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Mike Wilbon
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornharger. The usual. Golfing, napping, wingsuit, base jumping. You ever do that?
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah. Well, you can tell me in the break what the hell that is.
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Tony Kornheiser
So you put on this suit so you literally look like Rocky the Flying Squirrel. And then you jump and then you fly around. I would never do this. Never? No, I mean, unthinkable. But you do look like Rocky the Flying Squirrel. For those people who are Bullwinkle fans, welcome to PTI boys and girls. In today's episode, Aaron Rodgers responds to Terry Bradshaw. Aaron Judge hits the il and Nikola Jokic cries. But we begin today, excuse me, with Jerry Jones reacting to fans screaming at Cowboys training camp pay Micah. An obvious reference to Micah Parsons contract dispute. Jerry said afterwards, quote, that was a faint little sound compared to the way they were hollering last year pay lamb. Whoever's not in, you can count on a few hollering that. But it was a big loud chant last year on lamb, unquote. Wolf on. What do you think of Jerry's response to the pay Micah Chants.
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Mike Wilbon
Tony. From one cranky old man to another about yet another. There is nothing Jerry Jones says that I pay any attention to. Nothing. Because the point of trying to decipher what he says and assign meaning to it and analyze to it is a damn waste of time. And I don't have that much. Jerry Jones likes to hear himself talk. He likes to talk. He likes to stand in a room with reporters and talk. I'm sure if there's nobody in the room, he'd stand there and talk. It's fine. He's earned it. He's a cranky old man. He could do whatever he wants but. But I'm not paying any attention so I assign no meaning to it. It's what he likes to do. He likes to be on stage. He's not a stage parent, he's just a stage. He's a showman and he wants all your attention. All the time, and I'm not going to give it to him. You are more inclined to do that and read the tea leaves and go into nine levels of meanings of what he says. I. I don't give a damn what Jerry Jones says.
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Tony Kornheiser
So, without disagreeing with you on any particulars, I disagree with you on the conclusion, even though I think what you're saying is basically right. To me, this is fabulous. And I would say I don't know that there's any owner in any sport who has more fun than Jerry Jones. These people who are yelling, pay Micah. They're Cowboy fans. They're not antagonists. They're. They're not haters. They're Cowboy fans. And yet Jerry, with his tongue planted firmly in his cheek, trolls them. And by extension, by mentioning CD Lamb from last year, trolls his player, Micah Parsons as well. I look at Jerry probably the same way as you do in this regard. He ought to be a judge on American Idol. He's just out there talking. He has a lot of fun. And I think we both agree he's going to pay him anyway. I mean, to me, he's more fun than Woody Johnson of the Jets. Here's what we've learned, and here's what I know. He paid Dak Prescott, he paid CD Lamb, he's going to pay Micah Parsons. But because he's writing the checks, he wants to get every ounce of fun out of this thing. And the reason I know he's going to pay him is that Michael Parsons has not yet said the following words. Get me out of here. I hate it here. He's not Jimmy Butler. He's going against State.
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Mike Wilbon
All that's true. But he hurts his team in the process. Damian Woody pointed out he's got a couple of super bowl rings. Damian Woody, since the time with the Cowboys, have done anything. Damian Woody pointed out that when you do this, and it's fine, you can do whatever you want, but the cost is steeper. And so you pay two dudes five and $7 million more, and there's $12 million because you waited and you waited and you waited, and then you miss out on two players who might help your roster. So Jerry Jones does this. The Cowboys, they're not in the big action late. They're not relevant in January. So he could be hurting his team while he's doing it again. I don't care about that because I don't care about the Cowboys, even though I know that most of the programming on this network is devoted to Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Now oh, my God, help me. To Aaron Rodgers response to Terry Bradshaw. You may remember that the Steelers great that would be Terry told 103.7 the Buzz that Rodgers should stay in California chew on bark and whisper to the gods what a great rant that was. Rodgers, who of course signed with the Steelers in early June, said this weekend, quote, terry's a legend. He won four Super Bowls. He's had a legendary career in the media. But Terry, like a lot of people, doesn't know me. I'd love to get to know Terry on a deeper level. Maybe we could chew some bark together. Close quote. Tone your thoughts on Rogers response.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's brilliant. It's the Aaron Rodgers that I thought I knew. A few years back. He reaches out to Bradshaw in the most complimentary way. He acknowledges what a great career Bradshaw has. He acknowledges how meaningful Bradshaw is in the Pittsburgh vicinity. And then he says, quite reasonably, look, some of the stuff that I've said, some of the stuff that I've done may have been misinterpreted. You may not have had the real meaning or intent from it. I don't know you, you don't know me. I'd love to get to know you. And then he ends with a joke about eating the bark. Mike, you could pay a management consulting firm $100,000 for this and it wouldn't be any better. It's a brilliant script that, that Aaron Rodgers has written and I give him all the credit in the world because he has put Terry Bradshaw in a position now where Terry Bradshaw has no alternative but to smile and to say, let's chat and let's eat. It's brilliant.
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Mike Wilbon
And Terry will know that. And if you paid the management consultant firm a million dollars, they screw it up. Chances are they wouldn't be smart enough to come up with what Aaron Rodgers did. Tony, like you. When I heard this, I just thought, this is the Aaron Rodgers we used to see all the time, who wasn't so self indulgent in whatever weekly appearance that he comes off like somebody you don't want to get to know. When Aaron Rodgers for years was someone you couldn't wait to get to know and have a conversation with. I'm lucky I got to have conversations. Let me just say this. You and I have been around Terry Bradshaw in our lives. We've listened to him, we've sat with him, he's entertained us. Who's better to sit around with the Terry Bradshaw? The answer is nobody. Nobody.
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Tony Kornheiser
I think Aaron Rodgers knows that. I want to. I want to Take the position now and take the position now of a Pittsburgh Steelers fan. Because up until this happened, if you were a Pittsburgh Steelers fan, you could hate Aaron Rodgers. Say, what do we need this guy for? He ruined the jets, we don't want him here. But then this happens and it's a Turnaround, it's a 180. And now if you're a Pittsburgh Steeler fan, you can say, you know what? I suddenly like him. I'm suddenly rooting for him because he acknowledged Terry Bradshaw. Just so smart. Let's move to baseball. The big news over the weekend was Aaron Judge going on the IL for 10 days because of an elbow issue. A right flexor strain from pain after a throw from right field. When Judge returns to the Yankees, he will likely be a designated hitter, moving Jencarlos Stanton to the outfield. Wil Bond, what does Judge's injury do to the Yankees and to Judge his season?
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Mike Wilbon
Well, it diminishes his season and it diminishes the Yankees, particularly if he has to either be out a longer time than 10 days or when he comes back, if he's not the Aaron Judge we've seen who's right there at the top of the list with big dumper for MVP honors in the American League. So Tony, one of the things about Aaron Judge I think I'm belatedly starting to realize is that Aaron Judge isn't just the best Yankee today and he's. That he's the best player on the team. He's one of the best Yankees of all time, which is a mouthful. Not the best Yankee on the Tampa Rays. Yeah, I mean not the best player ever. He's one of the best players on the New York Yankees. He's going to be in Monument park, right. If he's a two time MVP. If he gets a third, he's with like Mantle and DiMaggio and Bera. My God. So it diminishes the Yankees if, you know, if he's not there, I grant.
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Tony Kornheiser
You all of that. I don't think it cripples the Yankees but because they're going to be able to put him in the batting order. Shohei Ohtani, DHS for the Dodgers. It doesn't cripple that team at all. The problem is he's a very good fielder, Judge and Giancarlo has. Giancarlo, Stan hadn't been out there for two or three years and he has tennis elbow. So who's he throwing to? My question is the same as your question. How serious is this injury Is it something that will keep him away from the Yankees completely? Is it something that requires surgery? We've seen this before. When Aaron Judge goes in a slump, the entire Yankee production goes down. It seems to affect everyone on the team. He's the last 11 games and this may coincide with pain in his elbow. The last 11 games. Let me get the numbers right. Batten.184 with an OPS of.750. But on the season, Mike Batten.342 with an OPS of 1160. That's Babe Ruth land, kids. Babe Ruth land. So if you diminish his ability to play, that hurts. The Yankees. And Yankees are a solid playoff team. They're not awesome. They need this guy. He's a great player.
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Mike Wilbon
He's the best player right now. Yeah, he's their big break.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Coming up, what's the word for the four home run performance that Nick Kurtz delivered on Friday night?
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Mike Wilbon
And later, did the MLS make the right call by suspending the great Lionel Messi for skipping their All Star game?
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Tony Kornheiser
So I thought that Rogers response was brilliant and I thought Jerry's was self indulgent but fun. Jerry is fun to me. Pardon the Interruption is brought to you by Purina, your pet.
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Mike Wilbon
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Tony Kornheiser
Trying to find out what's lighting up the littles. Let me get the first one. Let me explain. We have a summer mailbox. The regular mailbox is having some plastic surgery. The regular one is having plastic surgery. That's why we have it. What's your word for rookie Nick Kurtz's performance at the plate on Friday night?
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Mike Wilbon
Here's my word. Holy bleep. That's the word. Because Tony, four home runs and a double and a single. I mean, he scores six runs in a game. This is insane. He has 19 total bases. There's just. If you examine just each individual act, it's crazy when you add it all up. That's why I go, holy bleep. I'm watching baseball that night. I'm watching another game. And they break in on MLB to show you what this kid is doing. It's only a 66 game and he's sort of gangly looking. He's like 6, 5, 6, 6. And he's just powering the ball out. Tony, another. The double almost went out. He would have had five home runs. Holy bleep. I mean, you know, this is not in the get up era. This is all time stuff. 140 years of major league baseball where this is a first. Unbelievable.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, so I'm going to use an H word as well, but it will be one word and it will be historic. As you say, four home runs. He's only the 20th player of all time to hit four home runs in one game. He's the only rookie who's ever done it. So there's four home runs. He's six for six, as you said. He has 19 total bases. Nobody's ever had more than 19. He scores six runs and he drives in eight. Who's putting up those kinds of numbers right now? Not Shohei. Not judge. Not the big dumper. Not right now. Not this year. You know, I mean, this is remarkable. I, you know, my first question, Mike, was, did he do this in that minor league park where the A's play? And you know. Cause I would have discounted that a little bit, maybe. But no. I find out he does it in Houston. I've never heard of this kid like there's no way to be more anonymous than playing for the A's in Sacramento. Good for him. Good for him. What's next?
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Mike Wilbon
There's no better night, though. He's not topping this. Not ever. He can play 25 years. He can go top Brady. Length of time. Stop talking. And he's not going to top this. Stop.
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Tony Kornheiser
There's another question. I want to hold up the mailbox again because it is an awful looking mailbox.
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Mike Wilbon
Mailbox.
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Tony Kornheiser
Here we go. Are the Pirates right to ramp up Paul Skeens, his pitch count?
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Mike Wilbon
No. No. You know, I'm a guy who wants to see starting pitchers out there, and Paul Skeens is must see tv. But the Pirates are out of it. They're the only team in the division. Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals, Reds. The Pirates are the only team in the division out of it. So why ramp him up? To what end? You're not in contention. You're not in wild card contention. Just. He'll. He'll wind up getting about 190 innings just with his normal starts and normal innings left. I don't get it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Okay, so until this particular game, he hadn't thrown more than 88 pitches in. In any one outing since June 19th. In this game, he threw 99 pitches. So let's not get crazy here. He didn't throw 135. He's a professional starting pitcher and he threw 99 pitches. That's okay with me. Let me go through some numbers here. He now has 45 starts in a little under two full seasons. 266 innings total, which is about. Mike. Just under six innings per start. His career ERA is 189. This year, it's 183. And it's 9.9 strikeouts per nine innings. He had nine strikeouts in this game, all of them swinging. These are Walter Johnson numbers. Kids, I know you love this guy, the Miz. You let me know when he's got numbers like this. At this point in his career, Paul Skeens is fabulous. And then 99 pitches is no big deal. It's. It's not a big deal.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, but, but, but Tony, the point is, why ramp him up now and get in contention? Go get some hitters. Go get a lineup. So just.
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Tony Kornheiser
You don't mind, but you don't mind that he throws 99 pitches? He's not. He's not Fergie Jenkins throwing 135.
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Mike Wilbon
Tony. I'm not comparing to that. I know that now. Maybe he wants it and maybe they gotta give it to him or they think he leaves. I'm not comparing him to any. You're the one who went through the numbers cuz you've become numbers obsessed. I don't know why. Yeah, the numbers don't compare to anything that matter.
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Tony Kornheiser
Go look up the big train. Look at his numbers. There's kids numbers not female. Yeah, let's take one last break. Still to come, Nikola Jokic cries with joy over a harness race result. What did he have? The big triple did he have?
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Mike Wilbon
And look at the COVID of a men's Health magazine. It 45 starts. That's a season and a week for Jenkins and Gibson and Drysdale. That's all it is.
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Tony Kornheiser
Pardon the interruption is brought to you by Charles Schwab Own youn tomorrow. Happy time people. Happy 41st birthday, D' Amico Ryans, the head coach of the Houston Texans went up the coaching ladder with the 49ers before the Texans. Ryan's a two time Pro bowl linebacker with the Texans and the Eagles, was inside linebackers coach in San Francisco, then was elevated to defensive coordinator when Robert Sala made the ill fated decision to become head coach of the Jets. Ryan's was a second round pick out of Alabama in 2006 and was defensive Rookie of the Year. The Texans are one of those teams many people see playoff potential in, especially since the AFC south is such a winnable division and the Texans are set at quarterback when CJ Swiss Stroud yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
And this season is going to revolve in large part Tony around Stroud. I don't know whether it's fair to ask or expect it for him to go back to the performance of rookie year after little backslide as a sophomore, but they're going to need that.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Texans are not so Happy Anniversary Detroit Lions on this day 26 years ago, the franchise was stunned when Barry Sanders, the best running back in team history, announced his retirement at the age of 30. Sanders later said in his 2003 autobiography, quote, I didn't see what good there was hanging around when the organization wasn't trying to put together a winning team. I didn't think they were as serious about winning as our competitors, unquote. Sanders said there were tears in his eyes in the last game in the 1998 season 19 to 10 loss to the Ravens because, quote I knew it was over. Among other things, Sanders was voted on the NFL Network, were most elusive back in NFL history, and the number one player to never play in the Super Bowl.
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Mike Wilbon
Starting pitching. Great running backs. They're the essence of their sports and when you don't have them, I'm less interested. I don't know what the top five are, but I wrote down these names. Jim Brown, Emmett Smith, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, Barry Sanders, Marshall Falk.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's six guys.
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Mike Wilbon
Don't ask me to kick off one. I can't do it. But that's my group of the top running backs and I'm leaving out guys like bo Jackson and O.J. simpson. Earl Campbell. Great running backs. Can we have more?
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy trails. Emmanuel Classe Baseball placed the guardians closer on non disciplinary paid leave as part of a sports betting investigation. Classe led the American League in saves for the last three seasons. He has 24 this season. For a team that's one game below 4, 500 Class A joins teammate Luis Ortiz on the same leave list. And a bonus. Happy trails to Nicola Jokic's stoic demeanor. The Nuggets center broke into tears after his horse won a big harness race in Serbia. Jokic climbed over the rail, hugged the horse and celebrated with champagne. Compare this to when he won the title with the Nuggets and said, quote, the job is done. We can go home now. Unquote. Harness racing has always been Jokic his first love. His father runs a local harness racing club and once persuaded his son to become a basketball player first and a great horseman later. Jokic recently said, quote, basketball is something that I'm just good at, but horses are something in which I feel the most happiness and sadness, unquote.
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Mike Wilbon
Care more about Class A here? I guess he's not getting traded to the shores of another lake. I was sort of hoping for that, but wow, he's got bigger fish to fry right now.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm sorry for cutting you off. I apologize for that. Big finish. Justin Fields back on the practice field for the jets today. Your reaction?
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Mike Wilbon
Good. There's only one reaction Good. The MLS suspended the great Messi and Jordi Alba one match for missing the All Star Game.
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Tony Kornheiser
Is that fair? Messi ought to buy the league and fire the commissioner. Luka Doncic made the COVID of Men's Health. How's he look to you?
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Mike Wilbon
He looks great to everybody. Is he going to commit to defense, too? Not just being slimmer, but defense. He going to do that? Washington receiver Terry McLaurin ended his holdout, reported to training camp. Mr. D.C. is that significant?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, he's their best receiver. Maybe this will get done. Last one. Deion Sanders says he's cancer free after doctors removed a tumor from his bladder. Your thoughts?
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Mike Wilbon
Great to see him sitting there with that smile, talking about how he's come out on the other side of this and telling people to get tested. Hope you hope you're well.
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Tony Kornheiser
D We're out of time. We're out of time. We'll try and do better the next time. Jim Vito, Brooks Brothers Seersucker Pal.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow.
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