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Mike Wilbon
Pardon the interruption, but I'm Mike Wilbog. Baseball season got underway in Japan this morning. Tony, how did it feel to you?
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Tony Kornheiser
Tony kornheiser, Some things felt exactly the same. Like your cubs falling below.500.
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Mike Wilbon
Can I just point out the Cubs, I think finished above.500 each of the last two seasons. Good.
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Tony Kornheiser
Well, that's good.
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Mike Wilbon
And then they finished in second place division.
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Tony Kornheiser
Did they make playoffs?
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Mike Wilbon
They might have been. No, they might have been, you know, had an 81, 81 season in one of those.
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Tony Kornheiser
But no playoffs yet.
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Mike Wilbon
No playoffs.
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Tony Kornheiser
Welcome to pti, boys and girls. In today's episode, the Dodgers beat the Cubs. Deion Sanders proposes a college preseason game. And Jay Bilis joins us for five good minutes. But we begin today, Wilbon, with the NBA and you getting both games wrong last night. So much for your winning streak. You had both the warriors and the Timberwolves winning at home and padding their winning streaks. And you went down in both. The warriors lost to Denver, which sat both Nikola Jokic and Jamal Murray. And the Wolves lost in overtime to Indiana on a fabulous shot by Obie Toppin. By the way, Indiana was without its six top scorers down the stretch, George McGinnis. So, Wilbon, explain your mistakes and then tell us which team had the more disappointing loss, the warriors or Minnesota?
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Mike Wilbon
No, I had no mistakes. They had mistakes, the warriors and Timberwolves. And I watched almost all of each game because just early on it was a tussle for each. And instead of clicking off because they were the blowouts, they should have been because Denver doesn't have Joker doesn't have Jamal Murray doesn't have Brown. They don't have. They don't have these guys. And you just mentioned Indiana. No Halberton, no Turner, no Nemart. It's just like there's nobody playing. They're playing intramural teams and Minnesota and Golden State have been on heaters and they each need to win. They're separated by a game. They're trying to catch the Lakers and stay away from the Clippers and get in, not to play in. They got incentive and they couldn't do it. It was a stunning night. It was very entertaining. Minnesota had the worst of the two losses. Yeah, because Indiana's not Denver. And I get it. Indiana's still going to make the playoffs and Indiana's fighting for a top four seed and a spot to play at home initially. But I think Minnesota had the tougher loss last year.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I sat and I watched you as you were on the set and you were saying, you know, they're both going to win at home. And I remember specifically saying, and I know you heard me well, you don't think Indiana has Indiana.
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Mike Wilbon
You thought.
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Tony Kornheiser
And you said no. So it was with great glee that I woke up this morning to find out that both of those teams had lost. I agree with you that the more disappointing loss is Minnesota. I believe Minnesota needs to win games. They have a very up and down year, Minnesota. And they are not on a trajectory as upward looking as the warriors are since they got Jimmy Butler. Because even with this loss, the warriors are still 14 and two with Jimmy Butler. They are a significantly better team. Which is why I would also say that the more surprising loss was the Warriors. How can you not beat Denver when you open and Jamal Murray aren't there? Did Denver get a wake up call because the Wizards beat them?
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Mike Wilbon
The Wizards beat them twice this year. That's another topic. Wizards tanked.
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Tony Kornheiser
Later they take. This should be an investigation.
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Mike Wilbon
And by the way, no Steph Curry tonight. Steve Kerr said he's tired. What do you make of that?
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Tony Kornheiser
That he's tired? Yeah, I make of it that he's tired and he's somebody who, if he actually tells you he's tired, he is. You need to rest him because he's.
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Mike Wilbon
Your great star and he's got to be Steph Curry if Golden State's gonna be anything in April, May, June. That's right.
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Tony Kornheiser
But the NBA should investigate the Wizards. They tanked that game.
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Mike Wilbon
The Wizards have been winning games.
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Tony Kornheiser
They tanked. They played their best players. Poole and Middleton played 11 minutes each. No minutes in the second half. The guy you love, Saar, 20 minutes. It's all he played. No, no, no, Mike. Because they're going to play Utah next. And the loser of that has an inside shot at the number one thing. Look, I know I'm going over the bell. The reason I bring this up is because the NBA, like the NFL, like mlb, has gambling partners now. And this was a boat race. This was not a legitimate game.
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Mike Wilbon
It Was it? Didn't seem like it. You know you want the kid from Duke. You know you want him. Baseball season is officially underway. Shohei had two hits, scored twice in front of Tokyo fans as the Dodgers beat the Cubbies, 4 1. The champs won despite the absence of M. Mookie due to illness. Freddie Freeman, too, tweaked his ribs while taking bp. The Cubbies had two errors and walked nine. So, Tony, how should each team feel about itself after game one?
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Tony Kornheiser
So I don't want to get carried away. It's game one of 162. If how you feel about yourself is determined by the result of every game, you will go crazy by June 1st.
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Mike Wilbon
Baseball.
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Tony Kornheiser
You will. Yeah, they will go crazy. So what about the Cubs? A few things happened that were not great. They were one for seven with runners in scoring position. They made those two errors. One was a throwing error, led directly to double play. Led directly.
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Mike Wilbon
Overruns.
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Tony Kornheiser
I think they walked nine. Imanaga was a very good pitcher, but he walked four in four innings. He walked four in four innings. And I think I'm right on this. I might not be. I think it's either the last six or the last seven innings. They didn't get a hit. They didn't get hit. Dodgers should feel good. Shohei, two hits and scored two runs. Yamamoto five innings, only one earned. Their bullpen was lights out. They went four innings, gave up no runs, no hits, no walks and struck out five. But Freeman tweaked something that he had in the playoffs last year. And Mookie has a strange virus. You don't want to come back to the United States and two of your three MVPs can't play.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, they should feel like the champs. That's what they should feel like. Because they play like that. Because they got number 17 on their side. And the Cubs looked like the Cubs last year, which is not totally discouraging, but because Imanaga gave up no hits.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's right.
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Mike Wilbon
4. He don't want to walk for him. Okay. But it's early. It's March. There should be no baseball yet. Not games that count. But Imanaga was good early, just like he was last year. And the Cubs didn't hit like they did last year. So some things haven't changed. They got to solve that. The Cubs cannot go through these games getting shut out or damn near shut out after scoring the first run of the game and then getting nothing else to. But again, these games, I refuse to watch. I actually woke up on Anthony Kornheiser. Time at like 5am I could have watched. I refused to boycott it.
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Tony Kornheiser
I have a confession.
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Mike Wilbon
What?
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Tony Kornheiser
I was up at 6, 10.
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Mike Wilbon
You didn't watch.
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Tony Kornheiser
I forgot.
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Mike Wilbon
Good.
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Tony Kornheiser
I forgot. So I hope I remember tomorrow morning because Sasaki is going to start and I would like to see how that works. Let's turn to college football and our old pal Deion Sanders. Deion has Colorado spring game scheduled for April 19. But Deion doesn't want an intra squad spring game. He wants a real game against a real opponent. Deion said, quote, I would like to style it like the pros. I'd like to practice against someone for a few days. Then you have the spring game, unquote. Then Deion said of his own idea, I think it's a tremendous idea, unquote. Deion has already gotten a feeler from Syracuse for this game. Wilbon, do you like Deion, think this is a tremendous idea?
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Mike Wilbon
Well, I think it depends on the execution. It might be. I'm still. I'm kind of undecided about it. I know that a lot of schools are canceling their spring games for what seemed to me to be bogus reasons. They don't want people like scouting of the 80,000 people. They don't want anybody scouting their players and pushing them toward the transfer portal, which there is one in the spring. Just get rid of the damn transfer portal. For that matter, close the game off. Do it just invitation only. I went to a small private. We could do that and I'm gonna recommend we do.
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Tony Kornheiser
Colorado is a large public school.
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Mike Wilbon
But wait, wait, wait, wait. Deion wouldn't go that way. Deion goes a different way and it's fine for his school. I get it. I want to see the execution of it. But the notion of canceling spring. First of all, there probably shouldn't be any spring games. But to cancel them because people are going to scout your guys and push them to the portal, that is just so. It just annoys the hell out of me.
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Tony Kornheiser
So that is a Matt Rule of Nebraska thing and I'll get to that in a second. I didn't know where you were going to be on this because I know that, like me, you like sports the way it was in the 1950s.
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Mike Wilbon
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
And you don't like any change and you particularly don't like the expansion of schedules.
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Mike Wilbon
I don't.
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Tony Kornheiser
And this is an expansion of schedules. By the same token, you love Deion.
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Mike Wilbon
Yes, I did.
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Tony Kornheiser
So I didn't know where you would go. I think this is a great idea because college football is now defined by the transfer portal, and Deion's team in particular is defined by transfers. And the spring games are going away. If I'm a coach of a team, and let's say I have 12 to 15 transfers in key positions, I want to see them in a real game. I want to see them against real opposition. Matt Rule's position is, as you articulated, people will watch us and they'll poach my guys in the spring window for the transfer. So if I'm Deion, this is what I do. I find out when the spring window ends and I play the game next day.
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Mike Wilbon
That's right.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's what I do the next day.
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Mike Wilbon
This is not that hard. Everybody wants to make a big deal out of everything that happens every day of college football. That's the culture we're in now. Sorry, bosses who helped create it. And so this is what happens. Rule comes out and says something like this, and people don't look at it. But the obvious solution, you agree with.
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Tony Kornheiser
Deion that it's important to play somebody else, not just your own guys.
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Mike Wilbon
But Deion's more interested in the practices, too. That's right. Which is what NFL Deion's done this.
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Tony Kornheiser
Deion knows how to develop a team. If I'm playing college football and Deion or Belichick is interested in me, I'm interested in me.
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Mike Wilbon
What's more important about Deion? See the clip where Deion takes the shades off and says, do I look stressed? No, I look blessed. That was better than all this other college football junk.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's take a break. Coming up, which one seed is the most vulnerable? We're going to ask Jay Bilis.
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Mike Wilbon
We'll also ask him whether North Carolina would justify its inclusion in the field with a win tonight.
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Tony Kornheiser
No, I know what Matt Rule is saying, but you just find out the day it ends and you play it after that, Right?
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Mike Wilbon
Well, there might be a certain number of days, though I don't know what the day limit is.
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Tony Kornheiser
They're all pros now in college, in.
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Tony Kornheiser
It's time to dig into the men's tournament with the dashing ESPN college basketball analyst, our great friend Jay Billis. Let's start with this. The tournament is historically marked by upsets, but you have all four number one seeds, Auburn, Duke, Houston, and Florida making the Final Four. In your opinion, which of them might be the most vulnerable?
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Bombas Voiceover
Yeah, that sounds kind of wimpy when you say I picked all four number one seeds, but actually there was a rhyme or reason to it. I always want to look at the bracket, look at the path of each number one seed. And I'm asking that question you just asked, who's the most vulnerable? And I really didn't see a huge vulnerability. And the last time I picked four number one seeds in 2008, and they all made it. It's the only time ever. And the, the Final Four was in San Antonio. And then I felt the same way looking at this bracket. And oddly enough, the Final Four, coincidentally, is in, in San Antonio. But if I were going to say most vulnerable, I would probably say Auburn because they did lose three out of four. Even though the competition they played was. Was tremendous and they' obstacles in their path, that could be difficult. I. I would. If I could pick any path of a number one seed, I would probably pick Dukes. But. But Florida, to me, is the best team. They got a. They got a rough draw. I would normally pick St. John's out of a region because of how good they are, but they're in Florida's region and I think Florida's just too good.
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Mike Wilbon
Let's just note for a second that I did pick St. John's yes, you did. Over Florida.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yes, you did.
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Mike Wilbon
Final Jay, from day one, day one, you told us the SEC is historically great and you have proved to be right every step of the way. The SEC got that record 14 teams in the tournament. So now let me shift a little bit and ask you, what is success for them? I mean, I lived through Tony and I lived through. You were a we chap when the Big east got three out of four in Kenny sec. I'm presuming you think the SEC could do that. But what, what's, what is postseason success for the SEC given they got 14 in.
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Bombas Voiceover
You know, if we're going to look at it reasonably and not all fans are reasonable, I think having a Final Four team and then, and then having their, their league perform up to seed, if you have a bunch of higher seeded teams and by higher mean ones, twos, threes, fours, whatever, if they get bounced out early, there are going to be a lot of people that say, see, they weren't as good as you said, or they weren't as good as they thought they were, stuff like that. But it's hard to, it's hard to explain to people that just because it's the best league, top to bottom relative to field, doesn't mean that Duke's not the best team or Houston's not the best team or some other St. John's can't win it. That's not what that means. But the overall strength of the league is second to none in my time in the game. And, but they'll hear it if they don't, if they don't perform. And most of their teams at least win early round games and get to the second weekend.
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Mike Wilbon
All right, so the moment I did a bracket, I said, I'm going to go with upsets. I want to be different. I want to win. I want to win. On the Tony Kornheiser podcast.
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, we're going to get you a free tube of toothpaste.
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, that'll be really good. So, Jay, I did pick a bunch of upsets and I believe in some of them. I mean, I got a 14 seed winning a couple of twelves, so I got upsets everywhere. Do you, I know normally you believe in upsets. Do you see any specific ones that anybody you think could get to the second weekend?
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Bombas Voiceover
Oh, yeah, there, there are a few. But what I would say about upsets is if you're going to take a flyer on an upset, unless you really believe in a team and think, hey, they're, they're, they're on a heater, they're better, they're a second weekend team, what I would say is pick up sets where you think both the teams in that game are, are likely to lose the next game so it doesn't blow up your whole br. But I think VCU in the east has a very good chance to upset byu. BYU is really good. They can really shoot it. But VCU forces a lot of turnovers. The offensive rebound pretty well. They can create extra possessions for themselves. And then Ryan Odom, their coach, was the coach at UMBC when they beat Virginia, the first 16 to ever beat a 1. I think Akron's got a fair chance to beat Arizona and Akron is coached by John Gross. They're small, but they play up tempo. They can really shoot it. And they've won like 20 out of their last 21 games. The trendy pick is out of the south, which is UC San Diego against Michigan. UC San Diego is good. They, that's their first year of eligibility for the tournament. But it's such a trendy pick. I have to remind my friends that are thinking about it going, you know, the Michigan players have ears and they're hearing everybody pick UC San Diego. They're probably going to be ready for it. So if you think UC San Diego is better, then take them. If you think they're going to sneak up on them, they're probably not now. And then Utah State, I think has a fair shot in the midwest of beating UCLA. That's a 10, 7 game. I think the, the elevens, the tens and the twelves, there can be some upsets there, but it's probably going to wind up being somebody we're not talking about. You know, Lipscomb is going to win or Liberty is going to beat Oregon, something like that. Because the ones we're talking about, man, I'm telling you, those players are processing that and they're going to say, oh yeah, and they're going to be more prepared than perhaps if we'd all stayed silent on our upsets.
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Tony Kornheiser
We'll get you out of here on this. In my ear they say to Jay, please be quick on this. So I'm saying it. North Carolina on the court tonight in a play in against fellow 11 seed San Diego State. Would a win tonight justify the Tar Heels inclusion in the field or do you think it's justified without it?
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Bombas Voiceover
I don't think it's justified if they win or lose. I don't think anything's justified. It's justified based upon their record in the season. I don't think Carolina did quite enough relative, but. But it was in the range of reasonable. But if they do win, I think West Virginia has to drop their legal case.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah. Great legal case. Thank you, Jay, as always.
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Mike Wilbon
Thanks, Jay. Appreciate it.
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Tony Kornheiser
Let's take one last break. Still to come, Steelers star Cam Hayward has a message for Aaron Rodgers.
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Mike Wilbon
And the Sixers keep sputtering down the stretch. And now they got some really bad news.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, they shut down both you boys. Yeah, both you boys.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy time, people. Happy 61st birthday. Bonnie Blair. Probably the greatest American woman speed skater of all time. Blair won five Olympic gold medals. She won the 500 meters in 1988 in Calgary. She won the 500 again and the 1,000 meters in 1992 in Albertville. You were there?
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Mike Wilbon
Yes.
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Tony Kornheiser
She doubled up again in the 5001000 in 1994 in Lillehammer. You were there? I was there. Blair also won a bronze medal in the thousand back in Calgary. Wow. Blair had all the success while Dan Jansen was having all the heartache in Olympic speed skating in Calgary and Albertville. Jansen finally broke through with gold in the thousand in Lillehammer. Blair and Jansen trained together in West Allis, Wisconsin, as did all time great Eric Heiden.
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Mike Wilbon
Well, it seems like Blair and Haydn would be on the short list of greatest American Winter Olympians ever.
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Tony Kornheiser
Yeah, right.
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Mike Wilbon
The whole thing.
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Tony Kornheiser
That's a lot of gold medals.
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Mike Wilbon
A lot of medals.
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Tony Kornheiser
A lot of gold medals. Happy anniversary, Loyola Marymount. On this day 35 years ago, the 11 seeded Lions set the record in what is still the highest scoring game in NCAA tournament history, beating three seed and defending champion Michigan 149. 115. 149. Loyola coach Paul Westhead had an extraordinarily fast paced offense, encouraging players to shoot within 10 seconds of gaining possession. Plus they pressed on defense to force opponents into a frenzied pace. During the tournament, Loyola's Beau Kimball shot his first free throw of each game left handed, three in all to honor Hank Gathers, Loyola's great power forward, who had tragically passed away on the court some two weeks earlier in the West Coast Conference tournament.
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Mike Wilbon
Tony I covered for the Washington Post some of Loyola Marymount's games following that. They're among the most emotional sporting events I have ever attended. I will never forget them and what it felt like to sit there and watch watch Bo Kimball shoot those free throws right, left handed.
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Tony Kornheiser
Happy trails, Paul George the Sixers shut down your boy their wing for the rest of the season after he took injections in his left knee and adductor. I hope I pronounced that correctly. George averaged 16 points per game in his first season in Philly. That's his lowest output in a decade. He's about to turn 35 and he is owed more than $162 million over the next next three seasons. George joins Joel Embiid on the shelf at the end of a miserable campaign for Philly. The team is 22 games under.506 out of the play in and management has incentive to keep losing. It owes its first round draft choice to the Thunder unless it finishes in the top six picks in the draft.
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Mike Wilbon
Look, you know how much I like Paul George. This is no secret. You tease me about it all the time. I was one of those people a year ago chirping in his ear to go to Philly. I hope you go to Philly. I hope you go to Philly. And I know the injuries first to Embiid and then to him. It was a disaster of a season. I still wish for the great comeback for Paul George in Philly. Don't know if he'll be there long, but I hope that Paul George has a huge comeback season.
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Tony Kornheiser
There's no playoff for playoff p this year. Let's go to the big finish. The Heat have lost eight straight. Is there cause for concern?
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Mike Wilbon
Yeah, they're like tied with the Bulls I think for that 10th the play in and they can't even avoid them. And it's the first time they've ever lost eight straight under coach spo, Steelers defensive captain Cam Hayward said on his podcast of your boy Aaron Rodgers. Quote either you want to be a Steeler or you don't. Close quote My thoughts exactly. How about yours?
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Tony Kornheiser
You don't understand the drama that is Aaron Rodgers, the need to create that I don't understand.
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Mike Wilbon
Want the drama.
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Tony Kornheiser
I'm reading here Rose beat vinyl to win the first unrivaled title. Is that significant?
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Mike Wilbon
I'm sure for a lot of people it is. It's like the spring pro football. The xfl. I'm not watching. That's not me. Nor is the next item. The New York Golf Club made it into next week's TGL finals. You're invested, aren't you?
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Tony Kornheiser
I watch it. Am I invested? I'm thinking of calling a broker, but I'm not invested yet. Last one. 11 year olds. Paul schemes rookie card now above 750 grand at auction. Your reaction?
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Mike Wilbon
I hope it gets to a million. Well, who handles that? Who makes a decision? An 11 year old or your parents?
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Tony Kornheiser
Oh, no, not ultimately, no. You bring in a professional. We're out of time. We'll try and do better the next time. I'm Tony Corn.
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Mike Wilbon
I'm Mike Wilbon. Same time tomorrow, knuckleheads.
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Damian Lillard Voiceover
In case you didn't know, these young men are driven. They are prodigies, the savants, the ones we've been waiting for. Like Damian Lillard for instance. He doesn't seek guidance or mentorship. He's a leader. He isn't waiting for the baton to be passed to him. He's taking it for himself. He's relentless in a pursuit of greatness, always pushing to one up himself. He is accomplished, but far from satisfied. He embodies what it means to have an unstoppable drive and are shaking up the status quo in their community and beyond. And Damian Lillard drives a Toyota. A new generation of Toyota drivers are here and they want you to know one thing. You can't stop my drive.