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Damian Lillard
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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. It's St. Patrick's Day. Tony, you got anything green going on?
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Tony Kornheiser
Tony Kornheiser? Just the three toenails on my right foot.
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Mike Wilbon
Oh, I get it. I get it. Green at the moment. Gangrene. Is that what we're talking about?
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Tony Kornheiser
Gangrene? Pretty much gangrene.
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Mike Wilbon
There's an image to start the show.
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Tony Kornheiser
I to look for, honestly, for a green tie today.
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Mike Wilbon
Nothing.
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Tony Kornheiser
Me either. I don't have any.
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Mike Wilbon
No green and I got nothing green.
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Tony Kornheiser
I must have thrown them out because I don't have a green tie. And I usually wear a green tie, but we got decorations behind me, which is good. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, USC is upset with the women's bracket. The Bengals put big money into their offense and baseball season begins tomorrow morning. But we begin today with the men's bracket in the NCAAs, which was revealed yesterday. Even 14 schools from the SEC are in it, the most ever from one conference. The SEC has four of the top eight seeds. Wilbaugh, what is right and what is wrong with the tournament bracket?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony? I didn't find any. I found one thing wrong. One thing jumped out at me. And I then listened for hours to people mostly, rip it, shred it. And that was putting North Carolina, the University of North Carolina, one of the absolute blue bloods, along with ucla, Kentucky, Indiana at one point. I know Duke, people think of that, but it wasn't forever a blue blood. But to put North Carolina in with this record in Quad One is just like, stop it. What are you doing? What is it you're trying to prove here? And people can say, the North Carolina athletic director. No, because you have to recuse yourself. He's not in the room. But they are together for breakfast, lunch and dinner and lobby time at the hotel and all kinds of other stuff. And North Carolina shouldn't be in the field and Indiana should. And if it wants to, you want to make me a homer because I'm a Big Ten guy, make me one. Because Indiana deserved to be in the field more than North Carolina, which just didn't. So that bothered me. But that's the only thing, Tone, that really bothered me. The rest of it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
What gets me and you and I talked about. We didn't talk as much about individual matchups as we will on your podcast. But Tony, I think there's going to be games that are called upsets. That won't be. I think there are fives and sixes and maybe a couple of four seeds that will advance at least in the first round. Doesn't mean they'll go to the Final Four. But I think there's going to be carnage on Thursday and Friday, next week in the men's tournament, and I welcome it. I think that's what makes the tournament fascinating.
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Tony Kornheiser
All right, so I'll get to the North Carolina thing and I'll just say this, that I'm amazed that people obsess about the 68th team in the field. My personal opinion is North Carolina could beat 30 teams in the field. So could West Virginia. So could Indiana. I saw North Carolina twice in the last week take Duke right to the end. You know, they could have won at least one of those games. And Duke is overall number two seed here. And that's unlike Illinois, a Big Ten school, which is a six seed that didn't come within 50 points of Duke. But I will, I'll get off that and I'll talk about the SEC, because the SEC is the big story here. 14 teams in the greatest conference in a one year span ever. People say so Mike, to me, if they don't get any teams in a Final Four, that's a disaster. And I believe they're going to have to get two to justify all the hoopla about them. And I thought there's only two schools in the conference that aren't in. LSU isn't in. South Carolina isn't in. So I wonder, what is it like on those campuses? Do people want to fire the coach? LSU was 11 and three out of conference. South Carolina was 10 and four out of conference. So maybe the SEC is that good. And that's the narrative of the tournament. How good is the sec?
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Mike Wilbon
That's a good question. And I'm excited to watch that because I'm one Of the few skeptics remaining. So, you know, and I don't believe you know, put a 68 team in, put a small school in. Put a small school in, don't put another big team in that controls its resources. Like North Carolina. Indiana, too.
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Tony Kornheiser
Indiana.
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Mike Wilbon
But Indiana was better than North Carolina. I know you don't want to admit that it was a little too far west for you, but North Carolina had a junk season.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't care about 68. You know what I want to see?
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Mike Wilbon
What?
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Tony Kornheiser
I want to see St. John's play Arkansas. I want to see Patino and Calipari on the same court. I want to see that it would be.
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Mike Wilbon
I got St. John's going a long way longer than you do, Mr. New York City. Let's move.
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Tony Kornheiser
You don't know what I picked yet.
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Mike Wilbon
I do know what you pick. I got spies everywhere. We're moving to the women's bracket. UCLA took the number one overall. Joining the Bruins on the top line are South Carolina, Texas and the other usc. The real one, South Carolina. I'm sorry, Southern California. I fell prey to that. The Trojans. USC could face 2 seed UConn in the Elite Eight. Tony, you okay with a tournament bracket that could force juju Watkins and Paige Beckers to meet prior to the Final Four? You all right with that?
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Tony Kornheiser
So I thought that the people who put the women's bracket together would have learned a lesson from last year, but apparently they didn't. Last year, they had the two biggest stars in women's basketball. Caitlin Clark, number one, Angel Reese, number two. And they put them on a collision course in a round of eight. Yeah, and that means one of them had to be out for the Final Four. They're doing this right now. The two biggest stars in the women's game, juju Watkins, Paige Becker, the same collision course. I don't get it. Maybe the women think that their tournament is completely bulletproof, but I think it's a television show and so I would try to save the stars for later. I did note, I was told today that USC Southern California was upset at being the overall four seed. I suspect it's because they're afraid to play the five. Connecticut. If you look at this objectively, in the most recent games they played, USC lost to UCLA and Texas lost to South Carolina. So they got to be the three and the four. What order do you want? Well, Texas was ranked number one last week. So to me, three, four, the way it is is just fine. Legitimate.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I'm not so worked up about that. I Found South Carolina. I found South Carolina's reaction interesting, which was like, yeah, whatever. Because they want to get after UConn. Let's face it. That's what this tournament's about to me. Let me just tell you, Tony. So last night and watching both bracket reveals and all the stuff afterward, I care much more about the women's tournament because I know who the women are. They have built up identities, their teams, meaning their schools, our brands. I've watched them play. And even though juju Watkins is only in her second year, it feels like I've watched her a lot longer than anybody on the men's side. And certainly the women who are juniors and seniors. Yeah. Have watched a lot longer. So I care about that. And I AM rooting for UConn and South Carolina. I just want to see that again. Give me time out. That UConn gave time out. Carolina already time out.
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Tony Kornheiser
What I thought you've said numerous times you root for Kiki Rice in ucla.
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Mike Wilbon
I do.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, so you should be rooting for them. And by the way, mutually exclusive. They should be seated ahead of Dawn Staley in South Carolina. Cuz they beat him. They beat him head to head. So stop with this. Let's turn to the NFL, where the Cincinnati Bengals are now paying Jamar Chase and T. Higgins big money, which is a very un Cincinnati like development. This is something Joe Burrow agitated for. Well, by now the Bengals made the right call pouring this much money into two wide receivers.
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Mike Wilbon
Not necessarily. And the proof will be in the pudding, as they used to say. Look, first of all, if they don't get Hendrickson signed, a guy who I believe has led the NFL in sacking the quarterback the last two year total, 17 and a half, I think each year, 35 sacks. You got to sign him. And at some point he had said, I'll just be traded. At some point. I think they had, you know, given him permission to do so. Now the reporting is that they're leaning toward paying him. Listen, you got no defense. You couldn't hold anybody under 30 for the key part of the season. When your offense did get itself together, there was a six and three run. And those three games were a disaster for the defense. So I know Joe Burrow held the team hostage. I get it. He's the quarterback. Quarterbacks get what they want in the National Football League. So Burrow got what he want. Be careful what you ask for, because maybe instead of signing T. Higgins, they should have taken that 115mil or whatever it was and tried to buy three defensive players, including another star to add to Hendrickson. So, Tony, I don't know that it's the right move. It's a fascinating move. I understand Joe Burrow wanting to make this move to bring his guys in the fold because they can sling and they can get in the end zone, but is it right? I don't know.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, I'd love to disagree with you. And I can't disagree with you. Last year, the problem that the Bengals had was not on the side of the ball. Where Higgins and Chase and Burrow were, was on the other side of the ball. Higgins and Jason Burrow had the sixth highest point total in the league, but the defense was 25th in points allowed. So I agree with you. Down the line, like every single week, Burrow would throw for three or four touchdowns and 300 yards and they would lose. And they lost to New England, a terrible team. But all their other losses are against good teams. And you will love these numbers. Okay? Burrow puts up 38 against Pittsburgh, loses. Puts up 34 and 38 against Baltimore, loses. Puts up 33 against Washington and loses. So I agree with you. I think you have to fix the defense. But other than hendrickson, they got 10 worthless guys out there. So if you could bring in four or five guys for the money they're paying a wideout, they're going to have.
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Mike Wilbon
To do it in the draft. They're going to have to do it in the draft. But they could have used a little of both and said the T. Higgins. I don't know. Fascinating situation.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's take a break. Coming up, what does today's win at the Players Championship mean for Rory McIlroy?
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Mike Wilbon
And ready or not, we're about 12 and a half hours away from the start of Major League Baseball season. Huh? Too soon? Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
How do you root for all these teams when you can only root for one guy?
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Mike Wilbon
I root for two teams.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tcla, you're winning.
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Mike Wilbon
I root for two teams.
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Tony Kornheiser
Ucla, you're winning.
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Mike Wilbon
South Carolina and ucla. If they don't play each other. No, I said I'm rooting for UConn to play South Carolina. Do we need to roll the tape back? That's what I'm rooting for.
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Damian Lillard
In case you didn't know, these young men are driven. They are prodigies, the savants, the ones we've been waiting for. Like Damian Lillard, for instance. He doesn't seek guidance or mentorship. He's a leader. He isn't waiting for the baton to be passed to him. He's taking it for himself. He's relentless in a pursuit of greatness, always pushing to one up himself. He is accomplished but far from satisfied. He embodies what it means to have an unstoppable drive and are shaking up the status quo in their community and beyond. And Damian Lillard drives a Toyota. A new generation of Toyota drivers are here and they want you to know one thing. You can't stop my drive.
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Tony Kornheiser
Time to find out what the people want to pester us about. Mail time. Let me see what's first here. Going to the glasses to read. Rory McIlroy won the players Championship in a playoff this morning. How big is this win for Rory?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony it's interesting. I didn't watch any of the action this morning. We started it 9am Eastern because I just wasn't in a frame of mind to think of it. But then I did catch all of Rory's, you know, endless post game press conference, which Rory's a fascinating guy to listen to. He's introspective, maybe to a fault. I like listening to him on any topic. And even on the topic of Rory and I as somebody who consumes a lot of golf, I don't think it does that much necessarily. If Rory can win in Augusta, that will do a whole lot. But other than that, Rory's great. Rory's great. Who's going to argue about Rory McIlroy's worthiness to be out there on the top of the marquee. Nobody. And there's one win left that he sort of needs, if he even needs that. But it ain't the players. It's a big deal. And he talked about how big the players was to him, specifically why. And I admire that. I'm sure the promoters of the players, the marketing people, very happy. But it ain't this one. That's the big one for Rory. Not to me.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm going to go in a slightly different direction here. I'm going to talk about a terrible decision yesterday. A decision that should have relieved someone from command. Okay, Nobody wants to see a three hole aggregate playoff in a non major and the players is a non major. And nobody wants to see a three hole aggregate playoff the next morning. Cuz nobody much like you is going to watch this thing. They have an iconic hole there, number 17, the island green. What you do is you get floodlights on it or you bring cars over and put the headlights on it and they go out there and they go out there and play until somebody wins. And I don't care if it takes all night. They already played the hole 10 minutes before. They know where the pin is. They know the yardage. They have to go out there and play that right then. And the guy who made the decision not to do that should be fired. Should be fired.
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Mike Wilbon
Get out. I'm gonna disagree. I can't disagree with you. Play 17.
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Tony Kornheiser
Thank you.
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Mike Wilbon
Just play 17. That's theater at its finest.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's right. That's exactly hundred percent. Are you ready for some baseball?
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Mike Wilbon
No, no, no, no, no and no. The baseball season for 100 years started April 15. And then they went from 154 to 162. They moved the start back. It's always snowing in Chicago and Milwaukee and Cleveland and you know, it just stopped. And now my Cubs are in Japan playing against the Dodgers. It's something that is very attractive there. The workouts sold out. There were people wrapped around blocks. I get it. But to start a season on March 18th. No, you can start the season on March 25th and give them eight days off further down the line. Give them the next eight. But to do this, Tony, this is a scourge. I rip the NFL when they do this. They just want to dominate your thoughts and get in your head and just weasel their way in between your ears for the entire year. And now baseball is doing it too. No, this is ridiculous. Starting the season March 18th, please.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I really like the time tomorrow, 6:10am is the start. So I can walk my dog and sit down and I can watch the game. I will say that a lot of people think that the beginning of spring is the Masters because of the azaleas. I have always thought that the beginning of spring is the start of the baseball season. But like you, I want to start it not in March, but April 1st. And I feel the same way about daylight savings time. I don't want daylight savings time in March. I want it April 1st, because I don't want what we have now. Three weeks of darkness in the morning. By the way, Mookie Betts apparently has a virus or a fever and he's lost 15 pounds. He's not going to play in either of these games. Where's he getting £15 from? He's not a big guy. How long will it take him to regain 15 pounds? Mookie Betts, he's not a big. Do you imagine that losing £15?
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Mike Wilbon
I'd like to.
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Tony Kornheiser
I could probably send him home.
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Mike Wilbon
I'd like to do it, you know. And by the way, if you get up, walk your dog, you could walk your dog in the morning and watch a three hole playoff. I'm just going to point out the hypocrisy of that.
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Tony Kornheiser
I watched it, but I'm the only one in America who watch it. There's no hypocrisy. That should have been last night with floodlights on 17. I'm not female.
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Mike Wilbon
It should have been.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's take one last break. Still to come, does Joey Gallo, he was a Nat last year, right? Have a chance to pick up pitching as a 31 year old. That'd be fun.
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Mike Wilbon
PJ Washington, is he right? The Mav fans should stop chanting Fire Nico. Of course he's right. And by the way, I want daylight savings times February 1st. It's stupid. It should be banned. It should be outlawed. There should be no, you know, hour earlier getting dark at four in the morning just because you get up.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 66th birthday. Danny Ainge a starter on two NBA champions with the Celtics and later their top executive winning a title there in 2008. Ainge was a terrific guard at BYU, the Wooden Award winner in 1981 and celebrated for going coast to coast to knock Notre Dame out of the nc. Ainge was a great enough athlete to play Major League Baseball as well. Played 211 games for the Toronto Blue Jays as an infielder. Ainge is currently running the Utah Jazz and it is not going as smoothly as it went in Boston. The Jazz are 15 and 53, worse even than the Washington Wizards. In the four years Ainge has run the show in Utah, the jazz are 113 and 175.
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Mike Wilbon
You know Tony, he's one pick away though. I like some of what Danny Angel's doing in Utah. Suppose they get Cooper flag. Suppose they win. A lot of you get flagged and they pull him away from your Washington Wizards. Things can turn quickly and you don't have to have 1, 2 or 3. You can draft further down Nikola Jokic and wind up winning, but you got to get it right. Got to get lucky too.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy anniversary St. Peter's basketball on this day three years ago, the 15 seeded Peacocks stunned number two seed Kentucky in overtime in what was the first installment of St. Peter's historic run to the Elite Eight, becoming the first 15 seed to ever get there. St. Peter's beat Murray State to get to the Sweet 16 and then number three Purdue to reach the eight where they lost to eventual national runner up North Carolina. Head coach Shaheen Holloway, then left for his alma mater, Seton Hall. This season was a disaster. There, seton hall went 7:25, the most losses ever at that school, 2 and 18. In the Big East, St. Peter's suffered as well, going 12:16 and 7 and.
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Mike Wilbon
13 in the MA Tony, maybe I'm just guilty of wishful thinking for some excitement, but I think after filling out just one bracket, we're going to have a ton of these games. We're going to have four or five upsets like that one that we just mentioned with St. Peter's what do you think?
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Tony Kornheiser
No, I don't.
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Mike Wilbon
You don't?
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Tony Kornheiser
I just chalk.
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Mike Wilbon
You go in chalk.
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't think we're going to. We'll have. No, it's not chalk so much as I think we'll have a few. But you're calling for upheaval here and I don't think that's going to happen.
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Mike Wilbon
Okay.
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Tony Kornheiser
A melancholy trails to Slick Watts. The former Sonics point guard has passed away at the age of 73. Watts went undrafted out of tiny Xavier University in New Orleans, but his college coach was cousins with. Then Sonics head coach Bill Russell got him a tryout. Watts made the team and helped lead Seattle to its first playoff berth in his second season. In his third year, he led the NBA in steals and assists. Slick got his name from shaving his head and keeping it gleaming with baby oil. He'd also wear his headband at a.
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Mike Wilbon
Rakish angle without the headband. Been a role model for some of us. Tony. No baby oil, but still shaving it. Tony. I'd go to Seattle to cover a game. It could be a football game. And a Slick watch showed up. The reaction to him, the civic reaction was unreal because he became a teacher. Elementary school teacher for 20 years. Incredibly popular. And his grandson is now a sophomore playing basketball at Washington State.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let us go to the big finish.
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Mike Wilbon
Let's do it.
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Tony Kornheiser
The Magic snapped the Cavaliers 16 game winning streak. Are you surprised?
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Mike Wilbon
A little bit. If they had been healthy, Tony Orlando would be better and they might have exposed a little something with size in the back backcourt Defensively for Cleveland, maybe. Might be a stretch. Mavs forward P.J. washington wants Dallas fans to stop chanting fire Nico. Is this a fair request?
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Tony Kornheiser
No. It's an insane trade and they're hollering it all over the city, including at medieval times like not even basketball context. 17 year old Mira Andreeva won Indian Wells for her second straight victory. Are you impressed?
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Mike Wilbon
Yes. She beat number two Witek in the semis and number one seed Sabalenka in the final. That's going out with some style and flexing. Joey Gallo, released by the White Sox. Plans now to try pitching. Does that make sense?
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Tony Kornheiser
I don't know if it makes sense, but it's a worthy effort. He's got a big strong arm from the outfield. Last year with the nats, he hit 161 brutal last one. The warriors have won seven straight wolves at one eight straight will both streaks continue tonight?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony, these are two teams that can threaten anybody in the league. And yes, at home, both teams will win and keep those streaks going.
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Tony Kornheiser
So Indiana won't win that game, right? You don't like Indiana in that? We're out of time. We'll try and do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornhunt.
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Mike Wilbon
And I'm Mike Lobon. Same time tomorrow, Knucklehead. You can get the podcast on the app or Apple podcasts. And now it's a ball night. Even with no colleges, are you going.
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Tony Kornheiser
To root for UCLA or South Carolina?
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- [25:05]
Damian Lillard
In case you didn't know, these young men are driven. They are prodigies, the savants, the ones we've been waiting for. Like Damian Lillard, for instance. He doesn't seek guidance or mentorship. He's a leader. He isn't waiting for the baton to be passed to him. He's taking it for himself. He's relentless in a pursuit of greatness, always pushing to one up himself. He is accomplished, but far from satisfied. He embodies what it means to have an unstoppable drive and are shaking up the status quo in their community and beyond. And Damian Lillard drives a Toyota. A new generation of Toyota drivers are here and they want you to know one thing. You can't stop my drive.