Frank Isola (4:12)

And let's remember, too, they lost a game where they gave up 52 points to Ben Johnson's old team, where he was the offensive coordinator in Detroit. And this is why I talk about that margin of error sometimes. Last year, Washington had 19 scoring drives in the fourth quarter that was fourth best in the NFL. They also gave up 20, which was the six most in the NFL. So last year they were kind of winning those close games, and this year, when you lose them, that's sometimes the difference between getting into the playoffs and not. That's why that was a good sign last night for the Chicago Bears. All right, let's move to last night's early game in which the Falcons surprisingly beat the Bills. Bazon Robinson went for 238 yards from scrimmage including an 81 yard touchdown run. The Falcons defense meanwhile picked off Josh Allen twice. Atlanta quarterback Michael Penix Jr. Said post game that the win shows his three two team is, quote, really good. This team is really legit. Tony, do you agree?

Tony Kornheiser (5:12)

No, not as I'm sitting here right now, you know, not yet. Halfway through the season. Not. No, it's a not yet situation. Look, their wins are good. It's Buffalo, Washington and Minnesota, those are nice wins. But they lost the division game to Carolina, a bad team. They lost the division game to Tampa Bay. So they're 02 in their division. So what is the path to really legit when you're 02 in that division? Bajan Robinson is a great back. He's a great back and Penix has had a fine year so far in what is essentially his rookie year. But my skepticism, Frank, is based on last year when they were a bad team when they. I believe they ultimately benched Kirk Cousins, but they were in the middle of a run where they lost six of their last eight games. They haven't been in the playoffs or had a winning record since I think 2017 right around there. So I'm a hold back a little bit on really legit. I'm going to hold back.

Frank Isola (6:09)

Yeah, that's a great stat that you gave. 2017 haven't had a winning record, haven't made the playoffs. But the one difference maybe with this team right now, and I know it's still early in the season, they've only allowed an average of 253 yards per game. Their defense has that is best in the league. That's how you win in the NFL. You don't need the great quarterback and who knows, maybe this kid has a chance to be pretty good. But they're doing it on defense. Yesterday they blitzed Josh down, Josh Allen on 71% of his drop backs. They caused a lot of pressure and the one thing I kind of took away from that game, I'm not necessarily buying Buffalo yet. Like you look at the AFC and for some reason Kansas City, we keep waiting for them to fall off and you keep waiting for Buffalo to do something. But look at the wins that they've had, Tony. They've beaten the Ravens, the Jets, the Dolphins and the Saints. Those teams are combined 3 and 21. And we all love Josh Allen, but he hasn't looked like John Elway just yet. Right, Right.

Tony Kornheiser (7:05)

I'm just going to make one point here that that something's wrong in Buffalo the way something is wrong in Philadelphia. Yeah, I don't know what it is. Yes, Buffalo, I think, is emblematic of a capsizing in the afc. Baltimore, Buffalo, Kansas City have been at the top, the cream of the crop for five or six years now. They are now a combined 8 and 10, while Indianapolis is 5 and 1 and Jacksonville and Denver and the Chargers. You know there's movement in that conference. Let's move to base. The Mariners hit three home runs last night and we pulverized Toronto 10 3. They go back to Seattle with a 2 nothing lead and three games at home if they need three. Dodgers got a great start from Blake Snell, giving up only one hit through eight full innings, beat the Brewers 3 to 2. The Dodgers are now 61 in these playoffs. Frank, where do you want to start?

Frank Isola (7:56)

All right, real quick on the job. I'm going to let you dive into Blake Snell, who, by the way, I'm still wondering why Tampa took him out of that World Series game. When you watch a pitch like he did last night. But this is what you love about baseball. How about the 8, 6 2? I remember when I cover, I was a B writer for two years. They said you're going to see things you've never seen before. Last night you watched the game. It's never happened before in the playoffs. An 862 double play. The Dodgers are the victims of it, and they still go on to win. You got to win a game like that if you're the Milwaukee brewers, so that's tough. But I'm going to turn to the Mariners for a second because I think the Dodgers are still the best team. They always find away. You think about where the Mariners were on Friday night. It felt like they won the game four times, but they could have lost it about four times. They sneak in by beating the Tigers. Polanco has the big hit in that game. He has one of the three home runs yesterday. There's something about this team. And now they go home. Like you just mentioned before, they get those two wins. First time in franchise history in the World Series. So there's a little magic there with the Seattle team.

Tony Kornheiser (8:59)

I'm just going to go to the 8, 62 briefly. I've watched baseball for 3,000 years. When it hit against the wall and he caught it, I somehow thought it was an out. I have seen so many people juggle the ball off their own glove, I actually thought it was an out. All right, let me get to Blake Snell, and I would forgive people if they don't remember that he's actually won the Cy Young twice. Once in Tampa Bay in 2018 and once in San Diego in 2023. Those are marginal franchises, not World Series winners. So maybe you could forget. In fact, Blake Snell has been in the bigs for 10 years, and he's only won 81 games in 10 years. He only started 11 games for the Dodgers this year. He didn't pitch at all between April 2nd and August 2nd. Didn't pitch right. So you could be forgiven if you didn't even know he was on the Dodgers. He goes out last night. He goes eight innings, eight full. He gives up one single and he picks that guy off. And what that means, Frank, is that he faces the minimum amount of batters possible in eight innings. And you know the last guy who did that in a postseason game? Yeah. It's Don Larson. Hello.

Frank Isola (10:04)

Yep.

Tony Kornheiser (10:05)

Hello, Don Larson. Pretty good comparison. Let's take a break. Coming up, we last Jeff Saturday what he saw on Baker Mayfield's big scramble.

Frank Isola (10:14)

And we'll also ask him for his advice for the 06 Jets. Oh, boy.

Tony Kornheiser (10:19)

Yeah. Blake Snell last year, 14 innings in the playoffs, two hits, two hits, no runs, 19 Ks Dodgers.

Frank Isola (10:27)

Come on, Dodgers. Starters are 61 in the playoffs and they got that lineup.

Jeff Saturday (10:32)

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Jeff Saturday (11:40)

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Tony Kornheiser (11:53)

Time to dig into the NFL trenches with our great friend ESPN NFL analyst Jeff Saturday. Let's start with this Baker Mayfield. If I had to Vote right now on MVP right now. And I understand there's a lot of games left, but I would vote Baker Mayfield for MVP at this point. What did you see in that great run when he went third and 14 and he got the first down? What did you see in that?

Jeff Saturday (12:15)

Oh, will and determination. I mean, how about that run? And just, you know, the way he spins out, he stretches forward, he gets the first down. And then the best part for an offensive lineman is when he gets up talking trash, you know, and he's like flexing to himself, you know, he's doing the whole Hulk thing, you know, and all fired up. And he plays with his emotions, right? He plays with them on his sleeve. And he's, he's done an incredible job this season. I would agree with you from an MVP perspective, he would be my vote right now as well. But he has. With all the injuries that they face, not only on the offensive line but at receiver, he keeps finding ways to get his team in positions to win. It's been a special beginning of the season for Baker Mayfield and he got a lot to smile about and so do his teammates.

Frank Isola (13:02)

All right, that's the good. Let's talk about the bad and the ugly. It's been a rough year for the Jets. The Jet fan will tell you it's been a rough 15 years for them. But right now, Aaron Glenn, 06. It's tough to coach in the NFL. You know that you were an interim. You lost seven in a row. How do you kind of navigate that? Those struggles? How do you do it?

Jeff Saturday (13:20)

Yeah, I think a large part of it is talking about for him. It's a little bit different than me being an interim versus him. Is, is. Is talking about the future of. Hey, here, here are the, the foundational stones that we're going to build this organization on and understand. I was in Detroit when we were 313 and 1 or whatever their record was, or where they were 0 and 9, I think, or something like that. When Dan, like I've been through tough storms and tough days. Like, I know what it feels like to have to drudge through, but we're trying to lay the foundational bricks for this organization. It's not going to be pretty. There's going to be some setbacks. But men, trust me, the long term vision of this is the way we need to head. And I think that part of him needs to be, needs to be vocal to his team. I don't care about what he says to the rest of us, but that needs to be the emphasis in the locker room. And I'll say this as well.

Tony Kornheiser (14:15)

Be.

Jeff Saturday (14:15)

Be a little more aggressive at this point, right? Like just kind of let it, let it. The season isn't going to be. You're not making the playoffs, right?

Tony Kornheiser (14:24)

So.

Jeff Saturday (14:24)

So let it. Let the guys kind of have fun with it. Because there's something about energy that breeds commitment, right? It's like when you breathe energy back into your team all of a sudd, you know, they. They start to feel it. The commitment kind of. Kind of gets reunified. So that's the other small piece of advice. Obviously, he's. He's much further along than I was, but that's what I would be telling him.

Frank Isola (14:47)

You played for some great teams with the Colts right now. Five and one and through six games they scored the most points in team history. What is different about the team this season?

Jeff Saturday (14:59)

No, I'm fired up for him. You know, it's, it's. I think Steichen's done a really good job of finding balance and it's, it's. I'm not trying. It's a very simplified way of playing, right. Like Daniel Jones, when he hits his spot, he knows where the ball has to be delivered. When they. They're running the ball. Jonathan Taylor knows how to make it happen. And oh, by the way, let's not miss this. Their offensive line is on fire. Quentin Nelson's playing well, but the entire offensive line has played good football. They're. They're a top five team in passing and a top six team in rushing. When you get to that and you're win in the trenches, it leads to a lot of plays being made by receivers down the field because your quarterback's got time and a lot of explosive plays from your running back, which we're seeing from Jonathan Taylor. All of those bode really well. And by the way they travel, they just got to keep doing it and no matter what opponent they play, keep stacking these dubs, man. And I respect the heck out of how they started and have some high expectations for the finish.

Tony Kornheiser (16:02)

We will get you out of here on this. Indianapolis has been very good. Miami has been very bad. After the game, their quarterback Tua took off after some teammates for either arriving late or not arriving at all at players meetings. I think this is a big deal internally anyway. How do you think that plays in their locker room, Jeff?

Jeff Saturday (16:23)

Yeah, so my wife Karen, she has these things for our family called tone, tact and timing. Right. You got to have the three T's in place and I Think Tua missed it a bit, right? The timing on this. It was not the right time, right? So. So take that into your locker room. Have those. Have those conversations with the guys, whoever it is in particular, or if you want to have a team meeting, address it that way. You don't address it after a loss. There was a devastating loss at the end. Right. And point guys out. Here's the thing. He. He hasn't played right. He hasn't played great either. Right. He's made mistakes. So we're all making mistakes. So let's make sure it's all we. And there's no that guy and this guy and that. And then I think McDaniels made worse, right? Like, he goes over the top and he created even more of a monster. Like, don't address it to the media. Go address it with Tua and the football team. Hey, guys, like, not everything has to be aired out in front of everyone else. I just think it's. The timing was. Was wrong for two. I don't think his heart was necessarily in the wrong place, but I think they got to figure that organizational alignment matters, y'.

Frank Isola (17:29)

All. And.

Jeff Saturday (17:29)

And it's like you're hearing different voices. It's hard to win that way. They need to clean that part up to get this thing back on the right. On the right. Direct or going in the right.

Tony Kornheiser (17:40)

It's good to hear. Thank you, Jeff, as always. Much thanks.

Jeff Saturday (17:43)

I appreciate it.

Tony Kornheiser (17:45)

We'll take one last break. When we return, Cape Verde's soccer team takes on my population theory.

Frank Isola (17:54)

And the NHL loses another Kachuk brother.

Tony Kornheiser (17:58)

I don't know how many Kachuk brothers there are. Yeah. But my theory is that you, you know, the smaller the population, the harder it is to win. You know, it's why I think we should win more. In soccer, we lose to places that have 1/20 of our population.

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Tony Kornheiser (19:28)

Happy time, people. Happy 23rd birthday. Ameca Abuka, the Tampa Bay rookie wideout was the 19th overall pick in the most recent NFL draft. He played at Ohio State and had 81 catches and 10 touchdowns for the Buckeyes team that won the national championship last January. Ebuka has already caught 27 passes for 469 yards and five touchdowns in six games for the Bucs. The 469 yards is fourth in the league. The five touchdowns are tied for third. Abuka is averaging 17.4 yards per catch, which is fourth in the league. So Buuka presents himself as a candidate for Rookie of the Year. But he hurt his hamstring on Sunday against 49ers and the NFL Network is expecting him to miss some time because of it.

Frank Isola (20:12)

It's amazing how Ohio State turns out great players. Quarterback a little iffy, but wide receiver. There are great ones all over the NFL and they all come from Ohio State pretty good.

Tony Kornheiser (20:23)

Happy anniversary. Ozzie Newsom on the state 41 years ago, the Browns future Hall of Fame tight end set franchise records for catches and receiving yards in a single game. Newsom had 14 receptions for 191 yards and a loss to the Jets. These records stood for decades until 2013 when Josh Gordon caught passes for 261 yards in one game to break one Newsom record and caught 14 passes in a game to tie the other. Newsom still owns the Brown square record for catching 662 and yards 7,980. Newsom's continued fame stems from his career as the Baltimore Ravens general manager and his presence as an architect of the Ravens two Super bowl wins. Newsom is credited for drafting, among others, Ray Lewis, Jonathan Ogden, Ed Reed. No longer the gm, Newsom is an executive VP in Baltimore.

Frank Isola (21:14)

Think about all the great tight ends from that era. Dave Casper, remember him with Oakland, Kellen Winslow, Russ Francis with New England. Newsom was unbelievable. But how many guys have had the great playing career and then Segued into a career like that as an executive. Really remarkable.

Tony Kornheiser (21:33)

Very few. Happy trails. Brady Tkachuk, the Ottawa Senators captain injured his hand in Monday night's 4 to 1 loss to the Predators. He is expected to miss at least four weeks. Surgery has not been ruled out for the who is not just an important cog for Ottawa, but has been expected to be in the running to wear the sea for Team USA come February's Olympic Games in Milano. Cortina surgery could complicate that. Both Tkachuk brothers are out now with injury as Matthew Tkachuk of the Panthers continues to recover from off season abductor surgery.

Frank Isola (22:04)

Look at, look at you bringing up the Olympics. So let me ask you, can we win if we don't have the Tkachuk brothers in Italy? Maybe not. I mean, maybe not.

Tony Kornheiser (22:14)

It's the first time in a while, right, that the NHL pros are back in it. Yeah, I think. Maybe not. Sure, Canada would be the favorites, but we're in the top three. Yeah, of course we could win it. Let's go to the big finish. Purdue is atop the men's preseason college basketball bowl. Does that make sense to you?

Frank Isola (22:33)

How about the fact that St. John's is in the top five? Rick Patino and St. John's in the top five. I love it. UConn top South Carolina in the women's preseason poll. Your thoughts?

Tony Kornheiser (22:44)

They were the best teams last year. They played in the finals. UConn drilled them in the finals. They're probably the best two this year. Utah Jazz first round pick Ace Bailey apparently has tendinitis in both knees. Does that cause for concern?

Frank Isola (22:57)

You know, the head coach, Will Hardy said, you know, he's not really concerned right now. Remember though, you know, Ace Bailey didn't want to get drafted by Utah. Now he's all banged up. Cape Verde this is story right for you. Tony, population 525,000 has qualified for the World cup for the first time ever. Is that a big deal?

Tony Kornheiser (23:16)

Second smallest country ever. Iceland is the smallest. That's why I'm rooting for the Faroe Islands to get in. There's more teams. Put the Faroe Islands in last one. US Men's soccer takes on Australia in a friendly tonight. Is that significant? Frank?

Frank Isola (23:29)

We played really well against Ecuador the other night. It's not really a big deal. But in other news, Italy beat Israel. Italy may be moving closer to qualifying for the World Cup. They missed out on the last two.

Tony Kornheiser (23:41)

We're out of time. We will try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

Frank Isola (23:46)

And I'm Frank Isola. Thanks for watching.

Jeff Saturday (23:49)

A 20 year old soldier goes missing.

Tony Kornheiser (23:51)

From a U.S. army base.

Frank Isola (23:54)

How can she go missing on a military base? That's too ridiculous.

Tony Kornheiser (23:58)

What would come to light is horrifying and ignites a movement that sparks a reckoning in the US Military. Listen to Vanished what Happened to Vanessa? A new series from ABC Audio in 2020. Listen now wherever you get your podcasts.