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Tonight, Unprovoked, me and Daryl talk about the war some more.
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All humans break. The difference between humans and gods is that gods can break, humans negotiate.
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Now end this war. You're watching Provoked with Daryl Cooper and Scott Horton debunking the propaganda lies of the past, present and future. This is Provoked. All right, you guys, welcome to Provoked. Dar Cooper, good to see you, buddy. How are you?
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I'm doing all right, considering.
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All right, well, good. We're recording this on Thursday, not because I'm traveling like usual, but because of the holiday. So anyway, recorded Thursday for playing on Friday. Presumably not too much will change before then. At issue here, I guess, to start would be, first of all, Donald Trump's speech on Wednesday night about the war in Iran. Daryl Cooper, give us your take.
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Well, you know, this being holy week for most people, apologies to the youth Eastern ortho bros out there. I have been trying my best to stay focused on the things of the Lord and not fill my head with fantasies of Donald Trump and his cabinet being strung up by the neck with piano wire. And so I skipped the speech because that was going to make that a lot more difficult. From what I've heard from other people, though, I didn't miss much except for a tired, possibly like, sick, just kind of rambling old man essentially reading his true social messages from the last few weeks again and again. That's what it sounded like. So I guess I'm glad I didn't watch.
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Fair enough. I will say that, you know, he essentially said we don't need to send in ground troops to steal the uranium because we can see what's going on with the uranium and we can see that nothing's happening there. And so that seemed like a pretty good climb down there. No more talk of sending in troops to reopen the Gulf now. Seymour Hersh read that wrong. Read that differently. I just saw. I haven't read his piece yet that he sent out today, but somebody on Twitter was just quoting him as saying that, no, this escalation of the next few weeks that he's talking about, this is the ground troops, and they do have more than 50,000 in the region now. And obviously, you know, this is not a ground force that you could sack the capital city with in any way. There's no mechanized armored division rolling in there from Iraqi Kurdistan or some crazy thing like that. But there's a potential that they could try to seize the uranium stockpile. Although, as I think we talked about on the show before, you're talking the craziest of Hollywood movie type situations here in terms of dropping guys in, building a Runway, flying them back out again. I mean, I was just making that stuff up, like I'm the Hollywood director, going, okay, I guess this is what it would look like. And then that was what I read. That was the proposal that they were talking about, building a Runway and flying C130s in there full of bulldozers and backhoes and. And somehow flying them all back out again. I mean, this is just crazy. In the Hollywood movie of this true story, like, two guys make it out alive and the whole thing is a total disaster. There's no way. There's no way they should try it anyway. And then as far as putting forces on any of these islands in the Gulf, it's all, to what end. If they can reach out and touch our bases on the other side of the Gulf, then they can surely hit all their own dang islands there with rockets and whatever other artillery and things, and our guys would just be sitting ducks there. So, you know, it seems like some cooler heads are prevailing as far as that goes. But I guess Hirsch was saying, no, he thinks that they are going to. So I really don't know. I think, you know, one thing is, yes, just like in his true social posts, right, is he said, we already won. We kicked their ass. He goes, and look there, you know, that this is stupid. But he goes, man, we bomb the crap out of their Navy and their Air Force. Their Air Force and Navy. Their ability to project power against their neighbors has been greatly diminished. And it's like, okay, I mean, that's all completely stupid and meaningless. But then it's like, good, right? Like he's scraping the bottom of his. The bottom of the barrel, coming up with reasons to claim victory. We destroyed things that they weren't even fighting with. You know, we've set them way back in terms of their ability to invade and conquer Iraq or whatever, which they weren't doing anyway, you know, this kind of thing. So he was giving himself room to say that he won. He's Trump the Great. He. He ended the war. And then he says, well, we're going to keep bombing them for another few weeks, and then we hope that they come and deal with us. But we already won. Now, here's the problem, of course, right, is that this really betrays his point of view that I think, as he even said, I'm so sorry, because it's hard to keep track of things that are his actual quotes and paraphrases and whatever. But. And he's so bombastic. He says so many contradictory things. But, you know, he was essentially at
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one point, maybe it's me paraphrase on
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him saying that, like, we, no, maybe this was a quote. We keep hitting them so hard that, like, surely they are going to want to deal, you know, surely that, you know, they, they can't take much more of this, right? When, like, yeah, they can, you know, and if you kill some of them, the ones that you didn't kill, they can take it like, whatever that's. The system is built that way. But like in his imagination, they're showing him the snuff films and he's going, man, we are bombing the living hell out of this military. We have hit so many launchers, so many trucks, so many office buildings, so many headquarters, so many whatever, you know, that it's hard for him to imagine that anyone won't be willing to just come to the table. Like, he keeps lying. They're begging to come to the table and negotiate because he's sure that's going to come true any day now, because that's how this works, isn't it? You know, but then the problem is. So then in another two or three weeks he's going to realize that now, no, now that the two and three weeks it still didn't work and they're still coming and they're still firing rockets and worse and missiles and we're still not capable, you know, able to destroy it all. And he has no sound exit strategy. And they are determined to absolutely humiliate him beyond any reason so that nobody ever tries this again, so that Democrats and Republicans alike can be rest assured that they better not try this or this is what's going to happen to their political career, too. I mean, they've said that explicitly, which seems to imply that they're willing to keep firing missiles at American bases and, or at Israel and whatever other allies in the region or whatever through November. Why not?
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I mean, they have no. We've left them with no other option. If you really think about it. I mean, there's like, there, there's absolutely no way that they can believe any commitment that we make not to do this again in six or 12 months. They just, I mean, if, if, if their leaders did believe and accept something like that, then they deserve to be tried for treason. I mean, like, that's just, it would be criminally negligent of them to, to believe or place their hope in that. And so their only real hope. I mean, look, sure, we've blown a lot of Stuff up, I guess. But the amount of missiles that, in drones that they've been firing, you know, everybody talks about how, oh, it's dropped 80% or 90% or whatever. That's when, when you look at the thing, basically when the war kicked off, they fired a huge number of missiles just to be like, we're here, like, we're at war now and like, this is what it's going to be like. But it was like the next day or two that it dropped off, and it's remained steady ever since then. And when you look at the intercept rates, which I've been talking about for a while, another thing that people were saying I was full of it on, it was proven right. You know, our intercept rates were low and we were making up for that by firing 6, 8, 10 interceptor missiles at every incoming ballistic missile. Well, we don't have that many anymore. Israel's been rationing for a while. And if you look at the numbers, I mean, the majority of them are getting through now. And when you, when you, when you take that into account, I mean, you know, you understand our bases in Israel are actually, you know, taking as many or more hits now than they were at the beginning of the war when Iran launched just a huge number of missiles to kick the thing off. And so, you know, the real question is, you know, what do they have left? And, you know, as far as a stockpile, as far as launchers, what's their ability to repair and rebuild and manufacture, you know, missiles and launchers and so forth and drones to keep things going? What kind of help are they getting from, from China, from Russia? You know, a lot of these things we really don't. We really don't know. And if Iran can keep this going through November through as long as it takes, they will keep it going. They will keep it going until they hit a point where they don't have the capacity or they see the, you know, the end of the tunnel where they're going to run out of capacity at some point and they feel compelled to take a deal. But they're nowhere, apparently, they're nowhere near that right now, and they shouldn't be. I mean, assuming they've got the capacity to fight back, there is absolutely no incentive for them to do anything except push this as far as they absolutely can. And when you look at the fact that, like you said, Trump is already, like, throwing things against the wall, kind of ab testing different ways for him to talk himself out of this thing and pretend that it's not just a massive strategic Failure of, I mean, honestly of almost unprecedented proportions. I mean, you talk about the Iraq war, how, you know, we took this counterbalance against Iran and, and, and handed it over to Iran as an ally. That was a massive strategic mistake for sure. But I mean, this, this is going to end with, you know, the, the, the ending of our presence in the Middle east and because, you know, like, look, Trump can leave. I say, okay, we, we kicked their butts so bad and it's over for us. You know, there's nothing else for us to do. If China and Europe and whatever wants that oil in there, why, they can go get it themselves. But they're not going to let us move back into our 5th Fleet base in Bahrain. They're not going to let us move back into that Kuwait base. If we try, they're going to shoot missiles and they're just going to keep shooting missiles at them until they're satisfied that they destroyed and we're not coming back. And so even then, like, you know, because, because what does that accomplish when you think about it? You know, if they can drive us out of all those places, then what are we left with? Like, we can, you know, we've already shown that we're not willing to get our aircraft carriers closer than, you know, seven or 800 miles. The one time we tried, they got fired on real quick and they turned around and turned tail. And so, you know, our options when this is over without even thinking about, like, the, the economic considerations and all the other things that would come with it to try this again. You know, the, the diplomatic problems. You know, our, if they, if they keep us out of those bases, our actual, like, military means to carry out something like this again will just not be there. And so, you know, it's interesting because, like, everybody is in a, everybody except for the US Is in. Who's involved with this is in like a, a real do or die situation. You know, like the U. S, like we could just leave. Yes, it would like, you know, destroy our strategic positioning in the Middle East. Yes, it would just, you know, but Trump doesn't care about that. It's obvious he doesn't care if, I mean, he doesn't care if Europe won't pick up the phone with us ever again. I mean, he's like, just burning down every bridge that he can reach with a match. He doesn't care about any of that. But for Israel and Iran, you know, Iran, I just explain why from their standpoint, they have to just push this until nobody ever dares try this again. And I think Israel has, they have to destroy Iran or Israel is not going to exist in not very long. Because if you look at demographic trends in Israel, you know, for years more people have been leaving that country than are moving to it. And those are under like relative peacetime conditions, at least as far as like the, you know, Gaza's being destroyed and whatever. But in terms of like the Israeli population's daily experience, you know, it's not missiles and whatnot coming down on them. And still more people are leaving than have been moving there. And part of that is because it's just not a particularly pleasant place to live. Part of it is because anybody who's halfway sane, you know, looks at these psychos in, in the Netanyahu government and just doesn't want to be a part of it. But a huge part of it is that it's dangerous. And after they have done what they have done in Gaza, in Lebanon, in Iran, if Iran is still standing at the end of this, which they will be, you're going to see that outflow accelerate like crazy. And when you consider the fact that, you know, you probably saw the, I think it was the chief of staff of the idf and also the former chief of staff, the IDF said something similar about, you know, the, the, the army is like in danger of collapsing, right? Because, you know, these people, we've been calling up reservists for six, their seventh tours and like sending them out there and we just don't have the people. And he was saying that in the context of we need to start enforcing the law and, and changing the law to get the ultra orthodox into the army. The problem is you can't do that. Like the political crisis that that would precipitate in Israel makes that a, just, it's a non starter. This coalition, this political coalition of Netanyahu would completely fall apart if they tried that and they wouldn't be able to enforce it. And when you think about it like the projections as of right now are that by 2050, the ultra orthodox are going to be anywhere between a quarter and a third of the Israeli population. And that's like, you know, assuming the current trends continue, which I don't think they're going to, I think people are going to move out while they still have the chance and like at a faster and faster rate. And so Israel's changing in ways that it's not going to be able to recover from and it's not going to lead to them sort of introspecting and, you know, thinking about how they relate to their neighbors and stuff. Because it's going to be all of the same people leaving and all of the psychopaths and, you know, religious nut jobs who were sticking around and they're going to get more radical and more desperate and crazier. And you know, we really need to, we really need to navigate these next couple of few years, decades maybe as carefully as we possibly can to manage that decline without having it devolve into a panic. Nuclear war. Yeah.
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I mean, there's some insane sentiments in Israel. I don't know how, you know, it's like the best case for Zionism is where are all these people going to go if not there? They're all going to become Floridians. Jesus Christ. Then what? You know, I was just reading today, right before we went on, I was reading about a British doctor who retired from his practice. He's a, some kind of plastic surgeon, like emergency reconstructive surgery guy, and he went to go perform surgeries, you know, for free to volunteer to help the children in Gaza. And he complained about what he called the Israeli soldiers game of trying to shoot children in the head but not kill them. Because then that, I guess that's the funniest way to deform a child's body, is to give them a severe head wound that then somehow they have to live with for the rest of their life. Hardy har har har. Get it? If that's your mindset, then yeah. And it really is a mirror, exact mirror image of National Socialism in Germany in the war as taught to us in all of our post war era propaganda. This whole time. It's exactly how they were. Just absolute merciless, ruthless cruelty toward their hapless and helpless victims. It's just insane.
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That last part that you said is like a key statement there because that really is like the cartoonish version that we've been sold with the National Socialist. The reality of the situation is like you had a, you had some units here and there that went completely off the rails and were going crazy. But a lot of the mass killing of civilians was carried out with a sort of sense of like grim necessity that was like, you know, put on these people by their government in, in the context of a total war. And you know, the kind of, the kind of just raw sadism and the joy in, in, in suffering that you see among the, I mean, look, I, I know there it's not every single person, so when I say this, that's not what I'm saying, but it Never seeped anywhere close to as deeply into German society as it has into Israeli society where you wouldn't have middle class Berlin housewives cracking jokes about dead, you know, Jewish kids that did not exist. You know, they, they, they took great pains to hide from the German population what was going on in the east because they knew how they'd respond to it. They, it was to the point where a guy like Ernst Younger, who was, you know, a German military hero, famous military author, and in the Second World War was like a, was like a, a bureaucrat with the Foreign service, basically had a few different jobs. But this is a guy who's like very plugged in, you know, knew everybody was very famous himself, very connected. And he. There we have letters from him, like, writing to like people he knows, like trying to figure out like, I'm hearing these rumors about what's going on, like over in the east, you know, anything about this. Like they were going through enough trouble to hide it from people like him. And so, you know, this is just totally different. I mean, honestly, like, like, you know, the result is the same. The result is very similar, but in terms of the psychology of the society, this is on a completely different level. I mean, we are at the point now where, you know, you always, you're always confronted with the same stupid question, you know, does Israel have a right to exist? Does Israel have a right to exist? The real question at this point is whether the rest of the world has an obligation to put an end to this. I mean, it is, it has gone so far off the rails and has become so, like, not only destructive to everybody around it, but self destructive. When you look at the polls in that country, the number of people who support fully ethnically cleansing or even genociding the people of Gaza, it's a significant, and I mean it's, you know, it's a majority for both of those. And it's significant enough that when you start thinking about that, you're like, okay, so that reaches down to like your middle class housewives and you're let alone your soldiers. I mean, you know, like the actual combat soldiers in the IDF and the people in government. I mean, this is a society that like there's, it's extremely difficult to see a way for it to walk this back into, like come back into the, to the realm of human beings, you know, and for us to defend them, I mean, now we're not even, you know, defending them. We're just going and doing their dirty work for them. But even defending them, even shooting down the missiles that Iran, Hezbollah are, are firing at them. You know, that's like, it's like giving a school shooter body armor and sending them on his way. You know, it's. And, and what we're doing is worse. We're going into the school and, like, showing them where to aim and, like, helping them pull the trigger. I mean, that's even worse. But even defending them from what they're doing is like giving a school shooter body armor and, and it's, it's going to be looked at. You know, Trump has made the calculation, I think, you know, as an old man now who, every time he, he shows up on tv, I mean, he looks, he looks worse, he sounds worse, he sounds old and tired and just sort of done with the whole thing almost, you know, and, and so he's an old man. He's going to die soon. And it seems like the, the, the lesson he's taken from the last many years is that, you know, when he saw George Bush, John McCain just, you know, when he saw George Bush's, like, reputation rehabbed by the New York Times and everybody else, he saw John McCain treated as like this hero, even though he was the, the devil to the Democrats and the establishment media back in the 2000s and all that, he just made the calculation that, like, it doesn't, it doesn't matter who hates me. These are the people that will determine how I'm remembered. And if I please these people, boy, and, you know, in 10 years or whenever it comes, like, I'm gonna get that beautiful state funeral in the Capitol and everyone's gonna come and weep about what a great leader I was. As long as I please these people, people. And that's the calculation he's made. And I pray to God that he's wrong about that because he does not deserve to be remembered. He should. Yeah, he doesn't deserve to be remembered at all. And to the extent he is, he should be. You know, you should spit on the floor when you say his name. I mean, this is just, this is a horrible, horrible human being, but he
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sure should not have done this. So. And back one subject, I thought that this was worthy of note. This is the same story from Iraq War two as well, poll. Most American Jews oppose the war on Iran. The vast majority poll respondents say Trump has no clear plan for the conflict. And this is a poll by J street. They say 60% of American Jews oppose the war. So you could say that's because they're liberal Democrats and Trump's a Republican. But whatever it means they're not Likudniks. And, and obviously they're not a bunch of vicious anti Semites. And you know, the opinions and activities of Jews and, or Israelis, individuals and government employees and especially government executives are just different things. And the Jews of the United States of America, at least the vast majority of them, don't have any more power and influence over this question than you or me or any of the rest of us rabble out here. Obviously there are some very powerful, very connected interests at the top who are pushing. But they quote Jeremy Ben Ami saying most American Jews see this war for what it is, a reckless unforced error by a president has no clear achievable goals or at least an exit strategy, which is exactly right. Sort of like even Donald Trump can tell you we shouldn't be screwing around in Afghanistan. American, Jewish, even Zionists can tell that boy, we should not be doing this. And after all, Israel and America are different countries from each other, right?
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Yeah. Yeah, I thought so too. You know, that's obviously you're right that your average Jewish accountant in the United States has no more power over any of this than you or me or anything like that, and should not be blamed for the actions of the Israeli government. Obviously. At the same time, though, and, and
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in parentheses there, it also goes to show then too, that every other person who agrees with them ain't necessarily an anti Semite. If two thirds of American Jews can have these same opinions, then that.
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Who cares? Who cares? I'm so, I'm so done with even listening to that, like, you know, fair enough anymore. It's just like we're so far past that that like, we shouldn't even, we shouldn't even entertain the conversation anymore. Like that, that has been abused to the point where we are now. It's being used to excuse genocide and to punish people for being against it. So no, we should. You know what, though?
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I, I agree with you. And in fact, I was just thinking about this the other day, man, I think it was when I was stuck on a plane. I was thinking about this because this is something I react very harshly against too, when people do this to me or anybody else near me and I go shut up with that and all that. But then the thing is, man, is, you know, I don't know where I got this just from government school or from watching TV or whatever, but virtually all Americans have heard, maybe if they haven't even heard any real criticism of Israel, they've heard that if someone criticizes Israel, it's really just because they hate Jews. And this is the way that they can get away with saying bad things about Jews and not get in trouble for it and whatever. And the thing is, again, I react against that. It's so stupid and unfair when they do it to me or anybody that I know or care about. But then I'm totally losing sight of the fact that people do believe that sincerely. They've been raised on that their whole life. In fact, I've even told the story before. Again, I don't even know where I really got this from, but I've told the story before that. When I first started reading Justin RAIMONDO Regularly in 2002, I would think, oh, a new Ramondo's coming out. I bet it's going to be about this thing that Rumsfeld said or did this week that was so important. And instead it would be about Ariel Sharon again. And I remember thinking, and this is in the run up to a rock ward too, you know, And I remember thinking that, like, man, I don't know what they say about Catholics and stuff. This guy Raimondo's got a vowel on his name. And like they say sometimes Catholics can be anti Semitic. And I wonder if this guy really is hung up about, has a hang up about Jews. I wonder if that is what's going on. And then. But I kept reading him and I was fair about it. And of course I realized pretty soon that, no, the reason he focuses on Israel so much is because it's really a big deal and it's really at the center of so much of what is going on here that other people just don't understand. That was why it seemed like an inordinate amount of attention being paid to me was because I didn't already get just how crucial Israel's role was in what all was happening here. So anyway, my point being then that, like, with a decent respect to the opinions of mankind, for the people out there who are just fools, who are actually the victims of this narrative too, who are on the the fearing side that they're told, one, anyone who criticizes Israel really just hates Jews, then they look around and they see people criticizing Israel everywhere. And instead of thinking to themselves, oh no, I guess, you know, that's not really what it's about, they think, oh no, everybody hates Jews. Oh my God, I had no idea everybody was so anti Semitic. So, like, I'm trying to give some people a break here that in fact they're victims of this same propaganda, even though obviously it's wielded very cynically by others. I can also imagine what it would be like to really believe that and then see this huge chorus of opposition and have no other way to explain it other than apparently these people want to kill me. Like, I'm sorry, one last statement on this, and I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself from last week, but remember when Tucker interviewed the Israeli official, the former president elect or whatever, he was president something, and the guy said his mother raised him to believe there's only two kinds of people in this world, Jews and people who hate Jews. And she truly, sincerely believed that and raised him to believe that. And he brought it up as something absurd that people believe, but the point is they do, you know.
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Yeah, some people do. And, you know, when, like, you know, I would. I would sort of differentiate, like, two different things. Like when that happens within the Jewish community itself, like the interview you're talking about, you know, that's a form of just child abuse and imposed generational trauma that has a historical basis. And so, you know, you can understand from some. Some point of view. But, you know, it's. It's really. It's a. It's a. It's a. It's a kind of like, psychological circumcision. You know, you're inflicting this horrible trauma on children so that they sort of, you know, the. In a way that holds together their identity collectively and as individuals through their lives. And that's a terrible thing. But for everybody else, you know, if you're still somebody who is going. Going onto the Internet or turning on the TV and thinking, wow, look at all these people who are criticizing Israel. It must be because they hate Jews. As you're watching videos of Gaza destroyed, as you're seeing story after story after story of Israeli soldiers torturing, executing, raping, then forget those people, dude. Like, no, I don't care about the. The opinions of mankind when it comes to them. They. They need to be left behind or run over at this point. Like, we're in a situation where our country. I mean, just think about this. Like, you said all of the horrible things that we were taught about Nazi Germany. And so, like, it was bad enough that we allied with Stalin in that war. We didn't go over there and send him weapons to go carry out the holodomor with. Like, that's what we're doing here, okay? We're. We're. That's. That's where we're at. And so any of this, like, it's just. It's time for us to stop worrying about that kind of crap and allowing like, you know, us to be, to, to be like, even, even if you're not silenced, even to mitigate what you're saying because you're afraid that somebody's going to call you a name or have a bad reaction to something, like if you're still doing that, those people just need to be run over. I mean, this is, this is like a five alarm fire that is burning our country to the ground. And yeah, we, I think. But the point I was making earlier too is that when you mentioned the, you know, of course it's not like all Jews in America and your Jewish accountant, you know, he may be against Iran war and you know, thinks Benjamin Netanyahu is a terrible guy and all these other things. But at the same time that is true. At the same time though, go say that Mark Levin has dual loyalty in front of that guy and watch him clam up real fast. Go to that guy and say we need to cut off military aid and put sanctions on Israel and watch him clam up real fast. Not every single one of them are like that. There's some real deal like anti war Jews in this country, don't get me wrong. But oh, like that 60% that you're talking about being pulled by J Street. I mean, a lot of that is. Yeah, part of it is because it's Donald Trump. Part of it is because it's Likud and not labor doing whatever's being done. You know, a lot of these reasons. But you know, look, the bottom line is like we say like you were, you were just saying actually, for example, you know, that, you know, when you're talking about what Raymondo was talking about, how you know this because Israel really is like at the center of it. Israel really is like important when talking about all these things. And it's like, yeah, that's tr. True. But if it was just Israel, we wouldn't be doing any of this. If there wasn't Bill Ackman and Miriam Adelson and the whole network of Jewish organizations that are funded to the hilt of billions of dollars and these, you know, billionaire Zionists who are in our country, who are not Israelis, they're Americans, if it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be doing any of this. None of this would be happening. And so we have to have a way to be able to talk about that. And if it means getting called an anti Semite or something like that, you know, that Jewish accountant who thinks that the war is bad he needs to be the one going out there and saying, Mark Levin, he's a traitor. This guy is obviously, you know, he should move to Israel. Like dual loyalty would be an improvement for he should be saying that, you know, and there shouldn't be any hang up about saying, you know, because it's like, why does that guy, if you're an American and you're really just an American and that's how you're looking at it, then why would you hold truck with somebody like Mark Levin at all? He has nothing to do with you, you know, and he would throw you under the bus as quickly as he's throwing everybody else under the bus who came out against this war. And so, you know, I, I, I'm sympathetic. Look, I would say this the I'm, I'm very sensitive to the need. I mean, this is honestly like probably one of my, like one of my primary things I think about, talk about when it comes to politics and all this is making sure that the backlash that's coming doesn't land on Dave Smith. You know what I mean? Like, he has nothing to do with this. Your Jewish accountant might have nothing to do with this. And we need to make sure that when people finally reach their limit with this shit, that innocent people are not caught up in the backlash. That, that needs to be a primary, you know, concern. And it is for me. But at the same time, like, we got to cut this cancer out of our society, dude. I mean it's, and the only way we can do it is to be able to talk about these things boldly and openly. And if people try to use like epithets or whatever to intimidate us into silence, we just need to tell them the off I otherwise we're just, we're never going to get anywhere with this. We have no other choice.
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Yeah. All right, well, so how do you like this? Brought to you by Matt C. Your anti government tax lawyer advisor. You're trying to run a business. You're trying to make some money. You don't want to give all your profits to the IRS. Well, Matt Sersley at agorist tax advice.com will help you get away with paying as little tax as you are absolutely legally obligated to pay. No secret loopholes where you end up getting in trouble. Here this is all about not getting in trouble, but also not paying them one red cent more than you absolutely have to. That's agorist tax advice.com and he helps support this show so you could repay him the favor. Yeah, big deal. Speaking of screenshot things to put on the stage there. Whoops, I need to share this tab instead. Heg Seth urges US Army Chief of Staff to resign right away during conflict in Iran. US Army Chief of Staff General James McConville has been told to retire effective immediately. I don't know, why not just fire him? I guess that's he still gets a pension if he takes the retirement here. But. So Gez, I don't know, we're in the middle of a war. All this threat of maybe putting in ground troops. Of course they already announced that no matter what, if we do invade with ground troops, the IDF is not sending anybody to help. They're busy stealing southern Lebanon.
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You see, if we need somebody to come through the Iranian orphanages and shoot the kids afterwards, we can invite them.
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Yeah, there you go. Shoot them in the head, but try to leave them alive because it's funnier that way. But yeah. So what the hell is going on here, man?
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Is this what it looks like or what? Yeah, it's exactly what it looks like. I mean think about it. Like I know this from a first hand source, but even just think about it, you don't need that, that why was this guy fired? What has the army had to do with this war so far? Like they managed the THAD batteries and the Patriot batteries, but other than that, like this is not an army war, this is an Air Force war, Navy war. And so why is it that the army guy is getting fired right as everybody is starting to talk about all the ground troops and special forces that are in place in the region getting ready to go and it's exactly what it looks like. You know, this guy had reservations about what they were asking him to do because he knew the consequences that were possible or likely. And so they got rid of him and they're going to put some other in there to, you know, to, to carry out the plan. What did they say in the, in the article? I think somebody who was more in line with the administration's vision, you know, what does that mean? That means that this guy is telling you this is a terrible idea, I can't do that. And they're telling him fine, take a walk. That's what happened. And you know, they're not, it's not because all the war has gone so terribly. If that was the case, they'd fire the Air Force chief or the name or the cno.
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Right.
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You know, the army guy, what's he had to do with any of this yet? No, this is, has to do with stuff that is Going to happen. Not with stuff that already happened.
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Okay, I'm sorry I said this the night of the war. I says, yeah, counterpoint. But that's so stupid and crazy and horrible and wrong. Why do that? And then they launched the war like a few hours later. Okay, but so counterpoint. That's so stupid and crazy and horrible and wrong. Daryl Cooper, come on, man. We already stipulated, like, 15 minutes ago or something that that makes for a Hollywood movie that is a disaster movie. Like that one about the guys in the Korengal Valley. Or it wasn't Korengal. It was. It was actually a really good war flick about this Taliban. They put this base at the bottom of the mountains instead of the top, and they all got. Huh?
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Restrepa.
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No, no, no. Restrepa. That's a great documentary about Korengal. No, this was a feature film about these guys who were way up north in the mountains in the far northeast in. Sorry, I can't remember anymore. And they got, you know, besieged Taliban coming down the hills on all sides on their ass and whatever. A lot of guys got killed, and then a very few survivors got out at the end. And it was one of those movies sort of like that recent one about Iraq as well. But you could totally read it either way. You could read it as the moral of the story is, what in the hell were our guys doing 7,000 miles away in this crazy mountain valley in the middle of nowhere nowhere, fighting and getting killed by these crazy people. Or you could look at it like, wow. Yeah, war is cool, man. That's where you go to war and shoot at bad guys and stuff. And there's explosions and stuff, and it's neat and whatever. But anyway, in that movie, at the end, it's just a few guys make it out in a helicopter and everybody else's corpse is left behind back there, man. And it's a route. And I'm looking at this like, look, I can direct the movie right now. I can tell you the whole movie right now about how you do this. You do the top tier guys in the center, you do the second tier guys around them, and you do the third tier guys around them. And then you Send in the A10 Warthogs to fly in circles and the C130s to fly in circles, firing out their windows there to make sure to keep all the ground forces at bay. And then, Daryl, you just do this for, I don't know, six weeks or something. As long as it takes for. To build an airport and to. And to fly in A bunch of ground moving equipment, bunch of earth moving equipment, and then spend weeks and weeks digging around, hoping you can find a bunch of uranium canisters that have been buried and, or dispersed in God knows which directions and then, and somehow survive the endless hordes, the teeming hordes of men with AKs who won't stop coming.
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I mean, not only that, dude, those televisions.
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A big city. Isfahan is a city right there. Yeah.
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The Taliban didn't have suicide drones and short range ballistic missiles to chase those guys down with. I mean, dude, you know, just look at, like, Israel has not been able to slow down Hezbollah launching missiles and, and drones at them. And they're, they're lighting them up every single day. And this is like a tiny little patch of southern Lebanon. They still can't do it. Iran can fly these things in from all over the country. You're telling me we put guys in one place or just a couple places? That's the one. Those are just the targets they have to worry about. There would be. I mean, look, there's a reason, like I said, there's a, There's a reason that chief of staff got fired. I mean, this is a highly respected general within the ranks, okay? This is a guy who has been in five combat zones. He's. He did not get fired for poor performance or something, or poor leadership. All right? This, this guy has the respect of the Army. He got fired because he's trying to tell these guys that whatever they're about to do is a terrible idea. And, you know, Trump is mercurial enough that he made, you know, just change his mind at the last second. But I'll go back to the same thing I said. I think I said last week, which is just like you when this war was kicking off, saying, you know, this is just. That would be stupid. Why would anybody do that? I was saying the same thing back in 2022 when Russia was massing their forces on the Ukrainian border. And since then, I've just sort of realized, like, you don't move this many guys into place. You know, you don't, you don't, you don't. You don't put, you know, this many dogs within sight of red meat without intending to let them off the leash.
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Yeah.
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And you just don't do it. And certainly not while the other side is still firing. You know, it. Because, look, you got to think about, like, the, the position Trump is in right now. He can say all he wants that we win, they lose because we blew up so many things. Nobody except for, you know, the Laura Loomers of the world or anybody like that is going to buy that if Iran is still hammering our bases, still controls the straight of Hormuz and is still firing missiles at Israel. And in fact, if they're still firing missiles at Israel, Laura Loomer will turn on him too. And so, you know, he, he might, he's throwing that stuff against the wall to see if it can stick. He's not going to be able to sell that. And, you know, it's for him where everything is about, I mean, this whole war and all of it, it's all about him. It's all about how he's perceived and how he's going to be remembered and like, you know, what the public thinks am that's how he sees everything. And if somebody comes and tells them whatever general, they get to, you know, replace the chief of staff that we just put in there, says, don't worry sir, we can do this, just give me the resources I need and gosh darn it, that's what he wants to hear. And he'll send them in and he'll blame Heg Seth and he'll blame whoever else if it doesn't work. But he's perfectly willing to take a 10% gamble if it gets him out of this with something that looks like a victory that he can walk away from. He'll throw away these guys lives to do that. And anybody who doesn't think that has not been watching this guy for the last 11 years or whatever it's been. And I'll admit as much as anybody else, like, I voted for the guy, you know, I think that those of us who did vote for him, it's like, okay, so it's like him or Biden who just oversaw the Gaza holocaust, or Biden's, you know, puppet, just historically bad candidate who probably who is controlled by the same forces that, you know, are controlling Trump basically, and they're going to flood the country with immigrants and they're going to trans your kids. And so it's like, I don't blame anybody. I take more responsibility myself for doing it than, than I would hold anybody else to. But at the same time, like, you know, the things that we're seeing now, if we are honest with ourselves and you look back, it's not like, you know, we can claim complete ignorance. We just thought it was funny when he was saying those things about people we didn't like and acting that way towards people we didn't like. That's all that's all there is to it. We need to. We need to admit that, you know, this is just. This is a vulgar, very, very, like, just aggressively stupid individual. Like, he has a certain type of, like, animal cunning, like a social intelligence or whatever, and a sort of genius for public appearance and propaganda. But, like, you know, this is. This is somebody who everybody, like, even people who. Who have left the administration who are not on bad terms with him, who are still supporters of the president, all of them talk about how he can't sit through a briefing. He just can't. It can't hold his attention long enough for him to do it. He canceled the morning intel brief that every president's gotten for, like, every single day for the last 80 years or something, and he just canceled, doesn't do it anymore because he can't sit through it, you know, and so none of this should be a surprise now, like, when the war, like, first started again. I think all of us have, with some justice, can say that, you know, the con that was pulled was a pretty convincing one. You know, when he brings Tulsi Gabbard in there, when he brings Joe Kent in there, he brings these people in. Like, we. We had plenty of reason to believe him and the rest of his campaign when they said, vote for Kamala Harris if you want to go to war with Iran, if you don't want to go to a war with Iran, vote for us. Like, we had reasons to believe that, especially when we only had two choices. But at the same time, like, it's time to step back and realize that. That this is a person who, you know, his. His own, like, psychopathologies are leading to, I mean, just massive, massive war crimes, not. Not supported by the US but openly committed by the US and bragged about by the administration, is dragging our country's honor and name absolutely through the mud, which is what people like him do, because, you know, people with no honor, they. They feel small around people with honor, and they want everybody to come down to their level and get in the mud so that they're the same as everybody else. And he's done that to us to a large degree. We've become an incredibly vulgar and debased society over the. Over the last 11 years. Not entirely on him. Like, a lot of that's on the other his opponents and everything else. Like, that's all true. But, you know, we would not have taken all of this stuff as lightly as we are now. I mean, when you listen to Hegseth talk, when you listen to Trump's, you Know, talking about how we're going to bomb them back into the Stone Age and make it so that they will never recover as a nation again in a war that we started, like, on a whim, where they were not threatening us and where they were, in fact, very clearly, according to the mediator that we agreed to, you know, the Omani foreign minister, that they were going out of their way to do everything they could to compromise and avoid this war, and we started it anyway. You know, we're talking about reducing their nation to the point where it'll never recover again. Like, they tried to cover up Mei in 1968. We've got Lt. Cali in the fucking White House now, dude. Like, that's like the mentality that we're at. And we need to stop pretending that this is anything like normal, because this is not the same as Bush. It's not the same as Obama. It's not the same as Clinton. It's different in the same way that the Nazis, you know, they, they tried to hide the, the mass killing that was going on in the east from the average German because they had to. Because German society itself wasn't so totally debased yet. We still had to do that under Bush, you know, like, we had to pretend that people got disciplined for Abu Ghraib and whatever else. And that is all gone, man. I mean, that is Trump.
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I mean, he always was Rudy Giuliani, Man. In 2015 and 16, he talked about we should dip all our bullets in pig's fat and pig's blood before we shoot the Muslims so they, they all go to hell and whatever, which is what Pershing did, committing war crimes in the Philippines. He always was Rudy Giuliani. You can even watch footage of, of Giuliani and Drag and the two of them making out. I mean, he's a kook from New York City, dude. He never was. Like, I don't know, it's funny, I just had a conversation with Joe Lauria about how he's a redneck from Queens because he ain't from Manhattan. But, yeah, he's a redneck for. He's a Manhattan New York City billionaire compared to the rest of society, that's for sure. And so, look, I, I agree with you. I, I really never hold it against anyone who leans right or left for fearing the other side more, because I can see why people have plenty of reason to hold the right as worse and, and vice versa, too. That's where the two parties come from, right? They're giant coalitions of people who come together to keep the other guys out because they're even worse. And so it's totally understandable, especially this time around, I think in the, the Obama, Trump, Biden era, you know, libs, center left, liberals and progressives, never even mind the leftists, I think just pushed everybody else a click or two to the right. It's inevitable they went completely crazy that whole time. And so yes, I certainly agree with you that I don't blame anyone who voted for Trump. I never did. I rooted for him to win three times, but I never voted for him three times because for just this reason that he obviously doesn't know about stuff and his instincts are, you know, well, let's just say much more Jacksonian than Jeffersonian. You know, Jefferson said the Indians up, but Jackson was the one that finished him off anyway. I think that was always kind of his attitude.
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You know, I think about like, there's so many, there's all these like dogs that aren't barking that really sort of like, you know, they like take like the fact that, okay, Trump is now doing the thing that like all of the craziest Trump derangement syndrome, leftists and liberals and stuff were like this, if this is what you were saying he would do because he was so crazy and so awful and so bad. Where are they at? Where are any of the Democrats? Like, they're just.
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I just had a huge rally last weekend. Huge rallies all across the country. I was in Minneapolis giving a speech to the Libertarian Party, but downtown there
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was a massive thing about the no Kings rally. The one.
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Yeah.
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New York City.
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Yeah. The whole thing was, was created by a lady named Greenberg who doesn't have a problem with the war in Iran. And so the, and it really goes to show what Astroturf, all these leftist groups are. Remember as we talked about that famous Molly Ball article in Time about how they were, how they rigged the election against Trump in 20 and, and it's written about how they saved it. But one of the things she talks about in there is how they were able to turn these left wing protest groups on and off like a light switch. And one great example of that is they were all told to stay away on January 6th because we have our own plan, basically. And a bunch of left anarchists in the crowd makes the message up, so stay back. And then they, they all stayed back like they're slaves to some group text message that they all get that tells them when and where to go. And so look, the leaders of the Democratic Party are Zionists. They want this War. And so they bring everybody together, say no kings, which doesn't even mean anything. The guy was elected and like, yeah, he's acting like a dictator, but you know, we live in a post Harry Truman era, dude. Of course presidents start wars. They all do. And yes, that's bad, but like what do they even have in mind, right? They don't even, you know, it's just shit. Live center left liberal Democrat nothingness in place of like, you know, hell, at least in the W. Bush years they pretended to care about Cindy Sheehan and like a specific movement against the Iraq war. But really, you know, they were just riding her back to try to get back into the Congress. They didn't really mean it, but at least they pretended to oppose the worst thing that was happening in this case. They don't dare. I think they're probably afraid to exercise any influence over it. They don't want to end it too soon.
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Yeah, you know, I just like if there are any like well meaning leftists or liberals watching us and I don't know why they would be, but maybe they are like, hey, we're great on
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foreign policy, everybody loves.
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I want to ask those people like, does it ever, does it ever seem strange to you that BlackRock and JP Morgan and the US Department of Defense seem to share your politics? In fact, they spend millions of dollars promoting your politics of like racial grievance and the sexual revolution and so forth. Like the rainbow flag. Does that ever seem strange to you that they would care so much about that stuff? The reason they do that is because those issues went like blood. The sexual revolution started out because, you know, women who were getting abused couldn't divorce their husbands because, you know, they wouldn't have any options. And we had to like fix that up. And you know, a lot of parts of the country, gay people were getting beat up if it turned out they were gay or something. And so that, you know, that had to, we had to calm that down and so forth. You guys have spent the last 10 years arguing over whether there should be books about anal sex in children's libraries or not or whether the 8 year olds who are supposed to be reading those books should be allowed to chop their dicks off. Okay? Like if you could just accept if the people on the left, the real leftists, the ones who are in the real liberals too, like the progressives, the ones who are well meaning and really mean what they say. If you could just accept that the sexual revolution has gone far enough. Okay, like the reason you're arguing over Whether kids should be able to get sex changes is because all the important shit has been taken care of. That's why you're arguing about this now. But there are huge institutions filled with people whose job it is to push this agenda, and they don't want to go find other jobs. And so they keep going to the next issue and you keep following. If you could put that aside and accept that things have gone far enough on that front, and then also accept that we have had 70 years now, 60 years now, of really unprecedented immigration that is very clearly like pulling our society apart at the seams and that we need a break. We need a break for a while. And that's not crazy. We've done this before in our history. From 1924 to 1965, we took a break from immigration. And that was like the one time in our modern history that all these different groups of people who had flooded into the country, a lot of them who were mutually suspicious, even hostile to each other, got to know each other and got. Got comfortable with each other, and we actually formed up like something resembling, like a national collective identity with each other. And, and it was because we took that step back and, and, you know, cut off the constant inflow that was just, you know, creating this constant churn in our society and let the people who were neighbors now get to know each other. If you could just do those two things, then we could march on Washington and hang these people by their freaking ankles. But those two things, the reason JP Morgan and the Department of Defense and the CIA all support those things and put. And spend millions of dollars pushing them out into society is because they know that it makes it impossible for people like me to stand with you. And there are a lot of people like me who, who hate the way this government is run, who recognize the same. It's a troll, right? It's an ultimate trolley nature of it, who recognize all these things. But they're like, dude, I'm not, I'm not going to go stand with and march with somebody, you know, who's, as soon as this protest is over, is going to tell me that, you know, the school should be able to groom my kid into being trans. Like, that's crazy. Like, and so just things have gone far enough. Let's focus on the stuff that matters. Like, you've literally got a president in there now, and I'm talking again to liberals and leftists who was just openly saying that we can't do anything with health care, we can't do anything with Medicare, child care. Or anything like that. We got a war to fight, okay? And that war is just, it's. It's just a. It's a war of straight up terrorism where we're just blowing up hospitals, blowing up, you know, pharmaceutical research laboratories and bridges that aren't even finished yet just to. Well, he tells you why, you know, just to punish the civilian population of that country. That's why we're doing it. We're doing it at the behest of a foreign country that has influence here because of. Of. Of, you know, sympathetic billionaires and a vast array of, like, interlinked organizations that bend our politics to that country's will. Let's focus on those things, please. All right? Like, just.
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I've always said this, man, there's. What we can compromise on is the things that the government is doing that we need them to stop doing. You know, forget your pos, for God's sake, don't ask the national government to take care of people's toddlers before they're even old enough to be imprisoned in kindergarten. Leave those kids alone. We don't want that. But just at the very least, just ask them to stop doing the things that they're doing that are violating our rights. Especially all the spying stuff, all the taxation, the printing of the money, the endless wars and, you know, all the domestic police, statory roll, all that back. That's all stuff that we can agree on when we cannot agree on the positive programs that we want government to do this or that to somebody. And I certainly agree. And Democrats agree too, according to the polls, about ending immigration, you know, or certainly ending the flood of illegal immigration over the open border and all of that stuff too. That's like super duper majority territory when it comes to opinion polls on that stuff. So I think you're totally right. And I also think you're right that it's all a deliberate, you know, right wing plot to make you a left winger in order to. It's just like I was watching the south park the other day where they explain how Mr. Garrison, when Mr. Garrison is Donald Trump and he runs for president and they, they have a little graph and they show how trolling works. This guy says something horrible to this guy and then he just leaves. And then what happens is this guy responds and other people call him a whiner and a complainer for the way he responds, and then other people defend him and then other people make fun of those people, and it's like this chain reaction, like a nuclear reaction of people making fun of each other for getting upset and then whatever. And. And then Mr. Garrison like, ah, geez, I think that's how I got elected president. Like, yeah, it's all a big troll. They're trolling us. And this is the George Carlin bit in jamming in New York. He says, you notice the media, they'll focus always. They always focus on whatever divides us with this. Race, class, jobs, regional differences, ethnicity, sex and whatever on down the line. Anything that they can do to more finely divide the American people against each other so that they, the rich can keep going to the bank, which is a bit oversimplifying it, but the people with the power can keep going to the bank. And, and you can see this so clearly in the rise of the Occupy movement on the left, where they claim to represent the 99% and not just pushing for full communism, but pushing against the worst of the bank bailouts and bonuses on all of our backs that were going on at that time. And the Tea Party doing the same thing now. Remember Tea Party rallies where they said, listen, let's just not focus on abortions and immigration and more cultural issues now. Let's just focus on the bank bailouts and the TARP funds and all this QE expansion of the monetary policy under Barack Obama that we're all against. And then immediately they hit everybody with white privilege this and trans rights that. Then everybody, you know, your next door neighbor's got a different skin color than you. It's time for you guys to be suspicious of each other instead about us, the powerful, the 1% of the 1% who are really running things around here. And so it couldn't have been more obvious then that, like, hey, this is just like in the George Carlin pit. You know what I mean? This is right in front of your face and. And still going on in this day. All right, so hang on, quick break because we got to thank our sponsor, me, Scott Horton show coffee that you get if you go to Scott Horton.org Coffee and you go to Moondo Artisan Coffees and it's part Ethiopian, part Sumatra blended together so that you drink it and I drink it all morning and then some in the afternoon and it's really great and it tastes just like me and you'll love it. Just go to scott horton.org coffee and then one more of those real quick, I gotta share is not really so much a sponsor, but I want to show you this. It's the facts about Iran.com and this is essentially segments from the Scott Horton Academy. Two different segments that I have that are deep dives on the background on America's relationship with Iran. So you get a little bit of a taste of what the Scott Horton Academy of Foreign Policy and Freedom is about. And also you get a deep dive explaining America's relationship with Iran. You see the first one there is an hour and a half and the second's an hour and a quarter. So a good primer on America's relationship with Iran there for you at the facts about Iran.com by me. And then what else I want to talk to you about. There was one other issue that I wanted to.
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Well, I got one. In the meantime, while you think about it, go right ahead. I was thinking about some of those other dogs that don't bark. And you know, I was thinking about when I Do you see recently that Lindsey Graham, this unmarried, childless 70 year old, was at Disney World for some reason the other day.
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I did see that. I also saw that he was saying something about it's time for a negotiated settlement, which seemed like was under explicit instruction.
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All I could think about when I saw those pictures of him there.
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Go ahead.
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We hear all these stories, all this propaganda about how the country's full of all these Shiite, Iranian, you know, terrorist cells that are just waiting for the word from the Ayatollah. I was like, I don't think Lindsay Graham would be able to walk around Disney World like without a care in the world if that were the case. You know, I just don't think so. And that immediately got me thinking the same something along similar lines. Like you supposedly have this global jihadist movement where people from Germany and America and Australia and Pakistan everywhere, they'll respond to the call from this random dude that nobody had ever really heard of, like just a couple years before to come, set up the caliphate and do whatever go, you know, kill the Assad government and so forth. At the drop of a hat. They'll go give up everything in their lives, leave everything behind and go and, and fight this war, do this thing and. Or they'll go, you know, shoot up their co workers in San Bernardino or, or a nightclub in Orlando or stab a bunch of people on a train just cuz gosh darn it, they're just crazy Sunni radicals. How is it though that Israel has been engaged in a straightforward genocide of the Palestinians for the last three years, like on live tv, live stream to the world, and not a single one of those people, despite the fact that the country next door is run by them in Syria, that there's not a Single one of them who thinks, like, yeah, I might, like, fly across halfway across the world to go run a bunch of people over in France. But no, I'm not going to take a run at one of the border stations here. Like, you know, here getting into Israel, I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna slip into the west bank and attack any of these settlers or something. I'm not calling on anybody to do that. But it is weird, okay, because this is like the cause celeb for like, every supposed, like, you know, radical Muslim extremist with like, a chip on his shoulder and a grievance, you know, in his pocket. Like, this is the cause celeb for them. It's like the primary stain on Muslim honor is the Zionist entity that's, you know, doing this to the Palestinians.
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I got bad news for you, Coupe, man.
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The.
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The leader of Al Qaeda in Syria was shaking hands with the King of England yesterday, man.
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B
Yeah, it's just. I mean, it really does, like, go to show you, just like you're talking about that Molly Ball article, how they can turn on or off the antifa people here. Yeah, this is all fake, dude. It is all fake. Like, these people are absolutely. These movements, quote, unquote, are completely owned, completely controlled, completely easily manipulated. I mean, it's just there's. How do you. How would anybody who, like, doubts me on this just explain it to me? Explain to me how there hasn't been a single jihadist from wherever slipping in through Jordan to the west bank, which would be no trouble at all. Certainly a hell of a lot easier than getting to Raqqa while ISIS was controlling, you know, Syria, how not a single one of them is slipping into the west bank through Jordan to go shoot up some Israeli settlements.
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Does anybody slip into the west bank from Jordan?
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Like I said, I don't know. It's got to be easier than. It's got to be easier than getting to Raqqa from, you know, Hamburg when, you know, when. When ISIS is controlling half Assyria and is it in full on, like, total war with. With Assad?
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I mean, all of that was clearly like Recep Erdogan's policy at that time to help all those people go through and to fight for Islamic State. And yes, ISIS and Al Nusra always did, at least from the time, you know, 2011, had direct support from America and their allies. And depending, you know, which ally is backing which militia on the ground, there was some, you know, diversification.
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B
The Israelis got people that you can shoot at right there on the border in the Golan Heights. And again, I'm not calling on anybody to do that. I'm just saying it's awful strange that like all of these people seem to just not be that motivated about this whole, you know, killing every Palestinian in Gaza thing.
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A
Well, I agree. I mean, I was saying before, you know, when, when Jelani and Al Qaeda took over Damascus at the end of 24, my just kind of speculation about the whole thing. Right, was either he's going to turn out to be a son of a. That they can't deal with and then we're going to end up having a war on terrorism in Syria now against the Bin Ladenites there as the next step, or he's going to be so tame that one of his own guys is going to cut his head off and replace him for being such a sellout to the Americans and the Israelis because ultimately, wow, what a sellout. And it makes sense strategically that like, look, the Americans and the Israelis help put us in power here and we sort of serving at their pleasure here. So we got to be careful. That makes sense from his point of view. But then as you're indicating here among his friends, you have to assume a lot of those guys don't mind dying and would be happy to die trying to kill just any Israelis at, at the border or whatever. We're talking about bin Ladenites here.
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B
Yeah, you would think, right? You would think you would.
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A
Although, you know, remember even the Islamic State, the one time they ever apologized to anyone was when the errant missile hit Israel and they went, whoa, whoa, whoa, we did not mean to do that.
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B
You know, things that make you go, did you see the Islamic State put out a message today calling on Muslims to burn down Christian churches? It's like, oh, with everything going on in the, in the world right now, with everything happening in your region right now, that's what you're going with. Like, that's what's got you worked up to the point that you want to go commit another act of terrorism. Really? It's so fake, dude. It's all fake.
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A
Well, I don't know how all fake it is, but you know, I sure wouldn't be surprised if, if Al Qaeda and bin Ladenite type groups start attacking Iran right now. If only it's because it's a target of opportunity. And hell, we know that CIA and Mossad back John Dolla in the past. In fact, we even know that John that, see, you know, Mossad was posing as CIA recruiting Jan Dolla in the past. So there is a real danger of that. And, and look, I think from all of my study of all this, I mean, man, I read a lot of books about them and whatever as best I can. And I think it's clear, like the best way to summarize the Al Qaeda movement and ISIS as well is just the breakoff is just Al Qaeda in Iraq is just what ISIS is that they are America, Britain and Saudis pet terrorists that are used to kill Russians, Serbs and Shiites when they're useful. And then they often times blow back against the United States and do random crazy things because they're people with their own agendas. And I know a lot of people are a lot more truth three than that and they hate me for not being one. But you know, I think like Bin Laden's strategy of luring America into Afghanistan was clear. He had his own reasons for pushing those people to attack the United States all through the 1990s.
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B
The reason why he won, reason we supported Al Qaeda up until like basically up until September 10, 2001, and we were back allied with them once again just a decade later with this like brief period in between, is because he had this one Saudi billionaire that we had or 100 millionaire or whatever that we had recruited, you know, into this, into this movement who woke up one day and said, I don't think I want to be used like that anymore. And so we took him out and we took out all the people who supported him. Iran. Now we'll just keep killing all the leaders until eventually we find someone who doesn't want to die and do that with Al Qaeda too. Dude, they're not all like, you know, a lot of people are fakers. And you know, you get down to a person who's willing to wander back onto the reservation and put his collar on and now they're, they're our buddies again. You know, we handed them.
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A
Yeah, no, it was years ago. I, we used to joke that maybe they were listening to my show because I would always say, you see Bashar al Assad, you see how he's wearing a three piece suit and shaves his chin, whatever. And then the next thing you know, they dressed up Jelani in a suit and put him on front line and like including three piece suit with the vest, you know what I mean? And Martin Smith interviewed him. And then I interviewed Martin Smith and you know, gave him the third degree for his puff piece. Clearly he'd been hired by the Turks to do this PR to try to rehabilitate Jelani. And it worked. Guys in terms of state. Point taken.
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B
Man, I gotta get going, brother. I gotta go feed my chickens their nightly snack before the sun goes down.
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A
All right, man. Well, thanks for doing the show. I always like talking with you.
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B
Always fun, brother. Take care.
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A
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- [71:13]
B
Hey, perdompo inter to playlist. Peroesto is mejorque musica.
- [71:29]
A
I sold my car in Carvana last night. Well, that's cool. No, you don't understand. It went perfectly. Real offer down to the penny. They're picking it up tomorrow. Nothing went wrong.
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B
So what's the problem?
- [71:39]
A
That is the problem. Nothing in my life goes to smoothly. I'm waiting for the catch.
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B
Maybe there's no catch.
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A
That's exactly what a catch would want me to think.
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B
Wow. You need to relax.
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A
I need to knock on wood. Do we have. What is this? Table wood? I think it's laminate. Okay. Yeah, that's good. That's close enough. Car selling without a catch. Sell your car today on Carvana.
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B
Pick up fees may apply.