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Quick break. Let's talk pizza. You want to bring restaurant quality pizza home this football season? Get Frigidaire's stone baked pizza oven fresh pizzas go from dough to done in just two minutes right from your kitchen and ready before halftime. Perfect for watch parties or just upgrading pizza night without the delivery delay. Only from Frigidaire. Game ready pizza. Get it today at the Home Depot. How doers get more done.
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Pardon the interruption. I'm Mike Wilbaugh with no voice. Tony. A man wearing only a Speedo tried to barge into a police station in New Hampshire.
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I'm Tony Kornheiser. I was not wearing a Speedo. It was a bikini bottom.
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Okay. It wasn't.
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What happened to your voice?
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I don't know.
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It's awful.
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I was screaming at football games.
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Are you not gonna talk all day? Do I have to carry the whole show?
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Yes, you do. All right, all right.
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I can do that. Although I took a flu shot today. I'm a little fuzzy.
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Took a little shot too.
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Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Brian Kelly's out, Kim's Scatterbu is down, and the World Series is back. But we begin today with what was a pretty ordinary day in the NFL yesterday. Probably the first time all year. But there were a few extraordinary individual performances that bear discussing. At one point, Jordan Love completed 20 passes in a row as Green Bay went to Pittsburgh and beat old Packer Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers convincingly. Drake May got New England its fifth win in a row, went 1824 for 282 yards and three touchdowns in an easy victory over Cleveland. Bo nicks threw for four touchdowns, led Denver to 44 points against Dallas. And Jonathan Taylor rushed for 153 yards and 12 carries, ran for two touchdowns, caught a third touchdown as Indianapolis obliterated Tennessee. Wilbon, use your voice sparingly. Which performance were you most impressed by?
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Jonathan Taylor is my runner up cuz running backs were forgotten. And he is like he could have played in that era where every good.
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Team was don't steal my stuff. I'm going there. Don't steal my stuff.
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I haven't looked at your notes yet, but. But I'm gonna go with. I'm gonna go with love. I'm gonna go with him. I did something last night. I've like done maybe three times in 60 years. I rooted for the Cheeseheads.
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Oh, you did?
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I rooted for the Cheeseheads. Cause I would rather anybody on God's earth win a game than Aaron Rodgers. So I rooted for Love. And you know what, Tony? At the beginning of the year, it seemed presumptuous and a little silly when a lot of people started mentioning him for preseason, for mvp. He hadn't done well.
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You had them in the super bowl after week one. I did okay.
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He had. And they looked like they could be. He hadn't done anything to justify that much confidence. But when you complete 20 in a row, you're down two scores and you play like it. He was so unflappable and he made every throw and they seem effortless. His size, he's gotta be what, six' five and a half? He's a big dude.
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He did.
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And I just loved it that Aaron Rodgers had to settle for a hug and a goodbye.
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Yeah. So I thought all the quarterbacks were uniformly good.
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They were terrific.
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Love did what I expected. He rose to the moment. He is that good. Drake May.
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This is that good. He's getting there.
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Drake May has done this all year, right? He's done this all year. The combination of Drake May and Mike Vrabel has turned that team around. Yeah, the Patriots are turned around. Bo Nix was Sean Payton's specific choice in the draft to be the quarterback of that team. They are now 6 2, the same as New England. Bo Nix was the sixth quarterback picked in that draft, all in the first round. May was the third. What a draft. Those two. Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Michael Penix Jr. And J.J. mcCarthy. It's a great draft, but I'm old as you are old. And I am old school as you are old school. And so when a running back does that, in a past happy era, when a running back has a night like that or a day like that, I concentrate on that. He made that impossibly great 80 yard run where he tightropes on the sidelines. It's absolutely fabulous. But Also he had 73 other yards in 11 other carries, which means, Mike, that even on his bad carries he was almost 7 yards. Per a couple of stats that you're going to love. He now has 12 touchdowns in. In eight games. He has 63 touchdowns in 75 games. Here's the list of the people ahead of that all time. Jim Brown, Emmett Smith, Ledamian Tomlinson and Adrian Peterson. Okay. I mean, and let us, let us be fair here. I know you don't think there's a great team out there. Indianapolis is 7 and 1.
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They've got a great offense.
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Indianapolis, with him and Daniel Jones, they have been spectacular. And the Giants cut Daniel Jones. How's that working out?
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Everything The Colts, everything they do, most.
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Surprising team in the league, by far.
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Gotta be.
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Gotta be most surprising.
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Let's move then to college football and LSU's firing of your boy Brian Kelly.
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My boy.
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The move came after The Tigers fell by 24 at home. The third ranked Texas A&M. LSU is 5, 3 this season, 2 and 3 in the SEC overall. Kelly, with 34 and 14, still has $54 million left on his deal.
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Wow.
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Tony, does this move make sense to you? And what does it say about Kelly, about LSU and about college football?
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Does it make sense? It makes sense right now because of all these firings. We are witnessing a 100 year flood. We've never seen anything like this before.
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Because it never happened.
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They fired Mike Gundy after three games. They fired James Franklin after six games. They fired Napier after seven and a win. And also ucla, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, Oregon State. In a normal year, I think Kelly might survive till the end of the year because to be fair, here are the three teams he's lost to are now ranked number three, number seven and number nine in the country.
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Right.
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But a feeding frenzy has been created in lsu, as you would have expected, has jumped in. This is a failure for Brian Kelly. Objectively, this is a failure. And on a very personal level, it's a significant failure because he was at Notre Dame. Notre Dame can win a national championship. We've seen, we've seen them win national championships. And he left specifically to go to LSU to win a national championship because he knew they'd won them before his national championship. That's how he looked at that. And he promised he was going to get his national championship. Will they have lost three games this year? He has never been in the playoffs. So this is a real failure.
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Yeah, part of this makes me smile a little bit because he was so arrogant about it, about the transition. I'm going to leave Notre Dame, Notre Dame and go someplace that I can win a national championship. Do you think the rest of us are fools?
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That's right.
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And he sort of got what was coming. Now, is it the right move? Probably not. Because lsu, like so many other schools, are led by administrators and boosters who are so damn arrogant themselves and rich, think it's their birthright. Not all of them are rich. Let's not make LSU stand for.
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They're coming up with this money. They're coming up with the money.
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They got enough people to come up with the money. But Tony, don't tell me they can automatically just because everybody else had won a championship in four years.
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Or J and Miles.
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Don't tell me that they are automatically going to find the coach who's going to deliver a championship in a couple of years.
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Let me tell you something.
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So I, I, is it the right one thing, the 100 year flood? Tony, it's never happened. College football's never been this.
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So I watched as A and M put. Was it 35 in a row in the second half, 35 points in a row on LSU in Death Valley on a Saturday night. Right. Which never happens. That, that doesn't happen. Okay. And I went to sleep confident that Brian Kelly would be fired before I woke up in the morning.
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You were right.
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I missed by a few hours. I missed by a few hours because it was early in the afternoon.
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They were already talking, but they were.
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Working on it overnight because, you know, what about lsu? They don't wait long. They don't wait long.
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Where does Kelly go next?
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I have no idea.
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Cause, you know, he's not going to not coach.
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He should coach. He should coach. He's a good coach. James Franklin's a good coach. You know, but this was, this was the arrogance of pride.
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Yes.
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The arrogance of pride. Let's move to the World Series in game three tonight in Los Angeles with the Dodgers starting Tyler Glasnow and the Blue Jays starting the Warrior God, Max Scherzer. Series is tied one to one. Toronto won Game 1 with hitting. The Dodgers won Game 2 with starting pitching, Wilbon, what have you learned so far?
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I'm afraid your boy may be reduced to warrior prince. I don't know that he can be Warrior God anymore.
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It's a tough matchup.
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Yeah, well, he's 41 years old, but Tony.
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Sounds good to me.
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41, okay.
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Sounds good to you?
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Not if we were sitting on the rubber. When is the last time you stood out there and tried to reach home plate?
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Been a long time.
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Okay. You and I have both thrown out ceremonials.
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That's right.
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It's been a long time. All right, so pitching 1, game, 1. Hitting 1, game, 2. As long as the Dodgers can have their starter.
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Pitching one game, two. Hitting one game.
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I'm sorry. I reversed it.
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I know. I understand that.
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As long as the Dodgers can have a starting pitcher out there.
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That's right.
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Go seven, eight, nine. Yeah, they're in it. That's right. But if they have to go to a bullpen whose Postseason ERA is 5.3, they're going down.
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Here's what we have learned collectively. We have learned that the Achilles heel of the Dodgers is their bullpen.
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Yes.
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I talked to Buster only today. Had him on the podcast today. And Buster, you know, he used the phrase the circle of trust. And he said, dave Roberts, the circle of trust in a bullpen is only two guys. It's only Sasaki and Blake Trinen. And I pointed out, I watched Blake Trinen in Washington. I don't know that I'd be that presumptuous. But their starters have to go 7, 8, 9. Blake Snell was over 30 pitches in the first inning and that was an ominous sign because the bullpen collapsed and then Yamamoto went nine again. Again. And they won games, two in a row. Yes, but then he was averaging almost 10 pitches in 5, 6, 7, 8 or something like that. I think Glasnow has to go seven or eight, and Glasnow has been hurt this year. That's a tough task to have him do. But, I mean, they have to do that. They cannot go to the bullpen.
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Don't you think this is a long series because of the small margin of error?
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I think it's a long series because we are watching two completely opposite teams. And that's fine.
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They seem to be.
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They have different strengths. Toronto can hit Toronto fouls. A lot of pitches off. They go deep into counts. They don't strike out much.
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But you laid up for two years. Where's the top of that order? Who's other than Shohei's bombs? Where's the top of the Dodger order?
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This is the problem. The top of the Dodger order with three hall of Famers is now batting. I wrote this down.
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Four for seven.
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239. 239 in the playoffs. They've got to be better than that. Yeah, they've got to be better than that.
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Games at home.
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So like, you know, you say to yourself, well, they also have three in a row and you can burn out your bullpen. Three in three days. You say to yourself, game three is usually pivotal. I don't think it is here. I think the matchup is such that I'm not sure it's pivotal. Let's take a break. Coming up, the jets get their first win of the season. Yeah, I saw that. But did the Ravens or Dolphins have an even bigger one?
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And was Vandy's win over Missouri the most compelling on the college football.
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Do you have tea?
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Cause you're really rasp and honey.
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What do you think this is from tea and honey? Screaming.
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Screaming at football, not at the family. Big losses, not at the family. Northwestern beers.
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Oh, yeah.
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Screaming.
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Yeah, I understand.
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Welcome back to Pardon the Interruption. Presented by Twisted Tea Hard Iced Tea Part of happy hour.
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Time to find out what's rankling the riff raff in mail time. Let me see what's first. Put on the glasses. Let's start to read Biggest win for a struggling team. Jets, Ravens or Dolphins?
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Ravens. The Ravens are the only team that we're gonna talk about beyond like today. All right, so let me just go back to the jets for a second. You know I love Justin Fields. I root for Justin Fields no matter what uniform he's in. And I root for him specifically. I couldn't possibly root for their owner, who I find loathsome at times. So I'm rooting for Justin Fields despite the owner. But the Ravens is the answer to your questions. The Ravens understood and spoke of it before the game. This is a playoff game. We have to win it. They went out there and beat the Bears to it and they're back in the mix.
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You don't want to mention the Dolphins. Not particular. Okay, so this show is based on on fundamental disagreement. I have no disagreement. The answer here is the Ravens and the reason is because they can actually still make the playoffs in their terrible division and the other two teams cannot.
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That's right.
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Okay. It's nice that the jets got a win. I watched that. It was the most exciting game on board yesterday in the fourth quarter. It was wonderful to watch. And it smile that no matter who the Cincinnati quarterback is, they can score 38 and lose. Wow. Joe Flacco deserved to win that game. The defense is terrible. Nice to see the Dolphins get a win because we had parked them on the side of the road for a few weeks. Tua had a good game, four touchdown passes and did not insult any of his teammates.
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But they're still parked there.
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But it's. Yes, it is. The Baltimore Ravens to win a game without Lamar, to beat a pretty good team. The Bears are a pretty good team now. They're home. They're home in Baltimore.
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They should win that game.
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They should win.
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Coming off a by should 8 and 1 in their last nine games.
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To win without Lamar Jackson is a huge boost to the team. And had they lost that game even in their lousy division, I would have said they were done. So I do. I mean, I agree with you.
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Just to point out something, the last time the Bears and Ravens played in 2021, Hunley, not Lamar, beat them.
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Is that right?
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So this is individual. Just four years ago, college football, beyond Texas A and M beating lsu, which we already talked about, what was the most compelling result of the college football weekend?
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Okay, so number one to me is Alabama. Alabama wins late in South Carolina on the road. They score a touchdown. They have a fabulous two point conversion on an option play to tie the game, which I then think is then going into overtime. But they get the ball back with under two minutes to go. Where they go 38 yards down the field and they won. That's a big win for them. Number two for me is Indiana. Indiana destroyed UCLA. They beat him by 50 points. Indiana does not take its foot off the gas with Signetti.
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And obviously you kind of raise your eyebrows at that.
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I did it earlier in the year in Illinois. Well, yeah, he's out there. He wants a lot of points. He obviously said to this team, there's going to be no letdown here, kids. And if you don't think coaching matters, coaching matters would signet.
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I'm going to go off road a bit and first of all, let me give a big hug to Vandy and Georgia Tech.
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Oh yeah, yeah.
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Every week when they keep up historic wins. Vandy beating Mizzou got into this record 7 and 1 for the first time since 19.
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There was no points in the first half.
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And Georgia Tech beating no for the first time since 1966. Yeah, but I'm going further off road than that.
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Where you going?
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BYU over Utah.
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Okay.
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BYU's undefeated. Yep. They're ranked eight. But they're going to play at Texas Tech in two weeks. And Texas Tech is ranked right behind him. Come on, that's a big game and it's off of the big 10 sec beaten path. I like to see this. I want to see whether or not BYU or Texas Tech has a chance at or in the playoffs.
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So I believe this is true that the Big 12, which we think of as a non conference mostly has a lot of ranked teams this year. Yeah, they did. Yeah, they have a lot of ranked teams. So you didn't mention any Big Ten stuff. You didn't. Indiana.
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Well, you meant you took Indiana.
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Would you have taken it?
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That was the only one.
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Okay.
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That was the only one.
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Enough email. Let's try one last break or take one last break. If I could read. But still to come, the Chiefs try to make it three wins in a row tonight.
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Now will the Lakers be okay with Aluka? Northwestern got hosed at Nebraska by the Big Ten officiating crew which was too gutless to make a call. Really gutless to make a call late a holding call on a would be touchdown pass. They didn't make it. People should be suspended. Now I just mentioned Is that how.
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Your voice got like this?
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Screaming. I didn't even scream at Mike Gleason. No, I did not scream at Architect Hustle.
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Pardon the interruption is presented by the refreshing taste of twisted tea Hard iced tea. Please drink responsibly. Part of happy hour.
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Happy time people. Happy 66th birthday. Rick Carlisle we go back a long way with Carlisle to when he played for Terry Holland at uva. Back to when all three of us had hair. Carlisle was a nice player at Virginia playing with Ralph Sampson, but Carlisle's basketball acclaim comes from coaching not playing, though he was on the 1986 world champion Boston Celtics. Carlisle coaches the Pacer who he guided to the NBA Finals last season and might have won at Tyrese Halliburton. Not torn his Achilles, Carlisle won an NBA title coaching Dallas and Dirk Nowitzki in 2011. Previously, Carlisle had been Coach of the Year in Detroit in 2002. Before he left Dallas, Carlisle was the third longest tenured coach in the league behind Gregg Popovich in San Antonio and Eric Spolster in Miami.
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Quick story. Back when I was doing the lion's share of covering University, Virginia and Ralph and Rick Carlile, I would quote this young guy all the time, Rick Carlisle, who wasn't even starting and you and our dear boss George Solomon would say, don't you know there's a guy named Ralph Sampson on that team?
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Talk to him.
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Why are you quoting this Carlisle kid all the time?
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Well it turns out worked out pretty.
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Good scouting by me, right?
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Very good, very good.
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He's a great coach.
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Rick Carlisle Happy Anniversary. David Freese on this day 14 years ago in game six of the World Series, the Cardinals third baseman hit a game tying two run triple with two out in the ninth against Texas. Two innings later, Freese hit a walk off home run which sent the World series to Game 7, which the Cardinals would win. In that 2011 post season, Freese batted.397, 25 hits, 5 home runs, 8 doubles in that triple and drove in 21 runs in 18 games. Think about that.
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Crazy.
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Freese had an OPS of 1.258. For all this, Freese won MVP awards in both the NLCS and the World Series and he won the Babe Ruth Award as MVP of the entire postseason. Ruth's career postseason OPS was 1.214. So that year David Freese was actually better than the Bambino and he was.
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Better for the amount to his hometown team. It was a Missouri, Missouri high school there and he's been out of baseball for six years. But Tony, that that one period when he was doing that for the Cardinals.
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Tremendous.
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It was tremendous.
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That's a tremendous run. Happy trails. Cam Scatterboo, Giants rookie running back, dislocated his ankle in Sunday's loss to the Eagles and is out indefinitely, likely for the season. Scatterboo's relentless running style has won him big fans and the Philly crowd even gave him a standing O as he was carted off the field. Brian Daboll has now lost Scatterboo and Malik Nabors in what could be a make or break season for him.
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I don't know that you can get beyond losing both those guys because Nabors, just as a football player is on a rocket ship and Scatterboo gave them a certain energy presence that was undeniable. Absolutely hated seeing him get hurt.
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And he sort of teamed with Jackson Dart. I mean, people treat him the same way.
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No doubt.
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We would like to note the passing of Nick Mangold. The longtime Jet center has died of complications from kidney disease at the age of just four. Mangold made seven Pro Bowls with the Jets. He was an ironman who played five seasons before missing his first game and missed just four games over his first 10 years. Mangold suffered from a rare genetic disorder and recently made a public appeal for a kidney transplant. A couple of things to clean up on byu. They beat Iowa State this week. They beat Utah the week before and they are now ranked number 10, not number 8. Let's go to the big finish if we could. Luka out at least a week with a finger sprain and leg contusion. Anthony Edwards out two weeks with a right hamstring strain. Bigger loss.
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Well, the Lakers are already missing LeBron. I know Austin Reaves went crazy. 51, but it's still. The answer, I think is Luka. I think it is. The Orioles have hired Craig Albernaz as their new manager. You like this hiring?
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Okay, he was a minor league catcher. Every single catcher becomes a manager. If parents want their kids to have a long career in baseball, make them a catcher. Because then you go on to being a manager. Cam Boozer had 24 points and 23 rebounds against Tennessee in another Duke exhibition. That's something or nothing.
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Is this different than Cooper Flag? No.
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Is he as good as Cooper Flag?
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These numbers, this production. Lionel Messi scored two goals and Inter Miami's 31 win over Nashville. You're impressed, right?
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So forget if I'm impressed. I got texts today from Taylor Swift.
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Oh, wow.
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C
He's angry at you because you said you didn't care about watching this. He wants you to go to game two. I love to go. He'll take you to game two. What if there isn't a game?
- [24:55]
B
Can't go to game two.
- [24:56]
C
Last one. Commanders in Chiefs tonight. Who you got, big boy?
- [24:59]
B
There's no Jaden Daniel. You gotta go with Kansas City at home and they're pulling out of it, so, you know, not a trap pick for me. No. I got one thing to say to you before we go, baby. Go, girl. Put it on me.
- [25:11]
C
Oh, yeah, that's good.
- [25:14]
B
No.
- [25:15]
C
We tried to do better than we will try to do better the next time. And Steven Michael Fader.
- [25:19]
B
Shout out. You're familiar with Ja Morant's work? I'm Mike Wilbox. Same time tomorrow, knucklehead. Wait.
- [25:24]
E
Hey, fans. Welcome back to Fansville's cheers and tears.
- [25:31]
B
Aw.
- [25:32]
E
Okay, so like, everybody deals with losing, right? To a rival and a last second field goal.
- [25:36]
B
Whatever.
- [25:37]
A
It's fine.
- [25:37]
B
I'm totally fine. Bite.
- [25:38]
E
But I cope with losing with an ice cold Dr. Pepper. Those 23 flavors are like so delicious. They totally wash away the pain of your college football team taking a big fat L. College football? It's a pepper thing.