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Pablo Torre
Pardon the eruption, but I'm Pablo Torre. It is a Friday evening in the summer. Tony, what does that mean to you?
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornheiser. Firing up the grill, getting my tea time for tomorrow. Hosting PTI with a backup.
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Pablo Torre
You know what? I think that is a compliment. It all sounds great. Yeah, three great things.
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Tony Kornheiser
I think you should. I think you should take it as a compliment. It's my great pleasure to have you here. Welcome to pti boys and girls. As the day off, I'm joined by our great friend, the host of the podcast, Pablo Torre. Finds out. Mr. Pablo Torre. A little sparse on the cheers and we begin today by serving out the week with Wimbledon in the top spot. The gentleman's semifinals were played today. Top seeded Jannik Sinner beat Novak Djokovic in straight sets as Djokovic played the parent discomfort likely from a fall suffered the other day against Flavio Cavoli. And second seeded and defending champ Carlos Alcaraz lost the set as is his fashion, but beat a game competitive Taylor Fritz in four sets, winning the final set in the tiebreak. Pablo, what is your reaction to these results and who do you like in the final?
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Pablo Torre
I like Alcaraz in the final, but I want to start with that phrase, apparent discomfort. Because I just can't help but think of Novak Djokovic as having the discomfort befitting satisfaction. Someone who must feel like a parent when he's out there with these young guys. Tony, this was supposed to be the last dance and it's not going to be. It seems that's the reporting we're getting out of Wimbledon now. And the last time I saw you we were talking about Djokovic then the whole idea of him being here, him being the third leg of a tripod with two way younger dudes, Sinner and Alcaraz, right. It's unbelievable. And so I want to get to Alcaraz and what he does. He's so creative. So consistent, all of that. But to me, the headline is actually, Novak Djokovic is not done yet. And I think we are watching him demand us to stand up and applaud, as you did the last time that we talked.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah. I mean, the big story today is Djokovic and what happened to him a couple of days ago at the tail end of the match with Kaboli. And when he was able, when he had that split and he looked like he was in pain coming up out of the ground and then he served out the match and, you know, there was a sense, well, he's superhuman, so he's, of course, going to be okay with this. But it was obvious he was in a certain amount of pain. He actually, in the first couple of sets, to me, looked listless here and there. He dropped the first two sets very tamely. And then after the second set, he had treatment from a trainer in a medical timeout on the court. And he comes back and he wins the first three games of the third set, including a break. And I think to myself, okay, he's good right now. And he runs out of gas. He lost five games in a row to a superior player. He runs out of gas and he loses a set, six to four. And I'll go back to what was said at the beginning of the tournament where Djokovic said, this may be my last, best chance to get to 25 majors. Well, now, at 38 and injury prone to a degree over the last couple of years, it does not look like he's going to make it. Because Sinner and Alcaraz are that good. I mean, Taylor Fritz played great today. Alcaraz was better. Every important point, you said to yourself, I think Alcaraz is going to win this point. You know, I mean, you watch it for yourself. He's in a position now to win Wimbledon three times in a row, a three peat. If he does that, here is who he joins. Pablo, he joins Bjorn Borg, Pete Sampras, Roger Federer and Novak Djokovic. That's the elite level of tennis. That's the celebrity lounge. And we are in the process of seeing two guys who may be a great. They're better than Djokovic. They may be better than everybody. They may be a great rivalry for.
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Pablo Torre
Years on the Alcaraz thing. Right. I'd like to imagine that lounge you just described, because historically speaking, I don't know of a better athlete than Alcaraz when it comes to the guys in that lounge. I'm curious, does this mean that you are moving him into all time status already. Is this comfortable for you? If he wins, this young guy?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes. If he wins three straight Wimbledon, yes, absolutely. Borg probably got into a similar age. Yes, absolutely. If he wins three straight, yeah.
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Pablo Torre
All right, let's move to another young guy looking for all time status. Cooper Flagg had a summer league debut. I know how much you love summer league, Tony. The top pick in the draft struggled from the floor, going 0 for 5 from 3, 5 for 21 overall. Flag finished with 10 points, 6 rebounds, 4 assists, 3 steals. What he said might have been one of the worst games of his entire life. So what stood out to you about Flag's debut there?
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so let me divest myself very early on of my prejudices. Okay. I am philosophically opposed to make something out of nothing. Summer league, NBA games are nothing. NFL exhibition, preseason games are nothing. They're just nothing. There was nothing short of Cooper Flagg scoring 60 points that would in any way influence anything he does in his NBA career from this point. And by the way, on the court with him are mostly guys who are not going to ever play in the NBA. This is not a real game. This is a workout. So we're not going to take anything from it. But I did thank you for letting me get that off my chest. I did watch 15 or 20 minutes and two things did stand out to me. One thing was I'm not sure Cooper Flagg handles the ball as well as he might think he handles the ball. Even guys like this are quicker and more physical on defense. And he's going to have to learn to protect the ball as he dribbles up the court. That's one thing. The second thing is how lithe l I t h e how live Cooper Flagg is. I mean, he soars up there. Like when he completely stretches out, he looks like a pterodactyl. He's going to be very hard to guard.
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Pablo Torre
Well, your last comment about the I believe, Mesozoic era brings me back to the first thing you said about yourself, which is that you don't like making something out of nothing. I pay this as a compliment. I believe you do that better than anybody in this business and you've been doing it for your whole career. So with that compliment being paid, making something out of nothing, I want to get to summer league. Right. Which I agree, Tony. I've been. I'm old enough to remember at this point, Markell Fultz impressing me. I'm old enough to remember Ben Simmons impressing me. Right. Fellow number one Overall picks where I'm like, hey, we got something. And it turns out to be of course the smallest, most vanishing, literally vanishing of samples. But the thing you said about Cooper Flagg not being as good at dribbling as he thinks he is, the question to me is not, does Cooper Flagg think that? It's does Jason Kidd know that Jason Kidd's whole plan is we got the future. The future looks like seven feet tall dribbling. He wants seven foot Pistol Pete Maravich. He can get him. Cooper Flagg is going to be thrown into a situation where he'll have every opportunity. Is that best for him? That's fascinating to me.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, I agree with that. But I mean if down the road, I mean because I think he'll adapt, I think he'll understand the defenders, you know, and how quick they are and how strong they are. If down the road he's Kevin McHale or Tim Duncan, that work out pretty well, wouldn't it? Let's go to baseball and last night's Yankees Seattle game. Yankees were down five nothing. They'd been no hit through seven innings by Brian Wu. Jazz Chisholm singled to open the eighth and after a second hit in a sac fly, Wu came out with a score of 5 1. Giancarlo Stanton then hit a pinch hit home run to make it 5 3. The Yankees tied the game at 55 in the 9th. They won it 65 in the 10th on an Aaron Judge sac fly with a very close play at the plate. Pablo, what's the word you would use to describe this win?
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Pablo Torre
Love playing this game in the A block. Proustian. Tony reminds me of my childhood. This is a throwback. I am used to the Yankees feeling both rich and blessed, lucky and good. And this season here's a statistic. Yankees were 0.35all year when trailing through eight innings. Of course 03 when trailing by three runs or more at any point in a game this season. So it has been bad. Okay. This season has felt like ah beginning of it was ah, look postseason. Let's get there. Feel confident now it's everything feels like a for sale sign. I don't feel attached to anything necessarily. But this game in a microcosm of a season is like I just need a feeling like this because it's been so brutal for the last two months.
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Tony Kornheiser
I know how much you like the Yankees and I know how old you are. I'm double your age. So my word here is yankiness and it's a hyphenated word. It's Not a real word, but it should be. Because, Pablo, long before you were born, I watched the Yankees do this. My whole youth was spent watching the Yankees be great, watching Mantle and Bera and Ford be great, watching Maris and Kubeck and Richardson be great, you know, watching them dominate the American League. And then because you didn't have interleague play, dominate the National League team in the World Series. Yankees have won 27 World Series. The next team is the Cardinals with 11. That's domination. Holmes. This is what I saw as a kid and I was a Mets fan, so I hated it. They had better players and more better players than everybody else had. And not only that, but when they traded for somebody or acquired somebody, that guy got better on the spot. Reggie Jackson was great in Oakland, greater with the Yankees. Don Larson couldn't beat anybody. He was 3, 21, one year in Baltimore, comes to the Yankees, throws a perfect game in the World Series. Yankiness. That's what it is to me. Yankiness.
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Pablo Torre
This is a paleontology. You're taking me back historically, farther than I can actually remember. And I think most people can actually put a name to any of those faces. God bless, I can.
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Tony Kornheiser
Most people can. Later on, we'll talk about the Patty Duke Show. Let's take a break. Coming up, the Dodgers have lost six straight. We will ask Tim Kirchen what's wrong with them.
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Pablo Torre
We'll also ask about Alex Bregman's return to the red hot Red Sox.
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Tony Kornheiser
You put on the pinstripes and you got better. I don't know if that's still true, but historically, the Yankees can win a game like this. Other teams don't. Yes, they have and they can't.
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Pablo Torre
I'm worried about. I'm worried it's the facial hair thing. We changed the rule. Now the sort of like, cosmetic symmetry's thrown off. I'm just worried. Pardon the Interruption is brought to you by one a day.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's dig back into baseball with our great friend making his second appearance of the week, which could be a PTI record. ESPN MLB analyst Mr. Tim Kirch and tell us start with this. The Dodgers are back on the field tonight. They're against the second place Giants. The Dodgers have lost six straight games. What is happening there?
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Tim Kirch
Yeah, this is pretty bad right now. They've been outscored 43 to 10 during those six games and against the brewers, who are pretty good by the way, The Dodgers went 1 for 18 with runners in scoring position. So all sorts of things are going wrong. But the biggest thing is, and no sympathy required, but they have they've had 15 pitchers on on the disabled list, including three fifths of their starting rotation. And now Max Muncie, who's been one of their hottest hitters, he's on the injured list also. And yet the Dodgers are still five games ahead in a pretty good division. So once they get healthy, I have every faith in them that they will be the best team in baseball going into October. But right now they got to get healthy first and they got to start to get some hits with runners in scoring position.
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Pablo Torre
So Tim, the Dodgers losing six in a row, the Red Sox winning seven in a row. Alex Bregman coming back, he had that left quad, excuse me, the right quad injury. He could walk on that quad after the season. Do you think the Red Sox might let that happen, letting Bregman go?
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Tim Kirch
Well, he can opt out of the contract. Scott Boris is his agent, so that is always a possibility. But I don't see them trading him for fear of that opt out because as you said, they've won seven games in a row. They're back in the wild card race. They're back in the Division race, suddenly they look like a dangerous team. So I think the most likely thing is if he opts out, the Red Sox will try to re sign him after the season. He really likes it there. They really like him there. It's a perfect fit in a lot of ways. But that contract is such that he can get out after a year and he very well might. But I think the Red Sox really want to keep him long term.
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Pablo Torre
I want to talk about youth for a second here, Tim. The arms in particular. Jacob Misarovsky was great against the Dodgers this week. Paul Skenes due back on the mound tonight. How enthusiastic do you allow yourself to get about these young arms? Knowing, of course, the arm issues that so many of these guys end up having?
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Tim Kirch
Yeah, it's discouraging. It's almost inevitable that every really good young pitcher that we see eventually is going to have a major arm injury. As we've said, there are three leagues in the major leagues, the al, the NL and the il and that's not going to change anytime soon. So I'm just going to enjoy it while these guys are healthy. Paul skeens has made 42 starts and has a 1.95 ERA that is historically low. Jacob Misarowski has been ridiculously good. His first 11 innings in the big leagues, he didn't allow a hit. So let's just watch these guys enjoy them with the understanding that someday, like all pitchers with the max effort they have on every pitch they throw, eventually they're going to get hurt.
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Tony Kornheiser
I will just refer back to something you said a couple of minutes ago, that The Dodgers have 15 pitchers. You said 15 pitchers hurt. I mean, that's, that's remarkable. We will get you out of here on this. The major league draft is this Sunday. Now, baseball draftees, they have a longer gestation period than NBA draftees or NFL draftees. But are there any names we should know? And I'm particularly interested in this because my staggering, stumbling Washington Nationals, I believe, have the first overall pick.
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Tim Kirch
Right. The guy I think you should keep an eye on is Ethan Holiday, who of course is the brother of Jackson Holiday, the leadoff hitter for the Orioles and the son of Matt Holliday, who was a really good player for a long time in the big leagues. Ethan is a high school shortstop. He has the highest ceiling from almost everyone I talk to in this draft. There's a chance someday he's going to be a 35 to 40 home run guy. And even though people think someday he might have to move to a corner position, third base or first base? He's a shortstop right now and you know, range is minimized in the big leagues now. Positioning is done by the data more than anything else. I think he's going to stay a shortstop for a while and the Nationals have been known over the years at least when Mike Rizzo was there to go with the highest ceiling with the number one pick.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'll be curious. It's Sunday, let's take one last break. Oh, I'm sorry. Thank you. Tim is here so often I didn't feel I even had to thank him. Thank you, Tim.
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Pablo Torre
How rude. How rude.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, yeah. Let's take one last break. Still to come, A's reliever Mason Miller sets a new mark for fastest pitch of the season.
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Pablo Torre
And should people have a problem with 59 year old billionaire Bill Ackman getting into a pro doubles draw, what exactly.
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Tony Kornheiser
Would the problem be? He can buy the tournament. What is Come on now. Well, the sanctity of a pro doubles.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 27th birthday tomorrow. Shai Gilgeous Alexander the Canada native was drafted 11th overall by the Charlotte Hornets in 2018 out of Kentucky. The Hornets traded him to the Clippers on draft night. Gilgeous Alexander played one season with the Clippers, averaging nearly 11 points a game. The Clippers then traded him to Oklahoma City as part of a move to acquire points. Paul George, how do you like that deal? Now Gilgeous Alexander is the MVP of the league and he's holding the championship trophy. By the way, that trade didn't just send Gilgeous Alexander to the Thunder. It also sent a draft pick that turned out to be Jalen Williams. And Paul George isn't even on the Clippers anymore. He's in Philadelphia.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, this is the trade that defined this NBA season. The question of is this going to define every NBA season for the next like 10 years? Steve Ballmer wanted Kawhi Leonard so badly that he would give up anything to get the guy that Kawhi Leonard wanted to get, you know, in the deal for him. Sam Presti, the Thunder gm just made out with one of the greatest hauls in the history of sports.
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Tony Kornheiser
100%. Happy anniversary Babe Ruth on this day 111 years ago, George Herman Ruth made his major league debut as a 19 year old pitcher for the Boston Red Sox. Ruth pitched seven innings to earn the win as Boston beat Cleveland 4. Three days earlier, the Red Sox had acquired Ruth from the minor league Baltimore Orioles. The Orioles offered to send Ruth to the Philadelphia A's and the Cincinnati Reds, but both teams declined. Ruth spent the first five years of his career primarily as a pitcher. Years later, after being traded to the Yankees, Ruth became a full time hitter and the greatest hitter baseball had ever seen. I'm surprised Paul George wasn't involved in this deal.
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Pablo Torre
Also, you know Babe Ruth we've talked about recently because of Ohtani. Is Ohtani better in terms of the two way thing? Here's what Ruth is unquestionably historical at. Still, he is the first Tony, I believe, celebrity athlete in American history. Do I have that right? Just the level of fame, the way that he sort of set the template for every future athlete is still remarkable to contemplate in retrospect.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, happy trails to last night's game for the Braves. Atlanta fell to the athletics in 11 as Tyler Soderstrom knocked in the winning run with a walk off single. Earlier in the game in the ninth, A's reliever Mason Miller to the fastest Recorded pitch of the season, striking out Sean Murphy on a fastball clock at 104.1 miles per hour. He also threw two pitches that topped 103. The fastest pitch ever recorded in baseball history is 105.8 thrown by Arales Chapman of the Reds against the Padres back in 2010.
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Pablo Torre
So I asked Tom House, who is the foremost expert on throwing things in the world at this point, max velocity for a pitcher. He says on my show, 118 miles an hour. He sees that being the ceiling and he thinks that we're not that far off from 118 miles an hour. That would be an incredible, incredible thing.
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Tony Kornheiser
To see from 60ft 6 inches coming in at 118. Really, that's like a jet plane. Get out of here. That's too much. Let's go to the big finish. Yankees starter Max Freed will not pitch in the All Star game and will be replaced by teammate Carlos Rodin. Is that okay with you?
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Pablo Torre
You know, again, Rodin doesn't make me feel confident when he pitches, but he has a pretty good season, which is also the story of this Yankee season. The Mariners face Tarek Swift and the Tigers tonight. What do you expect?
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Tony Kornheiser
I expect Skubal to pitch great. I mean every time I've seen this guy he's pitched great. So I expect it again. Andy Roddick has a problem with 59 year old billionaire Bill Ackman getting a wild card into a pro doubles tournament.
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Pablo Torre
To you I agree with Roddick. It's the most ridiculous thing in maybe professional tennis history. I'm also glad for the content, the video. It's the opposite of Rudy. Whatever you think the opposite of Rudy is, it's Bill Ackman. Inter Miami meanwhile host Nashville SC tomorrow night. He's smelling another two goal game for Leo Messi.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so he's had four in a row. Why would anyone think it's going to stop now? I don't. Last one. The final participant in the Home Run Derby in the field will be Jazz Chisholm and the Yankees to see a good selection.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, sure. I mean, look, you know I'm a partisan on this subject, but I am going to be most interested in Big Dumper. I want Big Dumper on my television.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tony Wil Bond doesn't like the Home Run Derby. I like it a lot. We're out of time. We're trying to get better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Pablo Torre
And I'm Pablo Torre. Thank you for watching. Pablo Torre finds out is my show. It's a podcast. It's on the Internet. Tony knows about it, but now you.
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Tony Kornheiser
Have a podcast too.
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