NFL Sunday Recap and Monday Night Football Prediction

Summary

PTI Podcast Summary

Episode: NFL Sunday Recap and Monday Night Football Prediction
Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser & Michael Wilbon

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Episode Theme & Overview

Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon face off on the day’s hottest sports topics, focusing primarily on a dramatic NFL Sunday, including the fall of the final unbeaten teams, shocking upsets, disastrous losses, playoff baseball, college football shake-ups, and a look ahead to Monday Night Football. The episode is marked by candid banter, pointed criticisms, and genuine surprise over the week's mayhem.

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Key Discussion Points

1. NFL: Unbeaten Teams Go Down

• [01:03–04:42]
  • Philadelphia Eagles and Buffalo Bills Lose: Both previously unbeaten, lost at home. The Eagles fell to Denver after allowing 18 unanswered points; the Bills were outplayed by the Patriots, with rookie Drake May starring at QB.
  • Wilbon: “Nobody's going undefeated. There's no 72 Dolphins in this group.” (01:34)
  • Tony: “The Eagles lost to Denver, which scored the last 18 points. And the Bills lost to New England, who got a terrific performance out of Drake May.” (01:23)
  • Analysis: Both hosts agree that there is no dominant, untouchable team this season, signaling a wide-open race ahead.

2. What’s Wrong with the Eagles?

• [01:57–02:50]
  • Wilbon: Criticizes Eagles’ coaching and playcalling, specifically the over-reliance on passing: “You get a new play caller, and I wonder if Sirianni… just says, ‘Let me call the plays.’”
  • Downplays talk of “panic” around the Eagles: “What's wrong with the Eagles? It's being overstated by… everybody who talks football. They'll be fine.” (02:50)

3. Biggest NFL Surprises and MVP Talk

• [03:01–04:55]
  • Tony: Surprised by Washington’s comeback win over the Chargers.
  • Quarterback Play as King: Only great QBs win—cites Bo Nix, Drake May, Jaden Daniels.
  • Early MVP Picks:
    • Tony: “My list is three: Baker Mayfield, Dane Jones, Daniel Jones. Check Dak Prescott.” (04:42)
    • Wilbon responds skeptically to Dak Prescott MVP talk: “I just watched Dak in person throw three picks… let's slow it down a little bit.” (04:47–04:55)

4. NFL’s Worst Losses of the Day

• [04:55–08:00]
  • Wilbon: “The Ravens fell to 1 and 4 after getting blasted by the Texans.”
  • Tony: “I'm tempted to say the worst loss is Arizona's, but the worst by far is the Baltimore Ravens… they've given up 160 points, 40 a game. That great historic defense, that's down the drain.” (06:16)
  • On the Arizona Cardinals: “All because your running back… flips it going across the goal line… I would have cut him last night starting.” (07:17)
  • Recurring Mistake: Both recall past moments (Desean Jackson’s premature celebration) and decry players prioritizing “celebration over winning.”

5. Major League Baseball Playoffs

• [08:41–11:43]
  • Yankees Struggle: Down 0–2 after being thrashed by Toronto.
  • Tony: "They are limping back to New York now." (08:41)
  • Wilbon: Stays optimistic about Yankees bouncing back at home: "I believe the Yankees can come back and win game three in Ruth's house… then we'll see." (09:00)
  • Detroit–Seattle Series: Competitive, not yet decided.
  • Pitching Performances:
    • Tony: "I had not heard of Schlitler or Savage."
    • Wilbon: "They're going to have to deal with Schlitler." (11:21)

6. Mail Time: MLB Playoff Predictions & Ohtani

• [14:52–17:14]
  • Phillies vs Cubs:
    • Wilbon: "The Cubs are going to win tonight… I believe the Cubs and Phillies will even their series." (15:32–16:08)
    • Tony: Praises Ohtani’s pitching for the Dodgers; amazed by his breaking ball.
    • Discussion on Dodgers pitcher management—Kershaw likely to start rather than come out of bullpen.

7. College Football: Penn State Upset & Coaching Fallout

• [17:14–19:12]
  • Biggest Story: Penn State, a contender, loses to a previously winless UCLA squad.
    • Tony: “The most compelling result was Penn State losing to a winless UCLA team… Penn State was No. 2… now they are MIA.” (17:19)
    • Wilbon: “Ding, ding, ding. That is the answer… How much further do they go with [James Franklin]?” (18:32, 19:06)
    • Tony: "They've won national championships, but at the end of the year, how much further do they go with him?" (19:05–19:12)

8. Happy Time—Notable Anniversaries & Athlete Highlights

• [21:07–23:49]
  • Trevor Lawrence (Jaguars QB) big Monday night game—time for a “transition.”
  • Steven Vogt: Celebrated for his unlikely move from player to Manager of the Year, historic Cleveland Guardians comeback.
  • Connor McDavid: Decides to remain with Edmonton Oilers; Tony highlights his “team-friendly” contract. Salary compared to NBA norms.

9. Lightning Round: Quick Hits

• [24:10–25:22]
  • Deion Sanders’ health concern—Wilbon: “Worried and hope the best for Coach Prime.”
  • Bengals QB struggles, Ja Morant ankle injury (“significant”), Skip Schumacher new Rangers manager, and WNBA Finals pitching “All-Desert” matchup.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On NFL parity:
  • Wilbon: “Nobody's going undefeated. There's no 72 Dolphins in this group.” (01:34)
• On premature celebrations:
  • Tony: “I would have cut him [Cardinals RB] last night… The celebration is more important to you than winning the damn game. Get out.” (07:17)
• On Ravens’ decline:
  • Tony: “That great historic defense, that's down the drain at the moment here… as we say in French at the moment, the Ravens say mort.” (06:30)
• On Penn State’s collapse:
  • Tony: “Penn State was number two in the country… now they are MIA. You don’t know where they are.” (17:19)
• On Connor McDavid’s new deal:
  • Mike: “By the way, his salary: $12 million a year. Do you know what the average salary last year in the NBA was? $11.9 million average.” (23:45)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Eagles & Bills Discussion: 01:03–04:42
• NFL’s Biggest Losses & Cardinals Meltdown: 04:55–08:00
• MLB Playoff Reactions: 08:41–11:43
• Mail Segment—Phillies, Cubs, & Ohtani: 14:52–17:14
• Penn State & College Football Shake-up: 17:14–19:12
• Happy Time (Lawrence, Vogt, McDavid): 21:07–23:49
• Quick Hits/Lightning Round: 24:10–25:22

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Tone & Style

Casual, witty, and unfiltered. Tony and Wilbon mix knowledgeable analysis with good-natured digs and visible frustration at repeated sports blunders. Their chemistry shines through spontaneous jokes (“You’ve ruined your whole life for the Cubs!”), exclamations (“Ding, ding, ding!”), and history-driven commentary.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode delivers a brisk, insightful, and irreverent review of a wild NFL Sunday, stunning upsets across pro and college football, and the continuing drama of October baseball. Tony & Wilbon’s conversational style distills chaos into analysis and entertainment, with memorable moments both for fans and casual listeners.

Transcript

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mike Wilbon]

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[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah. Not too long ago.

[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Did you know who he was? Of course. No, you did not.

[Mike Wilbon]

Of course I did.

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Mike Wilbon]

How could I not know the world famous Guy Fieri?

[Tony Kornheiser]

You don't watch cooking shows. You didn't know. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the ravens fall to 1 4. A cardinal makes a Cardinal error and the Yankees are in a hole. But we begin today with the NFL and the last two unbeaten teams, Buffalo and Philadelphia, going down to defeat. Wilbon, I am incredulous you actually had this.

[Mike Wilbon]

Ding, ding, ding, ding.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The Eagles lost to Denver, which scored the last 18 points of the game. And the Bills lost to New England, who got a terrific performance out of Drake May. Wilbon, what did these results say about any of the teams involved?

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, the first two teams, the teams that people presumed were going to win these games, the Eagles and Buffalo, nobody's going undefeated. There's no 72 dolphins in this group. You don't look at any team that has played through four weeks of this season and go, aha, they're the 85 Bears or the 72 Dolphins or the one loss 49ers teams with Joe Montana. You don't. They're not that great. So people.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Or the Patriots some years back or.

[Mike Wilbon]

The patriots that went 18 and.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Wilbon]

Or 17. They're not. They're not that. So you. So they're going to lose. Not only going to lose yesterday, they're all going to lose two or three more times at least. Even the best teams. And I still think the Eagles are among that. The Eagles, though. I, I will say this. So let's, let's narrow this down. What does this say about any One of the teams, specifically the Eagles, what are they doing? Throwing the ball every down, dropping back 40 times while calling 11 running plays. Like one. One designed rushing play in the second half while throwing the ball 20 or more. No, no, no. What. What are they doing? And so coaches get so fancy, and sometimes you get a new play caller, and I wonder if Sirianni, just as insane to this guy in the middle of the week. Step over. I'll call the plays. So the Eagles. Do I think something major is wrong with the Eagles or Saquon Buckley?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Mike Wilbon]

Is being overstated by every. Everybody who. Who talks about football today as being overstated. What's wrong with the Eagles? They're not on the same page. They'll be fine.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so both of these teams lost at home, which really surprised me, and I will add parenthetically here, did not surprise me as much as Washington going to Los Angeles and falling behind 10 nothing to the Chargers. Yeah. And then scoring the last 27 points and winning 27 10. I was stunned because I thought after the Chargers had lost to the Giants, they go back home and they win this game comfortably. So that. That surprised me the most. But I will. Let me get to the Bills, Billy.

[Mike Wilbon]

And the Bills.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Bills and the Eagles right here. Look, I agree with you that no team is going through undefeated, not through 17 games. That's not going to happen. So the takeaway for me is that we don't have a great team out there right now. Maybe we do. And that team has yet to unveil itself to us because this is really only like the end of Act 1 in the season so far. But I will say this. The teams that beat them, Denver and New England, they are in a resurgent mode now because they hired very good coaches. They hired Sean Payton and Mike Vrabel, and they have right now, Bo Nix is learning how to be a good quarterback. Drake May is learning how to be a great. A good quarterback. Jaden Daniels learning how to be a great quarterback. You don't have a good quarterback, you cannot win in this league. The Saints, the Giants, the Jets. Right now, the Bengals, the Browns, they can't win in this league. So, Mike, if you ask me, who's the MVP right now, it's only five weeks. Who's the MVP right now? My list is three. My list is Baker Mayfield, Dane Jones, Daniel Jones. Check Dak Prescott.

[Mike Wilbon]

What do I think Dak is? I just watched Dak in person throw three picks in a game two weeks ago.

[Tony Kornheiser]

He's got to score 40 for that one.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's overstated his. He beat the jets yesterday.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I understand, like, but I think those guys have been really good.

[Mike Wilbon]

He. He's been really good. I just watched him throw three picks in a game to lose, to get crushed. So, you know, but just let's, let's. Let's calm. Let's slow it down a little bit. We have other losses to discuss. Real bad ones. The Ravens failed a 1 and 4. 1 and 4 after getting blasted by the Texans. The Cardinals had a win over the Titans in a bag until dude just tosses the game away. The Raiders barely showed a pulse against the Colts. The Dolphins blew a 17 nothing lead to the Panthers. And the Giants turned the ball over five straight times while falling to the Saints. Meanwhile, your jets are now.05 after losing to those Cowboys. All right, Worst loss yesterday was what?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, so I'm tempted because you have a house in Scottsdale to say that. It's the Arizona card.

[Mike Wilbon]

That's what I'm gonna say.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Because they are at home. They are up, let's see, 21 to 3 against a winless team. And they lose 22 to 21. All because you're running back DeMarcado, I think is his name. A 72 yard run out of scrimmage, but he doesn't hold the ball going across the goal line. He flips it. They lose that. They'd have been up 22 in the fourth and they would not have lost that. And as a result, they lost that. They lost that game.

[Mike Wilbon]

They fall to 2 and 3 as opposed to being 3 and 2 on a week that the 49ers win. And probably you need to keep pace. That's right.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Just so. But I'm not. I'm not going to say that because I honestly believe that the worst loss by far is the Baltimore Ravens. The Baltimore Ravens are 1 and 4 in the 4 loss.

[Mike Wilbon]

Quarterback.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'll get to that. He don't play defense, does he?

[Mike Wilbon]

No, he doesn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So that's what I'll end up saying. So in those four losses, they've given up 160 points, 40 points a game. That defense, that great historic defense that's down the drain at the moment here, they have. They have imploded. All right? They gave up 44 points to the Texans, who were averaging 16 a game. They gave up 44. So as we say in French at the moment, the Ravens say. Mort. Okay, that's. It's not happening for them. It's not happening for them.

[Mike Wilbon]

Look, the Ravens was. That's bad. Right? And that that defense is non existent. What's worse franchise?

[Tony Kornheiser]

What's worse?

[Mike Wilbon]

The Cardinals. The game's over. The game's won. You're playing a winless team. You're at home. The game's over. Dude, just because everybody's got to do this now. Let me, let me, let me.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I would cut him. Let me. I would have cut him last night starting.

[Mike Wilbon]

Look, I saw this the first time it happened in modern memory. Desean Jackson.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah. Philadelphia Texas Stadium.

[Mike Wilbon]

I was there watching it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I think I was.

[Mike Wilbon]

And it was so stunning you couldn't believe in real time. And Deshaun Jackson went on to have a great career and then. Yeah, okay, but then we just saw this last week. We see it last week when dude on the Colts he just sort of gives it up. He's playing with the balls. He crosses the goats to playing with his food. I would cut people. You are so self if you're not selfish. You're so self centered. The celebration is more important to you than winning the damn game. Get out. I would throw people out.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The other games were fairly predictable. The Giants stink. Jackson dart is a work in progress.

[Mike Wilbon]

He's not as great as they had him being after work in progress like J.J. mcCarthy.

[Tony Kornheiser]

If we. Everything is a work in progress. So they lost to a winless team but nobody is surprised. Not really surprised on that. The jets are even worse.

[Mike Wilbon]

Irrelevant.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They're again their Rookie coach is now zero. No Jet coach has ever been 05 before. I don't know if he gets another year. No, no. The guy in Miami. McDaniel. They stink right now. That's a terrible loss.

[Mike Wilbon]

17.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The sands in the hourglass are running out on him. And the Raiders they're at least. They lost to a fairly decent team. The Colts are a fairly decent team.

[Mike Wilbon]

Not used to being one.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's move to playoff baseball. The Yankees who had given up 10 runs to Toronto in the first game gave up 13 runs in the second game. They are limping back to New York now. The Detroit Tigers were beaten late by Seattle yesterday. That series now tied at one. Wilbon, what was your biggest takeaway from the first four games in the American League Division Series?

[Mike Wilbon]

Max Freed getting bounced. That's it. That's all. I don't want to overstate this because I think the Yankees. I don't want to sound like Aaron Boone's twin but I believe the Yankees can come back and win game three in Ruth's house and they can be fun. We got a series. It's best three out of Five. So I believe that can happen. I sort of believe it will happen. I'm not saying I got the Yankees winning the Series. I'm saying the Yankees are going to win game three and then we'll see. But free getting, you know, did you. That's what. Because if that doesn't happen, if that game goes according to form, that series is also 1:1. Just like Detroit, Seattle, which was a tremendous game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I watched that game, the Yankee game. There was a look on Freed's face. He was forlorn. He did not know what was happening to him. Nothing he threw was reaching its intended target. I thought. I have to be honest here. I thought the Tigers were going to win. I did, too. Yesterday. I did, too. They had Tarek Skubal on the mound the last time we saw him.

[Mike Wilbon]

Gave up four or five hits.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The last time we saw him, he had 14 strikeouts. He ends up seven innings. He has two solo home runs to Polanco.

[Mike Wilbon]

Right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, but still, he only gives up two. And he strikes out seven. He strikes out nine, something like that.

[Mike Wilbon]

Very credible performance.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But the pitching staff on the other side limits the Tigers to just three hits. And then when the Tigers need relief and they go to the bullpen, they bring out Kyle Finnegan, who I watched for years in Washington. And it doesn't surprise me at all that three hits later, that game was over. Didn't surprise me.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yeah, but look, I think at least.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That'S a competitive series. Yankee Series. Not yet competitive.

[Mike Wilbon]

Not yet.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not yet.

[Mike Wilbon]

I just think there's a lot of drama to go in both those series. And by the way, the Yankees have.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Given up over 20 runs. You think they get back home because why? Because they're 4 and 2 against Toronto in Yankee Stadium.

[Mike Wilbon]

They're going to win game three.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, but if it goes back, if it goes back to Toronto where it's rain and runs, what do you think's going to happen?

[Mike Wilbon]

Okay, but let's see how it does. If it does, I just think that the Yankees can still. I like Boone's approach. I like him. By the way, have you ever heard.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Of this guy Yousavich? Had you heard of him?

[Mike Wilbon]

I heard of him, but I didn't.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Know he was 5 and a third of no hits and 11ks. I had not heard of Schlitler before. And I had not heard Savage.

[Mike Wilbon]

They're going to have to deal with Schlitler.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, yeah, he's got a second pitch.

[Mike Wilbon]

He gave four.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Right. Okay, but you. Okay, so you don't compare him to Jackson Dart in other words, you don't think that was a one shot and.

[Mike Wilbon]

Then he what he did. When you're a pitcher and you've got the ball, in your case, you're in control of that game. I guess the quarterback is as well. No, I don't have him being Jackson Dart going four turnovers.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Let's take a break. Coming up, Penn State failed to ucla, but was that the most compelling result of college football weekend? Spoiler alert.

[Mike Wilbon]

Wow. Philz Cubs who's going to ev in their divisional series tonight? If either one of them one of them better they both better.

[Tony Kornheiser]

The Yankees were down 120 in the fifth yesterday.

[Mike Wilbon]

Doesn't even matter.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Doesn't matter. You don't think there's momentum here?

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[Tony Kornheiser]

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[Mike Wilbon]

That little alliteration.

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[Mike Wilbon]

All right.

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Which team is more likely to even their series tonight, the Phillies or the Cubs?

[Mike Wilbon]

I mean, the Phillies in that lineup, you know, and they led three better.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Than San Diego's lineup, isn't it?

[Mike Wilbon]

And they're home. They're home. Home field in baseball is not like home field in football or the NBA. It isn't. I guess my natural inclination with Lizardo pitching is to say philadelphia, what about your team? Well, wait a minute. I see.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You've ruined your whole life for the Cubs.

[Mike Wilbon]

The Cubs are going to win tonight.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, in the last two seasons, we have had the edge on the Cheeseheads, including 7. 6 this year, even though they won the division by five games. Yeah, Craig Council made a big mistake trotting our all star out there on short rest to pitch game one. Matthew Boyd. There's no point in doing that. Just own it. He didn't own it. I don't like that. But I'm a Council guy. I believe in playing against this old team. There's a trick, at least a couple of aces up his sleeve. I believe the Cubs with Imanaga, will bounce back tonight. Even though Imanaga's giving up a lot of runs in Milwaukee. I believe the Cubs and Phillies will even their series.

[Tony Kornheiser]

So I wish you luck tonight.

[Mike Wilbon]

Thank you.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You've been talking about Imanago all year.

[Mike Wilbon]

Yes, I have.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yes, the brewers have been a better team. They won five more games. But we all root for a competitive series. I just want to talk briefly about the Phillies, who I think will win. The Phillies and the Dodgers. I actually want to talk about Shohei Ohtani and pitching. Now, the Phillies got to him in one inning. Their right handed batters took him to right Field. They got three runs off him, but his line at the end was six innings with nine strikeouts. And to me, I haven't seen him pitch really for the Dodgers. Been years since I've seen him pitch. I think of him as a hitter and just a hitter. And when I saw him pitch, I was actually amazed at how good he was. How much the ball breaks. How much the ball breaks. And you know what? Yeah. And you know what I'd like to see as well? They. Who did they go to? They went to Glasnow out of the bullpen. I'd like to see them go to Kershaw out of the bullpen.

[Mike Wilbon]

They can't do it. You know why? No, I'm convinced I told you this.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Why?

[Mike Wilbon]

Because I believe Kershaw is going to start maybe game four.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, okay.

[Mike Wilbon]

I believe that last one. I mean, who would you rather have start for you if you had to go to that game?

[Tony Kornheiser]

He finished 11 and 2 this year, so I'd rather have him start.

[Mike Wilbon]

Okay, we agree on that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay.

[Mike Wilbon]

College football time.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah.

[Mike Wilbon]

What was the most compelling result of the college football weekend?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Okay, the most compelling result was Penn State losing to a winless UCLA team. A winless team. A team that fired its coach two weeks ago. A team that had gotten to this point in four games. 57 points, and they got 42 on Penn State. Penn State was number two in the country a couple of weeks ago. And now they are mia. You don't know where they are. We knew the James Franklin's. Well, I'll get to them in a second. We knew James Franklin would lose to good teams. Didn't know he'd also lose to bad teams. And yes, let's make room for Texas, the preseason number one. Also mia, send out a search party. They lose to Florida, the most disappointing team in the country until this game, had one win against liu. I grew up on Long Island. I didn't know that LIU even had a football team and won.

[Mike Wilbon]

Blackbirds.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They were the Blackbirds. And one small only basketball. One small other thing. Bill Belichick down to Clemson. Wait, 35 to 3 in the second quarter. Is it Chapel, Bill? Or is it Chapel Swill. And that's the end of my routine.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's bad. Carolina's bad, but okay, they're irrelevant.

[Tony Kornheiser]

How about Penn State?

[Mike Wilbon]

Penn State. Ding, ding, ding. That is the answer to your question.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, about that.

[Mike Wilbon]

I mean, I feel bad for my friend Heather Dennis right now, who said they were going to win the national championship this year.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It looks unlikely because they're not going.

[Mike Wilbon]

To win the national championship, it looked like. Here's a question. And you and I started to discuss this right away, like everybody else. I'm sitting in Chicago having the score. I'm sitting at the Northwestern game.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What are you doing?

[Mike Wilbon]

Having the score. Related.

[Tony Kornheiser]

What do you do with it?

[Mike Wilbon]

Don't you think? And you were watching it? I couldn't see it. I called you. Didn't you think Penn State was going to rally and win that game?

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sure.

[Mike Wilbon]

We both did.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Sure.

[Mike Wilbon]

Now, what do you do with Franklin, A guy who's been a worthy coach at a place where football matters.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Matters? They've won national championships.

[Mike Wilbon]

You're not going to fire him during the season?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No, no, no, no, no. But at the end of the year, how much further do they go with him? Right? How much further do they go?

[Mike Wilbon]

This is a stunning result. UCLA is unthinkably bad. Really? I saw them last week. I'm glad they were bad.

[Tony Kornheiser]

They lost in Evanston. Beat him by 20.

[Mike Wilbon]

Well, the final wasn't 20, but we handled it enough.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Email. Let's take one last break. Still to come, Connor McDavid decides whether he'll be staying and playing in Edmonton.

[Mike Wilbon]

And the Las Vegas Aces. Excuse me. Take the first two from Phoenix. In the desert. Which end of the desert? Maybe UCLA wasn't that bad. Maybe we just post it.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Oh, stop it. Huh? Oh, stop it. 54 points in four games.

[Mike Wilbon]

They were probably better than we thought.

[Tony Kornheiser]

You like this jacket?

[Mike Wilbon]

I like that jacket.

[Tony Kornheiser]

That's a pretty nice jacket, isn't it?

[Mike Wilbon]

It's very nice.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's got the white butt.

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[Tony Kornheiser]

Happy time people. Happy 26th birthday. Trevor Lawrence Lawrence will be on center stage tonight as his Jaguars play Kansas City on Monday Night Football. Lawrence was widely considered a can't miss prospect when he came out of Clemson having won one national championship and gotten to another. Lawrence lost only two games in college. Wilbourn, you said he was the best quarterback prospect you ever saw after Elway, but so far Lawrence has kind of sort of missed. He was a Pro bowler in 2022 when the Jaguars went to the playoffs and won a game, but since then, nothing much. So far this season, Lawrence has 845 yards passing, five touchdowns, four interceptions and a 49.2 quarterback rating.

[Mike Wilbon]

Isn't this kind of a big game for him? I think I don't want to overstate it, but big season sort of. He can have that transition and I'm not gonna say he's up Boston because I don't believe that. But if he can win this game and sort of get some momentum, I agree with that.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Yeah, Happy anniversary. Steven Vogt around this day three years ago in the final game of his playing career, the veteran Age Patrick was introduced over the PA system at Oakland Coliseum by his young children. Innings later vote would send the last pitch he ever saw as a major leaguer over the right. Surprisingly, Vogt was named manager of the Cleveland guardians for the 2024 season, led them to first place in the AL Central Winning Manager of the Year honors. Vogt followed that up this season with a scorching and historic September. Cleveland passed the tigers for the AL Central crown after being down 15 and a half games in July, the largest deficit a team has ever overcome to win a division or a league catcher.

[Mike Wilbon]

They see the whole field, they pull the game. By the way, you don't need a PA system in Oakland. That old Oakland ballpark is so empty you could just walk around and do an individual introduction back then.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's too bad he became the manager. He's done a hell of a job amount of time. Happy trails to leaving Edmonton for Connor McDavid. The biggest star in the game has decided to stay with the Oilers after an off season of deliberating his options. The deal is A team friendly 2 years $25 million which get tacked on to this season so the 3 time league MVP will continue his quest for his first Stanley cup with the only NHL franchise for which he has played. The Oilers have made the final the last two seasons, falling to the Panthers both times. By the way, the Panthers begin their quest for a three peat tomorrow night at 5pm on this very channel. Bumping us to the Deuce.

[Mike Wilbon]

The Panthers are going against that other Connor, my Connor Bedard and the Blackhawks. I'm Rooting again for McDavid. And by the way, his salary. $12 million a year. Do you know what the average salary last year in the NBA was? Average.

[Tony Kornheiser]

67 million.

[Mike Wilbon]

$11.9 million average.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Joel Embiid makes that in a single game, right? He makes that in a single game. One Correction. LIU are now or is now LIU are now the Sharks. Though they were once the Blackbirds.

[Mike Wilbon]

Why would you change from the blackboards? Birds. And it's a great nickname. You don't like that, chances are you're a fool. Blackbirds. Great nickname.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Such a good basketball team in the like.

[Mike Wilbon]

Never had football, right?

[Tony Kornheiser]

No.

[Mike Wilbon]

Not.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Not to my nose. Not to my. No. Let's go to the big finish. Colorado coach Deion Sanders believes he has more blood clots in his leg. Your fault.

[Mike Wilbon]

I read all about this Saturday. Heard Deion's comments. Worried and hoped the best for Coach Prime. Bengals coach Zach Taylor says the team will evaluate its options at quarterback. What does that mean?

[Tony Kornheiser]

What it means is that Browning has eight interceptions in the four games that he has played. They don't win the games, so they're looking around to see what they can do. John Moran week to week after spraining his left ankle in practice. Is that significant?

[Mike Wilbon]

Where Memphis just left off? Yes. It's significant. They don't seem to be able to get around this portion of the program. Rangers hire Skip Schumacher to replace Bruce Bochy. Is he a good hire?

[Tony Kornheiser]

He managed a couple of years at the Marlins and brought him to the playoffs one year was manager of the year. I think he's pretty good. I think it's pretty good. Last one. The Aces are up two nothing on the Mercury in the WNBA finals.

[Mike Wilbon]

Is that a big deal? Yes. But we swing to the southern end of the desert now for the All Desert final. Isn't it? It's a best of seven. I believe the best First. Best of seven. Wnba.

[Tony Kornheiser]

But all desert.

[Mike Wilbon]

It's a long all Desert final. You got to love that. Weather's getting good out there right now.

[Tony Kornheiser]

It's great. We're out of time. We'll try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Cornhunt.

[Mike Wilbon]

I'm Mike Robon. We're bumped to the Deuce by hockey tomorrow.

[Tony Kornheiser]

Eight years ago, I blew my football career.

[Mike Wilbon]

He dropped it at the one yard line.

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[Mike Wilbon]

If I can't play as Russ, I'll play as someone else.

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[Chad Powers Hulu Promoter]

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[Mike Wilbon]

Remember, you're wearing a prosthetic mask.

[Chad Powers Hulu Promoter]

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[Mike Wilbon]

Tolly, not rubber.

[Tony Kornheiser]

I'm a man made of flesh.

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