Fine. But there ain't nothing so moderate about him other than they dressed him up in a monkey suit. He's still literally a head chopper and all of his guys are head choppers. And if he really is going to kowtow to America and Israel this bad, his own guys are going to kill him and replace.
- [63:45]
Daryl Cooper
That, obviously, is the tough part. You know, we're already is finding a guy who, I mean, just like Hillary Clinton said, like the only organized force like military force in that country are head chopper, jihadist types, like, that's it. And you, you know, I mean, he very well may get clipped by either one of our guys or by, or one of the, one of the jihadists or by the Israelis or by us one of these days. And like, I'm sure he's very aware of that. And I wouldn't want to be in his position, especially given the fact that, you know, he rode to power on the backs of a bunch of lunatics and now they gotta worry about like, how do we keep the water running and how do we clear the trash off the streets and stuff, you know, actual government stuff that these people have no experience in. And so, you know, it's a, it's a. Obviously he's in a very precarious situation. I do wonder though, like, first of all, actually, let me say I'm very sympathetic to your point about like, yeah, if you want to start the story, you know, a year and a half ago or whatever that. I hate when people do that with, you know, the, the Israel, Palestinian situation, for example, you know, they, the Israelis strike all year and then there's an attack by Hamas that, you know, fires back and it's, Hamas attacks Israel, you start to strike. I, I hate when that happens. And, and I, I sympathize with like, you know, having resistance to it in this case. But like, I'm just trying to think of like, you know, you have to have somebody that's going to at least possibly have credibility with the only organized armed people in that country. And if it's a guy, even for his own, he just wants to be in power for his own self preservation. He's making your gestures of sort of diplomacy to, you know, to, to the rest of the world, you know, if, like, just maybe that's the best we can hope for, you know, and as far as like bringing him in and having him play basketball with vets, that's obscene. It's kind of par for the course at this point, but it's totally obscene. Especially doing on Veterans Day is crazy. As far as him visiting the White House though, like, I wonder, you know, you remember right after he took power, the Israelis like that night basically were like, oh, sweet Assad's gone. And they just, they bombed everything in that country. I mean, they bombed the, you know, at first they were like, oh, we're just bombing like these strategic weapons that we don't want jihadists to have. The, their hands. They blew up the Ministry of Defense building. They were just. Yeah, and so, you know, it may be like us telling Israel, like, look, we're going to let this play out. Like, we're going to see what this guy's really about. And you're not going to do this crap. Like, you're going to let this play out too. We're bringing them to the White House and that's like a signal to you that you're going to do that. Like, I'm sure it's just probably something, you know, that kind of diplomacy, look, it makes me sick to my stomach. I mean, it's when, when, when in 2011, when our government, when the Obama administration put us on the same side as Al Qaeda. Ten years after nine, they should have the entire administration, everybody involved with that should have been hung for treason. I mean, that's how I feel about that.
- [66:58]
Scott Horton
It started in 06. It started under Bush, the redirection in 2000.
- [67:02]
Daryl Cooper
Okay, yeah, there you go. I mean, like the, the, yeah. So I, like, I feel the same way that you do, about the same level of disgust about it. I just, I try to keep my focus on, like, you know, forget about what I'm pissed off about as an American. Forget about the fact that, like, there's all this, these things that I, I can't swallow, like what is the, what is the shortest point, you know, the shortest, the shortest route that will possibly, you know, just have a chance of bringing some stability to the actual normal people who live in that country. And I mean, and so, I don't know, I mean, having this guy in power, I mean, obviously, like, it, you know, it, maybe it improves stability from 0 to percent to 10 or something. I don't know, maybe that's totally meaningless of people live there. But I just don't know what else to do. I mean, I, I, I do think to your point, the right thing probably for America to do, you know, if we went, if we had Turkey and we had Israel, these other countries in our ears saying, look, we're not, after everything has happened, after we've just spent the last, you know, 15 years whipping up our entire Sunni region against the Assad regime, we're not, this guy, not staying in power. Like, one way or another, he's not, we're not tolerating that. We probably should have just been like, you know what then? Conscious pilot. That, and like, that would be evil too, because we obviously created the situation. But like the, at a certain point, maybe the right thing to do would have just been like, you know what, you guys have your fun then, but don't count on us. We're not going to be involved with this anymore. But, you know, I don't know if that's Would have been morally the right move either, just because of our, you know, the hand we played.
- [68:48]
Scott Horton
And at some point, you just gotta call it off, man. It's like finding the right way to quit smoking cigarettes, dude. Yeah, yeah, you gotta just stop. All right, listen, we're gonna do a few super chats and then get out of here. But before that, I wanted to say real, real quickly because it is important about Elijah Schaefer, this, you know, conservative or kind of right populist podcaster who he retweeted, I think, somebody else saying that Cash Patel's girlfriend is a Mossad honeypot, and now they're suing him. And then he put his home address in the court documents where they're suing him and doxed him as the Attorney General of the United States's girlfriend's lawsuit against him. Wrote a thing on. On Twitter last night saying, you know, he's desperate. Had to get out of his house, get his family out of the house, and, like, has a legal defense fund. And, you know, I like to just go ahead and. I'll go ahead and put words in everybody's mouth. We all believe in free speech, especially for people we hate. Okay, well, we gotta definitely defend free speech when it's friends of ours who are getting persecuted. I mean, this is unbelievable stuff. Imagine, seriously, the Department of Justice, once removed, coming after you in that way on, like, wasn't the suit for $500,000 or $5 million?
- [70:13]
Daryl Cooper
5 million, I believe. Yeah.
- [70:15]
Scott Horton
Absolutely ridiculous. Dude. They're. They're trying to destroy this man's life over a retweet.
- [70:20]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah.
- [70:20]
Scott Horton
I mean, this is some. You would expect this kind of behavior from a Democrat.
- [70:26]
Daryl Cooper
I mean, it's the kind of law fair that we complained about with the Democrats, you know, the entire. The entire time that they were in power.
- [70:35]
Scott Horton
I retweeted Elijah Schaefer, and people can look him up. He's just known as E, I think, because his name is so banned. But you could find him on Twitter there and. And help support. I mean, that is just messed up. And help spread the word about it. Like, do people know that this is really going on?
- [70:50]
Daryl Cooper
Maybe people asking, how is there nobody in Cash Patel's ear? Nobody in the administration who's like, look, yeah, this guy. Like, if you were a civilian, like, do your thing. But, like, this does not. You can't do this. Yeah, it's crazy. To me that, like, they're, you know, talk about, like, you know, with the Epstein stuff, like, what is the prevailing culture that something like this is acceptable? There's nobody getting in their ear saying, bad idea, boss. It makes you wonder that about the administration, honestly.
- [71:17]
Scott Horton
And, you know, I think among just people out in the world, people might think, well, man, that's terrible that that's happening. But I'm sure somebody with wealth and importance and power has his back. But, like, we don't know that.
- [71:31]
Daryl Cooper
You know what I mean?
- [71:31]
Scott Horton
I don't know that. Yeah. Like, who says he's got a great lawyer? I don't know that he's got a great lawyer. You know, maybe we should get in touch with him, but he's under assault, and at the very least, he needs everybody tweeting on his side and letting everyone know they absolutely do consensuses with this guy, you know, there's no way we're gonna let y' all do this. And because, look, let's say you, for whatever reason, really don't like this guy. Well, whatever. There but for the grace of Jesus goes you next week, pal. If we don't all defend free speech, seriously, it's really important. And, like, she's a public person. She has no leg to stand on. I don't even know. She could sue for this in England, man, but certainly not in the United States. Can she clear the hurdle here? Or, you know, maybe she can through corruption, but not under actual American legal standards. For what is free speech and what is not. He would have to. She would have to prove that he knew what he said was wrong when he said it and that it was meant to deliberately destroy her reputation, and it was all premeditated and in writing and all this. No. Yeah, right.
- [72:41]
Daryl Cooper
There's processes, the punishment, man. Like, I don't think they think they can win in court. That's not the point. The point's to get his home address in those court documents. It's to make him spend his life savings on some lawyers to defend against this crowd. Like that's what it's for.
- [72:55]
Scott Horton
Sick. No, man, that's. We. This is absolutely intolerable. All right, let's do some super chats and then run in reverse order here. Props to me for putting up with Tim Pool yelling over everyone. Yeah, that's true. He's all right, though. I like the dude. He's a skateboarder, man. He's a good. He says funny things. Big theory. Rob Maxwell gives Israel Promise Tech so Israel can observe, manipulate markets to produce Independent American billionaires like Ackman, who in turn control politics for Israel. Interesting. A little bit of insider trading and, and rig into the system there. I, I wouldn't doubt it.
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Daryl Cooper
Yeah, it's, you know, that's an. The Promise software stuff. Maxwell was heavily involved in that and he almost certainly did what the commenter just said. Like, it's an extremely complicated story and so it's hard to unravel all the different, you know, bits of evidence from like what's circumstantial, from what's proven, all that kind of stuff. But I mean, the circumstantial evidence is pretty overwhelming for sure that he was, you know that because, you know, as part of his publishing empire, he didn't just publish books and stuff, he published. Or newspapers. He published scientific papers. You saw that. I don't know if you've seen that movie. It's actually a really good movie about Tetris. It's about like.
- [74:12]
Scott Horton
Isn't that great?
- [74:12]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah, yeah. And so like he was, he wanted to buy Tetris, the video game, you know, and he had these. A lot of his business was bringing stuff from behind the eastern block out into the west, scientific papers, things like that. And so he was into like when you say publishing software, things like that were part of that. And he was definitely involved in distributing and brokering sales of the Promise software, which was like, you know, something that sounds very primitive nowadays, you know, as a database software that allowed people. This is like in the, in the 1980s, so computers are not, you know, you got your 286, IBM compatible, like whatever, 25 MHz machines and your dot matrix printers and stuff. But you got to think like if you get somebody at a police station or at an intelligence agency, you get a name or something like that and you want to find out what this guy is. In 1960, you got to work the phones, you know, and so to have it where you actually have a database that you can cross reference and everybody's just a common system, very, very easy to sell to a lot of security services, a lot of intelligence agencies. And you know, the allegation over the years, and it's, it's fairly well substantiated I think, is that, you know, we were selling this with a back door built in so that, you know, us and, and through Maxwell, Israeli intelligence would be able to access it. And you know, there were, there were incident, there was an incident like this before for decades. Like this was, this is crazy that like, I mean, you know, just from the Standpoint of, like, success of intelligence operations. You actually got to give the CIA credit on this one. They purchased this, like, the. The world's leading. It's like in the 1950s, the world's leading manufacturer of cryptography hardware, and the CIA owned it, and they were selling it to, like, foreign governments all over the world and everything. And it came out, like, 20, 30 years later. They finally got found out and had to sell off to some normal person or whatever. But, yeah, the CIA was selling the cryptography software to, like, Eastern bloc countries. Like, they're all over the place. And so they had done stuff like this before, and Promise was kind of just the computerized version of. Of that operation.
- [76:23]
Scott Horton
All right, Rick Gibbs, old friend of mine from back in history for Daryl. Have you heard back from the young woman from your podcast? A letter from a young Palestinian girl. Prayers for her and her family?
- [76:35]
Daryl Cooper
Indeed. Not in about a year and a half. Yeah, so I. I reached out to her one time after that, heard back from her one time after that. At the time, as far as she knew, her family was still alive because her whole family was still in Gaza. I don't know what their status is now. I've reached out to her a few more times, and I. And I haven't heard back. So I will keep everybody updated, though, if I do.
- [76:59]
Scott Horton
All right, cool. Well, listen, man, I think we should call it quits. We're a bit over an hour here, and I don't know how to pronounce the word in that last question, so I think that'll be.
- [77:11]
Daryl Cooper
Oh, no.
- [77:12]
Scott Horton
What?
- [77:13]
Daryl Cooper
Say that again. My French. You know, Cote d'. Ivoire.
- [77:16]
Scott Horton
Oh, no, this was.
- [77:17]
Daryl Cooper
I already embarrassed myself once earlier, dude. Like in my whole World War II series I'm doing now, every time I have to say a French name or any kind of a French term or town or something, I just, like, cross myself because I just can't do it. I don't understand how anybody speaks that language. It makes no sense to me.
- [77:34]
Scott Horton
Yeah. Oh, you know what? Someone just mentioned this. I have to add before we cut out here, Tucker Carlson has a huge break in story on Thomas Crooks.
- [77:44]
Daryl Cooper
Yeah, we can talk about that next week because I haven't had a chance to check that out yet.
- [77:47]
Scott Horton
Yes.
- [77:48]
Daryl Cooper
And.
- [77:48]
Scott Horton
And let me just say, there's one very best reporter in the country on that story, and his name is Ken Silva from Headline USA and the Libertarian Institute. And we're publishing his book on this subject very soon. So this morning he sent. Or last night he sent me a thing Damn it. I guess I'm gonna have to add a postscript now because his book is about ready to. Ready to go here, but. So this will be a very important little addendum for the end of his book. Some of the scoops in this thing. So, everybody, if you're registered at Tucker's website, you can look at that. I'm not sure if it's already out on his YouTube, the whole thing.
- [78:24]
Daryl Cooper
It is, I think on Twitter at least. Yeah.
- [78:26]
Scott Horton
Huge stuff there about this kid and potential motives and potential involvement of others and. And lowercase p, potential involvement of others, but it's there. So anyway, everybody go look at that. And listen. I'm wearing the wrong institute sweatshirt today. I love mises, but it's libertarianinstitute.org that's the good stuff. And subscribe.myrmaid.com thanks, Daryl. Yep, this has been Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horse. Be sure to like and subscribe to help us beat the propaganda algorithm. Go follow at Provoked show on X and YouTube and tune in next time for more Provoked.
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