EP:29 - Bombing Iran Again?!

Summary

Provoked with Darryl Cooper and Scott Horton
EP:29 – Bombing Iran Again?!
January 3, 2026

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Overview

In this episode, hosts Scott Horton and Darryl Cooper tackle the resurgence of U.S. regime change rhetoric and actions toward Iran amidst ongoing protests, economic instability, and rising tensions. They dissect current propaganda, media narratives, and geopolitical posturing, reflecting on the historical pattern of American interventions and their catastrophic consequences. The conversation spotlights both hosts’ skepticism toward renewed calls for war, critiques of political cynicism, and examination of public opinion’s shift on foreign policy, particularly on the right. The episode also delves into how information operations and public narratives are manipulated in policy discourse, weaving in personal reflections, memorable moments, and expert insights.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

U.S. and Allied Calls for Regime Change in Iran

• Context of Current Protests

  • Large-scale protests in Iran, fueled by severe economic conditions and a freshwater crisis ([01:00]-[02:20]).
  • Western media and social media figures, especially monarchists and "Zionists," frame the protests as the beginning of the end for the Iranian regime.
  • Repeated historic pattern: external actors regularly predict the imminent fall of the Iranian government, regardless of the nature or scale of internal unrest.

• Trump's Threats and Policy Shifts

  • Discussion of Donald Trump’s Truth Social post: “If Iran shoots and violently kills protesters, the US is coming” ([02:23]).
  • Comparison to Obama’s Libyan intervention: Use of “protesters killed” as pretext for war ([04:15]-[06:12]).
  • Expansion of U.S. interventionist justifications—shifting from nuclear threats to missile programs to internal dissent ([13:16]).

• Cynicism and Diminished Public Resistance

  • Increasing ease with which U.S. presidents initiate new wars—with less public outrage or debate.
  • Both hosts mourn America’s transformation from a “naturally patriotic” nation to an “agent of chaos” globally, destabilizing rather than stabilizing conflicts.

The Propaganda Machine and Manufactured Consent

• Media Spin and Historical Amnesia

  • The cycle of overstating the significance of Iranian protests for regime stability.
  • "Every time this happens… Israeli leaders and other Western leaders… jump right on it and say, ‘see, it’s the fall of the regime…’” – Scott Horton ([01:00]).
  • Media used as a tool to build public support for regime change without honest accounting of the consequences.

• Public Relations & Manipulation

  • Israeli and American manipulation of narratives around missile threats, democracy promotion, and regime legitimacy.
  • "We have to expedite the chaotic collapse to Syria so that then we can control the better outcome. And this is the better outcome. A bin Ladenite regime..." – Scott Horton, referencing David Wurmser’s strategy ([11:07]-[12:35]).
  • PR strategies observed: “highlight Israeli support for women’s rights/gay rights… elevate concerns that Hamas wants to destroy all Jews…” (discussion of internal Israeli PR studies, [38:28]).

The Realities and Fallout of U.S.-Driven Regime Change

• Civil War, Chaos, and Repression—The Pattern

  • If U.S. policy succeeded: likely years of police-state repression, mass resentment, and possibly civil war, echoing the aftermath in Iraq, Syria, and Libya ([06:16]-[08:25]).
  • “You’re looking at, best case scenario, just decades of brutal, brutal repression.” – Daryl Cooper ([06:44])
  • U.S. officials exhibit little to no concern for civilian suffering or genuine reconstruction ([10:24]-[11:07]).

• No Lessons Learned

  • "It's all the people who are old enough to remember what happened back then...who are the ones cheering it on." – Daryl Cooper ([06:24])
  • American amnesia—failure to internalize the lessons of Iraq, Libya, Syria.

Intervention, Sovereignty, and “Democracy Promotion” Skepticism

• The Mechanics of External Interference

  • References to NED, US AID, Soros-backed NGOs involved in Iranian and other “color revolutions” ([17:08]-[22:05]).
  • Regime change rarely brings genuine democracy—usually just client states, more instability.

• The Impossible Choice for Targeted Nations

  • Authoritarianism as a forced choice in the face of foreign subversion, infiltration, and sabotage.
  • “You almost have to be a police state or just hang up your boots and let somebody else do it.” – Daryl Cooper ([20:53]).

Domestic Political Implications & the MAGA Movement

• Fractures in Trump’s Base

  • Younger "America First" supporters are demoralized and feel betrayed by Trump’s foreign policy priorities, especially his deference to Israel ([28:50]-[29:53]).
  • Discussion on the disconnect between his online base's antiwar sentiment and Trump’s public actions/personal information bubble.

• The Role of Israel in U.S. Politics

  • Trump’s perceived subservience to Netanyahu lambasted: "He could have been like a super, super, super strong ally of Israel...and still not just allow Benjamin Netanyahu to put a leash around his neck and march him around on TV…" – Daryl Cooper ([26:44]).
  • The MAGA movement risks becoming a “bad joke” as it drifts from its anti-interventionist roots ([24:06]-[26:38]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Futility of Regime Change:

  • “We’ll probably eventually topple the regime and reduce the place to total chaos… like we did in Syria and Libya and everywhere else.”
    — Daryl Cooper [03:46]

• On American Political Elite’s Indifference:

  • "The people making these decisions don't care. Like that's a fine outcome as far as they're concerned. Just having it be in total chaos... That's a decent second option."
    — Daryl Cooper [10:24]
  • “They just have no concern whatsoever for the fact that there's people that have to live through this stuff, you know?”
    — Daryl Cooper [12:44]

• On Manufactured Legitimacy:

  • “Democracy—that’s what we really care about. Like, give me a break, dude. No one believed that for a moment.”
    — Scott Horton [22:05]

• On U.S. Political Realities:

  • “Security is a government program, right?”
    — Scott Horton [17:08]

• On Israel’s Influence and Political Cowardice:

  • "I heard from somebody...that Trump feels like he's under an assassination threat from the Israelis if he doesn't do what they want. I don't know what to make of that...it feels like it's just kind of cope.”
    — Daryl Cooper [26:44]

• On Weaponized Narratives and Social Control:

  • “It's time to limit the First Amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late.”
    — Shlomo Kramer, Israeli tech billionaire ([53:09])

[Select Timestamps]

• [01:00] – Setting the stage: Iranian protests, Western expectations of regime collapse
• [04:15] – Libya, Yemen, proxy wars, and “regime killings” as pretexts for war
• [06:16] – Why the "old guard" supports intervention, the generational divide
• [08:25] – Historic myopia: lack of post-regime change planning
• [11:07] – The Wurmser Doctrine, deliberate chaos as a policy objective
• [13:16] – Israeli priorities shape U.S. policy (“forget the nuclear program… the problem is missiles”)
• [20:53] – Why authoritarianism is endemic in “threatened” states
• [24:06] – The collapse of antiwar populism and MAGA's future
• [26:44] – The humiliations of American politics by Israeli leaders
• [38:28] – Israeli PR plans for countering accusations of genocide/apartheid
• [53:08] – Shlomo Kramer on speech controls
• [55:27] – Brief summary of ongoing Yemen complexities, the episode’s wrap-up

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Tone & Language

• Frank, world-weary, and often darkly comedic
• Deep skepticism toward official narratives, especially on U.S. interventions
• Interwoven personal anecdotes and historical context
• Frequent allusions to past and contemporary media manipulation

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Conclusion

This episode of "Provoked" lays bare the psychology and mechanics of U.S. interventionism, the deliberate ignorance of consequences among policymakers, and the propaganda strategies that sell war to the public. Horton and Cooper balance anecdote-laden cynicism with a clear, historically rooted critique of current foreign policy, warning that the cycle of violence and chaos in the Middle East is likely to repeat—again—with devastating results for ordinary people, and little cost or reflection for those who instigate the chaos.

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Additional Resources & Further Reading

• Ryan Grim’s report on Israeli global PR strategies, Drop Site News ([38:28])
• Joe Solis-Mullen’s "The Fake China Threat and its Very Real Danger" ([75:13])
• Online project: https://vegasshootingmap.com/ for analysis on the Las Vegas shooting (referenced during episode's tangent, [64:47])

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For Engaged Listeners:

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• Consider reading referenced books and articles for deeper historical context
• Next episode TBA – keep an eye on announcements!

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Transcript

[Scott Horton]

Tonight, the New York Post endorses revolution in Iran. Will it succeed?

[Daryl Cooper]

All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is.

[Scott Horton]

That gods can break humans negotiate. Now end this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton. Debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present, and future is provoked. All right, you guys, welcome to the show. It's Friday. Again, I'm Scott Horton, and he is the great Darrell Cooper, martyr maid, American historian extraordinaire. And tonight we're going to talk about whether America is going back to war against Iran. There are protests in the street and, well, all the monarchists and Zionists are on Twitter endorsing the revolution and, and praying, you know, for the freedom of the Iranian people. But there have been some massive protests. And, you know, I saw a report earlier on BBC propaganda about they've been really suffering a lot of price inflation. And then, of course, is the freshwater crisis. And so there is, you know, whatever, plenty of cause to protest. Every time this happens in Iran, though, protests of any kind, mostly, you know, Israeli leaders and other Western leaders, followed by, you know, following the Israelis tend to jump right on it and say, see, it's the fall of the regime and Ayatollah is sure to be overthrown any moment now. And, you know, hey, it could happen. But I've seen big protests in America, too, none of which portended the fall of, you know, the Justice Department and its authority over the land or anything like that, ultimately. But anyway, Donald Trump here. Let me share this. This thing from the Truth Social. I went ahead and joined Truth Social. Darrell, why are my Streamyard buttons not wanting to click on time for me tonight? What is this? Do I need to hit refresh or something?

[Daryl Cooper]

I see it.

[Scott Horton]

All right, here we go. If Iran shots and violently kills protesters, the US Is coming. Daryl Cooper, what do you think? He really.

[Daryl Cooper]

Wait, so does that mean, like, if they just put a pillow over their face so it's not a violent killing? Is that okay? Maybe they could get away with that now, who knows? Man, this stuff with Iran is, like. It's just depressing at this point. You know, it's hard to watch, like, when I. When I watch, like, BB Come for the New Year's party, and he's standing there and just dog walking Trump on camera again. You know, for a while, it was infuriating. At this point, it's just kind of sad and kind of demoralizing and, you know, I'll get moralized again soon enough. But, man, right now, it's just. Are we Going to war with Iran. Yeah, probably. You know, well, here's. Here's the best part. Here's the part that, like, nobody really wants to hear. We'll probably. We'll probably eventually topple the regime and reduce the place to, like, just total chaos and civil war and massacre like we did in Syria and Libya and everywhere else. We'll probably do it. It's just very depressing to, like, you know, as a person who's, like, naturally patriotic, has always been, you know, a veteran, myself, somebody who. Whose family members served in the military, going back and back to just see what we've become. Just this. This agent of chaos around the world that goes around not even in the service of what our ruling class, you know, maybe falsely thinks or our own interests, but just a mercenary that goes around destroying countries, you know, meddling in affairs and just really, like, making every place that we put our finger in worse than it was before.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, you know, we talked about this, too, about how over the time, it gets easier and easier for presidents to do this. People just kind of quit caring. Obama announced the Libya war from a press conference down in Brazil for the next big one. In Yemen, they just put out a State Department press release. Bernadette Meehan. That's the war power resides in. State Department spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan declares war on Yemen. You know, killed 300,000 people, bombed them for seven years. I mean, sort of kind of by proxy, but really, everybody knows USA was in charge the whole time, so that's how it works. And. And so, you know, I got a couple people criticized me because I. I called Trump, Obama, because this is basically the same excuse he invoked to bomb Libya, that, oh, no, Gaddafi is killing protesters. You know, even though these were Al Qaeda guys chopping people's heads off and trying to overthrow the country. And he had not massacred civilians in the country, in the cities, in towns where his forces had already taken land back. So they were just lying that he intended to kill all these people. In Benghazi, 750,000 people. Imagine the city of Charlotte, North Carolina, being wiped off the map, Darrell. I mean, it's a stupid lie, but at least it's a big lie, or at least it's something here. Trump is saying he'll intervene if anybody is killed if protesting in Tehran. I mean, and then so I says that, and people go, nuh, Obama liked Iran. It's like, yeah, it don't matter which country we're bombing that we're talking about, man. What matters is how easy it is. And, you know, I don't know if they're bots or not, but I presume some of them are real people saying, hey, it's about time we dealt with the Iranians. I'm tired of them and their problem. And they just rationalize, just like it's W. Bush, that, like, man, Trump wouldn't be doing this if it wasn't the right thing to do. So what's, what are you even worried about at all? You know, it's, that's really begging the question.

[Daryl Cooper]

I mean, you know, that is the really depressing part. And what's really depressing about it is it would be more understandable if the younger generation was just, yeah, I don't like the Iranians anyway, just going along with whatever Trump said, you know, because they weren't around in 2003. They don't remember, they weren't, they're not old enough. You know, if it was the younger cup. But it's the opposite. It's all the people who are old enough to remember what happened back then and what has happened, like in all the years since, who were the ones cheering it on. The younger people are largely against it. And, you know, it's, you know, one of the things that, that, that, and you know, the people in charge, they know this and they don't care. But I, I, I think a lot of people who just kind of casually throw out, you know, just nonsense tweets about liberating Iran, blah, blah, blah, is that like, if everything goes according to plan, we get, you know, a replacement government in there. I don't think people, a lot, like, most people really understand that, like, best case scenario for even, like, let's say you avoid a full scale, just Syrian civil war in Iran and total destruction like that, let's say a new regime does take place, you're looking at decades of brutal police state repression in that country as one that is fully endorsed and fully backed and probably funded by the United States and Israel and stuff. Because, I mean, you're going to have a lot of people in that country who are not happy about the change and, or even if, even if there aren't that many of those people, which I think there would be, there's going to be a suspicion like there is after every revolution or every regime change that they're like, you know, elements of the old regime that, that are a threat. And so you're looking at like, best case scenario just decades of brutal, brutal repression. That's just going to create more resentment, you know, build you know, build up more resentment and, and, and set the stage for some future unpredictable backlash that, you know, that is going to get blamed on something that is totally different than the thing that actually caused it.

[Scott Horton]

Yep. Hey man, I'll never forget Congressman Bob Darning. I don't know why I got such a grudge against this SOP, but back in 2000 and let's say 12, he was interviewed on CNN about, okay, maybe this would have been after the big, the first big fake sarin hoax of August 13, when they were really debating whether to go in there with a full scale invasion and overthrow Assad. And, and Bob Dornan is asked on CNN or one of these, okay, but like if we do overthrow Assad, these are adults talking. If we do overthrow Assad and his government, Congressman, well, what do we expect to happen after that? And Bob Dornan says, well, we'll just have to hope that someone comes to the fore, that's all. You know, this is, I debated one of these Israeli propagandists on the Piers Morgan show, whatever a few months back. Our guest back in last June would have been, I guess, and, and they, they played a clip of Nancy Mace and then it was one of the propagandists on the show with us too. And they're just saying, well, you know, oh, this is, this was the quote, it may have been that girl Emily Austin that took the $7,000 proposed said, well, the Iranian people, after we regime change the country, the Iranian people will just have to rise up and create a great new thing. Like, yeah, you just bluffing, you know nothing about it. But this could lead to, as you were saying, a massive civil war, a Syrian style chaos, you know, that we had, you know, it took Daryl, it took 14 years for Al Qaeda to win that war and take over Damascus and more than half a million people were killed in the meantime. You know, it was an absolute catastrophe visit on Syria by America and its allies for Israel.

[Daryl Cooper]

And I mean then the reality of the situation is that, is that the people making these decisions don't care. Like that's a fine outcome as far as they're concerned. Just having it be in total chaos, total just, you know, just, they're fine with that. That's, that's a, that is maybe, you know, I'm sure they'd prefer if, you know, the Sunni and Shia Alawites and in Syria all came together and joined hands and, you know, bowed down to the American and Israeli flag and told us how much they love us and how grateful they are for everything. I'm sure they prefer that. But as they're like, actually going through and like war gaming these situations, you know, I'm sure that they realize that total chaos and destruction is the most likely outcome. And they're like, that's fine. That's a, That's a decent second option, you know?

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. Or, yeah, they just don't really care about what happens next. They just, like, in the, in like the idiot sense, they don't even consider what happens next and they just sort of. Well, we'll deal with that when we get to it. I'm reminded of David Wormser, who I'm so fond of picking on. Mr. Clean Break himself was complaining. If you look at his Twitter feed this week, you'll see him complaining about this Syrian regime. Jelani. He still calls him Jelani the bin Ladenite, right? Not Alshara. And. And he's saying, look at this guy and his HTS terrorist regime going around killing innocent people and persecuting Christians. It's like, yeah, but you're the guy that said we will have to engage the fundamentalists with better allies than the Baathists. And you're the guy who refused to take that back after 35 years of chaos over there. No, it has to be the warring tribes, the religiously motivated sectarian groups. We have to reduce it to that first. Then we'll figure out how to deal with that. As he says in Coping, we have to expedite the chaotic collapse to Syria so that then we can control the better outcome. And this is the better outcome. A bin Ladenite regime, literally the Islamic State. Only Islamic State west instead of Islamic State East.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, it's like they have.

[Scott Horton]

And then he says, oh, I'm horrified. You know what? Maybe we should consider intervening in Syria.

[Daryl Cooper]

You know, it's like they have no. Just no concept of, of the reality of people actually living in these places. You know, it's like. Or, I don't know, maybe just people. When you get like. Most of the people who get to that level of power are just kind of sociopaths. And the ones who aren't like Thomas Massey eventually get run out in one way or another, isolated and. And pushed to the side. I don't know. But it's like they. I mean, it really seems like they just have no concern whatsoever for the fact that there's people that got to live through this stuff, you know?

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. How do you like this one, man? Long time fan. Oh, whoops. I have here. He just heard that they evacuated the embassy in Baghdad. Or I wonder if that's ear bull or Baghdad. Interesting times, man. Here's the thing that's important. Benjamin Netanyahu into town and he says to Donald Trump, he says, forget the nuclear program. Oh, forget the nuclear program. The problem is missiles. Iran can't have missiles. And nobody says that they, they're making three stage ICBMs to threaten the United States. I don't believe, I mean they did put a couple satellites in space. That's not exactly the same technology for delivering missile, you know, weapons payloads, but it's close. So there is, you know, that potential there. But I think what we're talking about is mid range missiles that can hit Tel Aviv. And the Iranians have claimed to be producing them over time for next time as a deterrent. And then so putting aside the, you know, quite severely curtailed or not curtailed, but you know, eroded whatever destroyed nuclear program and its status now, Trump's now decided the next excuse for war. Well, one could be the missiles. And now he's even saying it could just be the protesters. So yeah, you know, again, I don't.

[Daryl Cooper]

Know, I mean in the Ms. We're stuck in this dilemma of not wanting to predict war. But, well, I mean the missiles one is particularly ridiculous just because, I mean, leaving aside whether they're developing long range missiles that could hit the U.S. like, who cares? But it's just, I mean what, what that really is saying is, you know, that policy is telling Iran that Israel is going to attack you and you are not allowed to fight back. That is all it's, that's all it's saying. If you, if you tell them they're not allowed to make ballistic missiles, that's the only way they got Israel to call it off earlier this year or last year because they were able to hit back, you know, and this is just telling them that Iran's never fired a missile at Israel or anybody else offensively, you know, out of nowhere. Certainly not a sneak attack while they were in the middle of negotiations with that party or something. You know, it's always gone one way and everybody knows that, you know, that the, that the, that the know a policy saying that they can't build ballistic missiles is simply just telling them you're not allowed to defend yourself. And if you try, then, you know, the Americans might step in. And you know, you've seen this before. I mean, I think you've seen versions of this like throughout history where, you know, you saw this in World War II with the Japanese where you just, you know, FDR backed them into a corner where, you know, they were really facing a choice between a chaotic retreat from their positions in China, from a war they've been fighting for many years because they couldn't fuel their armies, or they had to go find an alternate source of fuel which happened to be owned by the British and the Dutch and so forth. And, and so we backed them into a corner until they attacked us. And the unfortunate thing is like, you know, just like with, with Russia, you know, if, if, if they're ever successful in getting Putin to like start striking staging areas in Poland or something. I mean, people like you and me, dude, like, we're going to be just like the America first movement was in December 8, 1941. I mean, it's just nobody's going to remember any of the stuff that we did to help push that situation and get it there. Everybody's going to go crazy and nobody's going to want to hear it. And you know, it's just, It. Yeah, it's, it's just very upsetting. Sorry, I'm black pilled today, man.

[Scott Horton]

Well, yeah, it's some ugly things. So, you know, it's funny about, you know, security is a government program, right? So like, the thing that I learned that I was most wrong about and most surprised about last June was the ease in with which they took out all the anti aircraft that Mossad and, and you know, whatever Israeli military intelligence assets and whoever had infiltrated the country well enough and had sabotage missions enough, or at least had identified every SN3 site that they needed and just obliterated the anti aircraft on the way in there and just ruled the airspace virtually uncontested the whole time, which I thought it would have been a lot harder than that. And so, and who knows? I mean, Iran is a big country and again, security is a government program. So you could see them just being lax for, you know, all kinds of close enough for government work type, you know, bureaucratic reasons. So then to this tweet by Mike Pompeo, the former director of the CIA and Secretary of State, Iranian regime is in trouble. Claims they're bringing in mercenaries to crush the protests. And then some nonsense about numerology here. And then he says, happy New Year to every Iranian in the streets, also to every Mossad agent walking beside them. So the thing is, there you could say, oh, he admits it or whatever, but you could also look at it like, oh, it's kind of a scop. He's kind of picking on them and trying to make them paranoid. That, like, ooh, it's the Israelis, you know, are manipulating everything, they're behind everything, or whatever. Then again, the Israelis do have unlimited money from the American people, and they have the help of the CIA and the MI6 and whatever. And again, Iran's a big country, and so. And again, they have been able to infiltrate their guys into there to a great degree. Well, to whatever degree. I don't know. So. And I just don't know. I really should have checked Max Blumenthal's Twitter before we went on tonight, man. He'll be. He and Kit Klarenberg and those guys will be first on it. If there's real evidence that USAID and ned, IRI and NDI and the rest of the gang, Soros groups and the rest were involved in this thing, I. There's plenty of evidence that they were involved in 2009. In fact, Kenneth Timmerman, a real hawk who is from the National Endowment for Democracy, boasted about that in an interview with Newsmax in 2009 during the Green Revolution, that you damn right that the. The Ned was supporting those protesting, which all they were doing was supporting Mousavi to be the president when he was the Ayatollah's man anyway. They all are, you know what I mean? Wasn't going to be much of a Green Revolution either way. He was going to be one click to the more American, maybe, you know, but pretty small click, but failed anyway. But so, I mean, there's every reason to be suspicious here about intervention. And the people of Iran can have all kinds of legitimate grievances. You know, I figure as much as I hate politicians, if they were trying to dictate my religion to me, or if it was my religious leader trying to dictate my politics to me, I think I'd like them even less. And so, you know, I stand with all people in the world who want to secede from their regime's authority, but I stand against the US Government or any of its allies intervening in any way or putting their thumb on the scale in any way. In these people's countries, man, they could very well be replaced by somebody worse.

[Daryl Cooper]

And there are no libertarians in countries like this for a reason, you know, and it's that it's easy for us to say those things. And, but over there, I mean, they have the world empire breathing down their neck, like, literally trying to destroy their country, you know, and, and, and they've got examples of how that goes, like recent examples how that goes. And so, you know, the idea that, like, you're going to have a government that's any, I mean, look, look at what, how, how, how thoroughly Israel had infiltrated Iran before that sneak attack earlier last year. I mean, when you got stuff like that going on, I mean, you almost have to be a police state or just hang up your boots and like just let somebody else do it. I mean, because like, there's just, there's no way to resist it if you're going to do that. Like the idea that, you know, you can just have sort of a free and open government for your politicians to get bribed and you know, do what. Like, it's just, you have to have a certain amount of authoritarianism. Just like we recognize this always in the United States and every western country. You know, for all the talk about freedom of speech, when we get into like a real, real war, we don't have freedom of speech. They'll throw you in jail for saying that we shouldn't be at war.

[Scott Horton]

You know, and look at everywhere that they operate over there. I mean, look at, take Russia for example. When they say freedom of speech in Russia, they are talking about anti Putinist, pro American sock puppet parties that they would like to install in power that they will bankroll with millions of dollars. You have the phony. I don't. If you remember the Snow revolution, they all wore white ribbons in 2011. Michael McFall and Hillary Clinton trying to push this thing, an alliance between right wing nationalists to the right of Putin and Moscow liberals, you know, New York Times reading Moscow liberals, you know, as a coalition to try to oppose Putin. So like you're saying, you loosen up your political system at all. America's coming, man. We're going to squeeze right in there. And for all of their talk, it's so funny to listen to them. And I remember this from when I was, you know, in high school and whatever, like in the Clinton years, the way they talked about spreading democracy and teaching democracy and all this stuff is like, has there ever been an election where the Ned and George Soros organizations helped them hold it, but they didn't give a damn who won? And in fact, they'd have been perfectly happy to have the pro Russian guy win as long as you're obeying and work in the process. See, democracy, that's what we really care about. Like, give me a break, dude. No one believed that for a moment. Look at where they intervene and how they intervene and say Belarus in 2001, 2005 and 2020. That's all because they think that Lukashenko, why he's he's mean and bad. And those people, we care so much about, the Belarusian people, that we just want them to have new, better leadership. And you know what? If that new, better leadership is even closer to the Kremlin than this guy, well, that would be okay, if that's what the people of Belarus want yet. No, that's not how those played out ever. Three major attempts to overthrow Belarus in the last 25 years.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah. And that's something worth thinking about. You know, the. On the heels of Syria falling, you know, if, man, if, if they're successful in taking down the Iranian regime, I, I think you're going to see what, you know, what vassals and, and dependent states and allies that Russia has start to get really, really skittish. You know, I mean, it. I, I think that they would. That Russian prestige among their own allies would take a pretty huge hit if Iran goes down. I mean, it's a, you know, it almost seems like when you go back to the earlier examples, you go Back to like 2001 in Belarus, you know, most people didn't even know that was going on. Like, most. Unless you were, like, politically engaged, you had no idea what was even going on today. Nobody believes that any of this is for democracy or blah, blah, blah. Nobody believes that the Internet has made it so that everybody knows. Nobody has any illusions. All of that is gone. And so what that's done. Rather than the people in charge sort of like taking that into account and adjusting course a little bit. Instead they're just like, all right, fine, mask off. And it's just hard. Power all the way. We're not even asking. We're telling. We're not asking the American people if they want to be involved. We're not trying to go them into it with ideas of mushroom clouds over Chicago and Iraq, wmd. No, we don't. We don't care anymore. We're not even going to try to sell you on it, you know, and, and I guess that's what you got to do if you're going to keep doing it. I mean, it's. Yeah. You know, it just, it's very disappointing because the thing is, like, populist movements like the Trump movement got all these people, like a lot of the groiper types all, you know, a lot of the younger guys who just think like, well, okay, like we can. You know, they don't like J.D. vance, and they have their reasons and that's fine. And they think like, okay, well, you know, we're gonna. If he doesn't do what we want, we're going to go against Vance in 2028, and if he loses and we get eight years of a Democrat, that's fine. Like, we'll regroup and blah, blah, blah. It's like, dude, these things come around like once every 60, 70, 80 years if you're lucky. And, you know, to have, to have a movement like this come to nothing, which is really where, I mean, where this is headed. It looks like this whole MAGA thing is really looking like a, like a bad joke. It's a man.

[Scott Horton]

It's destroyed everything. Israel, America first or Israel instead. And Trump has made his choice here.

[Daryl Cooper]

You know, he's definitely made his choice. And, you know, the thing that's so sad about it is he could have been like a super, super, super strong ally of Israel, make George W. Bush look like, you know, the Ayatollah, and still not just allow Benjamin Netanyahu to put a leash around his neck and march him around on TV every few days just to rub it in our face, you know, and, but it's. Yeah, I don't know, man. Like, I've, I, you know, I heard from somebody who knows a lot more people than I know and a lot of more important than people, more important people than I know and knows them well, he's a hundred percent convinced, and not based on, according to him, on speculation, but based on firsthand knowledge that Trump feels like he's under an assassination threat from the Israelis if he doesn't do what they want. I don't know what to make of that. On one hand, it feels like it's just kind of cope, like, just don't want to accept the fact that this is just who this guy is, you know? Yeah, but, but that's how he's acting. I mean, it really is.

[Scott Horton]

You know what, he's got a big shitty grin on his face during all of this stuff.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

He doesn't have a gun to his head.

[Daryl Cooper]

Those aren't hotball videos. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, but that is how he's, that's, that's, you know, I don't know how he would behave differently other than the shitty grin, you know, if that was the case. And, and just the way that, you know, he could have been like, israel, do whatever you want. But, you know, we're focused over here on all the MAGA stuff, you know, trade and domestic policy and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But no, I mean, he went from, like, running on. The biggest mistake we ever made was getting into the Middle east and getting into these conflicts into the Middle East. And, you know, we focus too much on this area of the world. We should be focusing on China and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. All this stuff, and that's just all gone. I mean, it's just like everything else is an afterthought. Immigration's an afterthought. Everything else is an afterthought. And he's losing his younger base. Anybody that's engaged, like, online, who's, like, young enough.

[Scott Horton]

What was it you that was saying that he really needs to get back on Twitter, that he was, like, really missing the second half of him being on Twitter before was the feedback, and he's just not getting that on True Social in the way that he used to.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, maybe. I mean, that could. That, you know, I. I posed that question, I think, on Twitter earlier myself, is. Or maybe I was just responding to something that somebody said. Like, I think, honestly, like, Trump probably has no idea that a huge chunk of his base feels betrayed by all this.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. I mean, they all get stuck in a bubble. At that level of power. He would have to have. Remember, people are like, maybe Baron, his son will tell him something. You know what I mean? Like, his son told him to go on the Theo Vaughan Show. So maybe his son will tell him, hey, dad, you know, there's a. There's a segment out there that don't, like there. You know what I mean? But because. Because we're all sort of desperate to figure out, like, what. By what avenue could you get this information to him that these views exist out here?

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah. And I mean, I know people. We know people who. Who do talk to Trump personally, who are really, like, in that. Facing the dilemma that David Hackworth faced during Vietnam. You know, the question of, like, do I. I see what's going on here is crazy, and it's messed up. Do I go out in public and start speaking about this and burn all my bridges and all of my ability to have any influence over what's. And to try to mitigate some of this, or do I keep my mouth shut and be a good soldier so that, you know, even if on the margins, I can kind of try to steer this thing in the right direction? And there are a lot of people who. Who are in that position right now and. And have told, by the way, y. You know, and some, you know, somebody asked earlier in the chat, you know, if. If Trump keeps us out of war in Iran and Venezuela, then, you know, would you consider his. Whatever, his administration, like, a net success or whatever? No, because these situations didn't exist before. Like we weren't going to, we weren't going to war with Iran and Venezuela under Biden and Trump somehow like saved us from it. Like this all came out of nowhere, you know, so.

[Scott Horton]

No. All right, so hold that thought for a second. Let's do a little bit of business here. First of all, get yourself some gourmet coffee here from Mundo's Artisan Coffees. You know, Phil Pepin is my caffeine dealer over there at Mundos. Get it? They hate Starbucks. So it's Mundos and he sends me all the reviews, he forwards me the emails when people leave great reviews for the coffee. It's really good coffee. And I know there's a million kinds of coffee out there, but this is the best stuff, so you should get some. And you know what I was thinking, be cool is I wonder if any restaurant owners out there would like to start selling Scott Horton show brand coffee, man, something like that. That'd be cool. You think about the gallons of coffee drunk in this country every day. If we could figure out how to market this stuff real good. Just take a picture of that QR code there. And also, well, I hit the wrong button, but I got a what I do well, that wasn't the right one. Oh, this is the one I hit here. And now I can minimize that. And then I'll be able to hit on Matt Circe here. He is a heroic tax attorney, tax planning attorney for small businesses and high income professionals. I know we would all like for an asteroid to land on IRS headquarters, but the deal is you do have to pay your taxes, but what you want to do is avoid as many of them as you can. And this guy, Matt Sersley is a real expert. He will help you set up whatever you know, if you need. S Corp taxation rules or however you know is best to fit your needs to make sure that you pay every penny that you have to pay and not one penny more, not one nickel more. Pennies don't exist anymore. They inflated them out of existence, but not one nickel more than they are, you know, do under the law, not under what's right to take from you. So Matt Sersley, he's as anti government as you are and he will help save you from the tax man. And he supports good anti government podcasts like this one. And also you know what, he supports the Tom woods show, which advertises for Matt Sersley too. And the Tom woods show is where Daryl had a really great episode, the first episode of the year over there about the war on the right over Israel and interventionism. Fantastic interview there. Tom woods episode, whatever it is. So Everybody check out TomWoods.com there and here on the YouTubes and all that for that great interview. And then, Oh, I want to switch to a little bit of the. The domestic side. Daryl of the. The Hasbara War here. I don't know if you saw this, but it was. I just laughed my ass off, literally out loud. When did you see that? CBS has a new America first ad campaign. We're American patriots, dude. We're proud. Like, I don't know why they're not, like, sitting on the hood of a Ford truck in the ad or whatever. Like, got an eagle and a bud. Like, oh, we're Americans. Like, dude, we all know what you're compensating for over there. CBS News. All of a sudden, the most patriotic bald eagle. Benjamin Franklin, Americanist News Channel. Yeah, right, dude. As Bill Hicks might say, we can see right through you. So I just. I got a kick out of that. Just seeing the desperation of the. Of the Hasbrists here. Another one. I interviewed Jason Jones today from the Vulnerable People Project. He's a Catholic conservative, you know, Save the Children type. And he was talking about just this whole propaganda narrative that Netanyahu is debuting now that Israel stands with the Christians of the Middle East. And Jason Jones is like, man, don't make me die laughing over this. When you look at who is killing Christians in the Middle east, it's Israel and their Turkish and Indian allies and of course, their jihadi allies in Syria. And previously, the civil war and the chaos, the Shiite and Sunni militias that persecuted and destroyed the Christian communities in Iraq War two. And so. Which, of course, was at Israeli behest. And. And, you know, we talked about the confusion where most Americans just assume that the Israeli Jews are on the Christian side because they're our greatest ally and all of that stuff, right? So it's sort of. And they're surprised to learn that, you know, a fifth or so of the Palestinian Arabs are actually Christians. And it's the Israeli Jews who are bombing them and their Muslim neighbors alike, their churches and mosques together in the Gaza Strip and in the west bank and all of that stuff.

[Daryl Cooper]

So.

[Scott Horton]

But again, it goes to show the desperation of the. I think it's gotta be fallen really flat, right? You're gonna have some Protestant churches where they're like, wow, yeah, Netanyahu says he loves us Christians, but everybody else, well, more and more, I think, are just seeing through the desperation in that. What do you think?

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, I mean, I think they know that that's the case. I wonder really, though, how much they care, how much they really think it's an issue, you know, that public opinions turning against them. As long as, as long as they maintain control, the levers of, you know, the, the levers of state in the, in the US and, and the other countries they care about. Like, you know, I, I don't know. I don't, I don't. I think that. I think that they are very comfortable with, you know, the, the, There's a lot of people in the U.S. you know, are like, you know, sort of dissident politics on either side who talk about the possibility of revolution or civil war or just the people not taking it anymore. And there's no evidence that people in the US Are remotely will. I mean, we told, we told people, you're not allowed to go to church or we'll arrest you and throw you in jail. And in places like California, it was the case for like a year and a half. People didn't do anything, you know, and so I think that they just feel like, yeah, the people will get really mad and what they'll do about it is they'll go online and complain and they'll see that more and more people are starting to agree with them and they're complaining online and they'll think they're, you know, they'll think that some kind of progress is being made and, and then now. But meanwhile, the next domino falls and, you know, we'll. If, if there's publicity fallout, we'll deal with that later. I mean, I just. They don't seem particularly concerned about it, you know.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, well, of course it's divided, right? The lobby is multifaceted and there are people who are, you know, take different, you know, approaches to the thing. I wonder what you think about not the Somali fraud, but the PR about the Somali fraud. Now. I think it's pretty organic and that the thing is just completely outrageous. And then Elon Musk retweeted it, and then that's a pretty big deal. You know what I mean? There you go. That might be all the explanation you need. Then again, though, I saw where that kid Shirley who went around and did the reports. He previously did the most ridiculous kind of sock puppet, potemkin tour type YouTube video for the Israelis and justifying the war in Gaza. And, you know, he, he fits a stereotype to me. You know what I mean? I, I shouldn't assume too much about him. But then somebody came and brought this up in my mentions today, asking me whether I got paid to retweet that thing and said that, well, Clint Russell said someone offered to pay him to retweet it. And then Clint, and he's a friend of mine, Clint Russell from Liberty Lockdown, he showed up in the comments and said that. Yeah, after he had already retweeted it. Anyway, someone came and offered to pay him and, and then there's a video of him explaining, but I didn't have time to watch the video. So I don't know like exactly the explanation there, but it seemed to me like the, you know, we have here. Oh, I have it here, don't I watch this. And I know that you already know about this. See if I can get this tab good and shared. This is Ryan Grim at Drop Site News here. And this came out. Oh man, don't do that to me. This came out a few weeks ago, Israel considered a genocidal apartheid country abroad, according to Israel's own research. Mark Penn, that is one of Hillary Clinton's guys, did some public relations work for them. And so we come down here, we have, you know, everybody thinks that they're murderers and overwhelmingly kill civilians. And then, but here's the punchline. Israel's best tactic to combat this, according to the study, is to oment fear of radical Islam and jihadism, which remains high, the research finds, by highlighting Israeli support for women's rights and gay rights while elevating concerns that Hamas wants to destroy, quote, destroy all Jews and spread jihadism, end quote. Israeli support rebounded by an average of over 20 points in each country, quote, especially once the situation in Gaza is resolved. The room for growth in all countries is very significant. So, you know, and it makes sense on the face of it, right, that once the headlines are out of the news about the current chaos and that's drop site news again. Ryan Grimm, once the, the worst of the slaughter is out of the news and starts, you know, fading from attention, then they're relying on the fact that they can demonize Muslims as a bunch of foreign language speaking, you know, brown skinned faces covered, suicide bomber, jihadi terrorist, Muslim infiltrator guys. And the Israelis are, I mean, basically from New York and New Jersey, right? Like they're, a lot of them are half Americans anyway. Like clearly there are guys and the other guys, you picture a Muslim in a ninja costume with a bomb in his hand or whatever, the eternal enemy over there, you're not on their side, are you? Compared to Israel, which is somehow a State in our union or something like that. And, and then that's it. And then, you know, it's funny to me because I don't know if you remember it this way, but the way I remember it was once Trump got in there and he made his big deal, why won't they say radical Islam and all that crap when he was running for president in 16, remember that? Then once he got in there and they made it all about Russiagate and then they made it all about COVID and all of that Ukraine gate and then Covid, everybody totally forgot about the Bin Ladenites. I mean, even during Obama times when he's supporting the Bin Laden knights in Libya and Syria, they're still talking a game about, you know, there are terrible terrorists out there somewhere and we still need the police state to protect you from them and everything. But I seem to remember that they went like six or eight years without even mentioning the bin Laden nights at all. You'd have heard a lot more complaints about it from me than from actually like pro war types, from my paranoia about them coming to these shores or inspiring people on these shores to commit lone wolf attacks on that which we have had. And now all of a sudden, again, the same boomers who fell for Iraq and are supposed to be heard of it now and are into this Iran stuff, all of a sudden they want to hear about radical Islam again. Oh yeah, the Muslims are just conquering the, the whole country. They're taking over our whole society. And then you know what, like right when this came out, Ben Shapiro's guy, Matt Walsh has his whole thing about the call to prayer in Dearborn, which I ain't for that there's problems with all this mass immigration, I don't know. But the question is, you know, how much emphasis is put on these stories and by who and with what kind of public relations behind them. And we see those stories about Dearborn and then now we see this expose of the fraud in Minnesota. As Ryan Dawson pointed out on his blog, this Minnesota thing has been publicly known since 2014. Now, maybe it wasn't, you know, the viral story that it became until Elon Musk retweeted it. And I'm not saying anybody put Elon Musk up to retweeting it or anything like that, but just that kid, surely he's at least a little bit suspicious. And it, it would seem to go along with the idea that now is time for major anti Muslim psyops in America to remind people of why we need Israel. I just saw a Clip. One more tangent. I just saw a clip of a Christian preacher today at a Jewish function and saying America needs Israel to fight our enemies for us over there or we'd have to fight them ourselves. You know, we need them to protect us from the, the vanguard of the Islamic conquest of the West. Which of course, everybody who believes this, everyone on the right who believes this also knows that it's the Liberal Democrats who brought all these people here. Qu. Quite deliberately. This, this is not. There is no caliphate over there other than the ones that we keep building for them. But anyway, say things now, Mr. Historian.

[Daryl Cooper]

Well, yeah, this isn't history. I talk about the more modern contemporary stuff. I don't know anything about the Shirley kid. Is he from Minnesota?

[Scott Horton]

I'm not sure.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, so I don't know anything about him. The fact that he likes Israel or whatever, that really doesn't, I mean, whatever. There's a lot of people who are vaguely conservative who like Israel and aren't, you know, necessarily part of an OP or something. I kind of, I guess I just, I, it's possible, I mean, that, that these two things, like, it's at least that it's being promoted for reasons that have to do with that. But I don't know, I try to be, I, I, I try to be a little bit more judicious about like, when it comes to like our Middle east policy. Yeah, I'm 100% that guy. Israel runs our country. Israel is, we're completely Zionist occupied government, 100% down the line when we're talking about US Middle Eastern policy. You know, I don't, I try to avoid, like, unless it really, there's a real reason to do it, like ascribing everything that happens to Israel, you know, like, I, I feel like they probably, I mean, it just seems like it's.

[Scott Horton]

A narrower than everything. I mean, if you go back to the whole thing about we got to pass all these state laws to prevent Sharia law, that thing was run by a guy named Rabbi Yoru Shami from Brooklyn.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, no doubt that happened.

[Scott Horton]

He was trying to, he was trying to protect the people of Utah and Colorado and Texas from Sharia law. No, he wasn't. He's trying to make you hate and fear Muslims because he thinks you're a piece of. And he's trying to control your mind and make you hate Israel's enemy so you'll help him and his friends kill people and steal property from them. That's what that whole thing was about. Give me a break. Y Never met Anyone named Y R Shami where I'm from.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, that's true. All that's true. It just doesn't necessarily mean that, like, the next case that comes up, you know, that's critical of a Muslim immigrant community or something is. Is a part of that. It could be. And it's something I guess, to be, to be aware of, but I don't know. I guess I try to look at that case on its own merits. I mean, it's. It's pretty. Like, it's. It's pretty. Yeah, it's been around for a long time, that story, like. But it hasn't been quantified and it hasn't really been like, you know, reported out and pursued and it still hasn't, obviously, like, this YouTuber going and. Yeah, they like this YouTuber going and knocking on some doors and demanding to go into the daycare and take film of the children in there. And them saying no is not as big of a story actually, like, by itself. But, you know, the thing is, like, no doubt, I'm sure there's a huge amount of that kind of fraud going on. Why? Because it's possible. And if it's possible, then people are going to do it. When you have like, a very, like, cloistered, enclosed immigrant community like that that doesn't talk to outsiders and looks after their own and has like, family networks that. Of people that they know they can trust. I mean, you run into a lot of that kind of stuff. I mean, you go back 100 years ago. It was the local Democrat Party, Democratic parties in the big cities. They ran the big cities in league with Jewish and Italian mobsters, you know, the, the most recent immigrants at the time. And that, that alliance between state and local Democratic officials and immigrant organized crime is. It's an old American tradition. I mean, it goes back Tammany hall, you know, and, and so I think, you know, the, the real story. I mean, there's a couple things about it. Like, one, anybody who's surprised that this kind of thing would happen in a community like that just. It doesn't live around communities like that. You know, there's. You see down, like, you know, if you live. If you go down and live in like, Orange county or different parts of la where there's a lot of Arabs, every once in a while you'll go to like a Walmart and you'll see two or three women who are all buying just like, nothing but like, cases of Pepsi and Mountain Dew and Dr. Pepper with their EBT cards and loading them into their. Loading them into their expensive SUV and driving to the convenience store that all three of their husband, one guy owns and stocking the shelves with stuff they bought with their EBT cards. Like, that kind of stuff just goes on. It's like. It's something that happens, you know, And. And. And it.

[Scott Horton]

It.

[Daryl Cooper]

Like, it's not surprising at all that this is going on in Minnesota. But, I mean, it's just. It's. It's. This one is particularly interesting.

[Scott Horton]

He wants to pay Clint, though, to retweet it. That's what bothers me.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah. Because Clint, if you get this dude, you got to. You got to name names, man. Like, if you sell my.

[Scott Horton]

He may have. He may have. It's my fault. I didn't watch the video. But the lady, you know, a stranger in my mentions says, he explains in this video, but I didn't have time to watch it before our show tonight.

[Daryl Cooper]

But somebody. Man, I've never. I've never had any offer to blame me for anything. Yeah, guess I'm cool.

[Scott Horton]

Especially for something that you already tweeted, you know, and, you know, when I retweeted, I quote, tweeted it and said, yeah, it's really offensive when freeloaders like Somalis and Israelis steal from us in this way. So if they were trying to manipulate me, I neutralized them back.

[Daryl Cooper]

You know, there is definitely a thing where, you know, Israel is like this proxy. Like this. This outlet for American conservatives who aren't allowed to be really nationalists. They're not really allowed to be racist. They're not really allowed to. Like, Israel is like this outlet where they can be all of those things. They can get it all out of their system on a totally safe target where you hate the Palestinians. I want them all dead. You know, kill them all. Kill their children, bathe in their blood. And it's fine. You know, it's totally fine. Like, you're not gonna get. You know, you're not even. You're not gonna have anything happen to you. You know that if you said it about literally any other group of people, then, you know, you'd have. You'd have a problem. I mean, it reminds me of when. Remember when. When the Ukraine war kicked off and Facebook changed its. Its rules, its terms of service to allow calling for the death of Russians only specifically because you're not praising a Nazis. Yeah. Yeah. And like, you know, and so there's definitely some of that, like, you know, it's. That's. It's. It's the safe outlet, you know, all it's just. And a lot of the anti Muslim stuff that gets pushed around, the paranoia and whatnot, no question is, you know, is an Israeli PR tactic. I mean it's, you know, it is tough though because like you gotta, you have to be able to kind of separate those two things and recognize that, you know, this isn't something that the Israelis are making up, it's something that they're playing off of and amplifying. That is real. That's what I meant.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. As I said, yeah, this has been a thing for a very long time, but now there seems to be a big push and it would make sense even if the kid surely wasn't put up to it anyway. It would just make sense that like, why would Fox News like this story so much? What, you know what I mean, serves their interests, make people afraid of people who they have power on this level but ultimately are nothing compared to say for example, the Israel lobby pushing us into another war or something like that. Now I think this is important here. I'm sure you may have seen this on cnbc. This guy's name is. Oh, I'm sorry, I had it a minute ago. It was. Oh, it says it right here. Shlomo Kramer, an Israeli billionaire comes and he says, specifically he doesn't just say, oh, you know, your speech this, that he names our First Amendment for elimination networks.

[Daryl Cooper]

Slomo Kramer, also one of the founders of Checkpoint, another big cyber company.

[Scott Horton]

Shlomo, it's great to have you here.

[Daryl Cooper]

Welcome.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Thank you for having me.

[Scott Horton]

How is AI cyber warfare shaping geopolitics right now?

[Shlomo Kramer]

So AI is going to revolutionize cyber warfare is revolutionized cyber warfare from critical infrastructure to the fabric of society and politics and undermining it, giving unfair advantage to the credit union, governments against democratic countries, First Amendment type of.

[Daryl Cooper]

That's already happening.

[Shlomo Kramer]

That's already happening. You're seeing the polarization in countries that allow for the First Amendment and protect it, which is great and I know it's difficult to hear, but it's time to limit the First Amendment in order to protect it and quickly before it's too late.

[Daryl Cooper]

What do you mean?

[Shlomo Kramer]

I mean that we need to control the platforms, all the social platforms we need to stack, rank the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves online and take control over what they are saying based on that ranking. The government, the government should show, all the social media should do that. And we need to educate people again.

[Scott Horton]

So there you go, dude. Anti zionism is cyber war. And so no one should be allowed to go on the Internet without what, I guess scanning their eyeball and verifying their ID somehow. And then you should be able to say whatever you want. Unless this guy doesn't like it. In which case the first amendment to the US Constitution which says okay government, we'll let you exist under the following declaratory and restrictive clauses to prevent misconstruction or abuse of your powers that yeah, for one thing, Congress has no authority whatsoever to pass a law curtailing the freedom of speech any more than they can tell you what church you can go to. Or not. Daryl Cooper. So speaking of black pills, I guess that is where we are. All right, now we're up on the end of the show here. I wanted to talk about the Saudi backed jihadis fighting the UAE backed jihadis. No, fighting the UAE backed ex commies of the Southern Transitional Council there in Yemen. But we ain't got time for that madness. But it's [e-mail] right now and, and please keep your eyes everybody on the, the plight of the poor Palestinians suffering in their, in their camps, in the rain and in the cold and in there. I mean little kids dying and people living in bombed up.

[Daryl Cooper]

It's horrible.

[Scott Horton]

Anyway, so now is the part of the show brought to you by the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom. Sign up for the Scott Horton Academy and you will learn a bunch of stuff. A bunch of stuff. My new Cold War course is up there. You learn the reality of the Israel Palestine conflict from the great Ramsey Barud and Debunking Christian Zionism with Adam francisco. It's Scott Hortonacademy.com and it's the comments brought to you by the Scott Horton Academy. So let's see if we can go through some of these comments here. Let me blab about this while I page through comments. Boy, we got a lot to page through here. Let me BLAB about this Mr. Cooper. You know what I done seen today on Tubes was Ian Carroll interviewed on the Tucker Carlson Show. Did you see that? You know what I'm talking about?

[Daryl Cooper]

I saw that it did exist.

[Scott Horton]

It does exist. So here's what it's about. It's about Las Vegas, October 2017 and the horrible, horrible massacre that took place there and the COVID up. And you know I had a bad impression that guy first because like the first thing I ever heard him say was some kind of half baked stuff about Israel, Palestine. And I was like yeah, phooey. But I, I have a new appreciation for him in watching this interview. He was very careful about most of what he said as far as like, no, we don't really know this, but it looks like maybe matters. And here's something that jumped out at me. And he seemed very fair in the way he did it when he was speculating, he said he was speculating and all that. It was less truth or kooky and more just, I'm interested in this cover up, which I like that kind of stuff. You know, me, I'm a Oklahoma bombing company till the end. So it was a bunch of FBI informant neo Nazis that did it. Who cares? Anyway, so Carol says he's compiling this information from a lot of other researchers. And I had seen this video by this lady Mindy something a couple of years ago where she definitely proved that there was gunfire going on all down the Strip at these different locations up the Strip, I guess for like more than an hour after the whole thing was supposedly over. And there are all kinds of other anomalies such as the first body cam footage shows no shell casings, no broken glass, no broken window in the main room of his and which I remember seeing that myself. There were some things and I wanted to interview this lady Mindy something, but I never got around to it because I'm always working on a book or some kind of damn thing. And so I never did it. And but he's, what he's talking about is right along the same lines of what, what she was saying about there are definitely multiple shooters involved. It's very questionable the role that this guy Paddock had at all. There are, I believe, legitimate questions about whether there was fire from helicopters. I, I, he goes on this kind.

[Daryl Cooper]

Of, to what end? Like what is he, what's the speculation about why?

[Scott Horton]

Well, that's the thing. So he says, so he goes, well, who would possibly commit such a ruthless act against Americans? And then he deduces and others have two that he's borrowing from, that it would have been pro bin Ladenites and maybe if not like, you know, scumbag box cutter bin Ladenites, but like helicopter pilot bin Laden nights, you know what I mean, at the top of, of Saudi society that they would have done it and that this would have been part of the faction fight with Muhammad bin Salman taking over the country and arresting Mohammed bin Nayef, the Crown Prince and replacing him and arresting Bin Talal and all of these different guys and consolidating his power really for the more modernists against the more reactionary kind of King Fahd era bin Ladenite simp types, which I still don't think that's right, man. I think when you're talking about the real elite levels of Saudi Arabia running the bin Ladenites, I think that's much more business and, and cooperation with America and Britain in doing stuff like that, rather than like true ideological commitment inside the leadership of their intelligence services and stuff. I could be wrong about that, but I, I don't really like his. His answer, but he doesn't either. Like, he was. He admitted it was speculation enough, but it was kind of starting from. But like, who is going to really unload into a crowd of Americans like that? You would have to. That's the kind of thing a bin Ladenite would do. It's kind of hard.

[Daryl Cooper]

I can't think of any examples where they don't take credit for their acts, though.

[Scott Horton]

That's true. Well, and he made it sound like, you know, it was like a year later that MBS murdered Khashoggi and he made it sound like he thought that Khashoggi was in on it with the bin Ladenite side, which Khashoggi did support the bin Ladenites in Syria. I know that, but. And it was when Ben Solomon came to power is when Saudi started backing down on Syria in 2014. 15.

[Daryl Cooper]

So.

[Scott Horton]

But then of course he, I and I got a real prejudice against mbs though, because of the Yemen war. But then whatever. That's beside the point of like this in the scheme of things. There was this massive fight inside the Royal Family and Ian seemed to think that that was. Had something to do with happening in Vegas. I, I don't really get that part of it, but I, I don't know what was going on, but I think it's absolutely clear that there were multiple shooters and multiple scenes all over the place. But, you know, even I think he pointed out that like, here you have this massacre and then you have all these reports of gunfire up the Strip, but you don't have a lot of innocent people killed up the Strip. It doesn't seem like you have just some lady murdered in cold blood at the Bellagio, but. Which is. But we do have lots of reports of gunshots there from all different people calling it. It's. Anyway, I don't know, it's really something, man.

[Daryl Cooper]

The excuse, right, is that, you know, in a place like the Strip with all those tall buildings, just that those gunshots just echo up and down, right? I mean.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, no, no, this is like multiple employees, security guards, people calling their gunshots at this far. And this is way after Paddock supposedly already dead. The gunfire from the Hotel has stopped. Whatever's going on at that part of strip is over. And this is, and I've heard these 911 calls. They, they have the timestamps on them where. And this is the part I, I didn't do any damn research at all. I watched Mindy Something's documentary is what I did. And she shows this, that this was going on for like an hour or something after. And, and he references all kinds of people who seemingly were shot from ground level, were shot when they were behind a concrete barricade on the other side of the hotel or from the hotel where they were, you know, and then got shot. Anyway. There's really some suspicious stuff there. And I really don't like kook stuff because I used to be much more of a conspiracy guy. And that's when I was stupid and young and wrong about things. And I don't like being wrong about stuff very much. So I, I have a real allergy to this kind of thing. But I do think they're lying their asses off about what all happened there. And I think there is a massive cover up.

[Daryl Cooper]

I guess I'm just trying to figure out, you know, when I for sure, like there's a ton of stuff that never made sense about the Vegas shooting. No question about it. Especially, especially just given their caginess about the whole thing from the beginning, you know. But, you know, if somebody has a theory about it, like, I'll watch the, I'll watch the interview with Ian. If somebody has a theory, the first thing I want to know is like, who benefited and, and how from it, you know, like the old Alex Jones idea of like false flag shootings in Sandy Hook or whatever is. They want to take our guns and it's like, okay. But they never did. So, you know, I take, I don't, I don't.

[Scott Horton]

But they never had a motive for. There's no official, even claimed motive for even the official story of why. This is a weird guy, right?

[Daryl Cooper]

He was like a private pilot who would fly out of the country a lot. He was a millionaire who supposedly made all his money from playing video poker or some idiotic, you know, nonsense like that. You know, independently wealthy, but nobody knows how. He didn't work for anybody and nobody really knew, knew who he was. They didn't have any, like, close associates that could be interviewed. Just this like, non person kind of guy with millions of dollars in a private pilot license.

[Scott Horton]

Carol thought he was just a patsy. Carol thought he got lured there under the idea that he was going to Sell some guns. He was a gun guy who had a lot of guns and that he was maybe lured there on the idea that he was going to do some business. And then all this stuff happened because.

[Daryl Cooper]

What didn't have like, in his room there were like 50 guns or something. Right? And it's like, why would you even.

[Scott Horton]

Almost all of them are ARS semi automatics. And this whole thing about the bump stocks and all that. A bump stock does not a full auto M16 make, you know what I mean? And it's just, and even those are like mostly on burst, not just, you.

[Daryl Cooper]

Know, if you're gonna do something like that, like maybe bring a backup gun in case something goes wrong, but like basically have one gun and a ton of magazines. Like, why would you possibly. It's not like you're gonna make your escape with your 50 gun cases or something. That's very strange. So I don't know. Yeah, if you find that, if you find that, that, that video by Mindy, what's her name? Put it on Twitter or something so everybody can see it and I'll watch that. I've never, I've never seen much about like the gunshots going up and down the Strip or anything like that.

[Scott Horton]

And he did, he referenced her too. And he also referenced something that was called. I googled it. It's, it was like Vegas. Let me see if it'll just come up if I type it here, buddy, is Vegas map. Vegas shooting map dot com. All one word. Okay. Vegas shootingmap dot com and some anonymous person, he said made it. Doesn't have, doesn't take credit for it, but. And then it has pins in it and you can listen to all the 911 calls. You can see where people were shot and when. And all this huge, just tons of information there, the helicopter stuff. And you know, I had seen there was some weird things about the helicopters and what, There's a bit of speculation there, but it's worth looking at, man. I, I, it's one of those where, you know, I, I wouldn't begin to speculate about what the hell was going on there, but I, I do think that there's enough to really doubt that this one kook did this. And by the way, for no reason at all, you know what I mean? Like, there's definitely, I mean, again, I've seen that body cam footage when they first go in there and the windows aren't broken and, and Carol says that in the adjoining room, he thinks that the window was broken there. And I, I do believe I've seen pictures from outside that show at least one window was broken there. But it in the way they said when they f. And then they have pictures of broken glass and shell casings, but when you look at the body cam, there's no broken glass and shell casings, you know, and that's where they say the pictures are from. It's from like right here. And according to Carol, I don't know this, but according to him, the blood stains look like they're two different blood stains, one much older than the other, kind of overlapping and this kind of thing. Bit suspicious in some of those pictures. I don't know, man.

[Daryl Cooper]

Yeah, I mean, the one thing I do try to keep in mind is that we are in an age now where every so often, you know, a kid gets his parents gun and walks into his school and shoots up cafeteria, you know, like that is the world we live in now. And so there's people out there like that who just. They get. They tip over and you know, and fall off the edge and. And they end up doing something like that. And so I mean that's. That is always a possibility. Like the fact that there's no motive and all that. Yeah, it's definitely makes it worth questioning.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah.

[Daryl Cooper]

But you know, it's. It is also worth keeping in mind that I mean this stuff does happen, you know.

[Shlomo Kramer]

Yeah.

[Scott Horton]

I mean, look, I. I knew a kid, if you remember the kid that did the Parkland shooting in Florida. I knew a kid that was just like that, man. And I remember him even he had a tech 9 and joking and talking about how, man, it would be so funny, like go to a mall and just like start shooting people and watch them all screaming and running like he's like a 16 or 19 year old kid. Just like, yeah, that'd be great, dude, check out my new Snoop Dogg shirt. And he's just like an idiot kid, dude. And. And I remember going, come on man, like you don't really mean that. Like you really be hurting people and destroying people's families and destroying lives and like I'm a stupid kid and I'm a psycho too, but I ain't that crazy, you know?

[Daryl Cooper]

And then.

[Scott Horton]

And he's looking at me like what? Like, no, it would be funny, dude, can't you picture him screaming and running? That's funny. And this same kid ended up getting whacked or waxed. But I'm. I think he probably had it coming by the Williamson county sheriffs. They gunned him down in a. Like he came out shooting not much later after that. But he very well could have done a mass shooting like that because, like, yeah, dude, that would be radio.

[Daryl Cooper]

You know what I mean?

[Scott Horton]

Like, I was the extent of his thought on it, you know what I mean? Just like a. Yeah, low iq, kind of watch too much TV kind of crap, you know? This guy says, Scott King says, the new Seymour Hersh doc on Netflix. I don't know if you've seen it, it is good. And all of a sudden I just blanked on the name of it, but it is really great. It's called Cover Up. It starts out, of course, with his coverage of the Mili massacre and all this stuff. I would hasten to point people to the great Aaron Matei and Max Blumenthal. They have a new video where they debunk the lie, sort of by edit. The implication in the movie that Hirsch is retracting his 2013 guta sarin attack story when he retracted no such thing at all. They edited that. You know, it's pretty obviously weirdly edited, where he's saying, essentially, geez, I didn't know Assad could be that brutal. I knew he was bad, but I know he was that bad. And then they make it seem like he's saying that's the only reason that he thought that Assad did the sarina, didn't do the sarin attack was because, geez, I just couldn't believe that about him. But that's not what the story said, dude. And that's clearly not what he's saying in that part of the documentary. So it's a very good documentary, except for that part, and shame on Laura Poitras for that crap. But I guess that's what you have to be to be a liberal.

[Daryl Cooper]

Also, the guy who outed Robert Maxwell and his editor at the Daily Mail for being Mossad agents and probably, I mean, like, possibility at least that, you know, that. That, that his. That his breaking of that story led to Maxwell getting killed. You know, it's. Maxwell was.

[Scott Horton]

Oh, that's interesting. That's what led to him getting killed, I think.

[Daryl Cooper]

Look, I mean, they were getting to the point where Maxwell was going to get dragged into court and they were going to go through all the books of his pension fund and everything else and find out, where did all this money go? What did you do with it? Who are these shell companies? Why are they in Tel Aviv? You know, and so that, like. But he died. And none of that happened because there was no criminal prosecution, and so there was no discovery, forensic, financial discovery stuff like that. And it just became this sort of scandal of this dead corrupt guy who stole a bunch of money and that was that, you know.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah. So this guy says I'm wrong about. Israel had air dominance over Iran. They just had this narrow corridor and fired standoff missiles. But I guess my understanding was the first thing that they done was take out virtually all of the SM3s, are certainly over anywhere that they were flying. And although obviously the Americans helped, the American subs and ships helped with Tomahawks, and then they brought in the B2s. So I don't know if you call it total air dominance, but I don't remember a single Israeli plane getting shot down after bombing the crap out of the place for two weeks, so.

[Daryl Cooper]

Well, we don't need air.

[Scott Horton]

I'm not sure how much. I may have overstated that, quite frankly.

[Daryl Cooper]

We don't need air dominance to get our B2s anywhere. But, you know, it's. I. I honestly haven't. I haven't studied, like, the, the 12 Day War and, like, that level of detail where the Israeli planes were and stuff, So I don't know.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, all right, well, this guy's setting a very good example for everybody else here with his wonderful donation to our great show here. And so I don't know, man. I think we're almost done here and we're already way over time. Why don't you tell me a little bit about your podcast and when people can expect the Next episode there, Mr. Cooper?

[Daryl Cooper]

I don't know. I'm working on it. It's tough, you know, like, dude, if you can tell, like, my brain is totally fried right now, and I'm not really up on a lot of the stuff that's been on the news because basically, for the last week and a half, I've been completely buried in very detailed, like, academic essays on migration patterns in Central Eastern Europe in the aftermath of World War I. And so it's. Well, that's like, all you've been doing for like, a week and a half, and then you got to come and talk about current events. That's why I'm a little out of sorts. So I, you know, look, every time I'm reading that, I've been going through, like, a stack of books right now that I have to read to. To be able to put together a section in the middle of this episode and make it work. And I'm going through whole books that are absolutely necessary for me to read because I need to know the information. So I don't Say something stupid, something that's wrong about, you know, but I'll go through and read, like, five books for a. For a part of the podcast that realistically is going to be like five minutes long. But I have to read the stuff because I have to know it if I'm going to say, you know. And so it just. It takes a ton of time, man. Like, all I've been doing is reading books. And as far as when it's going to be done, I mean, the thing is, I don't. I don't have a process where it's like, you know, by this date, I'm gonna be 12% done, and by that date, 28% done. It just doesn't work like that. Like, I read through all my books. I write probably 10 pages for every page worth of material that makes it into the podcast itself. And then after a certain point, I start to lose my mind and get desperate enough that I just sit myself down and write it out and force myself to just, you know, to put it out. But I don't know, I would say I probably have at least another month of just. I got to get through this stack of books that's on my. That's on my side table. So.

[Scott Horton]

Oh, man, I have lived in that hell. I know.

[Shlomo Kramer]

I.

[Scott Horton]

You even just right here off screen, my pile of books, man, it. It's not funny. But, yeah, I don't like being an author. It's terrible. And what you're doing is the same thing, really. Then you just do a big Audi book, which is even worse than writing a book, doing an audiobook. So you're a real hero, man. I really can't wait till the next section of this. Till all the. All the great sections.

[Daryl Cooper]

I'll tell you this. I'll tell you it is going to be really good. Like, I've learned. I've learned so much about the post World War I period in Central and Eastern Europe. And like, I'm at. I'm at the part in the development of the episode where I'm. This is, like, this part is consistent, like, how this works. I'm at the part right now where, like, in my head, I completely understand how all of these. All of these things that happened in the immediate aftermath of World War I led to, you know, the real subject of the podcast, which is the rise of the National Socialists in World War II. In my head, it's like 100% clear. If you asked me to explain it to you right now, I'd start stuttering and stuff like, it's not that put together in that way. And so eventually it will be like, eventually I'll hit a point where it'll kind of crystallize and, and I'll, you know, I'll be able to sit and, and map it all out and, and describe it to you in a podcast and I can't wait. We'll get there. We'll get there.

[Scott Horton]

Y. All right. This guy asked about the new Cold War with China. I would recommend my colleague at the Libertarian Institute, Joe Solis Mullen wrote a great book called the Fake China Threat and its Very Real danger. Unlike Osama bin Laden's Islamo fascist caliphate. Hey, China actually exists and has H bombs and ICBMs. Thanks, Bill Clinton. And so, yeah, we might want to consider how we treat debt rising.

[Daryl Cooper]

I've actually never read any books about like, contemporary or recent US China relations, but if you want one that does describe kind of the longer term history, which is still. Is still interesting because it informs a lot obviously of what's going on now. There's one called the Beautiful country in the Middle Kingdom and it's a his the History of America Chinese Relations. It's actually pretty good.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, this guy says I'm a drama queen, but I'm reading it out of time, so I'm not sure what that's a reference to. Was I getting upset?

[Daryl Cooper]

He's a drama king. Gotch.

[Scott Horton]

Yeah, man.

[Daryl Cooper]

Hey, check it out, dude.

[Scott Horton]

I got a new Poison Idea record today. Chaos and Conquest. No, Confuse and Conquer. Sorry, I'm blind. I think it's their last album. 2015. So Pig was dead by then, so. Yeah. All right, let's call a night. Good night. This has been provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton. Be sure to like and subscribe to help us beat the propaganda algorithm. Go follow at Provoked Underscore show on X and YouTube and tune in next time. Time for more Provoked.