Bigger Deal: Eagles Loss or Chiefs Win?!

Summary

PTI Podcast Summary: "Bigger Deal: Eagles Loss or Chiefs Win?!"

Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon
Theme: Dissecting the biggest NFL storylines from the past weekend, including the Eagles’ last-second loss to the Cowboys and the Chiefs' comeback win, playoff implications, and year-in-review "Turkeys of the Year."

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Episode Overview

Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon square off on the biggest conversations in football as Thanksgiving approaches. The fellas open with a debate over which NFL result matters more: the Eagles’ dramatic loss to the Cowboys or the Chiefs clawing out an overtime victory to save their season. They dig into team strengths, playoff outlooks, and individual brilliance (and foolishness) across the league, then keep things lively with their annual "Turkeys of the Year" segment, spotlighting some of the most head-scratching sports moments of the year.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Eagles' Loss vs. Chiefs' Win: Which is the Bigger Deal?

Timestamps: 01:01–04:13

• Wilbon’s Take: The Chiefs’ win is the real headline because their season was on the brink, down 11 at home to the Colts. A loss would have left them “looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.” (01:43)

  • “Kansas City, they lose that game yesterday and they’re looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.” — Wilbon (01:54)
  • Eagles’ drama is “all noise” because, even after the loss, they're still first in their division and barely behind the Rams in the NFC.

• Tony’s View: Agrees in principle but uses the Cowboys’ dominance to pivot.

  • Dak Prescott is “amazing” at home (22-2 in division), legitimizing his massive contract, but the real shock is Dallas’s defense: they held the Eagles scoreless for the final 41 minutes and scored 24 unanswered points. (02:40–03:19)
  • Ultimately aligns with Wilbon: “On the overall thing, yes. Kansas City is the bigger deal.”
  • Mahomes’ late-game heroics seal the segment: “In the last, I don’t know, 15 minutes of that game, he’s the best football player on the planet.” — Tony (04:00)

• Notable Quote:

  • “You cannot...stick a fork in the Cowboys. They're not done. They're not done.” — Tony (04:42)

2. Playoff Picture & Upcoming Marquee Matchup

Timestamps: 04:13–05:08

• The Cowboys face the Chiefs on Thursday night. Wilbon calls it a “de facto elimination game”—the loser could be out of true contention. Both wish it could be moved to primetime (04:21).
  • “That's going to be the highest rated NFL game in years... I believe the team that loses that game is out. I believe they're out.” — Tony (04:21)

3. Rams vs. Patriots: Who’s the Better Team?

Timestamps: 05:08–07:43

• Tony: Rams, because the NFC is deeper, schedule is tougher, and the Rams “could be 11-0” if not for freak losses. Patriots’ run is “one of the great turnarounds we’ve ever seen,” but a last-place schedule tempers the hype.

  • “The Rams have been good for a while. You know, the Rams are not surprising anybody. The most surprising team in the league is the Patriots...” — Tony (06:13)

• Wilbon: Agrees mainly due to the Rams’ strength of schedule: wins over top playoff teams like Baltimore, Jacksonville, Seattle, SF, Tampa Bay. (07:41)

  • Both believe Matthew Stafford is a strong MVP candidate (“27 touchdowns and no picks over his last 9 games” — Tony, 07:25), with supporting receiver Puka Nakua leading the league in receptions.

4. Ravens Surging, Myles Garrett’s Dominance, and the Bears' Surprising Season

Timestamps: 07:43–11:16

• Ravens win fifth straight, upsetting the division. Wilbon diverts to praise Myles Garrett’s monster line (“13 sacks in his last four games, seven in his last two” — 08:42), placing him in rare NFL company.
  • “The best player in the NFL right now is the guy who has 13 sacks in his last four games...and that’s Myles Garrett.” — Wilbon (09:06)
• Tony can’t give the Ravens a full headline for beating “the Jets” but admires Bears’ coaching and late-game luck: “How are they doing this? They have a negative plus-minus differential and they're eight... Are they eight and three?” (10:19)

5. Turkeys of the Year: 2025 Edition

Timestamps: 13:09–17:58

• Segment Tone: Playful, rapid-fire, and irreverent.

• Selections:

  • Brooks Barnheiser, the “Torturer,” losing both real and fake teeth in games — “he’s a tough guy” (14:25)
  • Junior Caminero, “over-celebrator,” likely to get thrown at after a bazooka home run trot (14:39)
  • Brandon Ingram, “refreshment rifler,” hilariously pelting a drink into the stands (16:27)
  • Jalen Carter and multiple NFL players for unsporting spit-related infractions (17:35)
  • “You should be allowed to smack the guy if he spits on you... they're tied for the award.” — Tony (17:51)

• Not-limited to football; includes tennis tantrums, managers thrown out, spitters, clipboard smashers, and hockey strangeholds.

• Memorable Quote:

  • “That's the list. That's our Turkeys of the Year. Including me in this dopey outfit.” — Tony (17:58)

6. Noteworthy Other Segments

Timestamps: 21:24–24:14

• Oscar Robertson's Birthday: Both hosts honor “the big O” as “the greatest all-around basketball player of all time.” Tony: “He was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson.” (21:33)
• Infamous Thanksgiving Turkey Moments: Revisiting Leon Lett’s blocked kick blunder (“particularly turkey since it happened on Thanksgiving Day,” 22:31) and Gus Frerotte’s self-concussion celebration (22:38).

7. Big Finish – Rapid Fire Questions

Timestamps: 23:54–25:11

• Chris Paul reportedly retiring at season’s end. Wilbon: “Congratulations on one of the great careers of all time. I don’t want to hear about rings.” (24:01)
• Panthers vs. Niners prediction: Tony favors the 49ers as the “safer pick.” (24:52)
• Miko Rantanen’s suspension: Wilbon feels it should be longer than one game following repeat offenses. (25:03)

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Notable Quotes

• “Kansas City, they lose that game yesterday and they're looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.”
  — Michael Wilbon, 01:54
• “In the last, I don’t know, 15 minutes of that game, he’s the best football player on the planet.”
  — Tony Kornheiser on Mahomes, 04:00
• “You cannot...stick a fork in the Cowboys. They're not done. They're not done.”
  — Tony Kornheiser, 04:42
• “The best player in the NFL right now is the guy who has 13 sacks in his last four games...and that’s Myles Garrett.”
  — Michael Wilbon, 09:06
• “He was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson. Yes, one of the greatest players of all time.”
  — Tony Kornheiser, 21:33

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Segment Timestamps for Key Conversations

• Eagles or Chiefs – What’s the bigger deal: 01:01–04:13
• Cowboys upcoming vs. Chiefs (playoff stakes): 04:13–05:08
• Rams vs. Patriots / Who’s #1: 05:08–07:43
• AFC North / Ravens & Myles Garrett / Bears luck: 07:43–11:16
• Turkeys of the Year: 13:09–17:58
• Oscar Robertson tribute: 21:24–21:33
• Thanksgiving ‘turkey’ sports blunders: 22:31–22:38
• Big Finish (Chris Paul, NCAA): 23:54–25:11

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

The hosts weave their trademark blend of sharp analysis and banter, balancing respect for excellence (Mahomes, Garrett, Stafford) with an annual roast of the league’s goofiest moments. The mood is festive, self-deprecating, and incisively sports-nerdy, capturing what makes PTI essential pre-holiday listening.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's our only show of the week, Tony, so let's not get distracted by this huge Thanksgiving spread. Oops.

[C]

You're just gonna eat the turkey.

[B]

Okay. That is something worthy of Fred Flintstone. It's huge.

[C]

Yeah, it's a beautiful turkey.

[B]

Huge.

[C]

A beautiful bird, as people like to say. Beautiful.

[B]

What kind of pie is that?

[C]

You know, I don't like that. Pumpkin pie. Is it? I'm not a pumpkin pie guy. What is that?

[B]

Pumpkin.

[C]

I don't. No, I just like apple pie. I just like apple pie. What are you asking for? Commercial. I'm sorry, Chevy. When was the last time you had any fruit in your system? You don't eat fruit. Apples. You didn't want to eat the good apples from the other day. Welcome to PTI Thanksgiving special, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Rams and Patriots win again. The Ravens are back on top of the AFC north and our Turkeys of the year. But we begin today with last year's super bowl teams, Philadelphia and Kansas City. Yesterday, the Eagles lost on its last second field goal to The Dallas Cowboys. 2421.

[B]

Cowboys.

[C]

And the Chiefs won on a field goal in overtime after tying their game against Indianapolis on a last second field goal in regulation. Wilbaugh, which is the bigger deal?

[B]

Kansas City. It's not even close because the Eagles and all their drama. I know. All we do is talk about the Eagles and who's angry, who's upset, you know, sorry. The Eagles still woke up this morning in first place. That's right. In their division and about that far behind the Rams at the top of the nfc. That's not the case with Kansas City. Kansas City, they lose that game yesterday and they're looking up out of a hole so deep they may not get out at all.

[C]

True.

[B]

They had to win that game. They're down 11, and you don't see Patrick Mahomes in Kansas City down 11 at home very often. And you think, oh, my God, the Colts are in control of this game. And maybe they were in control. But they let it slip. But no, no, Tony, this is about the Chiefs coming through. Cuz they had to.

[C]

I'm gonna disagree a little. Bear with me with this, okay? I love this story. I love it because we have to talk about the Cowboys now. And I know how much you hate doing that. I do.

[B]

I hate.

[C]

I know that you wake up every morning and you call me and you rail about the fact that the get up show and the First Take show have spent their capital on the Cowboys day after day after day after day. And now we have to do it too. Dak Prescott's record in division at home in Dallas.

[B]

Amazing.

[C]

22. 2. Amazing. And you know what that says. That's why Dak got his money. To recall an earlier theme on all of those shows. So now the Cowboys have Dak and they also suddenly have a defense. They held Philadelphia to no points for the last 41 minutes of that game with those trades. And they. Yes, I am. And they scored the last 24 points themselves.

[B]

They did.

[C]

Amazing. I agree with you on this. The Eagles are not the bigger deal cuz they're still in the playoffs. The Cowboys winning this game is the bigger deal. On the overall thing, yes. Kansas City is the bigger deal. Kansas City was down 20 to 9. Kansas City looked like they were out. Suddenly you believe in spags. That defense stiffened up, they scored that late touchdown, then they had to go for two and they got. That's the critical moment when they got the two.

[B]

So they can be within a field.

[C]

Goal and they get the field goal later.

[B]

There's a point in at all. Will you wonder if Mahomes just like doesn't have a temporary point?

[C]

There were lots of points but Patrick Mahomes, in the last, I don't know, 15 minutes of that game, he's the best football player on the planet. Now I know how you hate talking about the Cowboys. I know this wiles you so much.

[B]

It does.

[C]

What about the fact that the Cowboys are going to play Kansas Chiefs on Thursday night?

[B]

That's better.

[C]

That's going to be the highest rated NFL game in years. And it's another thing too. It's an elimination game. I believe the team that loses that game is out. I believe they're out.

[B]

They should flop it. They should flop and put that game prime time. If they could on Thanksgiving night. Wipe the table clean and let's go to that game.

[C]

You cannot. It doesn't matter how many times you stick a fork in the Cowboys. They're not done. They're not done.

[B]

This is hard to take. I mean, I have to like apologize to Greeny now for attacking him.

[C]

No, you don't. All the time. Oh, stop. You don't have to apologize. You were right.

[B]

I hate the Cowboys. I hate to talk about the Cowboys.

[C]

You have to.

[B]

Let's move.

[C]

We're off the rest of the week.

[B]

So, you know, we're done. We don't have to worry about it.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

But in the meantime, we're going to move to the conference leaders. The Rams have the best record in the NFC after crushing the Buccaneers to go 92 and atop the AFC, the Patriots are now 10 and 2 after surviving a tight one with the Bengals. It's New England's ninth win in a row. Nobody had that starting the season. Tony, are the Rams or the Patriots a better team in your mind?

[C]

The Rams are the better team. The NFC is better than the afc. The Rams are on top of the better division. That makes them better. They also beat Seattle. I don't believe anyone on the New England resume is as good as Seattle.

[B]

And the Rams, they did win at Buffalo. But I'm with you on strength of schedule.

[C]

That goes to tilts to the Rams. The rams could be 11 and 0. The Rams lost to the Eagles on that bizarre play where the field goal was blocked and run back for a touchdown. And they lost in overtime to San Francisco. I am not saying this to disparage in any way New England. As you know, I think Mike Vrabel is the coach of the year at the moment. And the Rams, the Rams have been good for a while. You know, the Rams are not surprising anybody. The most surprising team in the league is the Patriots. They are. What are they? 10 and 2. They've won nine games in a row. Their record the last two years combined is 8 and 26. So nobody, nobody saw this coming. You know. Now it is true that they had the benefit of a last place schedule, but still they're. It's one of the great turnarounds that we've ever seen. To answer this question, I look at this. If they played each other, who would win? The Rams would win.

[B]

I'm not so sure about that. I'm going to give the answer to this question to the Rams because of strength of schedule, plain and simple. By the way, the Patriots got a last place schedule. How did they get that schedule? And the Bears have what we have coming up.

[C]

They also have, they have coming up, Miami, the Jets and the Giants, something like that. Three more.

[B]

They're going to be the Patriots. Other than some calamity 13. At least they're going to be the 1 seed in the AFC. Plain and simple. Now it looks like the Rams are. Although the Eagles could still steady themselves. They seem to be the. I guess Seattle could be a threat. Nobody else.

[C]

I don't think that matters.

[B]

I know it does matter. But the Rams also have the MVP in your mind. Do they?

[C]

Oh, 100%. Matthew Stafford. Matthew Stafford, over his last nine games has something like 27 touchdowns and no picks whatsoever. I mean, that's really impressive. In their last six games, here are five teams they beat. Their playoff teams. Baltimore, Jacksonville, Seattle, San Francisco, Tampa Bay.

[B]

That's why the strength of schedule gives them the nod.

[C]

Easy. DeVontae Adams has 12 receiving touchdowns. That's the most in the league. He's not the best receiver on the team. Puka Nakua has 80 catches. That's the best in the league. And we all talked about last week. Houston's defense, the Rams defense allows the least. No top one allows the least amount of points. 16.3. The Rams are loaded. The Rams are loaded. Right now they do. Let's go to the AFC north where the sleeping Ravens have awakened. They won their fifth game in a row yesterday, beating the Jets 23 10. They are now in first place in that division because Pittsburgh lost to your Chicago Bears 31 28. Now the Steelers would lose the tiebreaker to the Ravens in division. They would be out of the playoffs. And by the way, also in that division, Shedor Sanders had a pretty good game. Browns beat the Raiders 24:10. After which Raiders offensive coordinator Chip Kelly got the heave ho wilbon of all this stuff. What's your headline?

[B]

I'm sorry, you mentioned Cleveland and you didn't mention. And bow your head when you say this Myles Garrett.

[C]

No, I did not.

[B]

Okay, maybe Matthew Stafford is the best player in the MVP in the league because he's a quarterback on a winning team. The best player in the NFL right now is the guy who has 13 sacks in his last four games. Okay, seven in his last two. Who's up there now with the likes of Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White? And that's Myles Garrett.

[C]

But he's not going to win the MVP because he's on a losing team.

[B]

I know, but I'm just saying. Headline.

[C]

Oh, that's your headline?

[B]

This guy keeps Shador Sanders. If they're down as many points as they could be down, Shador Sanders don't even matter.

[C]

That's right.

[B]

And by the way, I'm rooting because we root for his Father and half for a long time. We root for Shador Sanders. You and I do. Come on now. Miles Garrett.

[C]

Okay, so that's your answer.

[B]

By the way, Joe Burrow coming back. He's going to play Thursday night.

[C]

I am tempted to say as a headline, Rodgers out. Steelers lose. Because I think he owns the Bears. I believe he has said that a number of times when he was in Green Bay. Right. You know, and I can't help but think that if there might have been something. I can't give the headline to the Ravens because, come on, they beat the jets, right. I understand they won five in a row. Maybe they get a cumulative headline. But three of those five are the Jets, Miami and Cleveland. And I can't give Shador Sanders the headline because he was better than last week. Last week he was terrible. He was okay. He was 11 for 20. He was fine.

[B]

But it was the first week. He is prepared and I understand. Like he was.

[C]

But I'm annoyed. I'm going to allude to what you said before. I got annoyed when he said everyone wants me to lose.

[B]

No, I don't want him to lose.

[C]

And you don't want him to lose. In fact, we root for him.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

So reluctantly, here is my headline of all of this. Bears win again. How are they doing this? They have a negative plus minus differential and they're eight. Are they eight and three?

[B]

How about this?

[C]

I would say their coaches. My second choice for coach of the year right now. Ben Johnson.

[B]

Tony, in every defensive metric, we're somewhere between 28 and 32.

[C]

How are you doing this?

[B]

I believe my man Caleb. I believe. I don't want to. I believe this is it, though. I think he has the lowest completion percentage of.

[C]

How can you be 8 and 3?

[B]

It's timely. We have these. A block field goal in the last play. Two field goals in ended games. Every game is close. How about the Cincinnati game where two guys crash into each other and are rookie tight end and can't tackle them? I don't know. But that Commander's game, every time the Bears and Commanders play, something inexplicable happens the rest of the year.

[C]

I got two or three words for you. What? One word is Eagles on Friday. That's three words. And then at Green Bay, that's three more. Let's take a break. Coming up, it's our Turkeys of the year, which are so good that these Phillies outfielders don't make the cut.

[B]

Neither is Giannis. Midnight blue Friday. That's what is known as in my house. Not Black Friday Midnight Blue Bears, Eagles.

[C]

Oh, okay.

[B]

Bear's Eagle.

[C]

So you'll be watching?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I think you'll be watching.

[B]

Don wants to go. I'm like, no, I'm not doing that.

[C]

Let Don go.

[B]

No, let Don throw Don in.

[C]

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[C]

Welcome back to Pardon the Interruption presented by Crown Royal. Part of happy hour. It's time to serve up our Turkeys of the year. Wilbon, tell them the criteria.

[B]

What criteria? Tomorrow. No criteria.

[C]

None. Let's dish him out.

[B]

Let's do it.

[C]

Let's start with Kirby. Smart timeout, tale teller.

[B]

No, Kirby's not hot. We got bigger fish to fry. Or turkeys to fry. No, not sure.

[C]

All right. Tory Lovullo, misguided manager. He's trying to throw them out. They threw him out.

[B]

But it's not like Earl Weaver where he starts throwing bases and kicking dirt.

[C]

So you don't like it?

[B]

Not far enough. You don't like it.

[D]

All right.

[C]

Brian Daboll. Concussion. Tense concussion. Ted Crasher tries to get in. Then he yells at the physician. And you know what he gets for his trouble? You're fired.

[B]

It's like needing a bouncer to keep the coach out. That's crazy.

[C]

Eastern Washington qb. Sloppy spiker. It's so sad.

[B]

No, it's sad.

[C]

You can't call him a turkey.

[B]

And he's a kid. He's losing his nil money.

[C]

C.J. carr, snap snap four. He's calling signals and he doesn't see the ball.

[B]

Well, that's the center's fault. The center's the turkey, not the.

[C]

All right, here's a guy you know very well. Brooks Barnheiser.

[B]

My man Barnheiser.

[C]

Torturer. Wilbon. He loses real teeth, then he loses fake teeth.

[B]

I know, but he's a tough guy.

[C]

He's got a dental school.

[B]

He's in the league now.

[C]

He got a dental school in Evanston? Not anymore. This is bad. Look, he's gonna take out his teeth and toss him.

[B]

Oh, no.

[C]

Come on. Junior Caminero, over celebrator, hits a go ahead home run in the top of the night. Takes a minute to round the bases. They're gonna throw at him in the next game, aren't they?

[B]

He would be a high nominee. But this was so cool.

[C]

We.

[B]

We agree on that, right?

[C]

Yeah. Well, it wins.

[B]

He didn't like it.

[C]

But it's the top of he didn't.

[B]

Like it a day.

[C]

Mitchell, premature celebrator. He drops the ball.

[B]

Okay, you know, Colts lose the game, he's gone.

[C]

They traded him to the Jets. That's like going to prison.

[B]

That's punishment enough.

[C]

Amari DiMarcado, premature celebrator. Jonathan Gannon. I can't even read it. Combustible corrector.

[B]

See, I thought he was in. I thought that the ball. I don't blame the coach, but Gannon.

[C]

I don't blame the Colt. I don't blame him.

[B]

He went too far and I thought the ball.

[C]

Jordan, battle, scoop and score. Screw upper. It's another one.

[B]

Another one. Hold on to the ball, people.

[C]

It's really bad.

[B]

Right through the end zone.

[C]

No, it's a plague. All right, the next one. Daniil Medvedev. Match point. Maniac. You like this guy, right?

[B]

I like Medvedev.

[C]

You like this? Do you like this whole.

[B]

He's sort of creepy.

[C]

He hijacked the match.

[B]

He does. He. He is.

[C]

Hijacked the whole. Man.

[B]

He's the. The resident crazy tennis player of this era.

[C]

Yeah, and he's gonna break your own head. Wyndham Clark, driver, chucker and locker smasher.

[B]

He is a serious.

[C]

Can't do this at Oakmont.

[B]

There's letters about him.

[C]

Yeah, he can't do this at all.

[B]

He's been banned.

[C]

Right? Wait. Smash the walker on the golf course. You know, Smash his head.

[B]

Tennis courts.

[C]

Not good. Adam Hadwin. Another golfer. Sprinkler, Smacker. That's cor. Look at that. That explodes. So he paid for the Repairs. And then he bought lunch for the maintenance crew. We don't know if Carl Spackler was part of that maintenance crew. He sort of liked that. Brandon Ingram, your boy. Refreshment rifler. This is going out of control. Look at this. Look at all this.

[B]

It's just amazing to see Brandon Ingram in a uniform. Is that what they teach one so rarely?

[C]

Here are the Gnats. Gnats? Ground crew member. Tarp tripper. He's underneath. You know the screw ups with the Nats are usually the bullpen.

[B]

That's the only way the Gnats make this category.

[C]

I think that's true. That was said. Mika Zabanjad skate sticker. Did you ever see this?

[B]

No.

[C]

A stick stuck in the guy's skate. How do you do that? That can't happen very often.

[B]

I should have picked it up.

[C]

And they have to give it back to him. Going through the penalty bound. Here's your boy. Brad Marchand. Senator Strangler. Chokehold on an Ottawa player. He can't have tries without Marchand.

[B]

Every year now.

[C]

He won a Stanley Cup.

[B]

Okay. But he's disqualified.

[C]

Qualified Stanley cup in Florida.

[B]

Disgusting.

[C]

Here's your girl. Kim Mulkey. Clipboard clubber.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

Stylist. Kim Mulkey goes crazy.

[B]

Hall of Fame classmate.

[C]

That's right. Oh, I love her. Think she's great.

[B]

Love Kim Mul.

[C]

I'm glad you love her. Now. Jose. Jose Mourinho. Nose nabber. He picks the guy's nose. What is that? Famous soccer coach.

[B]

With respect. A right. Respect as you can.

[C]

We're gonna give him a pass.

[B]

Serious.

[C]

The other guy overreacted. Unsporting spitters. Jalen Carter. Eagles spitting on Dak.

[B]

Apparently.

[C]

Florida spits on a USF player. Jamar Chase. Bengals spits on Ramsey three ways. Darius Curry. Colorado State spits on a Boise.

[B]

How many?

[C]

It's. It's.

[B]

Chase apologized. So it matters.

[C]

It's bad, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You can't. You should be allowed to smack the guy if he spits on you. And this is.

[B]

They're tied for the award.

[C]

That's it. That's the list. That's our Turkeys of the year. Including me in this dopey outfit. Let's take one last break. Still to come, the Giants make another change after falling to Jameer Gibbs and the Lions.

[B]

And after another rough outing. Should the Vikings stick with Young JJ.

[C]

The Lions game and the Chiefs game were thrilling. They saved their seasons.

[B]

Maybe.

[C]

Don't you think they could have been out.

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By the way, do we have to name this After Joe Turn Turkey Jones. Does anybody remember him? I don't even remember Cleveland Browns lineman, Defensive lineman, right? Joe Turkey Jones.

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Pardon the interruption is presented by Crown Royal. Please drink responsibly part of Happy hour. Happy time people. Happy 87th birthday Oscar Robertson History lesson kids when he played the big O was the greatest all around basketball player of all time. He was a three time Player of the Year and a three time scoring champion in college at Cincinnati. He was on the Gold medal Olympic basketball team in 1960 US team great team rookie of the year in 1961 with the NBA Cincinnati Royals. Robertson was a 12 time all star, a six time assist leader and an NBA champion in 1971 alongside a young Kareem Abdul Jabbar. Rounding off the numbers a 6, 5 guard averaged a triple double in four different seasons. It is also the 82nd birthday of another all time point guard, Dave Bing of the Pistons. Also NBA Rookie of the Year who was later the mayor of Detroit and.

[B]

From here in Washington D.C. but Oscar, one of the great players of all time. People may not remember then look him up.

[C]

Google Oscar.

[B]

You don't know how great he was.

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He was Magic Johnson before Magic Johnson. Yes, one of the greatest players of all time. In keeping with our Turkeys of the Year motif, a not so happy anniversary to Leon Lett and Gus Farat. Around this day 32 years ago, let the Dallas defensive tackle inexplicably tried to dive on a block field goal attempt by the Dolphins. The Dolphins jumped on let's failed recovery and kicked a game winning field goal with three seconds left. Lett's gaffe was particularly turkey since it happened on Thanksgiving Day and around the state 28 years ago, Farat, the Washington quarterback, celebrated a touchdown by headbutting a wall by the end zone. Farat's eyes rolled in his head and he sprained his neck. Years later, Farat said, quote, I think if I didn't laugh about it, I wouldn't have been able to play another 10 years.

[B]

Didn't you think that Jimmy Johnson was.

[C]

Going to cut Leon Let for that? Yeah, I don't know. He's a really good player. He was the really good player. I remember the fraud thing because you could see his eyes roll in the sun.

[B]

You were there, weren't you?

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Yeah. And you just say to yourself, what are you doing? What are you. Exactly.

[B]

He's made fun of himself though.

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I'd like to discuss his Years later he made fun of himself. Not in the moment. Happy trails to yesterday's game for the Giants. Things looked so good for so long for the Giants. Yesterday at Ford Field in Detroit, Jameis Winston caught a pass, then ran it for a touchdown that put the Giants up 10 in the fourth quarter. But Jameer Gibbs led the Lions back rushing for a 49 yard touchdown run in regulation, adding a 69 yarder in OT to win the game for the Lions. In all, Gibbs had 264 yards from scrimmage and scored three touchdowns that led the Giants to fire defensive coordinator Shane Bowen this morning. Also, injured receiver Malik Nabors criticized the team's play calling in social media before later deleting the posts.

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See, there are more candidates. The Turkey of the Year award and by the way, Joe Turkey Jones, who I referred to, you've forgotten. I Forgot Joe Turkey Jones played 10 seasons. I forgot in the NFL. I forgot Cleveland, Washington.

[C]

Let me just say this. What Malik Neighbors did, that's. That's bad.

[B]

He ripped his team.

[C]

That's bad.

[B]

You take the post down. Sorry.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I didn't undo it.

[C]

No, that was public. And if I'm the Giants, I. I don't know. I mean, the Giants are firing people left. Anything left and right. You know, I think they should hire as coach, don't you? Who? Lane Kiffin.

[B]

Oh, that's right.

[C]

You said he coached the quarterback. They should consider that.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Let's go to the big finish.

[B]

Let's do it.

[C]

Chris Paul, your boy reportedly plans to retire after this season. What are your thoughts?

[B]

Congratulations on one of the great careers of all time. I don't want to hear about rings.

[C]

Chris Paul won't get any rings.

[B]

Point guards of all time because David Stern took him away from him. And cope.

[C]

Let me quote, ain't got no rings.

[B]

Chris Paul.

[C]

Lovely. Thank you.

[B]

Oregon and USC beat usc and Notre Dame crushed Syracuse. What was the bigger deal?

[C]

I'm inclined to say it's Oregon because their first really big win against a really good team after losing to Indiana. Do you know what. Do you know what's going on now? Notre Dame and Miami are playing phone tag. They're just trying to get. Miami's trying to get close to Notre Dame. Notre Dame's trying to keep distance. J.J. mcCarthy struggled as the Vikings got rolled by the Packers. Your analysis? Yeah.

[B]

All the pundits who swore Kevin o' Connell was going to make him Joe Montana this season. Panthers and Niners tonight. Who you got?

[C]

Carolina's a real surprise. They're much better than I thought. But I've got the Niners tonight. Last one. Stars. Forward Miko Rantanen automatically suspended one game from boarding Matt Coronado or the Flames. Is that enough?

[B]

Two times in three games. No, it's not enough. In the first case. He's gonna be out, like, months. No, no, he has to go for much longer time.

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We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody.

[B]

I'm Mike Wilbon. We are off until Monday, December 1st. So have a happy Thanksgiving, you knuckleheads. And now Monday night.

[C]

Didn't we used to work Tuesday and Wednesday? Nah, pti.