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Remember, we're doing a stakeout here, Tom. We're not having extracurricular activities like you're in high school and you can't be in your parents home. This is serious stuff when you're on a stakeout with sur.
Tony Kornheiser
High school was so much fun. It was a hundred years ago, but it seems so much fun in the rearview mirror. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Victor Wembanyama isn't worried. Shohei does more Shohei things. And Buster only joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with the Knicks scoring the final 11 points of their playoff game against the spurs and winning by 10.105.95. Knicks came back from 13 points down in the fourth quarter and even though Jalen Brunson made only 12 of his 31 shots, he scored 13 points in the decisive fourth quarter and made five and nine shots in that quarter. Wilvine, you were there. What did the Knicks show you last night?
Mike Wilbon
Oh, the resolve of a veteran team that knows what it's doing or feels. It knows what it's doing and they get behind a leader and they don't have, I like to steel Perk's phrase, agenda free basketball. They are a team, Tony. They may not be yet. The quintessential team of your youth that the Knicks had and Walt Frazier himself compares those two teams to this one favorably. And as you know, Clyde's a tough critic. And I saw him last night walking out the door and asked him about it and he talked about Brunson and everybody's willingness and ability to coalesce around Jalen Brunson. And it was Brunson, Brunson, Brunson you mentioned in that lead in he didn't have a great Shooting night. He. He knew that. Talk to him after the game, Tony. When his knee was backed into, like a lineman in a scrum in a football game, you look at this, you go, oh, no, no, no. Don't tell me the playoffs are going to go up in flames, the finals. Because Jalen Brunson's now got to leave the court with his knee injury. And he says to his father, assistant coach Rick Brunson, who played in the league, his father looked at it and just sort of winced. And Jalen says, pop, give me a minute. And there are people on the team who didn't think, give me a minute was going to do it, but it did. And I asked Jaylen afterward. I'm like, did you see the replay of this? And he had not at that point. And I said, it's good. You didn't see the replay because it looked bad. And he comes back out, and of course, San Antonio, people think he was faking it to sort of, you know, take advantage of them, sucker them. No, he got plowed into, and he was great down the stretch. Like the most clutch player in the league that he is.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Do I really have to say this? Do I have to say out loud, I believe I had this. Do I have to say this? Do I have to remind you that I said there was no one on San Antonio who could stop Jalen Brunson? And do I have to remind you that you said there are four dudes on San Antonio and they have the best chance to stop them? Well, they didn't stop them. Even if he had a bad night statistically. Yeah. Yeah, he didn't stop him. Okay. I mean, he had 30 points. The last guy to get 30 points in the NBA Finals debut for the Knicks was Willis Reed. And you talk about Walt Frazier. Walt Frazier said last night that Jalen Brunson. Let me get this quote. He has the tenacity of Willis, and he's got Mike. Cool. What more could you ask of someone than to be like Walt Frazier and Willis Reed, right? He shot 39%. Yeah, I understand that he missed 19 shots, but he made the shots that mattered most. He hit the first shot of the game, the first three of the game, and he hit it to set the tone. And then he hit the most important three of the game with about 150 left from the right corner, in the corner, and he kept the ball alive, but an offensive rebound alive. And that made the score 97, 95 in favor of the Knicks. And that was, in effect, the dagger, because that was the beginning of the 110 run. Look, you're not going to know this because I didn't say it on the air yesterday, but in my notes I had this written down. If the Knicks win game one, all bets are off. Not game two, game one. Because I look at the Knicks as a team that cannot be caught and then passed. All right? I mean, they. They have won 12 in a row in the playoffs by an absurd margin of 272points. You know, and in the words of another New York champion and also quoting our friend David Remnick in the New Yorker, you gotta believe.
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I'm not into the believing. I just sort of like it that a Chicago boy is saving the Knicks ass right now. I love that. Let's focus now on Victor Wembanyama's night. The spurs Megastar finished with 26 points and 12 boards, but he missed 15 to 21, turned it over six times, and after the game he said, quote, I was bad tonight. It's not. Not more complicated than that.
Tony Kornheiser
Close quote.
Mike Wilbon
And then he added that he's not worried in the slightest about how his team will perform going forward. Tony, is that confidence well placed?
Tony Kornheiser
Well, I certainly think it's well placed today because there's no game today, but in general, I feel it is well placed. I think it is reasonable. I'll tell you why. He had a bad game. In Game 5 against Oklahoma City, he shot 5, 19 or something like that and 0 for 5 from 3, and he owned it. And he said he would be better and he was better. And then in Game 6, he was 10 for 21 from the field, four from nine from three, and the spurs won by 27. So he has that on his resume. Right? He's got that. He knows what he can do. There's no reason to believe they can't do that again in game two. But in game one, as you're saying, in his first game in the finals at home, even he missed 15 shots. He missed seven threes and he had six turnovers. Like he's a great player. I mean, we're not going to not say he's a great player, but I think you remember yesterday I said he was. It was going to be more problematic against Karl Anthony Townes and OG Anunoby than it was against Oklahoma City with Hardenstein. Yeah, it's just more problematic. And in fact, Towns turned to the basket and went to the rim a couple of times on him. And indeed, the Knicks outscored the spurs in the paint. What's my number here? 50 to 42. That's where Wembanyama's presence on defense, that's where his presence on defense is supposed to be felt. And then when you watch him on the other end, he'd be taking fade away 12 foot jump shots. Jalen Brunson, who you've come to Love, thankfully had 16 in the paint and Wembanyama only had eight.
Mike Wilbon
For the record, I love Jalen Brunson. Before you knew who the hell he was. Let's get that straight now. Secondly, when Banyama has trouble with Karl Anthony Towns, a big guy, no New Yorkers. I love New York. Let's get that straight too. So Karl Anthony Towns gives him problems. Tony does. You're right about that. Because Wimby's got to go out there and he's like, you got to guard Karl Anthony Towns. You have to guard everybody. You don't have to, you know, guard Hartenstein, you know, necessarily. And so it's a tough thing for what Carl Anthony Towns realized before the game, very cognizant of it and talked about it. And listen, here's the problem with San Antonio and this relates to Wimby. Wimby is we love his confidence in all that he's doing. But Tony, they need a veteran player they don't have. Harrison Barnes isn't really that guy. He's a nice fill in player, a nice player you want to have on your team, not a leader. Aaron Fox is not going to be the guy, Tony. No, he's not the kind of guy, a 10, 12 year guy, 14 year guy, who can go to Wimby and say, shut up, Brook, here's what we're going to do. A guy, like I said, like a Rasheed Wallace who could just go out, who has a little edge to him, a little crustiness to him, they don't have that guy. And I'm going to give the credit for this observation to Iman Shumpert, who I spent a long time talking to after the game, by the way, Shumpert became that guy with Cleveland later in his career. The spurs don't have that. They got a bunch of guys with peach fuzz. They don't have it. They got a 19 year old and a 20 year old and a 22 year old and that's their roster. So the spurs are missing that. The Knicks are not missing that. The Knicks are full of those guys. So the Knicks have an advantage there. I love Wimby's confidence. I don't know how it's going to translate in game Two, that's why they play the games.
Tony Kornheiser
He's very easy to root for because he takes criticism well and he is honestly self critical. He's not a phony at all. But he's right about this.
Mike Wilbon
That's right.
Tony Kornheiser
They're going to win. It's going to come down to him.
Mike Wilbon
Let's move the baseball.
Tony Kornheiser
And a couple of terrific pitching performances by a couple of pitchers have been terrific all season. Philadelphia's Christopher Sanchez extended his streak of innings pitch without giving up an earned run to 50 and 2/3 before finally being dinged for one earned in the seventh by the Padres. And Shohei Ohtani again through six shutout innings allowing just two hits to the Diamondbacks. His ERA is now 074. And by the way, Ohtani got on base five times. Wilbon, who had the more noteworthy pitching performance last night?
Mike Wilbon
God, Tony, as you know, they were both historic. And we knew this going into the action last night because we talked about it on yesterday's show. Which one we know was more intriguing for each of us. And I still, you got on me at the end of the show because I said I don't know. I don't know about this either. Oral Hershiser, really, I mean Oral did this at a time where you and I, when we went to the 84 Olympics, remember back then it was even pre oral a little bit and it was Valenzuela and you had one going into the other and the Dodgers had these pitching performances that were unreal and you kind of think well nobody's going to get to oral because like starting pitchers don't do as much now. They're not dependent on as much now. But man, what Sanchez did, when you start throwing oral in there, you're third or fourth all time. My God. But then Shohei, Shohei on base that many times and hardly anybody's done it, hardly anybody's gonna do it. Cuz people don't have that duality in their lives and their talent skill sets don't support it. If I have to answer, I think I'm gonna say Shohei. But you could convince me the other way. Cuz that was a historic chase that he fell short of.
Tony Kornheiser
I think it's hard for me to make this evaluation based just on last night because what Sanchez has done is stretched out over, it's remarkable. And stretched out over six starts, 50⅔ innings over six different starts, you know. But last night he passed a couple of guys you might be familiar with, Carl Hubbell and Bob Gibson. Those are pretty famous Guys, and he's third all time on this thing. But like you, if I had to isolate it to last night, I would probably say Shohei, because he goes six, he gives up no earned runs. His ERA at 074 is half of what Sanchez is. Sanchez is 14 6. His ERA through the first 10 starts of the year is third best in the live ball era. The only two with better are Jacob deGrom and Juan Marichal. Two pretty big names, but it's the hitting. He's on base five times, he scores a run. Look, he was hitting on May 11. This is a great number. He was hitting 233. We thought he was in a slump. Since May 11, he's hitting.457. He has 32 hits in his last 70 at bats. What's Sanchez batting? That's why it's Shohei, because what's Sanchez batting?
Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Let's take a break.
Mike Wilbon
Sanchez. Coming up, when you deal with Oral Hershiser in that streak and Drysdale and
Tony Kornheiser
on Drysdale and Drysdale.
Mike Wilbon
Dodgers and Drysdale.
Tony Kornheiser
Dodgers are built on pitching. Built on Jackie Robinson and pitching. Dave Roberts, speaking of the Dodgers, says the Dodgers have the trade capital to get Tarik Scuba. We'll ask Buster only about that.
Mike Wilbon
Uh oh. Uh oh. We'll also ask him how concerned the Yanks are about that Aaron Judge injury.
Tony Kornheiser
So wait, so you hate New Yorkers? I'm a New Yorker. Like all these years you've hated me.
Mike Wilbon
I know you and Stephen A really love you guys. You both very much.
Tony Kornheiser
Well, no. Well, who do you hate?
Mike Wilbon
You people. You people are.
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Tony Kornheiser
We have baseball questions for our great friend ESPN senior baseball writer and PTI farm bureau chief Buster Only before I get to the questions, Buster, the potatoes are in the dirt, the eyes are up. I am watering every day. Here we go. Dave Roberts told Bob Nightingale of USA Today that the Dodgers have the trade capital to go after Tarek Scubal. Where is Scubal most likely to end up
Mike Wilbon
now?
Buster Olney
For now, Tony, what the Tigers are telling interested team is teams is we are not trading at this point. They're not entertaining offers because they believe in a really terrible American League. They could get back in the race. If they don't, if they wind up trading him, I think he's going to wind up with one of two teams, the San Diego Padres, a team in need of a starting pitcher and they have a very aggressive general manager in AJ Preller or the Philadelphia Phillies. We know Dave Dombrowski, the head of baseball operations for the Phillies. He is a big game hunter when it comes to trade deadline. If school's traded, I bet you he winds up with one of those two teams.
Mike Wilbon
Wow, wow, wow. Padres Padres are coming right back after the Dodgers Commissioner Rob Manfred said yesterday Buster that he worries that labor negotiations could lead to a work stoppage. How real a threat is that in your mind?
Buster Olney
It is absolutely a real threat because the issue that they're fighting over, they're so diametrically opposed. The owners for the first time are asking for a salary cap in negotiations for the first time since 1994, 95 and the players, on the other hand, the association is saying no, we will not accept a salary cap. So they are entrenched. And as it was in 94 95, the question comes down to who blinks first in that issue in 1994 95. At that time it was the owners who blinked first after they lost a key legal decision in the spring. See, if this time around it's different. If the players are the first ones to blink, wow.
Mike Wilbon
Seems like that's what we're headed for. It seems almost inescapable. We'll get back to on field stuff. Aaron Judge has missed three straight games for the Yanks. How concerning at this point is that injury?
Buster Olney
It's very concerning. Look, there's a real possibility that Aaron Judge is going to wind up on the injured list. He's still talking with specialists. The Yankees haven't announced exactly what they're going to do with him. But the fact Is is that since 2020, when Judge is out of lineup, it's a completely different team. Since that time when he's in the LineUp, there are 138 games over.500. When Judge is out of the lineup, The Yankees are eight games under.500. Now, I do think this year's team is better equipped to deal with his absence because you have Ben Rice, an MVP candidate. You have a really strong rotation, Garrett Cole, Cam Schlitler. But if judges out, they're clearly going to miss him.
Tony Kornheiser
That's an amazing statistic. You would not think in a nine man team situation that one guy would have anywhere near that. That's all right. Okay, let me get you out of here on this. You have said that the Red Sox are looking for a righty bat, but it looks like they have found a Lefty starter in 23 year old Peyton Tolle, who beat the Orioles last night. Who is this guy?
Buster Olney
All right, Tony. You know, baseball has a long standing tradition of left handers who are known to be a little quirky. Well, Peyton Tolle, and I say this with all great respect and affection, is a classic left hander. He has a great sense of humor, but he'll do things like in yesterday's press conference, joking around with reporters during the game when there's a bouncer over his head he has no chance of grabbing. He's leaping in the air like he's going to be be able to glove it. And in spring training, when Alex Cora, then the Red Sox manager, asked him to do a presentation on the history of the United States, Peyton Tolle somehow worked in hot dog eating champion Joey Chestnut into it and finished it off by unveiling his shaved chest. Hairy chest with USA in the middle of it.
Mike Wilbon
Right.
Buster Olney
The organization that gave us Bill Spaceman Lee has given us Peyton Tolley. And we should be thankful for this.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I saw him in a post game interview. His shoulders and arms, he's jacked. That guy's big. Thank you, Buster. Thank you.
Mike Wilbon
Thanks, Buster. Appreciate it.
Buster Olney
Thanks, guys.
Tony Kornheiser
Let's take one last break. Still to come, a qualifier makes the French final, the French Open final a qualifier, which is crazy.
Mike Wilbon
Don't recognize the French Open at all. And will the Hurricanes bounce back against the Golden Knights tonight in game two?
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, well, the guy who went to leap the Gaitoli like he got, I don't know, three inches off the ground as the ball was over his head was funny.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 69th birthday, Tony Pena Pena was the first catcher I ever remember sticking one leg out for full when the pitch was coming. Everybody else stayed in a squat position. Pena changed the rules for catchers, it seems. Pena was in the majors for 18 years, most notably with the Pittsburgh Pirates, where he was picked for the All Star team four times out of the five times he made the team and where he won three of his four Gold Gloves. Pena also played for the Cardinals, the Red Sox, Cleveland, the Chicago White Sox and Houston. He was a.260 lifetime hitter, but hit.338 in 29 posts season games. Pena was also Managers of the Year in Kansas City in 2003.
Mike Wilbon
Wow, Tony, I got one name for you. Just you. Momentarily. You probably forgot the great Manny Sanguin had that leg out there even before Pena on the same team in Pittsburgh. But those are the only. I mean, those are the two. It's theirs, right?
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, Happy Anniversary. Kyler Murray on this day eight years ago, Murray was drafted by the Oakland A's, was with the ninth overall pick in the baseball draft. Murray signed a deal for four and a half million dollars. The A's agreed to let Murray play one more year of college football and he subsequently won the Heisman Trophy, became the number one overall pick in the football draft and said goodbye to baseball and the A's. Murray was Rookie of the Year in the NFL, but his career devolved to where the Cardinals released him after last season. He has Signed a one year deal with the Minnesota Vikings and maybe it'll work out great. But don't you have to wonder if he wonders if he made the right career choice?
Mike Wilbon
You know, I used to root for Murray when he was with the Cardinals all those years. I can't root for him now in Minnesota. I've grown to hate Minnesota nearly as much as the packers just because everybody's crowned them in a bunch of networks and they haven't done squat to be crowned, by the way. 50 years ago today, Tone. Gar Herd hit shot heard round the world. I know you remember.
Tony Kornheiser
You hate everybody, Mike. You hate everybody at this point. Happy trails. Russell Wilson, the quarterback, announced yesterday that he's hanging it up to join the NFL today on CBS. The 37 year old has struggled often his last few seasons, but let's not forget how great he was for so long. Wilson made 10 Pro Bowls, won a Super bowl in 2013 where the Seahawks would have won another the following year if not for Malcolm Butler's goal line interception. He's the only quarterback in history with more than 5,000 rushing yards and 40,000 passing yards. You want to make his case quickly for the hall of Fame, Mike?
Mike Wilbon
Tone, you just did. Largely. And 10 Pro bowl appearances. He's got. He's more qualified than people who are already in the hall at that position. So this should be a slam dunk. But knowing that room a little bit, it won't be.
Tony Kornheiser
All right, let's go to the big finish. The Padres cut outfielder Nick Castellanos one day after he received a video tribute in his return to Philadelphia. Your thoughts?
Mike Wilbon
He's a hitter who wasn't hitting. Tone. 191. Just four home runs for the Padres. Two bad. Qualifier Maya Haleeinska will face teenager Mira Andreeva for the Women's French Open title. What? You know both of them? Break it down.
Tony Kornheiser
I don't know them at all. Whatever happened, people I've heard of. I mean, God bless for the winner. Sure. The Memorial Golf Tournament is underway. Any takeaways from so far?
Mike Wilbon
No, Tone. It's early on. I'll pay attention to the weekend as we run up to the US Open Stanley Cup Final. Golden Knight to Canes. Game two tonight. Who you got?
Tony Kornheiser
I'm inclined to actually take Vegas. Am I crazy? I know Carolina's been great, but I'm inclined towards Vegas. Last one. Texas can take the softball title tonight with a second straight win over Texas Tech. Do you like their chances?
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, as long as I don't have to root for Steve Sarkeesi. And I guess I'm okay.
Tony Kornheiser
We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knucklehead.
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Date: June 5, 2026
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser, Michael Wilbon
Special Guest: Buster Olney
This episode of PTI centers on the Knicks’ dramatic comeback in Game 1 of the NBA Finals against the San Antonio Spurs, highlighted by Jalen Brunson’s clutch fourth-quarter performance. Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon break down the game, discuss Victor Wembanyama’s night, and touch on baseball’s biggest recent feats, including Shohei Ohtani’s continued excellence. Buster Olney joins for “Five Good Minutes” to discuss MLB trade rumors, the potential for a work stoppage, and updates on the Yankees and Red Sox. The show wraps with quick hits on the day’s headlines.
[01:03–05:07]
“He has the tenacity of Willis and he’s got my cool. What more could you ask...” – Tony Kornheiser quoting Walt Frazier ([03:05])
“He made the shots that mattered most. ... That was, in effect, the dagger, because that was the beginning of the 11-0 run.” – Tony Kornheiser ([04:02])
“If the Knicks win Game 1, all bets are off… I look at the Knicks as a team that cannot be caught and then passed.” – Tony Kornheiser ([04:31])
[05:07–09:14]
“I was bad tonight. It’s not more complicated than that.” ([05:32])
“He’s not worried in the slightest about how his team will perform.” ([05:33])
“They need a veteran player they don’t have. ... The Spurs are missing that. The Knicks are not missing that. ... The Spurs are missing a guy with a little crustiness to him; they got a bunch of guys with peach fuzz.” ([08:14])
“The Knicks outscored the Spurs in the paint, 50 to 42. That’s where Wembanyama’s presence on defense is supposed to be felt.” ([06:34])
[09:15–12:14]
“It’s the hitting. ... What’s Sanchez batting? That’s why it’s Shohei.” – Tony Kornheiser ([12:07])
“Hardly anybody’s gonna do it. ... People don’t have that duality in their lives” ([10:33])
[14:03–18:40]
[14:03–15:09]
“...if Skubal’s traded, I bet you he winds up with one of those two teams.” – Buster Olney ([14:54])
[15:09–16:11]
“It is absolutely a real threat.” ([15:26])
[16:11–17:07]
“Since that time, when he’s in the lineup, they are 138 games over .500. ... When Judge is out ... eight games under .500.” ([16:48])
[17:07–18:29]
“The organization that gave us Bill Spaceman Lee has given us Peyton Tolle. And we should be thankful for this.” – Buster Olney ([18:21])
[20:12–23:57]
“I can’t root for him now in Minnesota.” ([21:43])
“Let’s not forget how great he was for so long. ... 10 Pro Bowls, won a Super Bowl ...” – Tony Kornheiser ([22:04]) “He’s more qualified than people who are already in the Hall.” – Mike Wilbon ([22:35])
“A qualifier makes the French final—a qualifier, which is crazy.” – Tony Kornheiser ([18:40])
“He has the tenacity of Willis, and he’s got my cool. What more could you ask of someone than to be like Walt Frazier and Willis Reed, right?” ([03:05])
“They need a veteran player they don’t have. ... They got a bunch of guys with peach fuzz.” ([08:14])
“It is absolutely a real threat because ... the owners for the first time are asking for a salary cap ... and the players ... are saying no.” ([15:26])
“What’s Sanchez batting? That’s why it’s Shohei.” ([12:07])
“The organization that gave us Bill Spaceman Lee has given us Peyton Tolle. And we should be thankful for this.” ([18:21])
Kornheiser and Wilbon’s signature back-and-forth—filled with playful digs and nostalgia—pervades the episode. From Wilbon’s pride in Brunson’s “Chicago” roots to their ongoing argument about New Yorkers, the rapport is sharp but amiable.
This PTI episode delivers a thorough breakdown of the Knicks’ Game 1 win, insightful comparisons to Knicks legends, candid talk on Victor Wembanyama’s playoff learning curve, and animated baseball analysis—especially of Ohtani’s uniqueness. With Buster Olney’s expert MLB insights and the hosts’ trademark wit, it’s both an in-depth and entertaining recap of the day’s hot sports stories.