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Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Lobantone. It's National Pink Flamingo Day. Do you like flamingos?
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I'm Tony Kornheiser. You know, with enough salt, I will eat anything.
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No, no, no, you don't. You can't eat them. Can't kill them and eat them. No. Why not? You know what it reminds me of? Pink Flamingo? It reminds me of the hotel in Vegas, you know, on the Strip, where there's the Flamingo Hotel and the whole logo is that pink flamingo. I can't get. I can't.
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So they're beautiful animals. They're beautiful birds. They really are. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Timberwolves trade away Julius Randle. The Wizards have a decision to make in tonight's draft, and Jay Bilis joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with a trade of Giannis Antetokounmpo from Milwaukee to Miami. The Bucs sent the former MVP and teammate Bobby Portis to the Heat for Tyler Herro, a couple of other players and a giant haul of number one draft picks, stretching all the way to 2033. Woban. How much better is Miami? Did Milwaukee get? Enough. And where does this leave Boston? Start wherever you want.
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All right, Tony. I'll start with Miami Heat. I mean, let's face it, that's where we're going to start because they get the big fish. They get Giannis, who's been an MVP in this league, who's been a champion in this league, and you get him and you put him in Heat culture, if he can exist there. I don't know that. Being the missing team flights and being three hours late, as he reportedly was in Milwaukee multiple times. I don't know that that works for Pat Riley and Eric Spolster, but nonetheless, we know that Giannis could play at one time, one point. I don't know if he can play anymore because he hasn't played when it matters for five years. He hadn't done squat. He's been hurt in the playoffs. Giannis is a rumor to me. Now you and I said at the end of yesterday's show, we don't want to bet against Pat Riley because we don't. Because we know that Pat Riley gets this right more often than just about anybody ever. And so Pat Riley and Eric Spoelstra see, and their staff, they see something here that says, okay, we can get for the next three years after this first year, something out of Giannis and pursue with, with bam. A championship. And maybe they can, Tony, but they got to get more players. Their roster is not full now, it is not set now, it's not ready to challenge now because they're missing too many things. I know it takes time, but they don't have any money. The Celtics seems to me with one sentence, they're going to have to deal Jaylen Brown. Because when you're a sensitive guy anyway, and now a team has dangled you out there, you didn't feel appreciated enough by them anyway, it seems like, eh, that's not going to work. And I think the Bucs got a nice little package in return for Giannis featuring Tyler Herron.
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Yeah. So I was watching television this morning and I saw that they flashed across the screen new odds for who's going to win the Eastern Conference.
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Yeah.
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And they had Miami third behind Boston and New York. They had them third. And I thought to myself, wait a second now, weren't they a play in team last year? Didn't they actually finish 10th last year and they just gave up 20 points a game in Tyler Herron to bring back a guy who, if all things are right, is a great player. But he, as you say, hasn't played much in recent years. Is Giannis Antetokounmpo a great player? He was a great player. I don't know if he is still a great player. And that's my position on that. My position on Milwaukee is different than yours a little bit. I think they got a pile. I really did. I mean, you have to remember this guy didn't want to be there anymore, no matter what he said publicly. So swearing himself to Milwaukee behind the scenes, his people were trying to get him extricated from Milwaukee. So Milwaukee, Milwaukee has a complete rebuild that's gonna take years. So if you start with two first round picks, 10 is 12, not second round picks 10 to 13. Yeah, good things. It's a deep draft. That's the way you do it. And briefly, I agree with you completely on Jaylen Brown, who's been dangled out there before. If his feathers are ruffled, maybe you just have to keep him out there and actually trade him. Because I will say this. I get it. I get why Boston would want Giannis. I mean, Giannis can make Boston a championship team right now. So. So we are aligned.
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We are lying. You've convinced me. You persuaded me on something. You're right. Milwaukee's got those two picks tonight. 10 and 12 or 10 and 13. My head is swimming with pick numbers. But with those two picks, Tony, and what else you got? Starting with Tally Hero, who's from Milwaukee. I mean, so just. This should play okay in Wisconsin. If Giannis doesn't want to be a cheese head, then move him out.
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Yeah, they just.
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We had another trade in the NBA last night. The Timberwolves sent Julius Randle to the Nets as part of a three team deal that also sent backup center Nick Claxton to my bulls. Randle went 217 and 5 for Minnesota last season, but he got punished by the spurs in the playoffs and now he's out. Tone, do you understand this trade?
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I understand it from this perspective. Minnesota hates Julius Randall. They just traded him for Nothing. Nothing. The 33rd pick in the draft. They picked up Julius Randall, carried him to the side of the boat, threw him overboard into the east river and said, float to Brooklyn. That's honestly what they did. They took Randall's salary, they gave it to that kid you like a lot, IO, and they gave him the money. And they said to Julius Randle, the best way you can help us is to get out of here. Let's look at his career. He comes out, he's a prolific scorer at Kentucky, right? Six foot nine. He goes to the Knicks, does pretty well. I think he may have made an All Star team once or twice at the Knicks, but the Knicks want Karl Anthony Towns. So they include Randle in the package, get him out of there. He goes to Minnesota, meanwhile, and this year, New York wins without him. And you could maybe say that one of the reasons was that they traded him away. Goes to Minnesota, gets to a conference final. But as you mentioned, this year in the playoffs, these numbers are alarming. 13 points a game, 34% from the field, 19% from three. So they just give them to Brooklyn. And you know what? He's now in exile. He's in exile.
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It is. He's taken the whole fall for that. He's taken the whole fall for the loss. I think it's a little bit unfair, but does it make sense? I get it. You and I talked about this. We sort of knew it was coming, but Tony here's the thing. You got ant man sitting there and you get rid of his wingman to whatever degree of effectiveness. They did get to a Western Conference final the previous year. You gotta go get somebody to help Anthony Edwards or he is gonna be looking with Google eyes at the Celtics and the Heat and other people too. He just. That's the way the NBA works now. So you gotta go get somebody. The pressure is on Minnesota's front office to get someone to help Anthony Edwards now like tonight.
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Yeah.
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And so I don't know if they can do that. But when you win, when the Knicks, when Karl Anthony Towns, who you had goes and he helps to a great degree, not a bit player, a primary player for the Knicks and helps them win, you're resentful. You are.
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So if you are Julius Randle right now, you have just been traded to a team that. That is three years away from being three years away.
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Yes.
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And the only good thing is if you kept your apartment that you had when you were with the Knicks. That's the only possible good thing in this. Let's stay with the NBA. Stay in the NBA and move to your Washington Wizards. Wilbourne, who earned the number one pick in the draft by deliberately losing as many games as they could over the last three years. Unlike last year, there doesn't appear to be a decisive number one choice. The consensus is it's either a AJ DeBance or Darren Peterson. There's also some long shot sentiment for Cameron Boozer Wilbon. If you were the Wizards, whom would you take?
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Debance up. And in full disclosure, you and I and our friend the socialites spent a long time discussing this last night. That's right, we did. Because this is a burning issue where we Live in Washington D.C. of course, it's a burning issue around the league too, because you can juggle the top of the order. But Tony, here's the thing. I know that a great number of teams, if not a great number, a number of teams have Darren Peterson ranked as the best player in the draft. Here's the issue. There's stuff I don't know if I'm the Wizards and I'm taking a big swing and this is the draft where you need to get well, you have some flexibility. You just signed Trae Young. You don't know what you're going to do with Anthony Davis. You got sar. You got stuff you can put in place. You want to make a run at getting into the playoffs next year. Darren Peterson, Really? Because I can tell you right now, Dabanta I've met Debanta, I've talked to him and his father at length. And Debance is a kid. I want. If I was just inviting kids to my house for dinner, I want Debancea and Caleb Wilson. Darren Peterson, eh, I don't know. There's stuff that teams don't know. So how can you take him above a guy you feel, you know, who's an athletic student in Debance? I couldn't do that.
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All right, so. Well, let me look at my notes for a second because it's hard for me to do this thing with the Wizards. I am amazed and fascinated by how many people look at this draft and think that the Wizards are going to be really good as a result of it. Because either one of these two are rated as can't misses. And of course, that's the number one pick. Two years ago, they got the number two pick in Alex Saar. They are involved in trying to sign Trae Young. Trae Young, all star to a four year extension. And they have Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis, NBA champion. People like you, because you've said this to me privately, think they could make the playoffs next year as a result of all these things. Okay? So I am not going to say anything about Anthony Davis until I see him walk onto a court in a uniform and, and not street clothes. Okay?
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That's fair.
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As far as, as far as Trae Young is concerned, his reputation has been burned lately. He led his team in assists and points for years, may have even led the league. But you know what happened when they traded him? They went 28 and 15 without him, and they were 18 and 21 with him. Sar, we don't know anything about Sar because every single game that he has played for the Washington Wizards, they have attempted to lose. And you have the number one pick. You know, maybe it's a can't miss, but if anybody can miss, it's been the Washington Wizards.
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Who would you take? You're Mr. Washington D.C. you're on the clock. Who you take it?
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I would take to Bansa. Me personally, I would take to Bansa. That doesn't mean I would be right. You know, they missed on Kwame Brown. You're gonna say that they got it right with John Wall. I'm not gonna agree with that. Cause ultimately his career was nothing like you expected it to be in the first couple of years. So I don't know. I don't know about Boozer. Mike Boozer averaged more points a game than debancer. I'm sorry, he had more threes and assists than debancer. He averaged more points than Peterson, and his rebounding was almost the equal of those two guys in total. Maybe he's the best player. I don't know. Let's take a break. Coming up, we will ask Jay Bilis to compare and contrast AJ Devance and Darren Peterson.
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We'll also ask him to break down the top stars from Duke and North Carolina. Billis can get involved in that Duke, North Carolina thing. Tony. It's a different time, though. Every, every draft ain't the same. This ain't the John Wall draft. This draft has got some, some heat at the top.
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Let's get back into tonight's NBA draft with our great friend ESPN college basketball analyst, the dashing draft expert, Jay Billis. Let's start with this. Jay, let's go to the top of the board. What do you see when you compare AJ Debanza to Darren Peterson?
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Well, first, I've never been a part of a draft like this one where you had people saying about multiple players, this guy could be the best player in the draft. When we look back at it and it's like six or seven guys that I've heard that said about and I think that's fair. But when you look at Peterson and DeBons, two players, and I would include Cameron Boozer in there as well, three players that are worthy of being the number one overall selection in this draft, Peterson from Kansas is the most talented Player, I mean he is a savant scoring the ball. And debona looks like he was made in a lab to play in the NBA. You know, he's six, eight seven foot wingspan. He's got a big time mid range game that he can use these long strides to get to his spots and rise up and make NBA level mid range shots right now. And he's, he's strong, gets to the foul line. I mean there's nothing not to like about the two players. I think the issue is Peterson had cramping issues throughout the season that limited him to 24 games and that put some doubt in your mind. But when those two played against each other, I called the game, I think it was in January, but they played against each other. And in the first half Peterson had 18 points on 6 of 8 from the field and three steals. There was no question at halftime who was the, who was the better player that day. It was Peterson and, but his cramping popped up in the second half and didn't play as much and DeBonso wound up with 17 points for the game. They're both great players and great prospects. I think that, that I prefer Peterson because of the talent level, but I would not argue with anyone who says they prefer debonso.
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Jay, let's go to another either or apparently Cam Boozer and Caleb Wilson, Duke in North Carolina. I'm on pins and needles about getting one of those guys, but what do you see when you compare those two?
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I think Cameron Boozer is the best pure basketball player in this draft. And one of the reasons is, look, his productivity is undeniable. He averaged like 23 points and over 10 rebounds a game. He shot right at 40% from three with a high volume for his position. And he's a high level rebounder and he's a great passer. But what sets him apart is his processing skills. A lot of guys understand the game, but he processes it in real time at an elite level. Caleb Wilson is a little bit different. Like he's a, he's a young colt that is in my view the most dynamic athlete in this draft. And Cameron Carr from Baylor could make a similar claim. There are other guys who are great athletes in that, in that realm, but Caleb Wilson has this explosive nature to his game that he does things instinctively. So there are times on defense where you say you could stop the film and go, look, he's out of position, he doesn't have good vision on the ball, he's not where he's supposed to be. And do all this coach stuff and then he makes a play anyway because he's just so athletic and so instinctive and so good. And as he gets better technique and learns more and he will. He's one of the guys that I've heard a lot of people say he could wind up being the best player in this draft. But you say the same thing about Darius Acuff Jr. Of Arkansas. There are a number of players that you could say that about.
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Jay, that leads me perfectly into the next question. Outside those top four, which we just discussed in detail, who do you see that you really like? Going from, who knows, 4 to 12 or beyond?
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There are a bunch of guys. So I think Darius Acuff Jr. Of Arkansas is probably the best scorer in this draft. He averaged 23 a game and averaged over six and a half assists. He led the SEC in scoring and assists. First time that's happened since Pete Maravich did it back at lsu. And that's been a minute. And there have been a lot of great players in that league that have gone into great NBA success. But I'll give you one other name that I really like, that I don't know where he's going to go. My guess is it's going to be anywhere from. From 9 to to 12 or something like that. And that's more as Johnson Jr. Of Michigan. He's 6, 8, he's got a 73 wingspan. He's a defensive weapon. He can switch out on a point guard and not just stay in front for a couple of dribbles. He can guard the guy and take the ball from him. He's a lob threat. He's a great athlete, powerful, and I think his growth is going to be amazing at the next level. But he's got a couple of teammates, Adai, Mara and Yakslendeborg that are going to go in that area of the draft as well. So it's going to be a good night for the Wolverines.
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This is great. Thank you, Jay. Thank you, Jay.
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Appreciate it. Have a great night
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always. Thank you, guys.
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The draft Telecast starts at 7pm Eastern on ESPN. Let's take one last break. But still to come, some huge performances at the World cup by guys not named Messi.
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And Brendan Sorsby hits a dead end to his quest to play in the NFL this season. Tony Morris, Johnson Jr. The Michigan kid St. Rita, Chicago Catholic League I'd like to have another Chicago kid on the Bulls roster. I could do that with our second pick.
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That's fine with me. I'm more interested in Sorsby. I think that's a pretty good story.
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That's crazy, isn't it? Are all batteries the same?
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That's like asking if all soccer players are the same.
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Take Messi, the most decorated player ever.
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Is there any other player who has achieved that?
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No, just him. Now take Duracell. Is there any other battery with powerboost ingredients inside? No, just Duracell. Remember, goats only trust goats because they're built different. And Messi only trusts Duracell.
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Happy time, people. Happy belated 55th birthday Kurt Warner this was yesterday. Warner won a Super bowl with the St. Louis Rams when they were the greatest show on turf. Warner was Super Bowl MVP after the Rams beat Tennessee 23 16, when Kevin Dyson was stopped one yard short of the goal line and time ran out. Ironically, Dyson is 51 years old today. In that game, Warner was 24 of 45, 414 yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions. Warner's backstory as quarterback of the Arena League Iowa Barnstormers is well known. Warner made one more super bowl with the Rams, then made another with the Cardinals. He's in the hall of Fame and broadcasts on Westwood One Radio and the NFL Network.
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And he is great on television, by the way. Tony, if John Starks doesn't go 2 for 18 in Game 7, I'm just saying they would have sort of the same backstory, certainly similar backstories. John Star Starks working in a similar capacity makes it all the way that far from a championship. Would have joined today's birthday honoree.
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Happy anniversary. Happy anniversary. John Isner and Nicholas Mahout on this day 16 years ago, in a first round match at Wimbledon, the two broke the record for the longest tennis match ever. The match began on June 22nd. The record was broken on June 23rd, and the match extended into June 20th, 24th, before Isner won. In total, the match took 11 hours and 5 minutes on its own. The final set's time of 8 hours and 11 minutes would have set the record for the longest match ever. The final score was 643-66-7776, 70 to 68, for a total of 183 games. In those days, there was no fifth set tiebreaker for men. Now there is. So this is likely to remain the longest match ever.
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I'VE been to some impossibly long contests before. Remember that crazy game the Capitals were involved in? 4 overtimes into eastern morning, Easter morning, you and I were there. I am so glad I was not in attendance at that.
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Yeah, it's too long. No, that tennis match is too long. Happy trails to the men's College World Series for North Carolina. The fifth seeded Tar Heels got stomped by unseeded Oklahoma in the deciding game three between the two teams. 13 2. The Sooner's number nine hitter, Kyle Branch, came into the game just 1 for 16 in the tournament, but had two singles, a home run and six RBI. Oklahoma was such a long shot to win this thing, losing seven of its last 10 regular season games, getting knocked out of the SEC tournament in the first round and facing elimination three times in its regional. It is the seventh straight men's baseball title for the SEC.
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That's great. Was I. Was I too hard on Darren Peterson? Maybe if I met him, talk to him. I'd like him, too. Maybe. I don't know.
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Maybe.
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Maybe.
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Well, you like everybody that you. Actually, I like everybody. Let's go to the big finish.
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Let's do it.
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Kylian Mbappe, Erling Haaland and Cristiano Ronaldo all scored twice in the last 25 hours. What's the most significant Ronaldo?
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People were digging his grave. What do you did? Ronaldo. Man, I'm glad to see him come up huge. Could have had a hat trick. Came close. NFL told Brendan Sorsby it will not hold a supplemental draft for him. What does that mean?
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I'm stunned. I thought they were going to do it. They don't do it every year. It means he's going to have to wait till 2027. NFL Draft, PGA Tour will have championship and challenger series with promotion and relegation starting in 2028. You like it?
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My first reaction is it's nonsense. I don't even understand it. No, I don't like it. In the NHL, the Oilers hired Mike Babcock as their new head coach. And in the NBA, the Blazers hired Mike Annore for one season. What's the bigger deal?
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Yeah, well, going to the Oilers, they have a chance to win the NHL Stanley Cup.
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Of course.
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Last one. Brady Tkachuk says he and his brother won't have first initials on their Panthers jersey, just their last name. Is that okay by you?
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If anybody's living and breathing in the commissioner's office of the NHL, they'll decide that. Not the Kachuk brothers, who really are annoying me to some degree.
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We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornhouse.
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And I'm Mike Wilbon. Back on the mothership tomorrow, Knuckleheads. Enjoy the Draft.
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