Is Bradley Beal a Good Fit for the Clippers?

Summary

Podcast Summary: PTI Episode - "Is Bradley Beal a Good Fit for the Clippers?"

Release Date: July 17, 2025

In this engaging episode of PTI, hosts Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon delve into a variety of sports topics, balancing in-depth analysis with their signature banter. The episode primarily revolves around Bradley Beal's potential move to the Los Angeles Clippers, interspersed with discussions on recent events in baseball, golf, and basketball. The hosts also reflect on memorable moments from the recent All-Star Game and touch upon notable incidents in other sports. Below is a detailed breakdown of the episode's key segments.

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1. Introduction and Recent Baseball All-Star Game (00:00 - 06:49)

The episode opens with brief advertisements before transitioning to last night's baseball All-Star Game, which concluded dramatically with a "swing-off" that broke a 6-6 tie. Kyle Schwarber's performance, hitting three consecutive home runs, was pivotal in securing the National League's victory.

Mike Wilbon shares his initial skepticism about the swing-off format, likening it to a "shootout" in hockey, but admits his perspective shifted after discussing it with a baseball purist named Buster. Tony Kornheiser echoes the sentiment, appreciating the entertainment value despite initial reservations.

The conversation then shifts to a heartfelt tribute to Hank Aaron, who broke Babe Ruth's longstanding home run record. Tony emphasizes the cultural and historical significance of Aaron's achievement, highlighting its impact both on and off the field. Mike adds depth by reminiscing about legendary broadcasters who called the moment live and stresses the importance of younger generations learning about such pivotal moments in sports history.

Notable Quote:

• Tony Kornheiser (05:19): "Hank Aaron, hitting number 7:15 in Atlanta is the greatest single moment in Georgia sports history by an enormous margin."

2. The British Open and Golf Predictions (06:49 - 10:10)

Transitioning from baseball to golf, Tony introduces the upcoming British Open at Royal Port Rush in Northern Ireland, noting its last occurrence in 2019 and recent champions like Shane Lowry, Rory McIlroy, Scottie Scheffler, and Xander Schauffley.

Mike Wilbon expresses his confidence in Schauffley despite his inconsistent performance this year, citing personal insights and the belief that Scheffler might be a safer bet given his recent form. Tony, however, counters by valuing Scheffler's consistent top-10 finishes and his successful track record over the past three years, ultimately favoring Scheffler over Schauffley and McIlroy.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wilbon (09:09): "The Clippers are going to challenge in 2026, Derrick Jones Jr. For the Western Conference title."

3. Bradley Beal's Potential Move to the Clippers (14:02 - 16:39)

The main focus shifts to Bradley Beal's rumored departure from the Phoenix Suns to join the Los Angeles Clippers. Tony Kornheiser expresses skepticism about the Clippers' strategy of acquiring "shiny old toys," referencing past high-profile signings like Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. He critiques Beal's performance history, suggesting that while Beal had respectable individual stats in Washington, he never truly elevated a strong team to championship contention.

Contrastingly, Mike Wilbon views Beal's move positively, arguing that Beal's role in the Clippers won't require him to consistently be the primary scorer, easing the pressure and leveraging the team's existing strengths. Mike envisions the Clippers as a formidable contender by 2026, highlighting the depth and versatility of their roster.

Notable Quotes:

• Tony Kornheiser (14:02): "Bradley Beal was the best player on a bad team in Washington that never did anything."
• Mike Wilbon (16:34): "The Clippers are going to challenge in 2026, Derrick Jones Jr. For the Western Conference title."

4. Wyndham Clark's Suspension and Golf Conduct (16:39 - 19:48)

Shifting back to golf, the hosts discuss the suspension of Wyndham Clark following his destructive outburst at Oakmont, where he damaged lockers after a disappointing performance. Tony Kornheiser debates the appropriateness of the suspension, considering Clark's achievements, including his US Open win in 2023, which grants him a 10-year exemption. Mike Wilbon highlights the cultural differences between golf and other sports, noting that such behavior is more commonplace in sports like hockey or basketball but is particularly scandalous in the genteel world of golf.

The discussion underscores Oakmont's strict stance on maintaining decorum within the sport, emphasizing that destructive behavior is unacceptable, regardless of past accolades.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wilbon (17:40): "They're destroying their own lockers. That's somebody else's locker."

5. Caitlin Clark's Injury and Its Implications (22:22 - 23:05)

The conversation briefly touches upon Caitlin Clark, the Indiana Fever star, who suffered a right groin injury and missed the latest game. Tony Kornheiser expresses concern over her ability to participate in the upcoming All-Star Three-Point Contest. Mike Wilbon shares his disappointment about Clark's absence but remains hopeful for her recovery in time for the event.

Notable Quote:

• Tony Kornheiser (22:22): "Caitlin Clark...left last night's win over the sun with 40 seconds left with a right groin injury."

6. Mav Center Derek Lively's Surgery and Future Prospects (23:05 - 24:09)

Tony Kornheiser introduces news about Derek Lively of the Dallas Mavericks undergoing surgery to remove bone spurs from his right foot. Mike Wilbon discusses Lively's importance to the Mavericks and touches upon the broader implications for the team's performance.

Additionally, the hosts mention conversations around Georgia coach Kirby Smart and Nick Saban, assessing the future of one of college football's most storied rivalries.

Notable Quote:

• Mike Wilbon (23:12): "He's important to that Dallas Mavericks franchise."

7. ESPY Awards and Best Team Prediction (24:09 - 24:38)

Wrapping up the content segments, Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon predict the winners of the upcoming ESPY Awards. Mike leans towards the Philadelphia Eagles, especially after their victory over Kansas City, while Tony humorously dismisses his own prediction, hinting at impartiality.

Notable Quote:

• Tony Kornheiser (23:59): "Happy trails. Caitlin Clark... missing for tonight's game at the Liberty."

8. Conclusion and Teasers (24:38 - End)

The episode concludes with a playful exchange about the evolution of the three-point shot in basketball, critiquing its impact on the game's rhythm. The hosts also promote upcoming content, including a new 30 for 30 podcast series titled "Chasing Basketball Heaven," set to release on July 22.

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Final Thoughts

Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon provide a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of current sports events, blending critical insights with their characteristic humor and camaraderie. From dissecting Bradley Beal's potential influence on the Clippers to honoring Hank Aaron's legacy, the episode offers listeners a rich tapestry of sports discourse. Their balanced perspectives ensure that both casual fans and avid followers find value in the discussions.

Notable Overall Quote:

• Tony Kornheiser (25:14): "Same time tomorrow, Knuckleheads. Eagles are pretty good. I'm not saying they'll do it again. That's for another death."

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Transcript

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mike Wilbon]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Bradley Beal has a new team. Caitlin Clark is injured again. And the British Open is set to tee off in the wee hours. But we begin today with the end of last night's baseball All Star game where they went to the swing off option to break a 66 tie. And Kyle Schwaber hit three straight bombs to give the National League the victory. Wilbourne, how did you feel about the swing off?

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, Tony, when it started and I didn't watch the whole game, I did watch the comeback. After it was six nothing. I saw it to six four. I don't know how I got to six six. But I start paying attention again and I look up and they're talking about a swing off. It's like a shootout and like, I'm not going to like this. And maybe I am influenced by the fact that it was Kyle Schwaber, who I love. Former neighbor in Chicago, Kyle Schwaber. I root for Kyle Schwerber. He's part of the greatest Cub team of my life and most anybody's life who's been living the past century. And Kyle Schwaber was part of that. He's hit big home runs. You know, he had like five home runs in eight or nine games in one post season. That didn't last long for the Cubs before they won. So maybe Schwaber's participation swayed me, but I didn't hate. It's.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's all right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, that's. That's interesting. Full disclosure here. I was not awake when it happened. That game ended right around midnight on the East Coast. But I saw it this morning. And then I talked to Buster, only on my podcast, and he changed my mind. How I felt about this. Let me just start by saying I'm okay with you ending an exhibition game this way. It's okay with me to have a swing off. You know, the All Star Game is a television show. This was good television. This may have even been great television. And I don't want to sit here, Mike, and say, because it's a game that doesn't count in the standings, I don't want to make it into game seven of the World Series. But my first reaction was, I'm not crazy about this. It's like a shootout in hockey. It's like if they went to a three point contest in the NBA. I thought an All Star Game deserved probably better than this. And if you're going to do this, how can you not have Rawley and Judge and Ohtani, I guess they were out of the game. They showered, they dressed, and they have left.

[Mike Wilbon]

They didn't know the rules.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They may not have even been there.

[Mike Wilbon]

Who's that with them?

[Tony Kornheiser]

But then I talked to Buster. I talked to Buster and Buster is a baseball purist. And he said it was thrilling. He said he loved it. He said the people in the stands love it. He said the other players loved it. They came out and they cheered for it. I was, I have to say that I was influenced by that, that. That he liked it so much. Just don't tell me that we're going to end every extra inning game this way in a regular season. Don't tell me that. It's taken me a year and a half to adjust to the Ghost Runner. And I think it's okay. But I think, Mike, if given the option, I think players would vote for this. I do. And Schwaber, as you said, was magnificent.

[Mike Wilbon]

For an All Star Game. Fine. And the players were, I don't want to see an extra inning All Star Game. I don't need that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right.

[Mike Wilbon]

So they ended like this. It would be fine if they ended in a shootout. It, you know, again, Tony, I thought it was cheesy at the start and then by the end of it I was like, okay, now if it was somebody other than Schwarber who was the.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Star Wars, I'm worried this will be.

[Mike Wilbon]

I Might not feel that way.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm worried this will be the new rule in two years for all games, regular season games.

[Mike Wilbon]

No, you can't really.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'll have to go.

[Mike Wilbon]

I'm not taking this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's quick.

[Mike Wilbon]

Okay.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We'll see.

[Mike Wilbon]

The All Star festivities also featured a tribute to Henry Aaron, breaking Babe Ruth's home run mark in 1974. A visual display was projected onto the diamond to recreate the moment, followed by a lone firework shot out toward left field to symbolize the trajectory of the home run itself. On hand was Aaron's widow, Billy. Erin. Tony, what do you feel while watching this moment?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so there were three lovely tributes last night. One was when Dave Roberts, you know, I think in the middle of the third, went out there and brought Freddie Freeman off so that the fans in Atlanta, who loved Freddie Freeman for all those years when he was with the Braves, could give him a great ovation. Dave Roberts did it again when he went to get his own horse, when he went to get Clayton Kershaw, who had retired two batters, one by a strikeout, and he moved him off for a nice warm ovation in what likely will be the last All Star Game that Clayton Kershaw ever plays in. And there was a tribute to Hank Aaron, which was produced perfectly. It was not schmaltzy. It was not syrupy. It was right down the middle, and it was lovely. So, I mean, Hank Aaron, hitting number 7:15 in Atlanta is the greatest single moment in Georgia sports history by an enormous margin. This was an important home run for baseball, an important home run for Aaron, and an important home run. Mike, as you and I will agree, for the United States of America. This is not just any rum dum record that he's getting. He's breaking the record of Babe Ruth, who, to that point, and maybe even still now, is the most important athlete the United States has ever produced. And he's going after the singular number 714 that everybody understands. And he is a black man in Atlanta, and he's breaking the record there after an exemplary life that he led. And, Mike, I cannot and you cannot overstate this. We cannot overstate it.

[Mike Wilbon]

No. And Vin Scully didn't overstate it when he talked about what a wonderful moment this was for America. Vin Scully went right to this in 1974. And if it had been anybody lesser than Vin Scully, he might have been taking the task. And it was fascinating to me, Tony, that the three people who called it a live time, and then you could go back and hear some of this with the tribute Milo Hamilton, who called the Braves for forever, among other teams, Vin Scully and Kurt Gowdy. I mean, these are legendary names in broadcasting. And if you go back to a time when I was 15 years old, to be able to relive that by watching it, not just watched it again on my phone. I watched some of it last night. It is Tony, it's very emotional. You hope that now a country, a culture which doesn't appreciate history, which doesn't pay attention, which if they can only consume clips, our children and grandchildren, maybe they will consume that clip from last night and they'll look at it and they'll go to Google or wherever it is, whatever AI they go to and learn more about Henry Aaron and Henry Aaron's home run off of Al Downing and what it meant and what the struggle was like for Henry Aaron, who received death threats as he approached Babe Ruth. Maybe that's the significance of it, is that it was wonderfully done, Tony but maybe now a country younger than us that doesn't give a damn about anything that didn't happen on TikTok this morning will be my close enough to learn more.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's burned into my memory. I saw it and I remember it. I can visualize him rounding the bases. I can visualize those two kids when he's around third coming in. I can visualize him smiling and and his teammates smiling. And I will say this now, and I believe this in all my heart. That's an important moment for America. It's an important moment. The British Opening starts tomorrow at Royal Port Rush in Northern Ireland. The last time it was played there was 2019 and Shane Lowry won. Rory McIlroy didn't even make the cut. But since then, McIlroy has won the Grand Slam by winning the Masters in April. Scottie Scheffler won the PGA after that and Xander Schoffley won the British last year. Wilbon. If you have to pick among McIlroy, Scheffler and Schauffle right here, who would you lean towards?

[Mike Wilbon]

Schauffle. And I know he has not played that well this year. I mean, for the most part it's been for him at this standard with two majors, a disappointing season so far. But I would take him and Tony. I thought I was going to take McElroy until spending some time with people who've been with and around McElroy. And it goes against what I felt. I thought when McElroy won the Masters, it was going to free him to sort of just stalk championships for A while. And I'm told by people, again, who are closer, who've had access to him, Nope, it's not exactly the deal. He's good and he's happier in his life where he is with golf right now, and it's fine. But there's a lot of pressure on Rory playing at what is essentially a home course, and I get that. I'll move away from that. And I'm going to go with Schoffley instead of Scheffler, who I understand Scheffler's been great in, like, his last 10 major events, but I'm playing a hunch, and I'm going to go with Schauffley.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, that's funny. I'm going to eliminate Shoffley, and I'm going to eliminate him. And I know he was the British Open champion last year. I'm going to eliminate him because he did not do particularly well in the PGA, did not do particularly well in the US Open. He was T8 in the Masters, but he hasn't won a tournament all year. McElroy is a sentimental favorite. Obviously, this is his home country. He's got the course record at Royal Port Rush. But I heard him the other day talk about the fact that he was trying to get sort of a change of attitude and a different approach to this one at Royal Port Rush than the last one, where he missed the cut. And it seems to me, Mike, that Rory McIlroy is trying to get a different approach to something or other every third day. I think he's satisfied with the Masters. I do. And I, like you, thought it would open the gates for a whole lot more. He was in the last group in the Scottish Open over the weekend, and he didn't win. He lost to Chris Goderup, and that sort of surprised me. So I'm going to go with Scottie Scheffler, who's been the best player in the world for the last three years. He won this year. He won the pga. He won the Byron Nelson. He won the Memorial. He's on this incredible run where the last 10 tournaments he's played in, he's been in the top 10, including the Masters in the Open. So I'm going to go with him. But sentimentally, for me, I'd like to see Tommy Fleetwood win. I really would. I always sort of like it.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah, it'd be fun to move one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

There from over there, win these things. Let's take a break. Coming up, your boy Bradley Beal is leaving the suns. What does he bring to the Clippers.

[Mike Wilbon]

What's the word for Oakmont? Suspension of Windham Clark for damaging lockers Bad behavior?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, it's not the right way.

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Time to fill in some blanks with words that don't stank. I like that. What's first? Bradley Beal is a blank pickup for the Clippers. My word is predictable. This is something that the Clippers always do. They go after shiny old toys. They went after Kawhi Leonard. They went after Paul George. Now they have gone after Bradley Beal. It's as if they're trying to win the 2018 NBA Championship. Bradley Beal was the best player on a bad team in Washington that never did anything. He was a rather disappointing player on what was said to be a good team in Phoenix and turned out not to be a good team. He's never won anything except a fabulous contract in Washington that gave him supremacy over everyone and everything. He always seems to me to fall a little bit short, sort of like James Harden. And I, me personally, I don't think the Clippers will win the title with him.

[Mike Wilbon]

I don't know if they win the title, but I'm going the total opposite way. This is a career swinging move. Bradley Beal, by the way, the Suns stunk. Bradley Beal didn't. Bradley Beal had some career best numbers in that time while averaging like half the number of points he did with the Wizards. He only averaged 17 points a game for two years, but his percentages were up, his efficiency was up, and he didn't really stink individually. But I'm going to mention this. Here's why his career is swinging, because he doesn't have to be great. The Clippers aren't going to ask him to be that because Kawhi Leonard gets asked to be that James Harden. And by the way, James Harden is better now in his older role than he was as a superstar who had the ball for 22 and a half seconds. But you got big zoo Zubots, Kawhi Harden, Brook Lopez has moved over. Batum is a great bench player. John Collins coming into his own largely and probably coming off the bench. And they may sign Chris Paul and you may look at the bench and say, whoa, this is AARP bench good. Brook Lopez, Chris Paul, Batum. And then you got Derek COLLINS, Derek, Derrick Jr. I'm looking at this team, Tony. The Clippers are going to challenge in 2026, Derrick Jones Jr. For the Western Conference title. And you'll just be, you know, not paying attention as you. As you do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Absolutely not paying attention. Absolutely not paying attention.

[Mike Wilbon]

Glad to admit it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oakmont suspension of Wyndham Clark is blank. It is justified. He smashed up a bunch of lockers. He had a bad round at the US Open and he smashed up a bunch of lockers. You can't do that. You can't even do that if you're a member of the club. That's not how it works now. Yeah, he apologized and he offered restitution for the lockers, but I don't know. I mean, I think what Oakmont has said, which is if you ever want to get back in here, you have to pay for all the damage that you've done. You have to go to counseling and you have to make a charitable contribution that we approve of. I think that's totally fair. The wild card here though is Wyndham Clark, I believe won the US Open in 2023, which gives him a 10 year exemption to every US Open after that for 10 years. Oakmont has the US Open in 2033. I think that's in the window. So let's stay tuned as to what's going on here.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah, Tony, I'm gonna say it's mindful because golf is not like the others. Hockey, baseball, basketball, football, guys tear up locker rooms all the time, famously, and then brag about it. We see baseball players take a bat to the Gatorade cooler. We, I mean, we see this stuff all the time in other sports, but not in golf, where it's not allowed to be allowed. They're just in a club.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They're destroying their own lockers. That's somebody else's locker.

[Mike Wilbon]

And so what they're also saying is one, we're different as a sport and a culture. We're not having this. And Wyndham Clark, who we saw throw a club, Wyndham Clark behaved like a louse. And basically Oakman is saying, no, we don't tolerate that. We're not having that. And by the way, Tony, to me, if they made this public with the, well, the letters, the reporting is that there's something else that ain't. The only behavior is the locker. If this is public, like to know what else they're doing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Final word. Let's take one last break. Still to come, Caitlin Clark gets injured again. Where does this leave the fever? And Friday's three point contest.

[Mike Wilbon]

And Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick are poking at each other again.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Doesn't that surprise you a little bit. Doesn't it surprise you that there's. There's no mutual admiration? There doesn't seem to be any mutual admiration. I'm surprised by that.

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, I can think of some other situations. Last dance.

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Happy time people. Happy 53rd birthday. Aaron Glenn, the first year head coach of the New York jets, wasted little time in telling Aaron Rodgers to get off the bus. Right now Glenn will go to Justin Fields to quarterback the jets, who haven't been in the playoffs since 2010 under Rex Ryan. They have since gone through Todd Bowles, Adam Gase, Robert Sala. Glenn was a defensive back on the jets from 1994 through 2001. He made two Pro Bowls and two playoffs there. He started coaching as an assistant DBS coach with The Browns in 2014, became DBs coach for the Saints under Sean Payton for five years and most recently was defensive coordinator under Dan Campbell at the Lions.

[Mike Wilbon]

Tony I suppose there are reasons to look at the jets under Glenn and think, okay, have some optimism. There's reason to pay attention. I'm more interested in the team Glenn is leaving the Detroit Lions than the team he is joining. Your New York Jets.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mike Wilbon]

As you know, Tony Mattingly was so great in those first like six seasons of his career. I compare him across sports and an injury sabotage him. I compare him with Grant Hill who had like seven seasons that were so great out of the gate in Detroit and both of them sabotaged by injuries. And who knows how high up the pyramid they'd be if they'd been healthy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Happy trails. Caitlin Clark, the Indiana Fever star left last night's win over the sun with 40 seconds left with a right groin injury. You may remember that Clark recently sat out five games with a left groin injury. She's missed 10 games overall. Prior to this season, Clark had never missed a game in her college or pro career. She's officially listed as out for for tonight's game at the Liberty. And you have to wonder whether this could affect our participation in Friday night's All Star three point contest.

[Mike Wilbon]

Tony I hope by sitting out tonight's game against the Liberty and I know 20,000 at Barclays will be disappointed. That game was moved to Brooklyn to have that big crowd to see Caitlin Clark. I'm hoping she'll be able to participate in All Star Weekend. I really do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's go to the big finish if we could. Mav Center Derek Lively, the second, had bone spurs removed from his right foot. Is that cause for concern?

[Mike Wilbon]

Yay. Missed two months with a stress fracture at his right ankle. Maybe this will clear out the whole thing. He'll be healthy. He's important to that Dallas Mavericks franchise. Georgia coach. Former Alabama defensive coordinator Kirby Smart says he doubts Nick Saban will return to coaching. Your thoughts?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Tony My thoughts are that he's siding with you and I'm on the other side on that. When Bob Kraft told the Dudes on Dudes podcast that he took a big risk by hiring Bill Belichick and Belichick responded that he took a big risk by taking a Patriots job. Who's right?

[Mike Wilbon]

Neither. Big egos. They both did all right. Much better than all right. They did great. The Rangers gave Nathan Abaldi His $100,000 all star bonus even though he got snubbed, didn't make the team. Your reaction?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Good for Texas for doing that. He's 7 and 3 with a 158 ERA. How could he not make the All Star? Last one. ESPY Awards are tonight. Who should win Best team?

[Mike Wilbon]

Panthers, Dodgers? Liberty? Ohio State? Thunder? Eagles. I'm going with the Eagles. They beat the Dynasty in Kansas city. Right, Eagles?

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mike Wilbon]

And I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, Knuckleheads. Eagles are pretty good. I'm not saying they'll do it again. That's for another death.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I95. You usually hate it. Good for you.

You've seen the headlines, heard the debates.

Some say the three point ball has created a monotonous rhythm to the game.

Has the three pointer ruined basketball?

[Mike Wilbon]

And how did we get here?

[Tony Kornheiser]

The rise of the three point shot.

[Mike Wilbon]

Can be partially traced to an eccentric.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Kansas genius named Martin Manley, whose story.

[Mike Wilbon]

Didn'T turn out quite the way he imagined. I decided I wanted to have one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Of the most organized goodbyes in history, and I think I will be successful.

[Mike Wilbon]

30 for 30 podcast presents a brand.

[Tony Kornheiser]

New original series, Chasing basketball heaven, available July 22.

[Mike Wilbon]

Wherever you get your podcasts.