Is it Fair to Criticize to Ant-Man?

Summary

Podcast Summary: PTI - "Is it Fair to Criticize Ant-Man?"
Release Date: May 27, 2025
Hosts: ESPN's Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon
Description: Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon delve into the nation's hottest sports topics, offering insights and engaging discussions.

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1. Opening Banter

The episode kicks off with Tony and Mike sharing personal anecdotes about their fears, highlighting how these evolve with age. Tony humorously lists his fears—[00:33] "Snakes, spiders, emotional intimacy. I can't have that."—setting a lighthearted tone for the discussion.

2. NBA Playoffs: Minnesota Timberwolves vs. Oklahoma City Thunder

Performance Analysis:

Tony and Mike delve into the Timberwolves' recent loss to the Thunder, focusing on star player Anthony Edwards. Edwards, despite scoring 16 points on 13 shots, including 1 of 7 from three-point range, minimized his performance post-game stating, [01:34] "I don't really look at it like I struggled. I didn't struggle at all. I just made the right plays."

Mike counters, emphasizing the defensive challenges Edwards faced: [02:09] "The defense that Oklahoma City was playing last night resembled that quite a bit on Ant-Man, who is not Jordan, but he could take over a game."

Defense Strategy Comparison:

The conversation shifts to defensive strategies, referencing the "Jordan Rules" from Detroit's defense against Michael Jordan. Mike highlights Oklahoma City's multifaceted defensive approach against Edwards, involving key defenders like Kayson Wallace, Caruso, Lou Dort, and JW—their coordinated effort left Edwards with limited effectiveness.

Julius Randle's Turnovers:

Tony brings Julius Randle's performance into focus, critiquing his turnovers: [03:38] "Julius Randle had 10 turnovers. They can't have that."

Mike adds, [04:14] "Minnesota better do something about Shea Gilge Alexander. Treat him like they are treating your star defensively."

Tim Legler's Insights:

Bringing in NBA analyst Tim Legler, the discussion deepens into strategic adjustments for the Timberwolves, emphasizing the need for synchronous performances from both Randle and Edwards alongside role players contributing from beyond the arc. Tim advises, [17:06] "They've got to do something different to win this game... Both those guys have to play well on the same night."

3. NHL Playoffs: Carolina Hurricanes vs. Florida Panthers

Mike transitions to the NHL, discussing the Hurricanes' recent win breaking a 15-game streak. Tony reflects on the significance of the victory, considering the Hurricanes are trailing three games to one in the Eastern Conference Finals.

Critical Factors:

Tony underscores the importance of goalie Frederick Anderson's recent shutout performance: [06:33] "He pitched a shutout last night after being yanked in game two and benched in game three."

Mike emphasizes Anderson's potential impact: [07:02] "Goaltending, as we know in the Stanley Cup playoffs, can change everything."

The hosts discuss the psychological and strategic implications of the series, noting that history shows four teams have rallied from a 0-3 deficit, citing the Boston Red Sox as an example.

4. MLB Highlights: Shohei Ohtani vs. Aaron Judge

Transitioning to baseball, Tony highlights Shohei Ohtani's impressive performance, noting his leadoff home runs and leading the majors with 19 homers as of [07:31] "Ohtani is heating up and Tim Leger joins us for five minutes."

Performance Projections:

Mike cautiously projects Ohtani maintaining his momentum: [08:27] "Ohtani is going to be great. Will he be a little greater than Judge the rest of the way? Marginally so to me."

Tony, however, expresses higher expectations, especially if Ohtani resumes pitching: [09:17] "If he comes back to pitch this year and he pitches like he did with the Angels, he's going to be the greatest baseball player of all time."

5. NFL Updates: Joey Bosa and Team Dynamics

The conversation shifts to the NFL, focusing on Joey Bosa's recent injury after joining the Bills: [22:03] "Joey Bosa just joined the Bills and he's already injured."

Tony criticizes team decisions regarding running backs and quarterbacks, expressing support for Kirk Cousins over Aaron Rodgers: [22:35] "I would so much rather have Kirk Cousins at this stage than Aaron Rodgers at this stage."

6. Guest Segment with Tim Legler: Knicks and Pacers Analysis

Returning to the NBA, Tony and Mike welcome Tim Legler to discuss the Knicks-Pacers series.

Aaron Neesmith's Impact:

Tim addresses Aaron Neesmith's potential absence for the Pacers: [13:39] "Critical because of his physicality on Brunson."

Knicks' Performance Metrics:

Mike brings up perplexing stats showing the Knicks perform better with either Karl-Anthony Towns or Jalen Brunson on the bench: [14:42] "Does this make sense to you? And if it does, how do you make sense of it?"

Tim explains the defensive vulnerabilities when both stars are on the floor: [15:00] "Neither one of those guys are necessarily in the top half of the league at their position defensively."

Series Patterns:

Discussing the Pacers' game patterns, Tim notes, [15:46] "Indiana Pacers are in a good spot now... They got stagnant in the second half."

7. Other Sports Insights

Tennis and NCAA:

Tony briefly touches on Novak Djokovic's victory at the French Open and Alex Condon's withdrawal from the NBA draft, noting their potential future impacts: [23:13] "It's a big deal. It is me. It is."

Historical References:

Tony reminisces about Ruben Rivera's infamous baserunning error, reflecting on the rarity of such mistakes in professional baseball: [21:09] "He tried to go from first to third on a fly ball... That's what you see. Not in the bigs so much."

8. Closing Remarks

As the episode wraps up, Tony and Mike exchange final thoughts on ongoing sports narratives, including the NHL's Oilers vs. Stars matchup and the Dodgers vs. Cubs dynamics. Tony humorously notes, [24:13] "All your Pardon the interruption is brought to you by Popeyes."

Mike concludes with a nod to future episodes: [24:17] "Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads."

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Notable Quotes:

• Tony Kornheiser [00:33]: "Snakes, spiders, emotional intimacy. I can't have that."
• Mike Wilbon [01:34]: "No. Of course he struggled. He was made to struggle."
• Tim Legler [13:39]: "Critical because of his physicality on Brunson."
• Tony Kornheiser [09:17]: "If he pitches like he did with the Angels, he's going to be the greatest baseball player of all time."

Conclusion:

In this episode of PTI, Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon engage in in-depth discussions covering the latest in the NBA, NHL, MLB, and NFL. With expert insights from Tim Legler, the hosts dissect team performances, player impacts, and strategic decisions, providing listeners with a comprehensive analysis of current sports events.

Transcript

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[Mike Wilbon]

Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's National Nothing to Fear Day. Tony, you fear anything.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm Tony Kornhausen. You know me well. Snakes, spiders, emotional intimacy. I can't have that.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah. It's a long list.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Mike Wilbon]

Best I remember. It's quite a list.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. And you know what? As you get older, it gets longer.

[Mike Wilbon]

Does it?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Because people get. You don't feel you got crazier as you got older?

[Mike Wilbon]

Meaner.

[Tony Kornheiser]

This is what I'm saying, meaner. The list of things that upset you get as you get older. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Hurricanes finally win. Shohei is heating up and Tim Leger joins us for five minutes. But we begin today with the Minnesota Timberwolves losing last night at home to Oklahoma City and digging themselves a three to one hole in this series. Minnesota's best player, Anthony Edwards, had 16 points on 13 shots. He went 1 of 7 on threes. Afterwards, Edwards said, and I quote, I don't really look at it like I struggled. I didn't struggle at all. I just made the right plays, unquote. Well, but I know how much you love him, but is that how you see this?

[Mike Wilbon]

No. Of course he struggled. He was made to struggle. Oklahoma City's defense made him struggle. And he's going to have to realize that at some point or another. Tony, you remember when there was a. A book that our friend Sam Smith wrote, the Jordan Rules, Jordan Rules. And what that started with was the rules that the Detroit Pistons defense put into play to stop, shut down, erase Michael Jordan. I have it on good authority that the defense that Oklahoma City was playing last night resembled that quite a bit on Ant man, who is not Jordan, but he could take over a game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I just want to make sure you're not comparing him to Jordan. Please don't do that.

[Mike Wilbon]

But Tony, there was one point in which you can see Kayson Wallace, who's going to be an all league defender, starts out on ant man like 75ft from the basket. He passes him off to Caruso, who was all league last year. He passes him off To Lou Dort, who's I voted for first, number one defensive player of the year. That was my vote. And then he gets passed off to jw. There's four seconds left in the shot clock and he's relieved ant man just to get the shot off. It's not about a decision. They made the decision for you. And his team's going to help do something about that, Tony. But no, he struggled and was forced to struggle.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. So we have a problem, he and I, about the definition of struggling. He took two shots in the first half. I think he had four points in two of the three games that Minnesota has lost. He has taken 13 shots and 13 shots. And. Okay, I'm going to grant that you know what you're talking about. And there's a special defense out there, but if that happens and you're the best player and. And you're playing at home, you have to do something different to win this game. Like, you have to get 10 to 15 assists, which would have won this game. And he had six assists. All right, now, the other part is if you are being doubled here or there or if you know that people are lurking to jump in on you here or there, right? Then you've got to do something other than what you're doing. And you also can't have five turnovers. You can't do that.

[Mike Wilbon]

Julius Randle had 10 turnovers. They can't have that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay? Right. So thank you for mentioning Julius Randle, who you said last week was the X factor in this series. I'm right in those same two, but it's the wrong X. In those same two games that I'm talking about, he had six points and five points, three for 18 from the floor and nine turnovers. He's killing Minnesota. So, I mean, you look at this, and I understand it may be pride talking that Anthony Edwards is saying, I didn't struggle at all. It may be pride, but you also have to play better defense, and you can't have four rebounds and no steals. Tony, where are you?

[Mike Wilbon]

Two things here. One, Minnesota better do something about Shea Gilge Alexander. Treat him like they are treating your star defensively. Put two people run a double at SGA every chance you get.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But Williams could then respond with 40 points.

[Mike Wilbon]

Okay, then you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm gonna make him better.

[Mike Wilbon]

He's 74 last, but he's the Scottie Pippen character, okay? He's Robin sga. If he beats me. If you beat me doing it that way, fine. So they're gonna have to do that. Tony here's the other thing. Remember Minnesota to me played a B plus, A minus game last night. They got 64 points from their bench. But Oklahoma City played an A game, straight A game last night.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Do you remember what I told you yesterday? Yeah, I told you I thought Oklahoma.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yes, I did.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I thought they were batching.

[Mike Wilbon]

I texted you last night and I gave you credit. Did I not appreciate that? You were right about that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But I did it publicly just now. You did it privately.

[Mike Wilbon]

Privately. It's just not good enough. No. Over in the NHL, the Hurricanes have been total no shows against the Panthers until last night. Carolina beat Florida 3. Nothing to snap that 15 straight loss streak in the Eastern Conference finals. The series now returns to Carolina with the Canes down three games to one. Tony, how much do you think the Canes can actually take from this single victory?

[Tony Kornheiser]

So that question does not exist in a vacuum. That question is going to be based on where they go from here in this series. If they win no more games or one more game, then they get cold comfort. Only that their statistical disaster in Eastern Conference finals is over. It stops at 15 with three sweeps and an 03. But that if they were to win two more, if they were to force a Game 7, that's a different story. As you well know, in the history of hockey, there are four teams that have gone from 03 and won a series. There's nobody in the NBA and there's a Boston Red Sox in baseball and that's all there are. But last year Edmonton was down three zero in the finals to Florida and four to game seven. So you walk out of there with a certain amount of pride. If you get to that point. If you get to that point, there are certain things that are hopeful signs for them. They scored first last night. Carolina is six. And oh, in these playoffs, when they score first, they have killed eight straight penalties. That's a big deal. Penalty killing is a big deal. And I want to get the goalie's name right.

[Mike Wilbon]

Anderson.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Frederick Anderson.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yes.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Pitched a shutout last night after being yanked in game two and benched in game three. So those are good signs.

[Mike Wilbon]

The good. This is one good sign to me. And I hear you about the scoring first and that's a fact. There's one good sign. Goaltending, as we know in the Stanley cup playoffs can change everything.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Everything.

[Mike Wilbon]

You can ride a goaltender like you ride a great horse and you can change a series. You can win a series even if everything else is subpar and your go. So the question is, how good is Anderson? Going to be. He only had to stop 20 shots last night, which is not a barrage. But he did it, I'll grant you that. Now is he settled in now? Are they going to be able to go to him and get the performance they got last night and not the one in game two because he was benched for game three? That's right to me, Tony, that's the thing that they have to hang their hats.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let me give you one other thing. And I know they lost early on this. Game five is in Carolina. If they get to seven, it's in Carolina. That matters less in hockey than in other sports. But it matters a little.

[Mike Wilbon]

Not. Not quite matters a little.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. Let's go to baseball. Last night, Shohei Ohtani hit the first pitch he saw for a home run. That is the second game in a row he has hit a leadoff home run. Ohtani now has 19 homers. That is the most in the majors. Aaron Judge did not hit a home run last night, but he went 1 for 2 and he raised his batting average to hello.398, best in the majors and 48 points clear of the second place hitter in the American League. Wilbon. These are clearly the two biggest stars in baseball. Who do you expect more from the rest of the way? Judger Ohtani?

[Mike Wilbon]

Tony Moore is a difficult word for me. I don't expect more from either. I expect them to continue on because they've shown us they can do this for entire seasons. Plural. Judge is not going to hit.400. He's not going to hit.395. He's going to come back to the pack a little bit. I think his career high, you know, was what is like 315 or 318. He's not a guy who's going to. He's not Tony Gwynn.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Mike Wilbon]

So he's going to come back. Ohtani is going to do what he does. He's hit.300 twice. But, you know, not, not again, not a 320 guy. But Ohtani can increase this. He can get to 310, 315. He's going to hit his 48 to 50 home runs. So I'm going to say to answer the question, it's Ohtani. I am not buying into any of this pitching stuff yet. He pitched batting practice. I could pitch batting practice. Celebrities go to baseball parks and they had Kevin Costner throws. Betting practice. I'm not swayed by that yet. Ohtani's gonna be great. Will he be a little greater than Judge the rest of the way? Marginally so to me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So here's where we disagree. Not on Ohtani. Cuz I expect more from Ohtani because I expect Ohtani to pitch and the pitching means a lot to me. When I watched it on television when he was pitching to the Dodgers and it was practice and it wasn't serious, but if you watched it, his curveball went, I don't know, five full feet and he hit 97 on the radar gun. And it wasn't just that the Dodgers were watching him, the Mets came out to watch him as well because he is a charismatic figure. So over the weekend, as you know, I watched so much sports on tv. I watched the basketball playoffs, I watched the hockey playoffs, I watched the Indy 500. I watched the senior PGA congressional. I watched the regular PGA stop. I dropped in on lacrosse in your honor. I dropped in on softball and stuff like that. The most exciting thing I saw, the most exciting thing was Ohtani throwing batting practice. I couldn't get enough of it because of this Mike. Because if he comes back to pitch this year and he pitches like he did with the Angels, he's going to be the greatest baseball player of all time. And if he comes back this year and pitches like he did with the Angels, the Dodgers have the best shot to be World Series champions. And they already have the best shot.

[Mike Wilbon]

They have the best shot anyway.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's right.

[Mike Wilbon]

They don't need you to pitch. That's right. What I saw at batting practice was guys hitting those pitches, those batting practice pitches. I'm sorry, they got, they made contact. I mean, I expect swinging and miss. If you're going to be that great and you're going to tell me that he's going to make a difference.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He swung and miss on a five foot curveball.

[Mike Wilbon]

I just saw a lot of contact for batting. It's batting practice. I'm not, I'm not going to diminish what I saw because his hitting, because of pitching, batting practice. Ohtani is the most dominant offensive player in the National League and he's got.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Mookie bets to help him and judge his Freeman. Right.

[Mike Wilbon]

But that lineup that the Dodgers have, Ohtani is going to be great enough if he doesn't go out there and throw a meaningful pitch.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All this season, did you see Judges Ops is 1.4. Ace, it's Barry Bonds. Yeah. I mean, what's not to like with Judge? But again, Ohtani pitches. So when Judge pitches, let me know and I'll watch. But Otani pitch.

[Mike Wilbon]

I want to mention just real quickly, Ohtani and Judge they don't lead the majors in runs batted in. Neither one of them.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not yet.

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, take a guess. I'll give you $1,000 right now if you tell me who leads. And they better not help you in your ear.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You got to go to break is all I heard. The Cubs guy, let's take a break. The Cubs guy, let's take a break. Coming up, Nia Suzuki why do the Knicks seem to be more effective with either Karl Anthony Towns or Jalen Brunson on the bench? We're going to ask Tim Legler.

[Mike Wilbon]

We'll also ask him what the Pacers could be missing if Aaron Neesmith is absent from or compromised in tonight's game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's dig back into the NBA playoffs with our great friend and I mean that, our great friend a long time ESPN NBA analyst Tim Legler.

[Mike Wilbon]

What is this, the 1990s? We've been doing this with Legler that long.

[Tim Legler]

Let's go over to the Cap center and do this segment.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's been a while.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Game four of the Nixon Pacers is tonight. Aaron Neesmith is likely a game time decision for Indiana with an ankle sprain. How important is Neesmith to what the Pacers do?

[Tim Legler]

Critical because of his physicality on Brunson. He fights over screens better than anybody. They have It's a big part of defending Jalen Brunson, so his size matters, obviously. His shooting matters. He had that moment and that once in a lifetime event in Game one. But aside from that, he's very important spacing the floor. However, I think there's an opportunity here for somebody else if he is limited or doesn't play in any way. Benedict Matheran has not inserted himself into this series at all. In fact, in the last five games, he's got 15 total points. It's a guy to average 17 points a game for the Pacers this year. I don't know what's going on with Benedict Matheran. He's due to bounce out of it. So there could be an opportunity there for him, at least from the scoring standpoint. But you're not replacing what N. Smith does defensively if he's out in this game.

[Mike Wilbon]

Let's go to the Knicks for a second because there are these numbers that, I don't know, maybe annoy me that show that the Knicks are better with either Brunson or Towns on the bench better than they are with both of them on the floor. Does this make sense to you? And if it does, how do you make sense of it?

[Tim Legler]

It does make some sense to me for this reason, when both out there together. First of all, it's a prime target to attack the both of them at the same time if you want to get ball screen going, because neither one of those guys are necessarily in the top half of the league at their position defensively, particularly defending ball screens, which the Pacer set a ton.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So.

[Tim Legler]

So Tyrus Haliburton can hand pick in this series who he wants to play against. When they're both out there together. It's a little harder when one of those guys is off the floor, particularly Towns. Offensively, it also, I think, affects Karl Anthony Towns. You saw what he did in the fourth quarter the other night when he was the primary option. He was the alpha. Everything went through him, top of the food chain. You see what he can do when he gets into a rhythm. It's a little harder with Brunson, the way that he plays. Not that he's not a great player, doesn't deserve all that freedom, but it does affect a guy like Towns. So I can see even their offensive numbers not being quite as good. So it does make some sense. The question for Tom Thibodeau, can you push the right buttons at the right time to stagger all of that with your seven or eight guys that you play to get another win? And even this up, we've seen the.

[Mike Wilbon]

Pacers in a very identifiable pattern. They win the first two games in a row in these series, they come home, they lose game three at home, but then they come back and win four and five. Does this pattern make sense and do you see it continuing?

[Tim Legler]

I think the Indiana Pacers are in a good spot now. Clearly you blow a 20 point lead and a chance to go up three zero, that's big. That's an emotional change. It feels different psychologically for the Knicks. If you look at the Indiana Pacers through three games, you ask Ricardo, what percentage of those minutes have you played? The style that's closest to your identity when you're at your best? He'd say a very high percentage of those minutes. They feel really good about what they can do offensively to the Knicks. They got stagnant in the second half. Too much dribbling, too much ISO, not as much ball movement, not as much player movement. That's when they're really good, when they're playing that way. Give the Knicks credit, they jumped on it, door got kicked open, they ran in the room. But the Pacers had some self inflicted moments. Offensively, overall, I think they're in a very good place because they're doing what they want in this series. On that end, I'll move to the.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Other series and get you out of here after I just say this. I know what you're saying about Towns and Brunson, but it's counterintuitive to us. Yeah, we just think, well, how can that be?

[Mike Wilbon]

How can it be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All right, so we move. What do you think the Timberwolves need to do differently to beat the Thunder tomorrow and for say game six in.

[Tim Legler]

Minnesota, put it all together on the same night, which they have not done one time in this series. Like so, you know, game one, Randle plays great, Anthony Edwards is just okay. And they can't make any threes. They move forward. Game two, then it's Anthony Edwards is great. Julius Randle doesn't give you anything. He gets benched in the fourth quarter. Role players still aren't making threes. Game three, they get the big win. Randalls and Edwards both play well. He makes the threes. It's a 42 point game. You can't take a whole lot from it. And then you go to last night, Anthony Edwards, fairly quiet, Randall, no show. So they haven't done it all. Both those guys have to play well on the same night. Role players make their share of threes. And if you had to clean up a couple things. You can't turn a ball over 23 times against this team and you can't give up 19 offensive rebounds. City is too good. It's really a miracle that Minnesota was in this game when you look at all of that laid out in front of you. But they had a chance to win it. So can they clean up that much in a road game in okc? That's going to be tough to follow up quickly.

[Mike Wilbon]

Wouldn't you want to run a double team at SGA at some point, given what OKC's defense is doing to Ant Man, Wouldn't you want to try the same thing with sga?

[Tim Legler]

I said it last night on our Outcast. That and I also think when he's off the floor and Jalen Williams becomes the primary guy, you need to have the exact same rules on Jalen Williams When Shay Gilgeous Alexander's on the bench and they don't, they treat him differently in some way. Like more casually. He took over that game and then Oklahoma City made a bunch of shots later because those two guys were in rhythm. Role players now are more relaxed when that happens. But I agree with you. You're going to have to come up with some different looks against both of those guys. There's a reason they won 68 games. None of this stuff is easy to.

[Tony Kornheiser]

See you here to have you.

[Mike Wilbon]

Great to have you.

[Tim Legler]

Thank you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Thank you. Let's take one last break. Still to come, Joey Bosa just joined the Bills and he's already injured. Of course he's injured. He got into walking out of the car.

[Mike Wilbon]

He's OTAs. And will the Stars even up things with the Oilers tonight?

[Tony Kornheiser]

We've never had a guest sit with us on this set.

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, when it was over there.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, over there. But we're not over there now. This is great.

[Mike Wilbon]

The viewer doesn't know whether we're here.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I just told the viewer we never had this.

[Tim Legler]

Maybe commemorated in some way. A little plaque or something.

[Tony Kornheiser]

A plaque? Yeah, we'll have something.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Happy time people. Happy 28th birthday Daniel Jones the Giants drafted Jones out of duke with a sixth overall pick in 2019. Jones started the quarterback early on and was playing productive as a rookie, completing 61.9% of his passes with 24 touchdowns, 12 interceptions. But Jones never really blossomed into the star the Giants hoped for. His overall record as a starter was 24:44 1, 2, 3 of the way through this past season, Jones was benched and asked for and received his release, catching on with the Vikings for a cup of coffee. Now Jones is in Indianapolis with a chance to compete for the starting job with another high draft choice, that disappointment, Anthony Richardson.

[Mike Wilbon]

Jones has been thrown out of a couple of places, yet his numbers, individual numbers, are nearly identical to those of Trevor Lawrence, who is still considered a franchise quarterback in Jacksonville and who you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Love more at Clemson than anybody ever loved him. Yes, not so Happy anniversary Ruben Rivera. On this day 22 years ago, the San Francisco outfielder was the subject of what Giants broadcaster John Miller believed was, quote, the worst baserunning in the history of the game. Rivera entered the game as a pinch runner in the bottom of the ninth of a 22 tie. Rivera tried to go from first to third on a fly ball to deep right center, but he retreated to second twice, once because he thought the ball was caught, and a second time because he missed second base on his way to third. Ultimately, Rivera was thrown out at home. The Giants released him a few days later on a positive note. Ribeira was on the 1996 world champion Yankees.

[Mike Wilbon]

He didn't just go back to second place, he tried to go back to first base. And that play happens in the Little League 100 times a summer. In one Little League. That's what you see. Not in the bigs so much.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Happy trails to Joey Bosa. Already the terrific but oft injured pass rusher signed this off season with the Bills, who announced today that he will likely be out until training camp after pulling a calf. Bose's teammate, running back James Cook, was a no show to today's voluntary OTAs. Cook wants a new Deal. After rushing for a thousand plus yards and making Pro Bowls in back to back seasons and scoring 18 touchdowns last year.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's a lot.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Falcons coach Raheem Morris said Kirk Cousins was absent from that team's voluntary OTAs.

[Mike Wilbon]

I know cousins has a no trade, but he'll get. He's gotta acquiesce. He's got. He needs to go and there are several places that can use him. I would so much rather have Kirk Cousins at this stage than Aaron Rodgers at this stage.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think, by the way, the Bill's running back ought to get a new team.

[Mike Wilbon]

He should.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's very productive. All right, we go to the big fish.

[Mike Wilbon]

Let's do it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Novak Djokovic beat your boy Mackenzie McDonald in straight sets in his first round match at the French Open. Is that significant?

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, maybe playing and winning in Geneva last week was significant for the joker. Texas coach Steve Sarko. Kesian wondered if we'll ever see another unbeaten national champion. What do you think?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think we will within the next two to three years. Well, why do you think we wouldn't so many games. I still think we will. The Cubs are on pace to be the first National League team to average six plus runs per game since the 1953 Brooklyn Dodgers. Will he keep that up?

[Mike Wilbon]

It's cold in Chicago still. It's in the 50s. Even though we're approaching June. It's going to get hot at Wrigley. Maybe they can keep it up. Need to. Alex Condon will withdraw from the NBA draft and return to Florida. Is that significant?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, it's significant if Florida is going to have a shot to repeat like the last group of Florida, which did repeat. Right. It's a big deal. It is me. It is. Last one, Stars and Oilers. Game four tonight. Who you got?

[Mike Wilbon]

Oilers. Score a lot of goals at home. Connor McDavid seems hot now. I'm going to stay with Oilers, so, you know I'm rooting for you've.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Been picking them all year.

[Mike Wilbon]

Last year, too.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We're out of time. We'll try and do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornhart.

[Mike Wilbon]

I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads. You know Pete Crowe? Armstrong is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Do you know he's a Cubs player?

[Mike Wilbon]

Mvp, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really? He's MVP ahead of Otoni?

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Really? No.

[Mike Wilbon]

Oh, yeah. Who scoreboard runs? Dodgers or Cubs?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, no, no, no, no, no.