PTI Podcast Summary: "Bigger Deal: Eagles Loss or Chiefs Win?!"

Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon
Theme: Dissecting the biggest NFL storylines from the past weekend, including the Eagles’ last-second loss to the Cowboys and the Chiefs' comeback win, playoff implications, and year-in-review "Turkeys of the Year."

Episode Overview

Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon square off on the biggest conversations in football as Thanksgiving approaches. The fellas open with a debate over which NFL result matters more: the Eagles’ dramatic loss to the Cowboys or the Chiefs clawing out an overtime victory to save their season. They dig into team strengths, playoff outlooks, and individual brilliance (and foolishness) across the league, then keep things lively with their annual "Turkeys of the Year" segment, spotlighting some of the most head-scratching sports moments of the year.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles' Loss vs. Chiefs' Win: Which is the Bigger Deal?

Timestamps: 01:01–04:13

• Wilbon’s Take: The Chiefs’ win is the real headline because their season was on the brink, down 11 at home to the Colts. A loss would have left them “looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.” (01:43)

  • “Kansas City, they lose that game yesterday and they’re looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.” — Wilbon (01:54)
  • Eagles’ drama is “all noise” because, even after the loss, they're still first in their division and barely behind the Rams in the NFC.

• Tony’s View: Agrees in principle but uses the Cowboys’ dominance to pivot.

  • Dak Prescott is “amazing” at home (22-2 in division), legitimizing his massive contract, but the real shock is Dallas’s defense: they held the Eagles scoreless for the final 41 minutes and scored 24 unanswered points. (02:40–03:19)
  • Ultimately aligns with Wilbon: “On the overall thing, yes. Kansas City is the bigger deal.”
  • Mahomes’ late-game heroics seal the segment: “In the last, I don’t know, 15 minutes of that game, he’s the best football player on the planet.” — Tony (04:00)

• Notable Quote:

  • “You cannot...stick a fork in the Cowboys. They're not done. They're not done.” — Tony (04:42)

2. Playoff Picture & Upcoming Marquee Matchup

Timestamps: 04:13–05:08

• The Cowboys face the Chiefs on Thursday night. Wilbon calls it a “de facto elimination game”—the loser could be out of true contention. Both wish it could be moved to primetime (04:21).
  • “That's going to be the highest rated NFL game in years... I believe the team that loses that game is out. I believe they're out.” — Tony (04:21)

3. Rams vs. Patriots: Who’s the Better Team?

Timestamps: 05:08–07:43

• Tony: Rams, because the NFC is deeper, schedule is tougher, and the Rams “could be 11-0” if not for freak losses. Patriots’ run is “one of the great turnarounds we’ve ever seen,” but a last-place schedule tempers the hype.

  • “The Rams have been good for a while. You know, the Rams are not surprising anybody. The most surprising team in the league is the Patriots...” — Tony (06:13)

• Wilbon: Agrees mainly due to the Rams’ strength of schedule: wins over top playoff teams like Baltimore, Jacksonville, Seattle, SF, Tampa Bay. (07:41)

  • Both believe Matthew Stafford is a strong MVP candidate (“27 touchdowns and no picks over his last 9 games” — Tony, 07:25), with supporting receiver Puka Nakua leading the league in receptions.

4. Ravens Surging, Myles Garrett’s Dominance, and the Bears' Surprising Season

Timestamps: 07:43–11:16

• Ravens win fifth straight, upsetting the division. Wilbon diverts to praise Myles Garrett’s monster line (“13 sacks in his last four games, seven in his last two” — 08:42), placing him in rare NFL company.
  • “The best player in the NFL right now is the guy who has 13 sacks in his last four games...and that’s Myles Garrett.” — Wilbon (09:06)
• Tony can’t give the Ravens a full headline for beating “the Jets” but admires Bears’ coaching and late-game luck: “How are they doing this? They have a negative plus-minus differential and they're eight... Are they eight and three?” (10:19)

5. Turkeys of the Year: 2025 Edition

Timestamps: 13:09–17:58

• Segment Tone: Playful, rapid-fire, and irreverent.

• Selections:

  • Brooks Barnheiser, the “Torturer,” losing both real and fake teeth in games — “he’s a tough guy” (14:25)
  • Junior Caminero, “over-celebrator,” likely to get thrown at after a bazooka home run trot (14:39)
  • Brandon Ingram, “refreshment rifler,” hilariously pelting a drink into the stands (16:27)
  • Jalen Carter and multiple NFL players for unsporting spit-related infractions (17:35)
  • “You should be allowed to smack the guy if he spits on you... they're tied for the award.” — Tony (17:51)

• Not-limited to football; includes tennis tantrums, managers thrown out, spitters, clipboard smashers, and hockey strangeholds.

• Memorable Quote:

  • “That's the list. That's our Turkeys of the Year. Including me in this dopey outfit.” — Tony (17:58)

6. Noteworthy Other Segments

Timestamps: 21:24–24:14

• Oscar Robertson's Birthday: Both hosts honor “the big O” as “the greatest all-around basketball player of all time.” Tony: “He was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson.” (21:33)
• Infamous Thanksgiving Turkey Moments: Revisiting Leon Lett’s blocked kick blunder (“particularly turkey since it happened on Thanksgiving Day,” 22:31) and Gus Frerotte’s self-concussion celebration (22:38).

7. Big Finish – Rapid Fire Questions

Timestamps: 23:54–25:11

• Chris Paul reportedly retiring at season’s end. Wilbon: “Congratulations on one of the great careers of all time. I don’t want to hear about rings.” (24:01)
• Panthers vs. Niners prediction: Tony favors the 49ers as the “safer pick.” (24:52)
• Miko Rantanen’s suspension: Wilbon feels it should be longer than one game following repeat offenses. (25:03)

Notable Quotes

• “Kansas City, they lose that game yesterday and they're looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.”
  — Michael Wilbon, 01:54
• “In the last, I don’t know, 15 minutes of that game, he’s the best football player on the planet.”
  — Tony Kornheiser on Mahomes, 04:00
• “You cannot...stick a fork in the Cowboys. They're not done. They're not done.”
  — Tony Kornheiser, 04:42
• “The best player in the NFL right now is the guy who has 13 sacks in his last four games...and that’s Myles Garrett.”
  — Michael Wilbon, 09:06
• “He was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson. Yes, one of the greatest players of all time.”
  — Tony Kornheiser, 21:33

Segment Timestamps for Key Conversations

• Eagles or Chiefs – What’s the bigger deal: 01:01–04:13
• Cowboys upcoming vs. Chiefs (playoff stakes): 04:13–05:08
• Rams vs. Patriots / Who’s #1: 05:08–07:43
• AFC North / Ravens & Myles Garrett / Bears luck: 07:43–11:16
• Turkeys of the Year: 13:09–17:58
• Oscar Robertson tribute: 21:24–21:33
• Thanksgiving ‘turkey’ sports blunders: 22:31–22:38
• Big Finish (Chris Paul, NCAA): 23:54–25:11

Episode Tone & Takeaways

The hosts weave their trademark blend of sharp analysis and banter, balancing respect for excellence (Mahomes, Garrett, Stafford) with an annual roast of the league’s goofiest moments. The mood is festive, self-deprecating, and incisively sports-nerdy, capturing what makes PTI essential pre-holiday listening.

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