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Mike Wilbon
After Zoomie's at the dog park, it's time for drive up at Target. In goes a big bag of kibble and one squeaky chicken toy for the good boy. Drive up. That's ready when you are. Only in the Target app. Just tap Target. Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbot. It's been a long time since Tony and I host it from the studio. I wonder if anybody even goes there anymore.
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Frank Isola
I'm Frank Isola. I do. And I had to dust the place off. Oop.
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Mike Wilbon
Mike.
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Frank Isola
You guys gotta clean this place up. It's a mess.
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Mike Wilbon
Come on now.
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Frank Isola
There was a Diet Coke. Half the bottle was still there. It was open. Ants walking around.
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Mike Wilbon
It's 95 degrees there. 95% humidity. Thunderstorms every day.
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Frank Isola
Sorry, that's that time of year.
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Mike Wilbon
I'll just stay here in the desert where it's 113 with no clouds.
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Frank Isola
The lovely east coast northeast corridor, as we call it.
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Mike Wilbon
And welcome to pti. The old grump has the day off, so I am pleased to be join joined by our great friend, the co host of the starting lineup on SiriusXM, Mr. Frank Isola.
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Frank Isola
There we go. See, these guys need to clean up.
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Mike Wilbon
Stronger than summer vacate. Let's start, of course, with baseball's trade deadline. Among a flurry of deals to stand out, the Mariners landed coveted third baseman Gino Suarez from the Diamondbacks for three prospects. And the Astros got back All Star shortstop Carlos Correa in a deal with the Twins. This time, Korea is going to play third base back in Houston. Frank, which of these deals do you see being more immediately impactful?
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Frank Isola
It's amazing. I think one has something to do with the other. There was talk of Correa maybe going to the Yankees. They could use a little shortstop help there. I love what the Mariners did, you know, in a span of a week, they got the corner infield of the Arizona Diamondbacks. You get Josh Naylor and. And then of course, you make the trade for Suarez, Adam to align it with Julio Rodriguez, and of course, Cal Raleigh. So they got a powerful lineup.
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Mike Wilbon
I mean, He's.
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Frank Isola
He's got 36 home runs, 87 RBI. Suarez does. So you have a powerful lineup. You got the pitching, you have the bullpen. And when you're the Mariners and everyone is kind of going for it now, Mike, because the expanded playoffs, everyone believes, or half the league believes have a chance. But when you're the Mariners, forget about winning a World Series. They've ever been to the World Series. The last time you were in the ALCS was 24 years ago, so you need to make moves like this. This fan base deserves it. That great stadium they have deserve it, deserves it. And clearly I like the move that they made. But remember, they're five games behind Houston. So Houston, with all the injuries that they've had this year, I mean, they've been decimated. The fact that they're five games up on Seattle says a lot.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, listen, the natural tendency, I think when you look at Suarez going there, as long as his finger is okay, he doesn't have to miss a lot of time, or he doesn't slump badly and move off the form that had him hitting a trillion home runs the first half of the season. It's the tendency to say Seattle. But you know what, Frank? Houston just makes the right moves so frequently, whether. Whether it's development of minor league prospects or signing a free agents or trades. And the thing about bringing back Correa. Look, I know it's been four years. He wasn't even on the most recent championship team. He was on that team in 17. But Correa could walk in that clubhouse and this is something only the executives and talking to their senior players, their vets on that team could understand. He could walk in that clubhouse and that place could really jump. You hear players all the time talk about the boost in energy they often get at the trade deadline. I don't want to underestimate that for Houston with Correa. Even while we're looking at Suarez going, whoa, Seattle's lineup is loaded because it is loaded. But I can't. I want to see those two go back and forth a little bit. Now before we make up our minds on who won this pre trade line.
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Frank Isola
Dealing, Seattle has ground to make up right now. They're tied for that third wild card spot with Texas. They start a four game series tonight, which will be big. One thing about Suarez going to the team with Cal Raleigh, it's only the second time in baseball history, as we know. That's a long time. We're entering Aug. 1, a team has had two guys with at least 35 home runs. The other time you might remember this.
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Mike Wilbon
And Garrick.
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Frank Isola
Nope. 1961, two guys by the name of Marison Mantle. How about that?
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Mike Wilbon
I was close.
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Frank Isola
That's that pretty good. Beyond Suarez, we had a number of notable names changing teams. Among them. Get ready, folks. Pirates closer David Benoit heading to the Yankees. A's closer Mason Miller going to the Padres. Nats closer Kyle Finnegan to the Tigers. Guardian starter Shane Bieber to the Blue Jays, that's a big deal. Twins Harrison Bader and closer Johan Duran heading to the Phillies. And Cards reliever. Here we go, Mets Ryan Helsley and Orioles center fielder Cedric Mullins to Queens. Mike, which feels biggest to you?
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Mike Wilbon
Wow, the Mets. Hell is the ancestry Mullens. You know, when you get that center field and all he does is jump over walls and snatch back home runs. Look, the Mets. Look, the Yankees, the Mets, the Blue Jays, the Phillies. I mean, those teams all are in there, but I'm going to go off script a little bit and say the San Diego padres. How about A.J. preller? How about. Yeah, how about the fact that he goes out and, you know, they got the best bullpen anyway, and he gets Mason Miller, you know, the former A's, now former A's closer, his closer, to come in and add to that bullpen. And I like this for the Padres because, look, they're staring down the Dodgers, and the Dodgers seem to be teetering maybe more than a little bit. Maybe the Dodgers are teetering a lot. But if you're the Padres and you have both been eliminated by and eliminated the Dodgers in recent postseason play, and you got to deal with that 140 miles or whatever it is, and that rivalry and Prelor, who tends to go for it anyway, is going for. I love that. I know all the attention will be on the east coast teams and there is outside pressure on every one of those teams. Maybe not Toronto as much to get it done, but I love what the Padres have done. Frank.
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Frank Isola
And the Padres just swept the Mets there. You know, they've won five in a row. They're only three back of L. A. You know, we think of the Dodgers, the money that they invest are going to run away with everything. Well, they're only three, right? Absolutely. It's interesting, I remember thinking back, it was about six years ago in the ESPN studio up in New York. We sat around on this day waiting for the trade deadline. The last trade that came in, it was one of the few ones of that day, was Zach Greenke, and he was going from the Diamondbacks. I forget where I think it was to the Astros. And that was the starting pitcher. Think about the relievers and the closers we just rattled off. This is what the sport has become. It's really about, you know, the sixth, seventh, eighth. And of course, those last three outs, which are the toughest three outs to get. I like what the Mets did because you still have Edwin Diaz, who's outstanding, but for the Phillies, 16 blown saves by five different pitchers, that's fourth most in the NL, they're going for it this year. You're adding a guy in Duran, that number one comes out, he's got a great walk up song. You think? You're not the only one with a great walk up song. Mike Duran has one too. He throws 102 mile an hour fastball, devastating curveball. What the Phillies did was important. So the Phillies and the Mets neck and neck, both adding to their bullpen because that, that's what baseball has become. It's like home runs and bullpen.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, yeah, bullpen. A word that you know, I was never in love with growing up.
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Frank Isola
No.
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Mike Wilbon
And now I've had to get used to it. Let's move to the drama between Jonathan Kaminga and the Golden State Warriors. The young vet scorer has reportedly rejected a two year, $45 million offer from the team because the second year is a team option and he would have to surrender his no trade clause. Sources tell Shams and Anthony Slater that those provisions cede too much power to a team that Kaminga feels has stunted and strung his career along for four seasons. Ouch. Frank, what should happen here?
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Frank Isola
You know, it's interesting with Jonathan Kaminga, the Brooklyn Nets are going through it with Cam Thomas as well. This was not the year to be a restricted free agent because usually you might have 8, 9, 10 teams with a lot of money. Your agent, you have a good agent, he gets you a big deal. And whether or not your existing team matches it or you move on, you're going to get a big contract. And Jonathan Kaminga, who's still a young player now, he didn't play a lot this year, 22. And you know, he talks about, you know, the warriors stunting his growth. The warriors are trying to win. They do have a veteran team. So if they felt they could contribute, I think he'd be playing more. You are playing behind Draymond Green. So unless you're going to play Draymond at center for a few minutes a night, coming is not going to play much. He's eventually going to get traded. And you know that the warriors, they're the one team that has not made a move this offseason. So I still think at some point there'll be some kind of sign and trade. I look at Miami, who's thinking that we could go for it in the Eastern Conference. So I expect Kaminga to be on the move. The biggest problem that Kaminga had this year was that this was not the year to be a restricted free Agent.
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Mike Wilbon
Well, he's got that. And he also has the problem of Jimmy Butler coming in, taking minutes. I mean, that's, that's even bigger than anything with Draymond was Jimmy. But you could see just the way he would sort of wilt body language. Frank. I remember being around the warriors right when that happened, when Jimmy Butler got there, and you think, oh, Kaminga, and he's 22 and there's certainly still some insecurity there, even though he has a championship ring. I too think the warriors should just find a deal. There are too many teams out there in this wing obsessed NBA culture that we live in who could use somebody like Kaminga, who now has to spend the next few years saying to everybody who will listen, particularly his old team. I'm going to show you. That ought to create some sort of bump for him. I think a one landing spot in Chicago, maybe. How about for Vuch? Don't the warriors need a big who can pass and shoot and rebound and vouch is that he's worn out his time in Chicago? Not that his fault, but I'll take Kaminga.
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Frank Isola
There's been talk about Vucevich. If they can't trade him, they would buy him out. So maybe that's a way to try to scare the warriors maybe into trying to do something. But I think, I think you're 100% right. What's interesting too about Kaminga, you think about him and Wiseman. So the war has had these high picks. Have they really panned out? It kind of a little bit of Darko in Detroit, where, you know, juvenile. Well, I mean, when you have, when you're picking that high, you want to hit. They didn't hit with Wiseman, that's for sure. No, but if they trade Kaminga, they have a chance to be just as old as the Clippers. I mean, how about some of those teams? Yeah, like everyone's getting younger. They're getting older. Exactly.
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Mike Wilbon
This is to take back Vuch.
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Frank Isola
Yep.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm stumping for that deal. Let's take a break. We're coming up. The Chargers and Lions kick off preseason football tonight. Should we be more bullish on Jim Harbaugh or Dan Campbell this coming season?
- [11:13]
Frank Isola
And Daryl More is stirring it up. Is he right that the Lakers bubble title deserves an asterisk? What do you think, Mike? Northwestern guys stirring it up, causing issues. Pardon the interruption is brought to you by. McDonald's.
- [11:37]
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Frank Isola
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Mike Wilbon
Time to spank Frank and toss up.
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Frank Isola
What's first?
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Mike Wilbon
Toss up.
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Frank Isola
They face off at tonight's hall of Fame game. Which coach are you more bullish on this season, Jim Harbaugh or Dan Campbell?
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Mike Wilbon
This is pretty fascinating, Frank, and I'm not a big preseason football fan. You know the Chargers. It's not like you're going to look out there and see Justin Herbert started. You're going to start. Trey Lance and the Lions don't start their starters in these games. In these preseason games, Dan Campbell, of course, is losing or has lost Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn all right to the Bears and Jets, respectively. Harbaugh though it looks like this is on Harbaugh and Justin Herbert. I know lad McConkey's a fresh face from last year as a rookie. Omarion Hampton is a beast of a draft pick running back that you might look up and say, whoa, this guy's Having a hell of a rookie year because Harbaugh wants to run the ball. He's a powerful guy. Powerful back from North Carolina, I think I'm going to say Harbaugh. And I'm not hating on a division rival, even though I could hate on a division rival of my Bears. I just think Harbaugh was 116 last year. Justin Herbert, it's time they're moving on up.
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Frank Isola
Yeah. And that 116 record, think about it. Only the Chiefs, the Bills and the Ravens had more wins in the afc. So the charges. And I'm not worried about Harbaugh. He's already proven what he could do on the both levels. Went to the. Went to a Super bowl with the 49ers. Now, you mentioned, you know, the coordinator has gone from Detroit now with Kelvin Shepard replacing Aaron Glenn and John Morton replaces Ben Johnson. You have that dynamic there. And they led the league in points per game. They averaged 33 points. Detroit did. But if you're Dan Campbell and you love him, you'd love to play for him. There's a lot to like. But a couple of years ago, they should have beaten the 49ers in the NFC Championship game, but you want to give them a pass. Oh, they're finally in the NFC Championship game. You don't expect Detroit to be there. Then last year, look at what happened. They lose at home to, you know, to Washington. That's. And you have home field advantage throughout the playoffs. So a lot more pressure on Detroit. It's almost as if the Chargers get a little bit of a pass because they're in the same division Chiefs. So you're almost willing to give them another year. But Detroit, it's like win now for that right now.
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Mike Wilbon
Yep, it is. Frank, I'll agree to you real quickly. That division in the AFC west, you got Denver coming, you got Kansas City, you got Pete Carroll and the Raiders. And I mean, look, Even if they're 8 and 9 team, they're going to bother you and they can steal some division games. So both of those are pretty good. Let's not get crazy with the preseason result from tonight. What's next?
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Frank Isola
Toss up the Lakers bubble title asterisk or no asterisk?
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Mike Wilbon
You know, this comes from Darrell Morey saying, yesterday we talked about this briefly, Frank, that executives. He wasn't saying this himself necessarily.
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Frank Isola
Yes.
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Mike Wilbon
But executives throughout the league and, you know, we, we both talk to a ton of people, they look at this and say, the bubble championship, come on. Now, look, I don't think it deserves an asterisk I don't. I think it was so difficult. It was difficult in a different way. I mean, people can say, oh, you didn't have to go on the road and win. Well, you didn't get any home games either. And I just think this nitpicking. They all had the same conditions. The conditions were never more identical for a team. People forget just how hard it was to grind through that whole season with COVID All the real. The serious concerns people had in their personal and professional lives. No, no asterisk to me. If anything, I remember thinking at the time, I want to give these guys an extra hug just for getting this thing done in extraordinary circumstances.
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Frank Isola
It's hard to believe it's five years ago already. You know, I think. I think Daryl More is putting that Northwestern education to good use there. He's being very passive aggressive because he's right. He would have said, no, it's legitimate. What I always found interesting about that championship and I think with LeBron, because, you know, he gets judged probably a lot harshly than a lot of other players do, and it's always a comparisons to Michael Jordan. So when everyone's trying to dismiss that championship, he would come out and say, it's the hardest one I ever had to win. It's like LeBron. You were once down 3:1 to the team that won the most regular seasoning games in history. The Golden State wars coming back and winning that. Having to win a game five on the road and a game seven is bigger than winning a bubble championship. I know. No doubt I've marked the bubble championship. I've had Jeanie Buss want to chop my head off for doing that. But you're right, every team could have won it. Every team had a chance. It was weird, it was unique. I get it. But it's still a championship. 20, 30 years. Remember Greg Popovich? You know, he and Phil Jackson used to go back and forth because Phil said the same thing about the 99 championship that San Antonio won in the lockout shortened season. Yes. In the year without Jordan.
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Mike Wilbon
Nah, I'm not Darryl. I'm not siding with my man Darryl Morey, Mr. Wildcat, on this. We're both purple, but we're going to park company in that opinion. That's it. We're gonna take one last break. Still to come, Jaden Daniels says something that should make Washington fans smile.
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Frank Isola
And Lionel Messi delivers more magic in the opening of the league's cup last night in Miami. Two pretty good goals.
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Mike Wilbon
LeBron's got a lot of titles to have to defend.
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Frank Isola
I know.
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Mike Wilbon
I mean defend late.
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Frank Isola
Three coming back.
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Mike Wilbon
No three.
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Frank Isola
One down is pretty good.
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Mike Wilbon
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- [18:58]
Frank Isola
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Mike Wilbon
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Frank Isola
So you can lose more.
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Mike Wilbon
Sweat and raise your game. Gatorade is it you?
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Frank Isola
The McDonald's snack wrap is back.
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Mike Wilbon
You brought it back.
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Frank Isola
Ranch snack wrap.
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Mike Wilbon
Spicy snack wrap. You broke the Internet for a snack Snack wrap is back.
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Frank Isola
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Mike Wilbon
Time to get Happy, people. Happy 39th birthday. Evgeny Malin Malkin is perhaps the the most overlooked star of the past 20 seasons. Playing in the shadow of Sid Crosby, of course. In 19 seasons with the Penguins, Malkin has scored 514 goals, won three Stanley Cups, led the NHL in scoring twice, and took home the Hart Trophy as MVP in 2012. He recently decided to return to Pittsburgh for a 20th season, though the team is not expected to offer him a deal beyond that. Malkin has said multiple times Pittsburgh is the only franchise he wants to play for in his NHL career.
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Frank Isola
You know those 514 goals? Second among Russian players that have played in the NHL. Obviously Ovechkin is first. I was in Pittsburgh in May and over the last 50 years, all the great players that they've had, only two guys with their number retired. Lemieux Jagr. One day. Evgeny Malkin, his number will be up there one day.
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Mike Wilbon
Malkin absolutely has to be. Happy anniversary. Dick Allen. This is posthumous. But on this day, 53 years ago, the then White Sox star hit not one, but two inside the park home runs against Burt Blythe 11 of the Twins. Allen would go on to win AL MVP that year. Eight seasons after winning NL Rookie of the Year with the Phillies, he was finally inducted into the hall of Fame Sunday. His widow told the story of a 16 year old asking Allen for an autograph once. But Allen said he'd prefer to shake the kid's hand. They stayed friends. And that teenager, now 70 years old, was in attendance at the induction.
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Frank Isola
Yeah, it was a great story. I always think about that era. He feels like he was one of the most underrated players from that era. And the two inside the park home runs. Mike. It's only happened one time since 1986. Final day of the regular season. Greg Gagne of the Minnesota Twins wins two. You got to win two. The winning pitcher, Burt Bly. Level. How about that? Trying to bring it all connection.
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Mike Wilbon
Hall of Famer Happy trails to last night's game for Atlas. The Liga MX team was tied at one with Inter Miami in last night's Leagues cup match when Lionel Messi engineered a beautiful goal with seconds left in stoppage time, eventually setting up Marcelo Wigant for the game winner. Messi now is the scored or assisted on 21 of Inner's last 27 goals. It was Messi's first game since the MLS suspended him for skipping the All Star Game. And he said afterward, quote, even if rest seems better for me, it's worse because I need to compete.
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Frank Isola
You know what? I actually watched this game last night. The two goals were amazing. So his teammate from Argentina, Rodrigo De Paul, made his debut. He was playing in Spain, so he's got all his buddies there and everything that these guys have won, they're playing in like a tournament that was invented a year ago. You don't believe how excited they were after the game. So it's not only that Messi plays great emotionally. He's really excited, he's enthusiastic.
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Mike Wilbon
We're right on the show, Frank. We got to get to the big finish. No more soccer talk. Shohei Ohtani so left last night. Start early in the third due to cramping in his right hip. Your thoughts?
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Frank Isola
As long as some not elbow shoulder, I'm okay with it. He stayed in the game as a dh. He went over five the day before. Struck out four times. Washington quarterback Jaden Daniels says there's a night and day difference in his game from last year's training camp to this year. Does that make sense?
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Mike Wilbon
I don't want to hear any training camp promises. I don't want to hear August promises. The season will tell. The Bengals signed former Seahawks tight end Noah Fant. That significant?
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Frank Isola
Yes, because Joe Burrow is going to be throwing the ball. Every Cubs player will wear number 23 on Saturday in honor of Ryan Sandberg. Your thoughts?
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Mike Wilbon
I think they ought to wear the.
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Frank Isola
Rest of the season.
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Mike Wilbon
Maybe next season with ryan Sandberg. Last one. Yamin Lamine. Yamal scored twice in Barcelona's win over FC Soul. I know you're impressed.
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Frank Isola
18 days ago he turned 18 and he's one of the best players in the world. We're out of time. Thanks for watching. I'm Frank Isola.
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Mike Wilbon
Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads. Tony Graves, thank you for 17 years of making Tony and me look good. Thank you.
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Frank Isola
Congratulations, Tony Pti. You've seen the headlines, heard the debates. The three point ball has created a.
- [23:55]
Mike Wilbon
Monotonous rhythm to the game.
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Frank Isola
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