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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbon. Tony, did you know that today is National Apple Stream Strudel Day?
Tony Kornheiser
I'm Tony Kornheiser. Apple Strudel. That was my pole dancing name.
Mike Wilbon
That's good. We got video. Is there video coming up to accompany that story?
Tony Kornheiser
I sincerely hope not. In terms of the real apple strudel, I'm not the world's biggest apple strudel fan. I like apple pie, but I'm not a big apple strudel guy.
Buster Olney
Are you?
Mike Wilbon
Yeah.
Tony Kornheiser
No, no, no. It has fruit. I've tried.
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Mike Wilbon
I've tried. People do it, but you know, it's lost.
Tony Kornheiser
You don't like fruit or vegetables. Am I correct on that?
Mike Wilbon
Pretty much.
Tony Kornheiser
You don't eat those things? Yeah, that covers it.
Mike Wilbon
Steak and potatoes, baby.
Tony Kornheiser
Midwest. Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, Shohei is back on the mound. The Panthers try to close out the cup and Buster only joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today with Oklahoma City decisively beating Indiana last night to take a 32 lead in the NBA Finals. Tyrese Halliburton, apparently slowed by a calf problem, did not make a single field goal. He took only six shots. Oklahoma City's Jalen Williams, meanwhile, scored 40 points and Che Gilgis Alexander added 31 more. So, Wilbon, what did last night tell you about each team?
Mike Wilbon
Tony, I don't think anything new. I mean, we already. We should have known if people didn't already. Indiana's tough, physically tough and tough minded. And they're down 18. And I know at one point I go, let me switch over to Shohei, which we'll get to in a second. Let me switch over to see Shohei's pitches live. And I go over for a few minutes, I come back and it's down to six, the Oklahoma City lead. And Indiana won't go away. The Pacers won't go away even though their best player is hobbled. And I'm not going to make light of it. I'm not going to act like, oh, you got to be out there anyway. He said he wanted to be out there if he could walk, but everybody doesn't do. And I'm going to go back a little bit. History lesson, boys and girls, to the great Isaiah Thomas, when he played on essentially a broken ankle in a game at one of the great games in NBA Finals history. And one of the reasons, one of the great games in NBA Finals history, because nobody's ever done anything like that again. Even the great Willis Reed, one of your heroes and somebody you got to know.
Tony Kornheiser
Yes.
Mike Wilbon
He wasn't out there the whole game. I mean, he changed the game in the team in a championship because he hit two buckets. But he was not there the whole game. And so Halliburton. Without Halliburton out there, Tony, I don't see the Pacers really being able to do much. It was. They were valiant and all of that. OKC is better, particularly when you get J Dub playing like that in support of the mvp. They're better.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. So it was a close game with eight minutes to go. It was a two point game at that point. And then Oklahoma City outscored Indiana from that point on, 25 to 16. And Mike, this is the exact same scenario as in game four, where late in the game, Oklahoma City takes over. What I learned about Oklahoma City, much like you, is something I already knew. They are probably the better team in this series and Indiana was probably very lucky to win game one in the way that they won Game one. What I learned about Indiana was also something that I already knew, that they're not going anywhere without Halliburton. You know, he scored six points and he was noticeably slower, you know, out on the court. Which raises this question, Mike, which is, it's wonderful that he wants to play, but is it helping the team if in fact he's not close to 100%? They've got guys with NBA contracts on the bench to put into this thing. I don't know what they owe Halliburton. I don't know what he owes them. And I'll say this. Do I think that it's possible for Indiana to win the next game in Indiana? Not if Halliburton is like this, no. But let's say they win. I don't see them being able to beat Oklahoma City and Oklahoma City again because Oklahoma City's defense, look what they did. They forced 22 turnovers which gave them 32 points and they defended the three point line and held them to 11 for 30. They're a better team, Mike.
Mike Wilbon
Tone. They are, Tony. Also, it sounds like this would normally be a couple of Week injury, at least. And TJ McConnell, who's one hell of a backup. You put him out there at home. Can they get a game off of OKC at home with everybody you mentioned Nem, Hart N. Smith and all those guys pitching in. Maybe. But if you're okc, you smell the kill.
Tony Kornheiser
You.
Mike Wilbon
You do. This is what championship teams do.
Tony Kornheiser
I agree.
Mike Wilbon
They take advantage of situations when they're healthy and ready to go. So that's kind of a bummer for me because I, I, I like watching Halliburton at his best. We couldn't see that. Let's move to Shay, who we mentioned already. I did. Returning to the mound for the first time in nearly two years, last night, the Dodgers ace pitched one inning against the Padres, gave up one run on two hits. He reached 100 on the gun, Tony, for at least one pitch. I think it was one pitch. And at the plate, he went 2 for 4 with two runs batted in. Dodgers 1, 6 3. How would you grade Ohtani's night?
Tony Kornheiser
Can I give him more than an A plus? Because if I could, I would do that. I understand he gave up two hits. One was a bloop and one run. He had not pitched in almost two years. I don't hold it against him that, you know, that he was rusty, that he gave up a couple of hits. I mean, I just thought, he's out there. As you said, he hit.100 at least once. The ball was moving around. I, I just felt that it was a great moment for him to get out in live competition like that, not throwing bullpen work. And then he had two hits and two RBI and the Dodgers won the game. So I don't know how you could possibly give him less than, less than an A. I mean, to me, Mike, and I've said this before, if he can recapture the pitching that he did when he was with the Angels, the stuff before the surgery, he's going to be the greatest player in the history of baseball. Because, Mike, right now he leads the National League in home runs with 25. He leads the National League in OPS. He's second only in the majors to Aaron Judge. He's batting.300. You know, he'll be the unanimous MVP if he can pitch well.
Mike Wilbon
If we're grading on last night, I'm sorry, Professor Wilbon is a tougher grader than you. I'm not giving him an A because he's got so much room to grow. He's got room to grow to be Ohtani. And then when you, when you mentioned what he will be. Yeah, he. And he may be that before the end of the season. I hope he's not out there too soon. Pitching. I watched all the pitches live and I didn't feel that way because you know what? He's going to be. Tony. The effort is a A plus to even get out there and say, okay, it's time to do this. That professionalism. I give an A plus, not the result now. And I tell you what else was impressive to me. He didn't get out there against some C plus squad. He got out there against the top of the Padres order with a rise and Machado Tatis actually, I think let off. He's like, whoa, whoa. You're going to get out there against three dudes? These are the dudes you want to get out there with. Some guys you might have to see all summer long and in October. So that was exciting. I found that exciting sighting that had me going from base from baseball to basketball last night. But it.
Tony Kornheiser
Right.
Mike Wilbon
The ball wasn't. We threw. We was wild a couple times. He didn't have command. He's not supposed to. He's not supposed to have command yet. He'll get there and then we can give an A.
Tony Kornheiser
He had not thrown live to another team in 633 days. Right. And they beat a team they hate. So everything worked out very well. It seemed to me fun to watch.
Mike Wilbon
Everything worked and fun to watch.
Tony Kornheiser
So much joy when he's out there. So much joy on his face. Let's move to hockey. And tonight's game six in Florida between the Panthers and the Oilers. This is an elimination game for Edmonton, Wilbond. So the cup is in the building. A year ago, the Oilers won game six to four. It's game seven. And Mike, you've been on Edmonton all year. Do you like them to do it again?
Mike Wilbon
I don't know what I like. Look, I said yesterday I've been confounded by the NBA Finals. I'm twice as confused about the Stanley Cup Final. I don't know what's going to happen. I mean, game three was so absurd. Game four was so absurd. And then the recovery. If you think that Florida is going to be devastated. No, apparently nothing disheartens the Florida Panthers. And that's the ultimate sign of a champion. Nothing, nothing flusters them, nothing bothers them. They give up this game at home with three goals and they give it up in overtime. And it's. You think, oh, my God, most teams are going to a tailspin. The Panthers just go, when is the bus to the plane. That's all they. I don't know. I don't know what's going to happen. I will say that maybe the loss of Zach Hyman has hurt the Edmonton Oilers more than we've all talked about. Maybe. Maybe that has. Has really diminished that team from the best of Edmonton, which we expected or hoped to see.
Tony Kornheiser
I don't think home ice really means a lot. These are two veteran, experienced teams. They can win anywhere. Each team has one on the other's home ice. I would love to see Edmonton win to see a game seven. Because, Mike, I think that. I think game sevens in hockey are more magical than any other sport because theoretically, at least you can play forever because there's no overtime rules. As far as that goes, When I look at this series, I see that Edmonton has won twice, both times in overtime, both times with a Leon draisaitl goal. That's a pretty narrow needle to thread if that's the way you're gonna go about things. The other team has won once in overtime, but then won 6 to 1 and won 5 to 2. So there's like there's more of the universe out there that they seem to be pursuing, you know, again. I'd love to see it. I don't know. I'll tell you this, Mike. Edmonton has been terrible in the first period in the series. They've been outscored 11 to four in the first period, seven to nothing last three days. They gotta clean that up. They gotta clean that up. Let's take a break. Coming up, where does the Rafael Devers trade leave the Red Sox? We're gonna ask Buster Olney.
Mike Wilbon
We'll also ask him what's going on with the suddenly struggling Yanks who haven't scored in 20 innings. Back to back shutouts.
Tony Kornheiser
By the way, with that lineup, are you confident in Skinner in goal for Edmonton?
Mike Wilbon
No.
Tony Kornheiser
Does that give you a goal?
Mike Wilbon
I don't even know which one.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's dig back into baseball with our great friend ESPN Sunday night baseball reporter and senior writer who plants potatoes by the way. I know this Mr. Buster Olney. Let's start with this. This is big news. Rafael Devers has joined the Giants. What does this mean for the Giants? And just as importantly, what does this mean for the Red Sox?
Buster Olney
Yeah, Tony, after the Giants made that trade the other day, I was in Bob Melbourne's office, the Giants manager and he said this is a perfect addition for us, a left handed power hitter for an organization that has really struggled to get position players to go there. Aaron Judge turned them down. Before that, Giancarlo Stanton turned them down. Carlos Correa flunked his physical with the Giants. So they get Rafael Des, who absolutely increases the chances for them to make the playoffs to augment their offense for the Red Sox. It's been absolutely fascinating to see the dichotomy between what's being said in the industry about this trade and what's being said by Red Sox fans in the industry. You hear a lot of man, the Red Sox did really well. They got out from underneath a contract, 250 + million for a guy who didn't want to be there. They get four players as well. Good trade for the Red Sox. And Red Sox fans on the other hand, they hate this trade which I think speaks so much to the mistrust of Red Sox leadership, Red Sox ownership by their fan base because the original sin, Mookie Betts was traded away. Xander Bogarts wasn't retained and now Rafael Devers, one of their stars, out the door man.
Mike Wilbon
Well this of course Buster, as you know, kicks off a pretty long vigil between now and the trade deadline of July 31st. But tell us who else needs to has to make a deal now to sort of keep pace or inch out front.
Buster Olney
So everybody in baseball I think is going to be watching the Arizona Diamondbacks as we get closer to the trade deadline. They have a really difficult decision as we speak. According to Fangraphs, they got a 33% chance to make the playoffs, but recently they suffered these devastating injuries. Corbin Burns, Justin Martinez, two really important guys on their staff. Two years ago they made the World Series after winning 84 games the regular season. So they could push ahead if they decide to become sellers. They will be the buffet table that all the other teams will circle around because they've got Josh Naylor and they've got a Huenio Suarez who would be a great fit for the Yankees. Merrill Kelly, Zach Gallen, starting pitchers that maybe would interest the Cubs. The question is whether or not the Diamondbacks want to take advantage of that trade value or try to make the playoffs.
Mike Wilbon
Let's go. Let's stay out west for a while. I like this. Shohei came back last night, of course, sooner than I guess most of us thought or were led to believe at one time. Was this accelerated, Buster? And if so, why? Why did the Dodgers do this? Or was this at Shohei's request?
Buster Olney
Yeah, Michael, no question about it. This was accelerated because of all the Dodger pitching injuries. Remember, because Shohei is designated as a two way player, he doesn't count against the Dodgers quota of 13 pitch. So any innings they get out of him, whether it's one inning, two innings, the Dodgers absolutely will take it. Incredibly, they lead the major leagues in bullpen innings, which speaks to how wrecked their pitching staff has been with injuries. Now as he moves forward, I think he's going to get better and he'll gradually throw two innings, three innings, four innings. He was rusty in his first outing. Fastball velocity was up to 100 miles per hour. I think the big Ohtani pitching breakout won't happen until next year because he's serving as a full time D. While.
Tony Kornheiser
He'S doing this, I'm just going to interrupt and go off book a little bit. So you don't see him necessarily by say September or even in the playoffs being a starter who would take full starter innings. You don't see that, right?
Buster Olney
I don't see him being a guy who's going to throw seventh, eighth inning and pitching every five days. As you know, when he was with the Angels, he would pitch once every six days. And from here forward, it's going to be a slow ramp up in his innings, in his pitches. You know, Ohtani is the one who's dictating his schedule, by the way. He and his surgeon Neil Elatrach are in consultation. He tells the Dodgers what he can provide. He's been throwing these simulated games and the Dodgers feeling was, look, if you're going to throw one inning, we need it.
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, I'll get you out of here on this. The Yankees have now lost four straight games and incredibly they have not scored a run in 20 innings. Giancarlo Stanton made his season debut last night. Can the team expect him to be who he was?
Buster Olney
I think he's going to go back to being a productive player. And you guys remember last postseason he batted.333, seven homers in 14 games. So he clearly someone who can do a lot of damage. I think the big question for the Yankees for manager Aaron Boone is how does he work Stanton into this mix of players that includes three former MVPs, Stanton and Cody Bellinger and Paul Goldschmidt. Boone basically has six players competing for four spots for playing time and apparently he's got buy in from these guys to work this out. I know from talking with the Yankees people they were excited that Stanton was coming back because at his best he's someone who can do a lot of damage and protect Aaron Judge in the lineup.
Tony Kornheiser
Thank you Buster. A pleasure to have you.
Mike Wilbon
Appreciate it Buster. Thanks for hanging out with us.
Buster Olney
Thanks guys.
Tony Kornheiser
Let's take one last break, but still to come, Luis Guerme puts up defensive highlight after highlight and the head to.
Mike Wilbon
Head sprint between Noah Lyles and Tyreek Hill. Apparently he's run into a hurdle. Tom don't want to hear this.
Tony Kornheiser
I think I got the name wrong. It's G Orme. I said G your me G Orme.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 32nd birthday. Nikita Kucherov, Tampa Bay's premier right wing led the NHL in scoring this past season with 121 points on 37 goals and 84 assists. Tell the truth. You thought Connor McDavid led the league in scoring? Everybody does. McDavid was sixth. Didn't see that coming, did you? Kucherov has led the league in assists three different times, including this year's 84 and last year's 100. Kucherov has been with Tampa Bay his entire career, starting in 2013. He has two Stanley cup rings with the Lightning. In 2019, Kucherov had 41 goals and won the Hart Trophy as the league's MVP.
Mike Wilbon
Kucherov's name doesn't ever have to come up in that awful discussion of, well, who's the best player not to win a championship in his sport? Oh, no, he's got that covered. Not to mention individual hardware and maybe just the most, I don't know. Unknown great player in North American sports. He's on that list.
Tony Kornheiser
Not so. Happy anniversary, Terry Francona on this day 38 years ago, while playing for the Reds, the team he manages now, Francona tried to score from second on a base hit, but he tripped when he was 2/3 down the baseline towards home. In a panic, Francona tried to crawl his way to home. He was tagged out by the Astros catcher. Francona is in his first year managing the Reds. Cincinnati sits in a tie with St. Louis for third in the NL Central, seven games behind the Cubs. The Reds are 37 35. They're 7. 3 in their last 10. They just took two out of three games from the Detroit Tigers, who lead the AL Central. And Terry Francona is gold on this show.
Mike Wilbon
Delta Detroit Tigers lead everybody. I think they do. It's hard for me, you and I love Frank Kona, who's been a wonderful guest on this show. I get to see him around occasionally. Love Francona. But they're in the division with the Cubs and the chase is on. The Reds, the Cheeseheads and the Cardinals. We're in battle. I can't love Francona as much as I'd like to. Not. Not this summer.
Tony Kornheiser
Happy trails to a base hit for Tyler Soderstrong. In the fourth inning of last night's game, the A's left fielder flared what looked to be a bloop single to left, but Astros third baseman Luis Guillorme twisted and dove and somehow snagged the ball. Astros pitcher Ryan Gusto said, quote I was like, dude, thank you. That was sick. This followed Guillorme's 2 and 4 impressive bare handed scoop and throws from earlier in the game, both on Dribblers in his direction. But the best bare handed play he's made in his career probably came in 2017 when he was with the Mets and nonchalantly caught a flying bat by the handle.
Mike Wilbon
This guy would probably be great in so many sports. Just great hands. When you have hands like that, this is probably almost anything you could master. Amazing.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Let's go to the big finish if we could.
Mike Wilbon
Let's do it.
Tony Kornheiser
Marina Sabalenka said she wrote an apology to Coco Gauff for her remarks after losing the French Open final. Your thoughts on that?
Mike Wilbon
Sabalenka. Great player, but maybe this is a start of more professional behavior because she behaves badly often. And maybe this will be the start of something where behavior matches her talent and her performance level. Jeff. Trey Monahan will transition out of his role as PGA Tour commissioner and Brian Rolaff will take over as CEO Urinalysis.
Tony Kornheiser
I'm surprised Monahan made it this long with what's happened with Liv. The new guys from the NFL, they know how to make money. The Chargers will unveil new alternate uniforms in July. I can't believe you're okay with that.
Mike Wilbon
No, the baby blues are. What I'm okay with is the best uniform in sport. And if. If they somehow divert from that too much, I'm calling marketing people in for their playbooks. I am. They better be great. The Nats lost their ninth in a row last night. Come on, Tone. This one to the Rockies. How'd that taste?
Tony Kornheiser
Tasted bad. I was watching it. They're up four, three in the ninth. Kyle Finnegan gives up two home runs. Two home runs in the ninth instead of a save.
Mike Wilbon
Come on, man.
Tony Kornheiser
Last one. Olympic gold medal sprinter Noah Lyles has canceled his race against Tyreek Hilder. The personal. You're disappointed, right?
Mike Wilbon
It's gonna be a head to head 50 yard dash in Times Square. I wanted to see it. Come on. Yes, I'm disappointed.
Tony Kornheiser
We're out of time. We'll try and do better the next time. I'm Tony Kornheiser.
Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads. You can get all the stuff. You know where you get it. You're a Sports Center.
Buster Olney
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PTI Podcast Summary: "Shohei is Back on the Mound"
Released on June 17, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon
Guest: Buster Olney
Timestamp: [01:12]
Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon kick off the episode by discussing the recent NBA Finals where Oklahoma City (OKC) decisively defeated Indiana, securing a 3-2 series lead. The hosts delve into Tyrese Halliburton's performance, noting his absence due to a calf injury:
They analyze OKC's strengths, highlighting Jalen Williams’ impressive 40-point game and Che Gilgis Alexander’s 31 points, emphasizing OKC's superior defense and ability to force turnovers.
Timestamp: [05:05]
The conversation shifts to baseball, focusing on Shohei Ohtani's much-anticipated return to the mound after nearly two years:
Ohtani pitched one inning against the Padres, giving up one run on two hits and contributing offensively with two hits and two RBIs. The hosts commend his effort despite his rusty performance, anticipating his gradual return to full pitching form.
Timestamp: [08:00]
Transitioning to hockey, the hosts discuss the Florida Panthers facing off against the Edmonton Oilers in a crucial Game Six:
They analyze the Panthers' resilience despite setbacks and the Oilers' struggles in the first period, emphasizing the need for Edmonton to improve early-game performance to secure a victory.
Timestamp: [12:24]
Buster Olney joins the podcast to discuss the significant trade of Rafael Devers from the Red Sox to the Giants:
Olney explains the strategic benefits for both teams, highlighting how the Giants bolster their lineup with Devers, while the Red Sox manage their roster dynamics amid fan discontent. The discussion also touches on the Arizona Diamondbacks' potential moves as the trade deadline approaches, emphasizing their key players and injury concerns.
Timestamp: [15:27]
Olney elaborates on Shohei Ohtani's expedited return to pitching due to the Dodgers' bullpen injuries:
They discuss Ohtani’s gradual increase in pitching innings and the Dodgers' strategic use of his unique role to manage their overwhelmed pitching staff.
Timestamp: [17:00]
The hosts address the Yankees' ongoing struggles, including four consecutive losses and failing to score in 20 innings:
They debate manager Boone’s strategies for integrating Stanton alongside other star players to rejuvenate the Yankees' offensive prowess.
Timestamp: [19:34]
Tony shifts focus to the NHL, celebrating Nikita Kucherov's 32nd birthday and his impressive season:
They praise Kucherov’s consistency and his contributions to the Tampa Bay Lightning’s success, noting his two Stanley Cup rings and MVP accolades.
Timestamp: [20:33]
The hosts commemorate Terry Francona’s anniversary and discuss his current management of the Reds:
Additionally, they highlight impressive defensive plays by Astros' Luis Guillorme:
Timestamp: [22:28]
The episode concludes with brief mentions of upcoming topics, including Marina Sabalenka’s apology to Coco Gauff and the transition of Trey Mancik from PGA Tour commissioner to Brian Rolaff.
Notable Quotes:
In this engaging episode of PTI, Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon cover a broad spectrum of sports topics, from the high-stakes NBA Finals and Shohei Ohtani’s pivotal return to the mound, to major MLB trades and standout performances in the NHL. With insightful commentary and expert analysis from guest Buster Olney, listeners gain a comprehensive understanding of the current sports landscape. Notable moments include the discussion on Ohtani's dual role, the strategic implications of the Rafael Devers trade, and the celebration of elite athletes like Nikita Kucherov. This episode is a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking in-depth coverage and expert opinions on the latest developments across major sports leagues.