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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's apparently National Bathtub Day. Tony, how you celebrating that?
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornheiser. Not with the neighbors again. Too many people. The faucet was jamming into my back.
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Mike Wilbon
Okay, now these are too many details. This is tmi. Yeah. You know. Yeah. National.
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Tony Kornheiser
You're not a bath person, right? No, you're not a bath.
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Mike Wilbon
And if you come to my house and you take a bath, get out. You got too much time on your hands. Take a shower for three minutes. I'm like, saban, this is not a resort. Get out of here. There's no bath. Love Saban in that commercial.
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Tony Kornheiser
Dude, he's very good in that.
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Mike Wilbon
He really is.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. 255.
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Mike Wilbon
I know.
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Tony Kornheiser
Welcome to PTI, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Dodgers are one win away. Wilbon's Cubs are on the verge of elimination. And Jeff Saturday joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with last night's NFL game. Jacksonville's quarterback Trevor Lawrence fell down, fell down again, got up finally and ran left and dove into the end zone for the go ahead points and a 31:28 Jacksonville victory. With 23 seconds to go, Kansas City had taken the lead on a short run by Kareem Hunt with 145 to go. It was actually a terrific back and forth game. Wilbon, what does this result say to you about each team?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony, the result is these are the kind of plays that went 100% in Kansas City's favor last year. We noticed because they were 11 and 01 score games. The Chiefs won every game like this last year, which made them resented as a team to some people. Not to me. But Tony, these games are so close across the league, there's just so little margin for error. The Jaguars are better. You know, we talked about this yesterday. I've been waiting for Trevor Lawrence to sort of creep ahead incrementally and get to the point where he looked like he did in college. We're not there yet, but maybe. And the Kansas City Chiefs are now finding out how everybody else lived over the past few years while they had all these plays work in their favor. I don't think it says anything grand. The Chiefs have plenty of time left to win more of these games than they lose. And the Jaguars have not sort of flexed to the point that they're in the clear. The Jaguars are not 143 yet, but I thought it was kind of cool the way they won that game and the way particularly Trevor Lawrence hung in there.
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Tony Kornheiser
Thank you for mentioning that. You've waited for him since college.
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Mike Wilbon
I have.
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Tony Kornheiser
Because I will tell you, my first reaction having seen that play, and it was, thank God he's no longer at Clemson. Because if your hand touches the ball and your knee goes down in college, that's it. Yeah, that's the end of the play. You can't make that play in college. I think it was a big time win for Jacksonville. Maybe a big time win for Trevor Lawrence as well. Jacksonville is now 4 1. Among the teams they've beaten are Kansas City, which has recently won a bunch of Super Bowls, and San Francisco, which has recently gotten to a Super Bowl. I believe. You know, they find themselves on top of the AFC standings. You know, they're tied with Buffalo and they're tied with Indianapolis. This is Jacksonville we're talking about. I mean, are they a playoff team? No, not necessarily. But right now, Mike, I'll tell you, it's not a playoff team. Baltimore's not. I'll tell you, Cincinnati's not, Miami's not. And these are teams that are often in the playoffs. So maybe this was. Maybe this was the breakthrough game with Trevor Lawrence. At the end of the game, he threw a lot of very good passes. Maybe this coach is the coach who unlocks the door for Trevor Lawrence.
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Mike Wilbon
One thing we gotta touch on. How did you feel about Chris Jones? Just sort of the best defensive player on the Chiefs and one of the best defensive players in the league. Just sort of looking around like there was a whistle and only he heard it.
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Tony Kornheiser
That was a bad look for a player. I would say. I would say that he looked at the play in the same way I did, from a distance. That was sort of what happened. But you're right about Kansas City. They should have won. They're up 14 nothing. They won 22. Yes, you do.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, it's a good game. Let's move to baseball. And the Dodgers going up two nothing on the fields in that best of five nlds. The Dodgers pulled ahead with a Four run seventh. The Phillies could have tied it in the ninth if not for two terrific infield outs by the Dodgers. First, that wheel play on a sack bunt which got an out at third base. And second, a Freddie Freeman dig out at first. Tony, is this series more about what the Dodgers are doing or what the Phils are not?
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Tony Kornheiser
So I think it's the Dodgers, you know that. I think that the Dodgers and the Phillies are in the highest echelon there is in baseball. I think it's more about what the Dodgers are doing than what the Phillies are not. The game was tied,00 into the seventh. Losado was pitching great. A couple of guys get on, and all of a sudden it starts raining runs. And Will Smith gets a big hit. Shohe Ohtani gets a big hit and it's four nothing. But the Phillies come back. They come back for reasons that are unclear to me, Dave Roberts puts in Blake trinen to get three outs in the ninth. Yeah, my boy. Three outs in the ninth of a 41 game. I've been to this movie with the Washington Nationals. Blake Trinen doesn't get anybody out, and suddenly two runs are in. It's a 43 game, and Castellanos is on second base. So they lay down a bunt because he's the tying run. They laid down a bunt to get him to third. And then you have this wheel play. Muncie rushes in, turns around, throws the ball to Mookie Bets, who puts on the tag. And Mike, you and I have kept a lot of score in our life at baseball games. I never wrote down five, six, tag. I never wrote that down in my life. Nobody writes that down. Five, six, tag. That doesn't ever happen. And then the Dodgers needed three pitchers in the ninth, and as you say, they had saved. Freddie Freeman makes a great stretch and scoops the ball up. It's a terrible throw by the second baseman. It's terrible. They get out. They get out of the game.
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Mike Wilbon
The Dodgers are narrowly, marginally better.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's it.
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Mike Wilbon
That's the only conclusion. Drop. These are two close games. This is not like the Yankees and the Cubs getting blowed out. This is not like that. These games come down to, like, a play or so. I mean, you know, Jimmy Rollins in the post game explained it with such insight and precision on what Castellanos could have been doing to sort of get a bigger lead off of second and make it safely, the third. For a guy who's not particularly fast, but he also is not a particularly savvy baserunner. And Jimmy Rollins was. But it was fascinating to watch all that stuff post game. And Mookie was great. And the Dodgers are precise. And the Phillies aren't getting hitting out of the guys they need to get hits from. They might be able to do that once in Dodger land, though. They might be able to do that in Dodger Stadium.
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Tony Kornheiser
The top of the order, Trey Turner is the National League batting champ.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Schwarber is the National League home run champ. And I believe that Harper's a two time MVP. And they're two for 21 at the moment, which, as we like to say, is San Diego land. Let's stay with baseball. Stay with baseball. Deal with the agony of your Cubs. They took the lead in the top of the first on a 31 homer by Seiya Suzuki, but couldn't hold it for more than two outs. Then Milwaukee. Single, Milwaukee. Single, Milwaukee. Three run bomb by Andrew Vaughan. Your Cubs never scored again. And The brewers got two more homers, including another three run shot by Jackson Churio. Final score, 73 Uman. The Cubs are going back to Wrigley, down 2 0. Should Cubs fans still believe?
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Mike Wilbon
I mean, we have to believe, but the brewers are a better team. The brewers, at one stretch, went 38 and 16 in July and August, and that is the stretch they use to win the division and separate themselves and give themselves a bye and also prove to themselves when they walk out there like, no, we got this. That's how the brewers feel. That's how they should feel. They earned that. Can the Cubs win a game at Wrigley? I don't know. I mean, the Cubs got off to a bad start when Craig Counsel said, I'm going to pitch Matthew Boyd on short rest. You know, I support almost everything Craig Council's done all summer to get the Cubs to this position. But starting Matthew Boyd, who's like 34 years old, on short rest, that got the Cubs off to a bad start. And I don't know know if we can recover. It doesn't look like we can recover. But, Tony, the Brewers are the better team. They feel like it. They played those games at home. They didn't care that the Cubs got off to that start. And by the way, the two teams were 7 and 7 in that ballpark or against each other. I'm sorry, 7 and 7. But 3 and 3 in that ballpark going into that game last night. So it's not like they held a big edge. But. But the edge they have is all they need.
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Tony Kornheiser
So you're my friend and I root for your team. But I watch these games and, yeah, Milwaukee is a better team. The Cubs, let me give you some numbers that I know are painful. The Cubs have only 12 runs in five playoff games at the moment. They struck out 11 times last night. They struck out 58 times in these five games. They only got two hits. After that home run in the first inning, they only got two more hits. And meanwhile, Milwaukee has 16 runs in two games. So you'll excuse me, but it feels like a beat down at this point.
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Mike Wilbon
It is.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm one of those people that, you know, I revere the Phillies and the Dodgers. I think that's the heavyweight division. And that's because I've looked at Milwaukee in recent playoff years. I think the last five times they've been in the playoffs, Mike, they've only won two games. They've never advanced another round. And a lot of people say it's because they don't hit the long ball. They were 22nd in the major leagues this year in home runs. But if you get three in one night, you get three in a playoff game. That can change the trajectory, you know, of. Of what you're doing for the playoffs. So, I mean, I was. I was impressed. I was impressed and I was impressed by your boy, the Miz. The Miz, in his last eight appearances, had a 606 ERA, and he was electric.
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Mike Wilbon
Last year, you and other fans I know spent all summer taking shots at the Miz.
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Tony Kornheiser
And I did.
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Mike Wilbon
Come on, this kid was terrific, everybody.
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Tony Kornheiser
Did you hear me say he was electric last night? He was hitting 104.
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Jeff Saturday
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's take a break. Coming up, the Browns trade Joe Flacco to the Bengals. We're going to ask Jeff Saturday for his thoughts on that.
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Mike Wilbon
We'll also ask him what he saw during Trevor Lawrence's scramble for that winning score. Yeah, the Miz. The Miz shut us down. 16 pitches of his 31, I think reached 100.
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Jeff Saturday
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Jeff Saturday
You are watching. Pardon the interruption. Presented by Twisted Tea Hard Iced Tea. Part of happy hour.
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Tony Kornheiser
Time to dig into the NFL trenches with our great friend ESPN NFL analyst Jeff Saturday. Jeff, the Browns today, this afternoon just traded Joe Flacco to the Bengals that is a division rival. What does that say to you?
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Jeff Saturday
It ain't good. It ain't good, fellas. It's like, hey, we no longer, this guy's no longer going to help us. We don't believe he's really going to help you. Otherwise we wouldn't trade him to you. You know, but as I looked at the trade, this is no slight to Joe Flacco because you know, he's had an incredible career and what he's done. But you're sending him to a team that burrows already been hurt, that Browning gets pressured all the time. I'm not sure what the frustration is if it's, if it's like from the receiving core or whatever it is, they just want somebody else, change for change. But you got to protect the quarterback, especially a 40 plus year old. And I know you got Chase, I know you got Higgins. You better learn to seven man protect so that he can get the ball off and throw those two guys. Otherwise this thing could get ugly in a hurry.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm so glad I did. I'm so glad people are gushing over this trade and Jeff is as always the voice of reason. Let's go to last night and Trevor Lawrence falling down on the ultimate play in that game. And Jeff, when you see the reaction of the offensive lineman and defensive lineman, most of whom are on the ground, but when you look at the replay of that over and over. You focus first on what?
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Jeff Saturday
Oh, the finish between the left guard and the tackle. So if you see Lawrence fall down and then get up and fall down again, as he's getting up, the guard comes over and peels and just blows up the defensive end who was trying to bull rush the tackle, knocks him clearly down, which honestly opens up a lane, because you heard Trevor talking about in his post game, he was thinking about standing up and just throwing the ball away, but all of a sudden it's like the parting of the Red Sea, right? And you see this thing open up and here he goes running, and then you look on the other side. I didn't notice this during the play, but obviously this morning we broke it down on get up, but Chris Jones is in the middle of the field. Doesn't even make an effort to stand, to run over. Yeah, just standing there. And so he literally can walk in the end zone and go score. I love to see the resiliency and the finish of the Jags, the way they finish that game in the offensive line and obviously on a total fluke play. And so many opportunities for the Chiefs to put it away that they couldn't. But it's special because that was a massive win for the Jags, and to finish it that way is such a feather in the cap and such a confidence booster. A lot of respect for how they closed it out.
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Mike Wilbon
At the other end of the emotional spectrum was, of course, Cardinals coach Jonathan Gannon and his reaction first to DeMarcado and then his apology for the way he ended that whole thing in the end zone. How do you see that from the perspective of a former player and coach?
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Jeff Saturday
Yeah, there's no place for it. Right. Putting your hands on a player from a coach. Right. You're the head coach. You're the ultimate authority on that team. So, you know, you go put your hands on a guy and the guy responds back, what's going to happen? Like, I mean, it could have gotten much worse than it did from DeMarcado. He handled it. You know, obviously it was frustrating and disappointing for him because. But the way he handled the. The exchange between he and Gannon, he definitely handled it the right way by not doing anything back. But the. The issue for me is this. You'll see what. What it really meant if the guys really buy into the apology, because it felt authentic. Like, what Gannon said, I thought felt authentic. I felt like he. Look, I. I blew it. I got caught up in my. All of those Things are true, right? But don't forget, like the game wasn't over when that happened. They still got a lead, right? So. But the credibility he's built in the locker room will go a long way here because the guys will see this as truly being authentic. Hey, bad moment. This is not him. This is not him. He was out of character for him. He lost it in a moment. We've all done that in our life. We're going to get over it. And again, from a player perspective, we do and say a lot of things on the sideline, right? And Dominique Foxworth said it best on the sideline. There's no HR department, right? Like we said things to each other, to coaches, players that aren't kind and what he did was not acceptable. You don't ever want to put your. But they can squash it. Those two can squash it and the team as a whole. And that's hoping what, that's what I hope will come of this is, hey, he's built enough credibility in the locker room. The guys accept the apology, accept that he knew he was wrong and then move on.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let us get you out of here on this. Alabama has been getting the ball to a 370 pound offensive tackle, Kaden Proctor. What is your review as a former lineman? I'm sure you're jealous. What is your review of his abilities?
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Jeff Saturday
I'm so jealous, but I'm so happy simultaneously, like, I love to see, you know, the pass on the sideline. A couple weeks ago he's over there shaking bacon, tiptoeing the sideline. Now he's bowling people over. Like, there is nothing better than seeing a guy who works for a living. And yes, that's what we call ourselves in the trenches. Dudes who go to work for a living and get, get some sh. And get the ball in his hands. I absolutely love it. No more respect for any coach's dad that'll put a cat like that and give him some payoff and some reward. It is a thing of beauty, as I'd like to say. It's glorious to watch for all involved man go online. Let's go. Make it happen, baby.
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Tony Kornheiser
As always, thank you, Jeff. Thanks so much.
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Mike Wilbon
Appreciate it.
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Jeff Saturday
Oh, appreciate it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Fellas, let's take one last break. But coming up, could star Oklahoma quarterback John Matier return in time for Saturday' big rivalry game against Texas and will.
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Mike Wilbon
The Blue Jays in the Yankees season tonight? Spoiler alert.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, I mean, you know, I know I understand how a coach wants to make amends and keep the locker room, but the guy let go of the ball, Mike. He let go of the ball before he went into the end zone.
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Mike Wilbon
They win. You can't do that unless your name is Ditka or what other head coach could have done that?
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Jeff Saturday
Pardon the interruption is presented by the refreshing taste of twisted tea hard iced tea. Please drink responsibly. Part of Happy hour Happy time people.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy 33rd birthday Mookie Betts Betts is now the Dodgers full time shortstop after playing right field in second base during his tenure in Los Angeles. When he was in Boston, Betts was a full time outfielder. Betts won the American league MVP for the Red sox and in 2018, then got traded inexplicably in what was reported to be a cost cutting move in 2020. How crazy was that? Betts is now part of a devastating top of the order for the Dodgers. Shohei Ohtani bets Freddie Freeman Betts has a World Series ring from Boston in 2018 and two from Los Angeles. 2020, 2024. He is also a terrific bowler, having bowled 300 games.
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Mike Wilbon
I wonder if Betts plays golf. I bet he's graded everything. How stupid is it now? The Red Sox have won so much. Maybe they think they're insulated from anything and they can do something as dumb as get rid of Mookie Bets. It's just. It's plain stupid. They keep winning so you get forgiven.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy Anniversary Drew Brees on this day 13 years ago, Brees broke Johnny Unitis NFL record for consecutive games with a touchdown pass. 48. Brees ran his total up to 54 games. Tom Brady got the closest to 52. The current active leader is Lamar Jackson with 28 consecutive games with a touchdown pass. Curiously missed games do not automatically end the touchdown passing streak. Breece had 571 career touchdown passes, and that is second all time to Brady who has 649. Peyton Manning is third. 539. Aaron Rodgers the active leader fourth all time. Five' eleven. Red Favre is next with 508.
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Mike Wilbon
How many games did Cal Ripken get to miss and say oh wait that one doesn't count, I'll pick it up next Sunday? Zero. How many Cal, I mean does Cal get to do that?
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Tony Kornheiser
Zero would be the correct answer.
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Mike Wilbon
Zero.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy trails to John Mateers absence for Oklahoma. The soonest quarterback is reportedly pushing to play. In Saturday's game against Texas, less than 3 broke a bone in his throwing hand in a win over Auburn. Mateer's been considered a leading candidate for the Heisman, but Oklahoma had a bye and then a romp over Kent State. So his absence has yet to hurt the sixth ranked Sooners in the win loss column.
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Mike Wilbon
Remember when the Oklahoma Texas game used to be like the third week?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, you could set your life by.
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Mike Wilbon
At the third week of the college football season. It was such a great game and you look forward to it so much and now, eh, just play it whenever. We'll see what happens.
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Tony Kornheiser
College football one update. One update for you. Mookie Betts is reportedly a 10 handicap.
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Mike Wilbon
See, there we have it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Why don't you play him? Just go play him. See how you do. Let's Go to the big fan.
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Mike Wilbon
Let's do it.
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Tony Kornheiser
The NFL will reportedly find Jerry Jones $250,000 for flipping off jets fans on Sunday. Okay by you?
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Mike Wilbon
I want this show. His will be okay by me. This show should be a Jerry Jones free zone and show sometime most of the week, if not all of it. Cooper Flagg scored 10 points in 14 minutes in his preseason debut against the Thunder. Were you impressed?
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Tony Kornheiser
It doesn't matter. Exhibition games, they just don't matter. When the regular season starts, wake me.
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Mike Wilbon
I'll watch.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Bucks and Knicks reportedly had trade talks involving Giannis this summer. Does that make sense?
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Mike Wilbon
Yes, it does make sense. I told you the other day, Giannis is going to be gone before the end of this season. Somewhere, I don't know where. And it won't be the Knicks pins at Rangers tonight. Are you excited about that? It's the regular season.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, because of Sidney Crosby. Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin and Chris Letang are now going to play for a 20th season together. Last one. Will the Blue Jays come close out the Yankees tonight?
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Mike Wilbon
No. I've been telling you this for two days. No. No. The Yankees are going to come back and win tonight. This series is going to get some drama to it. Count on it. Book it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Rodon is going tonight. We'll see if it works out. We're out of time. Trying to do better the next time. I'm Tony Cornheim.
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Jeff Saturday
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Mike Wilbon
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