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Pablo Torre
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Pablo Torre. Tony. I am told it is National Fossil Day.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tony Kornheiser, Shout out to me. I'm a fossil and I'm a Muppet. Yeah, that's wonderful. I'm happy about that.
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Pablo Torre
We're doing some sports talk. Paleontology with you.
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Tony Kornheiser
You know paleontology? Yeah, you know, that's next. Doctorate in paleontology. Just give it to me because I am actually a paleontology co. If there is such a word. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. Wilbon has a day off. I am joined by our great friend, the host of the podcast, Pablo Torre finds out. Mr. Pablo Torre. And we begin today with the Dodgers Getting a complete Game 3 hitter from Yoshinobu Yamamoto last night to beat the Brewers 51 and take a 20 lead in the NLCA. Yamamoto gave up a first pitch home run to Jackson Churio and then just two more singles in the next eight innings. The brewers never had a single runner in scoring position. Pablo, what do you think of what the Dodgers are doing and how they are doing it?
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Pablo Torre
Tony, we begin by joking about how old you are. But this first topic makes me feel like I'm watching my childhood. We're getting complete games in the playoffs. We have a hoss. We have a series full of hosses of aces, of guys who will do the thing that we haven't seen since, I believe Justin Verlander In 2017, throw a complete game in the playoffs. Complete game to go back to. I believe the last time this happened with two starters this good over eight innings, we're going back to 83, I believe 1983. It's a delight. I was told that baseball didn't that in fact the thing that had gone extinct, gone the way of the dinosaur, was this type of person. And so I wanna make fun of the Dodgers for having Japan as their farm system. That's why Yamamoto is this way. But they got a staff full of these guys. Glasnow coming up can do exactly this too.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I wanna go backwards first. I wanna go backwards. Do you remember when the Seattle kid in Game 1 against Toronto, the first pitch he threw and George Springer, boom, parked it in the seats. And you looked at that game and you said, oh, whoa, Toronto is gonna do to Seattle what Toronto did to the Yankees. 34 runs in four games. And that did not happen. It did not happen. So last night is deja vu all over again, as Yogi would say, because it's a first pitch home run and then after that there is nothing, you know, they don't. Milwaukee doesn't get anything after that. The Dodgers starters have now gone in this series 17 innings, given up four hits.
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Pablo Torre
Crazy.
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Tony Kornheiser
And struck out 17. You know, as you say, you hadn't seen a complete game like this, you know, in eight years. The Dodgers starters era right now is 154. They're built for this. I understand Milwaukee beat them in the regular season. 6 Nothing. I understand in the regular season Milwaukee had the most wins, 97. This is not the regular season. The Dodgers are built for this. They understand that they don't really have relievers. So they say to the starters, keep going. You know what else, Pablo? They've become something we haven't seen in I don't know when a likable rich team because they spend money on the right people in the right way. They collect active people, not old people who are past their prime. They know what they're doing.
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Pablo Torre
Well. Well, I'll leave the obvious joke here aside that you just alley ooped to me. I will merely comment that the Dodgers are doing the thing that when I was growing up, the Yankees are the last team that I saw do right now. Especially impressive is the fact that the postseason, as you know, Tony, as a huge baseball fan, is a roulette wheel. How do you through let wheel from spinning wildly out of control. You use your arms. The arms. The Dodgers have, have wrested control of chaos in a time of, you know, relief starters. It's just a crazy time in baseball. They bring us back to a time resembling sanity and likability, despite the expense. But you mentioned, I suppose the ALCS that resumes tonight in Seattle and the Mariners of course won both games in Toronto. Mariners have never been to a World Series, Tony. We know that. They're up 20 now with the next two at home. So does this accomplishment making the World Series feel inevitable to you?
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Tony Kornheiser
Not. Not inevitable. There is a small window that you can look through. There have been three teams in a seven game playoff series that have lost the first two at home and still gone on to win three teams out of the 28 that that occurred to since 1914. And it's World Series teams because there never used to be an LCS. So there's the 85 Royals, the 86 Mets, there's the 96 Yankees. But so far Seattle has been decisively better than Toronto. I have some numbers here that I think are pretty good. They've outscored the Blue Jays 13 4. They've out homered the Blue Jays 4 2. They've out hit the Blue Jays 178 and the best Blue Jay player, Vlad Guerrero Jr. Is 0 for 7. So maybe he shouldn't have taken so much delight in saying the yay Yankees lose him and Big Papi yucking it up. Maybe that doesn't feel good now because their team now has a batting average of.131 in this series.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, the Mariners to me are the most conventionally likable team available to us. He talked about the Dodgers being shockingly likable because of all of their payroll. The Mariners have all of the makings of the true underdog. And the only problem that keeps me from inevitability. And to me, of course, there are three, really just three things that are inevitable in life. It is death, taxes, and Mike Wilbon taking off Random Wednesday as a PTI in the fall. Short of that. Short of that. Yeah, it's hard. I mean, look, I watched the Yankees lose to the Red Sox with a giant lead. Tony, like I've seen three one leads get blown. I've seen things. This is a, it's a closer series than I think the outcomes have suggested. And I just caution that if there is a burial ground that is cursing this Mariners team, it's not quite over yet. That's the, the bar for inevitability.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, it's. It's not quite over. I will say this. I had occasion to be in Seattle for football games where the crowds were. It's the loudest outdoor crowd I'd ever heard. And I expect sort of the same from baseball. I mean, they all know they haven't been to the World Series. They're all going to try and help. Let's jump into college football here. The story of the season off the field so far has been the firing of coaches. James Franklin is one of seven coaches fired from a big program before the halfway point in the season. The biggest story on the field so far is Indiana, they're 60 and coming out of a huge road win over number three, Oregon. Indiana coach Kurt Signetti is the hot name. Now. Pablo, do you think he's more likely to stay at Indiana or leave for an historically bigger program?
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Pablo Torre
I think he's going to stay and I think it's the right move to stay. And I would not have said this five years ago. College football is different. We know this. We are frustrated by it because the influx of money in a fake free market has changed things. But the point is Indiana, which gets those Big Ten checks, they also are spending like they're an SEC school. They got a president who the stop before last was at Georgia. They have a staff in terms of the assistance and expenditures, Tony, that they've doubled in expenses as they've renewed Signetti. And Signetti, by the way, is paid like a top five coach in the conference. So the question is, will you compete for players because there's a market? Will you compete for coaches because there's a market? Will you compete like you're a school above your station? The answer to all that seems to be yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I mean, I think that a lot of people believe that there's going to be a pillow fight between Signetti and Matt Rule to see who gets the Penn State job. But I'm going to agree with you to this extent. I think it is so romantic to think that Kirk Signetti would stay there and build this into a juggernaut because Indiana has the most losses all time of any college football program. And he gets there. He gets there from James Ma, a school that nobody outside the Washington D.C. area or Richmond, Virginia knows where it is. And he brings a bunch of kids with him and in less than two years they're number three in the country. That's absolutely amazing to me. He knows Signetti knows what it is like to coach at a big school. He was an assistant to Nick Saban at Alabama. If he thinks he can do it at Indiana, they could name the field after him. And the romance of that may actually get to him. Let's take a break if we could. Coming up, 41 year old Aaron Rodgers faces 40 year old Joe Flacco tomorrow. We're going to ask Steve Young about that.
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Pablo Torre
We'll also ask him about Patrick Mahomes running more than ever.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Dodgers spend money wisely. Look at who they get. They trade for Mookie Betts, they sign Freeman, they get Kike Hernandez and TE Oscar Hernandez. They run well. They're likable.
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Pablo Torre
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Tony Kornheiser
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Pablo Torre
Please drink responsibly. Part of happy hour.
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Pablo Torre
You are watching Pardon the interruption. Presented by Twisted Tea Hard Iced Tea Part of Happy hour.
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Tony Kornheiser
We have some NFL questions for our great friend. The man who actually did something Pablo bailed on went to law school hall of Fame quarterback Steve Young. Let us start with this. 41 year old Aaron Rodgers and 40 year old Joe Flacco will play against each other on Thursday night on a short week. It has been referred to as the Icy Hot bowl or the AARP bowl. When you watch two guys in their 40s starting at quarterback in the NFL against each other, you think what?
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Steve Young
Tony I think this is super important because I think about two people that learn the game in a more sophisticated era and people go, when was that? Steve? That was before the rule changes for safety. People don't realize the difference in the game that happened when they didn't allow defenders to launch their head first into and cover more ground more quickly and they also restricted how you could hit the quarterback. And so when Tom Brady was at the, you know, in Tampa and I ran into him On a Monday night game, I said, how do you feel like the game has changed? He says, look, Steve, it's amazing. The flats are always open because there's more space. The middle of the field is unpatrolled where it used to be a death zone, and no one can hit me. And so when you. When I see two people over 40 playing in today's game, they're taking advantage of learning in a more sophisticated time and now playing in a less sophisticated era where there's more space. Essentially, the rule changes for safety made the. I'm going to be conflating here, but it made the field like a Canadian field. Right. It expanded the space and all the great innovative minds jumped in. We talk about every week, Kyle Shannon, Sean McVeigh, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, they just jumped in and answered that call to innovation because of the rule changes.
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Pablo Torre
Now, Steve, one of the great quirks of this current season is that Patrick Mahomes is leading his team, the Chiefs, in rushing. He's on pace to nearly double his career total. Of course, I look at Patrick Mahomes, I can't help but think of running quarterbacks, dual threat guys like yourself. How do you balance that? The whole thing of I have this athleticism, but also I need to keep myself safe. How did you balance that? How does he.
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Steve Young
It's the question for. Because quarterback's the most important role in sports. It's the question, Pablo, that needs to be asked and talked about way more because it is an incredible challenge. Patrick Mahomes cannot maintain being the leading rusher for the Chiefs and go to the super bowl, yet he has to threaten the line of scrimmage. He's learned that. He's learned that I need to be a sophisticated passer, yet I have to put into the defense's mind, who have now been put on their heels because of safety rules. I can now attack the line of scrimmage because of all this new space. Look at Justin Herbert. I even say Jared Goff needs to do more of this because in the biggest games, they are won in the biggest moments by quarterbacks who have threatened the line of scrimmage. So Patrick Mahomes needs to continue to do it. And now how do you figure out that right space, when to go, when to stay, when to throw it, when to run. And that really, it makes it even harder for guys like Justin Fields who are. Or Lamar Jackson, because they're so incredibly athletic.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, Justin Fields is the name I want to ask you about next because he gets sacked nine times. Of course, over the weekend on Sunday. And he says, we can't let that happen again. So how do you do that? How do you get the ball out quicker to avoid that kind of, again, damage to yourself?
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Steve Young
The number. I tell him, anyone who wants to talk to me about dual threat and how, you know, the transition that you have to make. The reason why I was able to find what I hope was a pretty fine line of when to go and how to stay and how to be sophisticated and how to still threaten and how to do all that became when I owned all the data, when I memorized. I mean, you guys mentioned I went to law school. I'm sorry, Pablo, did you make it a semester? I didn't hear what the latest on that one.
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Pablo Torre
I have an expired LSAT score, Steve. Thanks for asking, though. My mom is watching.
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Steve Young
But I can tell you that as much memorization that I had in law school, there was more required of memorization week to week in preparing to own the data for an NFL football game and in owning the data. And you think about recent history with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning really showed you and, like ad infinitum, how much information they had to take in and own reflexively. In other words, I didn't memorize it so I could spit it back in a room, a quiet room, I can reflexively spit it out. It comes in my mind and I have all these ideas of what is the tendency for the defense, what's the blitz tendency in the red zone, what happens in goal line, what's the formation, how much it's all happening real time, and when your brain can slow down because you have owned all of that information reflexively, now your athleticism can come out. Now who you are as a quarterback can come out, and now you can make those decisions about when to go, when to come, how to deal with it, how to throw it, where to go. Like, if you don't own the data, you're always behind. And if you're behind the data, you'll never be the athlete you could be. You'll never be the quarterback that you could be. You'll be a shadow of who you could possibly be. And so that's why I ended up saying, you know, quarterbacking is a master's program in the schoolroom.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's a brilliant answer. I feel stupid asking the next question that was so brilliant. You used the phrase threaten the line of scrimmage. You struggled when you played with the box before you succeeded with the 49ers. When you look at the success Baker Mayfield and Here's a guy who threatens the line of scrimmage Baker Mayfield is having at his third stop. Now what lesson should people learn from that?
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Steve Young
Well, we talked about it. I mean, I'm going to be very frank. There are terrible places for quarterback. There are places that don't understand the position the way they need to. Everything about this discussion we just had has not infiltrated every football team in the NFL. How to understand who's going to. Who are the innovative minds? You talk about elite quarterbacks in the league today, let's just say five. I mean, you know, I will argue, but there's five elite innovative play calling minds, there's five elite owners, there's five elite places for quarterback. Like it all, there's always good spots and bad spots. I'm not. But you know, Baker, me, anyone else has to own our play. You can't walk away from it. But as a guy, now looking back, I gotta be honest with you. There's good spots and there's bad spots. And Baker's found a great spot for quarterback that allows him to see, allows him to iterate to get better every week, which he's doing. And the ultimate question, how good can you get? That's why I only ask for every quarterback alive today to get the opportunity to find out how good you are. And you need so much help in football because that's the nature of the game. 50 guys running all over the place, Chaos. Please give quarterbacks a chance to see how good they can get. And not everybody gets it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Thank you so much, Steve. Pleasure all the time. Thank you.
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Pablo Torre
Thank you.
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Steve Young
You guys, the questions are just out of the world. I love it. You know, I love this.
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Tony Kornheiser
I wish I could take credit for him, but somebody else is writing. Let's take one last break. Still to come, Alex Bregman opts out of his deal with the Red Sox. But does that mean he's gone?
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Pablo Torre
And Russell Westbrook. Tony has a new team.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I read about that today. I could spoil the party and say what team it is, but I'm not gonna do it till later.
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Pablo Torre
I might need.
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Tony Kornheiser
Steve Young is brilliant, Pablo.
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Pablo Torre
Steve Young, he wants to get us all. He wants us to get graduate degrees. I get it, Mom. Yes. We should all go. We should all go get more degrees. Cool.
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Pablo Torre
Pardon the interruption is presented by the refreshing taste of twisted tea Hard ice cream tea. Please drink responsibly. Part of Happy Hour.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 72nd birthday. Joe Kleko, the Hall of Fame defensive end for the New York jets was part of a defensive front called the New York Sack Exchange in honor of their quarterback sacks. They were Cleco, Mark Gasineau, Abdul Salaam and Marty Lyons. Kleko was Defensive Player of the year in 1981 when he had his personal desk 20 and a half sacks. He was first team all pro twice and a four time pro bowler. Cleco was on the jets for 11 seasons and in that time the jets made the playoffs four times. They never got to the super bowl, but compared to now they look like a dynasty. The current jets have the longest active playoff drought in the NFL 14 years and at 06 it's a pretty good bet it will reach 15.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah, Tony, I live in New York, as you know. I love the back pages. I go to check what they're saying. It's just sad now. Like the puns have been exhausted. We get it. The jets are hopeless and I now officially feel terrible for them.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy anniversary, USC. On this day 20 years ago, a thrilling game between number one USC and number nine Notre Dame in South Bend came down to the final seconds. After initially celebrating their win on a last play defense stop, the Irish were informed that Matt Lynard fumbled out of bounds before being stopped short of the goal line and the scoreboard clock accidentally kept running. So on the next play, Leinart was initially stopped on a quarterback sneak, but he was assisted into the end zone by a mighty shove by tailback Reggie Bush. This became known as the Bush Push. The play was never reviewed because before the game the visiting coach, Pete Carroll declined the option to review any calls.
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Pablo Torre
And there's history in just that summary. So first off, the tush push is for the Bush push. For the kids. Not familiar. But then that rule, that rule used to be a thing the visiting coach could decide would there be instant replay in the game for either team?
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Tony Kornheiser
Crazy.
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Pablo Torre
And he made the wrong call pregame, it seems.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, totally crazy. Happy trails to Alex Bregman's existing contract. The Red Sox third baseman plans to to opt out of his contract and enter free agency for the second straight offseason. Last offseason, Bregman and agent Scott Borris didn't sign until the start of spring training, agreeing to a three year, $120 million deal with the Red Sox featuring annual opt outs. After batting.273 with 18 homers and 62 RBI, opting out is what Bregman has chosen to do. He could of course re sign with Boston.
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Pablo Torre
Yeah. And Red Sox fans are just wondering, are we going to act like a team with a ton of money or are we going to act like a team that is losing our star players? Bregman is like the clubhouse leader and so it's one thing of course, if you're potentially losing a star player to the Giants, that one different story. And by the way, I know you get into errors and omissions. Yeah, Pete Carroll made the right call. I want to correct myself. He made the right call by no instant replay because the Bush push got pushed. So you know what else did maybe not me get wrong?
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Tony Kornheiser
Good job. Out of you, Pablo. Going back 20 years and making a judgment like that one error, Mayfield is at his fourth stop, not his third. My bad. And one omission. Knicks guard Malcolm Brogdon is retiring. Let's go to the big finish if we could. Jason Kidd and the Mavs have agreed on a multi year extension. Are you surprised?
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Pablo Torre
I am not. Jason Kidd is a fine coach. The Mavs have a fine team. Giannis says he'd like to play in Greece following his eventual retirement from the NBA. Does that make sense?
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm getting tired of Giannis. Does anybody else? Russell Westbrook and the Kings agreed to a one year deal where the $3.6 million. Is that a good fit?
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Pablo Torre
Spiritually, the Kings are perfect. The Rangers are the first team in NHL history to get their a shutout in their first three home games of the season. Is that a big deal?
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Tony Kornheiser
You got 41 home games. It's a big deal if you get shut out in the first 25. Not the first three. Last one. Christian Pulisic injured his hamstring in a Team USA win over Australia. Your analysis? Analysis.
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Pablo Torre
I would just like them to be healthy. The World Cup's coming.
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Tony Kornheiser
Any wonder boy.
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Pablo Torre
Healthy?
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, Wonder boy.
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Pablo Torre
I would like wonder boy to be wonderfully healthy.
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Tony Kornheiser
That'd be nice. We're out of time. We will try to do better the next time. Dr. Alex Young, thank you very much.
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Pablo Torre
And I'm Pablo Torre. Thank you for watching.
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Steve Young
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