PTI Podcast Episode Summary

Episode: Does Last Night Say More About Chiefs or Jags?
Date: October 7, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon
Guest: Jeff Saturday (ESPN NFL Analyst)

Overview

This episode focuses on the implications of the Jacksonville Jaguars’ dramatic win over the Kansas City Chiefs, dissecting what it means for both teams’ prospects. The hosts also dive into MLB playoff action—including on the Dodgers, Phillies, Cubs, and Brewers—and discuss NFL storylines, including the Browns trading Joe Flacco to a division rival. A notable segment features Jeff Saturday, who brings a player and coach’s perspective to NFL topics, such as Trevor Lawrence’s game-winning scramble and a coach-player sideline altercation.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jaguars’ Victory Over the Chiefs – Who Does It Say More About?

[01:16] - [04:15]

• Game Recap: Jacksonville QB Trevor Lawrence’s scramble and dive clinched a 31-28 win, flipping a late Chiefs’ lead.
• Wilbon’s Take:
  • Close-game magic: “These are the kind of plays that went 100% in Kansas City's favor last year ... the Chiefs won every game like this last year, which made them resented as a team to some people. Not to me.” [01:51]
  • Parity and pressure: “There’s just so little margin for error. The Jaguars are better … I’ve been waiting for Trevor Lawrence to ... get to the point where he looked like he did in college. We’re not there yet, but maybe.”
  • Chiefs feeling the squeeze: “The Chiefs are now finding out how everybody else lived over the past few years while they had all these plays work in their favor.”
• Tony’s Perspective:
  • Big implications: “I think it was a big time win for Jacksonville. Maybe a big time win for Trevor Lawrence as well.”
  • Jags’ Resume: “Jacksonville is now 4-1. Among the teams they've beaten are Kansas City ... and San Francisco ... You know, they find themselves on top of the AFC standings.”
  • Potential turning point: “Maybe this was the breakthrough game with Trevor Lawrence. At the end of the game, he threw a lot of very good passes. Maybe this coach is the coach who unlocks the door for Trevor Lawrence.” [03:47]
• College vs. NFL Rules:
  • Tony: “Thank God he's no longer at Clemson. ... If your hand touches the ball and your knee goes down in college, that's it. ... You can't make that play in college.” [03:06]

2. Chiefs’ Defensive Concerns

[04:15]

• Wilbon Questions Chris Jones, Chiefs Defender:
  • “How did you feel about Chris Jones? Just sort of the best defensive player on the Chiefs ... just sort of looking around like there was a whistle and only he heard it.” [04:15]
• Tony’s Take:
  • “That was a bad look for a player. ... He looked at the play in the same way I did, from a distance … But you’re right about Kansas City. They should have won. They’re up 14-nothing.” [04:29]

3. National League Division Series – Dodgers vs. Phillies

[04:49] - [06:45]

• Game Recap: Dodgers take 2-0 lead with late inning outburst and defensive gems.
• Tony’s Thoughts:
  • “I think it’s the Dodgers. ... The Dodgers and Phillies are in the highest echelon ... The game was tied, 0-0 into the seventh ... all of a sudden it starts raining runs.” [05:19]
  • Defensive Highlight: “First, that wheel play on a sac bunt which got an out at third base. ... I never wrote down five, six, tag. That doesn’t ever happen.” [05:50]
  • Pitching Drama: “Blake Trinen doesn’t get anybody out, and suddenly two runs are in ... The Dodgers needed three pitchers in the ninth.”
• Wilbon’s Counterpoint:
  • “The Dodgers are narrowly, marginally better. ... These are two close games. This is not like the Yankees and the Cubs getting blowed out.” [06:46]
  • “The Phillies aren’t getting hitting out of the guys they need to get hits from. ... They might be able to do that once in Dodger land.” [07:20]
• Offensive Futility:
  • Tony: “Trey Turner is the NL batting champ ... Schwarber is the NL home run champ ... Harper's a 2-time MVP ... They're two for 21 at the moment, which as we like to say, is San Diego land.” [07:34]

4. Brewers Dominate Cubs in Divisional Play

[07:38] - [10:44]

• Game Recap: Cubs fail to hold early lead; Brewers hit three home runs, including two three-run shots.
• Wilbon’s Honesty:
  • “We have to believe, but the Brewers are a better team. The Brewers, at one stretch, went 38 and 16 in July and August … that is the stretch they use to win the division and separate themselves … Can the Cubs win a game at Wrigley? I don’t know. ... I don’t know if we can recover. It doesn’t look like we can recover.” [08:14]
  • Pitching critique: “Starting Matthew Boyd ... on short rest, that got the Cubs off to a bad start. And I don’t know if we can recover.”
• Tony’s Stats:
  • “The Cubs have only 12 runs in five playoff games at the moment. They struck out 11 times last night. They struck out 58 times in these five games. ... Meanwhile, Milwaukee has 16 runs in two games. So you’ll excuse me, but it feels like a beat down at this point.” [09:28]
• On Brewers Hitting:
  • “I think the last five times they've been in the playoffs, Mike, they've only won two games. ... They were 22nd in the major leagues this year in home runs. But if you get three in one night … that can change the trajectory.” [09:57]
• On Miz’s Pitching:
  • Tony: “The Miz … was electric.” [10:44]
  • Wilbon: “Come on, this kid was terrific, everybody.” [10:44]

Five Good Minutes w/ Jeff Saturday

[13:03] – [18:42]

1. Browns Trade Joe Flacco to Bengals

• Jeff’s Reaction:
  • “It ain’t good, fellas. ... We no longer, this guy’s no longer going to help us. ... Otherwise we wouldn’t trade him to you.” [13:19]
  • On Bengals Outlook: “You got to protect the quarterback, especially a 40 plus year old. ... You better learn to seven man protect so that he can get the ball off … Otherwise this thing could get ugly in a hurry.”

2. Trevor Lawrence’s Game-Winning TD Play

• Wilbon asks: What do you notice on the replay?
• Jeff’s Breakdown:
  • “Oh, the finish between the left guard and the tackle. ... The guard comes over and peels and just blows up the defensive end … honestly opens up a lane ... it’s like the parting of the Red Sea, right? ... He literally can walk in the end zone ... it was a massive win for the Jags, and to finish it that way is such a feather in the cap and such a confidence booster.” [14:30]
  • On Chris Jones: “Chris Jones is in the middle of the field. Doesn’t even make an effort to stand, to run over. Yeah, just standing there.” [14:53]

3. Coach-Player Sideline Altercation: Gannon & DeMarcado

• Wilbon: How do you see the coach apology drama?
• Jeff’s Perspective:
  • “There’s no place for it. Right. Putting your hands on a player from a coach. ... What Gannon said, I thought felt authentic. ... The credibility he’s built in the locker room will go a long way here.” [16:02]
  • On sideline dynamics: “We do and say a lot of things on the sideline … There’s no HR department ... Those two can squash it and the team as a whole.”

4. Alabama’s 370-lb Tackle Kaden Proctor as Skill Player

• Tony: What do you think, as a former lineman?
• Jeff’s Delight:
  • “I’m so jealous, but I’m so happy simultaneously ... There is nothing better than seeing a guy who works for a living ... get the ball in his hands. ... It is a thing of beauty, as I’d like to say. It's glorious.” [17:55]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tony Kornheiser, on the Jags’ win:
  “Maybe this was the breakthrough game with Trevor Lawrence. At the end of the game, he threw a lot of very good passes. Maybe this coach is the coach who unlocks the door for Trevor Lawrence.” [03:47]
• Mike Wilbon, on the Dodgers vs Phillies:
  “The Dodgers are narrowly, marginally better. ... These are two close games. This is not like the Yankees and the Cubs getting blowed out.” [06:42]
• Jeff Saturday, on the Browns trading Flacco:
  “It ain’t good, fellas. ... If we thought he was going to help you, we wouldn’t trade him to you.” [13:19]
• Jeff Saturday, describing Lawrence’s TD:
  “It’s like the parting of the Red Sea, right? ... He literally can walk in the end zone and go score.” [14:30]
• Tony Kornheiser, on Cubs’ struggles:
  “So you’ll excuse me, but it feels like a beat down at this point.” [09:28]

Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:16] Show proper starts: Chiefs-Jaguars game discussion
• [04:15] Curious defensive lapse by Chiefs’ Chris Jones
• [04:49] Dodgers vs. Phillies, pivotal NLDS moments
• [07:38] Cubs vs. Brewers: Cubs’ bleak playoff odds
• [10:52] “The Miz” as electric closer (Brewers)
• [13:03] Five Good Minutes with Jeff Saturday
• [13:19] Flacco trade ramifications
• [14:30] Technical breakdown of Lawrence’s scramble TD
• [16:02] Cardinal coach-player sideline incident & apology
• [17:55] Fun with linemen as playmakers: Kaden Proctor segment

Tone & Language

The hosts maintain their signature playful, bantering tone throughout—mixing sharp insight, sports nerdery, and humor. Jeff Saturday brings an authoritative but accessible former-player voice, especially in technical breakdowns.

Conclusion

This lively episode dissects the dramatic Jaguars-Chiefs finish, with takes on whether it marks a true turning point for Jacksonville and Trevor Lawrence. MLB playoff analysis is sharply focused on the razor-thin margins deciding series, and the Chicago Cubs’ struggles are analyzed with optimism but realism. Jeff Saturday adds depth with his NFL expertise, and the show continues its blend of fun, detail, and debate appreciated by sports fans.