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Jeff Saturday
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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's National Chocolate Cake Day. Frank, what's your fave dessert?
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Frank Isola
Come on, Phil. And Frank favors flan. You should make.
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Mike Wilbon
I see what you did here. Now what's your favorite dessert? It ain't flan.
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Frank Isola
Mint chocolate chip.
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Mike Wilbon
Mint chocolate chip.
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Frank Isola
That's a good one.
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Mike Wilbon
Your mind is so basic.
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Frank Isola
And vanilla cake. I like that.
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Mike Wilbon
Vanilla ice cre chocolate sauce. An old fashioned chocolate sauce.
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Frank Isola
That's a Chicago specialty.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, baby.
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Frank Isola
After you eat a deep dish pizza.
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Mike Wilbon
No deep dish. You New Yorkers stop talking about deep dish. We don't do that.
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Frank Isola
Fake pizza lasagna.
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Mike Wilbon
That is.
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Frank Isola
It is.
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Mike Wilbon
That's why we don't eat it. Welcome to pti. Tony's busy doing cameos for TGL television.
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Jeff Saturday
Saw that.
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Mike Wilbon
So here to do his work for him is our great friend from the starting lineup on Sirius XM, Mr. Frank. I sold.
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Frank Isola
They didn't hit their mark. Go.
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Mike Wilbon
Just don't ever mention deep dish on this show again. Let's start today with the man the Buffalo Bills have selected to succeed Sean McDermott as head coach, offensive coordinator Joe Brady. The 36 year old Brady has been an offensive assistant with the team since 2022 and has led the offense as the OC the last two plus seasons. Brady is said to have a close relationship with Josh Allen. Frank, how's this hire sit with you?
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Frank Isola
Well, number one, it's a great job because you get Josh Allen. You ask any guy that's going to become a first time head coach, do you want a great quarterback? So absolutely yes. Whether or not it turns out to be a great hire is going to depend on one thing. Can he get further than Sean McDermott did? Can you get to a Super Bowl? Can you win one? So clearly they think Brady had been interviewed with a lot of teams. Arizona, the Raiders, the Ravens. So clearly they thought they were going to lose him. They wanted to keep him in the building. But I do love the story of all the people involved with the interview. The owner, the gm, a couple of family members. Oh, and also Josh Allen. Know what that means? Josh Allen went like this with the hire. He gave it the blessing. They were going to hire who the quarterback wanted. Mike, you know this. You can any sport, if you have a star that big, they're going to have a lot of say. And obviously this is what Josh Allen wants.
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Mike Wilbon
No doubt about it. But one of the things strikes me, Frank, and that is that all this lack of getting to the super bowl and winning it.
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Frank Isola
Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
Is being blamed on Sha mcdermit.
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Frank Isola
Totally agree.
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Mike Wilbon
Because the owner steps out there, has that awkward press conference last week.
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Frank Isola
Y.
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Mike Wilbon
Right. And it. It just seems that they're saying, okay, you know, we can keep all these other pieces in place. Which is all of them.
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Frank Isola
Yep.
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Mike Wilbon
We're not going to blame any of this on Josh Allen. Or would I? We're not going to blame this on the offensive play caller, even though he's been an assistant, a top assistant for two years and a cog in this thing for three. We're not blaming either one of them. We're not blaming the GM for not putting more talent around Josh Allen. We're going to blame Sean McDermott and fire him. And I'm like, wow. So you know what? Joe Brady better be damn good.
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Frank Isola
Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
Because now there's no buffer between the two of them. It's him and it's Josh Allen. Even though I still don't think that team is good enough or has the personnel. They have an entire off season to do something about it, but I don't think it does.
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Frank Isola
So under Brady, they finished second in points and fourth. They had an mvp. And they also had the guy that led the league in rushing. So offensively they've been good enough. You mentioned that about McDermott. So Pegula says he walks into locker room after the game. Everyone's despondent. Yeah. Because you just lost again. An awful loss.
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Jeff Saturday
And.
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Frank Isola
And Josh Allen responded. Yeah. Because he had four turnovers in the game. The biggest mistake Sean McDermott made to this day is still the squib kick to the Chiefs.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah. Yeah, right.
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Frank Isola
That was the game that they should have won and they should have been playing. They should have been playing Championship game.
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Mike Wilbon
That. But.
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Frank Isola
But to sit there. Clearly everyone is staying, Mike, except for Sean McDermott. That could be fall under the old cliche. And coaches hate this. Wow, we need a new voice in the locker room. All that nonsense.
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Mike Wilbon
But it doesn't seem like that they took that thing hard. And they should. As they should. But there was no indication outwardly that the players who were taking it hard were blaming it on Shawn McDermott. But the owner did and the GM did. Yeah. And now. Okay, so this is what you got. You better make good.
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Frank Isola
Yeah. So Brady had a backer in Josh Allen. He also had a good agent because he interviewed, like I said, Cardinals, Falcons, Raiders, Ravens, Dolphins, a lot of places. They thought they were going to lose him, so they hired him. All right, let's move to the NBA and Kevin Garnett's tough words for LeBron James. Garnett said on his podcast. Everyone has a podcast, Mike, that LeBron fouled up the tradition of the NBA all star game in 2012 when he passed the ball twice in the final seconds rather than go one on one with the great Kobe Bryant. All right, Mike. People love to blame LeBron for so many things. Do you blame him for the decline of the All Star Game?
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Mike Wilbon
Not at all. Not at all in the least, no. The All Star Game was going down. It was headed down. I don't. This is one of those cases, Frank, where I'm. I never spent any time trying to figure out who to put the finger on for specific blame. The whole culture is to blame, the league is to blame, and the top players, all them share in some blame. Now, for those of us who were around that game and the aftermath, yes. Kobe Bryant issued an on court verbal challenge we all could hear to LeBron James. And I don't know why LeBron didn't take him up on it. The part of the culture in the history of the All Star Game was to take people up on it.
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Frank Isola
Yep.
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Mike Wilbon
Whether this was. I mean, remember we had beef going back to Jordan in a freeze out. We have stuff with Kobe and, and Michael in 98 and, and so it all seemed, if not in good fun, it all seemed to be acknowledged in real time. This, though, stuck. And LeBron gets the blame for this. I. I'm not going with that.
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Frank Isola
I think in that moment, I do understand LeBron not just going on with the spirit of the game. Kobe wants to go with him one on one. So the first pass, like a hockey.
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Mike Wilbon
Fight, let's drop the gloves. And LeBron declined.
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Frank Isola
So he throws it to Darren Williams because they were down 2. Darren Williams shoots a 3. Darren Williams was 8 for 10 at that time. So you could say it was a basketball play if you watch the replay of it. I had a close look at it today. Kevin Durant on the other one comes over in double teams and LeBron. That's his instincts.
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Mike Wilbon
That's right.
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Frank Isola
So I'm not going to. The players might think that moment. I think the fans think you don't show up for the ever in the slam dunk. Kobe and Michael did it. So now Zion Williamson doesn't show up for the slam dunk. That hurts the weekend, Mike. And I think the other thing was.
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Mike Wilbon
The weekend is they don't give a damn about and that they don't want to play the game.
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Frank Isola
Maybe that was a player empowerment thing. But there's a couple of years ago, Lucas not trying in the All Star Game. Nicole Jokic, and then last year they turned the All Star Game into a round robin and. And then you have. The game was spent with. It was a Kevin Hart celebrity roast. And then we were celebrating inside the NBA because, as you know, they went away even though they're back this year. Yeah. So they.
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Mike Wilbon
They every.
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Frank Isola
The. The game gets hijacked, but the players need to try more. That's the biggest issue.
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Mike Wilbon
And the league needs to try. And the league got it wrong again. The league was scared again. It's a gutless move to put this All Star Game out there. You walk right up to the line. Well, you can get something that people are engaged by and either two or three players or their agents. You know who I'm probably talking about. If you want to blame people. Two or three players or maybe one and an agent. They don't want to do it, so you don't do it. So you put something out there on Sunday that's so embarrassing. The commissioner had to admit the following Monday he was embarrassed.
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Frank Isola
A couple of years ago they had Larry Bird and Dr. J asked the players to try hard in the game. I've said this before. You look at the baseball All Star Game, Ohtani might get two at bats. Aaron Judge may get two at bats. Right. The fans understand that other guys are going to play. Go to the players the night before the game. How many minutes you want to play? Nicole Yoko say, I'll play eight minutes. Right? Play those eight minutes.
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Mike Wilbon
Call the top players in the office in the off season and say, we're not going to have an All Star Game. That's an embarrassment. So participate and help us put together something that's honorable. Jalen Brunson instead of that garbage that's out there.
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Frank Isola
Jalen Brunson, Tyrese Maxey, Tyrese Halliburton. Those guys would have played harder. They didn't play them last year. If the stars don't want to play.
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Mike Wilbon
Pull them out of the game, send them home.
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Frank Isola
Exactly. Exactly.
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Mike Wilbon
Won't happen. No league didn't have the guts. Let's go to the Australian Open, where Coco Gauff went down swinging. Goff was caught by a hallway camera smashing a racket to bits after a 6162 quarterfinal loss to Alina Svitlena. Goff said she didn't think the moment needed to be broadcast because she thought she was in a private space, no cameras, and swore off breaking rackets on court in front of the cameras a while back. Are you with her?
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Frank Isola
All right. So the only thing more broken than that racket is her serve in the first set. Five double falls. She was broken five times.
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Mike Wilbon
She had seven doubles.
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Frank Isola
The match was 59 minutes. So Sabalenka, the year before, two years earlier at the US Open. I love the way Sabalenka did it. She walked into the air where players warm up and, you know, they. They have their physios with them. She puts the. She finished second, so they give you that silver plate. She calmly put the plate down, casually walked over and then just smashed her racket. I think it's a very human thing to do. I can understand why Coco Gauff is. It's an image thing. But then talk to the Tour, tell them not to. Tell them not to put the camera there. The biggest issue with Coco Gauff right now is her serve. Serve. Her serve.
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Mike Wilbon
Just a terrible. By the way, I thought Coco Gauff's explanation was spot on. And she said, I went to this place because I didn't want the kids to see this, but I needed to get this out. Of course you need to get it out.
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Frank Isola
Yep.
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Mike Wilbon
I got it out once against St. Ben's when I lost in high school and did that to the only three rackets I had or could afford. Coco Gauff is totally fine smashing her racket. It's the serve. She's got to get together before we get to, say, the French Open. Yeah, she's got a few weeks left, but that's. That's all that matters here. And players should go to the network or televising networks and the Tour and say, we need a space where there are no cameras. Exactly. Do whatever you want to do, and.
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Frank Isola
They have the power to do it. But it was very similar to Sabalenka, where she calmly walked over. She's not ranting and raving, and then she just smashes a racket. And I thought when it happened with Sabalenka I was. Maybe Sabalenka publicly didn't make a big deal of it, but I thought some of the players were thinking, whoa, whoa. Because there are cameras now everywhere. Everywhere you go, there's a camera.
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Mike Wilbon
And I think players are thinking.
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Frank Isola
And you know how it works with the locker room, too. There is a sanctity of the locker room. I know that's not the locker room, but they view that as an area which should be off limits.
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Mike Wilbon
And it should be off limits. And, you know, you don't need every single moment to be. It's not the Truman Show. It's a damn tennis tournament. But no, everybody gives in to this. Now let's see what the players do. And their representatives should go to the tour and the participating networks and say, figure out a space now.
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Frank Isola
Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
Before the next ball is struck.
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Frank Isola
Yeah. Six Americans on the men's and the women's side made the quarterfinals. That's the most. We've had quarters a lot since the O2 US Open, and quite a few.
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Mike Wilbon
Maybe American stars gone out, too.
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Frank Isola
But not Coco's Gracket. That's.
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Mike Wilbon
We're taking a break. We're coming up. Drake May didn't tell his lineman about the keeper to clinch the super bowl berth. We're going to ask Jeff Saturday about that.
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Frank Isola
We'll also ask him about Mike McCarthy's desire. Wait for it, Mike. To have Aaron Rodgers return next. No. For the Steelers.
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Mike Wilbon
No.
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Frank Isola
One more.
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Mike Wilbon
No. Aaron Rodgers.
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Mike Wilbon
We have some NFL questions for our great friend, ESPN NFL analyst Jeff Saturday. And Jeff, I am still curious about Drake May running for that game. Ceiling first down without telling his lineman he was going to keep it. At first I'm wondering, does this happen often? And secondly, how would you have felt about not knowing when you look up and see your quarterback peeling left with the game on the line?
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Jeff Saturday
Hey, we never knew, Will, but we never knew if Manning was going to pull that thing. He never told anybody. You pull that thing, we're going to run zone. Everybody run zone as hard as you can. And let me tell you what it does. It stops what you call the peak, right? It's an innate in all of us. You're blocking your block and you kind of want to just peek over, hey, where is that? Did he make it? Did he get there? You know, is the crowd going crazy? Like all those things they need a full sellout. Like, just push as hard as you can, run the play called. But we never knew. I was never offended. I didn't want to know for that exact reason. I don't want to be the reason pulling up on my block because, you know, Peyton wasn't Drake made. I mean, runs a city, he runs a 7, 040. You know what I mean? Seven. Oh. So you got to make sure he gets all the advantages he can get. You ain't, you ain't got no speed on the edge, bro. Just make it. Just get there. We'll all be happy.
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Mike Wilbon
Inside baseball moment.
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Frank Isola
That was a great improvised play. All right, let's stick with the Patriots offensive line. How concerned should they be about their rookie left tackle, Will Campbell?
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Jeff Saturday
Yeah, he's struggling. Struggling, Frank. I mean, and here's the deal. This is not going to be solved, right? I mean, I mean, he hasn't taken this large leap come playoff time. And the truth is he's played some vicious defensive ends. Like, if we're being honest, this isn't like just run of the mill guys are coming and just beating the brakes off the guy. He's facing the best of the league. Like all three of the defenses they faced in the playoffs have all been legitimate and all had good pass rushing edges. It's part of being a rookie left tackle. And I, I, I love the fact that he's fighting out there. He's doing the stuff he's trying to do. He's trying to work his technique. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's not. I, I will say this though. From Drake Mays perspective, he has to be aware of that and understand most of the time in Campbell's problem, he's getting pushed in the pocket, so. Meaning he doesn't necessarily just whiff, but the guys putting power to him and driving him back. May's got to know that keep two hands, secure the ball so that guys can't reach over the back edge and knock the ball over his shoulder. That's the biggest thing that you get concerned with, getting driven back as a left tackle. Obviously, the Nolan Ryan is a no, no, Right. You give you a no hitter out there, he's going to kill the quarterback. But the getting pushback, you know, you can limit some of that.
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Frank Isola
I like that analogy. All right, the Patriots defense, they've been strong against the run this year. If you're tasked against, you know, running against them, what would you tell your line mates?
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Jeff Saturday
Yeah, creativity from the run game. Right. Understand that. Like inside zone, outside zone, can we get some motion? Can we get some things that take some. Make some eye candy, like, like get linebackers looking, maybe get them rocking, maybe get them stepping out of a gap so you can catch an edge. But the biggest thing about run game, it's leverage the man that you're blocking and, and leverage the play. And so from Seattle's offensive line, that's exactly what they're going to be coached on. Make sure their hats in the right place where you're leveraging the play and let Walker or whichever running back is do the rest. You, you're not just going to take and physically dominate play after play, but if you get enough. And that's the one thing about Seattle, even when they weren't efficient in the run game, they stayed true to it. Mike McDonald, he didn't, he didn't bail off of it. He's like, well, we're to keep doing it. They've gotten better as the season's progressed, so you got to like, they're going to stick with it even when it's not effic.
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Mike Wilbon
Well, let's go after we take you back to the end of your playing days. You played, of course, one season under Mike McCarthy and with Aaron Rodgers. McCarthy said today or indicated today he wants Rogers back next season if Rogers wants to be with the Steelers. Jeff, it seems awfully short term and not really resolving anything to me, but how do you feel about this?
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Jeff Saturday
Yeah, I think from McCarthy's perspective is it buys him a little time. Right? I mean, you're, you're replacing the guy, right? Mike Tomlin is the guy the only knock on. Mike Tomlin has been winning in the playoffs. So it for him to draft a quarterback and go win in the playoffs, especially in that division he's in to get in the playoffs is going to be work enough. I think he would like to be able to kind of lean on that vet, right. Be it being Aaron Rodgers. But the truth is they're going to have to figure something out for the future. You know, Aaron Rodgers in the future and the why you brought Mike McCarthy in, right, at 62 years old going to the Steelers is to develop a quarterback. So you got to trust that he can do it, get the right guy, find the right timing of doing it, whether it's mid year or even watch for a year and come in the second year. But I think that's really why he would, he would appreciate Aaron Rodgers being there for another season. They're very comfortable knowing the offense of knowing what each other's thinking. So obviously there's some familiarity there. But being able to develop a guy under that I think is really what, what would benefit him the most.
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Mike Wilbon
Only part that scares me is another season having to talk about Aaron Rodgers. Thanks Jeff. We appreciate it.
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Jeff Saturday
Appreciate it fellas.
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Frank Isola
Thanks, Jeff.
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Mike Wilbon
Let's take one last break. What's still to come. The Pro bowl weekend is diminished, but so much that Shador Sanders deserves an invite.
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Frank Isola
And how fortunate was Arizona to escape BYU last night?
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Mike Wilbon
That was a good game.
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Frank Isola
It was good block shot.
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Mike Wilbon
Time to get happy, people. Happy 74th birthday, Billy White Shoes Johnson. Johnson was best known as the premier punt and kick returner of the 1970s. Over his first four seasons in the league for the Houston oilers, Johnson returned five punts and two kicks for touchdowns and scored 12 touchdowns in his role as receiver, punctuating so many of his scores with his rendition of the Funky Chicken. A knee injury in 1979 caused Johnson to miss his sixth season. He spent a year in Canada before returning to the NFL with the Falcons and winning the 1983 Comeback Player of the Year. Johnson's the only member of the NFL's 75th anniversary team not in the hall of Fame. If Devin Hester of the Bears is in, damn it, he should be. Then so should choose Frank.
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Frank Isola
How much fun does Billy White choose Johnson? We'd go to the park, you'd score a touchdown, and everyone would do that dance that he did.
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Mike Wilbon
Yes.
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Frank Isola
You know, he played two games in 79. He was not in that AFC championship. That was the Mike Renfro play in the corner of the end zone, which should have been a catch. Houston should have tied the game. Dan Pastorini threw that ball.
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Mike Wilbon
Good memory on your part. All the way. Happy anniversary, Terry Bradshaw. On this day, 56 years ago, the Steelers selected Bradshaw with the first overall pick in the draft. Pittsburgh had landed that pick by winning a coin flip with my Bears. Bradshaw told me a couple of Super Bowls ago, he was so certain he would be drafted by the Bears. He told his dad, quote, by tonight, I'm going to be a teammate of Dick Butkus and Gale Sayers. Bradshaw was so excited. And then he went fishing. Wasn't until he returned home that he learned the Steelers had drafted him, not the Bears. So while Bradshaw led Pittsburgh to four Super Bowls, Bears fans dealt with his succession of quarterbacks through the 70s. That included Bobby Douglas, Gary Huff, Bob Avellini, Mike Phipps. That's a list.
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Frank Isola
All right, how about this? Pittsburgh, in that same draft, third round, they take Mel Blunt. The following year, they take Franco Harris. Then in 74, for the five guys they drafted. All these guys are hall of Famers. Lynn Swan, Jack Lambert, John Stallworth, most underrated wide receiver of all time.
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Mike Wilbon
Three.
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Frank Isola
And Mike Webster.
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Mike Wilbon
They mastered it. They killed it. Starting with Terry Bradshaw. Crazy. Just look great in the 12th midnight blue uniform. Happy trails to the Pro bowl games for Drake May, the Patriots quarterback will be focused on the super bowl. So he'll be replaced by, Wait for it. Shador Sanders. Sanders threw seven touchdowns and 10 picks this season for the Browns. But he gets the nod to join Justin Herbert and Josh Allen because alternates Patrick Mahomes, Daniel Jones and Bo Nicks are out for the season. And Trevor Lawrence opted to not participate. Frank, this game is so bad, they got rid of it. So why are they inviting players and substitutes to a flag football game?
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Frank Isola
It's a television show. And a lot of people like Shador Sanders. What's the big deal? All right, so he made Pro Bowl. There's a difference between All Pro and Pro Bowl.
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Mike Wilbon
Don't let's not blame Shador Sanders.
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Frank Isola
I'm not.
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Mike Wilbon
I think people want to say network officials. One omission. Bill Belichick was not elected to the Pro Football hall of Fame on the first ballot.
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Frank Isola
You're surprised he didn't win enough Super Bowls. Mike? Maybe. Come on.
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Mike Wilbon
We're running out of shoulders. To get to the big finish, the Titans will reportedly hire Brian Dabal. Is their oc. You like that?
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Frank Isola
And their head coach is a former Jet head coach, Robert Sala. I don't mind at all. Number one, Arizona survived a scare from number 13, BYU last night. I know you were watching.
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Mike Wilbon
The bounce is amazing to watch for Arizona. Really tough out the rest of this season. Duke and quarterback Darian Mensah settled their dispute. He'll be allowed to transfer out. Does that make sense?
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Frank Isola
Yes, it makes sense because college football doesn't make sense. Max McClung will not. Will not go for his fourth slam dunk title in a row. You disappointed? Yes.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm not going to see him, like, in the NBA playoffs. I want to see him. Last one women's soccer friendly tonight. USA versus Chile. Are you intrigued?
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Frank Isola
One of those South American teams are getting better. Trinity Rodman played the other night. You, the captain signed that big contract with Washington. We're out of time. Thanks for watching. I'm Frank Isola.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Globine. Same time tomorrow, knucklehead. We can call that room for smashing rackets the Mac and Roll Room. That's a great name for it, right?
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Frank Isola
Johnny Mac?
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Mike Wilbon
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