More About Eagles or Chiefs?

Summary

PTI – "More About Eagles or Chiefs?"

Hosts: Tony Kornheiser & Michael Wilbon
Date: September 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon tackle major storylines from the NFL’s second week, headline injuries, the Eagles’ statement win over the Chiefs, and troubling trends for powerhouse and struggling franchises alike. The duo also covers college football’s shake-ups and memorable moments from the sports weekend, all in their trademark style of wit, debate, and spirited banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Joe Burrow’s Injury and Its Repercussions

Segment Start: [00:42]

• Topic: Joe Burrow will miss three months due to turf toe surgery after being injured in Cincinnati’s win over Jacksonville.
• Wilbon: Declares the Bengals “doomed,” noting they can’t win without Burrow, even though the supporting cast has high value.

  “I know they won yesterday. I know they're two and oh, but I don't believe they're any good without Burrow.” [01:15]

• Tony: Agrees, describing Burrow as essential, both on the field and as the team’s emotional core.

  “They’re cooked without him.” [02:09] “He is so integral to that team that I don't know what they do.” [03:36]

• Speculation on Next Moves: They discuss possible replacements, including a trade for Kirk Cousins.
• Long-term Concerns: Tony compares Burrow's trajectory to Andrew Luck, worried he might become injury-prone despite his accomplishments.

2. Eagles vs. Chiefs: Are Philly for Real?

Segment Start: [04:10]

• Wilbon: Breaks down the Eagles’ narrow win in Kansas City—emphasizing their versatility and physical style—particularly following a crucial Travis Kelce dropped pass/interception near the goal line.
• Tony: Backs the Eagles as a legitimate, possibly underappreciated juggernaut.

  “The Eagles have won 18 of their last 19 games... I don't know what the Eagles have to do so the people proclaim them worthy.” [05:24]

• Wilbon: Updates his own rankings, vaulting the Eagles ahead of the Packers and others based on this performance.

  “I'm vaulting because of that victory, the Philadelphia Eagles ahead of the Green Bay Packers. It's the only thing to do.” [05:53]

• On the Chiefs:
  Tony refuses to count KC out, calling them a "championship team," but warns about a brutal seven-week gauntlet ahead (Baltimore, Detroit, Washington, Buffalo).

3. NFL Gloom and Doom: Who’s Hurting Most?

Segment Start: [07:18]

• Nominees: Browns, Jets, Giants, Dolphins, Bears
• Wilbon: Bears are the most discouraged, highlighting defensive collapse (gave up 52 to Detroit), lack of a running game, and major disappointment relative to expectations.

  “It's the Bears. Dennis Allen's defense gave up 52 to a team who couldn't score last week up north.” [08:05]

• Tony: Argues Miami is in worse shape, with speculation about coach Mike McDaniel’s job security.

  “I think it's Miami... the defense has allowed 66 points. That's the most, the most in the AFC.” [09:35]

• Other Notables:
  • Russell Wilson’s huge game overshadowed by a late interception and a 64-yard field goal loss.
  • Steelers’ “great defense” actually surrendering big scores.

4. NFL Blunders: Steelers vs. Broncos

Mail Time Segment Start: [13:21]

• Wilbon: Steelers’ gaffe by return man Caleb Johnson on a free kick is emphasized as the worst of the weekend.

  "The Steelers. The Steelers. Not even close." [13:32]

• Tony: Points to the Broncos’ penalty on a missed field goal, which gave Indianapolis a second chance—and the win—as the bigger blunder.

  “Denver had the bigger gaff for this reason. That field goal was missed. That game was over.” [14:29]

• Side Note: Daniel Jones (Indianapolis) gets MVP praise for his efficient and clutch performances.

5. College Football: Biggest Results and Surprises

Segment Start: [15:46]

• Wins: Georgia’s comeback over Tennessee, Miami’s blowout of South Florida.
• Losses: Notre Dame’s 0-2 start, Clemson’s shock upset by Georgia Tech, and Florida’s mounting woes under Billy Napier.
• Wilbon: Highlights South Carolina’s upset loss to Vandy and injury to dynamic QB Lenora Sellers as a “shocking loss.” [17:08]
• Fun aside: The duo debate the merits and aesthetics of “stadium choreography” (fans wearing coordinated white/colors).

6. Happy Time / Finishing Up

Segment Start: [20:30]

• Pete Carroll’s Birthday: Recaps his career success across NFL and college.
• Cedric Mullins’ Defensive Highlight & Struggles: A catch over the wall, recent trade to the Mets, and his drop in production.
• Boxing: Terence Crawford beats Canelo Alvarez and declares himself “the face of boxing.”
  Wilbon, “but sadly there's no more boxing.” [22:45]
• Hockey: The passing of Hall of Fame goalie Eddie Jockeman.
• Fast Hits:
  • J.J. McCarthy’s ankle injury for the Vikings.
  • Dennis Schroeder & Germany win Eurobasket.
  • Cal Rawley ties Mickey Mantle’s home run record for switch-hitters.
  • Scottie Scheffler’s sixth golf win of the season: “Six is up there. I mean that's a—I don't want to say the word. You know what needs to be said.” – Wilbon [25:07]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Burrow’s Value:
  Tony: “He’s the emotional center of that team. The diva wide receivers seem to come together around him.” [01:48]
• On the Eagles:
  Tony: “The Eagles have won 18 of their last 19 games. The Eagles went on the road to Kansas City. It's a tough place to play. They beat a team that I believe has been in five of the last six Super Bowls.” [05:08]
• On the Bears’ Disaster:
  Wilbon: “Dennis Allen's defense gave up 52 to a team who couldn't score last week up north.” [08:05]
• On Chiefs’ Schedule:
  Tony: “In the next seven weeks, they have Baltimore, Detroit, Washington and Buffalo. That's a gauntlet.” [07:14]
• On Terence Crawford Beating Canelo:
  Tony: “He says he's now the face of boxing.” [22:45]
  Wilbon: “Yeah, but sadly there's no more boxing.” [22:45]
• On Sports Fandom and Nostalgia:
  (On “stadium choreography”)
  Tony: “It's fantastic.” [17:54]
  Wilbon: “I hate it…cause I didn't grow up with it.” [17:56]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Burrow Injury & Bengals Outlook: [00:42] – [04:09]
• Eagles/Chiefs Analysis: [04:10] – [07:18]
• Teams in Trouble (Bears & Dolphins): [07:18] – [11:02]
• Mail Time – Steelers/Broncos Blunders: [13:21] – [15:36]
• College Football Results: [15:46] – [18:19]
• Closing Happy Time/Finishing Up: [20:30] – [25:07]

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Episode Tone & Style

Kornheiser and Wilbon bring their classic PTI chemistry—irreverent, rapid-fire, and unafraid to interject personal opinions or poke fun at themselves, their teams, and each other. The episode is energetic, loaded with sharp analysis, running gags (on hair transplants, NFL doom-saying, and “the Eagles bus”), and plenty of nostalgia.

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Summary Takeaways

• Burrow’s injury devastates the Bengals’ outlook and the broader AFC playoff field.
• The Eagles deliver a signature win against KC, proving their status as NFL elite despite skeptics.
• Major franchises (Bears, Dolphins) smack into early crisis modes.
• College football sees surprise shake-ups and evolving storylines amid upsets and key injuries.
• Individual brilliance continues to shine amid the turmoil, from Terence Crawford’s boxing triumph to surprise MVP candidates in the NFL.

PTI delivers another episode balancing high-level sports insight, comic relief, and the reliably feisty back-and-forth that fans expect.

Transcript

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[Mike Wilbon]

Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's national. Thank you. Daytoni Anybody you'd like to thank?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Tony Kornheiser. Definitely not my hair transplant surgeon. Look at this. Do you see any difference?

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Mike Wilbon]

A little darker around here.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's. It's a transplant. It's not hair dye. Oh, it hasn't worked. I paid a lot of money. It hasn't worked. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Eagles beat the Chiefs. The Bears take one on the chin and Notre Dame's zero and two. But we begin today with news that Joe Burrow, who led the NFL in passing yards and touchdown passes last season, will be out for three months after he has surgery for turf toe. Burrow was injured in the second quarter of Cincinnati's late win over Jacksonville yesterday. Wilbon, what does this injury mean to the Bengals and to Burrow?

[Mike Wilbon]

Doom. Temporarily, at least. I mean, I know they won yesterday. I know they're two and oh, but I don't believe they're any good without Burrow. They weren't any good last year with Burrow. Not just with him, but with him being great. He was prolific. Last year. They didn't do anything. Now they got, you know, $400 million worth of wide receiver and they got the pass rusher. They. They're not. The cupboard is not bare in Cincinnati, so I don't want to paint it that way.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sounded like you just did.

[Mike Wilbon]

I know, but. But you. I know you agree with this because you are a bigger Burrow guy than I am.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think he's great.

[Mike Wilbon]

He is great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's great.

[Mike Wilbon]

But they're not. It's all built around him. And not only that, Tony, he's the emotional center of that team. The diva wide receivers seem to come together around him. He's got the personality, he projects. He's the whole deal. If you're telling me he's out until at least mid December, so I think.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They'Re cooked without him. I do. And like you said, they're two and oh. But the teams they've beaten are very ordinary teams. Cleveland and Jacksonville and they beat them by a total of five points. So now you can look around at the AFC and you can say it's not particularly strong this year. And you can make the case, for example, that traditional powerhouses Kansas City and Pittsburgh are off to slow starts. But I don't see where they're going without Joe Burrow and they're six and eight in the last three seasons without him. Jake Browning comes in and in the last part of that game has a lot of success passing targeting the Heisman Trophy winner. I felt on defense targeting him. But he also had three interceptions. And I don't believe and you don't believe that Cincinnati isn't spending this entire day combing the waiver wire and maybe calling Atlanta to see if they can get their hands on Kirk Cousins.

[Mike Wilbon]

They should be.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In terms of Burrow, it may be he's star crossed Mike. It may be that he's one injury away from Andrew Lackland. It may be I think he's a great player. Let me give you some of these numbers here.

[Mike Wilbon]

He said star cross Luck didn't have the success in college that Burrow had, which suggests Starr is still. Yeah, Burrow won a championship.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So he's got the all time high Highest completion percentage 68.5%. He's prolific at making points. He's got 142 touchdowns as opposed to only 46 interceptions. But Mike, he's already been the comeback player of the year twice and he's only 28. So he's going to be the comeback player again next year. I just. They are. He is so integral to that team that I don't know what they do.

[Mike Wilbon]

He's the people talk about face of the franchise and sometimes it's exaggerated. Not in the case of Cincinnati. And it even seems like.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let me give him some credit here.

[Mike Wilbon]

There's some interesting and disparate personalities on that team. But it all seems to work around him. Like he has this thing that he can connect with all these kind of characters.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Three months. A long time. It's a long time. It's a whole season.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's too bad it's a downer for the, for the NFL. Right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

We agree with that too.

[Mike Wilbon]

He's a colorful guy. He's fun to have out there. Yesterday's super bowl rematch ended with the same team on top. The Eagles topped the Chiefs in Kansas City, though this one was a lot closer. The Chiefs had a chance to go ahead in the fourth when Travis Kelce bobbled away a Patrick Mahomes pass yes, he did. Right down near the goal line. He shouldn't have taken it and gone in and it was picked off by Philly. Tony, how does this result leave you feeling about each of these two?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so I think the Eagles are very good. I know that you, along with other people, have the packers supplanting them. You know, you have them supplanting them and going to the super bowl, but they got to beat the Eagles to get to the Super Bowl. The Eagles have won 18 of their last 19 games. The Eagles went on the road to Kansas City. It's a tough place to play. They beat a team that I believe has been in five of the last six Super Bowls. They beat at home. At home they beat Patrick Mahomes. Who at home. Let's get this number. Oh, I don't know, 55 and 14. They held them to 17 points. I mean, I don't know what the Eagles have to do so the people proclaim them worthy because everyone seems to want to get off the Eagles bus. Right?

[Mike Wilbon]

I'm get on it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All right, well, I'll just give you one more thing. Last week in this spot, I was talking about JJ McCarthy. Thankfully, before last night's game where he not only was bad, but he got hurt. And I had said, I looked at his record at Michigan and Minnesota, only one game in Minnesota, but it was 28.

[Mike Wilbon]

1.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And I compared him to Jalen Hurts. I said, look, Jalen Hurts isn't flashy. He doesn't have a big arm. He doesn't have overwhelming numbers. He wins all the time. Wouldn't you rather have the W?

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah, I'm vaulting because of that victory. The Philadelphia Eagles ahead of the Green Bay Packers. It's the only thing to do. You watch the games. It doesn't matter what you said Friday or Wednesday or Tuesday, it doesn't matter. K. The packers look really, really good. And if I did a power ranking of the entire league, even ahead of Buffalo, I would have now the Philadelphia Eagles. When you go on the road and you go into the home of the champ once removed and the recent multiple former champion, and you beat them. And here's the thing about the Eagles, they can do it any way you need it. I mean, Jalen Hurts can go out there. He can throw for 300 plus yards. Eagles can run it out just 100% and they can beat you physically. And I don't want to hear the whining, Mike Greenberg, my dear friend, about the tush push or brotherly shovel. I don't want to hear it. They go out there and physically do whatever is necessary. And the Eagles are the best team in the league.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I don't think. I'm not going to ring the bell on Kansas City yet.

[Mike Wilbon]

No, because I'm with you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They're a championship team. And the heavyweight championship fight, the guy's got to go down before you count them out. That's how it works. But it's a very tough open. The Chargers and then the Eagles. And Mike, in the next seven weeks, schedule guy was not good to them. In the next seven weeks, they have Baltimore, Detroit, Washington and Buffalo. That's a gauntlet.

[Mike Wilbon]

We're going to know by the midway point. That's gauntlet Chiefs for real this year. This is a different edition.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's take a wider view now of the NFL. This was just the second week, but it is never too early on the PTI show to declare gloom and doom. We just spoke of Kansas City opening at 02, which they never do. But let's leave them aside, Mike, and look at the team that may be the most discouraged after two games. So, Wilbot, here are our nominees. The Browns, who gave up 41 to Baltimore. The jets, who were rolled by Buffalo. The Giants, who lost agonizingly to Dallas. The Dolphins, who can't seem to get anything right. And your Bears.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Who gave up a 52 spot to Detroit. Go the Bears.

[Mike Wilbon]

The other teams.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, it's the Bears.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah, the other teams. Nothing was expected of any of them. Don't tell them about the Jets, Miami. They had the coach being fired in August and that's probably going to happen, which is too bad. No, no, no, no.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The Bears.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's the Bears. And it's not about the lazy. The lazy conversation is just about Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams didn't give up 52. Dennis Allen's defense. Okay, paging Ron Rivera, some of us who wanted him anyway. Dennis Allen's defense gave up 52 to a team who couldn't score last week up north. That's right. Packers. Caleb Williams was again, so. So at best. And by the way, you know, am I feeling like as strong about him as I was maybe coming into this? He said not so much. You wonder about some things, but, I mean, to me, he should have time. We have no running game, okay, so the offensive coordinator, who was declared a genius, can't find a way to move the ball in ways he did in Detroit. So the defense stinks. The running game is absent. The offensive line is no better than before. The acquisitions of an entirely new Interior. So what do the Bears have to be happy about today?

[Tony Kornheiser]

And the answer is. Yeah. So I know you like to talk about in Detroit, the brain drain.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Where Aaron Glenn became a head coach and Ben Johnson became your head coach. Apparently you don't need to have brains to beat the Bears cuz they put 52 on them with the brain drain. I'm gonna disagree with you really in this regard. I think it's Miami and I think people in Miami and I have relatives in Miami and they text and they go, what's gonna happen? What's gonna.

[Mike Wilbon]

We know what's gonna happen.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You know. And I would say that at the moment there are people who want to fire Mike McDaniel. Right?

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Now here's an opportunity on Thursday night. Miami plays Buffalo Thursday night. So by Friday morning you could get rid of that coach. And the new Coach would have 10 days. The new coach would have 10 days to orient himself to the team. And the defense there is bad. The defense has allowed 66 points. That's the most, the most in the AFC. But if I can take 20, 30 seconds here to talk about one of the greatest games I ever saw. Oh, the Giants, Cowboys. That was fabulous.

[Mike Wilbon]

Entertaining, Just fabulous.

[Tony Kornheiser]

All the talk all week long is when are they going to pull the plug on Russell Wilson and put in Jackson dart. Russell Wilson went into that game like a guy who had staked a claim on that position. Here are some numbers. 30 of 41, 450 yards, three touchdowns. He was terrific. Except for the last lollipop pass that got intercepted and led to that team losing. But you know what? You can't. That pass to neighbor. 25 seconds go. That's a winner.

[Mike Wilbon]

It is. The game should be over.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Here's what you can't count on ever in the history. What? A 64 yard field goal to tie. Come on, come on.

[Mike Wilbon]

It hasn't happened that. Let me say this. The Dolphins coach, I root for him personally. He seems like a fine person in all his public representations. And they thought he was a good coach a couple of years ago. And now we got to camp started and it was like. And we know who the hottest seat among the coaches is.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Must be. Let's take a break. Coming up, which NFL team more badly blundered on Sunday? The Steelers or the Broncos?

[Mike Wilbon]

We'll tell you what the most notable result was from this weekend in college football.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I was glued to the red zone to watch the Cowboys and The Giants.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

41 points.

[Mike Wilbon]

Giants on. In Washington.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't know. I was on the Red zone, red zone.

[Mike Wilbon]

You can get the game.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Trying to find out what's on going popping with the populace in mail time. Let me get the first one. Pop Pop. Put on my glasses so I can read it. Who had the worst gaffe, the Steelers or the Broncos?

[Mike Wilbon]

The Steelers. The Steelers. Not even close. I'm not even sure.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The Broncos.

[Mike Wilbon]

And we'll get to that. I'm not sure that was a gaff the the Steelers. Caleb Johnson. He is. He's a return man. And I realized return game is so eh, it's been removed from NFL play so maybe this kid didn't even know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They'Re trying to bring it back.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's not about muffing it or touching it on a kickoff. It's a free kick. That's the important thing, it's a free kick. You gotta field it, you gotta touch it down, you gotta catch it and acknowledge the official. He has to acknowledge you. I don't want to hear that. The Denver play goes on, the game goes on. He gets another chance because he vaulted himself. No, no. Nobody vaulted anything. He might have had a swim move and gets his arm on the. He didn't vault. What kind of vault is that? Gymnasts do better vaults than that all the time. At 104 pounds, that's garbage. The Steelers had the bigger gaff.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Are you done yelling? Yes, but you're not going to like what I say.

[Mike Wilbon]

What?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Denver had the bigger gaff for this reason. That field goal was missed. That game was over. No, the game was over. I know the game was over. So when you call that penalty, you allow the Indianapolis to go 15 yards closer.

[Mike Wilbon]

So the zebra had the gaff. You want to put the gaff on the.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, I mean, I assume it's a legitimate penalty. Let me. You know what? But as long as I mention Indianapolis, let me take about 10 seconds here, okay? If you were voting for MVP right now, and I understand it's early, it's two weeks. You have to vote for Daniel Jones. You have to vote for Daniel Jones. Indianapolis, a team that isn't very good, is two and oh, he leads them down the field consistently. He's completing 71% of his passes.

[Mike Wilbon]

He looks great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And you know what? They've never punted. No, they've never punted.

[Mike Wilbon]

His first team in this year.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So maybe the Giants were crazy in getting rid of him the way they did. And if I have five more seconds, say something about the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers, yesterday in. When he was hurried, when he was rushed, three for 1136 yards, one pick and a 2.8 rating. And by the way, the Steelers great defense has given up 63 points. It's nonexistent.

[Mike Wilbon]

No, wait, wait, wait. The ref had the gaffe. Okay, that is not a penalty.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm just saying. And the game was no longer.

[Mike Wilbon]

I know.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It shouldn't have been.

[Mike Wilbon]

The game should have been over. What was the most notable result from the college football weekend?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so from a winning point of view, I think it was Georgia in Tennessee coming back throughout that game and winning the game. The second one, I would say is Miami a four wheel team because the Cinderella South Florida story, that's over now. That was. Wait a second, 49 12.

[Mike Wilbon]

It pounced.

[Tony Kornheiser]

In terms of losing, Notre Dame is now 02. Tough start. Miami And Texas A and m, but they are 02. Clemson. Clemson lost to Georgia Tech. I don't think in the last.

[Mike Wilbon]

Not the way Dappo thought.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think in the last 15 years we would never say that sentence, that Clemson lost to Georgia Tech, am I correct? But the biggest loss, what he had lost like was Florida. If you think the seat is hot with Mike McDaniel, the seat is hotter with Billy Naper. They are right now on pace for last year's Florida State situation. You know what could happen to him? What happened to the Virginia Tech guy and the UCLA guy over the weekend? It could be third prize. You're fired.

[Mike Wilbon]

Virginia Tech. Let me mention, by the way, as an update, the most exciting player in the country, which most people have not seen yet. Don't even know him. I know because I watched him a couple times already and he got hurt Saturday in a shocking loss South Carolina suffered at home to Vandy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That is a shocking loss.

[Mike Wilbon]

Lenora Sellers suffered a concussion in that game. He'd gone six for seven and gone right down the field. And without him they couldn't muster anything. And I'm sure the shock from seeing that kid go into the tent and go away. But the news from Coach Beamer apparently is they think expect he will come back and play and they need him because we thought they'd be undefeated through this point. Didn't think they'd lose at home to Vandy, where I think they beat 16 straight. It's Georgia over Tennessee.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That game, Tony, good game.

[Mike Wilbon]

Had all of the Giants Cowboys markings to it. Just up and down the field with drama. That game had everything.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Can I ask you a question? How did they get the choreography down in the stadium where some people wear white and some people wear all.

[Mike Wilbon]

They send out stuff early in the week.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's fantastic.

[Mike Wilbon]

They send out. I hate it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, how can you hate it? Why?

[Mike Wilbon]

Cause I didn't grow up with it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You should look at it and admire it. The choreography's really something. You want to talk about Northwestern moral victory. They were 27 and a half point underdog and they lost by the money.

[Mike Wilbon]

They played Oregon even in the first and fourth quarters in a 24 point game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Nobody cares.

[Mike Wilbon]

People thought it was going to be a 40. I do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, you care about the first and.

[Mike Wilbon]

You care about the front theater.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Enough email. Let's take one last break. Still to come, is Terence Crawford now the face of boxing.

[Mike Wilbon]

And Vikings quarterback J.J. mcCarthy is likely to miss some time. No, we'll tell you why.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I actually. I mean, maybe I shouldn't say this. That was a tough place for Georgia to go in and win. And they won.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yes, credit scenes were tough. That's hard.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Happy time people. Happy 74th birthday. Pete Carroll Carroll's the oldest head coach in the NFL, but not as old as I am. He's in his first year with the Raiders after 14 season with Seattle, where he won a Super Bowl. Carroll also won a national championship while coaching USC. Carroll has 171 wins in the NFL, which ties him with Sean Payton for fifth among active coaches. That number puts Carroll and Payton 17th all time. Carroll's Raiders will play Jim Harbaugh's Los Angeles Charles Chargers tonight on Monday Night Football. Harbaugh's career path is similar to Carroll's in that both have been successful in college and in the pros, and they are the coaches who famously barked at each other. What's your deal.

[Mike Wilbon]

Oh, great.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They were in the Pac 12. Pac 12.

[Mike Wilbon]

I missed the Pac 12. I know you. We do.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Me too.

[Mike Wilbon]

Pete Carroll. Hall of Fame, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, sure. Right. Oh sure.

[Mike Wilbon]

One of those young pitchers, sneaky looking like Jared Levine.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's an inside reference. Is that right?

[Mike Wilbon]

I thought so.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Happy anniversary, Cedric Mullins. On this day four years ago, the 5 foot 8 inch center fielder for the Baltimore Orioles went over the wall in Camden Yards to rob the Yankees Gary Sanchez of a home run. I know we show a lot of catches, many of which are actually overrated, but come on. Mullins is 5, 8. This is a great catch. That season, 2021, Mullins was an all Star and a Silver Slugger recipient. But this season, Mullins. Mullins has been a disappointment to the New York Mets who traded for him at the deadline. Mullens is hitting just.188 with a.571 OPS since going to the Mets, whose recent collapse has left them in jeopardy of missing the wild card. Though they won last night.

[Mike Wilbon]

You know, I hate the Mets almost as much as I hate the Cardinals. But I'm conflicted because I like Mullens. He went full Spud Webb. I mean he went up, up and up. I don't get tired of those catches. I must admit.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I don't. Happy trails to the Saturday night's fight for Canelo Alvarez. Terence Crawford defeated Alvarez in a unanimous decision. An upset according to the odds, but not according to Crawford who said post fight that he knew he had beaten Canelo when he signed the contract. The 37 year old Crawford jumped two weight divisions to fight the 35 year old Alvarez. And Crawford looked quicker but also exchanged blows when the fight called for it.

[Mike Wilbon]

He did.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Crawford's record is up to 42,0 with 31 knockouts. He says he's now the face of boxing.

[Mike Wilbon]

Might you agree? Yeah, but sadly there's no more boxing. And this boxing was. I wanted to wake you up to watch this. You know what time this went off? Eastern time. I was in Chicago. No, after 1am it finally ended. But you know, it was a good fight, but not a great fight. But we need, we need boxing. It was so great in the fall when there's great boxing to fill out your weekend at the college football. And now there's no boxing.

[Tony Kornheiser]

We have this other thing that you and I don't watch.

[Mike Wilbon]

No mma. Not watching it. No. Mike Crawford.

[Tony Kornheiser]

And a melancholy trails to Eddie Jockeman. The hall of Fame goalie has died at the age of 86. Jockeman was a five time all star. Won a Vezna trophy for the Rangers across the late 60s and early 70s. He was the Rangers goalie of my youth and the franchise retired his number one jersey in 1989.

[Mike Wilbon]

Tony Jean Ratel, Vic Hadfield, Roggy O'. Bear. I know they were his teammates.

[Tony Kornheiser]

None of those guys ever won, right? No, no, no.

[Mike Wilbon]

They were in that real. That period of time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That period of time that lasted 40 years. Let's not make it seem like it was only those two.

[Mike Wilbon]

I mean he was so great and look at the people he had to play against.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Mike Wilbon]

All the great Canadian players, Canadiens players and Bobby Hull who was setting records. He had to deal with these people every night.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sure. And that was some of it was in the pre expansion era where there's only six teams in the whole league. Let's see if we can go to the big finish.

[Mike Wilbon]

Let's do it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

J.J. mcCarthy struggled in a Vikings loss to the Falcons. He expected to miss two to four weeks with a high ankle sprain. Your thoughts?

[Mike Wilbon]

I don't want this kid to be hurt. I want to be healthy and play. But eight quarters seven one good one in my. Dennis Allen. Thank you. On the wrong end of that early Monday night game features Bucs Texans. Are you gonna watch?

[Tony Kornheiser]

I like to. I think both quarterbacks are very good and worth watching and I think. I think both teams are. Houston could be a actually very victim. Dennis Schroeder in Germany, Alper and Sengun and Turkey for the Eurobasket title. You had that going the other way.

[Mike Wilbon]

I did. Because I think Sengun's gonna be a breakout star. But good for Schroeder and Franz Wagner. Good for them. I'd like to have seen that. Cal Rawley has tied Mickey Mantle's home run record for switch hitters with 54. I know you're impressed.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's a catcher. Nobody's no catcher has ever done this. Come on. It's amazing. Last one. Scotty Shepler won the procore championship for his 6 6th win of the season. Is that a big deal?

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Six is up there. I mean that's a. I don't want to say the word. You know what needs to be said.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I know.

[Mike Wilbon]

Eldrick. I won't even say the full. The nickname. I won't go that far.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. The kid from North Carolina had like a four and a half or five minute playoff high to go to the playoff. He missed the left. We are out of time. We will try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.

[Mike Wilbon]

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