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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbond. Is National Tell the Truth Day, Tony, you got any confessions you'd like to make?
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornheiser. Lufthansa heist in 1978. That was me. That was me.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I was looking for something a little juicier than that. You know, a little more insider, a little more revealing.
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Tony Kornheiser
Pretty inside. That was a heist from the airport. That was pretty good deal. It led to a pretty good movie. Maybe you saw Goodfellas. Maybe you didn't see it 15 times like I did, but maybe you saw it once. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Nats clean house. Mexico beats the United States for the Gold cup. And two outfielders make impressive throws. We're going to begin today with Wimbledon. Men's number one seed Jannik Sinner was in real peril this afternoon when he got a big break. 19 seeded Gregor Dimitrov was up two sets to love and tied at two games apiece in the third when he appeared to tear a pectoral muscle while serving. The 34 year old Bulgarian retired from the match. So Sinner advances to face 10 seeded Ben Shelton. Wilbon, your reaction to the end of this match and what it means for the rest of the tournament?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony, the whole thing is unbelievable. I mean the backstory is unbelievable, which we'll get to in a second about Dimitrov, The Bulgarian who's 34 years old and has been as high as the number three player ranked player in the world, but he has these things. So he's leading two sets to none against center and they're tussling in the third set and you're like, whoa, is center the number one seed, the number one player in the world? Is he going to go out here or is he going to have to be involved in some five set thriller? What's going to happen? And then you get this injury, this torn pec. And then the backstory of course is that Dimitrov, it's his fifth consecutive major where he's had to retire because of an injury and the 10th time in his career from a major. Not all matches, not all tournaments from majors. And it's just not possible. And so the drama of it and Ben Shelton, you know, I told you last week briefly, I think that Ben Shelton can insert himself with Alcaraz in center. He's got the game, he's got the swag, he's got the, the personal life, the glamor. He's got all of it he needs to win. But I think Shelton can do that. And now he squares off against center.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So Dimitrov is Joel Embiid. He can't stay out there. He's a highly skilled guy who can't stay out there. Five straight. Five straight.
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Mike Wilbon
Unbelievable.
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Tony Kornheiser
10 overall. Unbelievable is wacky, but five straight is on the look, there was going to be a domino effect. Had Sinner lost, it would open up the draw, his side of the draw for Djokovic, who won today while losing the first set, that would have been a big deal. Secondarily, Shelton, who you love tremendously, Shelton would not have had to play Sinner, as he does have to play him now. He would get Dimitrov, which is a different deal also altogether. And Alcaraz would become a heavier favorite because the other side of the draw would be diminished without the number one seed. As I watched it, I had that sense, Mike, as I'm sure you did too, that every time he moved, he was in pain and it wasn't going to work. It just wasn't going to work. He was going to have to go work. No, we move now to next week. Baseball. We move now to next week's baseball. All Star game. Rosters being set and of course, the debate over who got snubbed. The biggest names not to make it are Juan Soto, the highest paid player in baseball, and Mookie Betts, who was not an All Star for the first time since 2015. Wilbond, did any All Star snub stand out to you personally?
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah. Those guys play in New York and la would a shock. Their names would come up first and you labeled it properly. Biggest names. Either one of them got 77 runs better than so far before the All Star break? No. No, they don't. Either one got 24 home runs? No. Either one play for a team which has the best plus minus of anybody in the in Major League Baseball? No. The Cubs have that. And that player would be Saya Suzuki. He has those credentials. The other two you mentioned, stars that they are and their gazillion dollar salaries do not. So he, Seiya Suzuki on the first place Cubs is my snub.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So my feeling about people who get snubbed in the All Star Game is the same feeling I have when there's a hue and cry about teams that get snubbed in the NCAA Basketball tournament. They are usually fifth or sixth place teams in their conference and they're saying, we want to be the 68th team. And my reaction to this is, you know, just tell it to somebody who cares because you have proven, we have seen it with our own eyes, that you can't win this tournament. Now, I have a little bit more sympathy for people in baseball who gets not. But this is. Mike. This is going to continually happen as long as they keep this silly rule that every single team has to have at least one representative in the All Star Game. Like the. Like the Miami Marlins. I mean, this is crazy. It does not make the competition better because you take a better player out of play. It does not diminish the television ratings or help the television ratings because the ratings exist because of Shohei Ohtani and Aaron Judge. It's a small, condescending rule. And yes, I mean, in answer to your direct plea. Yeah. If a guy's leading the league in rbi, yeah. He should be an All Star.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
You're watering this down by forcing those people to the sidelines because everybody's got to have at least one.
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Mike Wilbon
Saya Suzuki doesn't seem to have what we've seen so far. The personality to put a chip on his shoulder and be angry the rest of the summer at being left off. I wish he did, because I'd like to be humbled with that going against the Cardinals and Brewers. But that's not Suzuki's personality, apparently, and so he'll just roll with it. But seriously, come on now. Let's move to management changes for your Washington Nationals. Tony. The franchise fired manager Davey Martinez and president of Baseball ops Mike Rizzo yesterday. The duo only led the team to a World Series in 2019. But as you point out, the Nationals have struggled in recent years and sit 16 games under as we near the All Star break. Tone. Was this the right call and the right time?
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay, so I'm not going to say that it was deserved. The word I'm going to use is justified. Since winning the World Series in 2019, the Washington Nationals have the second worst composite record in all of baseball. Only Colorado has a worst record. They have now lost. Let me get this right. 20 of their last 27 games. They completely cratered this weekend at home against Boston. Mike. They left 15 on last night. 15? You can't leave 15 people on base. Their starters almost always give up multiple runs in the first inning, and their bullpen is statistically the worst bullpen in baseball. So I do think this is justified. You look around me, and I'm a fan. I watch. The pitching coach hasn't made the pitchers better. The hitting coach hasn't made the hitters better. Davies enthusiasm is falling on deaf ears. And Mike Rizzo put together a roster that's not that good. So the Nationals face three significant questions. They got to go get a gm, and they got to first interview people who are impartial so they can find out what's wrong with their team. You got to have that. Then the GM and the owner have to sit down. They have to pick a manager, not for this year, but for the years to come. This year is not going to mean anything. And then the owners have to spend money, Mike. I mean, you have to have skin in the game. You can't be a landlord. You have to decide that you're in this thing to win this thing. I mean, honestly, you. It's a civic trust. You have to go out there and compete to win. I'm sorry I took all the time, but it's my team. I apologize.
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Mike Wilbon
I just remember that when you start trashing me about mentioning the word Cubs in the drinking game in the future, like the rest of the summer, when your team's not in it, I root for my grizzly Chicago Catholic League boy like me. And last I checked, Soto would look good if the batting coach had him. Bryce Harper would look good if the batting coach had him.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yep.
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Mike Wilbon
You know, Max Scherzer would make the pitching coach look better. So I look out there. Trey Turner would make everybody look bad. So I look out there every time I'm watching a game. And I watch a lot of baseball right now. A lot. Every night there's an ex national on some team that would make the Nationals look better. Except the owners didn't pay to keep them.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's right. No, you're right. But they made some good trades. They got, you know, they got James Wood and they got Mackenzie Gore, and they are good players. Let's move to last night's Gold cup soccer final in Houston in which Mexico beat the United States two to one. After the United States scored in the third. Third minute late in the game, there was a potential handball by Mexico that could have resulted in a US Penalty kick, but no call was made, and the go ahead goal by Mexico was originally nullified. For offsides. Then it was reversed. On review, the U.S. players and their coach, Mauricio Pochettino, lambasted both calls. Well, when you watch the game, what was your takeaway?
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Mike Wilbon
It didn't start with officiating. I'm not, you know, that historically, neck deep into, you know, soccer that I'm going to jump on the officiating. I will say that handballs confound me all the time because sometimes intent seems to be taken into consideration, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes who's near, who's near the play is taken into consideration, sometimes it isn't. So I can't figure that out. And offsides, you know, in this case, I'm wondering, okay, are we going to var. Is this going to be called offsides? A spectacular play with this double header. No pun intended. But, Tony, I'm looking at the result. And I wonder what the American players, when they have to speak honestly about crowds, you know, in America who are not in, you know, not rallying behind the Stars and Stripes, what they feel about that, what that means going forward, into more competition coming up, depending on where the games are played. What does 21 loss when you got a 1 nothing lead to Mexico means? So I got more questions. Which is the way it should be as we now get closer and closer, 330 days or whatever it is to World Cup.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I'll just talk about the handball for a second. The guy goes down, he's palming the ball. He's palming the ball on the ground, and then he pushes off the ball in order to get up. I assume that was handball because his hand was on the ball. If there's another explanation referees have. Fine. You know, you can convince me it's not my deal. I think this is a good result for the United States, Mike. They went to the finals, they lost by one goal. They were missing four or five or six guys, their best guys who are going to be starters in the World Cup. This was the walk up narrative to the Gold Cup. Where are these guys? Why aren't they playing? If the United States can get this close with a B team when they have their A team, I think they ought to be encouraged. Let's take a break. But coming up to the Astros sweep of the Dodgers. Say more about Houston or L. A.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I don't know how encouraged they should be with that loss. O' Neal Cruz made an unbelievable throw to the plate yesterday. But did Cody Bellinger do something even more impressive? Not to me.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, the Nats, the owner's got a.
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Tony Kornheiser
Time to check in with the checkered masses. Let's see what's next. Here we go. Which team does the Astros sweep of the Dodgers reveal more about Houston or Los Angeles?
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Mike Wilbon
The Astros. The Astros. And they're both going to be good. They're both almost certainly going to be in the playoffs. They both could be a threat to win the World Series. Hell, they've won four World Series out of the last, I don't know, eight years between the two of them. But Tony, what Houston does and they just keep replacing players. Bregman and Tucker can go on and be all stars elsewhere. Fine, replace them. George Springer can go up to Toronto. He can be in another country. Fine, replace him. Correa, replace him. Dusty Baker, Replace them. Verlander, Replace them. They scout. They come up with talented people. Scout, develop, plug, win. Astros. They may not be as glamorous as the Dodgers, but they're right there as a threat to winning again. As much as the Astros. As much as the Dodgers.
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Tony Kornheiser
You left one guy out. Jordan Alvarez is on the DL. Alvarez and they have to replace him. Here's the thing. So they outscored The Dodgers like 29 to 6 in three games, including 18 one in one game. The worst Dodger home loss ever. Something like that. I'm going to pass all that stuff off on the Dodgers because you don't want to look too carefully at three games in early July when you have 162. But the Dodgers are 20 and 19, I believe against teams with winning records. Houston right now is 8 and 1 against your Cubs against the Dodgers against the Phillies against first place teams and they're 19 and five in their last 24. You're 100% right. It says more about the Astros. Says more about the Astros playing well. Better outfield play on Sunday. O' Neal Cruz or Cody Bellinger?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony, these are two great plays. But the o' Neill Cruz play is such a stunner in that he makes this throw. First of all, people could go crazy if they want over the 105mph, I'll grant you that.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
But the ball arrives at home plate in the catcher's mitt at the same time as the hip of a fully striding runner who probably so surprised that he doesn't even slide. The ball has to come loose. It has to be jarred loose and it isn't. So I'm going to go with the o' Neal Cruz throw. Even though Bellinger makes a fine play. Bellinger having a hell of a year, I still like to have him. I'm not sure where he'd play in Chicago. Like to have him anyway. But I'm a go with Cruz on this particular play.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, we're going to have an honest disagreement. The Cruz play, it is 105 miles an hour, which, which leads to the obvious question. Are you going to put him on the mound? Are you going to see if he can pitch? Is he going to be another Shohei Otani? You probably have to try. The reason the Bellinger play is better and the o' Neill Cruz play is great. The Bellinger plays. Not only does he have to go down to the shoe tops in order to catch the liner, but he comes up in one motion and you think he's got a hose. Man, that is like on the money to first base, embarrassing Frankie Lindor, making him look like a little Leaguer. So you have a former MVP doing that to a former mvp. It's the only game I believe that the Yankees won against the Mets in that particular series. So what I would do, Mike, is I would put Cruz on the mound. And I would say my applause in this case for Bellinger, because to me, Bellinger's play is a perfect play. It's absolutely perfect to me.
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Mike Wilbon
Except when you, when you're throwing it home, it ain't. It's a little bit more impressive than throwing it to first base.
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Tony Kornheiser
To me, I don't know, the most impressive throw in baseball is from right field to third base. That's the big one. Enough email. Let's take one last break. Still to come, the Pacers update the status of Tyrese Halliburton for next season.
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Mike Wilbon
And the Miami heat land a 20 point scorer which could start some dominoes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Would you not try to see if Cruz could pitch? Wouldn't you have to try to see if he could?
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Mike Wilbon
No, no, no.
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Tony Kornheiser
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 65th birthday. Ralph Sampson Although his team never won the NCAA title, Sampson was three time Collegiate Player of the Year at the University of Virginia, where his number 50 is retired. Sampson was the number one overall draft pick by the Houston Rockets in 1983 and was NBA Rookie of the Year in 1984, averaging 21 points and 11 rebounds. But Sampson, at 74 with guard skills, was supposed to be a transformational player, much like Victor Wembanyama, and he never was. Sampson was a four time All Star at Houston, but never as impactful as his teammate Akeem Olajuwon. Three knee surgeries surely derailed his career, which seems somewhat unfulfilled.
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Mike Wilbon
You know Tony, I feel very fortunate in that I get to see and interact often with Ralph in and around Charlottesville, in and around Washington, D.C. he's still heavily involved with the university. He is as pleasant as affable. You always love Ralph. I'm gonna give you credit for being earlier on Ralph than anybody. But Tony, here's what you also know. Coaching. I don't mean coaches Coaching failed Ralph. It had not evolved to the point where they knew what to do with him. Yet Ralph was an alien to them. And it's too bad because he had every skill in the book, all of which you mentioned, and nobody knew what to do. He was 20 years before his time, maybe 30.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy anniversary, Tom Browning. This is posthumous, but on this day 32 years ago, the Reds starting lefty snuck away from his team and spent half an inning lounging out at one of the Wrigleyville rooftop joints in full uniform in the middle of the game against the Cubs. This hilarious move drew a fine from Reds manager Davie Johnson. Browning most famously threw a perfect game in 1988, getting strikes on 70 of his 102 pitches and never going to three balls on a single batter. Browning remains the only Cincinnati pitcher to throw a Perfect game. Career record 123 and 9394 ERA, made one All Star game and was on the Reds World series champs in 1990.
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Mike Wilbon
The worst the Cubs were Tony the more time I spent on the rooftops. But last year and now, really this summer, the place to be is in the ballpark, not on the rooftops. Even if a player wandered over to.
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Tony Kornheiser
Say hello, a melancholy trails to Bobby Jenks. The former relief pitcher passed away from stomach cancer on Friday. At just 44, Jenks came to fame as the closer for the White Sox during their 2005 World Series title run. Manager Ozzie Guillen would call for Jenks to enter by pantomiming a gesture for the big fella. In all, Jenks saved 173 games for the White Sox over six seasons. He could throw over 100 at a time when that was rare and and once retired a major league record tying 41 consecutive batters.
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Mike Wilbon
Wow, Tony. That White Sox team is going to celebrate the 20th anniversary of winning the World Series next week. And Ozzie Guillen, he wasn't saying the big fella when he put his arms out like that. It was comical, it was entertaining. And it's just sad to hear that we've lost Bobby Jinx at this age.
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Tony Kornheiser
Indeed. Let's go to the big finish if we could. The three way NBA trade landed normal Norman Powell on the Heat and John Collins on the Clippers. A big deal.
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Mike Wilbon
Yes. Norman Powell to the Heat. I love that. Where he fits in there would seem to me and Bradley Beal may be on the move and expand that Clipper thing. We'll see. The Pacers confirm Tyrese Halliburton will miss all of next season with a torn Achilles. Your thoughts?
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Tony Kornheiser
Two of their three best players are out. Halliburton will miss the whole year and Miles Turner left. So they're back in the pile with everybody else. Angel Reese of the sky says WNBA officiating has to be fixed. Do you agree, Tony?
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Mike Wilbon
I don't know, but it's a familiar refrain right now, league wide. So at least it's gotta be talked about and studied. Zach Wheeler struck out 12, gave up just one hit in beating the Reds yesterday. You impressed?
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Tony Kornheiser
He went nine, Mike. A complete game. They're so rare. He pitched great and he went nine. That's good. Last one. LeBron has apparently been taking up golf. Do you have any tips for him?
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Mike Wilbon
Stay with it. Don't worry about embarrassment. We've all been there. Even great athletes have been there. And the other thing is, go hang out with Karl Anthony Towns, who's taller than you and has the most beautiful swing ever. He and Tony Ku, coach of anybody over six' four.
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Tony Kornheiser
We're out of time. We will try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads.
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Unknown Speaker
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Tony Kornheiser
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Mike Wilbon
Hours and days to follow. Glad you're with us tonight.
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Tony Kornheiser
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Unknown Speaker
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