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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbond. I was in New York for get up this morning and now I'm in Boston for the Knicks Celtics.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tony Kornheiser, I'm glad you could fit us in in your busy training schedule.
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Mike Wilbon
Effort.
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Tony Kornheiser
Getting a lot of extra points.
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Mike Wilbon
Effort.
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Tony Kornheiser
You know you're getting points for training. It's a good thing you get free training.
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Mike Wilbon
Where am I getting points from? Who's giving me points? Are there Amtrak points? Are there a seller points?
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, yeah.
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Mike Wilbon
You would help me?
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Tony Kornheiser
Absolutely. There are Amtrak points.
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Mike Wilbon
You would actually know that.
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Tony Kornheiser
Tell you what, you give me your points, I'll be able to go to California at some point. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Steph Curry hurts a hamstring. The Canes beat the Caps, and Tim Legler joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with Indiana once again beating Cleveland in Cleveland to take a 20 lead in their playoff series. And once again, Tyrese Halliburton was the hero, missing a foul shot off the rim, gathering the rebound and and sinking a 3 for the winning margin 120 to 119. Well, Vaughn, is your focus on the Pacers improbable ending or the Cavaliers last minute collapse?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony, there's certainly elements of both. I mean, how about the simple element that we start to learn in grade school or you know, you'll be CYO league of blocking out, blocking out at the free throw line. You just cannot let somebody come crashing in. And two plays really cost. That play twice cost the Cleveland Cavaliers and Donovan Mitchell and his almost heroic night. You could concentrate on that. But the more I see these clips, the more I got to go with Halliburton. I got to praise the Pacers more than I criticize the Cavaliers because Halliburton, they're chanting. You can hear it. They're chanting overrated. And I know this is one of your favorite things the last couple of days, overrated. What? And it's like Halliburton said to them, overrate this. It was quite the moment, Tony. And it Wasn't just Halliburton, of course, but, I mean, you got to mention him first and foremost because he made these enormous plays. And so twice in a week, you know, it's amazing to have this happen with so little time left and to go up to nothing now on the number one seed in the East.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So what I focus on is different. What I focus on are the three Cleveland Cavaliers who did not play because they were hurt. Darius Garland again, evan mobley and deandre hunter. Okay? They are three of their top six players, mike. They combine for 53 points a game. How are you going to find 53 points a game in the playoffs? You're playing Indiana. You're not playing the Wizards. This is a very, very hard thing to do. My sense of this is that Halliburton absolutely needs to be praised. And my other focus is on the people who voted him. The NBA players who voted him the most overrated player in the NBA. Really? Why don't you step forward and be counted so we can make fun of you? This guy knocked out Milwaukee a week ago with a last second shot. And he went up 2 nothing last night with a last second shot. He had 11 points in the fourth quarter. And I heard something this morning, Mike, that over the course of the season, within the last two minutes to hit a shot that either ties the game or puts you in front. Halliburton was 10 out of 11, Mike. I think that he is playing with a chip on his shoulder because of this stupid pole and also because his old man cannot get into the games and he is carrying this series and Cleveland's in real trouble.
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Mike Wilbon
Real trouble. You go down two and they gonna get those guys back. You're right, Tony. You gotta have them. And by the way, they're sprinting off the bench to high five and chest bump. And like, okay, I mean, might they get in the game and chest bump, but they need him. In last night's late game, the warriors took Game 1 from the T Wolves. Steph Curry, as you mentioned, was sidelined in the second quarter with that hamstring injury. Golden State filled the void with huge contributions from Draymond Green, Jimmy Butler and Buddy Heald for a second straight game. Reports are that Curry is out at least a week and then will be reevaluated. Tone. Does losing Curry until at least Game 5 diminished the warriors win in your mind?
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Tim Legler
No.
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Tony Kornheiser
Far from diminishing it. To me, it enhances it. They went and beat a team. The warriors beat the Timberwolves without Steph Curry playing the Second half, they went on the road against a better team and without their best player, they won. Now, I grant you, if he's going to miss Games 2, 3 and 4, at least that may diminish the warriors chances of winning the series. My hope was he would miss game two, come back for game three, and then so what? Because they'd already stolen game one. We know what happened last night to Steph Curry. He hurt his hamstring. What happened to your boy, Anthony Edwards? You sit here, you tell me all the time how great Anthony Edwards is. Anthony Edwards had one point in the first half. He missed his first 10 shots. He shot 1 for 5 from 3. Mike, that's the home team. The best player on the home team should be in the playoffs. The best player on the court, and they were collectively, they didn't shoot at all. If I have this right, they were 5 of 29 from 3. That's worse than the Celtics. And I can't believe this number I've got in front of me, but I'm told they're 12 of 76 in their last two games from three.
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Mike Wilbon
And Tony, they were like the number five three point shooting team in the league during the regular season. Not turning out that way so far. But let's go to the Anthony Edwards part of it. And by the way, I agree with you, it enhances the win because you go out there, you got to play close to three quarters without Stephen Curry and ask about it right away. Jimmy Butler said after the game, this is easier when we got Steph Curry. And now who knows what will happen. Just takes the wind out of my sails. As somebody who loves to watch Steph Curry and Tony, of course, a hamstring for him. The amount of mileage he runs during a game and the way he functions, he. He needs two legs. He's not a guy who can drag a leg through a series, I don't think like we saw Kawhi Leonard do back in 2019. But Jimmy Butler said this is easier when Steph Curry's out here. And now they're not going to have him. Tony, Anthony Edwards, he got some making up to do tomorrow at home. I mean, you know when you say I want the warriors, you want them. Want them for what? I mean, because last night they went out there and they took your lunch money. Now, I expect Anthony Edwards, who's still growing into this star thing, I expect him to respond. But he owes his teammates one. He does.
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Tony Kornheiser
His coach essentially said that his coach called him out. His coach called him out. Yeah. Of all the teams that lost game one, all four higher seeded teams, which had never happened before in NBA playoff history, this game surprised me the most because they were dead tired. They had to go seven with Houston, had to go on the road in game seven. The other team was rested and at home and they lost their best player. They can't win this game. They won the game. Let's go to hockey as we do in the third story every day lately. The Edmonton Oilers went down two nothing to Las Vegas in Las Vegas and then scored four unanswered goals to win last night. The Washington capitals were up 1 nothing halfway through the third period at home last night, then were tied by Carolina and beaten rather quickly in overtime. So Wilbon, who had the more impressive win, Edmonton or Carolina?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony. I pulled what I now call affectionately, I pulled a Kornheiser last night. I'm watching mostly basketball. I am on the Acela, on Amtrak, but I got the iPad. I'm able to watch stuff while I take my 2 hour and 57 civilized minute trip from Washington to New York. But when I see two nothing, I see two nothing. And then I start concentrating on other stuff. I start to watch, you know, Champions League semifinal. I mean just an unbelievable game there. And then I'm watching basketball two nothing and then all of a sudden I see that Edmonton comes back to to do its usual late game number and win this game that was so impressive. Edmonton keeps doing this tone, they keep falling behind. They did it against LA almost every game and now they have done it to take a lead against a better team. I'm going, as you know, with the.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oilers, okay, I did the same thing you did because I only have one tv, unlike you, I got one tv so I can either watch hockey or basketball. I started with the Cavaliers, they're up 20 in the third. I got off the game, I made another mistake because the Cavaliers lose the game. I go to the Capitals, they're up one nothing halfway through the third, they're at home. I figure they're going to win. I get off that game, I end up on the Washington Nationals double header with Cleveland. I missed everything. You should have said that. I will dispute you in this one thing. The reason the Carolina win is, is more impressive is because they outshot Washington 33 to 14. They smothered them. They absolutely smothered them. And the Capitals usually average almost 28 shots a game. They had 14 the whole game and none in the overtime. That's a very impressive win by Carolina on the road. Really is. Let's take a break on the road. Coming up, Tim Legler called the Celtics Game one performance, and I'm quoting here, an insult to basketball. We're going to ask him why.
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Mike Wilbon
Ooh, he did. We'll also ask him how he expects the Thunder to adjust to Nikole Najok gets you the Nuggets tonight in Game two. Lamin Yamal. He was the best player on any field or court in the world yesterday.
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Tony Kornheiser
I know you talked about him. Yamal of Barca Indiana's more stronger than Cleveland's will. Indiana has more will. They do. I do.
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Mike Wilbon
Wow.
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Tony Kornheiser
I do and I'm surprised this episode.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's dig back into the NBA playoffs with our great friend ESPN NBA analyst Tim Leger. Let me start with this. Steph Curry's injury. What can you do to improve a hamstring in a hurry? Is there anything available to him?
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Tim Legler
There is really isn't, Tony. And that's, that's really the devastating news here for Steph Curry and the Warriors. And when he grabbed it and reacted the way he did, the look on his face was of such concern. I really was worried for him in the moment and it's about as bad as I as I thought it could be. They're talking at least a week, it might be longer. He felt something that was very concerning in there and unfortunately there really isn't anything you're going to be able to do. He's going to be very gingerly testing this thing out over a period of the next week. I think it's a minimum of two, three games. Maybe it's more than that. And man, has this put the warriors in a tough spot. But at least they were able to hold on miraculously to Game one. So they did get the one win in Minnesota. They had to. They're going to go back to the friendly confines of their home court, but they are going to do that with a much different looking offense and much less freedom of movement for their role players because all the attention that Curry usually gets, unfortunately, they just have to wait this out.
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Mike Wilbon
Man, I hate that news. The Cavaliers legs, as you know, looked so good all season. They got assorted injuries now, but still the Pacers seem to just be confusing and confounding Cleveland at this point. What's Indiana doing? What is Rick Carlisle's group doing to achieve that result?
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Tim Legler
The analytical part of my brain looks at this just simply from what are the Pacers doing that the Cavs are having a hard time dealing with? And from that perspective, this is a very good offensive team in Indiana. Now they might not get a lot of eyeballs on them in the regular season. They're certainly not going to generate as many headlines as a lot of teams that we talk about in this league. I'm watching them and I'm quietly looking at them saying, man, this is a team that is a nightmare to defend because of the amount of pace they play with, led by their engine, Tyrese Halliburton. But they have so many different guys that are read and react players that fit into this system perfectly and Rick Carlisle empowers all of them. Every guy that takes the floor for the Pacers is confident to go out there and be themselves and do their job and contribute great chemistry, very difficult offense to contain. The other part of my brain says, wait a second, I didn't mention anything about the who the Cavs are missing because we can't just dismiss that. You're talking about an All Star point guard, Darius Garland, the defensive player of the year and an All Star in his own right. And Evan Mobley. And now a guy that gets six, six man of the Year votes and DeAndre Hunter, who might be their best perimeter defender. You take three of their best five players off the floor. I don't care what team you are, you're not going to survive that.
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Mike Wilbon
Legs, I heard you earlier today and I guess it started yesterday and I loved your characterization of Boston's three point obsession the other night being insulting. I called it arrogant. But let's go back to you since you are one of the great three point shooters in NBA history What did you find insulting?
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Tim Legler
Well, I think you and I were hitting on the same vein. Your word and my word, very similar, I think, of what we were watching. Here's what I meant by that. It's insulting to try to convince me, as somebody who I think knows what I'm watching and knows basketball, that the way they played on Monday night is the best version of themselves. Even though we all acknowledge that's their style. I felt that the shots they took were rushed. They label them uncontested. That doesn't mean they're not rushed. And I didn't understand, like, the frenetic pace of the release of the shot time after time. And what they did, Michael, was they extended the game for the Knicks because they created more possessions for the Knicks. And the Knicks knew, look, if they string some together, they're going to lose the game. They didn't. And the Knicks said, keep shooting them quick. First guy that gets daylight, let it fly. That's going to extend the game for us. Eventually, the Knicks started to score and they were very confident about the six minute mark. They were going to win that game because they knew that Boston was not going to adjust to it and make them work harder defensively. So the reason I found it insulting was because I think there is a better version of the best version of the Celtics. And we did not see that on Monday night. And the people that defended are going to say, well, this is what they always do. No, that's not true. They don't always take 37 threes after halftime. They don't always take 23 pointers in a quarter to 19 three pointers and a quarter out of 20 shots. Okay, so don't say it always looks like that. It was that on steroids. That's what you watched on Monday night. And it let the Knicks win again.
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Mike Wilbon
Amen.
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Tony Kornheiser
We will get you out of here on this and we'll talk about tonight's game. The Nuggets beat the Thunder in game one. Again, a higher seed went down at home. What adjustments do you expect from Oklahoma City in tonight's game two?
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Tim Legler
First and foremost, you've got to be tougher on the glass. They got manhandled. And it wasn't just jokic. He had 22 boards. It was Russell Westbrook, it was Christian Brown. It's the wings crashing. It's Aaron Gordon coming up with all of the balls that mattered on the floor. They were tougher and they were physically stronger. And I think they are a physically stronger team. Oklahoma City is a faster team that doesn't mean you can't get help with the physicality from your wings and creating more traffic for Jokic and Gordon and the guys that are trying to get on that glass, they've got to be tougher. They've got to play faster off of their defense, which they didn't do much of in the first game. I talk about these teams being the best version of themselves. I don't think Oklahoma City was that the other night and it still took an incredible comeback by the Nuggets to win that game. I think you're going to see a great response out of Oklahoma City in Game two. I know what I watched all year and they were better than that.
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Tony Kornheiser
Thank you Tim. Pleasure as always. Thank you.
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Mike Wilbon
Appreciate you. Thank you.
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Tony Kornheiser
Lets take one last break. Still to come, the Cowboys land a second big name wide receiver.
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Mike Wilbon
Oh, that's gonna make all the difference for the Cowboys. Should we expect tension between the Panthers and Maple Leafs tonight? Of course we should.
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Tony Kornheiser
There's tension between the Panthers and everyone, whoever they play, anybody. That's what they do.
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Mike Wilbon
It's great to have anybody with us. The Panthers in great to have Leopard.
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Mike Wilbon
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 49th birthday. Calvin Booth Booth, along with head coach Mike Malone, was fired by the Denver Nuggets. With three games to go in the regular season, Booth and Malone were said to be at odds and ownership didn't want either of them. Booth had been general manager of the Nuggets since 2000. Prior to working at Denver, Booth was director of player personnel at Minnesota and had been a scout in New Orleans. After a playing career that spanned 10 seasons and seven teams, Booth was drafted out of Penn State in the second round of the 1999 draft by the Wizards. Everyone wants to know the same thing Now. Are Booth and Malone rooting for the Nuggets in the playoffs?
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Mike Wilbon
Tony what seems really clear to be around them a little bit, and I have been for a few days now in the postseason, is that they just seem really together. Whatever they might not have been that led to that firing, they seem to have put that aside and just seem locked. It just seems impressive to be around, and I don't think they're actors. It seems real.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy anniversary. Bartolo Colon on this day nine years ago at the age of 43, Big Sexy hit the first and only home run of his 21 season major league career. The Mets were in San Diego, yet the home crowd roared the moment the ball left the yard. The Mets dug out, cleared out and hid in the hallway to tease Colon after his unexpected feat. Mets announcer Gary Cohn called it this way. Bartolo Colon has done it. The impossible has happened. Colon had 234 at bats in the National League and 65 at bats in the American League. With the universal DH, it's likely few pitchers will ever hit a home run again. Other than Shohei Ohtani, of course.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, I mean, Tony just seems lost, like from another time talking about pitchers and hitting and there were some really good hitting pitchers in the history of baseball. And now for it to be over, I don't know how I feel about that. I don't like it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Babe Ruth, for example, he could hit when he pitched.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
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Tony Kornheiser
Fortunately, Trail's George Pickens, the Steelers have agreed to trade their leading wide receiver and a sixth rounder to the Cowboys for a third and a fifth. Pickens caught 59 balls for 900 yards last season, but also caught flak from head coach Mike Tomlin last season who said, quote, he's got to grow up after Pickens was flagged for two unsportsmanlike conduct penalties and got involved in a scuffle. Pickens became available when the Steelers traded for DK Metcalf earlier this offseason. The Cowboys get him ahead of a contract here, so be prepared for a daily dose of will Pickens get his money.
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Mike Wilbon
Well, and another daily dose of who's going to be throwing the ball. Oh, wait, not to Pickens, but still in Pittsburgh. And it'll lead to, you know, so much speculation on that ayahuasca consuming quarterback whose name I won't mention.
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Tony Kornheiser
You don't have to mention him. As we go to the big finish, I'll give you his first name, but it's a good name. Aaron judge hit his 12th homer.
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Mike Wilbon
You impressed, Tony. You have to be impressed with everything Aaron Judge is doing right now, don't you? I mean, he's having another truly great Monument park sort of season. The Dodges put Teoscar Hernandez on the DL with a groin injury, saying he'll be out for a while. That's a big loss, isn't it?
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Tony Kornheiser
He's leading the majors in home runs. He's hard to leave with 34. Yes, it's a big loss. Of course, the Utah Hockey Club will take now be known as the Utah Mammoth. Is that okay with you?
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Mike Wilbon
I guess it's okay. It makes me laugh right now. But you get used to all these things, don't you? Like the Wizards and the Commanders. Your town has a lot of those made up new names. Thunder GM Sam Preston was named the NBA Executive of the Year. Isn't he the right choice?
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Tony Kornheiser
They had the best record in the NBA, didn't they? And he built the team. So, yeah, sure. Last one. Panthers leave some game two stars. Jets. Game one tonight. Who you got? Wilbur?
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Mike Wilbon
Panthers even it up. Tony at 1:1. And I'm gonna go with the Jets. But maybe they're emotionally spent and they're not even ready to play again yet. But I'm gonna take Winnipeg anyway for game one of that series.
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Tony Kornheiser
Okay? We're out of time. We'll try and do better the next time. And I'm Tony Kornheiser.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, Knucklehead. And you know what's coming next. I'm going to TD Bank Garden. Tony. The other target.
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