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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbot. It's National Big Word Day. Tony, give me a big word.
Tony Kornheiser
Tony Kornheiser. Gilgis Alexander Tungavailoa. Antetokounmpo. Bianca Lana.
Mike Wilbon
Yeah, Antetokounmpo is always a twister. In the old days, you and I would have said Krzyzewski and dared people to spell it. K, R, Z, Y, G, E, W, S, K I. How's that?
Tony Kornheiser
That's very good.
Mike Wilbon
Good job.
Tony Kornheiser
You can advance to fourth grade from third grade. Very good. Welcome to PTI, boys and girls. In today's episode, both LA teams lose. Cooper Flagg goes pro and Ronald Acuna Jr. Has beef with his manager. But we begin today with the NBA playoffs and two games from yesterday that stood out. The Golden State warriors went on the road and beat two seed Houston. And Oklahoma City demolished Memphis by 51 points, the largest Game 1 margin in NBA history. Wilbon, which was the more significant result?
Mike Wilbon
Oh, Tony, there's no question to me that the more significant result was Golden State winning in Houston, winning in the Toyota center last night. And you and I, of course talked about this on your podcast today and you were even more immediately impressed than I was. And I slid over further to your way of seeing the result of that game and in live time, Tony. I mean, Steph Curry was Steph Curry, of course, but he gets an A plus for last night and not just his usual jaw dropping three pointers and he hit like three of them that look like they were in a video game. Well, you're like, what did he. I got to see that again. What did he do? And Jimmy Butler was great both ways, offensively, defensively, and he gets an A plus. And Draymond Green made some defensive plays where he just sort of at some point was freelancing as Draymond Green like a free safety and deciding, here's how I'm going to take this play away from bigger, stronger, faster, more agile, facile Gumby like athletes that Houston has, they all get A's or A pluses. I don't know whether it's sustainable, but the question is about one game. Look, Oklahoma City, what they did, it was nuclear. It was. But I don't even know what it means. I thought. Yeah, I mean, I think this was significant. What the.
Tony Kornheiser
What.
Mike Wilbon
What the dubs did last night.
Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, we're going to agree on this. I'll just do a little deeper dive on. On the Memphis game. I don't tend to talk a lot about game ones as if they're important because if it's reversed in game two, then you look like an idiot. But it was amazing last night that Memphis was so stinkingly bad. It's just incredible when you think about this. Now there. Maybe there's an excuse I think they had to play within 36 hours of getting into the playoffs by beating Dallas. I'm sure that was a very emotionally charged circumstance. I had no, no sense whatsoever that they were going to beat Dallas. I thought Dallas was going to win that game. But again, they were so stinkingly bad. Mike. At one point they were down 56 points. 56 points. Oklahoma City had swept them in the regular season 4, 0, but by an average of 18, not the 51 that was at the end of this particular game. But if you want me to get carried away, much like you, I'll get carried away with Golden State going on the road and beating a two seed. Golden State's. The average age of their players is around 50. They have no business winning this particular game and they might have snuck the series away in that one game. And you know what? I'm going to be happy if that's the case. Because the truth is everyone wants to see Golden State and nobody yet cares about Houston. Not yet.
Mike Wilbon
But Houston's going to have something to say. I think that's going to be a real series. But that first game, I would bet.
Tony Kornheiser
On them in game two, ahead of Memphis in game two. That Memphis game, that wasn't a one eight, that was a 132. Come on. That was awful.
Mike Wilbon
Wow. Josh says they won't be that bad again. Let's see. That's quite a promise. Let's move to Saturday's results. The Clippers went into OT with the Nuggets and lost by two in Denver. And in Minnesota, the Lakers got blowed out. No, no, no. In Los Angeles, the Lakers got blowed out by the Timberwolves despite Lucas 37 tone. Which of the LA teams had the more notable loss? Clippers Lakers.
Tony Kornheiser
All right, I'm going to make a value judgment here at the beginning of this answer. I know, Mike, that you really like the Clippers. There is no coach in the NBA that you praise more than Tyron Lou, except maybe Jason Kidd. But the Clippers are the second team in la. People pay attention to the Clippers when the Lakers are not playing. The Clippers, for example, made a great hire five or six years ago when they got Kawhi Leonard. It's great hire. They made a great trade a couple of years ago when they got James Harden. But that trade wasn't one half as great or one quarter as great as the Lakers getting Luka Doncic. Another reason why Nico Harrison should be fired. And when you put. When you put Harden and Kawhi out there together, that's great. But it's not half as great or a quarter as great as Luca and LeBron out there. So what I'm saying, Mike, is the more notable, the more important. Everything that goes on in la, it slides towards the Lakers. Plus, the Lakers lost at home and the Clippers, you know, that was a road game. I just. Mike, I don't think there's anything the Clippers do that is as. As important as what the Lakers do in la.
Mike Wilbon
Well, certainly not early tone, to your point, in the playoffs. Now they got to get down the road. And they could get down the road because that game was even. And I think the Clippers will even that series at one tonight against Denver. Game two in Denver. So, Tony, I'm going to agree with you. And part of it was the Lakers are going to struggle against Minnesota because the Timberwolves are a veteran playoff team.
Tony Kornheiser
They're good.
Mike Wilbon
They have been through the war.
Tony Kornheiser
They were in the conference finals.
Mike Wilbon
Yes, they've won big series. They beat Denver. They eliminated the champs at the time. They've lost big series. They've been disappointed. They've been through this all as a team and they got veteran guys and they got long, athletic players who can at least bother or get in the way of Luka and LeBron. And listen, I asked you this morning on your podcast so we can wrap up this segment. I'm going to ask you again, you think this is a must win tomorrow night for the lakers in game two against the T wolves?
Tony Kornheiser
100%. 100%. I mean, and I want to see them win for the possibility that they could get the warriors in the next round. Oh, it's absolutely a must game. I think it's absolutely a must game. Let's move On Cooper, Flagg today announced that he will enter the upcoming NBA draft where he is widely expected to be the number one pick. Flag is often spoken of as a franchise changing player. Wilbon, after you watch Flag at Duke this season, are you convinced Flag is that caliber of player?
Mike Wilbon
Franchise changing? No. Franchise supplementing, boosting. Yeah. And there's certain franchises, Tony. And you know, I got, I got so tired of arguing this for, you know, weeks with my son who's a Cooper. Flag followed him since he was. They were both 9 years old and it was like, dad, he could stay nil money. I'm like, no, he's not staying. You don't reclass up to play against older people so you can stay in college longer when you've been the best player by far in college. So Tony, I think he can help if the San Antonio spurs, oh, my God. Win the lottery and he gets paired with Win Banyama. Watch out right away, like next year it'll be like, you know, when Ralph and Akeem got together immediately. Oh, watch out if he goes to Philly, I know you don't like this, but he winds up with Embiid and he winds up with Paul George. He winds up. They could do something if they could all be out there. Can he change the Washington Wizards overnight? No, but he can't. And so that's why franchise changing is a little much for me. But there's some franchises and I just mentioned two of them. There are a couple of more. He could join Tony and the Phoenix Suns if you put him out there with Booker and you then keep Durant. What do you have? So he could really help boost. He could. He's that good. It's a beast.
Tony Kornheiser
I'm going to leave that part of the answer to you. There's two things I want to say. One is that I am disappointed that he's leaving college. I had hoped that he would stay in college one more year. I am quite confident that he could have gotten enough nil money to balance the first year of his NBA contract, which is like $14 million. I believe that at Duke they could have raised $14 million in an hour and a half. I like college basketball. I think one and done is very bad. I've always thought this very bad for college basketball. And I would have loved to see Duke run that one back with those three freshmen and everybody else on team. I would have loved to see now.
Mike Wilbon
They'Re going to have those freshmen.
Tony Kornheiser
By the way, I know none of them. I understand. I understand and I understand the reasoning behind it. I just happen not to like it. The second thing that I want to talk about with Cooper Flag is he has more leverage right now before he plays in the NBA than he will ever have when he plays in the NBA. So if there's a team he wants to play for, he's going to be able to do that. Give me 30 more seconds. We both remember John Elway and Eli Manning saying, no, no, no, I'm not going there. I want to go somewhere else. We both remember just two months ago Jimmy Butler said, oh, no, no, no, I want to go here. Get me over here. Kevin Durant does this every two years. Cooper Flagg could do this. Cooper Flag could go to Adam Silver and say, here's where I want to play. Work it out. And if you can't work it out, I'm going back to college. I don't know what he wants. He's a main kid. Maybe he wants to play for the Celtics, maybe he wants to play for the Lake, I don't know. But he doesn't have to be told where to go. He can make his own decision if it is important to him. And it may not be. Let's take a break.
Mike Wilbon
May not be.
Tony Kornheiser
Coming up, was Ronald Acuna Jr. Wright that his manager has a double standard.
Mike Wilbon
And this walk off bad flip was special. But there was an even better moment in baseball over the weekend. Tony, don't you want him with the Wizards? You got a shot. You got a real shot at Cooper Flag in a wizard uniform.
Tony Kornheiser
No, because it's a bad organization. It's been bad for a long time. I want this kid to go where he wants to go. Don't you? Don't you want him to go where he wants to go?
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Tony Kornheiser
Time to dredge the email box. Let me see what's first here. Go to the glasses.
Mike Wilbon
Mail time.
Tony Kornheiser
Was Ronald Acuna Jr right to criticize his manager Brian Snitger?
Mike Wilbon
Yes. He wasn't just right to make the criticism. It was insightful, it was bold and I admire him for making it. Because Ronald Acuna Jr. Has to sit by knowing that a few years ago, I think like six years ago the same guy benched him for not running out something. Doesn't matter what, he didn't run out. I think he got tagged out on the base pass because he. Because he didn't get around. But then he watches this organization later as Snitzker does nothing and was asking the press presser after the game, what did you say to this guy who wasn't hustling? And he said nothing. I said nothing. And a Kunya junior Comes back. If it was me, I'd have gotten thrown out. Yeah, yeah. And there's a disturbing pattern to Snitzker and who he admonishes and who he doesn't. Disturbing to me and maybe only me. But yeah, I'm glad Acuna Jr called his butt out.
Tony Kornheiser
So I believe Acuna Jr was right in this sense that as you say six years ago he didn't run something out and the same manager was critical of him and removed him from the game. And in this case he did absolutely nothing. Now let me give the manager the benefit of doubt in this regard. Maybe he learned something from Acuna. Maybe he became more tolerant. Maybe it was a teaching moment. Far more important than that is the Notion that after six years, Acuna did not forget it all and called out the manager. Okay, Acuna is still the best player that Brian Snitka has. This is not a good sign for the present or the immediate future if your best player is still angry at you. Not a good sign.
Mike Wilbon
Remember after Snicker saw the play on replay later or the next day, Acuna Jr deletes it. But no, no, no, the episode cannot be taken back. This is good. And you are totally reasonable to give that manager some benefit of the doubt. I have switched places with you in my old age, and now I'm vengeful. I want revenge on everybody. I'm cynical about everybody. And I want Snitzer's Snitzkers head on a platter. I do.
Tony Kornheiser
Okay, let's go to the next one. Better baseball moment. Andy Lugo's walk off bat flip or Austin Foley's mom snagging his grand slam ball.
Mike Wilbon
This isn't close. There's no choice. This is a walkover. This is like, you know, Oklahoma City versus Memphis yesterday. A backflip. You can see the back go up in the camera view. It's in the shot right there. Okay, but it's a backflip. There's a thousand backflips every day. One player after another. Somewhere in the universe tries to outdo the previous dope with flipping a bat. But when your mom is in position, and there might be, I don't know, maybe there were what, two, three thousand, five thousand people. I don't know how many people in attendance. But your mom's got a camera in one hand streaming it, perhaps, and one hand snags the ball with another. That's an all time moment. All time.
Tony Kornheiser
Okay? There are not a thousand bat flips a day that go anywhere near this height in the air. This is the most amazing bat flip that I have ever seen because it left the camera range at some point. This was like a space launch. This was like Cape Canaveral. And you know, I have no idea if that bat ever came down, but yes, you are 100% right. It's the mom. The mom is out there. She gets her hands on the ball. She can then say to people, this is my son. Here's the ball. Eat it. She can say that if she wants. The only thing that is disturbing to me is, why is your mom out in the deep left field bleachers? Why isn't your mom in a better seat? What is she doing all the way out there?
Mike Wilbon
Maybe she's female again, you know, maybe she stuck it. I remember Anthony Kornheiser, who wasn't supposed to be watching Lizzy in the ballpark at all. And oh wait, there he is.
Tony Kornheiser
That was in high school.
Mike Wilbon
Foul pole, huh?
Tony Kornheiser
That's true, but that was in high school. They weren't charging admission. Let's take one last break. Still to come, the brewers do something that hasn't been done since 1919 and.
Mike Wilbon
The Pistons try to even things up with the Knicks. Tony doesn't matter if the bat flip was high. We're gonna start like judging bat flips. Some are harder, some are faster, some are higher, some have a greater spin rate.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time people. Happy 27th birthday. Jarrett Allen, Cleveland Cavaliers center, averaged 13.5 points, 9.7 rebounds this season. He shot 70.6% from the field. Teamed with Evan Mobley, Allen gives the Cavaliers great rim protection and low post scoring. Allen was originally drafted in 2017 out of Texas by the Brooklyn Nets with a 22nd pick and was traded to Cleveland as part of a complicated four team trade for James Harden in 2012. 21 Allen has made one all star game. Cleveland was a surprise of the Eastern Conference, finishing first and earning first year coach Kenny Atkinson Coach of the Year honors from his fellow head coaches. The Cavs drew Miami in the first round of the playoffs after Miami won two straight road play in games.
Mike Wilbon
Tone he and Mobley get so little attention because they just go do their jobs. There's no histrionics, there's no drama. There doesn't seem to be any, you know, obsession with social media. They just go out there and do their thing, and the Cleveland Cavaliers are pretty well off because of it.
Tony Kornheiser
Happy Anniversary, Sacramento Kings. Around this day 23 years ago, the Kings defeated Utah in game one of their first round playoff series, Sacramento's first win in the open of a playoff series since 1981, when the Kansas City Kings defeated Portland in Game 1. The 2002 Kings would go all the way to the conference finals where many people, including Michael Ray Wilbon, believed they were deliberately hosed by referees in Game six and eventually lost the series to the Lakers. In the late 90s and early 2000s, Sacramento made eight straight playoff appearances, but then they hit a 16 year drought. They ended that drought in 2023, but since then they have lost two two straight play in games and missed the main draw.
Mike Wilbon
Tone you and I about the only people who remember players from that 81 team? How about including Otis Birdsong, Ernie Grunfell, Scott Wedman, Sam Lacey and Phil Ford, who had been a great rookie a couple of years earlier. He was hurt and not in that series, but they were sort of formidable and nobody thinks about them. Nobody remembers that played in Kansas City.
Tony Kornheiser
Happy trails. Emmanuel Valdez the Pirates first baseman hit a shot to center on Saturday, stretching to a triple. But he hurt his left shoulder during his head first slide and when he tried to call time with his right hand, he lifted it off the base. He was immediately tagged out by Artyom's third baseman, Jose Ramirez. One other highlight from the weekend is worth sharing. Ellie De La Cruz snagged a line drive on the other side of second base to preserve the Reds one to nothing lead over the Orioles. De La Cruz led off the next frame with a home run. The Reds went on to win by the ridiculous score of 24 to 2.
Mike Wilbon
The umpire who called that kid out, that baserunner out, I'd have suspended him. Automatic suspension for just being mean and a dope. The guy, he's in there, they call timeout all the time without anybody doing more than nodding to them. And he called them out. Suspension, loss of pay, Take a break.
Tony Kornheiser
For a while and the melancholy trails to Jay Siegel. The golfer died of pancreatic cancer at the age of 81. Siegel was one of the most accomplished amateur golfers of all time, winning two U.S. amateurs, three U.S. mid amateurs, posting low amateur at the Masters three times, playing in nine Walker cup matches, twice as a captain. He later won eight times on the Champions Tour. Siegel had planned to turn pro out of college, but his left hand went through a window requiring 70 stitches, and instead he started a successful insurance business. He called the hand injury the best thing to ever happen to him.
Mike Wilbon
What an amazing career. Amazing even a lot of people didn't know.
Tony Kornheiser
Quick to the big finish. The Atlanta Hawks fire GM Landry Fields. Your thoughts?
Mike Wilbon
Man, they did some nice draft work, but they lost twice in the play, and I don't know about that one. Justin Thomas won for the first time in nearly three years. Is that a big deal to you?
Tony Kornheiser
Two weeks in a row. Rory McIlroy. JT got off the Schneider. I think it is. The brewers stole six bases in one inning yesterday against the A's. You impressed?
Mike Wilbon
Well, just seemed very, you know, Pre World War II like and in fact hadn't been done since the New York Giants in 1919. 4 Stanley cup playoff games tonight. Pick a winner.
Tony Kornheiser
Pick a winner. The Caps, Going with the Caps. Last one. Pistons, Knicks. Game two tonight. Who you got?
Mike Wilbon
Hate to tell you this, Tony, but the Knickerbockers, who played really well in game one, I think they're going down to Detroit basketball tonight. I think that series goes one.
Tony Kornheiser
Really? How about 21? Nothing in the fourth quarter last time. Try to do better the next time. I'm Tony Cornhotge.
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I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow night, knuckleheads. You can get the PTI podcast on the ESPN app or Apple podcasts. And now your sports team.
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PTI Podcast Summary: Stand Out Performances From Start Of Playoffs
Release Date: April 21, 2025
Hosts: Tony Kornheiser & Mike Wilbon
In this episode of PTI, Tony Kornheiser and Mike Wilbon delve into the exhilarating start of the playoffs, highlighting standout performances across various sports. They navigate through crucial NBA playoff games, analyze emerging talents, and discuss notable moments in baseball, all while providing their insightful takes and engaging banter.
Golden State Warriors vs. Houston Rockets
The episode opens with a discussion on two pivotal NBA playoff games. The Golden State Warriors' road victory against the second-seeded Houston Rockets is deemed particularly significant.
Mike Wilbon praises Steph Curry:
"Steph Curry was Steph Curry, of course, but he gets an A plus for last night and not just his usual jaw-dropping three-pointers..."
(Timestamp: [01:35])
Tony Kornheiser reflects on Golden State's unexpected performance:
"Golden State's average age of their players is around 50. They have no business winning this particular game..."
(Timestamp: [02:58])
Both hosts acknowledge the impressive performances by Curry, Jimmy Butler, and Draymond Green, questioning the sustainability of such high-level play but recognizing its immediate impact.
Oklahoma City Thunder vs. Memphis Grizzlies
Oklahoma City's overwhelming 51-point victory over Memphis marks the largest Game 1 margin in NBA history.
Mike Wilbon describes the game as "nuclear":
"Oklahoma City, what they did, it was nuclear..."
(Timestamp: [02:56])
Tony Kornheiser emphasizes the Grizzlies' poor performance:
"That Memphis game, that wasn't an 18, that was a 132. Come on. That was awful."
(Timestamp: [04:35])
They discuss potential factors contributing to Memphis's performance, including the emotional toll of their recent playoff entry.
Clippers vs. Denver Nuggets & Lakers vs. Minnesota Timberwolves
The conversation shifts to the Los Angeles Clippers and Lakers, both of whom faced defeats in their respective playoff matchups.
Tony Kornheiser prioritizes the Lakers' loss as more impactful:
"I don't think there's anything the Clippers do that is as important as what the Lakers do in LA..."
(Timestamp: [05:14])
Mike Wilbon concurs, noting the Clippers' potential to even the series:
"I think the Clippers will even that series at one tonight against Denver."
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The hosts discuss the implications of these losses, emphasizing the Lakers' need to secure a win in Game 2 to stay competitive.
Discussion on Emerging Talent
Cooper Flagg's decision to declare for the NBA draft garners significant attention, with both hosts analyzing his potential impact.
Mike Wilbon moderates expectations:
"Franchise supplementing, boosting... he could help San Antonio Spurs, join the Phoenix Suns..."
(Timestamp: [08:00])
Tony Kornheiser expresses mixed feelings:
"I am disappointed that he's leaving college... Cooper Flagg could go to Adam Silver and say, here's where I want to play."
(Timestamp: [10:13])
While recognizing Flagg's talent, Tony remains skeptical about labeling him as "franchise-changing," suggesting he is more of a valuable addition to certain teams rather than a transformative player.
Player-Manager Dynamics in Baseball
The hosts examine Ronald Acuña Jr.'s critique of his manager, Brian Snitker, highlighting its significance.
Mike Wilbon supports Acuña Jr.'s stance:
"Ronald Acuña Jr. was right to make the criticism... And there's a disturbing pattern to Snitzker..."
(Timestamp: [13:46])
Tony Kornheiser discusses the long-term implications:
"Acuna is still the best player that Brian Snitka has. This is not a good sign for the present or the immediate future..."
(Timestamp: [15:34])
Both hosts agree that Acuña Jr.'s boldness in addressing managerial issues reflects underlying tensions and could signal potential challenges ahead for the organization.
Andy Lugo's Walk-Off vs. Austin Foley's Grand Slam Ball Retrieval
Tony and Mike debate the week's memorable baseball moments, ultimately favoring Austin Foley's unique experience.
Mike Wilbon champions Foley's moment:
"Your mom's got a camera in one hand streaming it... that's an all-time moment."
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Tony Kornheiser concurs, highlighting the rarity:
"This was the most amazing bat flip that I have ever seen because it left the camera range at some point..."
(Timestamp: [17:01])
They humorously critique the commonality of bat flips versus the extraordinary event of a player's mother retrieving a grand slam ball.
Jarrett Allen's Birthday & Cavaliers' Performance
Sacramento Kings' Anniversary
Emmanuel Valdez's Injury & Ellie De La Cruz's Heroics
Atlanta Hawks Fire GM Landry Fields
As the episode nears its conclusion, Tony and Mike engage in friendly competition, predicting outcomes for ongoing Stanley Cup playoff games.
Tony Kornheiser opts for the Caps as the Stanley Cup winners.
(Timestamp: [23:59])
Mike Wilbon forecasts the Knicks will fall to the Pistons in their series.
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Wrapping up the episode, Tony and Mike recap the day's discussions, reinforcing their insights into the standout performances that have set the tone for the playoffs. Their dynamic interplay offers listeners a blend of expert analysis and engaging conversation, making the episode both informative and entertaining.
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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of the PTI episode, detailing key sports events, player analyses, and memorable moments, all while incorporating direct quotes to highlight the hosts' perspectives.