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Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. There's a nude bowling tournament. Nude. In Pittsburgh Saturday. Tony, would you ever bowl in the nude?
Unknown
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Mike Wilbon
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Unknown
Well, you're the bowler. Between the two of us, you know more about bowling. If you don't know nude bowling, I'm staying out of this. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Cooper flag debuts in summer league. The Dodgers have lost sixth straight and Lionel Messi is putting up big numbers for Inter Miami. But we begin today as we have all this week with compelling action from Wimbledon. The first women's semifinal between top seed Irina Sabalenka and the 13th seed American Amanda Anisimova was spectacular. Three sets each, 16 4. Anisimova won the first in the third and at one point in the third set peeled off four games in a row. In the second semifinal, Iga Witek steamrolled Belinda Bencic 6260 in 71 minutes. Wilbot, what do you think of who won and the finals matchup?
Mike Wilbon
Well, Tom, there wasn't much in the second match that you just mentioned. A six love score.
Unknown
That's right.
Mike Wilbon
Finishing that off. But the first one, I mean, Anisanova and Sabalenka had the drama, the tension. It seems like you could easily line up behind one or the other. I certainly did and have done that during this tournament. And I found myself at triple match point. Even Sabalenka can work herself into such a state when she's behind and just rip off winners. That even down triple match point. I was like, oh my gosh, she's going to extend this thing because at one point she had to do that in the second set to get the second set. So it just had everything tone. And I. I don't know about projecting to the final. I didn't have much interest in that. I was pretty absorbed in that first match and I felt like I was tired, like I had played some points by the time it was over. Because I don't know how you could be entertained. More entertained than that.
Unknown
We agree right down the line, we're not going to talk about the Witek match. It was not a compelling match. And the Sabalenka match was absolutely fabulous. I mean, I'm watching this thing, I thought when they get to the third set and Sabalenka breaks in the first game, I say to myself, okay, she's going to cruise now. Ana Samova can't stay with her now. And then Anisimova wins four in a row. She breaks right back, wins four in a row, including another break game. And so I say to myself, okay, this one is over. Because what I watched then, Sabalenka was wild with a lot of shots. She was committing unforced errors. And I thought, okay, she's done. But she breaks back to 4, 5, and she gets served at 4, 5. And I think, you know what it's just like against Raducanu. She's going to win this thing. She's a champion. She's going to win. But she couldn't close this time. There was, as you say, triple match point, and Sabalenka got two, but she did not get the third. I just thought it was an absolutely riveting set. I'm really glad I watched it. I'm okay if Witek wins because she's already won a lot on clay, she's won on hardcourt, if she wins on grass, she's won on all surfaces. And then there is greatness in that. But I'm rooting for Anisimova and I'm rooting for her because this is someone. And I'm grateful to Patrick McEnroe for mentioning her when he was on the show. She was. That said, he was keeping his eye on her. She was ranked 189th last year. She don't five years ago last year, she was. She was going through a period where she didn't like tennis, so she seemed to like it today. So I'm going to root for her. Because you know what, Mike? If she wins, that's three American women in a row winning majors. That's Madison Keys. That's Coco Gauffin. That's, you know, Ana Samova.
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I just Hope that the final gives us something as riveting as that first semi. And it may not turn out that way, but I hope it does. Let's move to the men's semis which take place tomorrow morning. Fifth seeded Taylor Fritz takes on two time defending champ Carlos Alcaraz in the first match. And in the second, 38 year old Novak Djokovic faces world number one Jannik Center Tone. Which would be the bigger upset? Fritz over Alcaraz over or Joker over center?
Unknown
This to me is not even close. The bigger upset is if Taylor Fritz beats Alcaraz. I know Taylor Fritz is the five seed and I know Djokovic is the sixth and I know doing the numbers that the disparity is Greater if a 6 beats a 1 than if a 5 beats a 2. I can do that math. But come on. Which of these four people does not belong in this group? It's Taylor Fritz. All the other guys have multiple majors. They are big stage, bright lights, tennis player. If Taylor Fritz were to win this, it would be the greatest win of his career. He would beat the defending champion. He would go to the finals at Wimbledon. I don't think that's going to happen, but I understand what's at stake. I also think it's an upset if Djokovic beats Sinner. I mean Djokovic didn't even practice today. I read, you know, he fell the other day and maybe he's taking some time off. But it would be an upset because Sinner just beat him in the semis in France. And, and Sinner, I think we decided yesterday has beaten him four straight times. But Mike, this is Novak Djokovic. He has won more majors than any other man of all time. This guy can smell the finish line and neither of us is going to be surprised if he wills himself into winning.
Mike Wilbon
This one upset doesn't even begin to. It wouldn't even surprise me if Djokovic beats center. Not surprise me at all. Not even at 38, not having fallen down, not having practice. When I heard he didn't practice, I went into Allen Iverson mode. Practice, practice. No, Joker needs practice. No, he doesn't need practice. He needs to be in a frame of mind which he seems to be able to get himself into as often as any male tennis player ever when it comes to getting deep in these, in the biggest and best tennis tournaments. So it wouldn't be an upset. Taylor Fritz would be an upset. Even though Fritz, you know, was in the finals of the US Open less than a year ago and Fritz is On the come I it's still going to be an upset. We're talking two time defending champ and since struggling in that first match, Alcaraz only lost two sets. So Alcaraz has really gotten himself together. I know he hasn't been tested, hasn't played, you know, a top flight player recently, but when he's on a roll, Tony, I don't know that it matters.
Unknown
I'll just say this Mike, that the correct final would be one against two. It would be Sinner and Alcaraz. I mean they are the best players in the world and it is visible that they are the best players in the world. But I'll bet you more people would rather see Djokovic, Alcaraz. I'll bet you on that. I'll bet you. Let's go to baseball where the Los Angeles Dodgers were swept last night by the Milwaukee brewers on a walk off single by Jackson churio in the 10th inning. This is the first time the brewers have ever swept the Dodgers in Milwaukee and this was the Dodgers sixth loss in a row. That's the first time the Dodgers have lost that many in a row since 2019. We'll buy on the Dodgers losing streak. Big deal. Little deal, no deal.
Mike Wilbon
It's between little deal and no deal, Tony. Because everything is relative in sports which people forget and they want to cite stats and say this is the first time ever and he's the youngest ever. He's the oldest ever. The Dodgers are going through something that every team in the National League so far, maybe except my Cubs, and I'm worried they're going to go through. It has either gone through recently or is going through now. The Phillies just went through this. The Mets have gone through it. We talk about every week somebody particularly even in the American League, the Yankees went through it. The Astros did it early. They haven't done it lately. But we, we, we're seeing this they go through where they lose six out of seven or eight out of 11 or five in a row. This is the nature of baseball and particularly right now in the National League. So do I expect the Dodgers to live in that forever, to dwell in it? No, I don't. The Giants have been through it. We've already seen that. The Padres have been through it. So it's the Dodgers turn. Does it surprise me they've lost these six in a row and got swept by Milwaukee for the first time ever in Milwaukee, right? Yeah, it surprises me. But it's not a big deal. It's just not right.
Unknown
I don't Think it's no deal. I agree mostly with what you're saying. I don't think it's no deal. I would point out that the teams that are beating the Dodgers at the moment, the Astros and the brewers, are good teams. They're playoff teams. It's not like the Dodgers have lost to the Colorado Rockies and, and the Chicago White Sox. You know that that didn't happen. But it is six in a row, and that is of concern particularly to a first place team. I should, I should say it's mitigated a little bit by the fact that the dodgers, before losing six in a row, won nine out of 10. Although I concede that was against the underbelly of the league. That was the aforementioned Colorado Rockets and Chicago White Sox and my Washington Nationals, who are stumbling and struggling at the moment. I agree with you that the teams go through this. If I was concerned, I'd be concerned about the run differential in these six games, Mike, because the run differential is 34. It's, you know, I mean, the run differential is a lot. Here are the scores of the games. Oh, stop with this bell while I hit my notes, because this is important. 18, 1 6, 451 9, 1 3, 13 2. So four of the games, Mike, the Dodgers only got one run. And this is a team with, you know, with Ohtani and with Freeman and with Betts and Tiasco, Hernandez and the.
Mike Wilbon
Catcher, they're not hitting right now.
Unknown
They're not. They're not. If you take Hernandez and Betts and Freeman and Ohtani for the last six weeks, they're hitting.225. So that is of a concern to me. That is. But it's 162. Let's take a break. Coming up, Cooper Flagg makes his summer league debut tonight. What is the word for that?
Mike Wilbon
And what's the best way to describe the goal scoring tear that Lionel Messi has been on?
Unknown
I would really have pitched games.
Mike Wilbon
The Dodgers wasted four well pitched games in a row.
Unknown
Four games out of six where they only scored one run. That's very surprising with that lineup. Muncie's lineup. Muncie's out.
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Unknown
Time to flex some lexicon on what's the word? What's first.
Tony Kornheiser
Cooper Flag Summer league debut tonight will be blank.
Unknown
My word is overstated. I'm taking one of your words, Wilbon. Overstated and also overpriced. There's a report that courtside seats are going for $3,000 for this game for a meaningless summer league exhibition game contested mainly by people not good enough to ever play in the NBA. In this particular case, it's Dallas and the Lakers. And so you know you get last year in the summer leagues curiosity and Bronny James. This to me is a product of the hype machine. I don't think there's anything short of breaking his leg that Cooper Flair can do in this game that will have any meaning whatsoever in his NBA career. And having said that, I am convinced that get up and first take will lead with this this morning and tomorrow morning.
Mike Wilbon
I don't Know what? They'll be on with Wimbledon. But anyway, Tony, I'm going to disagree with you a little. It is overstated. But it's also worthwhile. And that's my word, worthwhile. Just because I want to see Cooper Flag. I'm going to watch. I'm going to Watch it live. 5:00 out here in the desert, in the west. I want to see what Cooper Flag looks like. I want to see how he moves, how much is he going to have the ball? You're right, Tony. Only let's say 6 of the people on the court, max. If we go over under, how many of them will play meaningful games in the NBA at some point in their lives? Maybe seven, but that's about it. And by the way, Tony, real games and maybe playoff games, you're talking about maybe three or four.
Unknown
Yeah.
Mike Wilbon
So could be two. Two people on each side. But I want to see Cooper Flack. He's the novelty. He's the curiosity. He's why you and I think that the NBA would go as far as fixing the lottery. If you're going to fix a lottery for a guy, then damn it, I want to see him in summer league. I want to see him.
Unknown
I'm gonna see meaningless exhibition nonsense. You got nothing but nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. What's next?
Tony Kornheiser
Lionel Messi has scored two goals in four straight MLS games. That's blank.
Unknown
That's indicative. Indicative of what you ask? Indicative of the huge gap between the MLS and Real soccer. You will remember 10 or 12 days ago, Inter, Miami and Messi played against Paris Saint Germain in the Club World cup. And they got their doors blown off 4 nothing at halftime. And then they come back to the very comfortable land of the MLS. And before that game, they won games 51 and 4 2. And after that game they won it 41 and 2 1. And what? All that goes to show is that Lionel Messi is indeed the great draw in American soccer. And he is worth the money. He's worth Cooper Flag seat money. He's that good. And his teammates here, you know, who were, according to the Zlatan, they were carrying bags of cement when they played against psg. Now they somehow look lighter than they are in the mls.
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, Tony, I mean, I'm not going to go as far as to say that the MLS is sort of nothing, but my word is inflated. I mean, the four goals in the MLS are nice. But then when he got to the international stage with Club World cup, there was one goal. And so then we get some perspective on the value of a goal. The value of a goal in mls, the value of a goal against the world's best club teams. And so I don't, I don't. You know, I get that Messi can still do this on one level, but that step up is a little bit difficult to navigate. So inflated. And this is what, you know, people aren't going to want to hear that the messy brigade, the messy sycophants, they're coming after you and me, even though you're in your white coat. Too bad. Inflated.
Unknown
I'm in my white doctor coat, but underneath, I have the heart of a pink shirt. That's the final word. Let's take one last break. Still to come, Deion Sanders supports a college football salary cap.
Mike Wilbon
And did Giannis just indicate where he wants to play this coming season?
Unknown
I don't know. I mean, the Paris St. Germain game. There's a lesson in that for the MLS teams, it is.
Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
Unknown
D.C. united fired its coach today. They fire a coach every year. Every year they fire somebody. Yeah, pretty good.
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Unknown
Happy time, people. Happy 65th birthday. Roger Craig, the Hall of Fame running back for the San Francisco 49ers, tends to get overshadowed by Joe Montana and Jerry Rice, as does everyone on those 49ers, honestly. Craig had been a second round draft choice out of Nebraska in 1983. He ended up with three Super bowl rings and four Pro bowl appearances. Craig was the first player in the NFL to have 1,000 yards rushing and 1,000 yards receiving in the same season. Since then, Marshall Faulk and Christian McCaffrey have accomplished that. Craig's 566 pass receptions ranked ninth all time for a running back. Craig ended his career with 8,189 yards from rushing, 4,911 yards receiving and 88 total touchdowns.
Mike Wilbon
Craig largely predated fantasy football. Tony, people have gone nuts. I mean, but in real life, he ran so hard. He and Rathman back there and you think of, yes, Montana to Rice and Young to Rice and. But they ran the ball so effectively, which gets overlooked. And Roger, correct, Craig was the primary reason why they could run it down your throat. And they did.
Unknown
And you know what that means, Mike. They were a great team and a dynasty legitimately. Truly. Happy anniversary. Fernando Valenzuela and Dwight Gooden. This is posthumous for Valenzuela, but On this day, 41 years ago, the two pitchers combined to strike out an All Star Game record six consecutive history hitters. Valenzuela pitched the the fourth, and he struck out Dave Winfield, Reggie Jackson and George Brett. Wow. Let me repeat that.
Mike Wilbon
Wow.
Unknown
Then Gooden, who was the youngest All Star ever at age 19, struck out Lance Parish, Chet Lemon and Alvin Davis in the fifth on the way to a 31 National League win. All this happened on the 50th anniversary of the great Carl Hubbell in the 1934 All Star game, striking out five future hall of Famers in a row. Write these names down. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jimmy Foxx, Al Simmons, Joe Cronin. Murderer's row.
Mike Wilbon
Well, if that was 1934, it had to be the second All Star game ever. All Star Game, I think was born in 1933 in my hometown. But Tony, when you talk about Valenzuela and Gooden again, this is why I got so excited the other night over a Starting pitching matchup. We don't have them. Gooden and Valenzuela, I know they didn't oppose each other, but they followed each other. They were stacked. We can't even dream about that kind of stuff anymore.
Unknown
I don't think there's ever been anything like Hubble, though. I mean, once you start with Ruth and Jones, nothing like that. A melancholy trail is. Frank Layden. The longtime Utah jazz coach and GM has passed away at the age of 93. Layton was hired as GM of the Jazz when the team was still in New Orleans, then added head coaching responsibilities for seven and a half seasons after the team moved to Salt Lake City. He won the NBA's Coach and Executive of the Year awards in 1984. And that's before he drafted John Stockton and Karl Malone. Eventually, Layden appointed Jerry Sloan as head coach but stayed on as GM and team president. Layden was a very popular guy, both competent and not a jerk. And he was college roommates at Niagara with Eub Brown and Tony.
Mike Wilbon
He was so engaging to be around when you go to Salt Lake. And I don't know that you could have more opposites, greater opposites, right, than Jerry Sloan and Frank Layden in terms of their demeanor and how they went about it. But they were quite a 1, 2 combination and it's just difficult to believe that they're both now gone.
Unknown
I will say this about Frank Layden. He was one of those people when you were a sports writer, you enjoyed talking to him. It was not confrontational. He was very beginning with it and he was a very funny guy. We're running out of show. Let's go to the big finish.
Mike Wilbon
Let's do it.
Unknown
Prompter Ray Slugger Jr. Caminero has joined the Home Run Derby. I'll bet you're excited.
Mike Wilbon
No, I mean, the Home Run Derby's like the dunk contest to me. It's over. I did it. Jumped the shark.
Unknown
Oh, I like it.
Mike Wilbon
I don't care.
Unknown
Really?
Mike Wilbon
I don't care.
Unknown
I like it.
Mike Wilbon
I like Ronald Acuna Jr. Broke out of a slump with two home runs in a win over the A's last night. You impressed?
Unknown
I didn't even know he was in a slump. I thought he was batting like 380. So I thought he came back to the league and just was killing it. The Thunder signed Jalen Williams to a five year rookie max of up to $287 million. Your thoughts?
Mike Wilbon
J Dub, SGA and Chet have just signed for $822 million. Just the three of them. Tony Deion Sanders says he supports a college football salary cap. I bet you're surprised by that.
Unknown
I'm not even surprised at all. He was a pro football player. He understands money. He understands the cap. He knows it can be applied to have a certain amount of fairness. I'm not surprised. Last one Giannis told Livestreamer ishowspeed that'll probably stay in Milwaukee. Do you believe that?
Mike Wilbon
Today I do. But stuff happens. We got a long way to go before the start of the season, much less the trade deadline.
Unknown
I know, but you're gonna be occupied with summer league tonight. We're out of time. Try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Bobon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads. I'm gonna miss the snacks.
Tony Kornheiser
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PTI Episode Summary: "How Big a Deal is Dodgers' 6-Game Losing Streak?" Released on July 10, 2025 | Hosts: Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon
In this engaging episode of PTI, Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon delve into a variety of hot topics spanning tennis, baseball, basketball, and soccer. From thrilling Wimbledon matches to the Los Angeles Dodgers' recent slump, the hosts provide in-depth analysis, memorable insights, and spirited debates. Below is a detailed breakdown of the episode's key discussions.
Timestamp: 01:03 - 04:39
The episode kicks off with a comprehensive review of the week's Wimbledon action. The hosts discuss the intense women's semifinals, highlighting the clash between top seed Irina Sabalenka and 13th seed American Amanda Anisimova.
Michael Wilbon shares his enthusiasm:
"I found myself at triple match point... It just had everything."
(02:55)
Tony Kornheiser echoes the excitement, emphasizing the unpredictability of the match:
"Sabalenka was committing unforced errors... it was absolutely riveting."
(04:39)
The conversation shifts to the second semifinal where Iga Witek convincingly defeated Belinda Bencic with a score of 6-2, 6-0. The hosts express a preference for Anisimova, celebrating the rise of American women in tennis.
Timestamp: 04:39 - 08:15
The discussion moves to the upcoming men's semifinals featuring fifth-seeded Taylor Fritz versus two-time defending champion Carlos Alcaraz, and 38-year-old Novak Djokovic facing world number one Jannik Sinner.
Tony Kornheiser prioritizes the potential upset of Fritz over Alcaraz, stating:
"If Taylor Fritz were to win, it would be the greatest win of his career."
(05:13)
Michael Wilbon emphasizes Djokovic's reliability:
"Novak Djokovic has won more majors than any other man of all time... he's going to win."
(06:25)
The hosts agree that while Fritz beating Alcaraz would be a significant upset, Djokovic is likely to secure his spot in the finals.
Timestamp: 07:35 - 11:10
Shifting focus to baseball, Tony and Mike analyze the Dodgers' recent performance slump, marked by six consecutive losses—their longest since 2019.
Michael Wilbon assesses the situation:
"Everything is relative in sports... but it's not a big deal."
(08:15)
Tony Kornheiser counters by highlighting the quality of the teams defeating the Dodgers:
"The Astros and the Brewers are good playoff teams. This is of concern."
(09:30)
They discuss the Dodgers' run differential over the six games, noting a significant negative impact despite their star-studded lineup. The conversation underscores that while the Dodgers are experiencing a rough patch, it's part of the ebb and flow in baseball.
Timestamp: 13:41 - 15:23
The hosts transition to basketball, discussing Cooper Flagg's debut in the summer league.
Tony Kornheiser criticizes the hype:
"It's meaningless summer league exhibition... nothing short of breaking his leg will make it meaningful."
(13:50)
Michael Wilbon remains optimistic, expressing personal interest in watching Flag's performance:
"I'm going to watch it live. I want to see what Cooper Flag looks like."
(15:23)
They debate the value of summer league games, balancing skepticism with genuine curiosity about emerging talent.
Timestamp: 15:51 - 17:47
The conversation shifts to soccer, focusing on Lionel Messi's impressive form with Inter Miami, scoring two goals in four straight MLS games.
Tony Kornheiser praises Messi's impact:
"Lionel Messi is indeed the great draw in American soccer. He's worth the money."
(16:00)
Michael Wilbon offers a more tempered view:
"The value of a goal in MLS... inflated."
(16:00)
They discuss Messi's influence on the league's popularity and the disparity between MLS performance and international competitions, acknowledging his exceptional talent while questioning the overall competitiveness of the league.
Timestamp: 20:14 - 23:34
In a poignant segment, Tony and Mike honor notable sports figures and milestones:
Roger Craig's 65th Birthday: The hosts celebrate his achievements with the San Francisco 49ers, highlighting his dual-threat capability as a running back and receiver.
Valenzuela and Gooden's Historic All-Star Performance: They recall the remarkable feat of striking out six consecutive hitters, comparing it to Carl Hubbell's legend from 1934.
Frank Layden's Passing: The hosts pay tribute to the longtime Utah Jazz coach and GM, reflecting on his contributions and beloved personality within the basketball community.
Michael Wilbon reflects on Frank Layden:
"He was so engaging to be around... a very funny guy."
(23:57)
Timestamp: 24:09 - 25:36
Wrapping up the episode, Tony and Mike discuss current MLB happenings:
Home Run Derby: They compare it to the NBA's dunk contest, debating its relevance and excitement factor.
Player Performances: Highlighting Ronald Acuna Jr.'s resurgence with two home runs in a recent game.
NBA Roster Moves: Mentioning Jalen Williams' substantial rookie contract with the Thunder and Deion Sanders' support for a college football salary cap.
Tony Kornheiser humorously dismisses the Derby:
"It's over. I did it. Jumped the shark."
(24:16)
Michael Wilbon counters with interest:
"I like Ronald Acuna Jr. Broke out of a slump with two home runs."
(24:31)
Timestamp: 25:24 - 25:36
As the episode concludes, the hosts tease upcoming topics and sign off with their usual banter:
Tony Kornheiser:
"I'm Tony Kornheiser."
(25:30)
Michael Wilbon:
"I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads. I'm gonna miss the snacks."
(25:31)
This episode of PTI offers a rich tapestry of sports insights, from the high-stakes drama of Wimbledon to the challenges faced by the Dodgers, all delivered with the hosts' signature wit and expertise. Whether you're a tennis enthusiast, a baseball fan, or someone who enjoys multifaceted sports discussions, this episode provides valuable takeaways and memorable moments.